Speaking as a former drug dealer, I would have left it in place so as to mislead police. For example, occasionally park for ten minutes near houses of prominent politicians.
I just pointed out the same thing two mins ago. Surveillance you know about can be a great asset. A known mole is an opportunity. To be able to feed the enemy information is priceless, provided you know what you are doing.
Personally, I don't care if it's labeled "by order of the POTUS", I would assume ownership of it, pry the device off, & smash it w/ a hammer. Then, if I'm questioned I'd demand a lawyer to be present before answering squat! There is precedent for an ownership argument just by the fact that whenever they find any sort of illegal contraband in any vehicle, the ownership is always the owner of the vehicle.
@FortyFive Nineteen11 Hey! Dont insult feed stock like that! 😁🗽🇺🇲 We are a very diverse culture. Most Americans are awesome but we have subsidized a lot of undesirables that's for sure.
If you are a woman and you need help DO NOT CALL THE POLICE! Because, when they finally show up never approach the drivers window to talk to them about the problem you are having, or the officer in the passenger seat will reach across the driver and shoot and kill you.
The fact that this had to go all the way to the Indiana Supreme Court is absurd. Every Judge who touched this case before it got to the Supreme court should be stripped of their robes.
@@LesDeplorables freight train maybe not. but if they are tracking you and think you are selling drugs or something then yeah putting it on a car bound for another city. or state. a car with another states licence plate. i'd feel bad for the poor guy tho. but maybehe could get money. just make it seem like and accident. or maybe even sell it to someone lol
Nothing, but police do that with anything, so it's a bit of an odd loophole to try to get someone on when you can literally just plant drugs on them. If they're able to plant that on his car, they could have taped something illegal to the spare tire or something then said "While attempting to install GPS tracker, x, y, and z were found." I mean, obviously less loop holes are better, but we still live in a police state where our "freedom" can be stripped from us at anytime regardless, unfortunately.
The search warrants would all be "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" and all the evidence in this case needs to be excluded. Either do police work right or suffer the consequences.
I watched a guy on my IR CCTV camera doing something at the rear of my car at 4am one morning. I have a wireless perimeter alarm that goes off in my hallway whenever anyone crosses over my sidewalk and heard it beep. I watched the guy on my camera and when he walked off, I watched him through my window walk a couple of houses down and get in the passenger seat of an SUV and it drove off. I went outside and found it stuck magnetically behind my back wheel on the body. Pried it off, saw what it was, and dropped it into my car seat. Next morning I get up, drive to a waffle house on I-20, grab a bite to eat and when I left, I stuck it to the little back blade of a Bobcat on a trailer with Mississippi plates. I lived in Texas.
You left off the recent use of trackers to steal automobiles by either tracking them back to the house to be stolen at night or tracking to a movie theatre or other venue where they know it will sit for a while. And even the police themselves warned people to be aware of unknown trackers placed on their vehicle.
Which is why the logical thing to do, for someone not criminal, to go to the next police station, if they find a tracker on their vehicle. They could also use it, to know, when nobody is home to commit burglary.
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 more like - You committed robbery - No they left it in my car, i found it, and wasn't sure what it is, so placed in a safe place to wait for the person who lost it comes to claim it.
The results for those who want to know: "The Supreme Court of Indiana suppressed all evidence resulting from search warrants obtained on the basis that the sheriff’s department concluded a suspect “stole” the GPS device being used to track him when it failed to transmit its location for 10 days." and "the Court characterized the actions of the officers in conducting the search based on the facts presented in this case as “reckless.” The Court explained “that applying the exclusionary rule here will deter similar reckless conduct in the future.”"
This is scary. Can they attach a tracker to a car without a court order? Calling it theft is absurd. I’m not happy dealer gets off and bothered by police action.
@@banditeastlick2471 Couple things, not sure about entering private property without a warrant. But it would be easy enough to surveil someone follow them when they go somewhere and then place the tracker on their vehicle once they've left their home and are no longer on private property. Additionally, police are allowed to go on to private property even enter a residence if they're in what's called hot pursuit, that is basically chasing someone who's just committed a crime. It's not like the cops have to stop and stand outside the door of someone's personal residence because they were chasing a robber or a killer and they ran into the front door or back door or any door of a private residence. Also, if there's an unmarked device on your car, unless you have first-hand knowledge I would have no clue what a GPS tracker looks like. I can imagine it would be some kind of round circle thing I have no idea.
Get a bus or cab to party supply store purchase helium balloons return to tracker attach tracker to new lighter than air conveyence. Proceed to public park and release.
I know a lady who was being harassed by police because the city of Fort Collins in Colorado was mad at her for things she was exposing. The Larimer County Sheriff's office placed the tracker on her car without a warrant. She took it to the Weld County sheriff who were able to trace it back to Larimer County sheriff.
actually you can send those judges back to england as thier appointed by a foriegn power. also look at the fine print on the contract the lawyers have to sign to become lawyers. they give up thier right to called us. citizens. and become english citizen.
@@markmiller4503 Vote as hard as you like, the vote counting machines were compromised from the start. You don't vote these Bastards in and you can't vote them out. Look up "Fractional voting magic"
@@MegaDavyk The computers are also made in China with extra chips in them to control the outcome. No paper trail, and then vote harvesting and dead people voting , and millions of illegal non-citizens voting and teens on the voting list and voters who vote more than once who take a bus to vote again, and again, etc, etc, etc. The criminals have overrun the system and will lie cheat and steal to get and keep power. The elections have been rigged for a very long time but now worse because of the computers. The people should fill out their vote at the Trump rally so they have a paper trail and true voting instead of a rigged system.
@@owenprince4823 That's a fantastic idea about people at Trump rallies submitting a paper ballot. You should contact the White House and tell them about it.
electronicsNmore, how corrupt people are, you mean. It’s not fair to the people in the country that do good to be placed in that statement. I get what you’re saying, and we do need to weed out this corruption, but we honestly can’t say it’s “the country”, because you and I know there are reasonable people here too, otherwise the country wouldn’t be where it is today. We got somewhere being honorable... if we can bring it all back, we can do more good! I’m with you that corruption must be stopped, but I can’t blame the whole country or the WHOLE system (some have too many loopholes), because there will always be those that want to bring it down for delusional reasons.
Our country is so corrupt, that most of the corrupt people don’t realize they are corrupt. The corruption is just how things are done, how hey were trained to do things.
Yeah you probably signed away your constitutional rights at the DMV .you told them you were a US resident instead of residing in America .make America great again and tell the US to f*** off
Years ago, I came home to find someone left junky old furniture in my backyard. I put it on the curb because trash pickup was the next morning. After the trash was picked up, I got a call from a relative who said it was antique furniture that she wanted me to store for her. She hadn’t left a note, there wasn’t a voicemail, and I didn’t even know she was in town. Did I steal her antiques? Her junk, that she didn’t take with her when she moved seven years prior, had worn out it’s welcome with the people she had entrusted it to. She had them dump it on my property and I treated it as abandoned property. How am I supposed to know if something in or on my car is not abandoned property?
Somebody needs to learn that old does not mean antique. If they were heirloom, fine, worth keeping, but just because something was bought decades ago doesn't make it inherently more valuable now. Antiques are rare, special, valuable, and historied. Without that, they're just old. Fiestaware? That's antique. The coffee table your great nanna bought from Sears in the 60s? That's just old. A Rolex from the 70s? Antique. The china cabinet your grandpa made in high school shop class? Old. That aside, she really should'a done this little thing called 'communicating'. I hear it's a rather useful practice that can aid someone in achieving desired results.
The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@BobMealing, I took an illegal wire tap up to the prosecutor's office and handed it in to him... Angry at my civil rights having been violated for so long, 30+ yrs. -- The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@Clarence Kayser google (or duckduckgo...) for "de-googling your phone" to even reverse THAT corporate (and cooperative with Biden's corrupt intel agencies) tracking device.
School bus, city bus, subway train, snowplow, neighboor’s car, pizza delivery guy, your ex’s car, the guy at work you don’t like who was promoted over you, your boss, a boat during boating season, the middle of the desert during s cross country trip, the middle of a small island in the middle of a lake that’s your favorite fishing spot. Possibilities are endless!
I agree 100% Paul!!! Anyone that attaches something on my property (without probable cause) then it becomes MY PROPERTY to do with any way I wish. Actually they have trespassed and defaced my property subject to lawsuit and damages..... including emotional STRESS and any other bullshit I can dream up before we go to court!!!
Not actually true. You are obligated to make a reasonable effort to notify the owner of any lost or mislaid property you find. That being said the tracker wasn't marked in any way, and the owner already had a pretty good idea who they needed to talk to to recover it.
Can I charge them rent for keeping it and mileage for the added fuel consumption it will require? What about the inconvenience of me having to work around it as I wash and maintain my car?
@@WorBlux Actually, it wouldn't be "lost or Mislaid" if it was attached to my property. Highly unlikely something would accidentally be stuck to the underside of my car.
I drive a semi for a living. The machine is inspected daily and from time to time, I find road debris caught up in the truck somewhere. Being a responsible and caring individual, I remove the debris and place it in the first available trash receptacle I find. And if the label on it that says,”Property of Blah Blah PD, if found, please call BR549” happens to be obscured by road dirt and road oil, I won’t be feeling an obligation to clean it off to read it because it was a foreign object stuck to my machine.
Ok maybe death sentences are a bit much here, if you recall drugs and a gun were in fact found in this P.O.S.' house, but clearly this was botched and unjust. Real justice would've had him convicted for the actual crimes he has committed (drugs and gun possession) while dismissing the bogus GPS theft charge.
@@DHFlip18 When you say POS, you're referring to the guy who was suspected of drug dealing initially? Or the cop who got a search warrant for "theft" and then violated someone's 4th amendment rights? Neither person is doing the right thing here, but one of them has an obligation to try to uphold the law and not manipulate it as they see fit.
@@alexandermaier8093 Initially I was referring to the drug dealer, though in this case the same term would apply to the cop. To be honest though, it always frustrated me that evidence could not be used against a criminal just because the it was obtained in a questionable manner. Like this case for instance: the drug dealer is clearly guilty of drug and gun possession; both are serious violations, but because this evidence wasn't collected properly it must likely won't be able to be used against him and he'll just walk free and clear. I'm not suggesting the 4th doesn't matter, one the contrary I'm a firm believer, but there are times I wish common sense would apply instead.
It's possible he DID clean up his home and barn [to the best he could remember]. I've known someone involved in similar activities. After this person quit such activities, he found stashes here and there, which he long forgot about. This happens all of the time, especially when an unexpected visitor comes to visit and had to find a quick location to hide his goods [not so goods]. Just my 2 ¢'s.
