WEC 2024 - Qatar Race - Technical Summary
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- Опубликовано: 7 мар 2024
- Let's take a closer look at what happened at the first 2024 WEC race in Qatar and why!
Why was the Peugeot so competitive and Toyota not?
How did the newcomers do?
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BoP will always favour one car and I reckon they will never get it right especially as the FIA is known for playing politics behind closed doors. As you said, each win now has to be checked against the BoP and not just how good a teams car was but how badly nerfed were the other teams which takes a little of the merit away.
Ya but I'd rather have the current leman/prototype racing than the past when only 2 or 1 competitors were racing. Like you said politics are at play and the ones that matter are for keeping the car companies invested in the sport happy. Low cost and close racing in a racing sport with so little eyes on it is needed for longevity. F1 can have a redbull 2023 season and be great with it because of the amount of eyes on that motorsport but endurance racing is one of the small view count motorsports that are at the elite side of things. What we have now is a golden period let's just enjoy it like the late 90's period.
You could say the same for the diesel or hybrid LMP1s that were given an advantage over gasoline non hybrids. This problem is also prevalent in other motorsports, where one type of car is given an advantage over another. Politics have always been part of motorsports since the beginning. BOP just makes sure all configurations get a chance of winning instead of just one. Look at V8 supercars, where they currently have parity issues because they're pitting two very different types of engines against each other. Imagine the headache caused by Group A to the ATCC rulemakers trying to make a competitive field back then since it had AWD coupes, rotary lights, 4 door sedans, etc. All of that can be solved with BOP, but then all those who complained about parity will now complain about BOP.
Where was all this bitching last year, when Toyota was winning EVERY race but LeMans???
And without BoP I'm sure people like you would be saying : "WEC sucks it's always the same manufacturer winning for 6 years it's so boring"
@YOUENNNN that's what I was saying, I'm willing to take BOP if that means we get to se the biggest and most amount of car manufacturers. NA, EUROPE AND ASIA ALL RACING IN ONE PLACE, we are in a golden Era like the gt1 Era but even more to cheer for.
I don’t understand the rule set. There’s maximum downforce and power output why is bop needed
Weight differences
To prevent a spending race to get the most efficient design. We have as many manufacturers as we do because of the BoP
downforce is measured only from the front - under yaw the cars can create varying amount of downforce, that's one difference I can think of
Becasue Hypercar has two completely different technical rulesets (LMH and LMDh), with different engine philosophies and hybrid systems, so BoP is necessary to let them compete together.
The point is the rules (especially LMH) are loose. They give you specific max/min downforce/drag ratio, but you can do whatever you want to the car. That why BoP are in play or it becomes both one horse race, and who can spending most win. That the last thing they wanted for fledgling formula. But I guess in times, some of these might be relaxed and performance will increase anyway, just it slower than open-ended competition
I wonder if Super GT style success ballast would balance things out in a more satisfying way than BoP. Still, an excellent opener to the season.
Super GT ones are just too punishing imo. But for the sake of entertainment value, they are doing wonders
@@scuckplexity well, Super GT outright state that it for viewers, and not for innovation.
@@scuckplexity It can be a little harsh, but I figure if it's kept in the range of weight already being used for LMH BoP, and left out for the opener, finale, and Le Mans, then it would strike a good balance between rewarding the best car and making sure the midpack has a chance during the season.
Super GT is so much better than WEC.
I gotta say the sound of the Caddilake is like nothing else.
The racing was pretty good and close throughout. But at the same time I wish the BoP wasn't so restrictive. I didn't know what the ratings were until watching this video and knowing this makes Porsche's victory feel less earned.
there's a maximum amount of power, minimum weight and downforce has to be balanced by drag with some ratio
so why is there so much BOP required? would it break the racing or designs if BOP wasn't done? whoever can match the performance limit the best gets the best car
They seriously need to start taking ballast out of the cars now, beause if they kept adding weight (even keeping the same gap between cars) There is going to be a point, and we saw thins in Quatar, that with the tyres and downforce being the same, one is eventually going to be adversly affected by the extra weight.
@@dylanburston7453 maybe they can just add ballast based on points. every point you gain in the season corresponds to some amount of weight you have to carry in the next race. I think the Japanese SuperGT series does that
this ballast would not be added or counted for the Le Mans race
@@whoeveriam0iam14222 That would work except the races all have different points.
It is how they do it in super Gt.
I dont know why they dont just use the BOP they had in Le Mans last year. It was perfect. All the hybrid cars were fastest at some point, they all led at some point, and it was down to the inherent strengths and weaknesses of the cars, that the BOP is now getting rid of, and the team operaition/ drivers that determined success.
