George Lucas Explains Why Obi-Wan Lied to Luke About His Father
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- Опубликовано: 10 фев 2025
- In the making of the return of the Jedi, George Lucas is going over many difference scenes, and in one short instance, he comes across a discussion with Marquand on the topic of Ben lying to Luke and why he wrote the story that way. Here’s the transcript.
Lucas: We also have to cope with another problem: Ben. How do we deal with Ben? We have to deal with Ben, even to the point of using Alec Guinness in one more ghost scene. I’ll get him to do it somehow. We have to do what is right for the plot and the story.
Marquand: Why did Ben not tell Luke?
Lucas: In the early script, I wrote that he wasn’t ready to be told.
Marquand: Well, I think that is true.
Lucas: If Luke had known, he wouldn’t have become a Jedi and he wouldn’t have been able to deal with it.
Marquand: I think that is absolutely true.
Lucas: That’s the most practical reason why.
Howard Kazanjian: He probably wouldn’t have learned in the same manner.
Lucas: For a lot of people there’s a big issue there, which we can’t skirt around.
Marquand: The fact that Ben lied.
Lucas: The fact that Ben lied, but he didn’t really lie; he didn’t really lie, because in the first film he says that Vader betrayed and murdered his father, which doesn’t necessarily mean that he killed him-but that the bad/Vader half of the person betrayed the good part of the person/the Skywalker half. It’s easily understood.
So right here I’ll interject to highlight this part that George mentions. The good half of Vader, which was Anakin. A lot of people make the misconception that Anakin was killed fully when he became Vader. This simply isn’t true and is more or less just click bait online. Anakin was subdued, maybe to a degree of a percentile, however he was never fully erased from Vader, as George even says about his character, that the good half of Vader, was Anakin at the time of Revenge of the Sith.
The 3 then go on to talk about how it was a problem that Ben lied to Luke in the first movie, but not as big of a problem as it became in the second one in regards to why he didn’t just tell Luke on Dagobah or at some point in the film. If we remember, at the end Luke is laying in the medical bed after Vader chopped his hand off, and while Vader is reaching out to him in the force, Luke is falling back and asking Ben why didn’t you tell me. This is kind of George’s way, I think, of him addressing that Ben should have told him and that Luke has this resentment towards him.
George’s answer to that is
Lucas: But I still tend to want to bring Ben into it. He’s one of the main characters and he’s still a strong presence. I sort of agree with Larry that the best way to handle that is to let him stay in another world and to say there is nothing more that he can do now and that Luke is a Jedi now and that his job is done. It could be a goodbye scene to Ben, which is, “I am never going to appear before you again …”
And the rest of the convo leads into them bringing Ben back as a shimmering ghost and the conversation leads into Luke being able to see force ghosts because he has that power, which I’ve made a video on recently.
So as we can see, it was important for Ben to lie to Luke, which I know a lot of people always had a gripe about, but it’s George’s understanding that if he had told Luke the truth, let’s say from the very beginning in a new hope, it would have completely pushed Luke away from training and wanting to learn about the force, which would have doomed the galaxy, that is, unless Ben went to teach Leia, which could be a cool fan-fiction for another time. I think in that scenario, Leia would be trained, and perhaps Luke would join the fight later on once he found out that Leia was his sister, perhaps Ben would tell him as a last ditch effort to get him to fight against the Empire and become a Jedi.
Do you think Ben should have told Luke the truth? Do you think George has a great point in regards to how he wrote the story, that Luke would really be pushed away from wanting to become a Jedi after finding out his father is Vader?
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"Luke, your father never died. He betrayed the Galactic Republic, I cut off his limbs and left him to die a violent death in a river of lava, and now he goes by the name of Darth Vader and spends his time killing anyone who annoys him. Also, you have a twin sister who's also a princess."
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Oh and I forgot to mention we completely ignored his feelings. when his mother was killed.
If he said that, bam... no lying!
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Obi-Wan, why didn’t you tell me? You told me Vader betrayed and murdered my father.
@Star Cabal A certain point of view?????
@@robertosalinas865 "Luke, you're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our point of view." -Obi-Wan's ghost.
@Star Cabal Obi-Wan: When I first knew him, your father was a great pilot, but I was amazed at how strongly the Force flowed through him. I took it upon myself to train him as a Jedi. I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong.
Qui-Gon: Actually, I asked you to train him.
