How do you guys feel about Live Action Anime Adaptations? How would you fix them? Do you have a series you’d want to see adapted? And if so who would you want to write/direct/ star in it. Let ya boy know
@@Johan21296 That’s because they’re trying to replicate the feel of anime dialogue but that never translates well cause it’s an unnatural way of speaking…that will sound even weirder in live action lol
There only been bad live actions cause the writers not only are not brave enough but are not creative enough to change the script to help it fit live action
Honestly, I'm not totally against live-action adaptations of anime but I just feel like anime is very difficult to translate over to a live-action setting. Regardless this is a great video
Thanks I appreciate it. I believe it’s possible to make good adaptations but like you said it’s pretty difficult. Either way good filmmakers will have workarounds for that
@@leonbrando9892 Yeah, I liked the live action of rurouni kenshin but every other live-action adaptation I hated, I just think the problem is that because anime is animated it's much more fluid while live-action seems much more clunky imo
@@Bluey-yq1nv It’s the same thing with Disney Live Actions. All the magic is in the animation so when you see it in live action it always looks soulless and lazy
@@Bluey-yq1nv And I’m not even asking for it to be a 1:1 adaptation. You have to take liberties with what you’re adapting anyway but it’s always the weirdest choices or changes they make that throws people off
I hope the one piece adaptation is as good as it looks right now, cause right now it looks like theres been a lot of love and care put into set/costume design and minor details.
The 2nd trailer does look infinitely better than the initial one. I’ll have to see if it sticks the landing but I know a lot of us are cautious but optimistic
I have to agree that anime works bc it is animated, but what film makers have to see is that live actions is different from anime and find that transition/translation. Like make changes with the way it’s shot or some of the writing, just like anime studios do with manga. They translate the manga into anime, that’s why some manga also don’t do well as anime bc of some of the shots or writing. Hope my tangent made sense lmao 😅
It makes perfect sense. They need to find that fine line for an adaptation to see what works for TV/Film format but they don’t seem to grasp that as yet and keep trying to emulate anime when it doesn’t work lol
@@DamianSzajnowski That’s what sucks about the whole thing, because of course they need to make artistic choices with an adaptation. It’s just ones that go against the series
oh wow, i just forgot how bad the aot movie was. i didn’t see it but from the yt reviews i watched, they changed the time settings and removed characters. another thing is they only do wacky battle anime like jojo or one piece. if they did bluelock it might look cheesy with the auras but every movie has some level of cheesiness.
That AOT movie was indeed a HOT mess lol. Blue Lock would be interesting to see how they’d get across how overly serious the characters take soccer but yeah they go for the battle Shonens cause they’re popular and they often look pretty scuffed 🤣
@@whyitmatters6906 I did hear about that. That was so upsetting. If we get people with track records like him or just a team that gives a shit we could be eating swell with these adaptations
There’s not a series I ever really want as a Live Action. Nothing about the live action medium would elevate anything I liked about the anime. The abilities, the world, characters, animation principles on display, camera angles, they are all things you can’t do irl. At least not easily. I liked the Speed Racer Live action, but that’s the only one I can think of right now. If you haven’t seen it maybe check it out.
Oh I’ve seen that back when it came out. Even played the game too. And yeah you hit the nail on the head with it. It’s not going to elevate it whatsoever. That’s why I made sure to say that these studios/writers need to make it have it’s own flare as a live action rather than trying to emulate anime because it doesn’t work in their favor
I'm thinking of the latest Saint Seiya live action movie. Fans hated it to an extreme, especially because the changes that were made to the characters and the plot were received as pointless and people thought they didn't make sense. I got to the conclusion that there is a big difference between Marvel (and DC and all other European and western comics in general) and manga/anime as source material. We had no problems with Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark because comic book fans had been used to a "new" Tony Stark every few years, so the MCU version was just another take on the character. Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Thor, they all had their characters AND ALSO they had their stories, but they had so many stories that none of us ever thought that a certain story IS the character. But Pegasus Seiya is inevitably tightly bound to his story. We never had to imagine him having a different origin story. We never had to conceive him doing anything different than going through the twelve temples of the Sanctuary. For us fans, there is no way Cassius is ever going to be anybody else than the Guy Who Loses the Cloth and Hates Seiya, But Then Sacrifices Himself To Save Him Because of Shaina, so when the Netflix series tried to come up with a different motivation for him we all said "why did they HAVE to change him?". Manga is more plot-focused than western comics, which are more character-based - even when they end up bending the character a bit. The comics themselves showed us Genius Tony, Leader Tony, Alcoholic Tony, Needs-His-Friends Tony, Almost-Evil Tony, Want-To-Build-A-Family Tony, and they did that across sixty years. The manga books instead showed us Flamboyant-And-Righteous Seiya fighting an enemy, then another, then yet another one, and that's it. What's the room for an adaptation that doesn't get hate?
I was just thinking about the Saint Seiya live action because a friend told me to check it out and it looked rough lol. I know with Iron Man 1. Marvel managed to take a C-B level hero and made him a household name because outside of comic book heads he wasn’t relatively or cared for as much as a lot of other heroes so when we got what we did it was fantastic. There are several adaptations that don’t get hate. -Perfect Blue -The Godfather -Majority of Ghibli Films -Harry Potter films -Sam Raimi Spider-Man films I know with discussions of adaptations the changes just can’t be egregious. You can definitely have alterations but a lot of the times the studio/writers end up doing a lot more than needed and it doesn’t pan out
@@leonbrando9892 I have to admit I don't know many of the examples you made. But I can tell that Spider-Man and Harry Potter were adaptations that were "respectful" of the source material. Imagine Cassios sacrificing himself for Seiya anywhere but at the Leo Temple: there would be an outrage. Imagine Eren Jäger being forced to attack Marley because Levi wants him to, or Yoshikage Kira having any motivation other than being a psychopath: outrage. The thing is that these characters live their adventure and then they die. Iron Man was C class, but Thor was not, Hulk was not: their adaptation worked because the writers were able to adapt a character rather than an adventure.
