Sam has turned, by the morning, but wasn’t active because he’s still deaf. That’s why he doesn’t hear Ellie. That’s why he doesn’t attack her until she touches him.
I just felt he wanted to look out the window to see one more final sunrise before he finally turned. And he was just staring until Ellie tapped him on the shoulder.
Kathleen makes sense as a leader after last night’s episode. She is only the leader because of how much everyone loved her brother. He sounded like a good guy, he probably was an inspirational leader with all the stories of his forgiveness and selflessness. Once Henry betrayed him, he was killed, and Kathleen probably channeled everyone’s anger into the killing and overtaking of Fedra and collaborators. Kathleen was a weak leader but it had only been 10 days, her drive for revenge wasn’t sitting right with her group, you could see it on their faces. She might’ve been overthrown soon if she didn’t get killed. Her leadership was not long enough to expose her weakness, not to mention she rode the resistance’s pent up anger for all of Fedra’s atrocities.
Think you got it mostly right. She’s a weak person but a strong leader, her brother was the strong person and weak leader. She toppled FEDRA, not her brother. We got to see from the Fireflies in episode one just how rare and difficult that is but she did it. I couldn’t stand her as a character either but I think that’s why she was so good just like homie here I saw the bedroom scene and was like good I’m glad your brother is dead lol 😂
She is a leader and it's because she changed things, like Perry said. They loved him and he was a good man, but she stepped up after he died and she is the one who actually led the resistance to victory. I wouldn't even say she is necessarily a weak leader. She isn't physically imposing but someone who is confident, decisive, and most importantly, *effective*, can become a leader even if they aren't physically so inspiring. And you can't argue with her results.
I disagree, she was not a weak leader. She managed to overthrow Fedra and was primed to be in control, if she wasn’t blind sighted by her want for revenge
@@giannidavies3594 she also carelessly got her *ENTIRE* army either killed/turned to Infected all in a SINGLE NIGHT though…just out of her own petty selfish need for revenge against two kids (not to mention one of those kids is a nonviolent person by nature who has never killed another man in his life, not even a single infected, and the other is his cancer ridden, 8 year old DEAF brother)! Sounds like a weak leader to me…🤔😬😂
Pedro pascal get alot of credit but in ths ep in particular Bella Ramsey played her characters emotions so well, the whole range of emotions her character got to experience this episode.
This episode was by far the most emotionally resonate with me. I knew everything that was happening before it even happened thanks to the game and i still wept like a baby when Sam and Henry died. I literally knew it was coming too but seeing that poor kid get bit again and then asking Ellie to stay up with him so he doesn’t lose his mind by himself like what happened to Riley. Absolutely fucking tragic, and it’s heartbreaking that we will see Jackson immediately after this, a place where Sam could’ve actually been a child which is all Henry tried to give him.
In the game they only make you think at first Henry is saying it joel’s fault. When he only shoots himself it’s revealed he was actually talking to himself. He was only aiming the gun at joel to prevent Joel from saving him. Henry’s words were “what did you do? What did you Henry?” Then “it’s all your fault!” Which I did kinda prefer because I think it showed how emotionally and mentally broken he was after what he was forced to do
Here's the thing, guys-- Kathleen is NOT a good leader. Her brother may have been, and she may have just picked up the position because she was his sister, but she is not a good leader. Ok, she had ONE win against FEDRA, but only one. She killed their only doctor, she wasted resources (think about how much gas they're wasting), she won't listen to her subordinates. She completely ignored the infected under the floor. She actually doesn't care about her people, not at all. She's acting in her own self interests, and I think Lynskey's performance actually hammers that home. She sucks as a leader, and that totally came across.
Only one? Her brother didn’t defeat FEDRA. And apparently they were the worst of the worst. On scale of importance that ONE win is HUGE. Sometimes one win is all you need to change history. It’s the little things.
@@ashb8205 Kathleen was riding the wave of collective rage after her brother's death. So yes, she took over that win, but really-- do you think she would've lasted as leader? I mean, her henchman went and talked to HER MOM to see if he could get Kathleen to listen to reason, which she obviously didn't. Hell, even the brother told her to forgive Henry, who was left with a terrible choice. And how long do you think her thirst for vengeance would carry them? She got them all killed in the end.
@@jmboyd65 naw she not a good leader. But the reason why people followed her so easily after her brother passing was because of the defeat of FEDRA. Maybe if she didn’t let vengeance and hate fuel her she could have made real changes.
I just want to say I love these videos every week and I followed you guys during Game of Thrones as well. My favorite review/post episode talk show out there. You guys are killing it. Keep it up fellas!
It’s early, but never seen a show depart from the source material as successfully as “The Last of Us.” Adaptations are difficult because the original Book/Comic/Video Game fans are extremely critical plus you’re trying to engage a new audience. I applaud the creators for not only their bravery, but also upgrading the story.
I think that having the original creator is always gonna improve it. The drastic improvements in invincible, I think was cause they worked closely with Kirkman. Nobody else in the world will improve it more than the creator who has thought about it for over a decade. However I would say the boys departs more from source material and does considerably better for it.
Oh man jfc-when the little girl Clicker moved thru the car and when it took out Kathleen was so scary. Bone-chilling stuff And when the rebels ig took out FEDRA and were just EXECUTING them was also terrifying
I agree that the rebel groups characterization doesn't land the best but the connection it set up with henry makes it make so much more sense why the rebels use so many resources to chase 4 people to the ends of the earth to kill them. In the game they just go cartoonishly sunks cost phallacy to chase joel and ellie to no end for no particular reason. Like I remember killing the sniper in the game and thinking "why the hell are these guys still chasing me" The acting continues to being just the best also.
So much subtext related to african american history with them even literally taking an underground “railroad” after being hidden by allies for days. The “Killa city” conversation with joel. The “we the people” being written on the truck……best episode yet man😩😢
The scene when Ellie tried to save Sam with her blood was sad. it is just so heartful and pure of her wanting to save him. I couldn't stop crying when Ellie try to cure Sam with her blood showing how innocent they are.