Live in Canada and I actually found something on my car years ago. It was in the wheel well. Fairly large then so much harder to hide in those days. It was electronic in nature and wasn’t there the last time I washed my car. My wife and daughter were out of town for a week visiting relatives. No idea who put it there. I am not a criminal and the worst I have done is speeding tickets when I was a teen. I removed it and contemplated a long time what to do with it. Decided to just throw it in the garbage. I was a businessman, the only thing I could think was some sort of corporate espionage but that didn’t make sense either as my companies were doing well but just 3 small companies that payed me well but were no threat to anyone. Still don’t know to this day who put it there or why. Never found anything else since? That was about 25 years ago.
@CharmsDad Clearly, you're not a constitutional attorney. Your right to confront a witness against you applies to a court case. You don't have the right to confront witnesses in an investigation. It would be impossible to conduct undercover investigations if the target knows what everybody says about them.
@@matthewgaines10 True. But if it's used as evidence, you get to question the "witness" (i.e. "rat") [this is the whole point of witness protection: because these people MUST appear in court, they need new identities have any illusion of security.]
Matthew Gaines Your ridiculous response makes it clear you have no clue regarding the Constitution, how court cases progress, or what type of legal challenges can be brought in court.
I feel like this is like putting an envelope full of money in someone's mailbox and then claiming they're harboring stolen property because they brought the envelope inside.
Lol, even worse. They attached it to his car, already effectively on his property. This would be the equivalent of slipping the envelope under their door then claiming theft.
@@wilneal8015 This is true. This law was implemented I think in the 1960s when credit card companies used to send out unsolicited credit cards, people would use them and then get stuck for the bill. The law was passed to stop this practice, it worked.
As Steve alluded to the “anonymous tip” and the securing of a warrant…how convenient, i sure wish they were required to have the warrant hearing recorded especially if its anonymous and the level of scrutiny of that informant.
It's an object stuck under your car. Could be a bomb. I say it needs to be immediately removed and put in a safe place- buried deep in the ground, in a river- where it wouldn't kill anyone.
Most of these criminals don't have garages. They park their cars outside. So if you're going to be a criminal, you must always park in a secured garage. Then politicians will make garages illegal...
babyfarck Mcgeezazkz A co-worker of mine has been dealing with the consequences his actions over two years ago, when he was awakened by a strange noise in the wee hours of the night. Thinking the noise came from his garage, he went silently out his back door to investigate, grabbing a shovel nearby. Two dark figures rounded the corner just as he did the same - and reflexively he swung that shovel at his head with all his might. The other man took off running, apparently straight to the police station - where BOTH of them worked! Of course they charged the homeowner with assault on a LEO (they never ID’d themselves!) Nothing ever came of those charges, but he and his wife have been harassed by both county and municipal officers ever since. Not fair, but he is looking for employment far away from our area, hoping to relocate his family “out of sight” and hopefully out of mind.
Law Enforcement in the US seems to be on a constant crusade to deprive the citizenry of our rights as laid out in the Constitution. We are truly and desperately in need of law enforcement reform.
Most of my encounters with LEO'S has gone one of 2 ways. I remind them of their OATHS OF OFFICE and if they won't uphold their OATHS then they must remove the weapons belt badge and Blouse because they are nothing more than DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Most walk away and leave me alone. Those very few bad LEO'S suddenly start hearing dispatch yell at them that they are stepping on my Constitutional rights by abuse of AUTHORITY under the color of the law. Always video the situation and call dispatch before the LEO starts talking so that they record the incident and can question the magistrate as necessary if they are unfamiliar with a law you just quoted!
That's how they train them today. You see, buried Deep in the Patriot Act is the suspension of the Constitution AND the Bill of Rights. So you can say that, according to the Constitution, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable AND all our elected officials AND Law Enforcement AND Government Agents ie FBI CIA NSA etc are Traitors. OR You just say Oh Well, We're scre wed. Take Care All
The car must have been quite old, cause any new car (at least 2012, I think 2006) can be tracked without an extra tracker. My Conspiracy theory about why they did the ash for clunkers was to help get rid of as many of non factory installed trackers as possible.
What he should have done. Get to a police station and press charges against unknown, for illegally tracking him (Citizen). As a criminal, it's obviously better not to tip them off, about the fact you know they track you. Over here, i would be more worried, that the tracker was from organized crime than the police. they don't do that yet (to my knowledge) but they do shadow people, so they know when to commit burglaries without being disturbed.
What really bugs me is that there is an obvious lack of mens rea in removing a suspicious object from your property. The police are attributing malicious intent to an otherwise natural reaction.
Always use an EMF detector, only $15. Better yet, put it on a car after following them home from the employee-parking-lot at the local courthouse...a judge or prosecutor may get tracked. Tell police you'd like investigation on why the prosecutor, clerk, or other stole it from you!! And that you'll get FBI to investigation local thieves being protected by corrupt police, if they'd prosecute you, but not local "old boys network VIP's" for the same set of circumstances.
The "vehicle" you bought with Federal Reserve Notes? Then technically it's not yours. Stop paying the taxes and then tell me you own it. Is it not written "Jesus asked “Who's image and inscription are on the coin?” The answer? “Caesar's”. Jesus then tells them to “Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar.”? They are "DEAD" entities". Living can not OWN anything dead. (necrophilia) Yea it gets that deep.
This happened to individual I knew they put a tracker on a commercial truck. He was the owner of the business and it was only one truck. He thinks they may have put a tracker on the truck by accident so when he went into the police department and ask them they pretended not to know anything about it. He pulled a tracker off the vehicle. He carefully bubble, wrapped and placed in a package and ship it to New York. He was currently living in Chicago.
There is a rise of predators using tracking devices, especially air tags and the like, to follow the movements and daily habits of their potential victims. Anything that would have set a legal precedent requiring a person to leave a device on their car on the chance that it *might* belong to law enforcement would have been dangerous indeed.
Indeed, what might have been fun is to park up somewhere out of the way, take it off and drop it in a layby before driving on a little way then calling bomb disposal and telling them something fell off your car and you think it might have been a bomb. If you're lucky they'll controlled explosion it, telling the police to go talk to bomb disposal about what happened to the thing on your car would be priceless.
Cops misusing department resources to stalk people has also bee a thing for decades. Yeah, I'd be ripping it off and leaving it on the kerb way away from home.
Right you are. Used to be... would be burglars had to case a neighborhood. With an air tag [or similar device] they can go home, play video games and look at the vehicle movement logs a week later to determine repeatable/common time frames of absence.
When I lived in a far northern state I found that the police had gifted me with a tracker on my car and it ended up going across the Canadian border on an over the road truck.
That is exactly what the US Supreme Court ruled. They place it on your car, they have "gifted" it to you. It is your property, not theirs, to do with as you please. The police can't claim theft as it is no longer their property.
In my opinion if you're concealing your property on/in someone else's property without them knowing, you're kind of giving up any right to claim theft. They don't know why it's there or where it came from and should have every right to take it off and dispose of it (or hold it somewhere safe in case someone comes asking for it if they feel generous).
I spent 2 years in Iraq and I guarantee you I find an object on my vehicle that I didn't put on there I'm calling the police and declaring an emergency and I'm going to claim that there is a bomb attached to my vehicle. And no I'm not joking and the slightest bit to try to be sensational. As I said I spent two years on Iraq and I've seen the results of bombs that are placed on vehicles. And if there are no markings on this thing And I feel stupid enough to take it off myself I will destroy it. That is insane to think that they can just arbitrarily attach a device to my vehicle. No this is not a good thing and yes it is difficult for the police but that's the nature of the beast: You have to prove that I have done a criminal act I don't have to prove that I'm not a criminal.
Yes, if I ever find one, I'll be calling 911 to report a possible explosive device is attached to my vehicle, and the bomb squad needs to come remove it. Good thinking.
Steven Wilgus did you know this device is on your car as well, Trump had it taken off air force one, it’s the size of a quarter, it’ll crash your car by computer at another location, this is what happened to micheal hastings and Paul Walker/RIP men
Cop's are stripping us of our rights, stomping them to the ground! And doing a little 💃 , knowing that the judge/policy makers or who the fk ever can get away with it. Fken pigs
I've been though this situation and was told by my attorney it's illegal to remove one I had found on my vehicle that a private investigator put on it. I took it off and put it on a semi trailer.
It's NOT illegal to remove it. It's illegal to put one on a vehicle YOU don't own. If you wife was on the title with you to the vehicle, that's the only person outside of law enforcement who can legally put a tracking device on your vehicle. Source: GF had a stalker that harrassed us over a 5 state area and talked to a lot of lawyers and DA's. Circa 2014-2015
A question. I'm no lawyer, but if an unidentified person leaves an unidentifiable object on a person's property, how can it be theft if the property owner removes it? If someone leaves a cell phone in a taxi, is it theft if the taxi driver moves the phone to a lost and found? If a person purchases a home and later finds a can of money in the yard, they didn't steal the money? The money was there. If a person purchased a car that, unknown to them contained a tracker, the tracker would belong to them. If you throw away an item, on the ground, or hopefully in the trash, it no longer belongs to you and can be recovered by the authorities or presumably someone else. By the same standard, would this be theft? Another thought. Does this mean, if some unknown person sets up a camera in your yard or in your home, pointed at your bedroom or bathroom, would it be theft if you removed it? This is a crazy expansion of property rights.
Actually, the quote is "I would rather a thousand guilty men go free, than one innocent man convicted." That was said by John Addams, when he defended the British troops after the Boston Massacre in 1774.
A co worker of mine was going thure a nastey divorce. he found a gps tracker on his car..... We put it on a 18 wheeler trailer at a rest stop..... wander how long the pi flowed it
Robert - unlikely that anyone was actually following it. Often these types of trackers upload their the data to a website that is accessed to see the travel history.
Ion - garbage truck would only be in your area one day of the week, and only for a short period of that day. A pizza delivery car from a local pizza shop would be ideal, as the area they cover is pretty contained. Just remember to order a pizza every few days so the tracker shows up at your house once in a while.
Neighbor bought a used car & while changing oil found a tracker. He wasn't sure what it was at 1st & when he found out took it off. The county sheriff said he could've gotten into trouble. His reply was bring it on!
The simple answer in the future is to remove the device keeping it in the car and driving to the police station nearest. Take it inside to the reception desk and say I found this under my car in my driveway and it is not mine. It has no name on it so I am turning into the lost and found for you to hold for the owner. The statement it was found on the ground under the car relieves the car owner of being charged with removing it and by giving it back to the police and getting a receipt for it you are stopping them dead in their tracks from using it as a basis for further exploration and warrant applications. Put it back in their hands and say "Caught you" without legal risk.
So, if I spot officers following me, and I take 2 rights and a left to lose the tail, did I obstruct the investigation? Why don't they get a warrant to force me to allow an officer to sit in my car and live on my couch?