@@SimoneSaviolo It’s funny you say that because people didn’t like Hulk in “The Incredible Hulk” but they loved him in “The Avengers” and onward and then people warmed up to Thor in “Thor Ragnarok” and he became BELOVED in “Infinity War”. And yeah exactly as you said. A lot of the time with anime live actions they make the weirdest changes to characters. Like on Netflix’s Death Note. Outside of changing his last name. Light is a bumbling idiot that simps for Misa or in this case Mia and isn’t calculating or cunning in the slightest. The exact opposite of his character. Netflix’s Bebop made Faye an extremely unlikable and annoying character that had any and all layers of her character stripped away. Vicious was a joke and looked like one too and all the dialogue was unnatural. When adapting they don’t look and see what made these original works work outside of them being animated
I think one problem is that nearly every amime I see get adapted is a shonen. Don't get me wrong I love my shonen as much the next guy, but it is like the worst genre to adapted. Why not a sport anime like Haikyuu or Slam Dunk, or even a romance anime like Your Lie in April. Just any genre that isn't shonen.
It’s funny because someone else mentioned that Kaguya-Sama Love is War for adapted and I remember seeing it and I was like “Man this is also pretty bad” it’s another Shonen Jump title but not a battle shonen but even with that it fell through. Haikyuu would be amazing. Slam Dunk could work, Prince of Tennis, Captain Tsubasa the list goes on and on of stuff that could work but they’d rather go for the most popular IP
I've had takes on anime adaptations (and video game adaptations) before. I don't 100% agree that a shot for shot adaptation is bad, albeit more so when it comes to video game adaptations because some people just can't play video games. But also I think of how anime like Monster is pretty much 1:1 with the manga. I do think studios shoot themselves in the foot by just adapting popular brands or classics though. Like Akira is a visual spectacle for its animation, having it be live action would be a downgrade from the get go (And having Taika Waititi attached isn't going to help) The interviews I saw of the Netflix Bebop showrunners just demonstrated they were in over their heads. Honestly, give me some adaptation of something that has serious flaws that can be fixed with an adaptation. The Godfather book has an infamous subplot about the details of Sonny's love life that was just removed from the movies. Similatly there's a pointless affair subplot in the Jaws book that was gotten rid of in the movie. A huge reason I'd argue the MCU worked is that they wisely got rid of some weird comic book stuff, at least initially. To paraphrase Bruce Lee 'Keep what works, get rid of what doesn't.'
Beautiful comment and I’m so happy you brought up the Godfather because Coppola HATED that book with a passion lol. I know The Boys did splendid with an adaptation due to the state of the comic and they took what worked and then made everything revolve around it and it was amazing. Adaptations are all about trimming the fat and like you quoted you keep what works. You don’t need EVERYTHING to be in your adaptation. And you can even add things that still keep the integrity of the source material at hand. Another great example of an adaptation fixing something heavily flawed was Perfect Blue. If anyone ever read the novel they’d see how ridiculous it ended up being but Satoshi Kon being the God that he is managed to make a master class that still gets brought up to this day and is still culturally relevant
@leonbrando9892 Thanks for the compliment! Garth Ennis and Mark Millar have a ton of comics (and hot take but Alan Moore in his later works) fall into the camp of trying to be so edgy that it ends up just comes off as pathetic. I mean, my favorite anime is Hellsing Ultimate, my favorite manga is Dorohedoro, so I'm ok with edgy stuff, but idk those feel earned and not gratuitous. Speaking of books, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up Heinlein and Veerhoven with Starship Troopers. Where Veerhoven just went 180 on the message of the book for the better. And there's a bunch of Stephen King examples, from the positive changes (Shawshank Redemption, It*), to the iffy (The Shining. I like the movie better, but the novel has its ardent defenders, King himself among them) to the horrible (Lawnmower Man, Tommyknockers, Langoliers, Dreamcatchers) *Shawshank just has improvements made to narrative pacing and characterization and removes extraneous details....and as for It....uh........I think we all know why.
@@CrocvsGator I’m a big fan of Mark Millar. One of my favorite comics of all time is Kickass and I love Kingsman. I’ve always respected him as a writer. And for IT I know they wanted that certain scene to be in the film and they ended up not going through with it 🤣🤣
@@CrocvsGatorMan Wanted lol. I’ll never forget watching that movie with my cousin back when it came out. Boy was that a time. Did you ever get around to Supercrooks? It’s nice to converse with someone that knows about comics
This is just my thought, I think live action adaption can work if they choose IP that more grounded in reality which is why Battle Royale, Oldboy & Rurouni Kenshin work so well. But on the downside it probably end up in poor execution because the director do not understand the point of the source material while trying to adapt it in their own style of writing.