The Joel/Ellie/Henry/Sam portion of this episode ripped my heart out and used it like a piñata. I’m not a game player, so even though I didn’t know what was going to happen, I knew they would not be long for this world. The actors portraying Henry and Sam were excellent. Then I learned that the actor playing Sam is actually deaf in real life! Bravo!
Where Kathleen’s brother was loved and admired by so many, Kathleen was the one to set things in motion. Her brother’s death definitely helped propel her to the top. Not all leaders have to be physically imposing or intense or intimidating…. Anyway, it ends how it ends.
As someone who has not played the game, this episode was super predictable, and that is NOT a bad thing! I predicted beat for beat what would happen at the end with Henry and Sam. But predictability can be both satisfying and devastating, knowing it was coming made it even more heart wrenching when I had to watch it happen in front of me. The two actors playing the brothers were outstanding!
I agree. Directors and writers try to surprise people too much. But the surprise goes against what is foreshadowed. Unless it’s a mystery genre or there are scenes/conversations/backstories that is purposefully held out an intelligent enough person should be able to see where it’s going. The problem with Game of Thrones and Star Wars is they didn’t make sense. Good writing a good story can be predictable. But it’s ok
I don't think I've ever been so depressed, anxious, and excited while watching a TV show. Each week that passes, I just get into it even more, just liked when I played the game. But seeing that smaller sized horde was horrifying. I could only imagine what the bigger ones look like near the start of the infection in the show And Sam & Henry were of course very sad to watch because you know what's going to happen to them
I love the little winks at the game. The bloater kills the bearded guy in the exact same way you get killed as Joel if a bloater catches you, ripping your face in half from behind
Kathleen is the leader because she draws no quarter for fascists or their collaborators. They explicitly state that's the difference between her and her brother. That's why these people follow her. In the scene with Perry we're given insight into that relationship in that she reconciles that maybe her brother had to die to do what needed to be done. And that's why she says what she says to Henry. Forgiveness as weakness is all she sees. She doesn't forgive and doesn't forget. They're freshly post-rebellion.
The infected ambush along with the blouder looks so cool or badass the chaos works so well with high intentions high stakes that makes the whole situation so scary.
In the game, Heny says both lines. "This is your fault. You did this." And he also says to himself, "What did you do, Henry?" Or something close to that.
Noticed something. In the city, under the basement in the last episode. I think that those infected under there are networked all the way to the ones in the suburbs. So after the giant fight you can see them running back to Kansas, at first as I was like “plot hole, they’d just run in every direction” but thinking about it. If there is a fungus network underneath the city, the infected will be running back to it to see what’s agitating it. That and also there were some survivors in the cars, they could’ve made it back and the horde follow the noise. Im on the fence whether or not to see the town get wiped out. Part of me is like, it’s even darker to just know know they’re fucked.
The one bloater, while trapped underground in the city in episode 4, wound up at the sinkhole in episode 5. Definitely networked but I believe the ones from the city were actually called over to the suburbs. The infected , having already been in the city (albeit underground) headed straight back to where more humans were.
Also, based on the map Henry drew, that sinkhole is right around the perimeter of the reclaimed KC...i like to think that them running around with a caravan of cars and just popping guns and noise everywhere definitely was the doom for KC.
The gasoline explosion/fire obviously not only attracted their (the Infected’s) attention, but probably made them super pissed off as well, since Infected don’t take well to extremely high temperatures, so the heat from the fire probably aggravated them even further more than all the very loud noises from the gunfire and heavy automobiles already did…thus the ridiculously high numbers of Infected that came out of the sinkhole is actually not too far fetched and actually is pretty logically justifiable in this instance given the context, or at least IMO it was, that is, of course…
I always loved the "what did you do" line because I assumed he was talking to Joel, but when he shoots himself you realize he was talking to himself. A small change, but I prefer the original line a little more.
Never played the game before and this is what i was thinking when the morning came and ellie went to check on sam. 1. Her blood magic shit worked because sam has to live because him and henry are so good on camera 2. Oh sam is pranking her by pretending to bite her 3. Why hasn’t he let up on the joke yet 4. Half the characters in the scene are dead and my heart has been curb stomped into 985 pieces
In the behinds the scenes podcast, they talked about wanting to find a child actor who knew ASL really well and I believe Craig put out the casting call on his twitter saying he expected to get maybe like 80 audition tapes and they only got 5. So as to why Sam was cast even younger, the answer is likely they didn't have another actor option that they loved, worked well on set and met the basic criteria they needed.
This was the first time in the show that we saw an Infected in “humming mode” if I’m not mistaken, right before Sam ultimately turns and attacks Ellie, which made it even more of a heartbreaking moment.
About Sam&Henry: Its hilarious when you list it out yeah lets make the kid younger and deaf and have cancer to make it sadder. Would have still worked anyhow lol About Kathleen: Its only been a few days, she didn't become leader through bloodline succession. I think its a combination of things: As we heard Michael was a good person that everyone loved so his death was probably the last straw that turned the opinion of the general populace into open revolt. He was likely unwilling to be as cruel as neccessary to beat Fedra. Kathleen having just lost her brother was first stand stand up and say "Yes lets do warcrimes, fuck these people." So everyone follows her emotion. The hunt for Henry&Sam was the only thing keeping her in power. If they caught him like the next day and essentially had no enemies and had a few weeks to think they'd likely see what we see "ok lets have somebody with sense in charge now". Its what goverments do; keep the attention of the people on foriegn enemies so they don't look within and see who's really fucking them up the ass. And boy did they get fucked at the end lol. About the tunnels: yeah we can't have random encounters at every location we have limited time to tell the story.
I think they missed an opportunity not having a scene where everyone splits up especially with Sam being deaf that would of be interesting with a scene with just him and Joel but other than that good episode
In the game, Henry was supposed to blame himself in a similar way to the show but the actor played it like it was Joel's fault, and they decided to respect his performance and keep it that way. If I remember correctly, Neil said it in the bonus audio commmentary for the remater (2014).
