It’s ridiculous how misinformed Chase is. The game was 12-14 to eagles until 7:56 of 4th quarter. At that point Ravens had left 7 points on the table from missed kicks.
On Draft day Lamar told Coach Prime on Stage “They gon get a *SUPER BOWL outta me” when asked about how he felt about slipping so far in the draft. He didn’t say MVP he said SB. He’s trying HIS best and it happens to earn him MVPS but he wants a SB 🏆.
Yeah until he wins a Super Bowl, any more MVPs will just fuel the narrative that he collapses when it matters most in the playoffs. He doesn’t care about MVPs, he just wants to win a Super Bowl for Baltimore and silence the Lamar-postseason narrative
Guys Lamar doesn't care about the MVP he wants to get in the super bowl ....Y'all fight hard to go after Lamar meanwhile Burrow will be watching the playoffs ....
No sense of beating a dead horse. Meaning why mention Burrow when his season is already over? Best to focus on the ones who are contending for the playoffs & Superbowl.
They acting like those miss field goals were Lamar Jackson’s fault I will also like to mention how bogus this is here’s why I call this bogus. They had the Buffalo Bills who at the end of the season was 11 and six, but who was one of the top candidates to be MVP that season ? Josh Allen that record thing is the most BS thing I’ve ever heard when it came to choosing who could be a MVP candidate. It has never been like that and they know it not to mention whenever the bills lost they never really blamed the quarterback for the loss so how about we call things fairly and just judge it based off of the performance of the player there are times when you could do whatever you can you can throw for 300 yards throwing seven touchdowns and you could still lose because the other factors hold back your team
so joe burrow is the mvp then, if were just looking at personal performances and dont care about the record. and personally , when i played in school, the only job a kicker should have is extra points because the offense scores touchdowns, i played qb (not at a high level or anything lol) and even then , there was no way i was blaming a kicker for missing a field goal, when all a field goal is is the kicker trying to bail out the offense for not doing their job.
@brucebarnes311 I somewhat agree with you but a kicker in the nfl is 10 times the chess piece than he is in HS or college. If the chiefs didn't have an elite kicker they'd have 5-6 loses this year. Kicking field goals in the nfl is the difference between wins and losses. Ravens are down 3 games this year as a direct result of missed field goals.
@ not saying this is how I look at it , but the counter argument is that they aren’t down 3 games because the kicker , but that they could have been up 3 games if the kicker bailed the bad offence out
Who actually cares about that? Lamar won 2 MVPs already. Saying he didn’t play great last night is insane. The world has unrealistic expectations for 8 to play every position on the field. At the end of the day he wants the Super Bowl and his chances for that aren’t over just yet. This is a great team they just need to lock in.
Acho is making the least sense out of anybody up there. I don’t think Lamar is the reason they lost but the Ravens didn’t out play the Eagles. They put up more yards because they were forced to play catch up
@ True…. but the Ravens were down and had to play catch up in the 4th while the Eagles played ball control in crunch time. It makes sense that the Ravens would have more yards because of the 1st q and being down in the 4th q
If the penalty disparity weren't 1;9 with NO HOLDING called on EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAY with Jalen Carter, it wouldn't have been remotely close. See how easy that is?
If Tucker makes the fields goals the eagles don’t let their foot off the gas and Lamar is not getting garbage time points. Ifs can go far beyond just the field goals
Lamar is the best QB and the most impactful player in the league. He has a bad defense and a bad kicker. The eagles are a playoff team without saquon the ravens can’t sniff the playoffs without Lamar
1: Saquon & Lamar play two diff positions, different impact levels 2: Lamar had a top three defense last year and pedestrian stats & didnt win (won mvp) 3: Justin Tucker has only recently been missing kicks this year. 4: the Ravens went to the playoffs after Lamar was out injured and nearly won a playoff game with their backup. Ravens/Eagles are pretty similar/even, Eagles jus played better as a team Sunday.
Stats are deceiving in this game. Eagles W 24-12. Jalen Hurts made plays when needed. He accounted for 14 of the eagles points. Lamar only got his second passing TD when we were loading up the buses.
Exactly. Not gonna credit a guy for scoring with a minute to go. They're blaming Tucker but the offense scored just as many points as Tucker when it mattered.
But...he made the plays to get them in position for those kicks lol against a good Eagles defense. The game would then be 19-14 Ravens in the 4th quarter. It's an entirely different ballgame at that point. Eagles may still end up winning, but it looks a lot worse than it was for Lamar and the offense against a solid Eagles D.