Yeah I feel in order to build up some rapport and to get in peoples good graces with these sort of things would be to do smaller series. And then later on tackle the bigger series now with a common understanding of what it is they’re doing
Unfortunately I have and that still bothers me. You had someone who knows the IP in and out and wants better for the adaptation and they pretty much told him to fuck off. Sucks man
@@AnonOracle It’s so sad. Because Witcher was already an adaptation from book to game and those are widely beloved. And you knock it out of the park with the live action adaptation but then you screw over Cavill like that. Sucks. Turned off a lot of fans for that move
@@leonbrando9892 but part of the reason it's so great is because it's animated. I don't get why they want everything live action.. Kids will like it maybe but older stuff for older people I don't know
@@changowowowoezzy9617 They believe they can tap into a wider audience. The ones that don’t necessarily care to see animated content and will only watch live action stuff. And also try to play into anime fans but anime fans don’t usually want these things lol
I agree with most of your points here... but I disagree on the 2006 Death Note live-action films. Those are still my favorite adaptation of the manga yet (yes, even over the anime). They may not have aged well in terms of CGI, but many of the adaptational changes were for the better in adapting a 12-volume manga into two feature-length films.
I know with Death Note people usually go back and forth over how the story is told. And I’ve reread the manga several times over now and seen the anime. You’re probably the first person I’ve seen that prefers that over the anime which is interesting. I saw the attempt made but I’d rather go with the anime personally
I think anime can be translated to live action its just the budget and the care put into the movie is very lazy and realistically anime dialogue is bad so when its on tv and a regular guy actally says that outloud its just corny
That’s where the workarounds come in essentially. Dialogue as a whole is more difficult to write than people know, so they’d have to see how it is in the source material and fine tune it so that it sounds believable to us. I alluded to that when I said have someone with an objective understanding of the work handle these things. In time all of this can very much happen
Casting is also another big factor in these things. I appreciate them going for not exactly notable names but it also comes down to who they cast and the script because you could even have a phenomenal actor but they can’t work with a bad script. Only so much they can do
That’s because Anno is the fucking GOAT lol and he has such a love and understanding for the things he wants to adapt so he pays a lot of attention to what he works on and spends time on it
@@wbbooth I recently saw Shin Kamen Rider the other day with friends and it was great. I’m so happy for that man. He got out of his rut with depression. Happily married. Ended off Evangelion on a beautiful note and tied up all loose ends. And he’s able to work on more projects. Congrats to him man truly
@@leonbrando9892 Check out his full live action movie Shiki-Jitsu (2000) if you haven't seen it already. It's much more grounded than his anime and tokusatsu related work but a beautiful and engaging movie. The protagonist is almost a mirror image of Anno himself and the female lead is played by Stephen Segal's daughter. You can find it streaming for free with English subs online.
Anime in general, is extreme in terms of dialogue and movement. The reason in my opinion as of why it fails is due to the fact they have low level of extremism in character reaction, character abilities, and last but not least, the camera angle. To conclude my point, the anime characters drawing style goes numb when became real actors due to the sheer difference in body, face, and hair design. MC nad DC are close to real humans while manga/anime have a unique look to them 😅
Yeah it’s a very exaggerated medium to adapt so that’s why it’s up to the filmmakers to be able to be able to get across what makes it work while also not trying too hard to be anime because that’s not going to come across well. They’d have to tone it down because some of these series gets INSANE with what’s going on lol
@@leonbrando9892 I would, at least, have them make super power abilities show extreme outcome just as the anime ones do, as one thing I hated about live actions is the poor and humble showcase of it. I can't ignore the fact it is live-action, so they can at least have some painful outcome. of receiving such damage.
@@lovepeace5809 That is interesting actually because the way it’s usually handled in manga/anime is that they’ll have that inner monologue going over how much damage they’re sustaining. This will be a case by case thing but that’s something I never heard someone mention before.
@@mrkaji8913 I don’t feel like the Mario movie was underrated at all. It was a really good movie that people were looking forward too. I know in the beginning it got some hate because Illumination was animating it and they hate Minions but once people got over that. Movie was a really good time and made BANK at the Box Office
@@mrkaji8913 Yeah it was great. I’m glad that it was so successful at the box office and grossed so much money. Now Nintendo is looking at other IP’s for adaptations. It’s really nice
I saw the first spider-man into the spider-verse movie. I thought it was good. Plus I think we might get a spectacular spider-man season 3, there’s hints of it
Willem Dafoe as Ryuk was a casting decision I didn’t know would turn out so amazingly lol. Like I never thought in my mind to have him as that but because he’s such a talented individual. He pulled it off
I think it can work with the right creatives. You can see some anime infulence in the action scenes in more recent films like The Kingsman francise. What will never work 1 to 1 are some of the common character tropes in anime. The childish quick to anger types like Ed from Full Metal Alchemist, Naruto, Bakugo from My Hero Academia. The overly pervey characters, and just the overall bizzare characters like Edward in Cowboy Bee Bop. The can be fun characters in animation but will not work as a real human. I think it is best to adapt ideas and concepts from Anime but not Anime itself. It would be easier to accept something inspired by Naruto than to actually see a live action Naruto. That said stuff like Full Metal Panic could work if you got rid of the sillier highschool bits.