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@@enegmatixerebro From a certain point of view.
George actually had a plan/outline for HIS trilogy. And when the inevitable plot holes and issues popped up, he addressed them accordingly. He didnt just tell his actors “ok, do whatever”
George knew what he was doing. He planned ahead as to fix the potholes in each movie. That is what makes him a fantastic creator of one of the greatest pop culture series.
Imagine creating an entire universe and all its characters, there thoughts fears and understanding them to a micro level and then being questioned as to why you wrote something one way. He knew Luke better than anyone.
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1:36 proof that Anakin actually fully embraced the "Dew It" mentality.
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Vader: "No, I am your father"
Luke: "Where that child support at?"
Vader: how about Empire my boy
Obi-Wan was just trying to protect Luke from thinking with his emotions and not his logic imo because he had been observing how immature he was at that point in his life.
most people will not take it well if one of their parents is a mass murderer that worked for a facist empire.
Obi-Wan is a very wise man. If Luke knew about Vader's true identity before Cloud City, things would've been far worse. He might've been even captured and groomed by Palpatine.
@@DeathScepter I also Obi and Yoda were afraid that Luke would try to see the good in him. They try to talk Luke out out seeing him several times and even say the only way to stop it all is to kill him. They needed Luke to be able to kill Vader with no remorse.
@@jeffolsen6970 Well Vader is a very evil man and lets face it, If he lived thru the ending of the Return of the Jedi, Rebels would have sentence him to death. Vader had lead assaults that killed many Rebel personals and other people during the 20 odd years of service in the Empire. True Vader did kill the Emperor but there is a lot of hard feelings due to Vader did.
@@DeathScepter yeah not saying they were wrong to think that at all. I think part of what makes Luke a great hero is that he saw the good even within the most evil person in the galaxy but it was definitely not the way the people lying to him about his father wanted him to about it.
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I honestly believe that Ben did the correct thing when it came to Luke.
Agreed. Maybe he thought there'd be more time. Maybe he planned on gradually revealing the full truth while he trained Luke.
I think he meant vader killed his old self anikin
I remember as a kid in the 80s no one really had a problem with this. Everyone understood Ben's reasoning.
yeah, it was kind of semantics. by embracing the dark side and becoming darth vader - annakin was dead. and yes, no one cared in the 80's.
Imagine telling a sheltered 19 year old that his long thought dead father is actually the biggest baddie in the galaxy and now he needs to learn space wizard magic (very quickly, I might add) to kill him, the emperor and save the galaxy from evil. That’s a lot to digest in one afternoon lol
Makes sense. Don't forget that Yoda explained to Luke on his deathbed had he not left Dagoba to 'rescue' Han and Leia, he would've learned the truth about his father through his Jedi training.
Sounds like a load of crap to me. "We planned to tell you we just never got around to it". Yeah right Yoda.
@@englishlady9797 But it makes sense - if Luke finished his training he would have cognitive tools to manage such a revelation. And with Obi-Wan dead it would be Luke that would have to face Vader and I belive Yoda would like to spare Luke the shock of learning the truth from Vader. But with Luke rushing forward it was actually safer for him not to know yet, as he was in emotional turmoil and would be much more afraid of confrontation for very different reasons than just "I'm going to fight Emperor's enforcer"
You also have to keep in mind part of Jedi training is controlling and mastering your emotions. Yoda was probably waiting until Luke had complete control over his emotions before telling him the truth. No weather that was a good idea or not is up for debate.
I always assumed Ben was afraid Luke would have tried to seek out Vader before he had any training and would have been inevitable that Luke falls to the dark side
That would make plenty of sense, since in the first movie, Luke sometimes let his emotions get the better of him, but later during his Jedi training, he learns to not only to cope with them, but learns to find the balance between emotion and logic, which makes him one of the greatest Jedi to ever live.
Nope, I've always assumed that Ben came to espouse the "no attachments" philpshphy and doubled down on it after Anakin's fall. He didn't tell him because he did not want inconvenient familal feelings to get int the way.
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How about a more pragmatic reason: Luke would have sought out his father and ended up getting convinced into joining him in the Empire's efforts to crush the rebellion.
When you recall that an unused version of _Return of the Jedi_ had Luke taking his dead father's helmet and becoming Vader, you realize it's not that far out of a possibility.
