'22 Specialized Stumpjumper VS Pivot Trail 429: Head-to-Head Comparison & Review
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Here ya go, Spencer's screamin' T429 review! I suggest using the big x=screen and wearing your seatbelt: watch?v=EBDXLeTdxVE
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This review format is the best. Hearing your opinion and Tyler’s on the trail and off is excellent.
Thank you!!
Another great head-to-head review by Jay. He sets the standard for H/T//H reviews because he lets the bikes speak for themselves, this way he doesn't have to worry about politics or offending anybody, it is what it is, and they feel as they feel. All he does is give you as accurate description in what measure they feel different or similar to each other as possible. This saves us viewers time, because on our own it is exactly what we would have to do when making an expensive purchase, compare. He saves you time and money. I think after all these years other reviewers are starting to catch on and not be afraid to compare, but they don't have the experience that Jay does to make great comparisons. Here is to the original unapologetic H/T/H reviewer, here is to you Jay!
Wow, thank you!
Unreal meat slobbering
As always a perfect review! Thank you. I’m deciding between the new Stumpjumper, Trail 429 and the Tallboy. So this review is incredibly helpful. How does the tallboy compare to these two.
I’m riding the current Tallboy next week🤘
That was a great video review, Jason! - I'll bet I burned almost 20 calories watching ☺
haha thanks dude!
Great review. Looking forward to the 27.5 Revival war review b/w Shadowcat and Yeti’s new 135.
Really I would love to spend more time on the Shadowcat... that was the bike that helped me realize how little traction I actually had on my Stumpjumper lol. I demo'd it maybe a month after building up the Stumpy and was so high on the stumpy until I rode the Shadowcat and was like, "this bike is insane and glued to the ground even tho it has small tires haha" it was crazy. New SB135 look fun too!!
Have the Pivot Trail 429 Enduro Build for 18 months. Bought it after I watched your original video.The bigger fork Fox 36 Grip 2 and Fox rear Float X just make the bike that much better on long steep technical areas. It's like riding a 160 Enduro bike but climbs so much better. One bike that blurs categories.
100% this bike blurs categories... well put!
The harshness feeling from Stumpy is due to degressive shock tune and volume reducers in the negative air chamber. I retuned the shock from degressive tune to linear, removed the volume reducers from negative air chamber and the feel is completely different.
Wow, had no idea this was a thing...
I went one further and put a float X on it. I didn't want a trailduro bike like the stumpy evo, but wanted the stumpy to feel a bit more robust. I have it with a 36 and a float x and it's awesome. Still poppy and light on the rough, but more compliance than how it came.
Any tips on this? Building up a stumpy right now which will be my only bike coming from a 120 hardtail. I'm sure specs recommended settings will be vastly superior to my hardtail but if there are ways to improve it more I'm interested
@@audiophizile13 what type of trails are you riding or where are you located? That helps in determining what you should be targeting in a build.
@@allencolby I'm in wnc currently and will be riding pretty much everything the area offers which can vary a bit depending on the trail system. There are some trails that are half fireroad climbs, some that are technical up and down, some completely flow trails.
Thanks for all the work you put into these videos. You're absolutely right about going for feel instead of just looking at the numbers. Trail 429 and Ripley, DW for the win.
@echobenav8 Allied bc40 ftw
100% the fit and feel of the bike is key!
@@mtbyumyum It's amazing how bikes are very close these days. But physics stays the same. Longer wheelbase = lower head tube ange = longer travel, shorter = higher = shorter. I put a bunch of bikes into this sheet to share, when you plot the data, you can see everyone is pretty much in line. docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1zLzvTfFcj9Wr-yvqYxqP2Fg1MHXEMXGiDpp0O6N9wrY/edit?usp=sharing
wow, that's incredible. Nice work!! What bikes do you own and ride?
@@flow2tech That's the only Downcountry bike I'd consider trading my 429 for. But that seems more on the XC side of Downcountry, while the Trail 429 is more on the trail bike side of Downcountry. But in reality, for the majority of us "trail" riders, the Trail 429 might be the best balanced bike in terms of pedal efficiency, agility, and capability. I would definitely take the BC40 over the Ripley since to me the Ripley is too squirly downhill. if I'm going to trade capability for speed, why not get the lighter BC40 XC-ish bike?
Another fantastic video. I put a 140mm fork Pike on my 429 and what a difference. A bit of a weight penalty but wow, it’s a mini switchblade and 3lbs less weight
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I’ve owned both and similar to you currently own the SJ. I agree with everything you said but prefer the SJ. It’s more fun to ride over the pivot because it feels more racey like Tyler said. The SJ also feels quicker on the climbs. Last but not least the swat box is so nice to have.
All great points. Thanks for weighing in! I also love how quick the stumpy feels
I've had the V2 429 based off your bike review video and upgraded to the V3 429 based off your bike review video. I even bought the '21 Switchblade based off your bike review video. Pivot is just money. I've ridden other bikes and always come back to Pivot. These Head2Head videos are awesome.
Thanks for the kind words and glad you've found your bike brand!! The V2 T429 was more similar to the Stumpy actually... more "on rails" feeling. When Pivot moved the shock mount to the trunnion mount orientation it just opened up this bikes capability and status as the king of trail bikes. It's incredible what this bike is capable of!
Jason, great review as always, Question: You made the point the Pivot 429 feels "plush", which caught my attention, it's what I care about the most. (I own a 2014 Stumpy) let me ask you, in your opinion does the Pivot feel even more plush than the IBIS Ripley? or about the same, what are your thoughts between both bikes? (These three are on my radar) thanks.
Been waiting for this vid all winter. I’m a 429 fanboy and am looking forward to more head-to-head comparisons. Great content like always!!
Thank you!
Quick question: I am currently in the market for a 429, either the v2 or v3. What do you prefer, the horizontal or vertical rear shock?