I think that Kathleen is inspired by Madame Defarge from A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens, a mild-mannered character who presides over the Reign of Terror after the French Revolution.
I agree with this but it also makes sense. Because they have to get up and all go and walk and exert themselves when they haven't slept enough. Still they should tale turns at least.
The last time Joel stayed awake to do the watch led to him sleeping heavily and rolling onto his bad ear, allowing Henry and Sam to sneak up on them. The only other time was when Joel and Tess watched over Ellie.
Henry does actually blame himself in the game too, right before he starts to say “what did you do” and “it’s all your fault” you can hear him mumble “Henry”. It doesn’t show up in the subtitles and I only realised this recently
If I were the actress for Kathleen I’d be pissed about the formatting of the last two episodes, her performance completely lacks any weight in the first episode because we know nothing about her, yet we learn about the details of her past with the doctor only after we know how it ends. Complete oversight IMO, don’t know how it made it past the editing room
Loved the episode fs but the game for me was dramatically more intense and emotional. The change of “it’s all your fault” too “what did I do” is as real as it gets
What did i do?? is much more soul crushing and existencially dreadful, it's like he woke up from a transe after the 15 most surreal seconds of his life just happened. It's all your fault is just too direct.
there was a moment in the game where even though you go on the way to tommy's to Jackosn if your stop at a grave site with a cute teddy bear if you click it Ellie said something about wanting to bury the transformer toy to Sam and wanted to talk about what happened Joel shut her off and tell her to move on. when she asked, "why can't we talk about it?" Joel cruelty shuts her about it and shut her down. which later got her to run away to a different house and Joel and Ellie have a huge argument because she had enough of his complicated attitude. but other than that episode 5 was even better than I expected.
I disagree with the statement that putting her blood on Sam's wound was just a "gesture" to make him feel better. She obviously knows what getting bitten means. She believed her blood was medicine as she wrote on the pad. As a 14 year old who appears to be immune and has never taken a science and biology course, why wouldn't you believe this would work? If she didn't think it would work, there is no way she would allow herself to be in that room overnight with someone who could attack her in her sleep and kill her.
Havnt played the games. Loved this episode. I think they had time in ep 4 to give us some flashback of Kathleen's relationship with her brother up to his death. But how it was done was fine. She's just a minor character that they needed more to give depth to Henry's story.
I feel that after her brother's death, the resistance was directionless and brimming with anger and resentment, but Kathleen gave all that emotion a direction to aim in. She was not a good leader, she did things for selfish reasons instead of for the greater good of the people. Despite that, she got stuff done, because she was willing to compromise her morality. On the other hand, her brother was very moral, but could not accomplish anything. In a way, they were both not fit leaders and unfit people end up in leadership roles all the time. Once the anger dissipated, the faith in her leadership would become shaken. Rebels know how to overthrow governments, not how to run them.
They should’ve made it so Kathleen lost her husband or teenage son. She was acting like she used to fck her brother or something to go thru all this for revenge. I don’t need them to humanize every bad guy they run into. They attacked Joel & Ellie on sight, I don’t sympathize with these people at all. Otherwise what an incredible episode, so good I wasn’t even thinking about the game. I can’t wait to see the rest of this heartbreaking story and how they adapt everything else. I just hope it doesn’t feel rushed with 4 episodes left. Part of me thinks this maybe should’ve been a 12 episode season, to let more moments breathe a bit.
I agree, Kathleen’s motivation would’ve been more believable in the limited amount of time we had with her if it were her husband or 20 yr old son she lost.
The cultural details they wove into the Henry and Sam's characters without having to signal to the audience that "Yeah we're taking you on the underground railroad of black history and diaspora studies fam" was chef's kiss with a drizzle of sadness on top.
In the game when he said what did you do I think he was still talking to himself he just pointed the gun at Joel to stop him making an unnecessary actions so he could process everything
Brilliant. Brilliant episode, and brilliant breakdown with the guys. Too many great things to mention, but one thing that surprised me was how deeply I felt Joel's fear for Ellie's innocence/childhood.
Melanie Lynskey is good. I've never seen her in "Two and a Half Men" just her other way better roles. So it's definitely something else; directing/writing. (But just for her.) Seems like they wanted her to be more soft. But I (mostly) liked what they did with her in this episode. Still not perfect and it frustrates me.
I think the one thing the games did better in these two episodes - hear me out - is how it pulled off the "big twists". For episode 4 that would have been Ellie saving Joel, killing the hunter, for 5 Sam's infection. I never felt like Sam and Henry getting out of that fight unscaved was even a possibility, because we were explicitly shown their struggle unter the car. I was more shocked to learn that noone thought of checking for injuries honestly than the actual twist. The same goes for Ellie using her gun. It's a minor change but I think seing the same scene from Joel's perspective instead of her's and withholding that crucial bit of information would have made it a more impactful. I'm attributing this to the director, but I sure hope the series continues to use a little less "spoon feeding".
This did it for me. I don't know if I can watch any more. Don't get me wrong it's an amazing, beautifully-shot show, but I just can't do this to myself every week. First Bill and Frank, then Henry and Sam. Followed by a restless night and nightmares. It's too much. I'm not going to watch anymore and just come back here for the Nerd Soup commentary
I know how vague this sounds but this show is really adding to the concept of “The Last Of Us” the game is perfect but this show is really developing the certain few left of the human race, they rly be giving development to everyone, I cant wait to see what they do with David.
I doubt anyone will see this but when they were like would you sell out this beloved person for ur brother I had no hesitation, yes, absolutely 100% (tho I have a younger sister not brother)
Hard agree about Kathleen. Totally unbelievable in the role she's cast in. Even her voice, she sounds like some Walmart Karen being condescending to her cashier, not a hardened murderer
@@iliaponomarev1624 But how is she not more hardened after 20 years of the apocalypse? Her look, voice and body language did not really go well with what they were trying to do. I like the actress, but they did her dirty in this role lol. Although I was not feeling her delivery when she gave the speech last episode, it just fell flat.
