AMD RADEON Per Clock Showdown - HD 7970 GE vs. RX 570
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Barring architectural differences, the 7970 still can do pretty well even it's like 7 years old at this point. Still impressive from the 7970 at medium high 1080. Those who have been using this since have gotten their money's worth so far.
AMD7950 is hands down my favorite GPU i ever owned, it took so long for it to become obsolete, i upgraded to a rx480 and ended up selling it again after 2 weeks because the performance gain over the AMD7950 was so little lol, ended up using the 7950 untill i bought a 1070ti a year ago.
@@budgetking2591 Haha quite amazing the Tahiti has aged particularly well with the 7970 and 7950.
@@MusicHavenSG it is, also what is amazing in summer of 2013 they were selling for 180 euro's because they were getting replaced with the 280x, wich was just the same gpu.
I had 7970 fo like 6 years, great card, I sold it recently to buy GTX 1080. However I could play battlefield 1 or witcher 3 with ease :)
FineWine indeed
I would like to see the R9 390 and the RX 5700 XT clock for clock...
Yeah thats is what i want to see to as i want to upgrade from the 390 to the 5700xt
Good idea 💡 👍
just take all flagship cards between 7970 and RX590 and compare them in one vid
@@Face2FaceHardware rip wallet
Different shader counts will skew the results.
i finally upgraded but i had a 7970 dc2 top and a 2600k at 4.7ghz for MANY years. i dont think ill ever get that kind of longevity out of another system anytime soon.
I agree with you. Two legends in one system.
Crazy how little PC's advance in the past decade, your setup is 9 years old and would still be decent today. in 2015 a 2006 CPU with a 2 duo e6850 and a 8800 Gtx would be garbage.
Well I had paired a 7970 with a xeon W3670, now upgraded to vega 56 and still I have no CPU bottlenecks as I have overclocked to 4.6ghz and its still going pretty strong
I actually really like the idea of naming GPUs based on the number of ROPs. That way we have Tahiti 32、Hawaii 44/48、Granada 44/48、Fiji 64、Vega 56/64 and so on.
It's actually based on the number of CU's.
The name ending in 64 has a nice 1990s ring to it... Like from when everyone thought something that was 64bit was super futuristic. Nintendo 64, Soundblaster AWE 64, S3 Trio 64.... Good times.
RX 5700 XT. New architecture. Here's to 8 years of GPU driver support.
Nope.
@@mt441 Except it won't. We already know we have RDNA 3 and 4 on the way. Each modified in their own way, but kinda the same how GCN went through iterations from GCN1 on 28nm all the way to the 6th iteration of GCN5 on 7nm.
5800 XT will age extremely well, as long as a title won't require DX12_2 in order to run of course.
@@raresmacovei8382 3 years later, we have one game that runs very poorly on the 5700xt due to lack of 12_2
That said, the 5700xt is still a great budget option and will likely remain so for years to come, it will fall off the bottom of the performance charts and be too weak well before mesh shaders or RT are common enough requirements to stop being functional.
Whoa, a video about my R9 280x in 2019? Much watch, and absolutely must subscribe!
if u got the 7970 you were able to keep over 7 years and still have a nice, powerful gpu to play new games
The HD 7970 is from late of 2011.
@@badass6300 8 years
Hd 7970 in 2020 may be still on full speed support driver.. Good work amd
@@purwonugroho6505 Just because a driver works on a GPU doesn't mean there is actual support XD
Of course, until this year there is support as all their architectures pre-Navi are GCN based, but not anymore.
i7 2600k and 7970 PC would still be decent today.
Nice video, thoroughly enjoyed watching it and our long discussions on this. 👍
Thanks for all of the help 🙏
Thank you for the upload. I need this
Very illuminating! Thank you!
nice! a new video.
i also love old hardware. the only problem that i have with yesterdays flagships cards is the power consumption they are to high.
i always get the best single 6or 8 pin gpu in the market.
Cant blame AMD for moving on. Most people have also moved on from 7XXX series. RX 570 is crazy popular right now.