They are very different bikes... the V2 is more snappy and very linier... the V3 is more damp and progressive.
I've had my Trail 429 for close to two years. it's such a great bike that I haven't been looking at anything else, until recently. The Yeti SB 120 looks noice....need a head to head Jason....🤞
Randy, I'm posting a sb120 vs T429 video next Tuesday!! Stay tuned!
My 2 cents. Short Travel Trail bikes are the ideal bike for my trails in Texas. I am fortunate enough to own multiple bikes, to name a few; Pívot 429 22,Ibis Ripley and Ripmo 22, Specialized Stumpjumper expert w control sl wheels 22, Specialized Epic 2018 and for me, nothing comes close to the Ripley and it’s DW link. I just think the DW link suspension is magical. It translates what you think to the trail almost instantaneously. I honestly do no think Pívot has the same effect. But to each their own, just wanted to share my experience.
Edwin, thank you for weighing in. I love it!! If you're new to the channel or not familiar with me, let me introduce myself... The Ibis Ripley is my favorite bike ever made and I've ridden one for the past 4 years!! I also spent a lot of time on the Exie last season but I completely agree with you! That said, I can hit the limits of the Ripley more easily than the T429.... I love that about the bike but it also makes the T429 a more well rounded bike in my experience. It's not as lively and fun as the Ripley but I would be able to handle more diverse situations and terrain better on the T429. Higher speeds for example over rougher terrain. The Ripley is incredible and well documented on my channel. Again, thanks for weighing in!!
I’ve been riding a trail 429 for four years and just picked up a stump jumper Evo. I agree with the comments 100% the 429 is super plush and feels super planted it grips like crazy on turns. The Evo’s strength is descending other than that I like the pivot 429.
Another awesome video! Do the head to head we all know you are dreading... Pivot Trail 494 Vs. Ibis Ripley! I am buying a bike this season for sure and keep going back and forth between these 2!
haha yeah, I don't think I could bring myself to do it. lol They're just different. The Ripley is soooo much more playful and lively. They just do things different and I think more people can hit the limits of the Ripley quicker than on the T429... and to be honest, that's what I love about the Ripley!!! I can really wring the life out of that bike and make it feel like I'm taking it for a ride so to speak. Some heavier riders might find it to flimsy or not substantial enough to really hammer on... I could be wrong but I really notice the difference between the Ripley and T429 when I ride them... I also notice the subtle deflections on the trail on the Ripley where the T429 really doesn't get pushed around too much. Who knows, maybe Tyler and I make it happen this season... we'll see haha Thanks!
@@mtbyumyum Hey I don't know if I've ever seen your thoughts anywhere on the "Lunch ride" version of the Ripley, I heard the Ibis employees enjoy bumping the fork up by 10mm so I wondered if you ever had the chance to see if this altered the feel of the bike too much
If you've thought about bumping to 140mm, just do it!! It's great and doesn't take away from the overall feel of the bike!
I have owned both of these and as a heavier rider the Pivot seamed harsh, like an XC bike with big legs. The stumpy seamed very controlled and calm in the corners and especially jumping. The pivot pedals more efficiently for sure. Maybe my weight allows the flex stays to flex better making it feel more plush. I am a Ripley fanboy...BIG TIME and it is the only short travel 29er worth owning. I sold it for an Evil Offering because I can only own one bike right now and the Ripley can't handle my "Lets go to the Hospital" kind of big days. Great video as usual Jason.
You are kidding, the Pivot felt less plush then the Stumpy? this caught my eye because I am considering both bikes and was leaning towards the 2019 Stumpy just before they changed away from the horst-link suspension because heard was plusher and smoother than the new one. That is really my #1 concern, plushness and I am a heavier 200 lbs. rider. Did you also own/ride the previous Stumpy?
haha Nicholas, thanks for weighing in!! I too am an Ibis Ripley fan boi and always end up comparing every new experience on a bike to the thrills of the Ripley!! The offering is a worthy trail bike and will get you to your "go to the hospital speeds" much quicker than the Ripley lol thanks again!!
31acruz, the previous stumpy is drastically different from the current stumpy. If you're loyal to the Specialized brand and want a plush trail bike, you would be better off going with the current stumpy evo and riding it in the steepest head tub setting at 65 degrees. It's an excellent trail bike but won't climb as well as the Trail 429 or Stumpjumper.
Bro I bought my Pivot 429 trail endurance last year and loving it. Can’t wait to take my bike out this weekend. Been road riding throughout late fall and winter because of the atmospheric river destroyed my local parks here in Northern California. Wanted to get the Ripley, but they didn’t have my size and ended up getting the 429 trail enduro xt/xtr. Your video just made me good about my bike.
That's awesome! Pumped for you to get out on it!!
429 all day! From smashing Moab, Draper Flow, bikepacking Durango to Moab it just never disappoints!
Very true! Although the T429 does have a limit, most people rarely every reach it and probably shouldn't be there anyway! I rode mine down NCS, Fireswamp, Thefts forest, Tsunami and other very aggressive double black trails and it's very impressive. I had to hold back some here and there and it would have been nice to have a Fox 36 up front at some speeds but over all these bike punches way above it's 120mm weight. To be fair, mine had a 140mm Pike...
Thanks for the review. Great work. What trails are you riding in the video?
Love this review. My wife and I are looking for a bike for her and we've kinda narrowed it down to these 2. Thanks, as always, Jason!
Glad you liked it! Good luck!
We need to get you on a Revel Ranger to see how it compares to the 429. Seems like despite the shorter travel, that's the bike that could give it a run for it's money in terms of being a downhill capable short-travel trail bike.
I've ridden the Ranger 4 times. It's most similar to the Ibis Ripley... much more playful and twitchy compared to the T429. It's a more nervous bike than the T429 for sure.