@@iliaponomarev1624 I get that it's the point, and it could've been interesting. But then, outside of her backstory, why make her such a generic "badguy" (Idk the word for women)? "Yeah kids die, buhuhu", what was that?
@Unherist she's kinda on a revenge mission and doesn't care about anything but revenge? And, well, it's been less than 2 weeks after her brother's death.
@Nostalgic Bliss fair point in general, but I think it's again a theme of "Walmart Karen (who somehow remained Walmart Karen after 20 years of postapocalypsis) got a chance to not just give cashier an evil look, but to take over local Walmart".
I won't lie.. after watching ep 4 I was a little disappointed on some of the choices they made. This part of the game was one of my favorite sections. So I was wondering how they were gonna recreate it. I didn't want a play by play, but still some more game accurate scenarios. Then Ep 5 hit and they really wrapped it up great. Some good easter nuggets and also looking back makes you appreciate ep 4 more.. couldn't help but think "there was man, a great man" " The leader of the resistance" John Connor
One fine use of foreshadowing that dawned on me was how Kathleen’s death hit home to Ellie, that she got killed through blindly chasing vengeance. Ellie looked so mortified by Kathleen’s demise. Yet this type of fate is potentially just round the corner. I love how the shot lingered on Ellie just long enough to plant that seed in my head. Genius.
For someone who never played the game or know much of the story, the "Im sorry" board says to Joe,l that Ellie knew Sam was bitten and took the risk to not report it to the group.
I have not played the game however if the show was NOT on HBO the Sam and Henry thing would have shocked me. haha since its HBO, I was not phased by this at all.
After seeing promos, I thought Henry & Sam were signing as a way to remain silent but communicate around potential Clickers. The reality of it only adds to the heartbreak that is LOU! Phenomenal episode.
He didn't blame Joel, he was clearly talkkng to himself. It's a devastating existential sentence, because the prior 20 seconds where the most surreal and atrocious of his existence, even after having lived in a post apocalyptic world his entire life, it's like he woke up from a transe and just realized what happened. It's all your fault is too direct and kinda torture porn-y.
Great episode but did anyone else feel like Pedro Pascal was phoning it in? He wasn't as bad as the chick who plays Kathleen but just seemed off. Especially compared to the actor playing Henry who was giving a top notch performance.
If you watched the after show you would see that it wasn't CGI. They used real people, and the bloater was a half a million dollar costume...with some CGI.
I can appreciate Kathleen's actress for her talent, but the soft spoken demeanor she portrays doesn't work for me at all. I honestly would've preferred white beard man (Tommy's VA, can't remember the name) being the leader
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Sam has turned, by the morning, but wasn’t active because he’s still deaf. That’s why he doesn’t hear Ellie. That’s why he doesn’t attack her until she touches him.
He was in “humming mode” like you see some Infected doing sometimes alone in the dark in the game
I just felt he wanted to look out the window to see one more final sunrise before he finally turned. And he was just staring until Ellie tapped him on the shoulder.
@@ezramotz1995 Yes & he though he was “alone” because all he had was sight.
He probably also felt himself getting taken over so he turned to hopefully not attack Ellie while she was sleeping
He would've eventually been deaf and blind which is something to think about. Probably would've just been wandering around
Kathleen makes sense as a leader after last night’s episode. She is only the leader because of how much everyone loved her brother. He sounded like a good guy, he probably was an inspirational leader with all the stories of his forgiveness and selflessness. Once Henry betrayed him, he was killed, and Kathleen probably channeled everyone’s anger into the killing and overtaking of Fedra and collaborators. Kathleen was a weak leader but it had only been 10 days, her drive for revenge wasn’t sitting right with her group, you could see it on their faces. She might’ve been overthrown soon if she didn’t get killed. Her leadership was not long enough to expose her weakness, not to mention she rode the resistance’s pent up anger for all of Fedra’s atrocities.
very well put
Think you got it mostly right. She’s a weak person but a strong leader, her brother was the strong person and weak leader. She toppled FEDRA, not her brother. We got to see from the Fireflies in episode one just how rare and difficult that is but she did it. I couldn’t stand her as a character either but I think that’s why she was so good just like homie here I saw the bedroom scene and was like good I’m glad your brother is dead lol 😂
She is a leader and it's because she changed things, like Perry said. They loved him and he was a good man, but she stepped up after he died and she is the one who actually led the resistance to victory. I wouldn't even say she is necessarily a weak leader. She isn't physically imposing but someone who is confident, decisive, and most importantly, *effective*, can become a leader even if they aren't physically so inspiring. And you can't argue with her results.
I disagree, she was not a weak leader. She managed to overthrow Fedra and was primed to be in control, if she wasn’t blind sighted by her want for revenge
@@giannidavies3594 she also carelessly got her *ENTIRE* army either killed/turned to Infected all in a SINGLE NIGHT though…just out of her own petty selfish need for revenge against two kids (not to mention one of those kids is a nonviolent person by nature who has never killed another man in his life, not even a single infected, and the other is his cancer ridden, 8 year old DEAF brother)! Sounds like a weak leader to me…🤔😬😂
Pedro pascal get alot of credit but in ths ep in particular Bella Ramsey played her characters emotions so well, the whole range of emotions her character got to experience this episode.
This episode was by far the most emotionally resonate with me. I knew everything that was happening before it even happened thanks to the game and i still wept like a baby when Sam and Henry died. I literally knew it was coming too but seeing that poor kid get bit again and then asking Ellie to stay up with him so he doesn’t lose his mind by himself like what happened to Riley. Absolutely fucking tragic, and it’s heartbreaking that we will see Jackson immediately after this, a place where Sam could’ve actually been a child which is all Henry tried to give him.
