Where is God in the midst of suffering? (Dr Frank Turek)
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
- Our guest speaker this week, Dr Frank Turek from www.crossexamined.org came to share with us some helpful truth in light of the London Bridge terrorist attack the night before. This message is packed with facts and helpful content for all people, Christian or not.
Dr Frank,
Thank you so much for listening you through your valuable message. You strengthen me to persued my calling no matter what comes in life.
23:43 thank you for this video !
God is right there, in the room witnessing children being raped, tortured and murdered watching the poor child be abused. Thats where god is. and he allows it to happen.
Just because Frank says that we are stealing from god doesn't mean we are stealing from god. That is just an assertion. You know, this is exactly what I would imagine a universe would be like if there were not god. People would still claim that a god exists.
Frank gets it wrong when he says Jesus sacrificed himself ( Died for our Sins ) Jesus didn't die!! He was resurrected and according to the Bible is sitting at the right side of God on a throne!! He knew in advance that he couldn't die. How does that fit in with your narrative that Jesus died for mankind s sins. Think about it !!!!
I am not sure I understand you. Jesus was dead and rose on the 3rd day. You both are correct. Jesus both died and was resurrected.
Excuse me? The bible clearly says that Jesus died..... Not only did he predict his own death it was stated that the Messiah would die and be raised again in the old testament written hundreds of years before he was even born....
*" Jesus didn't die!! He was resurrected....... "* How could he be "resurrected" if he did not first die?
Muhammad simply had no clue what he was talking about...... He could not even read the Torah or the Injil himself and he is trying to tell us what it says?
@@GSpotter63 strongly agreed 👍
Obviously you never been sifted by Satan and experienced hell
Oh...and you have been?
But really what is it doing? For say around 2 thousand years of ever increasing and worst-than-before human evil and suffering, is it only watching? Does it ever interfere in human decisions and affairs? What is it waiting? Is it waiting for more humans to come? Does it want more and more humans to fall into its judgment?
God is the same place in the midst of suffering as he is in all times -- non-existent.
So... I take it you have looked in every nook and cranny of the entire universe and even outside of it to be sure that there is no God... Right? ... I just want to make sure you have been thorough in your examinations before accepting your postulation.
@@GSpotter63 The undetectable is indistinguishable from the non-existent.
I could ask you the same question, "Have you looked in every nook and cranny of the universe, and even outside of it to be sure that YOUR god is the "right"/only one? Atheism isn't the assertion that no gods exist, but it's simply the response to the claims of theists -- that their particular claims about a supernatural being, and its character and intentions, are true. An atheist is simply pointing out that the claims of all religions are unconvincing. If theists actually had evidence for their claims they wouldn't need faith, but faith is all they've got.
@@jimscott9974
Your misunderstanding and or deliberate false narratives do nothing to discredit what the bible actuality has to say…
Let us take a look at some of the archaeological, historical and geological evidence supporting the stories in the bible.
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It took me less than 5 seconds to find this information on RUclips. A Google search gave 116,000 results in .44 seconds. To dismiss the evidences supporting the information found in the bible is paramount to self induced ignorance.
Since when do myths and legend leave so much archaeological, historical and geological evidence behind?
@@jimscott9974
“But what about all of the fossils are they not empirical evidence for evolution?” .... Talk about the belief in something with no proof……..
Believe it or not the very basis of the evolutionary theory is supported by nothing but assumptions and the use of the fallacy of circular reasoning.
Evolution teaches that all life evolved from a common source....(AKA abiogenesis). For that to be a fact with the massive amount of life forms observed, that first life must have diverged from one Domain, Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species, to another Domain, Kingdom, Phylum, Class, Order, Family, Genus, Species.
In order for all forms of life to have come from just one common ancestor it would require that this one source of life diverge, crossing all classification lines, even the big ones.
We have observed and recorded life adapting to changing environmental conditions producing slight variations on the Species level. Some even refusing to or incapable of interbreeding again. But never has anybody ever recorded a change at or above the Family or Genus level. To say that it is a fact and that this has actually happened is disingenuous...It is nothing but a speculation not an observable scientific fact. It is an assumption required to support the theory that all life evolved from a common ancestor and nothing more. To farther compound the problem evolution theory itself says that these larger inter Family or inter Phylum changes would require millions of years and millions of generations to take place and so could never be observed to begin with. In fact even after years of forced mutation with the equivalent of hundreds of thousands and even millions of generations on bacteria and fruit flies the only changes observed have been extremely slight, nothing that could be construed as Evolution beyond Species or Genus.
The branches of the "Tree Of Life" and the names that have been given presented by academia indicating the ancestors of one organism transforming into another are unseen speculations invented by man to help organize and classify individual life forms and nothing more. The cross phylum transitions presented within the "Tree Of Life" charts are speculations, not observed facts.
POINTING TO THE REMAINS OF AN ORGANISM BURIED UNDER LAYERS OF SEDIMENTARY STRATA AND PROCLAIMING THAT IT IS THE PROGENY OF ANOTHER DIFFERENT ORGANISM BERRIED FARTHER DOWN IN ANOTHER LAYER OF STRATA IS CALLED AN ASSUMPTION. NOT A FACT.
The descendancy proposed between different fossils is in itself nothing but an assumption.......Let’s look at an example.