@@mtbyumyum i agree with this...i have the ranger....the front is twitchy and fast...the back is smooth and tracks anything....fits my tight pedaly trails well....my setup is really light 24.5 lbs...maybe the front is too light.
I still have my Ibis Ripmo v1 and Ripley AF. I can't look at any other bike 😅
Excellent Video, I appreciate your passion you put in your riding and the enthusiasm in the reporting. I appreciate the DW-Link suspension of switchblade, it works so well, so this vid is satisfying as it confirms my impression!
100% thank you!
How much more confidence do you have on the Switchblade vs the 429? Kinda debating between the two.
I know my opinion doesn’t carry the weight of Jason‘s, but I had the same question last winter. I probably did six months of research and went back-and-forth between both bikes frequently. I settled in on the 429 Enduro, and have never regretted it. Several of my friends still ride the switchblade, and I can easily keep up with them on the downhill and smoke them on the uphill. The 429 truly is the switchblade of bikes…. See you when I get there? Lol
It really just comes down to speed. If your average downhill speed is consistently over 18 mph you might be glad to be on the switchblade.
Great review. I agree re the rear suspension on these new Pivots. I love my Switchblade with a coil. Best rear suspension I’ve ever felt. Insane traction, climbs like mad and tracks the ground like no other. CBF is great too but doesn’t quite get up and go like the Pivot DW link.
Thanks for sharing!
Yo Bike Review man Happy Birthday Big Buddy 🎉rock on!
Thanks my man!!
I’m a 190 pound rider and T429 Enduro is poifect for getting up steep hills but bombing down with confidence. It’s getting so loose here in SoCal so fast after the rains. I’m even riding assegais front and rear and losing a little speed but staying upright is good.
Wow, yeah. That tire combo is meaty!!
Nice comparison. I just realized you swapped the 36 for a 34 on the stumpy build. I had a stumpy on order but changed last minute to a Smuggler. You gotta give that one a shot! It is so playful, poppy and a blast. Would love to hear your thoughts on that.
Yep, swapped the 36 out over the winter... the current 34 is so good I figured I'd give it a try. Looking forward to trying the new Smuggler... looks very interesting!
Have had my 429 trail for a few months now and it completely blows me away everytime I ride it! Can just do everything. This is an excellent comparison, love it!
Thank you and glad to hear your enjoying your T429 so much!
Purchased a 429 based on your reviews 12 months ago and this bike can do everything, certainly the best bike I’ve owned
Glad you're enjoying it David!
one of the comparison most were looking for.... hail to mtbyumyum
haha thank you!
Sold my Stumpjumper and bought a Ripley. Love it
Excellent choice!!!
Love the head to heads I'm a big fan of your channel 😉 I'm thinking of buying a stumpjumper pro but it comes with sram I've noticed your running shimano xtr the bike is on sale so I'll have enough money to change the brakes it comes with sram axs what do think 🤔 of axs vs XTR?
I really don't like AXS or any electronic shifting. I prefer the mechanical feel of shifting through the gears and I sort of preload the lever with my thumb as I'm riding so as to know exactly when it will shift.... I also prefer the "presence" of the bike..... the idea that I'm powering this machine on it's way is highly interesting to me. It's part of the experience for me I guess.... and I just love the way shimano stuff works.
I'm enjoying the efficiency and zippiness of my SJ. I adjust the shocks based on the terrain to add more suppleness and achieve more control as needed. I'd like to take the pivot for a spin one day.
I like the look of the 429 but I don't like the fact it has a pressfit bb
Nice comparison. Stumpjumper for the uphill and 429 for the downhiIl. So, I'd still pick an Ibis Ripley for the overall...LOL
haha yeah, I personally would still take a ripley w 140mm fork over any bike in the category haha That said, these two other bikes just do things the Ripley doesn't and the geo on the Stumpy is really just about perfect. With I had a Ripley with the Stumpy weight and geo.....
I think I'm selling the Stumpy :( It just seems a little too demanding sometimes and I want something more forgiving of bad riding, especially when fatigued. I nearly crash on the Stumpy much more often than on my previous bike (RM Instinct prev. gen). I found a listing on PB for a latest Instinct and a 429 Enduro, any thoughts on which might be more forgiving and provide best traction? 429 is a bit more expensive but would love to know thoughts.
Salt Cycles is offering crazy deals on T429's right now... at least call and see what they can do: 801-943-8502 Instinct is an awesome bike but maybe a bit too much bike for 90% of my rides... Salt has those too... I completely understand where you're coming from tho on a bike asking too much of you too often... gets sort of annoying to have to always be "on" Good luck!!
@MTB yum yum, what would you like to see Ibis do to the Ripley after the V4s? For that matter, this would apply to the Trail 429 and others also. Personally, I'd like to see the Ripley become slightly more progressive in the rear end and move to 130 while keeping the HTA and STA close to what it is now and spec it with a 140 fork (150 optional). In other words, separate it further from the Exie and then move the Ripmo to a true more modern Enduro bike. I'd allow the Ripley and T429 to take over the spot vacated by the SB130 and possibly Switchblade.
I rode the SB120 several times and it's impressive. I like that they didn't go too long or low or slack on the geometry, but the frame gained too much weight. I can tolerate the weight on the SB140, but it's too much for a SB120 when there are so many other great options like the Ripley, T429 and StumpJumper. I think Pivot and Ibis could modestly evolve their 120 platforms to own the space between 'Down Country' and trail/enduro 150-160 bikes. Keep the wheelbases for a M no more than 1220 and make them playful and robust. (last sentence should be L at 1220 and Minder 1200) My $0.02!
Sorry I missed you while you were in CA. I had bikes lined up for you and trails waiting!
Sadly I think you're right about the direction most brands are taking these 120mm bikes, the Ripley included. In a perfect world and if I was in charge over at Ibis I would keep the Ripmo what it is and what it was always meant to be.