Great Video, subscribed! I started with a Sapphire HD 5770 1gb, then moved onto a MSi Radeon HD 7790 1gb and flashed it to a 260x lol. I loved the TrueAudio in it like in the game Thief 2 but once I upgraded to a Asus Strix R9 380 4gb the TrueAudio was gone. From there I bought 2x RX480s(8gb) and now I have a Radeon VII. I did have a laptop with a GTX 560m in it which ran BF3 on high but the nvidia drivers were a big hassle. Love AMD
Thief 2 is a game from the year 2000 so I wonder how it could support TrueAudio. Was there a patch for that?
whee! and saturday here too! Perfect!
. Given how it usually goes when one competitor is financially writhing and stuck tweaking an ancient architecture; GCN really was a miracle tech.
Coming to this one late. Great video!
Despite the performance deficit, it's mad that a card from 2012 can still game in 2019. I choose an Nvidia card back then (660 Ti) and I'm certain that thing wouldn't even get close to the 7970 today.
Great vid content and info! Still rocking my Sapphire R9 280x Toxic and a i7 3770k that still gets the job done well at 1080p
Yes. Happy to see new content
Would be cool to see more of these vids.
Love this channel !
No one could have done this any better. I think the newer games really shed some light on the weaknesses of the original GCN architecture, even while drivers don't do it any favors.
I loved this documentary style video.
nicely done!
Please make more of these. I am very interesed.
Awesome video !!
Can you do a follow up matching the compute power of them to the 5700 or XT (underclocking them)??
Thanks !
Victor Custódio hell yes
Maybe one day. Would love to have one.
Awesome work Mike and Catsay; informative and well presented. As a 7970 user myself it is a bit sad to see the performance is beginning to slide in the newer stuff, though this will still be the most "future proof" card there has been as much as I dislike that term. Also thanks for sneaking in that picture of my Fermi SLI build at the end ;)
It still holds its own in modern titles.
very interesting, I didn't expect such a huge lead even on newer games, also it's telling how little performance the 7970 lost with the huge ram downclock, oh and the power efficiency (more like usage, because I assume the speed differential on that specific test was significant?) of the 7970 underclock relative to the 570 was also impressive (or not impressive for Polaris?), good work.
It’s because of its 384-bit memory bus that it lost so little performance. I would like to see a 7970 at 1200mhz vs a stock 570.
Its not a huge lead, it shows little change in the architecture...
V for Vendetta it’s not a huge lead, but definitely substantial.
I still have a 7870 running games today. Loved GCN then, still do today.
Excellent video and analysis. A question: arent low level APIs tweaking more up to the game developer responsibility rather than the AMD driver team? Thanks.
Thanks. To my knowledge, it’s still a bit of both.
Nice review
😀 yay, the HD 7000 series video cards are still getting driver updates in 2019
i fuckin love your videos dude
Whoever bought i7-920 and HD 7870 HD got some nice bang for the buck if he didn't mind playing under 60 frames. I think 1080 TI and i7-8700k gonna be the next beasts that will hold up just as well.
Not at all. Those components aged so we'll because this decade was shitty. Intel was lazy as fuck and NVidia had no competition at the high end after 2013 or so. The 1080ti and 8th gen Intel won't age as well since it seems competition is back. And competition means one thing: pressure to innovate and improve.
@@Phenom98 Not sure about i7-8700K, but the 1080 Ti might age well...
1080 Ti future proof
I have dual HD7850 1gb, it's interesting to see what they will play and how well they do in crossfire.
Awesome. the 79** are cheapie scores on CL if you look close
Awesome thanks! Would you consider doing Nvidia equivalent? 670 vs 770 vs 970 vs 1070?
Superb test, very helpfull. Got mine old good friend XFX HD 7970 and wish to replace it with MSI RX 570, but I also have i5 3470. Should I be affraid of bottleneck?
You should see a decent improvement. Still worth it IMO
Thanks for the vid. May I ask why almost no one compares the 1% and .1% low values? That seems like more of a hinderance to gaming when already reaching 60 fps. It juat seems like a good thing to compare (I hate stuttering. That's what kills a gaming session as opposed to low frame rate).