It isnt BOP, its a success ballast.
@@dylanburston7453How can they use the Le Mans BoP if all of the tracks are different? The BoP for Le Mans wouldn't work for Imola for example as it doesn't have those long straights. Using the same BoP over and over again doesn't make sense.
@@Maenfy It isnt based on the tracks. They determine the BOP before they turn up, its more of a success ballast, because they never remove any weight, they just keep adding it to other cars, and that isnt sustainable
And because every car makes the same downforce and uses the same tyres, it will be the cars inherent strengths and weaknesses that will determine their success at other tracks, which is how it should be.
Because as it is now, Toyota and Ferrari are getting unduly punished for making fast reliable cars and because they cant claw back any performance thru adding downforce or reducing drag, and their tyres are going to wear out faster and faster.
At the same time, Porsche is being rewarded for making a slightly unrelaible car.
Peugeot don't have an advantage with the 150kph hybrid deployment as they have a square tyre set up, so because they run a thinner rear tyre where most the power is delivered, they can release their hybrid to the front wheels at a lower speed than the rest. Their bop was definitely a big factor with their competitive drive, but not the 150kph vs 190kph hybrid deployment speed.
It's also why Toyota initially suffered massively at Sebring and specifically Sebring a couple of years back when they switched from the square tire setup, which raised the deployment limit.
Bop is necessary evil, it must stay but FIA/ACO must find a better way to set it, given that toyota had graining issues. At Imola the new "two-stages" BoP, apparently pushed by manufacturers, should make its debut. Let's hope will be easier to the organizers to set a reasonable ballance between LMH and LMDh cars.
That Race was awesome for me to watch, and my fav is Lambo 💚
Shouldn't the technical regulations serve as the BoP ?
That would be ideal but the maFIA and ACO want to artificially create "competitiveness" at the expense of fairness. And they give no explanations for changes at the start or mid season changes.
No, because the sporting regulations and the technical regulations serve different requirements. If you took one element away, you'd have a very different competition.
The technical regulations allow for a wide variety of designs to built depending on how much or how little the manufacturers want to build in house.
The sporting regulations make cars with a less-than-optimal performance viable.
The priorities for both are to have a big, relatively close running field on sustainable budgets.
BOP should be there to balance the performance and not make one team dominate over the others for no apparent reason for a layman watching from the sideline.
Central control doesn't work, doesn't matter if your applied to economics (socialism) or to racing, it's all the same, you can't have all the information and make perfect future predictions, life doesn't work like that
BoP is way of life here. Either live with it or go to F1 or MotoGP to watch unrestricted race
Yeah the WWE of the race world, enjoy your fake racing.
A cost cap may solve the problem. If they can enforce (a real) one.
Well looking at F1 I'm not sure if that is a good solution.
There isn't a problem to solve. People just need to get used to what a sustainable top class in sports car racing actually looks like. It isn't just F1 with longer races and more bodywork.
It's imposible to implement as most of the development is made ad-hoc for this cars, so there's no way to estimate the real cost. Prices exist because there's a market in which services are interchanged, that doesn't happen in top motorsports. No market -> no prices. You can fake numbers, but it it doesn't represent the reality in any way
How will the BoP rating work for Le Mans? Too much prestige to cause a controversy.
I am sure it will be favorable to Toyota.
@@perfectman3077 How so?
Update: Cadillac unfortunately being DSQ...
I still think the bop is way too severe and influence, especially in very long races. I wish wec would tune it down in the future
Porsche é a marca que mais venceu corridas de endurece da história. Acho que o bop só aproxima mas o melhor carro acaba vencendo
História é treta … já passou, já era. Bop apenas afastou o melhor carro da vitória!
This is a prlogue, I'm guessing all this data is going to determine the BOP for the real season.
Quality analysis. Happy for Porsche. All the BoP is so boring and feels like a way to assure Fia can control the race
It's way to assure manufacturers that they can spend a fixed amount, rely on 3rd party suppliers for major components and receive a package in return that is competitive and generates a return on their investment.
Like it or not, there would not be parity between IMSA and WEC without BoP and that would mean a much, much smaller field of cars in the top class.
@@dienkonig33 Better to have a smaller field than fake racing. WEC is trash, it's a marketing exercise.
I think BOP could have been better. They should take track layout into consideration. My main reasoning is if the track like in Quatar has to some degree very fast corners, like the last 3 corner section, heaviest cars will suffer more because of tyre degradation. Adding some little weight to Porsche and Peugeot would definitely equalise the chances.