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I am positive they never had those kind of talks while writing the sequels.
They did, but in ep9 realizing they fucked up xd
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In retrospect it gives us a great early sampling of how Jedi were not above manipulating people, even those they care about, to serve what they interpret as the will of the Force.
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Honestly I think Ben was right in not telling luke.
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Possible what if video?
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Obiwan: Send Leia to be the Princess of a beautiful planet, to live a peaceful and prosperous life.
Also Obiawan: Oh, Luke? idk send him to the desert to be a farmer or something lol
Haha! That does bring up an interesting theory, though. What if Luke didn’t keep the name of Skywalker and had a different cover story (didn’t grow up on Tatooine, was raised by strangers). Would Vader have discovered his true identity as quickly?
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It was a great way to solve a story problem and best of all it feels natural. Having grown up on the films decades after their initial release, it's not something glaring or obvious. It just is. If the information wasn't available that it wasn't originally written that way, I don't see many people really noticing it, the same way most of us didn't realize the end of IV was saved in the editing room with voiceovers and inserted clips. Unless you know the hole was there and you're looking for the spots where they stitched in new pieces, you're not really aware of it. No retconning, just problem solving within the story organically. Bravo, Master Lucas!
Star Wars theory has gone over something like this a lot and I Enjoyed it all of the time
Can you do what if Vader never told Luke he was his father Luke would not have resisted to kill Vader in return of the Jedi
I highly recommend covering the Lords of the Sith novel bro. Trust me
If my estranged father had murdered a room full of innocent children and 95% of his co-workers, I probably would not want to know about it either...
I firmly believe that if Luke knew the truth, he would have pursued Vader and been taken in as his apprentice. Luke needed to see him as Vader first, and built an opinion based on his actions and not based on his relationship. This way, he can quest to redeem him and not to join him.
In a way, Obi-Wan saying Vader betrayed and murdered Luke’s father was a bit risky. Luke could have angrily sought revenge against Vader, which could’ve also been easily manipulated by the dark side. However, Luke never seems driven by vengeance-even in ESB, his confrontation with Vader is motivated out of loyalty and protecting his friends.
Of course, his fear of losing them, much like Anakin, was almost Luke’s undoing, but despite it all, Luke’s ability to resist revenge and embrace compassion was one of his greatest strengths.
Risky indeed, but it did work. It was a piece of the puzzle that helped drive him to learn as opposed to blindly act. Not all actions are vengeful or hostile. Luke may have wanted to meet his father out of curiosity or a drive to reestablish a bond he never had. Vader didn’t necessarily need anger to drive Luke to the dark side. He could have planted the seeds by offering him a father son relationship, or tempt with power to make the universe better. “We can rule as father and son!” “Ok dad, sounds pretty sweet!”
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The driving force behind stories is conflict. With conflict, there becomes a clear goal for the characters work through and overcome. Without conflict, there are no stakes nor development and thus no story to tell.
Vader: I see Obi-Wan has told you the truth about me..
Luke: Yes.. **activates lightsaber** but I'm your daddy now :P
"Many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view." - One of the best lines in all of Star Wars. I'm so glad they were able to cajole Alec Guinness back one more time to deliver it.
'Jar Jar Binks' was the Sir Alec Guinness to the Prequel Trilogy.
A true thespian!
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The intro sound fx sounds like Vader ripping a fat bong in a closet and he's asking me to join the sesh
1:53 In Charles Soule's Vader comics, there are butterflies representing the light of Anakin. The funny, happy, loving and caring person that lives inside Vader, and Vader can't hide it from himself.
I like what George gave us, but it's always interesting to think about the other options. Love the content btw keep doing what you love
Excellent video.
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A very long time ago, in a place called the 70s, I learned to read, and I loved it. Also I love movies. I learned that book readers look at a story differently than how movie fans look at the story. This is something that a director has to be aware of and think about. I feel that George would have been a natural story teller/author. I don't know it he's aware of it, but Star Wars movies seem to have both aspects. I know Star Wars was ment to be a movie, however as a bookster, I found the input that brings the story alive.
I believe that if Obi-Wan had told Luke the truth about his Father, that Luke would not have become a Jedi. So, I agree with Lucas's choice.
Hey Star Wars theory. Can’t wait for the second Vader episode to come out, and it’s inspiring me to make my own Star Wars fan film based on the AU story I made with my friends. Keep up your good work
Great video!
