American coffee ☕️ vs. German coffee culture
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Join me with your favorite hot beverage because I'm just scratching the surface and comparing American coffee culture and German coffee culture.
American living in Germany
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Ok, who here drinks craft coffee and who drinks Jacob’s from the grocery store? Let me know so I can see what coffee we’ll be having together!
To be honest, I think the hype about craft coffee shops is totally exaggerated. Especially when it comes to ruin a good and real coffee. Either by some kind of sugar syrpus with artificial or other flavors. A high quality and delicious coffee does not have to be totally overpriced, as is the case with Starbucks, for example.
You're right about the whole syrup thing.
As for the coffee shop thing...
I don't know.
The thing is, you can get coffees that's not available in the stores there.
And it's often a better social setting.
Europe has this culture of coffee shops being a meeting place of the intelligentsia.
A place you can meet up to talk with likeminded people.
And a place with high quality coffee, where you can explore different beans etc.
Coffee and coffee is two *very* different things.
Look up the video by Tom Scott where James Hoffmann tries to teach him to *like* coffee.
They explore different coffees.
And I think you'll find it interesting.
@@Luredreier That video is an eye opener, well worth watching .
James Hoffman is such a coffee nerd!
The USA isn't able to do anything without putting $ first. I'm glad Australia kept its coffee culture closer to European with its roots in Italian culture.
To be honest, the craft coffees are also just eyewash because they are not real roasting facilities in the conventional sense and otherwise a good normal coffee as it goes through the filter does not have to be expensive. No, I do not understand this hype about this craft coffees s where there is a bakery on every corner with good German coffee.
A coffeehouse is in the German and Austrian understanding is essentially an extension of your living room, or it has actually been that historically, especially during the "high-times" of Viennese coffeehouse-culture in the 19th century and the Fin-de-Siècle.
And you are not supposed to be working in your living room now, are you? (of course, with the Pandemic this has changed, but even then, drinking coffee is more something to be understood as "leisure" and not "ZOMG I NEED AN ENERGY BOOST NAO!" thing)
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Speaking about the Wifi: I think there are two other reasons for not having Wifi this much in Cafés (and other places in general):
1) Germany is a highly developed country - but if it comes to highspeed internet access, we are quite lagging behind - and are even behind countrys like e.g. Romania. Sad but true. Well, in bigger cities it is ok, but it's still an issue. Me and my family are very grateful for having a 1 Gigabit glassfiber datarate in our apartement in Frankfurt am Main (which is necessary, we are 4 persons, everybody has his cellphone and then there are 3 pc, 3 Google Nest/Nest mini, 3 tablets, 2 xbox, 3 TV, 2 TV Receiver, 1 blueray player, 1 Philips Hue Bridge with 3 connected lamps, 1 Laptop).
2) Not long ago, there was a law called "Störerhaftung" which means "Responsibility of disturber" - In German law, Störerhaftung refers to the responsibility of a person uninvolved in the actual infringement, the so-called "disturber". This principle is particularly important in Internet law and file sharing, but is also applied in property and administrative law. Means in practice: if someone uses your internet connection for something illegal (e.g. sharing copyright-files), than it is possible that you as the owner of the connection are liable...
That's the reason why Wifi is not so common as in the US (yet).
Grocery store coffee can be quite good as well in Germany. We use Lavazza coffee in an espesso machine. Yummy!
Lavazza is yummy? Sorry Lavazza is Supermarket and Gastro Coffee. U should explore other Brands. Believe me.
@@fethryduck It's good enough for my unsophisticated taste. All those grossly overpriced, alledgedly superior boutique brands are not for me.
Germans used to be quite pragmatic when it comes to coffee. Melitta Bentz invented paper filters 1908 in Dresden and we used it for our morning and afternoon coffee. It wasn't spectacular, but good enough. Then came Italian coffee culture and everyone wanted to have an espresso machine, but without the hassle, hence the rise of Senseo and capsule machines. Simultaneously Starbucks invaded and fancy craft coffee roasters got hip.
I think neither the Americans nor the Germans have a healthy relationship with coffee anymore. In my eyes the Italian coffee culture is the most reasonable: GOOD coffee, but no fancy shit, without any hype or consumerism. Just an unexcited daily amenity.
Wow!!! I did not know this! I learned about Gladbeck from you all (still trying to figure out how to do a respectful video on it) and now that paper filters were invented by a german! Have you been to Italy for coffee? It’s my dream
@@Flowersandolivia Not for coffee, but for University and many vacations. - Why are you still dreaming, just go to Italy for a few days. It's not so far from Leipzig. I recommend going to Rome first, everything in Italy has to compare to Rome. And NOW would be the best time by the way: Not as hot as in the summer and the Scirocco (a bad wind that makes headache) in autumn should also be over. And the rainy winter isn't here yet as well. GO! 😜
FYI: NEVER ever drink or order Cappuccino after 11 AM! It is a breakfast drink. Italians will despise you for that, hehe.