I have no idea about the plot and sure this ep strike me but nothing like ep 3, that shit was so sad man
In the game they only make you think at first Henry is saying it joel’s fault. When he only shoots himself it’s revealed he was actually talking to himself. He was only aiming the gun at joel to prevent Joel from saving him. Henry’s words were “what did you do? What did you Henry?” Then “it’s all your fault!” Which I did kinda prefer because I think it showed how emotionally and mentally broken he was after what he was forced to do
Choose* Joel was going to do it initially. He wasn't forced to do anything.
Nah man was just dealing with grief and all it’s stages. Blamed the first person he could
@@micktompson101 Neil Druckman confirmed he was talking to himself
@@micktompson101 So we just making shit up now? That’s cool I guess.
Here's the thing, guys-- Kathleen is NOT a good leader. Her brother may have been, and she may have just picked up the position because she was his sister, but she is not a good leader. Ok, she had ONE win against FEDRA, but only one. She killed their only doctor, she wasted resources (think about how much gas they're wasting), she won't listen to her subordinates. She completely ignored the infected under the floor. She actually doesn't care about her people, not at all. She's acting in her own self interests, and I think Lynskey's performance actually hammers that home. She sucks as a leader, and that totally came across.
Agreed. And her own Brother told her to forgive.
Only one? Her brother didn’t defeat FEDRA. And apparently they were the worst of the worst. On scale of importance that ONE win is HUGE. Sometimes one win is all you need to change history. It’s the little things.
@@ashb8205 2 weeks later she gets everyone killed
@@ashb8205 Kathleen was riding the wave of collective rage after her brother's death. So yes, she took over that win, but really-- do you think she would've lasted as leader? I mean, her henchman went and talked to HER MOM to see if he could get Kathleen to listen to reason, which she obviously didn't. Hell, even the brother told her to forgive Henry, who was left with a terrible choice. And how long do you think her thirst for vengeance would carry them? She got them all killed in the end.
@@jmboyd65 naw she not a good leader. But the reason why people followed her so easily after her brother passing was because of the defeat of FEDRA. Maybe if she didn’t let vengeance and hate fuel her she could have made real changes.
I just want to say I love these videos every week and I followed you guys during Game of Thrones as well. My favorite review/post episode talk show out there. You guys are killing it.
Keep it up fellas!
Same 💯
It’s early, but never seen a show depart from the source material as successfully as “The Last of Us.” Adaptations are difficult because the original Book/Comic/Video Game fans are extremely critical plus you’re trying to engage a new audience. I applaud the creators for not only their bravery, but also upgrading the story.
I think that having the original creator is always gonna improve it. The drastic improvements in invincible, I think was cause they worked closely with Kirkman. Nobody else in the world will improve it more than the creator who has thought about it for over a decade. However I would say the boys departs more from source material and does considerably better for it.
Oh man jfc-when the little girl Clicker moved thru the car and when it took out Kathleen was so scary. Bone-chilling stuff
And when the rebels ig took out FEDRA and were just EXECUTING them was also terrifying
I agree that the rebel groups characterization doesn't land the best but the connection it set up with henry makes it make so much more sense why the rebels use so many resources to chase 4 people to the ends of the earth to kill them. In the game they just go cartoonishly sunks cost phallacy to chase joel and ellie to no end for no particular reason. Like I remember killing the sniper in the game and thinking "why the hell are these guys still chasing me" The acting continues to being just the best also.
😂😂
So much subtext related to african american history with them even literally taking an underground “railroad” after being hidden by allies for days. The “Killa city” conversation with joel. The “we the people” being written on the truck……best episode yet man😩😢
Especially with the aspect of the resistance throwing aside trials for civilians and the use of the slogan "we the people" here
@@evannesbitt7852 yup. Including seeing a man being hung while the groups chants freedom. Hit different
Especially when Kathleen whips Henry in the post credit scene
African americans of the 21 century, the most victimized non victims on the world
@SerDownOfHouseBad Ok man lol
The scene when Ellie tried to save Sam with her blood was sad. it is just so heartful and pure of her wanting to save him. I couldn't stop crying when Ellie try to cure Sam with her blood showing how innocent they are.
The Joel/Ellie/Henry/Sam portion of this episode ripped my heart out and used it like a piñata.
I’m not a game player, so even though I didn’t know what was going to happen, I knew they would not be long for this world.
The actors portraying Henry and Sam were excellent.
Then I learned that the actor playing Sam is actually deaf in real life! Bravo!
I didn’t know he was actually dead. For a child actor, he was one of the best I’ve seen in a while.
Bravo for what? Being deaf? Yeah, congratulations I guess.
Those zombies were moving out of the hole like the wights at Hardhome like DAMN they can move
Somehow i felt weirdly unemotional watching the Bill and Frank episode even tho it was fucking beautiful. But henry and sam made me cry
I knew what was coming, and it was still hard
@@user-gk4ig9ho4f exactly, me too
probably because you are straight and/or have a brother?!
I broke during ep 3
@@randomedgygamer2191 nah its not that, neither of those. I guess my mind was just preoccupied when i watched ep 3
@@user-gk4ig9ho4f right same man I played the games but them dying was tragic
Where Kathleen’s brother was loved and admired by so many, Kathleen was the one to set things in motion. Her brother’s death definitely helped propel her to the top. Not all leaders have to be physically imposing or intense or intimidating…. Anyway, it ends how it ends.
As someone who has not played the game, this episode was super predictable, and that is NOT a bad thing! I predicted beat for beat what would happen at the end with Henry and Sam. But predictability can be both satisfying and devastating, knowing it was coming made it even more heart wrenching when I had to watch it happen in front of me. The two actors playing the brothers were outstanding!
I agree. Directors and writers try to surprise people too much. But the surprise goes against what is foreshadowed. Unless it’s a mystery genre or there are scenes/conversations/backstories that is purposefully held out an intelligent enough person should be able to see where it’s going. The problem with Game of Thrones and Star Wars is they didn’t make sense. Good writing a good story can be predictable. But it’s ok
There's this sound of utter despair and dread that Ellie makes when Sam turns - it's haunting
I don't think I've ever been so depressed, anxious, and excited while watching a TV show. Each week that passes, I just get into it even more, just liked when I played the game.