POLICE are a joke, enforcing corporate/Vatican laws (admiralty law) on the public and not common law. You trick the public into your jurisdiction without their knowledge. Thats why POLICE is always spelt in ALL UPPERCASE otherwise known as Dog-Latin, a false fictional text. The same way you write tickets, in ALL UPPERCASE, you work off deceit and lies. You are the problem. Dog Latin "The Latin of illiterate persons; Latin words put together on the English grammatical system." - Blacks Law Dictionary.
My cousin was a lieutenant in a police dept. Cousin claimed disability, neurological problems, couldnt qualify at gun range, pain, numbness in hands. Damn internal affairs put a camera in her neighbors tree.
@@mist3rpink838 The main reason tickets are written in upper case is probably because peoples handwriting is so bad, I have seen writing in lowercase that was so bad you can't understand it .
When you find someone’s bug, if you are smart, it becomes a “double agent” allowing one to feed the bug owner whatever crap one wants the bug owner to know. One can have all kinds of fun.
I bought a 2013 Nissan Morano that used to be a rental car. I found an antenna wire leading up inside the panel between the driver's side window and the windshield, along the top of the "ceiling" and into an antenna module mounted behind my rear view mirror. I took it apart, looked up the part number of the module, and verified that it was indeed an antenna module. Being an electronics tech helped. It was easy to see what this was. I honestly don't know if it was a GPS or not, but there is no reason for my car to be talking to anyone. I removed the device and cut the antenna wire as close to my dash as possible.
@@wizardsuth i looked up the part number on the antenna's circuit board and it came up as a GPS antenna. The cable ran along the top of the cabin down under the dash. That's as far as I traced it before cutting it.
@@scorchedearth1451 yep. But I guarantee if you just ask 5 of your neighbors, at least 3 won't have a clue as to what you are saying because they don't know the difference. Nor do they pull themselves away from entertainment(FBsports, tv,gaming) long enough to care.
Whoah! whoah there! They absolutely need this *control* for YOUR own good ... and for YOUR own safety. Now, please ignore any black wireless modules we stick on your cars ... and soon homes; also ignore our surveillance drones. And also ignore those road towers with face-recognition cams that we are [experimentally] erecting in large cities near you ... yeah, those traffic intersection cams just didn't cut it for us.
The point that is missing - a court order / warrant is necessary and a tracker cannot be just thrown on a car without judicial oversight A criminal involved in criminal behavior should be scared. If you’re not committing a crime - this will NEVER impact you
Sean Wilhelm it is crazy..me? i would stick it to a honey badger...or a rattle snake...something interesting...or stick it to their sergeants vehicle...
That’s a good point. If there is no property label on it, you may assume it’s a gift from an anonymous donor. Just like those advertisers who send junk mail with some cheap “gift” inside.
Here is an idea, if they place it on say your bumper wrap(the pretty painted part that's plastic) what's to say it wasn't scuffed so it was removed and replaced with said tracker still attached and is now in a shop, junkyard, trash or corner of the garage?
Retired NJ Attorney here. Somehow bumped into your channel and am enjoying the hell out of your practical approach and acknowledgment that litigation is incredibly costly, time consuming, and seldom if ever satisfying.
How about removing the device and taking it to the police or maybe the FBI? "I would like to press charges on who ever attached this tracking device to my personal property. Can you please locate the owner of the device and move forward with charges?" Stand up for your Constitutional rights!
What rights were violated? In 2012 the Supreme court (of the US) ruled police can't attach a tracking device without a warrant first. They got the warrant before attaching the device. The guy who owned the car never contested the validity of this warrant. Only the warrant that was issued afterwards for theft when the device went dark for a week. 100% legal with a warrant for the police to attach a tracking device to a car, just like with a warrant it is legal to wiretap.
@@Phoneyjoker The tracking device was not identifiable as police property. It is therefore reasonable for the car's owner to remove it; it didn't belong on the car, from his point of view. The police used the circumstance of the tracking device being out of contact and then back in contact as an excuse to apply for multiple search warrants on suspicion of theft of police property. But without any identifying information on the tracker, there can be no _intent_ to "steal government property" or whatever the charge was. Therefore, any evidence obtained by said warrants is inadmissible in court. "The guy who owned the car never contested the validity of this warrant." Please. You think they told him about how they were tracking his vehicle with a GPS device?
@@OgamiItto70 You clearly have taken my post out of context. OP contended that the man's rights were violated by a GPS tracker being attached to his vehicle, even though the police had a valid warrant. Let me clarify my response "what rights were violated (by the police obtaining a lawful warrant and attaching a GPS tracker to his vehicle lawfully). I assumed the later part of my response was inferred because OP never mentioned the unlawful obtaining of a search warrant based on the unjustifiable charge of "theft by removal". Keep in mind the higher court(s) never ruled that the warrant obtained to install the GPS tracker was illegal/invalid. They only ruled the subsequent warrants which were initially based upon the concept of "theft by removal" to be invalid. I am not in any way arguing that any of the warrants starting with the one obtained by the contention that "removal is theft" is valid in any, way, shape or form.
@@OgamiItto70 To be even more specific the OP posted ""I would like to press charges on who ever attached this tracking device to my personal property. Can you please locate the owner of the device and move forward with charges?" Stand up for your Constitutional rights!- I am asking how the police lawfully obtaining a warrant to attach the GPS tracking device was a violation of the man's constitutional rights as the OP asserted. Hint, the answer is it is not illegal to obtain a warrant to attach the GPS device, and there is no evidence in this case that the GPS device was attached illegally, of the warrant to attach the GPS was unlawful/invalid.
If someone leaves a flyer under my windshield wiper, am I committing theft if I throw it away? Generally, such flyers have phone numbers on them. Am I obliged to call, or can I just throw it away?
@624TG i really wish you would stand but i dont think the left have ahny bones in their bodies to allow for them to, if not the lack of bones then the lack of brains and balls are a constant plague to your kind. You love to speak but will never act.
At least most Republicans aren't trying to take your right to defend yourself and dismantle the second amendment. You progressives amaze me. You have this huge issue with police (as do i) but you're okay with government gun control. 🤔
@Jim Alley you're one of those people who thinks putting a vinyl sticker saying "NO GUNS ALLOWED" on the window of your business is gonna keep you from getting robbed too, aren't you?
It's old tech, but when they put a physical bug on a landline without informing you are you allowed to remove it if you found it? It's my phone. My car. Something attached to my property is forfeited by the owner in my opinion. That includes police unless the warrant is one where they may inform me and compel me to leave it like when one is compelled to wear an ankle monitor. That should also require the police to meet a higher evidentiary standard when requesting that I be compelled to allow such monitoring of my life.
Or take it off, open it up and soak in a bucket of water for some time. Make a nick in it to identify and put back where found. It's owners will go crazy. Check if replaced - rinse and repeat.
Though it's not likely in this case,my first thought was that the PD got mad that he took the tracker off, got a warrant and planted evidence in the guys residence. Because: 1.who would be stupid enough to leave drugs in the house after possibly learning that you're being tracked. Unless:2. The story left out that he already knew he was being tracked,which if he did, should have got rid of the drugs, unless he did and 3: The police planted the evidence. It wouldn't be the first time.
Several years ago I bought a used truck from a major dealership. I was installing some accessories and noticed a wire coming out of the fuse box. I then opened the fuse box and found a tracker. I removed it and put it out with the trash.
It's always amazed me that people will fight tooth and nail to preserve their rights under the second amendment but are largely apathetic to the constant erosion of our rights under the 4th and 5th, and to a lesser extent, the 1st.
@@xaiyab6892 agreed, but let's stop allowing bullshit Patriot Act type legislation to pass. Preventing unreasonable search and seizure is so fundamental to our rights
The 2a has been corroded more, and for longer. Nearly a century of attack has woken the people up on it. People are waking up to the abuses on the others. Hopefully they don't take too long.
Wondering how you felt about, when removing it, attaching it to one of their police cars? Kind of like giving it back. That way it shouldn't be stealing.
I hope you do a follow up when the ruling is made. This will be an interesting one to see which way the courts rule. I'm forever a cynic so I'm guessing they will rule against the common sense approach and do what serves law enforcement not Joe Q Public.
@@ronaldknight9974 Maybe you missed this part of the video. They got a search warrant for the guys property to find the missing tracker. If they don't find it that's great, but you still might have cops busting down your door looking for it. Not worth the risk. Probably a good idea to call the cops and tell them to come get their tracker and stop doing illegal stuff for a while.
I hope a follow up is done as well hoping that any law against Joe public in that state doesn't migrate to my state anytime soon. Even though I'm a law abiding citizen. This is one slippery slope.
Isn't it "a thing" where they're used by criminals to follow someone back to their house to later come rob them? If I found one, I'd take it off and watch for a possible home intrusion. I didn't hear about this precedent mentioned.
Went to post office....was close to police station.... placed their own tracker on their code enforcement vehicle. Now they have a actual criminal to follow around. 🤔😂
Better yet wait for a court date and call it in parked next to the courthouse. I wonder how happy the judges who had to drop everything and evacuate the building for hours would be with the police when they found out it was a tracker
Then he just gets his buddy to swear a false affidavit for criminal slander and talks the county attorney into prosecuting you for a nonexistent crime.
They have tapped my phone, tracking on my car and hacked my email account, messing with bill payment, insurance payment, made me look like a dishonest person. Power that be
@Mykel Hardin Oh, do tell us. I would enjoy being enlightened on the subject. And as a plus, please define the word Freedom. Get that one right and I will honor you here and forever.
My question Steve is 'If the police get a warrant to tap your phones: cell, home phone or laptop lines, and you stop using them because you might suspect a wiretap, or you destroy your phone or cut the phone wires to your house, buy a burner phone: have you then obstructed a investigation? Can they now search you house, car, property, or business because the electronic devices is no longer sending requested data, have been destroyed or have been removed from your person?
Years ago, before GPS was common and before we all knew what GPS meant (and pre-public internet), someone installed a GPS in my son's car behind the radio. Installed by attaching it to the wiring and causing the radio to crackle! His radio faceplate didn't look right so he opened it up to figure out the problem. That's when we found the black, 8" brick jammed in with his radio. We uninstalled it and tried to find out what it was. It sat in my office until I eventually threw it away. We had no idea where it came from, or why. Now we figure police put it in his car when it was impounded for parking in a no parking spot. The car was a black 280 ZX. When we had gone to the impound lot, they sent us to the police department to pick up the car. That was really strange. Anyway, it must not have been put there legally because no one ever asked him or us about their GPS. If they messed with his car to get it back, they were probably stunned to discover it was gone. LOL Thank goodness this was 20+ years ago so the statute of limitations will have run out if removing it was illegal. But, the car didn't belong to whomever put the GPS in it; it wasn't marked except with GPS and a serial number; my son didn't put it in there and we removed it from my son's property. If someone installs something in my car, I'm going to deem it abandoned and it becomes my property.
About ten years ago, a guy I knew had bought a car from one of those shitty road side tote the note used car dealers. He was late on his payment one day and the car would not start. Later on he consulted his mechanic and the mechanic let him know it was not advisable to remove it till the note was paid in full.