Kingsman was based on the comic book so that’s what gives it that feel of being animated. And I 1000% agree with what you’re saying too. Instead of trying to adapt anime itself. Take from the concepts and build off of them. Because trying to emulate an animated experience in live action won’t work
bro said nothing about the upcoming One Piece Netflix adaptation that's on the thumbnail you better pick a side so we can inevitably disagree with you😂
I said in a comment before that the 2nd trailer looked better but realistically my expectations aren’t high in the slightest. As for the thumbnail…I just thought it was funny to me 🤣. Also if I said it looks good or bad do you disagree with me regardless of what I choose? Lol
So it does work and you have examples of it...? Truth is, there have been anime adaptations that people didn't like, and those are used as an argument against new stuff. Just don't judge something based on the fact that it's a "live action adaptation." Just watch it and judge it based on its own merits (or don't watch and let it be. Hate is not required)
But it is an adaptation…you can’t separate it when that’s the purpose of it. If anything anime adaptations are looked at harsher than live action ones. I used examples that worked but I also stated that these are so few and far between. Video Game Adaptations were awful for a while until recently they started to get a lot better. Yes people are going to use what they have prior because that’s what we have. That’s true in anything. If you’ve received 20 bad adaptations and another one comes out. You’re not going to go into the next one with excitement. If you want it to be treated as something other than an adaptation then don’t use the IP
@@leonbrando9892 I'm not asking to separate anything other than one film from another. Seeing 5 bad movies from any category doesn't mean the next one is also going to be bad. We shouldn't raise our biases and past experiences to the level of prejudice toward the next thing
@@brixan... I’m looking at it as a singular thing. For example. If Bethesda gave you 5 bad games. The 6th one is going to look iffy to you based on what you got prior. People just don’t want to gamble anymore after they’ve been burned other times before.
@@leonbrando9892 I agree, a group can earn a reputation for their work, but I wouldn't judge the work of a different team based on work by other people. I can't say "the Dragon Ball Z movie was bad, so the One Piece show will be bad." Especially when we do have good examples of anime adaptations...
@@brixan... What sucks is that there are more examples of these adaptations not working than when they do. It just depends on how they do it. One Piece I know is going to be a bitch to adapt but I’ll see how it goes. I give everything a fair shot. I just don’t have high expectations is all
It’s possible. I gave examples of really good live action adaptations. It just depends on the kind of series they take and who’s behind the project. It’s not easy but comics/games/books have gotten really good adaptations. Even board games have good adaptations to live action lol
Not gonna lie, I really enjoyed the live action cowboy bebop. I feel like majority of critics were over critical and if you just sit back and enjoy the show its good. Personally I think why a lot of live action anime don't meet anime viewer enjoyment is because we got bullied for liking anime, so fans feel like they gotta be feral over defending it/attacking it (Mob mentality type beat). Shows like cowboy bebop live action just shows how most anime is goofy / cringy (even the cool ones) and that wake up call was too much for some fans. I feel a lot of upcoming hate for the one piece live action show and you even used it as thumbnail without talking about it directly. I think its gonna be a super good show if you just watch as a show and dont treat it likes its gotta be the next sopranos / breaking bad.
Thing is too right. Even if you set it aside as a show on its own. It’s still a mess with its disjointed dialogue and weird tonal shifts. This could’ve been something else entirely but they wanted the Bebop name because of the weight it carries. I don’t agree at all with the notion of they have to trash it due to being bullied people watched the show and noticed how bad the writing is and called it out for it. A lot of it isn’t good because it’s not good. I don’t think anyone is going into these adaptations expecting Breaking Bad. They just want an adaptation that can be faithful/respectful to the source material. It took a long while before Superhero adaptations got good and even those don’t follow the comics beat for beat but they were good films/shows as a whole. For example Invincible and The Boys don’t follow their comics that faithfully but they’re great adaptations and great pieces of media as a whole
There’s literally no laziness whatsoever in the live action one piece so hold this dislike 👎 And the live action one piece will prove that live action anime can work if done really well
How do you guys feel about Live Action Anime Adaptations? How would you fix them? Do you have a series you’d want to see adapted? And if so who would you want to write/direct/ star in it. Let ya boy know
i’d like any hot japanese woman to play mai sakurajima in a bunny girl senpai live action. no specific reason
@@MrDuckerson I like the way you think 🤣🤣🤣
im not sure but some of the dialogue sounds forced and a little corny in some live action anime's 😭but im still gonna watch that one piece live action
@@Johan21296 That’s because they’re trying to replicate the feel of anime dialogue but that never translates well cause it’s an unnatural way of speaking…that will sound even weirder in live action lol
There only been bad live actions cause the writers not only are not brave enough but are not creative enough to change the script to help it fit live action
Honestly, I'm not totally against live-action adaptations of anime but I just feel like anime is very difficult to translate over to a live-action setting. Regardless this is a great video
Thanks I appreciate it. I believe it’s possible to make good adaptations but like you said it’s pretty difficult. Either way good filmmakers will have workarounds for that
@@leonbrando9892 Yeah, I liked the live action of rurouni kenshin but every other live-action adaptation I hated, I just think the problem is that because anime is animated it's much more fluid while live-action seems much more clunky imo
@@Bluey-yq1nv It’s the same thing with Disney Live Actions. All the magic is in the animation so when you see it in live action it always looks soulless and lazy
@@leonbrando9892 Yeah exactly, another problem is that they're not faithful to the source material
@@Bluey-yq1nv And I’m not even asking for it to be a 1:1 adaptation. You have to take liberties with what you’re adapting anyway but it’s always the weirdest choices or changes they make that throws people off
I hope the one piece adaptation is as good as it looks right now, cause right now it looks like theres been a lot of love and care put into set/costume design and minor details.