The TRAIL KING!!! Leave it right where it is and take that ridiculous Fox 38 and X2 off and let it be what it is. 150mm Fox 36 and 147mm Float X shock.
Keep the the Ripley just how it is at 120mm dps and 130mm Fox 34. (optional 140mm) Keep sta where it is and slack the hta out to 65.5 or even 66 like the AF.... Keep the wheelbase under 1200 (1220 on a medium is WAY to much.... massive.... more than the current Ripmo, Stumpy Evo, Switchblade) The Ripley in my option should remain uber playful and lively....
Introduce a REAL big bike... call it the Mostduro for all I care.... 160mm X2/coil 170/180mm Fox 38 with 64 hta....
Like I said, sadly I don't see this happening..... my bet is the Ripley gets biggerer like everything else.... and it's so frustrating.. go look at basically any world xc track... theyre really rough these days and the riders are pushing their 100mm bikes to the absolute limits and even still high posting it some of these riders. A 5" bike like the Ripley is already so capable... why does the industry think every bike needs to be slackened out and lengthened out.... this is why I rode the Exie all last season and just built up another one for this season.... it's crazy fast, lively and plenty capable for 90% of the riders I see out on the trail.... sorry for the rant. 1220 wheelbase, no thank you!
Glad you filmed this last fall, before 3/5 of a house relocated itself to the Anns and Clarks climb trails. :D
haha Yeah, pretty wild what's going on up there. I hope they can get it cleared out quickly!
@@mtbyumyum If there's any consolation, the upper trail network is still largely closed from the past winter and the temporarily mobile home won't kill too much ride time. I hope.
Where does the SB130 fall with these two bikes. It's only got 130 mm of travel like the stumpjumper but seems much more burly. It has a sophisticated suspension platform like the pivot. Is the the SB130 be the best of both worlds.
The SB130 is a different category all together in my experience. Lots of suspension management in the Yeti, can handle a lot at basically any speed. Comparable to the Stumpy evo and Switchblade...
Hey Jason can you do a head to head with the 429 and the spur ?thanks for the content
Have you ridden the Enduro version yet?
I Purchased my 4 to 9 based off of your recommendation and it has been an absolute game changer for me. I’ve owned the bike for about 16 months now, and still get a smile on my face every time I write it.
I’m a NICA so most of my riding is XC. I love the fact. I can push hard and keep up with those kids (for the most part) and yet rip Captain, Ahab, Enchilada, Spinal Tap, Telegraph, etc.
In my opinion, the traction both up and downhill is virtually unmatched.
Thank you for all the videos and unbiased insights into these bikes. I love that you own the stumpy and yet still say how great the 429.
Yes!! Todd, you nailed what I love so much about the T429.... it's an excellent nica coach bike. With fast wheels and tires you can hang w the nica kids but it's substantial enough to ride even the most chunky trails in Utah! It's truly the goldilocks of trail bikes. Now for those of us that really what to open things up on the downhill you'll find the limits of the T429 but not most people. Most adults in their 30's, 40's and 50's aren't willing to open things up and hit speeds that require a bigger bike than where the T429s capability is. That said, you're wondering if the Enduro version would be interesting??? I never rode it because I just don't think it what this bike is about. I think the T429 should remain as light weight and nimble as possible. If you feel like you need a piggy back shock and fox 36, get the Switchblade. It's an incredible trail bike that climbs basically better than any trail bike on the market right now! I could see someone making a case for going 140mm fox 36 on a T429 but the rear end of the bike is so money I just wouldn't mess with replacing the DPS out back... its money!! Hope this helps. And yeah, I don't own a Pivot bike right now...
I ride an SB 130 and demoed a Trail 429 and for me it was a bit harsh and short on travel. More suspension than 130 120 for me, I decided. Trail 429 is the best climbing bike I've ridden but then I rode the enduro version and it didn't climb quite as well and was also not as nimble. If they made a Trail 429 that was 140 130 and light and climbs super well I'd buy it.
I think you might be onto something... I think we'll see more bikes going the direction of the Stumpjumper at 130/140mm in the future..
Your observations about the Stumpy's traction on the climbs maps with mine. It can slip on steeper climbs with loose chatter on the trail. On my trails there can be a lot of rocks and gravel on the climbs and there is a spot or two where the rear tire will slip just a little but then gain traction. Tires are a part of this. I ride Schwalbe Hans Dampfs, front and rear with really stiff casing. There are a lot of rocks and plenty are largish with sharp edges: these rocks are not your nice egg-like river bed variety. I had a similar experience with the stock Specialized tires so my personal choice for the Hans Dampfs might not make a difference regarding the traction while climbing on these specific trails.
I had the Ripley in a size large and there were two things that led me to switch. (1) Sizing. I am 6' with a 34" inseam. I kind of fall into a no-mans land between their sizing for Large and X-Large and I was not happy with my experiments with stem length, etc. S4 is spot on. (2) Geometry. 66.5 for a head tube length is perfect for most things, but the front end felt twitchy leaning hard into the corners.
I think this was a combination of wheelbase and head tube angle. The Stumpy corners like a dream. I am super curious about the Trail 429 given the Size L longer wheel base and bottom bracket height compared to the L Ripley. I am already invested now, so it may be a while.
Yeah, sizing is huge... I wish all brands followed Specialized and did S1-S6. I would also describe the Ripley as being more able to feel nervous or twitchy as a speed where the Stumpy would still feel controlled... T429 even more so. Thanks for weighing in!
Another great comparison!
I was so close to buying the stumpy but I went for the Tallboy. I would love to see the DW of the 429 vs the VPP of the Tallboy head to head. They share so many qualities that I think it would be a fun comparison. Thanks again.