As far as I know, Italy has an actual law that mandates any cafe must sell an espresso for 1€ (it might be a little higher now, and that only goes for buying and drinking it at the bar, not necessarily when sitting down at a table). But just shows their culture's view on how important coffee is there.
From my experience Italian coffee isn't necessarily any different than German, these days. Yes, they prefer espresso there, and not nearly as much cappuccino as Germans, but you often see same brand of machines in bars, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they are largely the same roasts as well. Just the same old story; everything's increasingly same-ish everywhere ... of course, I'm sure if you're really into it you can still find some local gems that offer something different.
I did read your comment and 2 points nailed it:
• Fanzy (i call it Style product)
• Brand; Industrial (Names like Lavazza, Jacobs etc.)
Look at the LavaZZa pack and you can already see AHA fenzy product.
But is quality in or does it only suggarate it?! For a high price you could brag about as well!?
• No
Lavazza and Co. are not great beans.
No true complexity...i will stop me here lol.
Same for Capsel coffee which is fking joke.
What counts for Coffeebeans counts also for 'so said' mashines brewing them.
Melita is for normal coffee ookay but all Ger brewing mashines are weak making espresso etc..
Perfect brew temp is 93°C and constant as keyword.
Which is why the used temp. engine of those mashines fail to deliver at under 400€.
Yes sadly it is.
De'Longhi is not good at all, but a advertised fanzy product with cheap parts used inside missusing italian coffee culture to sell their crap in Mass for high profit.
Take *Sage Barrista Pro:*
Not the best of the best but good midfielder.
3sec rdy after pressing button on.
Special heater technology.
relativ constant good brew temp. arround 92-94°C
No Milta, De'Longhi, WMF or what not could hold on to it.
Those are just that products for the mass.
Overall the standart is higher in Germany vs US by a good amount.
Germany has less a coffee culture and more a cake culture whcih happens to involve some sort of coffee...though naturally the quality varies based on the region. Still, nothing to write home about...tea culture on the other hand is BIG in the north. Like so big, they got extra rations of tea after WWII. So big that it is considered a cultural heritage. There is a whole ritual connected to it.
Moin Olivia, wenn meine Frau und ich meine Eltern zum Kaffee eigeladen haben, hat meine Mutter immer darauf bestanden, daß 'Kaffeezeit' um 3 uhr und nicht um 4 uhr sei!
Und nu brauchich erst mal meinen Morgenkaffee..
Grüße von der Elbe Ben
It's the same with coffee as with everything. Deal with it and you know that you know nothing. (To the point where you've learned something new again) or drink coffee and don't think about it any further.
Ohaaaa, this time I forgive you one again,You forget the real verry importend Big City of Frankfurt
Jacobs in my region is often called Jakotz... Germany has one of the cheapest and worst coffee markets in the world. Go ask some south american coffee traders for that. Beans for Germany? Oh take the ones nobody else will buy... Its horrendous... But the US is close to that. Some of the shittiest coffees i drunk where in the US. They shot one bean through a gallon of hot water and served it as "coffee". So i am not a craft coffee guy all day, but i prefer italian roastings way over every Jakotz, Tschibo or much worse bean like the ones from the discounter. A good segafredo will do it for the day to day and its affordable.
Frankly, the ones from the Discounter are actually better than the named brands.
This is unfortunately true. However, you can buy great beans everywhere and make your own cafe. Portafilter machines are an investment for the home. It's actually very hard to find something tasty when you're away from home. In Italy, there is no such thing as bad coffee on the go. In Germany it is a matter of luck! You can say that we Germans are quite undemanding, which doesn't have to be a negative thing!
If you want to experience coffee the way it should be, you consider visiting Italy and enjoying coffee at lower prices and much better quality ! The term "coffee culture" does not really apply either to Germany or the US I am afraid. Btw, Italians have cappucino for breakfast only.
I'm sure Italy has a great coffee culture.
One thing though, ever tried the nordic coffee culture?
Nordic people drink a *lot* of coffee.
And at least in our cities you'll find coffee houses with great coffee quality.
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American coffee culture. Hahaha. An oxymoron.
German Coffee culture? Are you kidding me? Neither Germany nor the US have anything what can be called a coffee culture. As an Austrian I feel at least as much offended as any Italian will feel, when hearing the combination of the words coffee, culture and Germany/US without the essential word „no“. ;-)
Leider wahr! Wir in Deutschland trinken (glaubt man einschlägigen Untersuchungen) alles - Lieber den Magen verrenkt, als dem Barista was geschenkt! :-)
During my ten years in the US as an expat for a german company, we (Germans) hat the joke "amerikanischer Kaffee ist eine bohnenlose Gemeinheit".
I do not drink coffee. Never got into it. Don't miss it. Meh.
Olivia is so relatible. Your posts are so interesting
I buy the cheapest coffee (real coffee) and I use a simple BODUM maschine at home. I pay 12 Euro a month. If somebody likes to spend 200 Euro a month, go on then.