Ben not telling Luke right away is a good twist for both the audience and the characters. For the same reason a lot of series' have a big reveal saved for later as a surprise, the reveal in EP5 and the conversation Ben/Luke had in EP6 helps take us through the story. There wouldn't be a show/movie/etc if we were told everything off the bat in EP4. A story needs to be properly paced and the reveal was done in a way that EP6 didn't retcon EP4. Like Ben said, it's true from a certain point of view.
Sorryfor the off-topic, but could you make a video of why Vader wants to overthrow the emperor? I mean he begged Luke to join him and rule the galaxy together, which is against the rule of two. I always thought to myself that after Padmé died, Anakin stayed on the dark side to master that side of the force in order to somehow bring her back from the dead. So why would he want to overthrow the emperor, being the only one who could teach him in the ways of the dark side?
Again sorry for the off-topic. Love your content
What George said makes sense ! I always had in mind that if Luke found out Vader was his father, he would have easily joined him later on, as Luke would have a need of belonging. However, it would also make sense for Luke to reject anything that had to do with the Force, thus not wanting to be trained.
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I read the Thrawn trilogy a couple of years ago, hands down my favourite legends media.
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I always wondered what Luke's reaction would be, I can see him wanting to train to bring his father back, Luke has a lot of his mothers compassion in him
Here is a interesting theory:
Say Luke finds out early & turns away from the path of a Jedi as you said.
Well wouldn't you think he would then go back and confront his Aunt & Uncle about who his father is and see how much they knew. Which given that his Uncle already was trying to keep Luke from being like his father, wouldn't Luke go into a rage? Possibly activating some force abilities right when the storm troopers show up to get the Droids as originally written in the script?
Then if the troopers didn't automatically kill Luke they take him in to present him to Vader who then taps into Lukes mind and sees literally everything. That Ben is alive, that the droids are with him and he plans on rescuing Leia as well as the new knowledge that Luke is Vaders son.
I can only see Vader then taking Luke in as a apprentice and if Ben isn't Killed he takes Leia as an apprentice if he manages to successfully rescue her.
Just throwing this out there if you want to build on it!!!
It makes perfect sense that Ben didn't tell Luke straight away that Vader is Anakin and his father.
I would love to see a “what if” video about “would if Anakin never fell in love with Padme”🤔
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I never had a problem with how Obi-Wan told his version of events to Luke. If anything, it was an early example to me that the world is made up of semantics, or little white lies as many people call them. It was a learning experience, just like how I learned about Roman numerals when I asked my aunt why Empire was called Episode "V".
Also, everyone forgets that Obi-Wan planned to tell Luke the full truth as soon as they got to Alderaan to meet up with Leia and Bail Organa. The plan was to reunite the twins once the time was right. That would have been the appropriate moment to introduce them to the whole backstory. Yoda likely would have sensed it and possibly left Dagobah as well, or else summoned the twins there with Obi-Wan's guidance to train them both. That plan was detoured by the Death Star. But at the end of his duel with Vader, Obi-Wan saw Luke boarding the Falcon with Leia, and foresaw that everything would be all right in the end. Yes, it was rather manipulative of Obi-Wan. But not dishonest. He told farmboy Luke exactly what he needed to know, in his limited understanding at the time. The wrong information could have been catastrophic, driving him towards the Dark Side. Also, here's a side theory: the way that Luke was strung along with Han in competition for Leia's affection kept Han in the game - long enough for him to save the day at the Battle of Yavin, the rescue of Luke from the Wampa, and the escape to Cloud City. None of those events might have happened that way, if they had known that Luke and Leia were siblings all along. The three were locked in a love triangle that kept them fast friends and allies. Perhaps Han would have simply left the Rebels back at Yavin if it weren't for the "What if a princess and a guy like me" moment. So perhaps, in the will of the Force, it was all meant to be.
Luke ALWAYS goes to protect family and friends. It's his nature, and both Obi-Wan and Yoda knew that. And they knew he HAD to be strong in spirit and training to be able to fully face the truth and the consequences thereof. They figured either that it would make Luke run either away or TOWARDS Vader.
What they didn't expect is...he HAD that strength, or enough to not fall to the Dark Side. An IMMENSE willpower and center guiding heart towards the light. That's why Yoda says "no more training do you require. Already know you that which you need." Because in the end you can't teach what Luke had.