@@derekcolvin9944 My son's car was paid off long before that thing was put in it. The crackling noise is what caused him to try to fix the radio and find it. The radio worked fine before it was installed and fine once removed, too. If I found one today, I'd do the same as back then.
I have a black sports car myself. I've had it and similar cars for many years. Cops like to tag them for speeding, even if you aren't... I suspect the police may have thought your kid could be a drug dealer and wanted to see if he ended up at houses or locations that they knew were hotbeds of drug activity. Black sports cars spook cops and sometimes other people in iffy neighborhoods. IMO the cops were playing the odds to see what they might find (a pattern of travel) to build a case or support one. I always wanted a ZX... I'm not a drug dealer or user though, just a lifelong admirer of long-hood, two-seater, low-slung cars
and if they show up with the bomb squad and find out it's just a GPS tracker the police will never admit to them putting it there. They will just say they are taking it for evidence and will investigate...
If you find a gps on your car find your closest Dea vehicle and plant it on that car and they will start thinking they are being followed by the suspect
Maybe you could do a segment explaining the authority under which police are allowed to tamper with someone’s car in the first place. Do they need a warrant for that? If they do, why don’t they have to present the warrant like in most other cases? Wouldn’t this fall under the justification of a fisa court, since they are essentially spying on citizens on domestic soil? Basically...how is any of this legal?
It would be one thing to me if they put a battery operated battery pack tracker on my car but if they're cutting wires and siphoning power can that be part of the warrant? Can the police walk up to my house and cut into my service so they can power their surveillance of me? What if they make a mistake in my car burns up or fails to run because of their actions whose liable for that
Speaking as a former drug dealer, I would have left it in place so as to mislead police. For example, occasionally park for ten minutes near houses of prominent politicians.
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I just pointed out the same thing two mins ago. Surveillance you know about can be a great asset. A known mole is an opportunity. To be able to feed the enemy information is priceless, provided you know what you are doing.
Mark Read Pickens...Why not just stick it on a police car...???
@@statinskill Unfortunately, the Trump administration has arrested Chinese spys, instead of feeding them worthless misinformation.
@@outdoorsguy Unfortunately, you are talking out of your ass about things you don't fully understand.
Requiring someone to keep a tracking device is awfully close to forcing him to testify against himself.
@Quentin Styger probably
@Quentin Styger testifying against yourself is the fifth
You could argue for the fourth Amendment unreasonable search and seizure though too
Personally, I don't care if it's labeled "by order of the POTUS", I would assume ownership of it, pry the device off, & smash it w/ a hammer. Then, if I'm questioned I'd demand a lawyer to be present before answering squat!
There is precedent for an ownership argument just by the fact that whenever they find any sort of illegal contraband in any vehicle, the ownership is always the owner of the vehicle.
that's ok, thankfully for our benign government overlords, "awfully close" only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and airstrikes in syria.
The fact that this is even a conversation means we have a problem.
@FortyFive Nineteen11 Hey! Dont insult feed stock like that! 😁🗽🇺🇲 We are a very diverse culture. Most Americans are awesome but we have subsidized a lot of undesirables that's for sure.
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@@lionheart6729 Rise of the Warrior Cop
If you are a woman and you need help DO NOT CALL THE POLICE! Because, when they finally show up never approach the drivers window to talk to them about the problem you are having, or the officer in the passenger seat will reach across the driver and shoot and kill you.
Ditto
The fact that this had to go all the way to the Indiana Supreme Court is absurd. Every Judge who touched this case before it got to the Supreme court should be stripped of their robes.
maybe their underwear and socks too
Y'all misspelled "life".
@@bobbydowling4263 That alone would be a level 6 Felony. Indecent Exposure.
I say if they stuck it on your car, it's not theft, they literally gave it to you...besides your tax dollars paid for it...
Very good point...
I like that logic :-)
so esentially they forced you to pay for something that you did not need. sounds like government is a scam and a gangster organisation
@@LesDeplorables freight train maybe not. but if they are tracking you and think you are selling drugs or something then yeah putting it on a car bound for another city. or state. a car with another states licence plate. i'd feel bad for the poor guy tho.
but maybehe could get money. just make it seem like and accident. or maybe even sell it to someone lol
Don't keep it, remove it and place it on another car.
What's to stop the police from placing it, removing it themselves, claiming the suspect removed it and then obtaining the warrant over "theft"?
Nothing, but police do that with anything, so it's a bit of an odd loophole to try to get someone on when you can literally just plant drugs on them. If they're able to plant that on his car, they could have taped something illegal to the spare tire or something then said "While attempting to install GPS tracker, x, y, and z were found."
I mean, obviously less loop holes are better, but we still live in a police state where our "freedom" can be stripped from us at anytime regardless, unfortunately.
You're hired!
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Nothing. Which is why this whole thing is ridiculous.
The search warrants would all be "Fruit of the Poisonous Tree" and all the evidence in this case needs to be excluded. Either do police work right or suffer the consequences.
I watched a guy on my IR CCTV camera doing something at the rear of my car at 4am one morning. I have a wireless perimeter alarm that goes off in my hallway whenever anyone crosses over my sidewalk and heard it beep. I watched the guy on my camera and when he walked off, I watched him through my window walk a couple of houses down and get in the passenger seat of an SUV and it drove off. I went outside and found it stuck magnetically behind my back wheel on the body. Pried it off, saw what it was, and dropped it into my car seat. Next morning I get up, drive to a waffle house on I-20, grab a bite to eat and when I left, I stuck it to the little back blade of a Bobcat on a trailer with Mississippi plates. I lived in Texas.
Well dam... some spy shit going on at your house! lol IR CCTV surveillance, wireless perimeter alarms... Whatdya got going on over there??😅
I'll take stories that never happened for 500.
Now I know what to do thank you.
You manufactured this story just to justify all the paranoia devices you installed
Tell me more about this wireless perimeter alarm. I’ve been wanting one of these to alert to bad guys approaching, or really just anyone.
You left off the recent use of trackers to steal automobiles by either tracking them back to the house to be stolen at night or tracking to a movie theatre or other venue where they know it will sit for a while. And even the police themselves warned people to be aware of unknown trackers placed on their vehicle.
Which is why the logical thing to do, for someone not criminal, to go to the next police station, if they find a tracker on their vehicle. They could also use it, to know, when nobody is home to commit burglary.
@@beyondEV that's not the logical thing to do. You may be coerced into incriminating yourself for something you didn't do.
The police "gave" him the tracker by placing it on his property. How can a person "steal" an item that was voluntarily "given" to him?
- You comited robbery !
- No sir, the clerck "gave" me property of the cash by placing it into my bag
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 more like
- You committed robbery
- No they left it in my car, i found it, and wasn't sure what it is, so placed in a safe place to wait for the person who lost it comes to claim it.
@@cronobactersakazakii5133 you isn't too bright are you
Les Hicks *And* you don't even *know* he/they gave it to you?
I heard of someone mailing one across the country.
The results for those who want to know:
"The Supreme Court of Indiana suppressed all evidence resulting from search warrants obtained on the basis that the sheriff’s department concluded a suspect “stole” the GPS device being used to track him when it failed to transmit its location for 10 days."
and
"the Court characterized the actions of the officers in conducting the search based on the facts presented in this case as “reckless.” The Court explained “that applying the exclusionary rule here will deter similar reckless conduct in the future.”"
Thanks, I came to this page looking for the update!
Captian or Captain - That gives me hope.
Sounds about right
This is scary. Can they attach a tracker to a car without a court order? Calling it theft is absurd. I’m not happy dealer gets off and bothered by police action.
@@banditeastlick2471 Couple things, not sure about entering private property without a warrant. But it would be easy enough to surveil someone follow them when they go somewhere and then place the tracker on their vehicle once they've left their home and are no longer on private property. Additionally, police are allowed to go on to private property even enter a residence if they're in what's called hot pursuit, that is basically chasing someone who's just committed a crime.
It's not like the cops have to stop and stand outside the door of someone's personal residence because they were chasing a robber or a killer and they ran into the front door or back door or any door of a private residence. Also, if there's an unmarked device on your car, unless you have first-hand knowledge I would have no clue what a GPS tracker looks like. I can imagine it would be some kind of round circle thing I have no idea.
Just stick it on a semi-truck heading out of town.
On a train or plane
Haha, that's a good way to get in a fight with a trucker! Or maybe you could pay a guy to play "pass it along". 😂
.... preferably with Alaska plates on it !.
Get a bus or cab to party supply store purchase helium balloons return to tracker attach tracker to new lighter than air conveyence. Proceed to public park and release.
I would leave it in the driveway during heavy rain. "Oops, it must have fallen off!"
I know a lady who was being harassed by police because the city of Fort Collins in Colorado was mad at her for things she was exposing. The Larimer County Sheriff's office placed the tracker on her car without a warrant. She took it to the Weld County sheriff who were able to trace it back to Larimer County sheriff.
And what judge is signing these warrants!? Zero consequences for cops. Even less for corrupt judges.
hippo potamus a Democrat im sure
actually you can send those judges back to england as thier appointed by a foriegn power. also look at the fine print on the contract the lawyers have to sign to become lawyers. they give up thier right to called us. citizens. and become english citizen.
make a claim on the judges bond
@@nathandean1687 Since the US became a debt corp for England after civil war debts
how bout them DAs who withhold exculpatory evidence and perjure themselves...
30 years ago a retired judge told me stay out of the court system. It's crooked as hell and you will never win.
That is truly depressing to hear.
@stuart johnson yeah if we just would vote harder..
@@markmiller4503 Vote as hard as you like, the vote counting machines were compromised from the start. You don't vote these Bastards in and you can't vote them out. Look up "Fractional voting magic"
@@MegaDavyk The computers are also made in China with extra chips in them to control the outcome. No paper trail, and then vote harvesting and dead people voting , and millions of illegal non-citizens voting and teens on the voting list and voters who vote more than once who take a bus to vote again, and again, etc, etc, etc. The criminals have overrun the system and will lie cheat and steal to get and keep power. The elections have been rigged for a very long time but now worse because of the computers. The people should fill out their vote at the Trump rally so they have a paper trail and true voting instead of a rigged system.
@@owenprince4823 That's a fantastic idea about people at Trump rallies submitting a paper ballot. You should contact the White House and tell them about it.
When I hear cases like this, it reminds me of how corrupt our country is.
electronicsNmore, how corrupt people are, you mean. It’s not fair to the people in the country that do good to be placed in that statement. I get what you’re saying, and we do need to weed out this corruption, but we honestly can’t say it’s “the country”, because you and I know there are reasonable people here too, otherwise the country wouldn’t be where it is today. We got somewhere being honorable... if we can bring it all back, we can do more good! I’m with you that corruption must be stopped, but I can’t blame the whole country or the WHOLE system (some have too many loopholes), because there will always be those that want to bring it down for delusional reasons.