The 2nd trailer does look infinitely better than the initial one. I’ll have to see if it sticks the landing but I know a lot of us are cautious but optimistic
@@leonbrando9892it looks absoy shit. Characters don’t even fit at all
I have to agree that anime works bc it is animated, but what film makers have to see is that live actions is different from anime and find that transition/translation. Like make changes with the way it’s shot or some of the writing, just like anime studios do with manga. They translate the manga into anime, that’s why some manga also don’t do well as anime bc of some of the shots or writing. Hope my tangent made sense lmao 😅
It makes perfect sense. They need to find that fine line for an adaptation to see what works for TV/Film format but they don’t seem to grasp that as yet and keep trying to emulate anime when it doesn’t work lol
The thing is, their artistic choices for said differences tend to be for the worse. Much worse. Death Note, Dragon Ball live action. 👀
@@DamianSzajnowski That’s what sucks about the whole thing, because of course they need to make artistic choices with an adaptation. It’s just ones that go against the series
oh wow, i just forgot how bad the aot movie was. i didn’t see it but from the yt reviews i watched, they changed the time settings and removed characters. another thing is they only do wacky battle anime like jojo or one piece. if they did bluelock it might look cheesy with the auras but every movie has some level of cheesiness.
That AOT movie was indeed a HOT mess lol. Blue Lock would be interesting to see how they’d get across how overly serious the characters take soccer but yeah they go for the battle Shonens cause they’re popular and they often look pretty scuffed 🤣
need netflix germany to do a Monster adaptation
That would be something but it all falls down to who’s directing it/writing it etc
And make it in german language
@@theplotarmoredtitan5781 Trying for it to be truly authentic
Guilherme del toro almost made a Monster Adaptation to HBO. Sadly it never went past the initial writing/pitching process.
@@whyitmatters6906 I did hear about that. That was so upsetting. If we get people with track records like him or just a team that gives a shit we could be eating swell with these adaptations
0:51 personally, the medium doesn’t really matter it’s just the writing and message
The medium is very important in how the story is told. With this they just have find a way to make it work for which one they choose
@@leonbrando9892 okay okay, just look at the last of us
There’s not a series I ever really want as a Live Action. Nothing about the live action medium would elevate anything I liked about the anime. The abilities, the world, characters, animation principles on display, camera angles, they are all things you can’t do irl. At least not easily.
I liked the Speed Racer Live action, but that’s the only one I can think of right now. If you haven’t seen it maybe check it out.
Oh I’ve seen that back when it came out. Even played the game too. And yeah you hit the nail on the head with it. It’s not going to elevate it whatsoever. That’s why I made sure to say that these studios/writers need to make it have it’s own flare as a live action rather than trying to emulate anime because it doesn’t work in their favor
I'm thinking of the latest Saint Seiya live action movie. Fans hated it to an extreme, especially because the changes that were made to the characters and the plot were received as pointless and people thought they didn't make sense. I got to the conclusion that there is a big difference between Marvel (and DC and all other European and western comics in general) and manga/anime as source material.
We had no problems with Robert Downey Jr's Tony Stark because comic book fans had been used to a "new" Tony Stark every few years, so the MCU version was just another take on the character. Tony Stark, Steve Rogers, Thor, they all had their characters AND ALSO they had their stories, but they had so many stories that none of us ever thought that a certain story IS the character.
But Pegasus Seiya is inevitably tightly bound to his story. We never had to imagine him having a different origin story. We never had to conceive him doing anything different than going through the twelve temples of the Sanctuary. For us fans, there is no way Cassius is ever going to be anybody else than the Guy Who Loses the Cloth and Hates Seiya, But Then Sacrifices Himself To Save Him Because of Shaina, so when the Netflix series tried to come up with a different motivation for him we all said "why did they HAVE to change him?".
Manga is more plot-focused than western comics, which are more character-based - even when they end up bending the character a bit. The comics themselves showed us Genius Tony, Leader Tony, Alcoholic Tony, Needs-His-Friends Tony, Almost-Evil Tony, Want-To-Build-A-Family Tony, and they did that across sixty years. The manga books instead showed us Flamboyant-And-Righteous Seiya fighting an enemy, then another, then yet another one, and that's it. What's the room for an adaptation that doesn't get hate?
I was just thinking about the Saint Seiya live action because a friend told me to check it out and it looked rough lol. I know with Iron Man 1. Marvel managed to take a C-B level hero and made him a household name because outside of comic book heads he wasn’t relatively or cared for as much as a lot of other heroes so when we got what we did it was fantastic. There are several adaptations that don’t get hate.
-Perfect Blue
-The Godfather
-Majority of Ghibli Films
-Harry Potter films
-Sam Raimi Spider-Man films
I know with discussions of adaptations the changes just can’t be egregious. You can definitely have alterations but a lot of the times the studio/writers end up doing a lot more than needed and it doesn’t pan out
@@leonbrando9892 I have to admit I don't know many of the examples you made. But I can tell that Spider-Man and Harry Potter were adaptations that were "respectful" of the source material. Imagine Cassios sacrificing himself for Seiya anywhere but at the Leo Temple: there would be an outrage. Imagine Eren Jäger being forced to attack Marley because Levi wants him to, or Yoshikage Kira having any motivation other than being a psychopath: outrage.
The thing is that these characters live their adventure and then they die. Iron Man was C class, but Thor was not, Hulk was not: their adaptation worked because the writers were able to adapt a character rather than an adventure.
@@SimoneSaviolo It’s funny you say that because people didn’t like Hulk in “The Incredible Hulk” but they loved him in “The Avengers” and onward and then people warmed up to Thor in “Thor Ragnarok” and he became BELOVED in “Infinity War”. And yeah exactly as you said. A lot of the time with anime live actions they make the weirdest changes to characters. Like on Netflix’s Death Note. Outside of changing his last name. Light is a bumbling idiot that simps for Misa or in this case Mia and isn’t calculating or cunning in the slightest. The exact opposite of his character. Netflix’s Bebop made Faye an extremely unlikable and annoying character that had any and all layers of her character stripped away. Vicious was a joke and looked like one too and all the dialogue was unnatural. When adapting they don’t look and see what made these original works work outside of them being animated
I think one problem is that nearly every amime I see get adapted is a shonen. Don't get me wrong I love my shonen as much the next guy, but it is like the worst genre to adapted. Why not a sport anime like Haikyuu or Slam Dunk, or
even a romance anime like Your Lie in April.