But seeing that smaller sized horde was horrifying. I could only imagine what the bigger ones look like near the start of the infection in the show
And Sam & Henry were of course very sad to watch because you know what's going to happen to them
sams laughter was so touching
and the last hug wth ellie was adorable
I'm with Beau. All I kept seeing was Rose lol
Beau sounds like he gets emotional at 14:48, What a legend! Got me misty eyed too.
I love the little winks at the game. The bloater kills the bearded guy in the exact same way you get killed as Joel if a bloater catches you, ripping your face in half from behind
Kathleen is the leader because she draws no quarter for fascists or their collaborators. They explicitly state that's the difference between her and her brother. That's why these people follow her.
In the scene with Perry we're given insight into that relationship in that she reconciles that maybe her brother had to die to do what needed to be done. And that's why she says what she says to Henry. Forgiveness as weakness is all she sees. She doesn't forgive and doesn't forget. They're freshly post-rebellion.
I haven’t played the game, but I am loving this show. The ending of Ep5 gutted me.
The infected ambush along with the blouder looks so cool or badass the chaos works so well with high intentions high stakes that makes the whole situation so scary.
In the game, Heny says both lines. "This is your fault. You did this." And he also says to himself, "What did you do, Henry?" Or something close to that.
Noticed something. In the city, under the basement in the last episode. I think that those infected under there are networked all the way to the ones in the suburbs. So after the giant fight you can see them running back to Kansas, at first as I was like “plot hole, they’d just run in every direction” but thinking about it. If there is a fungus network underneath the city, the infected will be running back to it to see what’s agitating it.
That and also there were some survivors in the cars, they could’ve made it back and the horde follow the noise.
Im on the fence whether or not to see the town get wiped out. Part of me is like, it’s even darker to just know know they’re fucked.
The one bloater, while trapped underground in the city in episode 4, wound up at the sinkhole in episode 5. Definitely networked but I believe the ones from the city were actually called over to the suburbs. The infected , having already been in the city (albeit underground) headed straight back to where more humans were.
Also, based on the map Henry drew, that sinkhole is right around the perimeter of the reclaimed KC...i like to think that them running around with a caravan of cars and just popping guns and noise everywhere definitely was the doom for KC.
The gasoline explosion/fire obviously not only attracted their (the Infected’s) attention, but probably made them super pissed off as well, since Infected don’t take well to extremely high temperatures, so the heat from the fire probably aggravated them even further more than all the very loud noises from the gunfire and heavy automobiles already did…thus the ridiculously high numbers of Infected that came out of the sinkhole is actually not too far fetched and actually is pretty logically justifiable in this instance given the context, or at least IMO it was, that is, of course…
I always loved the "what did you do" line because I assumed he was talking to Joel, but when he shoots himself you realize he was talking to himself. A small change, but I prefer the original line a little more.
Did you catch Joel looking at his watch after watching Ellie playing football with Sam (sorry, soccer). The sorrow on his face.
This is like a delicious bowl of cheddar cream of broccoli soup in a ciabatta bread bowl. 👌 🍲
Shoutout to Factions multiplayer. I played a TON of that a few years back. A hidden gem of a multiplayer mode.
Never played the game before and this is what i was thinking when the morning came and ellie went to check on sam.
1. Her blood magic shit worked because sam has to live because him and henry are so good on camera
2. Oh sam is pranking her by pretending to bite her
3. Why hasn’t he let up on the joke yet
4. Half the characters in the scene are dead and my heart has been curb stomped into 985 pieces
2:14 Aaron is so effortlessly funny and Beau is such an amazing Host and Lead. You guys are nothing short of incredible. You must be soul mates.
In the behinds the scenes podcast, they talked about wanting to find a child actor who knew ASL really well and I believe Craig put out the casting call on his twitter saying he expected to get maybe like 80 audition tapes and they only got 5. So as to why Sam was cast even younger, the answer is likely they didn't have another actor option that they loved, worked well on set and met the basic criteria they needed.
Uh, they didn’t need a deaf actor. They added that for no reason, at the expense of Ellie and Sam’s relationship and dialogue from the game.
Think about Kathleen and her brother, from her point of view Henry killed her brother to save Sam.
I like to think the show is a zero deaths playthrough.
This was the first time in the show that we saw an Infected in “humming mode” if I’m not mistaken, right before Sam ultimately turns and attacks Ellie, which made it even more of a heartbreaking moment.
Just caught the ep and then Boom! you upload just in time for credits!
Life's little wins.
About Sam&Henry: Its hilarious when you list it out yeah lets make the kid younger and deaf and have cancer to make it sadder. Would have still worked anyhow lol
About Kathleen: Its only been a few days, she didn't become leader through bloodline succession. I think its a combination of things: As we heard Michael was a good person that everyone loved so his death was probably the last straw that turned the opinion of the general populace into open revolt. He was likely unwilling to be as cruel as neccessary to beat Fedra. Kathleen having just lost her brother was first stand stand up and say "Yes lets do warcrimes, fuck these people." So everyone follows her emotion. The hunt for Henry&Sam was the only thing keeping her in power. If they caught him like the next day and essentially had no enemies and had a few weeks to think they'd likely see what we see "ok lets have somebody with sense in charge now". Its what goverments do; keep the attention of the people on foriegn enemies so they don't look within and see who's really fucking them up the ass. And boy did they get fucked at the end lol.
About the tunnels: yeah we can't have random encounters at every location we have limited time to tell the story.
I think they missed an opportunity not having a scene where everyone splits up especially with Sam being deaf that would of be interesting with a scene with just him and Joel but other than that good episode
Exactly what I thought. Just imagine a scene from Sam pov, without any sound and clickers all around. It would've been terrifying.