The phrase "lap time simulation" suggest they very much are taking the track into consideration. It's probably just a lack of data considering some of the cars are brand new and they have to get a baseline from somewhere.
@dienkonig33 if they would, lap times would be much closer. I saw the whole race Porsche was flying through the fast corners. It was not even comparison for Toyota and Ferrari. Toyota was struggling a lot in those sectors. Ferrari was better than Toyota but still not so fast as Porsche.
@@michawozniak5492 Well they can't simulate everything especially on a new track with plenty of new cars. The BoP will probably be better on tracks they already have data on.
@@MaenfyI believe that they are getting closer to what it should have been and there won't be some big changes to BOP for Imola maybe except for Toyota. A good spot is closer racing for last year brands. This should be the 1st priority, as the newcomers still need to get to understand their cars full potential.
Better to limit engine capacity to a specific value and sand bag the winner …
Before the fastest and slowest car was decided by the teams of hardworking engineers competing between them, now it looks like is decided by a bunch of FIA people in a room
I think you're forgetting a pretty important pair of factors that become extremely important when car performance levels are equalised.
I think comparing lap times from previous years should be shown. IOT see if the slower cars are dragging down the fast. Says the Mustang fan. 🤕
Spectacular race whit almost no insidents only a couple of yellow flags. Maybe that's the reason why Peugeot still whit no fuel at the end?? 🤔
imo "racing" created by BoP like this feels way more artificial than DRS
It's different
DRS is made to create more passing opportunities during a race
BoP is made to keep a close field so that no team all out dominate and kills the series
If they don't change it porsche would dominate like toyota@@Theo_Aubusson
@fqeagles21 yeah probably but it's still early in the season rn
@@Theo_Aubussonplenty of series dont do bop and are not dying so thats not how it always have to be. Honestly, the wec field is just as spread out at any given race as f1, even with the bop. I had been waiting for half a decade for the current grid, but have to say, i'm not enjoying it.
@@askeladden450 I'm not saying every series should do that, but for WEC it is a somewhat understandable. Also it's really early to judge the BoP as it is because 3 new manufacturers have joined this year and it's the first year where BoP as a really big impact, you need to wait for a few years for them to adjust it.
For F1 it's much more different with much higher budget teams and regulations with less liberty in their design.
BoP can absolutely work well like in GT3 and i never really saw someone complaining about those.
Nowadays apart from F1 there not really any series letting the team do what they want without something of a BoP and even F1 as some kind of BoP with the limitations in wind tunnel testing for example.
Punished by BOP for engineering a good car?
They all are
BOP people: How the hell are we going to get Peugeot to win!!!???
I am all for BoP.
This attracts more manufactors and we get to see more racing.
But I have to say that this is a bit too much influenced by the BoP.
I feel like you could just lazy develop a car as cheap as possible and drive it one season just to get the lowest weight and highest hp next season and earn lots of points this way.
There should be a limit to how much BoP can influence the performance so that great engineering will be rewarded.
Nice video, but BoP = Sh*t
This BoP is just asinine with how the regs are already designed to balance out the performance of the cars a fair bit. Almost 1100kg for a top class proto is just sad. The fact that we have to judge every race result against a BoP sheet when given no serious on-track drama (talking mostly about retirements, reliability, bad strategy calls etc) is just sad. F1 cost cap is probably the only BoP system I find has potential to not be annoying to fans of the engineering side of motorsports. It's not perfect, but it's not "OK this team won so let's see how big of an advantage they got from BoP" levels of annoying while being low maintenance and much more consistent than completely unverifiable lap-time simulations. You also have less of a problem with teams running AWOL with budget since loopholes for shell companies/subcontractors could be patched out and managed. Plus, if you're only using it on one series you'll never be able to experiment and find out what sort of restrictions make it work better or worse and how to police it properly.
BMW really needs to get their stuff together as well, the engine they chose has good potential and they've always had a knack for building the most ridiculous engines for any series they choose to race in. It's sad that they can't get the package to work properly and achieve decent pace. I don't want to see them abandon another series when they're an inch away from winning, unless they want their brand to be forever associated with how they fumbled the 2008 F1 season.
BoP way off
Not really
@@ReXzzreally, other cars werent made competitive, the winning cars were simply punished into being not competitive
@@ReXzz
Over 3% power/weight offset
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@@andreasnordenhof7250 nonsense. Ferrari beat Porsche in Bahrain. The only BoP change they received was 2 kW less power. The Porsche lost 9 kW and also got 2 kg extra weight. And now it was a lot faster, how does that add up? Answer is simple, Ferrari just didn't do well on that weekend.