Just any genre that isn't shonen.
It’s funny because someone else mentioned that Kaguya-Sama Love is War for adapted and I remember seeing it and I was like “Man this is also pretty bad” it’s another Shonen Jump title but not a battle shonen but even with that it fell through. Haikyuu would be amazing. Slam Dunk could work, Prince of Tennis, Captain Tsubasa the list goes on and on of stuff that could work but they’d rather go for the most popular IP
There is a Your Lie in April movie
@@leonbrando9892 Yeah, I get that. Sad to say.
@@Chris.P.Bacon7 I haven't seen it, heard it's good though. Pretty much proves my point.
0:37 I was actually one of the best lines
Man…someone got paid to write that bullshit and thought people would take it seriously lol
@@leonbrando9892 have to respect the actor for not cracking up or anything
@@mrkaji8913 I know for a fact I wouldn’t be able to keep it together. What a professional he is lol
@@leonbrando9892 know how you feel.
I've had takes on anime adaptations (and video game adaptations) before. I don't 100% agree that a shot for shot adaptation is bad, albeit more so when it comes to video game adaptations because some people just can't play video games. But also I think of how anime like Monster is pretty much 1:1 with the manga.
I do think studios shoot themselves in the foot by just adapting popular brands or classics though. Like Akira is a visual spectacle for its animation, having it be live action would be a downgrade from the get go (And having Taika Waititi attached isn't going to help) The interviews I saw of the Netflix Bebop showrunners just demonstrated they were in over their heads.
Honestly, give me some adaptation of something that has serious flaws that can be fixed with an adaptation. The Godfather book has an infamous subplot about the details of Sonny's love life that was just removed from the movies. Similatly there's a pointless affair subplot in the Jaws book that was gotten rid of in the movie. A huge reason I'd argue the MCU worked is that they wisely got rid of some weird comic book stuff, at least initially. To paraphrase Bruce Lee 'Keep what works, get rid of what doesn't.'
Beautiful comment and I’m so happy you brought up the Godfather because Coppola HATED that book with a passion lol. I know The Boys did splendid with an adaptation due to the state of the comic and they took what worked and then made everything revolve around it and it was amazing. Adaptations are all about trimming the fat and like you quoted you keep what works. You don’t need EVERYTHING to be in your adaptation. And you can even add things that still keep the integrity of the source material at hand. Another great example of an adaptation fixing something heavily flawed was Perfect Blue. If anyone ever read the novel they’d see how ridiculous it ended up being but Satoshi Kon being the God that he is managed to make a master class that still gets brought up to this day and is still culturally relevant
@leonbrando9892 Thanks for the compliment!
Garth Ennis and Mark Millar have a ton of comics (and hot take but Alan Moore in his later works) fall into the camp of trying to be so edgy that it ends up just comes off as pathetic. I mean, my favorite anime is Hellsing Ultimate, my favorite manga is Dorohedoro, so I'm ok with edgy stuff, but idk those feel earned and not gratuitous.
Speaking of books, I'd be remiss if I didn't bring up Heinlein and Veerhoven with Starship Troopers. Where Veerhoven just went 180 on the message of the book for the better.
And there's a bunch of Stephen King examples, from the positive changes (Shawshank Redemption, It*), to the iffy (The Shining. I like the movie better, but the novel has its ardent defenders, King himself among them) to the horrible (Lawnmower Man, Tommyknockers, Langoliers, Dreamcatchers)
*Shawshank just has improvements made to narrative pacing and characterization and removes extraneous details....and as for It....uh........I think we all know why.
@@CrocvsGator I’m a big fan of Mark Millar. One of my favorite comics of all time is Kickass and I love Kingsman. I’ve always respected him as a writer. And for IT I know they wanted that certain scene to be in the film and they ended up not going through with it 🤣🤣
@leonbrando9892 Oh, I like Kick-Ass and Kingsman as well. Was more referring to Wanted and Nemesis.
@@CrocvsGatorMan Wanted lol. I’ll never forget watching that movie with my cousin back when it came out. Boy was that a time. Did you ever get around to Supercrooks? It’s nice to converse with someone that knows about comics
This is just my thought, I think live action adaption can work if they choose IP that more grounded in reality which is why Battle Royale, Oldboy & Rurouni Kenshin work so well.
But on the downside it probably end up in poor execution because the director do not understand the point of the source material while trying to adapt it in their own style of writing.
Yeah I feel in order to build up some rapport and to get in peoples good graces with these sort of things would be to do smaller series. And then later on tackle the bigger series now with a common understanding of what it is they’re doing
Jet Set music tight and 3rd strike akuma theme damn
Yessir you already know the jams
they don`t like people who knows shit you see what happened to Henry Cavil?