The Tallboy is just such a well-rounded do everything short travel bike. Will be riding the new Tallboy either next week or in two weeks. Looking forward to it!
I have had this Trail 429 this past year. I am a huge Santa Cruz fan and love the Tallboy and will tell you the differences I have found. The closest thing in a short travel trail bike in downhill capability of the Tallboy is the Trail 429. The Trail 429 suspension is a little stiffer and is more precise when making windy turns because it has a quicker change of direction. It climbs faster than the Tallboy but the Tallboy is very efficient and there's no lost energy. The Tallboy won't get you up as fast as the Trail 429 but you won't be anymore tired because it gets there with no wasted energy and works great in technical climbs. Climbing, Santa Cruzes tend to have you climb seated and comfortable with their neutral positioning, while the Trail 429 encourages you to stand up and pedal hard a little more. The Trail 429 is more maneuverable in quick flowy, windy trails and I call it the Porsche of trail bikes (so is the Ripley). But the Tallboy rails on corners, especially with berms. The Trail 429 also rails on corners better than any short-travel trail bike I've tried besides the Tallboy. The Tallboy downhill is bottomless and plush, the 429 is bottomless but stiffer which helps in agility but also can seem a little harsher but less harsher than a let's say a Yeti in the same category. The Tallboy is the most capable & comfortable short-travel trail bike I've ridden, but the Trail 429 is the better in terms of overall balance uphill, downhill, in flowy windy trails, with a lot of quick punchy up/downs. The Trail 429 is the best definition of a light downcountry, yet very capable, trail bike.
@@REB4444 Thank you for your detailed comparison between the Tallboy and the T429. I still don’t have regret for buying my Tallboy, but I do wish that I would have given the Pivot more consideration. Maybe some day I’ll be able to do a comparison for my self. Thanks again.
@@freshiesat9 Both are very good choices. The Tallboy is so burly, your kids will be riding it 10 years later. It's the short-travel bike to ride if you still want to hang with the all-mountain/enduro buddies, wherever they want to go and not get as tired.
@@REB4444I’m gonna buy a 429 just because of this comment, it’s pushed me over the edge. Thanks man
Jayson, loved that you had definitive winner in the head to head.
This was an easy one!! Thank you!
@@mtbyumyum Happy you're finding time to upload more videos. I love what you do. Thanks!
So... Is this the goldilocks between the Ripley and the Ripmo?!?!?! Please?!?
The Ripmo with Float X shock and light weight wheels and tires is the goldilocks bike.... or the Ripley with Float X shock and Fox 36.... hahaha I really don't know!! The T429 feels pretty different from the Ibis bikes...
Great video as always👍
Maybe put a float X shock on the Specialized, the one with a piggyback reservoir on it. Would definitely help with the plushness.
Yeah, I think that's the logical next step.. thx!
I'm moving from a Pivot Firebird as an Enduro oriented long travel do it all bike into a Trail 429 which I'll be doing BC Bike Race on... I suspect I'll be hitting all the same trails I rode the Firebird on. We live in a magical age for mountain bikes.
Wow, fun! I would love to do that stage race some day. I'm not overly familiar with those trails but I wouldn't hesitate to take the T429 anywhere. I've also owned the current Firebird. Love that bike! Good luck on your race!
Another great video! Any plans on reviewing the new(ish) Hightower?
Would love to... just need to get my hands on one
Try that Stumpy w/o the carbon Enve hoops. I have a 2021 stumpy and the ride feel on it between my carbon Reserve 30 SLs and the stock aluminum Rovals is pretty drastic. The aluminum hoops with the same tires, at the same pressure, calm down the ride significantly.
Almost all the bikes I ride have carbon wheels these days and in this video both bikes had carbon wheels... in as much as I agree that alloy hoops are nice and feel softer, I think for the point of this video we nailed the "feeling" of these bikes really well. The Stumpy in my experience has this amazing speedy on rails feeling and that's just what the bike is! It's what I like so much about the bike. Incredibly zippy like it's about to take flight with every peddle stroke. It just finds rhythm from pumping into every turn and berm.
I rode my new 429 for the first time today. Sure is different after being on a 07’ Giant Anthem for the last 15 years. The 29’s will take some getting use to. But it just feels like such a quality bike. Can’t wait to not be a newb on it lol.
Nice! Congrats!!
Jason, excellent head to head . In few words where would you fit the Transition Spur in a comparison with these two bikes ?
The Spur was a little bit of a miss for me personally... maybe I just need to give it more time. I liked that it was light weight and affordable compared to other bikes in the category but it was less willing to zip through the tighter slower speed sections of trails. Would sort of stand up in the middle of a corner and blow the corner. Again, more time might have changed my mind but I couldn't at the time I demo'd it see passing up other great options like the Ripley and T429....
Great comparison! The 429 is pretty close to the perfect only bike. I only wish the large was slightly bigger or the xl was slightly smaller.
It would be really nice if all brands adopted the S1-S6 sizing that Specialized has... it's really nice and the S3 Specialized bikes fit me so well.
Did you up the volume spacer size in the Stumpjumper's shock?
Yes. I took the yellow .6 out and replaced it with the larger orange .8 spacer. I can still swap that out for the largest .95 at some point. The Stumpy actually feels pretty good in the low setting... for these rides filming this video we kept the bike in the high setting and it has been more difficult to tune and get feeling right in the high setting.
Thanks for the great content! I'm looking for a bike that would sit in between my marathon xc bike and my aggressive trail/light enduro bike. Considering SB120, Spur, and 429. Would love your thoughts on what you might choose. Thx in advance!
Uncertain of what your xc bike is I would say look at the Ripley or T429 depending on what you prefer... damp control plush feeling or more lively snappy sporty feeling. The Ripley would be my choice if I had 2 other mountain bikes.