Corruption rules.
Our country is so corrupt, that most of the corrupt people don’t realize they are corrupt. The corruption is just how things are done, how hey were trained to do things.
Yeah you probably signed away your constitutional rights at the DMV .you told them you were a US resident instead of residing in America .make America great again and tell the US to f*** off
electronicsNmore our country is not corrupt, only some individuals . Your hatred is mis directed. Stop hating the greatest nation ever to exist,
Years ago, I came home to find someone left junky old furniture in my backyard. I put it on the curb because trash pickup was the next morning. After the trash was picked up, I got a call from a relative who said it was antique furniture that she wanted me to store for her. She hadn’t left a note, there wasn’t a voicemail, and I didn’t even know she was in town.
Did I steal her antiques?
Her junk, that she didn’t take with her when she moved seven years prior, had worn out it’s welcome with the people she had entrusted it to. She had them dump it on my property and I treated it as abandoned property.
How am I supposed to know if something in or on my car is not abandoned property?
You are not in the wrong. Your relative should have asked your permission before doing that and shouldn't be surprised by the outcome.
Drive the tracker to your local truckstop and find a rig doing coast to coast freight.
good answer!!à
What s confused post between beginning and end contradictory
Somebody needs to learn that old does not mean antique. If they were heirloom, fine, worth keeping, but just because something was bought decades ago doesn't make it inherently more valuable now. Antiques are rare, special, valuable, and historied. Without that, they're just old. Fiestaware? That's antique. The coffee table your great nanna bought from Sears in the 60s? That's just old. A Rolex from the 70s? Antique. The china cabinet your grandpa made in high school shop class? Old.
That aside, she really should'a done this little thing called 'communicating'. I hear it's a rather useful practice that can aid someone in achieving desired results.
"You're under no obligation to leave the device on your car, BUT if you take it off it's theft". That statement is contradictory.
The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@BobMealing, I took an illegal wire tap up to the prosecutor's office and handed it in to him... Angry at my civil rights having been violated for so long, 30+ yrs.
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The Tracker can only remain 28 days, by Federal Supreme Court ruling, and the tax records show how long it has been on the vehicle. Do no remove it, have an attorney sweep the vehicle, find it, and file suit. The longer it has been on it, the more money you will get in punitive damages. The law enforcement also can not leave 'On Star' on the vehicle, and use it as a tracker, as stated in the Fed Sup Ct. Do remove it, but first have an attorney document it, pull the tax records to prove how long it has been on the vehicle, then file suit. Again, no law enforcement agency can leave a GPS tracker on one's vehicle over 28 days. Noting that the Patriot Act 1 & 2 retired, a warrant is required, and this also helps to date how long, that they have left it on their vehicle.
@Clarence Kayser google (or duckduckgo...) for "de-googling your phone" to even reverse THAT corporate (and cooperative with Biden's corrupt intel agencies) tracking device.
Hey if they want to play that way, mail the government our payment books
@Clarence Kayser been burned by OnStar in 2010, my own Caddy called the Cops on me
I would pry it off and stick it to a police car
More fun to place it on a dumpster truck or postie van ;-)
@@michaellowe3665: or, perhaps, a container ship bound for China.
Lend your car to someone going for a long road trip.
School bus, city bus, subway train, snowplow, neighboor’s car, pizza delivery guy, your ex’s car, the guy at work you don’t like who was promoted over you, your boss, a boat during boating season, the middle of the desert during s cross country trip, the middle of a small island in the middle of a lake that’s your favorite fishing spot. Possibilities are endless!
This is why you should always know at least two flight attendants , one going to Asia and one on the South Africa run.
If you put it on my car, which is my property, you've essentially given it to me to do with it as I wish.
I agree 100% Paul!!! Anyone that attaches something on my property (without probable cause) then it becomes MY PROPERTY to do with any way I wish. Actually they have trespassed and defaced my property subject to lawsuit and damages..... including emotional STRESS and any other bullshit I can dream up before we go to court!!!
Not actually true. You are obligated to make a reasonable effort to notify the owner of any lost or mislaid property you find.
That being said the tracker wasn't marked in any way, and the owner already had a pretty good idea who they needed to talk to to recover it.
@@WorBlux i think if i found this i'd find a TT unit at a rest stop and attach it to that and hope it goes cross country.
Can I charge them rent for keeping it and mileage for the added fuel consumption it will require? What about the inconvenience of me having to work around it as I wash and maintain my car?
@@WorBlux Actually, it wouldn't be "lost or Mislaid" if it was attached to my property. Highly unlikely something would accidentally be stuck to the underside of my car.
I drive a semi for a living. The machine is inspected daily and from time to time, I find road debris caught up in the truck somewhere. Being a responsible and caring individual, I remove the debris and place it in the first available trash receptacle I find. And if the label on it that says,”Property of Blah Blah PD, if found, please call BR549” happens to be obscured by road dirt and road oil, I won’t be feeling an obligation to clean it off to read it because it was a foreign object stuck to my machine.
BR549 LOL
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Never trust a cop or prosecuting attorney, they will lie like hell for a score.
Prosecuting attorneys can't lie. The police can tell you the sky is colored green.
Craig Howarth We can’t if we want to keep our job...
@@jimpyre5038 Hahahahahahah, funny guy.
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For the prosecution there are so many ways to present a lie without actually outright lying.
I would love to see judges who sign off on these bogus warrants held accountable.
Start handing out the death penalty to these judges and I guarantee it will stop quickly.
Ok maybe death sentences are a bit much here, if you recall drugs and a gun were in fact found in this P.O.S.' house, but clearly this was botched and unjust.
Real justice would've had him convicted for the actual crimes he has committed (drugs and gun possession) while dismissing the bogus GPS theft charge.
@@DHFlip18 When you say POS, you're referring to the guy who was suspected of drug dealing initially? Or the cop who got a search warrant for "theft" and then violated someone's 4th amendment rights? Neither person is doing the right thing here, but one of them has an obligation to try to uphold the law and not manipulate it as they see fit.
@@alexandermaier8093 Initially I was referring to the drug dealer, though in this case the same term would apply to the cop. To be honest though, it always frustrated me that evidence could not be used against a criminal just because the it was obtained in a questionable manner.
Like this case for instance: the drug dealer is clearly guilty of drug and gun possession; both are serious violations, but because this evidence wasn't collected properly it must likely won't be able to be used against him and he'll just walk free and clear.
I'm not suggesting the 4th doesn't matter, one the contrary I'm a firm believer, but there are times I wish common sense would apply instead.
@@DHFlip18 , protecting the rights of one, protects the right of us all in the long run...
I think what the craziest part was he found the tracker and still had drugs in his house.
Ya think common sense would've showed up and helped in here somewhere.
You would think, hey they are on to me. Get someone else to drive my car while I clean up my property.
Mann Down No shit!!!
Meth heads aren't the sharpest tool in the shed! I would have stuck it to a semi at a truck stop.
It's possible he DID clean up his home and barn [to the best he could remember].
I've known someone involved in similar activities. After this person quit such activities, he found stashes here and there, which he long forgot about. This happens all of the time, especially when an unexpected visitor comes to visit and had to find a quick location to hide his goods [not so goods].
Just my 2 ¢'s.
Live in Canada and I actually found something on my car years ago. It was in the wheel well. Fairly large then so much harder to hide in those days. It was electronic in nature and wasn’t there the last time I washed my car. My wife and daughter were out of town for a week visiting relatives. No idea who put it there. I am not a criminal and the worst I have done is speeding tickets when I was a teen. I removed it and contemplated a long time what to do with it. Decided to just throw it in the garbage. I was a businessman, the only thing I could think was some sort of corporate espionage but that didn’t make sense either as my companies were doing well but just 3 small companies that payed me well but were no threat to anyone. Still don’t know to this day who put it there or why. Never found anything else since? That was about 25 years ago.
Your wife suspected you were having an affair?
@@FFM0594 or it got put their by mistake, but they were really expense back then, so yeah first guess would be suspicious spouse.
If someone finds a gps device on their car how are they going to know if its the cops or some serial killer tracking them?
Also how are you going to know if it is a serial killer by night that is a police officer by day.
true,could be a golden state killer type.
Serial killer and cop is redundant.
reattach it to a long haul tractor trailer.
If you also find a machete-wielding psycho in the backseat then you will know it is a serial killer.
The very concept of a “confidential informant” flagrantly violates the 6th Amendment’s guarantee of a defendant’s right to confront witnesses.
Hey our President has the same problem. They just change it whisle blower.
@CharmsDad
Clearly, you're not a constitutional attorney. Your right to confront a witness against you applies to a court case. You don't have the right to confront witnesses in an investigation. It would be impossible to conduct undercover investigations if the target knows what everybody says about them.
Attorney no. Just working class stiff,. with some common sense.
@@matthewgaines10 True. But if it's used as evidence, you get to question the "witness" (i.e. "rat") [this is the whole point of witness protection: because these people MUST appear in court, they need new identities have any illusion of security.]
Matthew Gaines Your ridiculous response makes it clear you have no clue regarding the Constitution, how court cases progress, or what type of legal challenges can be brought in court.
I feel like this is like putting an envelope full of money in someone's mailbox and then claiming they're harboring stolen property because they brought the envelope inside.
Lol, even worse. They attached it to his car, already effectively on his property. This would be the equivalent of slipping the envelope under their door then claiming theft.
It's my understanding that if you receive an unsolicited package in
the US Mail, you are permitted to
Claim it as yours, and Keep It! 😅❤🎉
@@wilneal8015 This is true. This law was implemented I think in the 1960s when credit card companies used to send out unsolicited credit cards, people would use them and then get stuck for the bill. The law was passed to stop this practice, it worked.
As Steve alluded to the “anonymous tip” and the securing of a warrant…how convenient, i sure wish they were required to have the warrant hearing recorded especially if its anonymous and the level of scrutiny of that informant.
As a former British Soldier (from the time of “The Troubles”) I would be extremely concerned about an unknown tracking device on my vehicle.
Indeed.
Hell, you would be searching your vehicle constantly for a lot more than a fucking tracker.
The IRA didn't care WHERE you went, they just wanted you to go UP. Nasty buggers.
It's an object stuck under your car.
Could be a bomb.
I say it needs to be immediately removed and put in a safe place- buried deep in the ground, in a river- where it wouldn't kill anyone.
Very true
Sneaking into someone's garage is an easy way to find yourself in a shallow ditch in the deep woods.
My thoughts exactly
Most of these criminals don't have garages. They park their cars outside. So if you're going to be a criminal, you must always park in a secured garage. Then politicians will make garages illegal...
I was raised in the country. Here we put the 3 s's on unwelcome and unpleasant visitors.