Klaus, you sound like my father in law! :) enjoy your coffee however you drink it ☕️
German coffee culture is originally a "4 o'clock (pm)" culture. Coffee drinking started as a social activity in the afternoon where you meet one another for a cake and a coffee. Then there is also the Vienna coffeehouse tradition where mostly men went into the coffeehouse to read e.g. a newspaper or book or play chess (or doing something similar) while drinking coffee - a setting reminding (maybe) a bit to English clubs. (The Vienna influence is however limited mostly to southern Germany, and in northern (coastal) Germany they have often more like a English tea culture than a traditional coffee culture.) Since the 1960s the Italian influence is growing, Italians introduced us Germans to espresso and cappucino, and this contributed in the last 20 or 30 years to push back the "grocery coffee", the great brands of coffee importers/roasters in Hamburg, Bremen and so on, allowing for smaller, 'craft' coffee roasters (mostly startups now, since the old, traditional, family businesses were all squeezed out in the 1950s and 1960s, as big and cheap was the only beautyful).
By the way: Craft coffee only, if I have a say. I like to know the origin of my coffee and to savour the different flavors of different blends from different countries and so on, even if I'm still no 'connoisseur' or 'coffee gourmet'. And it simply tastes better than any of the big sale varieties.
I live in Germany and the only thing that's different about coffee in Europe than the US is the ambiance. Same coffee blenders you see in Europe are the same in the US. Coffee beans mainly come from Latin America, Africa, and some other areas, but rarely Europe or the US. Europeans do add a cookie or treat and make the coffee scenery nice, but its still the same. Seattle has the best craft coffee bars in the world by far. Oh, Starbucks in any European county is always packed so the US must be doing something right.
I don't know about Germany.
But over here in Norway a lot of people have really *good* coffee at home.
You can buy beans in stores and ground them up yourself in the store, or buy them whole etc.
I usually don't drink coffee at all. But when I do drink it, I *neeeeed* coffee for the caffein.
There is only one or two stores that I truely love coffee.
The first is the Kaffeerösterei in Hamburg's Speicherstadt. Amazing place in one of the old industrial styled warehouses, with half being the floor for roasting the beans, simply roped off with small bollards, the other half is the small seating area, the counter where you order, and the tiny store where they sell their speciality craft coffees.
The second is when I visit Lugano, Ticino in Switzerland, and I can get real Italian style espresso or cappucino in one of the local cafés.
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Sorry you missunderstood german coffeeculture. First most of germans drink coffee at home, at work or on the way from bakeries to get or stay awake.
if you really want to drink a coffe, we had no coffeshops in the past . that's something new. we were and still going to bakeries or Cafes. most of the time we consume with cake, or something sweet. Cafetime is from 2pm to 4pm. in old days this was practised everyday at home sometimmes in Cafes etc or Ausflugslokalen. Nowadays it's mostly practiced on weekends and holidays.
Thank you so much for sharing ❤️
When you are in Munich again, try the Shadow Bean Café in Maxvorstadt. My favorite hang out. Great coffee and cakes in a geeky comic book environment.
I’ll add it to my list! Munich also has a place called Eataly. I know it is just a grocery store but I hear it is super cool! Have you been there?
man, i miss coffee... i used to drink it black in the morning but i ruined my stomach and im afraid to drink it again.
I would be too🙆🏻♀️ I’m sorry! You must have had so much. You were almost made of coffee. I hope you are ok and better now.
I’m not a coffee expert by any means but I can tell you all about hot chocolates in several countries on this planet😂
You do love a good craft coffee and are willing to go the extra mile to get it😊
Honestly- we are a perfect match. Always let me try your drink and never ask to try mine 😂❤️
German coffee culture is highly influenced by french, italian yet austrian coffee culture. Thats imho why it is what it is. No french nor italian would want to have his coffee on the run...
Are you serious! I've been spending my holidays in Tuscany for 10 years and I can say: A coffee is the fastest thing I can drink anywhere. It's super fast, but you're never in a hurry. :-)
@@spirwes64 Thats exactly what i meant maybe even fast but never in a hurry !
from the viewpoint of an austrian: Germans have no coffee culture. Italians have. Italian coffe is real coffee, Austrian coffee is real coffee, we have a real coffee culture, German coffee is "Abwaschwasser" or "Blümchenkaffee". (Abwaschwasser: The water after washing your dishes, "Blümchenkaffee": Coffee that is so weak that you can see the paintings on the bottom of the cups (mostly flowers in war/pre-war times))
😂I laughed. I love those terms that is so funny. Thanks for sharing! Well, I guess I need to get to Austria and Italy ASAP :) thank you for watching and taking time to comment ☺️
in my little village with 3k there is a Kaffeerösterei
best Coffee i have ever had in my life 🙋♂
Montagmorgen.. -2 Grad..
Nu brauch ich erstmal nen Kaffee..
Moin Arno, schöne Week, Arno..
@@tasminoben686 🙋♂️dir auch, Ben!
Coming from Australia big on coffee culture especially in Melbourne where I live you can get a great coffee any where in Australia espresso of course not that drip abomination