I never had a problem with this because Ben's explanation in Empire made sense to me. It's similar to how people feel about the Masons and other similar groups, they have their own belief system and to be one you have to understand that. Some people have to have that hard black and white way of looking at things when most of the time there's plenty of grey area to best explain things.
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I think also Ben didnt want him to be distracted by that fact. i think either way he would have chose to go find his father.(i would have) but he just would have approached it differently if he had known he was his father. going against someone is much less stressful when you dont think they are the person that made you.
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Great video.
I always liked Luke was much like his mother, who held out hope for Anikan. Would be top notch writing to have Ahsoka to come into contact with Luke & Leia and then venture to Padmes tomb on Naboo.
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4:01 If that's a stunt double, I never noticed that before. Or is that just my eyes not working right again?
What an insightful video
The was also a deleted part in Return of the Jedi when Yoda is dying when he tells Luke “Obi-Wan would have told long ago had I not let him” basically putting the blame on Yoda instead of Obi-Wan
George originally wasn't sure of the direction he wanted to go and how Kenobi's statement was true at that time. A hold over from the first draft. But he did a great job in folding that into the rest of the trilogy.
If Obi-Wan had been honest from the start, and told Luke that Vader was his father, it may have caused Luke to avoid his Jedi training for fear that he too could fall to the dark side of the Force. Perhaps that possible scenario is the reason that Obi-Wan decided to tell Luke the truth “from a certain point of view.”
People often gloss over how much Anakin's betrayal hurt Ben. His best friend, his brother in all but blood. He'd already lost his surrogate father and all of his friends and then he learns Anakin did it. I'd prefer to believe that Anakin died myself.
I think this definitely played a major role in Ben’s decision. And I’m sure Ben had struggled with what he would tell Luke when he asked about his father. There was a lot of pain and conflict masked behind Ben’s answer.
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even till this day i still wished that "Vader" survived after ep 6, Dawning the light suit the and maybe trained Luke and Leia and made them like Mace Windu to redeem himself for killing Mace in ep 3, knowing the light and dark side of the force but stayed on the light side etc. that would be a better Ep 7-9 so much better then what we have now.
It probably would make for a better sequel storyline, but in my opinion it would cheapen Anakin's legacy. At the end of ROTJ, he sacrificed himself for Luke and in doing so pulled himself back to the light side. Don't forget, he may have redeemed himself, but it's not as if his crimes would've just been forgotten. I feel like the theory itself works best as an alternate universe "what if" scenario, and not as the main ending.
I really miss this kind of planning, reasoning and story. Disney should've taken notes YEARS ago.
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See how one man's mind is at battle with story and plot and how this connects to that and end up with classics? Amazing how how with a whole team, none of this is currently done. But I digress. I'm glad George chose to go this route. It helped me come to a conclusion. When Ben said, 'From a certain point of view.' That was something that has stuck with me for decades! Truth is a point of view. Even in the opening crawl of ROTS he puts in there that there are heroes on both sides. Or just take Luke blowing up the Death Star. One view is hero, the other view is terrorist. Depending on your point of view comes your view of truth. Without George working it out to get that into the story, who knows if I'd ever learned that find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly on our own point of view. Plus, it's funny to see Luke's face when he replied: From a certain point of view? lol His tone and face, then Ben looked at him side eyed lol Bring George back lol
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Then he would’ve turned to the dark side & joined Sidious
I imagine Ben Kenobi could have told Luke "Darth Vader infected your father's mind with dark desires, took over his will, and took away your father. He is powerful indeed, but Vader's weakness lies in you, you just need ot be trained in how to break Vader's control over your father's mind." Which would give Luke hope. Or "Your father is no longer who he was, in his place is the sinister Darth Vader, a man of unspeakable cruelty who now controls your father's body. For your father to be free, you must defeat Vader."
Oohhh, I like this a lot! We need a theory video exploring this idea, please.
@@KS-cz9qc And I cooked this cover for Ben up on the fly. I mean, Luke is the new hope for the Galaxy in Star Wars.
Also, the sequel trilogy was absolute garbage. It's irrelevant now, but it's still garbage.