Shoot, shovel and shut up!
babyfarck Mcgeezazkz
A co-worker of mine has been dealing with the consequences his actions over two years ago, when he was awakened by a strange noise in the wee hours of the night. Thinking the noise came from his garage, he went silently out his back door to investigate, grabbing a shovel nearby. Two dark figures rounded the corner just as he did the same - and reflexively he swung that shovel at his head with all his might. The other man took off running, apparently straight to the police station - where BOTH of them worked! Of course they charged the homeowner with assault on a LEO (they never ID’d themselves!) Nothing ever came of those charges, but he and his wife have been harassed by both county and municipal officers ever since. Not fair, but he is looking for employment far away from our area, hoping to relocate his family “out of sight” and hopefully out of mind.
Law Enforcement in the US seems to be on a constant crusade to deprive the citizenry of our rights as laid out in the Constitution. We are truly and desperately in need of law enforcement reform.
Most of my encounters with LEO'S has gone one of 2 ways. I remind them of their OATHS OF OFFICE and if they won't uphold their OATHS then they must remove the weapons belt badge and Blouse because they are nothing more than DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Most walk away and leave me alone. Those very few bad LEO'S suddenly start hearing dispatch yell at them that they are stepping on my Constitutional rights by abuse of AUTHORITY under the color of the law. Always video the situation and call dispatch before the LEO starts talking so that they record the incident and can question the magistrate as necessary if they are unfamiliar with a law you just quoted!
@Wagner PD Stop projecting. Why do you right-wingnuts hate freedom so much?
That's how they train them today. You see, buried Deep in the Patriot Act is the suspension of the Constitution AND the Bill of Rights. So you can say that, according to the Constitution, the Patriot Act is unconstitutional and therefore unenforceable AND all our elected officials AND Law Enforcement AND Government Agents ie FBI CIA NSA etc are Traitors. OR You just say Oh Well,
We're scre wed.
Take Care All
we need reform from top to bottom; the police being the bottom;the legislatures being the top; courts being in between.
It is part of their plan to control the populace.
Can you imagine? "You must allow us to track you." LOL!
Hell, forget the tracker, just force the guy to drive around with a cop in the backseat.
The car must have been quite old, cause any new car (at least 2012, I think 2006) can be tracked without an extra tracker. My Conspiracy theory about why they did the ash for clunkers was to help get rid of as many of non factory installed trackers as possible.
And feed him coffee and donuts
@@addhoardingprocrastinatorBoth untrue and conspiracy brain rot
What he should have done. Get to a police station and press charges against unknown, for illegally tracking him (Citizen). As a criminal, it's obviously better not to tip them off, about the fact you know they track you.
Over here, i would be more worried, that the tracker was from organized crime than the police. they don't do that yet (to my knowledge) but they do shadow people, so they know when to commit burglaries without being disturbed.
The anonymity of the device should be reason enough to be able to remove it and dispose of it.
What really bugs me is that there is an obvious lack of mens rea in removing a suspicious object from your property. The police are attributing malicious intent to an otherwise natural reaction.
My vehicle belongs to me . If they don’t want me smashing their gps tracker don’t put it on my property.
Always use an EMF detector, only $15. Better yet, put it on a car after following them home from the employee-parking-lot at the local courthouse...a judge or prosecutor may get tracked. Tell police you'd like investigation on why the prosecutor, clerk, or other stole it from you!! And that you'll get FBI to investigation local thieves being protected by corrupt police, if they'd prosecute you, but not local "old boys network VIP's" for the same set of circumstances.
It's called trespassing.
Or indulge in a fender bender... but if you can pry it off, then I say, pry it open & loosen some wires.
@@olgamiller216 A few seconds in the microwave should do the trick.
The "vehicle" you bought with Federal Reserve Notes?
Then technically it's not yours. Stop paying the taxes and then tell me you own it.
Is it not written "Jesus asked “Who's image and inscription are on the coin?” The answer? “Caesar's”. Jesus then tells them to “Pay back Caesar's things to Caesar.”?
They are "DEAD" entities". Living can not OWN anything dead. (necrophilia) Yea it gets that deep.
This happened to individual I knew they put a tracker on a commercial truck. He was the owner of the business and it was only one truck. He thinks they may have put a tracker on the truck by accident so when he went into the police department and ask them they pretended not to know anything about it. He pulled a tracker off the vehicle. He carefully bubble, wrapped and placed in a package and ship it to New York. He was currently living in Chicago.
There is a rise of predators using tracking devices, especially air tags and the like, to follow the movements and daily habits of their potential victims. Anything that would have set a legal precedent requiring a person to leave a device on their car on the chance that it *might* belong to law enforcement would have been dangerous indeed.
Exactly
Indeed, what might have been fun is to park up somewhere out of the way, take it off and drop it in a layby before driving on a little way then calling bomb disposal and telling them something fell off your car and you think it might have been a bomb. If you're lucky they'll controlled explosion it, telling the police to go talk to bomb disposal about what happened to the thing on your car would be priceless.
Put it on a cop's personal car.
Cops misusing department resources to stalk people has also bee a thing for decades. Yeah, I'd be ripping it off and leaving it on the kerb way away from home.
Right you are. Used to be... would be burglars had to case a neighborhood. With an air tag [or similar device] they can go home, play video games and look at the vehicle movement logs a week later to determine repeatable/common time frames of absence.
When I lived in a far northern state I found that the police had gifted me with a tracker on my car and it ended up going across the Canadian border on an over the road truck.
That's probably what I would do with it.
dang that wouldve been fun for those cops trying to retrive it.
That is exactly what the US Supreme Court ruled. They place it on your car, they have "gifted" it to you. It is your property, not theirs, to do with as you please. The police can't claim theft as it is no longer their property.
When you give up freedom for security, then you have niether.
Yeah, thats not what Franklins famous saying meant.
@@DS..69 those who would give up essential liberty for a little temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security...
Then what did he mean?
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 Look it up. You have the means.
@@DS..69 no. You presented an argument, dont be lazy. Back it up.
@@aleksfoxtrot8044 Don't have to. Others have done it more eloquently then I ever could. 👈👮♂️👈
In my opinion if you're concealing your property on/in someone else's property without them knowing, you're kind of giving up any right to claim theft. They don't know why it's there or where it came from and should have every right to take it off and dispose of it (or hold it somewhere safe in case someone comes asking for it if they feel generous).
I spent 2 years in Iraq and I guarantee you I find an object on my vehicle that I didn't put on there I'm calling the police and declaring an emergency and I'm going to claim that there is a bomb attached to my vehicle. And no I'm not joking and the slightest bit to try to be sensational. As I said I spent two years on Iraq and I've seen the results of bombs that are placed on vehicles. And if there are no markings on this thing And I feel stupid enough to take it off myself I will destroy it. That is insane to think that they can just arbitrarily attach a device to my vehicle. No this is not a good thing and yes it is difficult for the police but that's the nature of the beast: You have to prove that I have done a criminal act I don't have to prove that I'm not a criminal.
Yes, if I ever find one, I'll be calling 911 to report a possible explosive device is attached to my vehicle, and the bomb squad needs to come remove it. Good thinking.
Steven Wilgus did you know this device is on your car as well, Trump had it taken off air force one, it’s the size of a quarter, it’ll crash your car by computer at another location, this is what happened to micheal hastings and Paul Walker/RIP men
Lived in Colombia, yep. I'd go through the same process.
@@johnbyrne3346 what?
I like your attitude.
I think they should rule that the subject was not served the search warrant and therefore had no obligation to leave it.
The sneak and peek or delayed notification search warrant would do side step of that argument,You can't win in a crooked game.
Cop's are stripping us of our rights, stomping them to the ground! And doing a little 💃 , knowing that the judge/policy makers or who the fk ever can get away with it. Fken pigs
It’s like telling a slave they have to keep their shackles on! If I see a chance to escape, as a Soldier I have a duty to escape! Military Training!
I've been though this situation and was told by my attorney it's illegal to remove one I had found on my vehicle that a private investigator put on it. I took it off and put it on a semi trailer.
That's insane you don't need to provide your stalker with your location
It's NOT illegal to remove it. It's illegal to put one on a vehicle YOU don't own. If you wife was on the title with you to the vehicle, that's the only person outside of law enforcement who can legally put a tracking device on your vehicle. Source: GF had a stalker that harrassed us over a 5 state area and talked to a lot of lawyers and DA's. Circa 2014-2015
Your attorney is wrong. It's definitely not illegal to remove a tracker a PI out on your vehicle.
Then you need a new attorney. I would remove it.
not illegal to remove it, the illegal part came when you put it on someone else's vehicle
A question. I'm no lawyer, but if an unidentified person leaves an unidentifiable object on a person's property, how can it be theft if the property owner removes it? If someone leaves a cell phone in a taxi, is it theft if the taxi driver moves the phone to a lost and found? If a person purchases a home and later finds a can of money in the yard, they didn't steal the money? The money was there. If a person purchased a car that, unknown to them contained a tracker, the tracker would belong to them. If you throw away an item, on the ground, or hopefully in the trash, it no longer belongs to you and can be recovered by the authorities or presumably someone else. By the same standard, would this be theft?
Another thought. Does this mean, if some unknown person sets up a camera in your yard or in your home, pointed at your bedroom or bathroom, would it be theft if you removed it? This is a crazy expansion of property rights.
"It is better that even a guilty man should go free than that an innocent man be unjustly punished" Thomas Jefferson
Those were better days
Ruling cadree: "No one is innocent."
Actually, the quote is "I would rather a thousand guilty men go free, than one innocent man convicted."
That was said by John Addams, when he defended the British troops after the Boston Massacre in 1774.
Reality is "a law has been broken, someone MUST BE PUNISHED!"
@@jmichaelramirez2510 Someone....not neccessarily the right one!
A co worker of mine was going thure a nastey divorce. he found a gps tracker on his car..... We put it on a 18 wheeler trailer at a rest stop..... wander how long the pi flowed it
yup,id go to nearest truck stop, find truck with plates from the furthest away and stick it there. good plan
Robert - unlikely that anyone was actually following it. Often these types of trackers upload their the data to a website that is accessed to see the travel history.
How about a city truck which evacuees the trash,that one have hundreds of stop points 😄all over his serviced part of city
Ion - garbage truck would only be in your area one day of the week, and only for a short period of that day. A pizza delivery car from a local pizza shop would be ideal, as the area they cover is pretty contained. Just remember to order a pizza every few days so the tracker shows up at your house once in a while.
@@VC-Toronto I would look for it at their base🤣
Neighbor bought a used car & while changing oil found a tracker. He wasn't sure what it was at 1st & when he found out took it off. The county sheriff said he could've gotten into trouble. His reply was bring it on!
I like your neighbor!
Tell the sheriff, good luck with that. Arrest him for trespassing, tampering, and invasion of privacy.
@@Normal1855 and remind him about the next election.
Bring it on biches
Take it to the local and other news around election time.