In the game, Henry was supposed to blame himself in a similar way to the show but the actor played it like it was Joel's fault, and they decided to respect his performance and keep it that way. If I remember correctly, Neil said it in the bonus audio commmentary for the remater (2014).
I think that Kathleen is inspired by Madame Defarge from A Tale of Two Cities by Charles Dickens, a mild-mannered character who presides over the Reign of Terror after the French Revolution.
My major grievance for the series: how the hell do they all go to sleep all the time without having someone awake on the watch?
I agree with this but it also makes sense. Because they have to get up and all go and walk and exert themselves when they haven't slept enough. Still they should tale turns at least.
The last time Joel stayed awake to do the watch led to him sleeping heavily and rolling onto his bad ear, allowing Henry and Sam to sneak up on them. The only other time was when Joel and Tess watched over Ellie.
Henry does actually blame himself in the game too, right before he starts to say “what did you do” and “it’s all your fault” you can hear him mumble “Henry”. It doesn’t show up in the subtitles and I only realised this recently
If I were the actress for Kathleen I’d be pissed about the formatting of the last two episodes, her performance completely lacks any weight in the first episode because we know nothing about her, yet we learn about the details of her past with the doctor only after we know how it ends. Complete oversight IMO, don’t know how it made it past the editing room
It felt like they made a movie then split it in 2 parts.
Loved the episode fs but the game for me was dramatically more intense and emotional. The change of “it’s all your fault” too “what did I do” is as real as it gets
What did i do?? is much more soul crushing and existencially dreadful, it's like he woke up from a transe after the 15 most surreal seconds of his life just happened. It's all your fault is just too direct.
there was a moment in the game where even though you go on the way to tommy's to Jackosn if your stop at a grave site with a cute teddy bear if you click it Ellie said something about wanting to bury the transformer toy to Sam and wanted to talk about what happened Joel shut her off and tell her to move on. when she asked, "why can't we talk about it?" Joel cruelty shuts her about it and shut her down.
which later got her to run away to a different house and Joel and Ellie have a huge argument because she had enough of his complicated attitude. but other than that episode 5 was even better than I expected.
Everytime I saw rose was wrecking my brain trying to remember what I knew her from. I loved her in 2 and a half men
I disagree with the statement that putting her blood on Sam's wound was just a "gesture" to make him feel better. She obviously knows what getting bitten means. She believed her blood was medicine as she wrote on the pad. As a 14 year old who appears to be immune and has never taken a science and biology course, why wouldn't you believe this would work? If she didn't think it would work, there is no way she would allow herself to be in that room overnight with someone who could attack her in her sleep and kill her.
Havnt played the games. Loved this episode. I think they had time in ep 4 to give us some flashback of Kathleen's relationship with her brother up to his death. But how it was done was fine. She's just a minor character that they needed more to give depth to Henry's story.
I have to give props to the actors who play henry and Sam both of them are fantastic it feels so believable and heartbreaking
I feel that after her brother's death, the resistance was directionless and brimming with anger and resentment, but Kathleen gave all that emotion a direction to aim in. She was not a good leader, she did things for selfish reasons instead of for the greater good of the people. Despite that, she got stuff done, because she was willing to compromise her morality. On the other hand, her brother was very moral, but could not accomplish anything. In a way, they were both not fit leaders and unfit people end up in leadership roles all the time. Once the anger dissipated, the faith in her leadership would become shaken. Rebels know how to overthrow governments, not how to run them.
They should’ve made it so Kathleen lost her husband or teenage son. She was acting like she used to fck her brother or something to go thru all this for revenge. I don’t need them to humanize every bad guy they run into. They attacked Joel & Ellie on sight, I don’t sympathize with these people at all. Otherwise what an incredible episode, so good I wasn’t even thinking about the game. I can’t wait to see the rest of this heartbreaking story and how they adapt everything else. I just hope it doesn’t feel rushed with 4 episodes left. Part of me thinks this maybe should’ve been a 12 episode season, to let more moments breathe a bit.
I agree, Kathleen’s motivation would’ve been more believable in the limited amount of time we had with her if it were her husband or 20 yr old son she lost.
I mean… it’s Kansas City. I wouldn’t rule anything out.
@@TheWefikus 😂🤣😂
The cultural details they wove into the Henry and Sam's characters without having to signal to the audience that "Yeah we're taking you on the underground railroad of black history and diaspora studies fam" was chef's kiss with a drizzle of sadness on top.
The visual effects were done by WETA, and when I hear that I immediately think of quality.
You guys truly crack me up with your intros!!!😂🤣 Keep up the great work 👍
I haven't played the game and when he killed Sam gutted me. I ugly cried hard during that entire sequence. The "what did I do?" 😭😭😭😭😭
That infected swarm coming out of the ground was so terrifying. I was very thankful I wasn’t watching it alone. Especially that kid clicker. Omg.
This episode left my mouth agape for like a solid three minutes afterwards.
@Tele-gram-NerdSoup Awesome, what do I need to do to claim it?
In the game when he said what did you do I think he was still talking to himself he just pointed the gun at Joel to stop him making an unnecessary actions so he could process everything
Been waiting for this good soup
“Joel hasn’t died once on this show” 😂😂😂
Brilliant. Brilliant episode, and brilliant breakdown with the guys. Too many great things to mention, but one thing that surprised me was how deeply I felt Joel's fear for Ellie's innocence/childhood.
Been waiting for this all morning!
Melanie Lynskey is good. I've never seen her in "Two and a Half Men" just her other way better roles. So it's definitely something else; directing/writing. (But just for her.) Seems like they wanted her to be more soft. But I (mostly) liked what they did with her in this episode. Still not perfect and it frustrates me.
This was one of Nerd Soups best reviews. ❤
Just happy to have Nerd soup!!