Evolutionary proponents find the fossilized remains of an animal in a layer of strata, (let's call it animal "A") then they find the fossilized remains of another animal in another layer of strata (let's call this one animal "B"). It is clear to even a fifth grader that "A" and "B" are not of the same species, genus or even family. But to support evolutionary theory that all life came from a common source it is speculated that "A" is a descendant of" "B. Then the proponents of evolutionary theory use this speculated assumption of descendancy as the very basis of their entire theological construct. And will even go so far as to use this assumed descendancy as a proof for that very assumed descendancy.
You can't use your assumption as a proof for your assumption. This would be called a fallacy; the fallacy of circular reasoning or begging the question. But for some reason those in scientific circles have no problem ignoring this obvious fallacy.
It is clear that there are vast evolutionary variations within groups (AKA groups like...Canines, Felines, Bovines, Malacostraca, Cephalopods... ) and there is ample evidences for this very limited part of the evolutionary theory. But the only thing connecting these vastly different groups as well as the fossils of "A" to "B" as in the example given above is their assumptions..... There is no observed descendancy between these groups, no DNA to test in the case of extinct examples, just a bias assumption required to support their narrative that all life diverged from a common ancestor. When asked to give evidence for the myriad of new phyla or cross genus and cross family events that they say took place the only evidence they ever give are examples of variations within their respective Phyla or examples of their own unobserved speculated assumptions. It is clear that a lion and a tiger had a common ancestor, there is plenty of evidence for this, but there is absolutely no evidence at all that a horse and a squid ever had a common ancestor putting the "all life evolved from a common ancestor" theory out of the running.
So ...Is evolution (all life evolving from a single common source) a settled scientific fact based on verifiable observable evidences or a belief in their unobserved assumptions of descendancy?
If cross taxon events have indeed taken place then please show us one that has been observed.
I have never met anybody with more believe in the unseen then an atheist/evolutionist.
To criticize a Christian for his belief in the unseen but completely ignoring the same committed by atheist/evolutionists is simply inexcusable.
@@jimscott9974
Ya Atheisms has all the evidence we will ever need.... Hahaha
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Apparently the evidence supporting abiogenesis has been just a little exaggerated...
I simply could not find enough evidence or the faith to remain an atheist.
Godbless x
Notice he never answers the question? Because he can't. Because there is no answer.
(WARING: THIS IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE OFFENSES OR MEAN. I HAVE NO BAD INTENTIONS OR MEAN TO TELL YOU TO GO TO HELL!) what he is trying to say is that God is with you at all times. even if you don’t see it. God is GOOD, so good in fact he gives us free will! we do what we want in life and it makes us happy, but we take advantage of that, even me, as a christian. we sin, we lie,we kill, you name it! but that doesn’t mean God isn’t with you or isn’t alive (spiritually), it just means we have free will and we take it to advantage of it. and it’s ok if u don’t want to believe but i want to ask you something, if there is a God and he is good. would you believe?...
Actually there are many answers given in this video!
Of course there are, you must be an atheist/skeptic eh? Could it be there are only answers to someone willing to hear them and seek them out?
@@Dominick7 Answers are easy, always. Correct answers, logical answers sensible answers, provable answers are harder.
@@philipfarnam6013 ok and your point is?
If Frank has suffered I will listen, I won't listen to someone about suffering if he hasn't gone through excruciating suffering.
Great logic haha
@@stephenbarbaro8864 I guess what went right over you.
@@gordonmarshall3218 I’m happy for you to explain whatever it is you mean haha
@Gordon Marshall
Not everybody who suffered learned from suffering.
There is nobody existing who did not suffer.
@@e.l.243 There's the spiritual side of suffering, unless you experienced it! There is no words to describe. I agree everyone suffers to some degree.
He suffer attacks every day.
If you are talking about the biblical or quranic gods, they are in the midst of the suffering and doing nothing about it.
If you watch the whole video, you'll hear a great counter argument to your statement.
Sometimes they are the cause.Being persecuted for your sexual orientation? ..... blame god myths.
EN London Did Frank say those gods are not omnipresent? If not then there is no "great counter argument".
@@170221dn Really? Today? The only ones persecuted are those that oppose LGBT - Dr Turek himself was fired for writing a book.
Benita Almond
Depends where you live and which Christian sects have influence.
Because of Adam, sin entered the world and death by sin Rom5.
Death is the judgement for sin, even to those who did not sin after the manner of Adam's transgression.
God is no respecter of persons. Every transgression and disobedience received a just recompense of reward Heb2, and so it is today.
Sin is deceitful, therefore we don't acknowledge the consequences of it. Because the judgement of God is not executed speedily, men have set their hearts to do evil. Be not deceived, God is not mocked, whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.
Man is under two judgements, one for Adam's sin, and the other is for our own sins, the latter with the advent of the law.
The sentence for Adam's transgression is physical death, but eternal judgment, or the sentence of spiritual death is the lake of fire, the judgement for personal sins, being tormented in eternal flames. Jesus came to save us from spiritual death. It is appointed unto man once to die, but after that the judgement.
God chastens those he loves, that we might be partakers of his holiness. When we as Christians are chastened, we are judged of the Lord, that we should not be judged with the world.
But chastening is not pleasant but grievous, and may cause sickness and weakness, trials and afflictions, and a premature death, that we may be saved in the day of Christ.
But if we judge ourselves, we will not be judged.
We suffer for sinful deeds, but we also enter the sufferings of Christ, wherein we suffer for the sake of righteousness, which is a trial of one's faith. Wherefore it is written , He sent his word and tried them.
So, sin is the cause of suffering, but also the sufferings of Christ.
Grow in grace and in the knowledge of God and of Christ.