The simple answer in the future is to remove the device keeping it in the car and driving to the police station nearest. Take it inside to the reception desk and say I found this under my car in my driveway and it is not mine. It has no name on it so I am turning into the lost and found for you to hold for the owner. The statement it was found on the ground under the car relieves the car owner of being charged with removing it and by giving it back to the police and getting a receipt for it you are stopping them dead in their tracks from using it as a basis for further exploration and warrant applications. Put it back in their hands and say "Caught you" without legal risk.
The police will just put it back on your car again.
So, if I spot officers following me, and I take 2 rights and a left to lose the tail, did I obstruct the investigation? Why don't they get a warrant to force me to allow an officer to sit in my car and live on my couch?
Agreed, it's forced self incrimination
If the cops who may be tailing you lose track of you, it's "felony evading." Even if you don't know they are there.
@@algrayson8965 murrica
Stop giving them ideas.
It's 4 rights
Coming from a cop of 18 years, if I found something attached to my car it is coming off.
POLICE are a joke, enforcing corporate/Vatican laws (admiralty law) on the public and not common law. You trick the public into your jurisdiction without their knowledge. Thats why POLICE is always spelt in ALL UPPERCASE otherwise known as Dog-Latin, a false fictional text. The same way you write tickets, in ALL UPPERCASE, you work off deceit and lies. You are the problem.
Dog Latin "The Latin of illiterate persons; Latin words put together on the English grammatical system." - Blacks Law Dictionary.
@mist 😂😂
My cousin was a lieutenant in a police dept. Cousin claimed disability, neurological problems, couldnt qualify at gun range, pain, numbness in hands. Damn internal affairs put a camera in her neighbors tree.
@@mist3rpink838 The main reason tickets are written in upper case is probably because peoples handwriting is so bad, I have seen writing in lowercase that was so bad you can't understand it .
JavPaul Settmr, former police officer here, and I would do the same thing, especially when I was a cop.
When you find someone’s bug, if you are smart, it becomes a “double agent” allowing one to feed the bug owner whatever crap one wants the bug owner to know. One can have all kinds of fun.
He should just attach it to a cop car.
Someone else commented that you should just drive around and stop at a bunch of politicians houses for a few minutes each
@@archygrey9093 Genius! And you got a like for giving credit to the OP instead of just stealing it!
So what if you sell the car?
If they put a bug in my house they sure would listen to a lot of old cowboy westerns and traveling Robert and not much else except my dogs barking.
I bought a 2013 Nissan Morano that used to be a rental car. I found an antenna wire leading up inside the panel between the driver's side window and the windshield, along the top of the "ceiling" and into an antenna module mounted behind my rear view mirror. I took it apart, looked up the part number of the module, and verified that it was indeed an antenna module. Being an electronics tech helped. It was easy to see what this was.
I honestly don't know if it was a GPS or not, but there is no reason for my car to be talking to anyone. I removed the device and cut the antenna wire as close to my dash as possible.
It was probably there to enable OnStar or a similar service that makes it easy to get help if you're stranded or in an accident.
@@wizardsuth i looked up the part number on the antenna's circuit board and it came up as a GPS antenna. The cable ran along the top of the cabin down under the dash. That's as far as I traced it before cutting it.
Unfortunately I believe that every year we lose more and more of our “rights”
Because we do not DEMAND THEM. Because is easier and cheaper to cave inn and let them usurp our rights
They take your rights, and give you privileges.
But people don't care as long as it is described as FREEDOM! Many Americans will put up with anything if it called freedom!
@@scorchedearth1451 yep. But I guarantee if you just ask 5 of your neighbors, at least 3 won't have a clue as to what you are saying because they don't know the difference. Nor do they pull themselves away from entertainment(FBsports, tv,gaming) long enough to care.
Whoah! whoah there! They absolutely need this *control* for YOUR own good ... and for YOUR own safety.
Now, please ignore any black wireless modules we stick on your cars ... and soon homes; also ignore our surveillance drones.
And also ignore those road towers with face-recognition cams that we are [experimentally] erecting in large cities near you ...
yeah, those traffic intersection cams just didn't cut it for us.
I have a serious problem with them being able to put one on someone's car in the first place.
For real. If we put one on someone's car it would be felony stalking.
@@ShelliLoop Someone who isn't a government thug?
What if it’s a known terrorist?
S H the Royal we man
The point that is missing - a court order / warrant is necessary and a tracker cannot be just thrown on a car without judicial oversight
A criminal involved in criminal behavior should be scared. If you’re not committing a crime - this will NEVER impact you
possession is 9/10ths of the law...the police gave it to him as a gift...he removed it. its his property
I love this argument.
Sean Wilhelm it is crazy..me? i would stick it to a honey badger...or a rattle snake...something interesting...or stick it to their sergeants vehicle...
That’s a good point. If there is no property label on it, you may assume it’s a gift from an anonymous donor.
Just like those advertisers who send junk mail with some cheap “gift” inside.
Here is an idea, if they place it on say your bumper wrap(the pretty painted part that's plastic) what's to say it wasn't scuffed so it was removed and replaced with said tracker still attached and is now in a shop, junkyard, trash or corner of the garage?
Retired NJ Attorney here. Somehow bumped into your channel and am enjoying the hell out of your practical approach and acknowledgment that litigation is incredibly costly, time consuming, and seldom if ever satisfying.
How about removing the device and taking it to the police or maybe the FBI?
"I would like to press charges on who ever attached this tracking device to my personal property. Can you please locate the owner of the device and move forward with charges?"
Stand up for your Constitutional rights!
How about prying it off and in the dark of night, stick on a police car? That would confuse them for a while.
What rights were violated? In 2012 the Supreme court (of the US) ruled police can't attach a tracking device without a warrant first. They got the warrant before attaching the device. The guy who owned the car never contested the validity of this warrant. Only the warrant that was issued afterwards for theft when the device went dark for a week. 100% legal with a warrant for the police to attach a tracking device to a car, just like with a warrant it is legal to wiretap.
@@Phoneyjoker The tracking device was not identifiable as police property. It is therefore reasonable for the car's owner to remove it; it didn't belong on the car, from his point of view. The police used the circumstance of the tracking device being out of contact and then back in contact as an excuse to apply for multiple search warrants on suspicion of theft of police property. But without any identifying information on the tracker, there can be no _intent_ to "steal government property" or whatever the charge was. Therefore, any evidence obtained by said warrants is inadmissible in court.
"The guy who owned the car never contested the validity of this warrant." Please. You think they told him about how they were tracking his vehicle with a GPS device?
@@OgamiItto70 You clearly have taken my post out of context. OP contended that the man's rights were violated by a GPS tracker being attached to his vehicle, even though the police had a valid warrant. Let me clarify my response "what rights were violated (by the police obtaining a lawful warrant and attaching a GPS tracker to his vehicle lawfully). I assumed the later part of my response was inferred because OP never mentioned the unlawful obtaining of a search warrant based on the unjustifiable charge of "theft by removal". Keep in mind the higher court(s) never ruled that the warrant obtained to install the GPS tracker was illegal/invalid. They only ruled the subsequent warrants which were initially based upon the concept of "theft by removal" to be invalid. I am not in any way arguing that any of the warrants starting with the one obtained by the contention that "removal is theft" is valid in any, way, shape or form.
@@OgamiItto70 To be even more specific the OP posted ""I would like to press charges on who ever attached this tracking device to my personal property. Can you please locate the owner of the device and move forward with charges?"
Stand up for your Constitutional rights!- I am asking how the police lawfully obtaining a warrant to attach the GPS tracking device was a violation of the man's constitutional rights as the OP asserted. Hint, the answer is it is not illegal to obtain a warrant to attach the GPS device, and there is no evidence in this case that the GPS device was attached illegally, of the warrant to attach the GPS was unlawful/invalid.
How could I be expected to abide by something I was never informed of?
And a plain clothes officer!? He's lucky he didn't get shot!
Ignorance of the law is no excuse.
@@BlaubartMT I'm being snide.
Next time I'll add a >.>
@@JoshSweetvale Does that pertain to the police as well sisnce many of them make up laws as they go along?
@@williamengland9814 I did say I was being snide. The very phrase parodies itself.
If someone leaves a flyer under my windshield wiper, am I committing theft if I throw it away? Generally, such flyers have phone numbers on them. Am I obliged to call, or can I just throw it away?
George Orwell in 2020: “I tried to warn you.”
George Orwell in 1984; Literally did warn us; "Don't let it happen"
Politicians: We used your book as a manual.
1984 was prologue to an unimaginable nightmare fueled by corporate greed and government incompetence.
You forgot brave new world and animal farm. I have my grandchildren read these three. When asked why, answer we are living them.
When exposing a crime becomes a crime, you're run by criminals.
The republicans act like hardcore mafia type thugs imo. Nothing against Mafia ;)
@@HappyBuddhaBoyd You mean like the Impeachment Hearings?
@624TG i really wish you would stand but i dont think the left have ahny bones in their bodies to allow for them to, if not the lack of bones then the lack of brains and balls are a constant plague to your kind. You love to speak but will never act.
At least most Republicans aren't trying to take your right to defend yourself and dismantle the second amendment. You progressives amaze me. You have this huge issue with police (as do i) but you're okay with government gun control. 🤔
@Jim Alley you're one of those people who thinks putting a vinyl sticker saying "NO GUNS ALLOWED" on the window of your business is gonna keep you from getting robbed too, aren't you?
Installation without consent. Removal is perfectly legal.
Just leave it on your driveway. It's still on your property.
Only after you win in the courtroom.
It's old tech, but when they put a physical bug on a landline without informing you are you allowed to remove it if you found it? It's my phone. My car. Something attached to my property is forfeited by the owner in my opinion. That includes police unless the warrant is one where they may inform me and compel me to leave it like when one is compelled to wear an ankle monitor. That should also require the police to meet a higher evidentiary standard when requesting that I be compelled to allow such monitoring of my life.
Does this mean I really do have to leave that f*cking tag on my mattress?
Now that's funny
n00b the mattress police will be talking to you soon lol.
🤣🤣🤣
No, you need to learn to read.
My ex wants to know if I'm having more sex then her.
Even if it was labeled with “police” I would still remove it!
Or take it off, open it up and soak in a bucket of water for some time. Make a nick in it to identify and put back where found. It's owners will go crazy. Check if replaced - rinse and repeat.
How would "Property of Police" be enough reason to believe it? I've seen t-shirts that say "Property of..."
@@jerrybobteasdale shit man you can go online and easily buy a fake police badge and uniform that looks exactly like the real deal.
In today’s world you’re guilty until you can prove yourself innocent and if you don’t have the money to fight it you’re just plain guilty! 🙈
unless your a proponent Democrat.
More like Soviet "guilty until guilty".
Facts
@@Stark-ek7mh Less we forget Belarus.... ABDUCTED!
1000% TRUTH!!! That's america for you..
What if you find audio and video surveillance bugs in your house?