I think Obi-Wan was still dealing with some PTSD. And he couldn't bring himself to come to tell Luke. It's almost as if he convinced himself that Anakin was gone as a way to deal with the trauma of what happened. Sort of as a self-therapy mechanism. Obi-Wan saw it as Vader completely consuming Anakin. It wasn't the best way to go about it on Ben's part but it makes sense to me. This is pretty much headcanon but I think it has some weight to it. As a side note I think it would be interesting if they explore the effects of trauma and PTSD in the Kenobi series.
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Proof that retcons have always been in Star Wars, just that some are more well executed than others
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@@julia6298 I did read a couple of the new books. In my opinion, they're just not as good as the old ones, and as of now I haven't been able to find a singular reason for that. They just don't do a good job of investing you in the lore, plots and characters. Still leaps and bounds ahead of the ST, though.
@@SirBroccolingtonIII Well, there are exactly a couple of books in this New Era: "Light of the Jedi" and "Into the Dark" ("A Test of Courage" is good (and funny) too but you can miss it - it's for 8-12 years old). And in my opinion they as great as the best books from the EU. The new characters are very different from each other and easy to remember. They gave us images and video-introductions, interviews, and a whole show on the Era they are working on since 2014. Fans made some maps of relationships. The difference between the other books (single stories or finished trilogies) from Disney is you feel that it is only the beginning of something bigger.
I think Obi Wan should've told him, I'll explain everything once your training is done instead of lying
How would that conversation on Tatooine go?
Ben: "I don't know how to tell you this but you're actually the son of my former apprentice and greatest fallen Jedi of all time who is now teamed up with the only other being more powerful than him in the entire galaxy. Oh also they lead a galactic empire with basically unlimited resources."
Luke: "Sir this is a Wendy's."
Ben: "Yeah so you need to become a Jedi and stop them."
Luke: "Bro, I'm just returning your droids."
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To be quite honest, I think it was for the best when Obi-Wan told Luke how his father died the first time, even though Anakin truly never did. He clammed to be Darth Vadar after being seduced to the dark side by Darth Sidious. Allot could have changed the out come of the movie and Star Wars galaxy if Obi-Wan told Luke the truth about his father when they first met on Tatooine after Ben saved him.
Another thing that always bothered me...until the Clone Wars. Vader had no command of language.
"Come with me son, and together we'll rule the galaxy as one." Obviously, Luke heard "let's be evil together"
Perhaps
"Come, son. Before we continue this fight neither of us want, let's have a talk."
Would may have yielded a far different story. However, since the Clone Wars, I have learned Anakin simply spoke what he felt.
When Yoda in ROTJ learned from Luke that Vader had told Luke the truth Yoda called it unexpected. This is also part of the whole explanation. This is so much bigger than that Obi-Wan twisted the truth around to serve the greater good of the galaxy as a whole. In my opinion, Obi didn't lie but he was anything but honest either. To Obi Anakin WAS dead & Vader was what killed him. That is literary Obi's PTSD. But at the same time, Obi is not so far gone in his own personal traumas that it has given him total tunnel vision. He had to answer Luke's question in ANH with something but at the same time censor the truth so he went with what we all know he did. Luke wasn't ready. The risk of him no longer wanting to become a Jedi was too great if he would learn the truth too soon, OR that he'd seek out Vader just because he would wanna get to know his father! There was that possible risk as well. I have never believed that Obi enjoyed hiding the exact details from Luke but at the same time I also get the feeling that he always wanted Luke to see the truth as he did; that Anakin was dead & Vader killed him. This is why Obi even regards Vader as more machine than man, it's easier that way to regard him as two different people than the same one that he truthfully already is. In many ways, maybe Obi lied far more to himself than to Luke, because the pain of what happened & why still hurt him even when becoming a Force Ghost.