If you were lucky enough to have a 6 gig 7970, and its a early sample chip, you can usually clock them up to 1300 MHz and it performs admirably. These cards still have some years in them yet, especially those higher end models.
This is a GREAT Video Man! I've been wanting to do that testing for a long time now. The results are a lot more interesting than I would have thought. You should test the RX 570 against the GTX 980 next ;)
Really appreciate it. A Maxwell comparison would be pretty awesome.
Tempted to do a video on this.. have a 7970Ghz, a 290x, a RX580, Vega56 and Vega64
I'd like to see that! 🤘😎
Woh you really like amd! Ever thought giving green team a go?
@@LocoMe4u Some of us are collectors that have just about everything.
Reducing tessellation and setting up 8x max is good help for 7970
I'm not too far off as I have 7950, R9 280, R9 390, R9 Fury, and a RX 580
This is a very good comparison because both the HD7970 AND RX570 have 2048 processing units.
7970 only has 2 a.c.e. units for dx12/vulcan where as polaris has either 4 or 8 a.c.e units
Awesome video mate, im still looking out for a reference 7970 Ghz myself. :)
God job
Loved my 7970, that coil whine though.
The coil wine now evolution to fine wine energy driver
7970 is not a bad card but rx570 is a beast when 1080p gaming
RX 570 4GB or GTX 1060 3GB, AMD 4GB does okay.
@@hansbehrends438 Isn´t the RX 570 cheaper ?
@@Koeras16 it is, by a lot (well in my country at least)
@@Koeras16 my 8Gb asrock phantom is cheaper than the 1060 3Gb. I love it
But i doubt the rx570 will age that well as the 7970, maybe its also not a fair comparison because the 7970 was the first tahiti core and the rx570 is rebrand from the older rx470.
I wonder if there is an Intel VTune equivalent for GPUs. Would be interesting to see where the performance is bound by.
Great video, can you do one on the amd 590 gpu? Wondering if it's worth buying at the moment for long term. Gracias
Still a decent card. I’d reach for the 570 and save the rest of the money for a future upgrade.
This is without doubt the highest quality low sub youtube channel out there.
Massive props and big love for all your excellent work!
Some other great titles that would've shown a big performance difference is Sniper Elite 3,4 which make perfect use of asynchronous compute and has almose perfect scaling with SLI and CFX. DOOM 2016 is probably the best game to test Vulkan. and of course the original fire strike test with its GPU scoring. other than those the rest were pretty much covered.
I felt like was on the meeting with so many details i had to pay attention in the presentation :D
Fantastic work. You want to work for AMD now? If you keep doing like this, they might call you in to hold the meetings for them hahahahha
can u do ryzen 3900x one ccd disabled (low performing one) and test the best performing one bcs it can boost to 4.65ghz all core I belive against 3600x or 3600
man i had 2 7970's (launch editions) and put 2 artic coolers, oc em to 1g+ man that was flying (ofc had to fix alot of multi-gpu stuff to games, if not disable cf on some games ;/ )
it was missing overclocked performance of both cards, thaiti was great overclocker and can get 1.3ghz on core if smps and cooling is good.
this looks like a driver optimization difference more than anything did you test anything in open gl?
I did not.
Well maybe some overclocking could help on the 7970, but otherwise great video ^^
Around 10% more performance or so. This card will do 1250ish on the core.
@@Face2FaceHardware ok, good to know ^^
The 280x which is a tweaked rebadge of the same card can go upto 1200-1300 depending on your luck
How well do they compare when you overclock them? I had a 7950 clocked at 1250core and it was somewhere around 10% faster than a 7970ghz stock. Beast of a card and with 3gig vram still not a bad card for today's games.
If you did a Firestrike run I could compare, but I never upgraded to win 10 for Timespy while i ran that. Now it's in a families pc :)
Add about 10% to the performance of each. This GHz edition will do 1250 as well. Rule of thumb for the 7950 is about 100MHz over the 7970 gives you equivalent performance. I had a 7950 that did 1320MHz... and I hate myself for selling it.
Did you notice or make an attempt to spot the difference in image quality between both video cards, both in game graphic fidelity and in accelerated video?? (Accelerated video on youtube looks horrible on the RX 570)
I didn’t notice any difference during any of my testing.