@mtbyumyum xc is Canyon Lux. I live in San Diego so my trails are hilly with loose over hard and tons of rocks so I do enjoy plush. Thanks again for the quick response.
Would love to hear what you think of the new Smuggler, seems like that would be another rig in your wheelhouse.
Yeah, I'm interesting in checking out the Smuggler... wheelbase and sta has me a little concerned about how it will handle slower speed blue trails... even the Spur felt a bit unwilling to get through some of the tight spots
This work is best,,,, 🥰🥰🥰🥰
Has anybody here purchased the Trail 429 Enduro? Just curious if anyone wished they went with the extra squish up front with that Fox 36 vs. the non-Enduro's 34?
Love the review!! Would love to hear more about the tires: rekon/forecaster/dissector pictured in the video. I know you love the rekon, what’s your recommended front to go along with it in the rear? Thx!
I've got a handful of rides on this newly redesigned Forekaster. Jury is still out if it does anything for me more than the Rekon. I love the Rekon and just really know it and trust it. If the speeds aren't too high and terrain is moderate, for me, the Rekon has as much traction as any tire out there, rolls fast and durable enough. Forekaster might have a little more bite but not enough time to tell for sure yet... I'll keep riding it tho. Dissector, hard pass for me... put a few hundred miles on it when it first came out and meh... would rather be on a Rekon or if I need more traction/braking power/durability I'll go DHR or DHF
Thanks for the intell, really appreciate before I invest $90 and 6 mos of riding. You’re the man 🙌🏻
Hey @mtbyumyum. Have you tried the 429 in the higher setting aka “low”. I am still trying to dial the set up for my 429. I would enjoy hearing your thoughts on set up such as Fork, Shock, damping, Tires and tire pressure. Thanks for the content.
Which bike would you choose for riding day- and multi-day tours as well as trails in the Alps and a yearly Aplcrossing? I like some aspects of both bikes. I'm wondering if the Enduro Kit of the 429 would be a good choice, for the occasional apline trails, but then again, the Trail Kit makes so much sense on its own and is probably enough for 75% of my days/weekends. Does someone know the weight difference between the Trail and Enduro Kit? Should just be the heavier fork and shock, right? It should be pretty easy to get the Enduro Kit under 13kg with Carbon wheels and a lighter casette and crankset. Then again, I like the feeling of being on "rails" that you describe with the Stumpy.... It's hard to demo the two bikes in my area...
I actually rode the Stumpy again this morning and it was a blast... just don't ride it the same day or maybe within a day of riding the T429 or you'll be bummed about the traction. Honestly, if someone just buys the Stumpjumper and rides it all season I think they'll really like it. But when you ride the T429 the same day or recently after the Stumpy you'll wonder what you're doing on the Stumpy. Just sayin! And I had a blast on the Stumpy this morning and was glad to be on it... it's just not on the same level as the Pivot DW Link...
@@mtbyumyum Thanks for taking your time to answer. I found a dealer near me and will demo the T429 tomorrow.
@@mtbyumyum I will definitely buy a T429 after testing both bikes. Just have to decide between Trail/Enduro Version now. Probably will opt for the Trial version with the 130mm Fox34 w/ GRIP2 damper, it will be plenty enough for my type of riding.
I have a 429 and a firebird, I am asking myself if I need the firebird now?
haha yeah, interesting! I would say yes!
Have you had any issues with the pressed bottom bracket? Any annoying creaking? I’m so stuck between these two bikes. I keep going back and forth. I am a fan of the swat storage on the stumpy
Coming from Phoenix, I would have went with a 429, but the price vs the Stumpy was really hard to justify.
I demoed the Ripley vs the Stumpy, and felt like the Ripley was a mountain goat, and the Stumpy a rocket. The 429 geo is similar to the Ripley, so your similar assertions feel like validation.
Bingo... well said
I’m confused by this comment because isn’t the S works Stumpy he’s riding in this video go for 11,500 MSRP (on sale for 7500 rn) and the trail 429 retails for 7,500 on sale for 5500 on some sites. So I’m confused what stumpy is cheaper? I have a stumpjump comp alloy but that’s cheaper than the S works in this video
@@HtownRO At the time of my original comment, the standard Stumpy Expert was cheaper than Trail 429. I don’t race seriously so I'll never purchase or need a S Works version.
2:48 / 14:28 - The answer, of course, would be either an *_IBIS MOJO 4_* or a Pivot Trail-42 *_7_* 😉
How do you like those enve m6 bars? Been eyeing those
Love these bars! ENVE M6 Bar: bit.ly/3Cq4Lwc
Thanks for the review. I'd like to see pivot merge the 429 and Switchblade and do a 130mm rear with a 150mm fork. IMO that's perfect for an all purpose mtb. And I wish Pivot did a frame only. I really wanted a Pivot for my most recent build but couldn't get a frame only option.
Yeah, I think you're right. I see a lot of brands starting to fill in the 130mm category these days. I think bikes are climbing better than ever before so you can get away with a little more travel out back. No doubt about it, these 120-130mm bikes are the "goldilocks" of the trail bike world!!
I have the carbon SJ, and love it for all the descriptive reasons in the review. I use it on a variety of trails, and really value the way it feels versus a super-plush, bottomless feeling gnarly trail bike. Both bikes are definitely great, and it’s about the rider and where they ride.
I had both those and ended up keeping the SJ. I put on a Super Deluxe Ultimate shock on the SJ and it made a big difference in bottom out and plushness. Overall, both were excellent for me, but I just don't care for the super boost standard Pivot uses and lack of compatibility with other bikes. I think almost anyone would be thrilled with either of those bikes!
Can you share the specs/sizes on the Super Deluxe you put in yours? I might try the same.
Anthony, thanks for sharing. Yeah, the super boost is something to consider... I would be interested to ride the stumpy with a piggy back shock... after messing with that dps so much I think it's a natural next step for anyone looking to get more out of this bike. Thanks!