I think the one thing the games did better in these two episodes - hear me out - is how it pulled off the "big twists". For episode 4 that would have been Ellie saving Joel, killing the hunter, for 5 Sam's infection. I never felt like Sam and Henry getting out of that fight unscaved was even a possibility, because we were explicitly shown their struggle unter the car. I was more shocked to learn that noone thought of checking for injuries honestly than the actual twist. The same goes for Ellie using her gun. It's a minor change but I think seing the same scene from Joel's perspective instead of her's and withholding that crucial bit of information would have made it a more impactful. I'm attributing this to the director, but I sure hope the series continues to use a little less "spoon feeding".
I think they needed to tell kathleens story in Ep 4, and then Ep 5 could have just been all gas
I’m so early! Can’t wait to hear y’all’s thoughts!
This did it for me. I don't know if I can watch any more. Don't get me wrong it's an amazing, beautifully-shot show, but I just can't do this to myself every week. First Bill and Frank, then Henry and Sam. Followed by a restless night and nightmares. It's too much. I'm not going to watch anymore and just come back here for the Nerd Soup commentary
If you haven't played the game, this is probably the darkest moment in the game
someone is too sensitive lol, after i watched the Made in Abyss anime i think nothing can break me emotionally compared to what that anime did.
People are so dmn weak nowadays lol
@@randomedgygamer2191 I am too sensitive. I have literally no problem admitting that.
It's one degree of Charlie Sheen. You got Melanie Lynskie from Two And A Half Men and John Getz from Men At Work.
Best episode of the season by far
I know how vague this sounds but this show is really adding to the concept of “The Last Of Us” the game is perfect but this show is really developing the certain few left of the human race, they rly be giving development to everyone, I cant wait to see what they do with David.
Kudos to the performance of all the clickers. I was watching that scene back and they were moving and twitching perfectly!
"before we finish this episode" bestie you're not even at the halfway mark
I never doubted for one second that Henry and Sam were brothers
I doubt anyone will see this but when they were like would you sell out this beloved person for ur brother I had no hesitation, yes, absolutely 100% (tho I have a younger sister not brother)
Hard agree about Kathleen. Totally unbelievable in the role she's cast in. Even her voice, she sounds like some Walmart Karen being condescending to her cashier, not a hardened murderer
But, like, that's the point. She is a Walmart Karen.
@@iliaponomarev1624 But how is she not more hardened after 20 years of the apocalypse? Her look, voice and body language did not really go well with what they were trying to do. I like the actress, but they did her dirty in this role lol. Although I was not feeling her delivery when she gave the speech last episode, it just fell flat.
@@iliaponomarev1624
I get that it's the point, and it could've been interesting. But then, outside of her backstory, why make her such a generic "badguy" (Idk the word for women)? "Yeah kids die, buhuhu", what was that?
@Unherist she's kinda on a revenge mission and doesn't care about anything but revenge? And, well, it's been less than 2 weeks after her brother's death.
@Nostalgic Bliss fair point in general, but I think it's again a theme of "Walmart Karen (who somehow remained Walmart Karen after 20 years of postapocalypsis) got a chance to not just give cashier an evil look, but to take over local Walmart".
Love the series, and love your reviews. I have become a huge fan of Pedro Pascal and can not wait to see him in future roles!
I won't lie.. after watching ep 4 I was a little disappointed on some of the choices they made. This part of the game was one of my favorite sections. So I was wondering how they were gonna recreate it. I didn't want a play by play, but still some more game accurate scenarios. Then Ep 5 hit and they really wrapped it up great. Some good easter nuggets and also looking back makes you appreciate ep 4 more..
couldn't help but think "there was man, a great man" " The leader of the resistance" John Connor
I am so bummed they didn’t explore the story of Ish. That could of been such a good story.
One fine use of foreshadowing that dawned on me was how Kathleen’s death hit home to Ellie, that she got killed through blindly chasing vengeance. Ellie looked so mortified by Kathleen’s demise. Yet this type of fate is potentially just round the corner. I love how the shot lingered on Ellie just long enough to plant that seed in my head. Genius.
Pedro Pascal is Solid Snake in the live action metal gear movie confirmed now
I was pleased they answered why these characters followed Kathleen, but then didn't mess around with them and killed them off
For someone who never played the game or know much of the story, the "Im sorry" board says to Joe,l that Ellie knew Sam was bitten and took the risk to not report it to the group.
She's apologizing to Sam imo
@@Unherist I agree. She wasn't able to save him.
I have not played the game however if the show was NOT on HBO the Sam and Henry thing would have shocked me. haha since its HBO, I was not phased by this at all.
After seeing promos, I thought Henry & Sam were signing as a way to remain silent but communicate around potential Clickers. The reality of it only adds to the heartbreak that is LOU! Phenomenal episode.
Actually preferred the game dialogue where Henry shoots Sam. He doesn’t blame Joel and it makes him feel even more broken by what he just did
He didn't blame Joel, he was clearly talkkng to himself. It's a devastating existential sentence, because the prior 20 seconds where the most surreal and atrocious of his existence, even after having lived in a post apocalyptic world his entire life, it's like he woke up from a transe and just realized what happened. It's all your fault is too direct and kinda torture porn-y.
Great episode but did anyone else feel like Pedro Pascal was phoning it in? He wasn't as bad as the chick who plays Kathleen but just seemed off. Especially compared to the actor playing Henry who was giving a top notch performance.
Kathleen was such a Karen!
If you watched the after show you would see that it wasn't CGI. They used real people, and the bloater was a half a million dollar costume...with some CGI.
I’ve been skeptical about Ellie’s performance so far. GREAT this episode and her reaction to Henry killing himself was perfect.
I can appreciate Kathleen's actress for her talent, but the soft spoken demeanor she portrays doesn't work for me at all. I honestly would've preferred white beard man (Tommy's VA, can't remember the name) being the leader
I liked this episode but for some reason i cannot understand the season still feels paced weird.
most shows are made to be watched one episode after another, not every show is allowed to be released all in one due to the service that backs the show
Someone was cutting onions at the end of this episode
Number 1 baby!
I never played the games. That was traumatizing.