Sad thing is, locally there is/was a Powercolor 7970 here for $50 used, and was rather tempted to get it, if for no other reason than to usurp the R9 270X that was present in my Windows XP build, if to be the highest-end gpu I could put in there from AMD. But then I remember that I successfully oven-baked a 780 Ti back to life. So I don't have as much use for it.
Can you benchmark your 5820k??I really would like to see how it holds up in 2019 as i have seen some go for good prices
I plan too at some point. I want to do a 6 core round-up.
I have the same RX 570 taken not more than a month ago, have you bought it from an italian vendor by any chance?
I grabbed mine from a user on the Hardforum
It was a magical place.
You have a crazy rx 570 there sir, my asrock phantom gaming d averaged around 65 in division 2 and it was a terrible overclocker
Hi good review !!!
BUT - why not to flash it with R9 280x firmware ?
I've got one,and it's running fine 8)
Not really any benefit in doing so, but it’s certainly an option.
Tahiti is legendary for a reason.
With my RX580 8gb I get an average of 128fps on mostly ultra settings in Siege and about the same in BO4. I am maxing out AA and all that. I will be testing different settings to see what really effects fps.
SidTheJerkNSFW Resolution and max settings affect the fps the most. Go at 4k at max then youll see.
I hope AmD can bring this ever popular rx470/570 tech in Navi apu,come to think of it if they can bring that perf in Ps4 slim/pro then it should be no brainer for them to bring that 570 level for igpus😎😎
You should Overclock that 5820k to at least 4.2, my dad's 5820k hits 4.5 totally stable once I did some tweaking. That said, he is on an ASRock X99 Taichi - but he had the exact same clocks on his older ASRock X99X Killer Fatal1ty (he thought that Motherboard had died, turned out it was his PSU that had died! Lol now I have an extra X99 motherboard! I will probably put a system together with it and sell it!)
Yeah it takes 1.35v to do 4.4 GHz. Kind of a bummer. I just updated the test bench to an 8700K, so I’m good to go 👍
I have a 6gb 7970. Overclocked it performs some where between a 1050ti and a 1060 3gb.
My rx 480 at 1200mhz is at 960mV stable. I should keep going with the undervolt.
Did you undervolt the memory too?
kirbyswarp I did not. Though that’s an impressive result for your 480 👍
@@Face2FaceHardware I am honestly surprised. What did you use to undervolt? I use Wattman
I just used MSI AB
Dont replace your system, its awesome, as i also have an i7-5820k at 4,2GHz ;)
You can find some xeons e5 v3 on aliexpress for 200$, but i dont think it will be an upgrade since most of them are locked and have like 3ghz of clock, but they have 12c/24 tho
Or you could upgrade to a 3700x and sip power, and cpu and mobo would cost less than your old cpu did new
Well driver neglect would be odd considering AMD still sold GCN 1.0 in 2015 ( the R7 370). In laptops GCN 1.0 is STILL being produced by AMD for OEM's to use.
Support and Bug fixes are still there, but It’s unlikely performance optimizations are being done.
@@Face2FaceHardware Well it's more than kepler gets ( mobile kepler at least has it's driver support discontinued).
Yeah the issue with Kepler is for another video 😉
GCN 1.0 just didnt have enough asynchronous computer units to take advantage of vulkan or dx12.
async compute is not supposed to give anywhere near a 40%+ performance boost.
async compute isn't even working correctly right now for GCN1.0
And there is no such thing as `async compute units`, async compute is about how async compute queues (of which all of GCN has 4) and how they are allocated to the compute units on a GPU.
I remember 2 years before on reddit users reported that asynchronous compute was broken with some driver's.I remember the first time I run Doom in vulkan blown my mind
where is hd 7970 ghz edition 6 gigabyte edition?
How come newer models have less memory bandwidth and smaller memory bus compared to an older one?
I go over the architectural differences in the video, specifically about delta color compression
This shows that anything below rx470/570 for gaming is useless these days considering we can get this used for $50-60..how efficient this gcn iteration is,im hoping the rx5700 will flourish like this once it's used 2-3years from now
Did you check that the 3 GB VRAM for the 7970 doesn't limit its performance compared to the 4 GB of the RX 570?