Unfortunately I have and that still bothers me. You had someone who knows the IP in and out and wants better for the adaptation and they pretty much told him to fuck off. Sucks man
@@leonbrando9892 its not even The Witcher anymore its basically The Adventures of Yennefer
@@AnonOracle It’s so sad. Because Witcher was already an adaptation from book to game and those are widely beloved. And you knock it out of the park with the live action adaptation but then you screw over Cavill like that. Sucks. Turned off a lot of fans for that move
Who ever did the mandolorian should do outlaw star
You might be cooking with this one lol. Outlaw Star deserves more love out here
@@leonbrando9892 but part of the reason it's so great is because it's animated. I don't get why they want everything live action.. Kids will like it maybe but older stuff for older people I don't know
@@changowowowoezzy9617 They believe they can tap into a wider audience. The ones that don’t necessarily care to see animated content and will only watch live action stuff. And also try to play into anime fans but anime fans don’t usually want these things lol
@@leonbrando9892 yes exactly they even miss me with cgi somtimes
@@changowowowoezzy9617 CG can be so jank it breaks immersion. Some you can let slide but others it’s too noticeable lol
I agree with most of your points here... but I disagree on the 2006 Death Note live-action films. Those are still my favorite adaptation of the manga yet (yes, even over the anime). They may not have aged well in terms of CGI, but many of the adaptational changes were for the better in adapting a 12-volume manga into two feature-length films.
I know with Death Note people usually go back and forth over how the story is told. And I’ve reread the manga several times over now and seen the anime. You’re probably the first person I’ve seen that prefers that over the anime which is interesting. I saw the attempt made but I’d rather go with the anime personally
They should try asking Bollywood to make the adaptation. It is going to be LIIIIIITTT
It would certainly be entertaining 🤣 can get more of the comedy animes out there for that too lol
Well, I remember back in the good old days people praised Japan, live actions
I think anime can be translated to live action its just the budget and the care put into the movie is very lazy and realistically anime dialogue is bad so when its on tv and a regular guy actally says that outloud its just corny
That’s where the workarounds come in essentially. Dialogue as a whole is more difficult to write than people know, so they’d have to see how it is in the source material and fine tune it so that it sounds believable to us. I alluded to that when I said have someone with an objective understanding of the work handle these things. In time all of this can very much happen
maybe if they cast better characters that don’t sound funny it would’ve been better
Casting is also another big factor in these things. I appreciate them going for not exactly notable names but it also comes down to who they cast and the script because you could even have a phenomenal actor but they can’t work with a bad script. Only so much they can do
Hideki Anno is the only guy i've seen split the difference perfectly with his live action adaptation of Cutie Honey.
That’s because Anno is the fucking GOAT lol and he has such a love and understanding for the things he wants to adapt so he pays a lot of attention to what he works on and spends time on it
@@leonbrando9892 Exactly. Handing him the keys to reboot all the Japanese golden age franchises with his "Shin" trilogy was a smart move.
@@wbbooth I recently saw Shin Kamen Rider the other day with friends and it was great. I’m so happy for that man. He got out of his rut with depression. Happily married. Ended off Evangelion on a beautiful note and tied up all loose ends. And he’s able to work on more projects. Congrats to him man truly
@@leonbrando9892 Check out his full live action movie Shiki-Jitsu (2000) if you haven't seen it already. It's much more grounded than his anime and tokusatsu related work but a beautiful and engaging movie. The protagonist is almost a mirror image of Anno himself and the female lead is played by Stephen Segal's daughter. You can find it streaming for free with English subs online.
Anime in general, is extreme in terms of dialogue and movement. The reason in my opinion as of why it fails is due to the fact they have low level of extremism in character reaction, character abilities, and last but not least, the camera angle. To conclude my point, the anime characters drawing style goes numb when became real actors due to the sheer difference in body, face, and hair design. MC nad DC are close to real humans while manga/anime have a unique look to them 😅
Yeah it’s a very exaggerated medium to adapt so that’s why it’s up to the filmmakers to be able to be able to get across what makes it work while also not trying too hard to be anime because that’s not going to come across well. They’d have to tone it down because some of these series gets INSANE with what’s going on lol
@@leonbrando9892 I would, at least, have them make super power abilities show extreme outcome just as the anime ones do, as one thing I hated about live actions is the poor and humble showcase of it. I can't ignore the fact it is live-action, so they can at least have some painful outcome. of receiving such damage.
@@lovepeace5809 That is interesting actually because the way it’s usually handled in manga/anime is that they’ll have that inner monologue going over how much damage they’re sustaining. This will be a case by case thing but that’s something I never heard someone mention before.
Ok, there are good ones: alita, sonic, pikachu, edge or tomorrow, and I even liked cowboy bebop
We were cooking up until that last one lol but I saw some others say they liked it
@@leonbrando9892 Who knows it might be as underrated as the Mario movie
@@mrkaji8913 I don’t feel like the Mario movie was underrated at all. It was a really good movie that people were looking forward too. I know in the beginning it got some hate because Illumination was animating it and they hate Minions but once people got over that. Movie was a really good time and made BANK at the Box Office
@@leonbrando9892 although there are some problems I do have with the movie. I overall love it.
@@mrkaji8913 Yeah it was great. I’m glad that it was so successful at the box office and grossed so much money. Now Nintendo is looking at other IP’s for adaptations. It’s really nice
Adapting cartoon visuals into live action is stupid. Pretty much everybody does it. And every time it looks like dogshit.
They’re all just doing it incorrectly. Picking series they don’t have an understanding of then just winging it
Okay, at least the Japanese live actions have a good English dubs
The live action Rurouni kenshin films where amazing and Rurouni kenshin: the final is my favourite movie I watched in 2023
I fully agree. As for favorite movie I saw in 2023z either goes to Across the Spider-Verse or Oppenheimer!
I saw the first spider-man into the spider-verse movie. I thought it was good. Plus I think we might get a spectacular spider-man season 3, there’s hints of it
@@ItsARuckus I wouldn’t hold my breath on it but it would be really cool if it ever happened!