What I also really enjoy about Luke in ROTJ is that he does confront Obi-Wan about this, & Mark added just a slight touch of resentment in his voice initially in that conversation. Luke is not angry with Obi-Wan but he is deeply disappointed. It was one thing that Yoda doubted him but Ben? Luke feels hurt that Ben didn't think he was strong enough. And the deep irony about ROTJ is that by this point in time Luke IS strong enough to handle the truth & also see what Yoda & Obi-Wan most of all can't or even refuses to see = that Anakin Skywalker is still there, deep within Vader. By the time Luke asked about his father in ANH, he wasn't ready by a long shot. In TESB he was far from ready either. Yoda & Obi did the absolutely right thing & kept the real truth hidden from Luke. But in ROTJ Luke is not only ready & strong enough to finally deal with the truth, he sees a truth his own Masters are not capable of seeing, which becomes Anakin's redemption in the end. The Sith saw only one side. The Jedi saw another. But Luke found a third option & had the guts to go for it, risking everything. The whole point about this masterful story that Lucas gave us is that there is no right or wrong in the fact that Obi twisted the truth to serve his own ends in this war. It was the right thing to do but at the same time very unfair to Luke. But Luke was mature enough in ROTJ to put his disappointments aside & forgive Obi-Wan, that is one of Luke's strongest traits & also why he could resist the Dark Side although tempted by it. Luke lacked maturity & experience for a long time, yet he could see what not even his own teachers could see. And maybe they shouldn't have doubted his dedication (all that I have brought up here, BTW, totally contradicts what Ruin Johnson gave us in TLJ. But I know you are all smart enough to know that already even if Ruin thought he kept Luke totally in character. That Luke had totally lost the wisdom that even Obi & Yoda lacked by the time of TLJ is perhaps the greatest betrayal to the whole saga).
Finally, the truly great irony of the twisted truth of Obi's is the fact that it was Anakin/Vader that told Luke the truth. As if it all was maybe destined to happen, if that is what you choose to believe. Maybe things had gone wrong, as they feared, if Luke had learned the truth from any of his teachers. But that it came from Vader just made Luke stronger! Being forced (no pun intended) to deal with that & later accept it was one of his greatest challenges & Luke overcame it far better & stronger than either teachers or foes could have predicted. We all should also ask ourselves this, too - which goes back to that Yoda found it unexpected in the first place; WHY did Vader tell Luke the truth? He had already beaten him & all kinds of convincing to join him on the Dark Side & overthrow Palpatine could have waited for later. I don't have the answer but I guess that Vader told Luke the truth because, unlike Obi, he wanted his son to know what really was going on & had happened. Sure, he told Luke for personal gain, but I think there was more to it. That Vader, or rather Anakin that still existed within, was trying to reach his child. That was what Yoda called unexpected but for me it never has been. Wanna know why? To me, Anakin's redemption never started on the Second Death Star. As I see SW as a whole, Anakin started to return within Vader the moment he learned of Luke's existence. The moment he recognized that Luke SKYWALKER was HIS son! By recognizing Luke as his son Vader also recognized himself, still, as Anakin! Not even Yoda could vision this possibility! Hence why he called it unexpected. But this must've been the goodness Luke always refers to in ROTJ about his father. Anakin was lost, very lost. But he never left!
So, what Obi indeed told us was true... BUT from a certain point of view. And that many of the truths we cling to depends greatly on our own point of view. The OT is an out most masterpiece, people!
Beautifully stated! I think it’s also revealing that in Ep 3, we get to see Anakin’s reaction to discovering that he’s going to be a father. War-weary and exhausted, the unexpected news changes his countenance entirely and he chooses to embrace this moment with joy. I think this scene is important in SW because it shows that from the first moment he learned of his existence, Anakin has loved his son. Upon discovering Luke’s identity after ANH, I have to agree with you that this connection he had before Luke was even born was reawakened in Anakin, leading him back towards the path of redemption.
@@KS-cz9qc Absolutely true! The How It Should Have Ended RUclips series makes a funny gag out of this from all films Vader/Anakin is in but the gag works just because it's true. The very fact that his son, the child Anakin believed had died alongside his wife, is somehow miraculously still alive, is what rekindles Anakin within Vader. And reminds him that his real name & identity is Anakin Skywalker. Which means that nether Palpatine nor the Dark Side itself managed to totally obliterate Anakin. This is also why the redemption itself managed to work in ROTJ all the way. Still to this day we all can only imagine all that goes through Anakin's mind as Palpatine is nearly killing Luke with Force Lightning in front of him but I think everyone can agree that it's many old memories of joy & happier times, & sworn promises to protect his child once born. Those promises & that love turned out to be so much stronger than any evil, fear or darkness.
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He could have at least told Luke about Leia before that awkward moment on Hoth
To think that Obi Wan Kenobi had one of the most pivotal responsibilities to make in the fate of the galaxy. If he came out and told Luke the truth and Luke bailed on becoming a Jedi, the Death Stars would all become operational. Yavin and Endor would have been destroyed. The Empire would continue to rule much longer.