@@nckporter Thanks. I put on a 2023 Super Deluxe Ultimate in 190 x 45mm. They make two versions. One base version and one custom tuned for the SJ. I also switched to a Fox 36 factory. Makes the bike more progressive and trail-worthy.
@@akaktm can you link to where I can purchase the super deluxe ultimate with the SJ tune? I can’t seem to find it tuned for this generation of SJ. Thanks!
Nick, I'm going to try and find the Float X tune that comes on the LTD Stumpy mixed wheel bike....
The New Rocky Mountain Element is then better then those bikes.....
Love these comparison videos of the 429. Given how highly you think of the 429 I would be really interested to see how you thought it compared to the new Transition Smuggler if you were to ever get your hands on one!
Nice job man❤
Thanks!
Great head to head. I'd love to see 429 Enduro to the SB130 or new 140.
New 29er SB140 > basically everything else in the category. Really. It's very good! Review coming May 9th
@@mtbyumyum can't wait to see it. I had an old 429T but recently got a 130LR just before the 140 was released. I like it but really loved the Trail on the demos that I took it on, especially the enduro.
Probably like the stumpy evo then. Little more plush rear end with the horst link. Still climbs well and zippy also. Corners really well. Probably why Specialized makes both.
The evo is a whole different category than these two
@@DavidFoundCo Yes. I was just thinking it could still be a great option. He said he would love the plush suspension of the Pivot and the pedal and quick zippy feeling of the Specialized. That is pretty much the evo. Yes it have more travel but you can still adjust the head angle to 65.5 and run less sag 25% for that zippy feel. You will then have a bike that pedals really well and corners really well and responsive like the Stumpy (not exactly but pretty darn good) and be able to slay the downs as well on most terrain. Best of both worlds.
@@ssjj9584 yum yum already did a review on the evo and said it’s too much bike for the trail network in his area and too much bike for a one bike solution. I personally have a giant reign but the trails here in the front range CO call for a little more travel since it’s steep and rocky here. I’d say if you have the terrain for it it’s a good option otherwise it will be too much bike for blue trails
Hey guys! Thanks for weighing in! SA, I actually own a Stumpy evo right now haha it's just a different category bike for sure and doesn't have the feeling these two other bikes have.... probably due to the longer wheelbase and longer more stable chainstay length. Although I agree the evo feels more similiar to the T429 in that it gives you more control and sort of that more confidence stable feeling! The evo needs higher speeds to sort of wake it up too
I would love to see you do a sc blur tr review!
That would be fun. Riding the Tallboy next week!!
My buddy own the 429 and I own the stumpy. We both really loved this edit and both still love our bikes for their specific uses. Any chance of a review on the berd wheels? Im 50/50 on getting the Hawk30 on the big bike.
I absolutely love my Salt Cycles wheels with Berd spokes... I think they have special pricing right now too... give them a call. 801-943-8502 ask for Chris! I've been on them for 2 seasons now so yeah, I should probably make a video haha
Awesome
I’d love a Pivot 429 but here in Australia they are starting at $15,999.00 and there’s no way i could afford it 😢
wow, crazy
What psi are you running in the stumpy's DPS? Have you tried a larger volume spacer to increase the progressivity so you can reduce the pressure some? This should give you more plushness and traction.
191 psi and I weight 145 lbs (rider weight closer to 152 I'm guessing) Yes, I replaced the .6 yellow volume spacer with the orange .8 spacer. Considering puting the red .95 spacer in there tho...
seems like you just favor the dw--link....( *cough *ripley)....also you mentioned the revel!....you gotta get your hands on a revel ranger and test it on your trails!
The Ripley is my favorite bike! I've ridden the Ranger a handful of times... I really like it. Very similar to the Ripley actually.
@@mtbyumyum i have the ranger...and a giant trance x....was thinking of a stumpy....is it different enough?
I think your Trance is probably better than the stumpy.... just sayin!
@@mtbyumyum oh...that is interesting for sure...what do you favor from the trance over the stumpy? or is that another head to head? lol
haha wish I had time for a head to head... the suspension on Giant bikes is really good.... better than Specialized in my experience.
I hope you get to ride a Transition Smuggler soon, I think you’re gonna love it….
Yeah, I'd like to! Wheelbase looks long... similar to the Ripmo, SB140, Stumpy evo, Hightower group of bikes. Sort of makes me nervous.... Wheelbase and chainstay lengths play a major role in the bikes willingness to have fun at slower speeds or create more stability at higher speeds... I prefer bikes that are still fun at more moderate speeds. Twitchy and nervous bikes at 25 mph are a lot of fun at 17 mph... hope that makes sense?
@@mtbyumyum interested to know if you could define "have fun at slower speeds". Like you I've had the pleasure of lots of different bikes over the last few years, mine has been due to my willingness (obsession :) to pick up second hand frames build em up and flip them on as whole bikes.... Fun at slow speeds has not been a metric I've judged them by, but really interested by this concept. Your channel has been very inspiring BTW!
Hey, just seeing this now... Fun at slow speeds goes like this: For decades I've longboarded (long skateboards with wide trucks and you carving down big/steep paved roads) and you have to really be going pretty fast to get the board to carve and turn. under 10 mph isn't fun... they board wont do what it's supposed to do or if the hill isn't steep enough it just not that fun.... a few years ago I was introduced to Surf Skating... a Surf skateboard had a much shorter deck/board and the trucks are wildly different from that of a long board... they pivot... in any case, I can get a similar carving and turning sensation on flat ground under 7 mph that the long board would require a very steep hill and 15+ mph. So, the surf skate if FUN at shower speeds. Safer too!! Hope this helps. The point is some bikes need less speed to "come to life" other bikes like the Ibis Exie for example can feel very lively and energetic at a much slower speed than the Ibis Ripmo for example... and the Ripmo at slower speeds than a Santa Cruz Megatower... hope this all makes sense?