True @@leonbrando9892
Facts american ryuk was better than japanese ryuk chi
Willem Dafoe as Ryuk was a casting decision I didn’t know would turn out so amazingly lol. Like I never thought in my mind to have him as that but because he’s such a talented individual. He pulled it off
I think it can work with the right creatives. You can see some anime infulence in the action scenes in more recent films like The Kingsman francise.
What will never work 1 to 1 are some of the common character tropes in anime. The childish quick to anger types like Ed from Full Metal Alchemist, Naruto, Bakugo from My Hero Academia. The overly pervey characters, and just the overall bizzare characters like Edward in Cowboy Bee Bop. The can be fun characters in animation but will not work as a real human.
I think it is best to adapt ideas and concepts from Anime but not Anime itself. It would be easier to accept something inspired by Naruto than to actually see a live action Naruto.
That said stuff like Full Metal Panic could work if you got rid of the sillier highschool bits.
Kingsman was based on the comic book so that’s what gives it that feel of being animated. And I 1000% agree with what you’re saying too. Instead of trying to adapt anime itself. Take from the concepts and build off of them. Because trying to emulate an animated experience in live action won’t work
Prison school best adaptation
I like you already lol
bro said nothing about the upcoming One Piece Netflix adaptation that's on the thumbnail
you better pick a side so we can inevitably disagree with you😂
I said in a comment before that the 2nd trailer looked better but realistically my expectations aren’t high in the slightest. As for the thumbnail…I just thought it was funny to me 🤣. Also if I said it looks good or bad do you disagree with me regardless of what I choose? Lol
At least the Japanese death note is good
I liked Ed in Netflix
So it does work and you have examples of it...? Truth is, there have been anime adaptations that people didn't like, and those are used as an argument against new stuff. Just don't judge something based on the fact that it's a "live action adaptation." Just watch it and judge it based on its own merits (or don't watch and let it be. Hate is not required)
But it is an adaptation…you can’t separate it when that’s the purpose of it. If anything anime adaptations are looked at harsher than live action ones. I used examples that worked but I also stated that these are so few and far between. Video Game Adaptations were awful for a while until recently they started to get a lot better. Yes people are going to use what they have prior because that’s what we have. That’s true in anything. If you’ve received 20 bad adaptations and another one comes out. You’re not going to go into the next one with excitement. If you want it to be treated as something other than an adaptation then don’t use the IP
@@leonbrando9892 I'm not asking to separate anything other than one film from another. Seeing 5 bad movies from any category doesn't mean the next one is also going to be bad. We shouldn't raise our biases and past experiences to the level of prejudice toward the next thing
@@brixan... I’m looking at it as a singular thing. For example. If Bethesda gave you 5 bad games. The 6th one is going to look iffy to you based on what you got prior. People just don’t want to gamble anymore after they’ve been burned other times before.
@@leonbrando9892 I agree, a group can earn a reputation for their work, but I wouldn't judge the work of a different team based on work by other people. I can't say "the Dragon Ball Z movie was bad, so the One Piece show will be bad." Especially when we do have good examples of anime adaptations...
@@brixan... What sucks is that there are more examples of these adaptations not working than when they do. It just depends on how they do it. One Piece I know is going to be a bitch to adapt but I’ll see how it goes. I give everything a fair shot. I just don’t have high expectations is all
Lmao how would they do it. Its always a disaster when they make it.
It’s possible. I gave examples of really good live action adaptations. It just depends on the kind of series they take and who’s behind the project. It’s not easy but comics/games/books have gotten really good adaptations. Even board games have good adaptations to live action lol
Bro haven't seen rurouni kenshin live action lol
Did I not mention live actions that worked in the video or?
You did. But did you watch it?
@@jdragodon7113 I did. Why did you think I didn’t?
@@leonbrando9892 it was good
@@xcxmafai Oh I know I was just confused why he assumed I didn’t see it lol
Not gonna lie, I really enjoyed the live action cowboy bebop. I feel like majority of critics were over critical and if you just sit back and enjoy the show its good. Personally I think why a lot of live action anime don't meet anime viewer enjoyment is because we got bullied for liking anime, so fans feel like they gotta be feral over defending it/attacking it (Mob mentality type beat). Shows like cowboy bebop live action just shows how most anime is goofy / cringy (even the cool ones) and that wake up call was too much for some fans. I feel a lot of upcoming hate for the one piece live action show and you even used it as thumbnail without talking about it directly. I think its gonna be a super good show if you just watch as a show and dont treat it likes its gotta be the next sopranos / breaking bad.
Thing is too right. Even if you set it aside as a show on its own. It’s still a mess with its disjointed dialogue and weird tonal shifts. This could’ve been something else entirely but they wanted the Bebop name because of the weight it carries. I don’t agree at all with the notion of they have to trash it due to being bullied people watched the show and noticed how bad the writing is and called it out for it. A lot of it isn’t good because it’s not good. I don’t think anyone is going into these adaptations expecting Breaking Bad. They just want an adaptation that can be faithful/respectful to the source material. It took a long while before Superhero adaptations got good and even those don’t follow the comics beat for beat but they were good films/shows as a whole. For example Invincible and The Boys don’t follow their comics that faithfully but they’re great adaptations and great pieces of media as a whole
There’s literally no laziness whatsoever in the live action one piece so hold this dislike 👎
And the live action one piece will prove that live action anime can work if done really well
I didn’t talk about One Piece in this video but I did talk about it in the video I recently made though. Should check it out!