I find it weird that bop even exists in the prototype class. It’s not a spec series and good engineers shouldn’t be punished for the incompetence of others.
I know bop was a thing in the past, that still doesn’t justify it.
BoP $ucks coz we all know that Ferrari and Toyota are very competitive...but Bop handicapped their pace and massacred their race.
We could have had another epic Ferrari vs Toyota battle...
If WEC would have just applied this BOP last year Peugeot never would have added a wing to their car. Such a wasted opportunity all due to negligence by WEC.
The Peugeot is just a bit too out there unfortunately. Even with the maximum BoP it would never go well at a track like Sebring due to the bumpy surface and that creates a problem for all the other cars which are closer together in concept.
@@dienkonig33 Every team in every sport has good tracks and bad tracks.
Seeing the 9x8 so close to the top this has to be very nearly ideal.
Peugeot actually finished in the top 10 at LeMans last year so with this BoP they might even be competitive... Oh the irony if Peugeot can start taking podiums with this car and then it all goes to shambles when they introduce the new 9x8 at LeMans.
Well, last year's BoP was suposed to be between Hypercars and LMD, that is, between platforms, they had to break their own rule to get Peugeot closer to the rest and to get Ferrari to win Le Mans
If aiming for as close as possible racing, why not to do monoseries, why to make the illusion of manufacturers' competition?
I know it's money but that feels like deceit
Because all of those manufacturers want to race their own cars?
Why would Porsche want to race a Ferrari for example? Diversity is a huge part of sports car racing.
@@Maenfy it's not diversity, it's bullshit.
@@user-ne3rb8ps8jSo having 9 different manufacturers in both classes is not diverse? It's definitly not spec racing, I can tell you that much.
This year VAG group bought wec
I thought they always did some 2012
I thought they always did since 2012
No matter who wins the race, there is always the sour aftertaste of BoP.
Bop will be the deth of racing
BoP has been around for like 20+ years yet and works great in GT3 for example.
The BOP is just based on one man's likes/ dislikes. It's good when it is help up to standard. They need to find a netter way to rate the BOP so that the cars are even everywhere.
I liked the race, but I think bop is the thing they should get rid of. It is good for making the show and making the slowest car surprisingly fast in the next race. But it ruins the nature of Motorsport as a competition between drivers and engineers itself. Now it seems like you don’t need to have well qualified engineers and race car designers to win the races and it makes me feel like watching the wrestling show where the winner is chosen even before the start.
Seems like you don't understand bop and why
@@JoshuaC923 Than I’d be happy if you could explain me
And don’t you agree that Toyota and Ferrari have obviously better cars than for racing out of top-5?
@@studenteesemplare8759 the bop definitely can be improved, and will improve with more races. It's not perfect but without bop there will be no racing
@@JoshuaC923 I think your opinion is only half true, because racing is already has around a hundred years of history, and there were interesting races with many different battles in all the categories of racing.
Just as example, Peugeot car is obviously slower than their team was expecting (not to mention that the attempt to build the wingless car is really brave), but having bop like here in Qatar in all the races last year, they wouldn’t even need to make an evo version of 9X8 because bop is the thing that helps them.
So my opinion is that bop kills the engineering part of the sport and racing becomes more artificial
@@studenteesemplare8759 look what happened to all the top sports car series without bop
Typical of FIA which always twist the rule to favour French Cars. Toyota and Ferrari were robbed.
The BOP is controlling the races too much! Toyota and Ferrari were really hurt be the high weight on this moto GP track.
Just goes to show the masterpieces toyota and ferrari have created despite the penalties.
Its gonna hilarious when teams decide to exploit the BoP to get any advantage.
I dont care about WEC when most shit car (normaly would be like 2sec behind per lap) can ran on 4/2 place becouse of BoP
It is not the sport anymore. They can tune the conditions in favor of one or another car...
I hate BoP, this is anti-sport. Instead of praising engineering, solution and creativity, you punish them...
Ferrari win Lemans last year for the crash of Kobayashi car, because one lmp2 car crashed for the back entering in one yellow flag zone.
That's the only reason why Ferrari wins at Lemans 2023.
BoP is shit
BoP is just so boring. WEC has managed to kill the prototype class. Bravo.
So much garbage BoP whining. Business as usual, but tiresome at this point.
This BOP sh ! T is so embarrassing, get rid of it immediately.
Just have the regulations, a max budget and let the best team win, no reason to not do that and be better.
Artificial race dominated by BoP, maybe the simulator is more exciting than the race. Hope to abandon the BoP, may the best driver in the best car win.