@@mtbyumyum Interesting..... its all to do with turning arch radius and the forces one experiences due to that arch. A long board will cut a shallower arch and the turning force experienced riding it will be less unless making said turn at speed, and hence you need to/can lean over less = less fun. The surf skate also has the advantage of the funky trucks so creating a really tight arc and so you can really lean it over at slow speed, assuming you have the grip..... Same goes for a bike, shorter wheelbase = tighter arc, = slower speed but experience similar forces, assuming the bike has the grip, and you can get yourself nice and centred to maximise the fun without wiping out.
Just curious was sag are you running on the bikes?
right in-between the blue and red line on the T429 and 13mm on the Stumpy.
Gotcha, so you running around 29% sag. I guess that's ok. I wonder would it be different if you drop 5 psi and run 13.5 mm or 30% sag would it be slightly different feel🤔
O dino no pedal de 100km do Inácio estava de muleta se já está pedalando!
Would love to see a comparison between the new transition smuggler and trail 429
Hoping to get a Smuggler soon...
Keep in mind the STJ comes in an S6 xxl / the Pivot XL trends L/XL.
Specialized like Santa Cruz & Trek have taken the Clydesdale rider into great consideration.
Many companies have not.
6 ft 5 riders like myself know this. 😊
Great point!
@@mtbyumyum like I would never feel the benefits of the pivot 429 which I used to own by the way, the original one- like you would at your size, however, the stumpjumper in an S6 would give me a fantastic fit with great geometry : above all.
There are so many big guys who ride now.
Lastly that dude you ride w is so efficient in everything he does; it’s motivating.
So I'm building a StumpJumper, and largely because of your video, I'm going with a 36". If you had it to do over again would you have gone with the 140 or 150?
or should I just scrap the whole project and buy a Pivot!
Haha hard to say… I was happy with the 140mm fork but the pivot has more traction. Good luck. Call chris and see what deal he can get you on the t429? 801-943-8502
When are you going to do a head to head between trail 429 and The Tallboy?
I'll be riding the current Tallboy either next week or in two weeks!!
Great videos! Why don’t you ever use pivots tool dock on your trail 429’s
Because I have this super rad minimal hip pack to hold all my tools!! When I swap bikes I need to have all my gear w me and the hip pack is perfect!
Should have thrown the sb120 in the mix
Next Tuesday will be the SB120 vs Trail 429
I wish pivot would drop the PF BB and the superboost
I've got zero complaints about pf bb... never had a problem with that. Super boost, yeah... can be a reason to look else where for some folks.
Great review! Interestingly I hated the 429. I thought it felt like a wet noodle. Great to hear and alternate opinion.
Wet noodle lol this might be the first time I've ever heard anyone refer to a Pivot bike as a noodle. haha In any case, if by wet you mean damp than yes! I agree ;)
@@mtbyumyum I think moist might be the better term here; a moist noodle... now I'm intrigued...
Sweet video!!
Thank you!! Great filming ;)
429 vs Ripley?
E bike 😆😂
@@mtbyumyum Yes, E bike reviews. I'm not getting any younger.
haha I actually think I'll spend some time doing some e bike reviews this year... we'll see. In any case, I think you know the answer.... Ripley!!
Ripley with a big ol Bafang motor jury rigged on it 😈
I have watched a bunch of your vid's on the SJ and you continue to mention the the bottoming out and the full use of travel. My question is, are you actually feeling any harsh bottom outs are you just basing that off of the visual of the o-ring? I ask because I had the same issue. The way you describe the ride feel would indicate that the shock has too much pressure. I had the same issue with using all the travel and I continued to increase the pressure and I did not like how it was riding. It was feeling harsh as you describe. Once I brought the PSI back down a bit and accepted that this bike uses a lot of the travel a lot of the time, it changed the whole ride feel and I love it now. With the extra volume spacer, I rarely have a harsh bottom out I can feel and if I do it is on a drop where it is warranted. So...question is....do you feel the bottom out or is the o-ring just telling you your using to much of the travel?
I typed this while watching the video. The further I watch, the further it would seem your PSI is too high. I know you know your stuff, so you don't need my comments but "almost hardtail, very rigid, slippage on rear tire, lack of traction, stiff, no pedal bob" would all indicate that rear suspension is too firm. Sag and travel usage are important, but if you removed the o-ring and ignored those and dropped your psi to 165-170ish (not sure what you are running it at), I wonder how it would feel. If you say that you are always feeling harsh bottom outs, then nevermind :) I use all my travel but rarely bottom it out.
Did you put any tokens in the rear shock? Can run lower PSI and add to the progressivity of the shock stroke.
Going to try this!
Thanks for weighing in everyone!! I have 191 psi in the can. I removed the yellow volume spacer for the second to largest spacer. That helped but still find the bottom on this very mild blue trails. For this bike to have proper sag, I can't go less than the 191 psi. The other thing to not is the bike is very sensitive to rebound input. One click on this dps shock makes a big difference. For me this speaks to the tune Specialized is using with Fox.... If I ad too much compression (say #3 setting) the bike feels like riding a 2x4... zaps the life out of the bike. The reality is this is a single pivot flex stays bike.... it's going to be lively and zippy feeling do to the lack of suspension management/control. The other thing worth mentioning is I had less bottom out or traction problems in the low setting. The bike actually had a fair bit better traction and I rode the bike as low as 180 psi. I prefer the low setting as well but for the object of this video and comparing to the T429 it made more sense to ride in the high setting.
@@mtbyumyum Yeah...at 191psi I can see why you feel the SJ rides the way it does. My rider weight is 145-150 and I am running 162 with 12 mm sag. Head scratcher on this one.