He mentioned that specifically that's why the settings were not maxed out
Yes sir. Just like Jose said
Thanks. :)
What if you oc'd the 7970?
It’s a magical place.....
First game which really almost killed my r9 280X OC'ed(which is the same as Hd 7970 Ghz) edition was Metro Exodus and AC:Odyssey. Had to run them on medium and had 35-45fps in real game with 1% lows sometimes diving very low :D, which was very uncomfortable. Also I was using i7 920 OC'ed to 4,1ghz so there was some room too improve that framerates, but I think not that much and most performance upgrade I can get is from better GPU. Time to replace with rx 580 :D. I'm waiting for video about HD 7970 and performance in other game stock and OC'ed. Cheers ! P.S upgraded CPU to 6c/12t X5660 OC'ed to 4,2Ghz and there wasn't almost any improve overall so I'm a bit sad :P.
96Bialy Did you get RX 580?I have also i7 920 clocked to only 3.5 ghz i wonder how much fps i will get with overclock to 4ghz or takin Xeon 5675?
@@ivansaric4752 It varies what card do you have now, and also depends what kind of OC u can hit on that i7 920 or Xeon 5675. I don't have 580 yet but I'm making my way to buy it in the future. 3,5Ghz is a bit low but I understand u can have older stepping [D0 was that cooler and better for oc I think, and it was mostly newer chips in the production cycle]. I had mine i7 920 D0 oced to 4,1 Ghz (191BCLK) at about 1,27Vcore and other voltages I dont remember correctly, but bumped a bit too probably like CPU PLL voltage. The voltage was pretty good and maybe u think there was a room to push further but I was limited by temps on Air 150W TDP class cooler and for short bench runs I was able to achieve like 4,3Ghz with voltage close to 1,4V so that 4,1Ghz was perfect spot and almost typical OC which u can do with only bumping Vcore to that 1,26-1,27V on most D0 stepping processors and they were running just fine. Also if u want to take Xeon make sure your board can run it and have strong VRM section and overall good quality, because most good-quality boards can't handle BCLK higher than 205~ish. So u can be limited to the OC limits by MOBO rather than CPU. But I see u wanna buy X5675 which has pretty high multiplier so this shouldn't be an issue like in mine X5660(x23 multi).
The 7970 is still an awesome card.
How about rx 580 vs rx 5700 clock for clock?
if the price is right the hd7970 wont turn into woody but i doubt people would lower the price significantly below rx 570s
I put together a PC for my little bro using used parts and it seems like 7970s were going for $70 quite often on eBay. I won my bid for one at $67.50..... An RX570 seems to cost about $110 right now.
@@honkhonkler7732 when you said rx 570 costs $110 you mean it cost that new right? because it does but for $180 you can get an rx 580 8gb which is a better deal imo
Part of the reason Vulkan did not see a performance boost is because all RX Series cards had hardware based vulkan support, aka a little chip on the board which assists with the vulkan API and increases performance specifically on the RX cards
That's part of the reason that nvidia struggled when vulkan first came out to beat the RX cards in vulkan games, but over time nvidia cards got inbuilt vulkan support ( a lower version than RX ) Cards and all was sorted.
But without that hardware support, vulkan behaves much more like DX12 in general, it will run semi decently but you wont see big gains
I'm upgrading from a HD7970 to a RX 5700 XT today. I can definitely support the arguement that the ol' HD7970 is becoming very much outdated. It's been a fantastic graphics card to me the last near decade. But in the last year or two I've really had to squeeze as much clock speed and voltage out of it as I can to keep up with mainstream gaming.
On a side note I'm also upgrading my Phemon 1055T to a Ryzen 3200G. Both CPU and GPU have been straining under the load of todays demanding gaming applications. It's been a good run though.