So he finds a tracking device on his car and can't reason it out to get rid of all the drugs?
@Prince Bumpkin sounds kinda Darwin Award to me.
Though it's not likely in this case,my first thought was that the PD got mad that he took the tracker off, got a warrant and planted evidence in the guys residence. Because: 1.who would be stupid enough to leave drugs in the house after possibly learning that you're being tracked. Unless:2. The story left out that he already knew he was being tracked,which if he did, should have got rid of the drugs, unless he did and 3: The police planted the evidence. It wouldn't be the first time.
Yeah dumbass dude, let himself get caught with drugs! The tracker is total B.S., I would get rid of that quickly the law be damned!
K F, If they were smart they wouldn’t be drug users.
Why do you think they call it dope? m.ruclips.net/video/HtAxLs7nmiU/видео.html
Might have not known it was a tracker to begin with.
And the bootlickers will be yelling "IF YOU HAVE NUFFIN TO HIDE..."
John Linde EXACTLY
John Linde: Well, if YOU have nothing to hide... Sorry. Just had to throw a funny in there at you for saying it. LOL Too funny :)
Where does one hide a NUFFIN anyway?
@@icecold9511 Nope, for our protection.
@@icecold9511 Come up with something better then that.
Remove it and put it on a cop car. Just returning their property.
Far better on a truck going long distance.
Why give it back? Pop it in a steel can and bury it at the beach.
Several years ago I bought a used truck from a major dealership. I was installing some accessories and noticed a wire coming out of the fuse box. I then opened the fuse box and found a tracker. I removed it and put it out with the trash.
It's always amazed me that people will fight tooth and nail to preserve their rights under the second amendment but are largely apathetic to the constant erosion of our rights under the 4th and 5th, and to a lesser extent, the 1st.
So true. We should fight for rights of any amendment
Without the 2nd amendment, you might as well wipe your butt with the constitution because it's useless and means nothing.
@@xaiyab6892 agreed, but let's stop allowing bullshit Patriot Act type legislation to pass. Preventing unreasonable search and seizure is so fundamental to our rights
The 2a has been corroded more, and for longer. Nearly a century of attack has woken the people up on it.
People are waking up to the abuses on the others. Hopefully they don't take too long.
@@weesnaww so true
Wondering how you felt about, when removing it, attaching it to one of their police cars? Kind of like giving it back. That way it shouldn't be stealing.
How about on the judge's wife car 😎🌴
Very nice.. LOL
Oooh, I love that! Pure *chef's kiss* idea...
I hope you do a follow up when the ruling is made. This will be an interesting one to see which way the courts rule. I'm forever a cynic so I'm guessing they will rule against the common sense approach and do what serves law enforcement not Joe Q Public.
Still would pull the tracker, if no proof of ownership, i'd get rid of it. What could the cops do? They can't prove who removed it.
@@ronaldknight9974 Maybe you missed this part of the video. They got a search warrant for the guys property to find the missing tracker. If they don't find it that's great, but you still might have cops busting down your door looking for it. Not worth the risk. Probably a good idea to call the cops and tell them to come get their tracker and stop doing illegal stuff for a while.
I hope a follow up is done as well hoping that any law against Joe public in that state doesn't migrate to my state anytime soon. Even though I'm a law abiding citizen. This is one slippery slope.
Fk which way the corrupt communist courts rule. I say execute every last one of these terrorist traitors.
Isn't it "a thing" where they're used by criminals to follow someone back to their house to later come rob them? If I found one, I'd take it off and watch for a possible home intrusion. I didn't hear about this precedent mentioned.
Went to post office....was close to police station.... placed their own tracker on their code enforcement vehicle. Now they have a actual criminal to follow around. 🤔😂
PERFECT!!!
Chiefs car. Or better yet mayor's car
Call the bomb squad for a suspicious box on your car while parked in a crowded area.
Sound like a sound plan. That way the police themselves remove the device.
Better yet wait for a court date and call it in parked next to the courthouse. I wonder how happy the judges who had to drop everything and evacuate the building for hours would be with the police when they found out it was a tracker
Maybe not a good idea. The bomb squad might perform a controlled detonation of the device while it is in place. For public safety of course.
@@OrdenJust no, theyd want to disarm it for evidence, carbombs are almost always associated with organized crime
Haaaaaaaacough
Brilliant
What if your ex-spouse is a weirdo police officer ?
You are so screwed!
You made a mistake marrying him/her in the first place.
A lot of bad things happened because of that.
Then he just gets his buddy to swear a false affidavit for criminal slander and talks the county attorney into prosecuting you for a nonexistent crime.
That might be more common than we think!
They have tapped my phone, tracking on my car and hacked my email account, messing with bill payment, insurance payment, made me look like a dishonest person. Power that be
And mess with my RUclips comments.
We are slaves. Question is are we ready to stand up for our rights.
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Nah, too distracted by their cell phones and social media to care. Conditioned.
@Mykel Hardin The irony here... Says* has* Next time you insult someone, make sure you yourself are perfect.👌😊
@Mykel Hardin Thanks!a
@Mykel Hardin Oh, do tell us. I would enjoy being enlightened on the subject. And as a plus, please define the word Freedom. Get that one right and I will honor you here and forever.
Theft?
You stuck it to my car. You gave it to me!
You have to serve the warrant.
Seems like the warrant was illegal and, those 7 felonies should be thrown out..
When I find them on a clients car I've put them on cabs, buses and police supervisors cars. Total Chaos.
My question Steve is 'If the police get a warrant to tap your phones: cell, home phone or laptop lines, and you stop using them because you might suspect a wiretap, or you destroy your phone or cut the phone wires to your house, buy a burner phone: have you then obstructed a investigation? Can they now search you house, car, property, or business because the electronic devices is no longer sending requested data, have been destroyed or have been removed from your person?
We already have trackers we Willingly carry with us all the time..
Then we shall put 10 more on your car and send you a weekly report on where you have been.
that's why when I leave I leave my phone at home majority of the time
and we pay a bill for it every month ..... not even cheap
That’s why I turn off location service on my iPhone when I’m not using gps.
Speak for yourself. I never take my phone with me when I leave my house.
Years ago, before GPS was common and before we all knew what GPS meant (and pre-public internet), someone installed a GPS in my son's car behind the radio. Installed by attaching it to the wiring and causing the radio to crackle! His radio faceplate didn't look right so he opened it up to figure out the problem. That's when we found the black, 8" brick jammed in with his radio. We uninstalled it and tried to find out what it was. It sat in my office until I eventually threw it away. We had no idea where it came from, or why. Now we figure police put it in his car when it was impounded for parking in a no parking spot. The car was a black 280 ZX. When we had gone to the impound lot, they sent us to the police department to pick up the car. That was really strange. Anyway, it must not have been put there legally because no one ever asked him or us about their GPS. If they messed with his car to get it back, they were probably stunned to discover it was gone. LOL Thank goodness this was 20+ years ago so the statute of limitations will have run out if removing it was illegal. But, the car didn't belong to whomever put the GPS in it; it wasn't marked except with GPS and a serial number; my son didn't put it in there and we removed it from my son's property. If someone installs something in my car, I'm going to deem it abandoned and it becomes my property.
About ten years ago, a guy I knew had bought a car from one of those shitty road side tote the note used car dealers. He was late on his payment one day and the car would not start.
Later on he consulted his mechanic and the mechanic let him know it was not advisable to remove it till the note was paid in full.
@@derekcolvin9944 My son's car was paid off long before that thing was put in it. The crackling noise is what caused him to try to fix the radio and find it. The radio worked fine before it was installed and fine once removed, too. If I found one today, I'd do the same as back then.
I have a black sports car myself. I've had it and similar cars for many years. Cops like to tag them for speeding, even if you aren't... I suspect the police may have thought your kid could be a drug dealer and wanted to see if he ended up at houses or locations that they knew were hotbeds of drug activity. Black sports cars spook cops and sometimes other people in iffy neighborhoods. IMO the cops were playing the odds to see what they might find (a pattern of travel) to build a case or support one. I always wanted a ZX... I'm not a drug dealer or user though, just a lifelong admirer of long-hood, two-seater, low-slung cars
You can become legal owner by postting abandoned property notice in the paper.
State law will require a certain number of postings.
If you do find it and have to leave it on your car, would that fall under self incrimination?
No. Self-incrimination is testifying / speaking against your own interest. It does not extend to "not destroying evidence".
@@Tsunami1972 If he destroyed it yes. Removing it no.
How does allowing a gps tracker on my property or person let me feel "SECURE IN MY PERSON, PAPERS OR EFFECTS"? 4a and 5a are under attack here.
Abandoned property! Trash left at one's property. In fact that they did so they should be held liable for illegal dumping.
The more I learn about our justice system the more I mistrust and despise police, prosecutors, and judges.
BlankBrain ..as of this day this comment is running 50 fors and 0 against..
"Just buy a shotgun" - Joe Biden.
Could really mess with them and be like "I found this device on my car and I don't know what it is. Send the bomb squad right away!"
Great idea!!! Nice way to make them look stupid, I would call when everyone is outside doing lawn work to put real dumbness on display
And then the police refuse to send the Bomb squad because they know what it is.
and if they show up with the bomb squad and find out it's just a GPS tracker the police will never admit to them putting it there. They will just say they are taking it for evidence and will investigate...
Great idea until they preemptively blow up the device, on your car.
@@chriswise1232 LMAO
It reminds me of the East German Stasi or Soviet KGB
So if someone puts trash in the bed of your truck with out your permission you are not allowed to remove it or a
How could someone possibly be liable for removing something placed on their property without your knowledge or consent?
If you find a gps on your car find your closest Dea vehicle and plant it on that car and they will start thinking they are being followed by the suspect
*Glue it to the tail of a stray dog...*
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The DEA pretty much quit using trackers like that ten years ago. Now they just track your phone.
Maybe you could do a segment explaining the authority under which police are allowed to tamper with someone’s car in the first place. Do they need a warrant for that? If they do, why don’t they have to present the warrant like in most other cases? Wouldn’t this fall under the justification of a fisa court, since they are essentially spying on citizens on domestic soil?
Basically...how is any of this legal?
It would be one thing to me if they put a battery operated battery pack tracker on my car but if they're cutting wires and siphoning power can that be part of the warrant? Can the police walk up to my house and cut into my service so they can power their surveillance of me? What if they make a mistake in my car burns up or fails to run because of their actions whose liable for that
One time I left my beer on my neighbors bumper. The next morning he saw it and threw it away. Holy crap batman he committed theft.
We have alot of bad judges out there. They need a system of accountability
When the cops put it on the car, the tracker now belongs to the car owner. they gave it to him.
Not quite. Just because they put it on, a boot on your wheel doesn't belong to you either :-)
Oh mike, what a silly comment.
Consider it a gift from a secret admirer/stalker!
@@harles5000 Cherished, like a Valentine's card
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