I picked up a HD 7970 sapphire dual x version in a system with a bad Samsung 840 evo 250gb ssd. It kept freezing up the system win 7. Did a bios update. Same Formatted it. Reinstalled win 10 1809. Same. Tried a new ssd. Everything works. Got the 7970 at 1075/1475 no issues temps under 76c. Tried 1100/1500. Works but gets up to 81c and it started to artifact playing gta v when getting very busy. Very high settings. 40-80 fps depending how many cops are chasing you lol
Jim Georgiev gta v can be run by anything at this point
@@MrMilkyCoco I have also played apex legend's over 60fps avg mixed settings. fortnite over 100 fps epic everything except shadows off and effects low
I know this isn't quite relevant. But.. I have sold an Asus ROG 290X DirectCU II (Hawaii XT) to a friend for USD $60 a couple months ago. Then, two days ago, his screen (720p TV) went blank. Turns out, one of the resistors on the VRM block had fried (it had "charcoal" around it). Plugging in his old Gigabyte 750 Ti brought his PC back to life. I have always looked at this graphics card (the Asus 290X) with suspicion as the fans were turning at a slowish speed... Easily interrupted. I have always wondered at the 94 degree C top temps, and the throttling. In PUBG, the card would throttle quickly from 1050 to below 900 MHz at 1080p.
Long story short, I vowed to replace the fried GPU with either a 1060 3GB or an RX 570 card. Opinions?
I’d reach for the RX 570 if it were me.
But fr with a decsent cooler, most 5820ks go as high as u want as long as u have the proper cooling. U barely overclocked urs. Has lots more potential. I tested mine with an h100i and it goes to 4.5 fine. I didnt try for higher but still. I rock the hyper 212 Evo for long turn so I only do 3.8/4.0 long term
Mine isn’t a great sample. Only does 4.4GHz with 1.35v. That’s IBT, OCCT stable.
@@Face2FaceHardware that isn't too bad. don't go over 1.35 volts. that's a good spot for it
I still wanna get my hand on a hd 7970 if it look like that
I have a R9 290 Powercolour+ Core Clock 1040mhz memory clock 1350 stock. I'll send it to you if you want to compare. Can you please do a comparison like this for Nvidia?
Giorgos Konstantinou That version was one of the best, maybe even the best R9 290 was some pcs like writing on it?😁
@@ivansaric4752 what kind?
Thanks for the offer. I do already have an R9 390, so I’d like to do something with that. I’m thinking about what I can do with NVIDIA
now do the hd7770 vs rx 460 Catalyst vs Crimson vs Adrenalin
Good old AMD. R9 290 originally had it's price slashed in the UK from £345 down to £230 the week after the 970 launched at £300. That still game gamers a much better *value* card, if a little slower overall, than Nvidias new offering. Over the years, that same 290 went on the whoop not only the 780 it was originally aimed at, but the 970, 780Ti and eventually even beat out the 980 in some titles. That's a £230 card beating a £450 card that it was never even meant to compete with. Pretty sure the 390X and Fury beat the 980Ti in many Vulkan titles these days too.
I'm about to buy a friends 2080S now his 3080 has arrived, but it'll be hard letting this 5600XT go. I'll make money on it, originally bought for £270 just 5 months ago, but it's been legendary for my uses. Far too powerful for my daughters PC though! I couldn't bare to see this 5600 playing nothing but Roblox and Minecraft. I want it to keep it's dignity! XD
1:00 what monitor are you using?
Acer Z321QU
@@Face2FaceHardware ah! i knew it. i bought that monitor but i returned it cause i was having color uniformity issues to the point that it was looking defective. i liked the curve though.
what a surprise a new amd card performing better than an older one.
A 7yo card still ok for gaming today?? Its like a fking Geforce 2 GTS from 2000 still ok in 2007 under Crysis!! Thats awesome a very rare in the vga market.
I believe the Vega 56 and 64 will be the same way in 5-6 years.
RX 560 vs radeon HD 7850 is mostly a wash clock for clock though.
Seems like the 16 ROP's is holding it back.
Mesmerizing how much memory and undervolting can do.
Yea, I'm subbed to mindblank tech. What happened to him?
Wish I knew
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I traded HD 7950 for Rx 470 Nitro + 20 bucks upgrade is huge even though on paper 7950 is stronger but Polaris is tessellation beast.But for its age all HD 7000 series are beast.