Even if Lamar wins the superbowl it won’t be enough in the media. Look at A Rod who has a Super Bowl and multiple MVPs who gets attacked by the media at every nook and turn. Lamar and the ravens should just reset at the bye week and try and make a good run to the playoffs. Then the playoffs is a whole different season.
Rodgers is playing bad, Rodgers is also the most talented QB outside of one playoff run has played very bad in the playoffs. Thats the issue, stop moving the goal post. Lamar has played bad in the playoffs, his only signature win was a rookie QB and rookie coach playing in their first playoffs. Thats the difference.
I get what you are saying but I still can't buy into the steelers and I'm not sure why I think it's because I don't trust Russ In these big games,but we most likely are disrespecting the steelers they are dangerous i hope I don't underestimate them
@@rodiperez7918 Idk man, of the QBs that are gonna start for these playoff teams, Russ is one of the better ones. Lamar hasn't shown up, Allen has at times but he can't get past the Chiefs, I like my guy Herbert but he hasn't shown up either. I definitely don't trust Geno or Darnold in the playoffs. Then you have CJ, Daniels, and Bo Nix who are all still too young. Other than that, there's Goff, Mahomes, Hurts, and Russ. Maybe Stafford. Those are your guys who have the experience and have been to Super Bowls. That's it. Russ is actually on the short list of the more trustworthy QBs imo.
I’m sorry, Acho be wildin sometimes!!! Chase Daniel defending the Eagles says it right there. Cause he is one of the biggest Philly doubters. Acho is an MVP voter too and he wear glasses!!! Eagles had the lead, 14-12 for a very long time before Saquon put it away and the defense stopped the Ravens.
What yall aren't talking about with that last drive is if they didn't miss those kicks, it's a 5 point game on the final drive. Those missed kicks mattered for the end result because without them, the ravens are leaving the Eagles down at least 1 point with 3 seconds left
That's assuming the game wouldn't have taken an entirely different turn leading to the same outcome. The hypotheticals don't Baltimore in the win column Look at Elliot. Missed 9 points in kicks against the commanders. Eagles still won.
@deytookourjobz9798 what would have gone different? The Eagles wouldn't have had good field position after the missed kicks? The ravens wouldn't have been going for it on 4th down giving the Eagles good field position again? The Eagles don't have to change their play calling at all because they would still be up
Did you not watch the last drive? The eagles played soft prevent defense. They let them take everything underneath. But if we wanna talk hypotheticals and ifs then let's play. Jalen carter was held every other play. The ravens oline is the most penalized line in the league. Not a single call against them. The refs penalized the eagles 8 times for 55 yards, almost all of which extended drives for the ravens offense in crucial moments. The eagles forced 3 fumbles all of which the ravens luckily got back. This game was heavily skewed for the ravens and they still lost. The kicker is part of the team too. But if the ravens are so great then why did they have to rely on their regressing kicker and not just score tds? This excuse is bs. They got dominated by the eagles. Luck, refs, and garbage time td kept it from looking as bad as it actually was.
People saying the missed kicks dont matter is wild. They gave the Eagles great field position on top of taking points off the board for the Ravens. It wouldve been 19-14 in the 4th. The Ravens never wouldve gone for it on 4th and 5 in their own territory (leading to the Eagles FG) if that had been the score, or if the Eagles were up 21-19. Its an entirely different game. Having said that, the Eagles defense is impressive.
This segment is about his chances at winning mvp. Not if he cares buddy. There for making your comment irrelevant.. 🤦♂️ some of y’all can’t comprehend things huh
I said it before and I'll say it again, if the Superbowl was tomorrow. And the Eagles had to play with anyone they win that game. This team is scary 🙀😳🙀😳
Bro kept repeating "it was 24 -12 forever" did YOU watch the game?? Was literally 14-12 for two quarters stop the fkn cap. It would have actually been 19-14 for the Ravens until the 4th quarter if Tucker makes his kicks.
5:56 acho is crazy. To say the eagles got out played is crazy. The only quarter they looked good in was the first. They scored 3 points until that garbage time TD.
Exactly we held the best offense in the league to 12 points and he wanna say ravens outplayed them 😭 Did he miss how many times our defense sacked Lamar that game???
@ he don’t give the eagles any credit, our defense is to physical for them Lamar was scared to run, Henry got shut down, and our defense put Lamar under pressure all night. Idk wat game he was watching but the eagles did they thing our defense showed up big time
MVP voting committee should be made up by ACTUAL MVP winners. Imagine a world where Acho, who was garbage in the NFL, has a vote in who should win the MVP. 😂
Between the first quarter and the garbage time TD in the last 30s the Ravens scored 3 points, for most of the game their defense kept it a 2pt game at worst & kept Barkley under 50 yards until late. How tf is everyone else except Lamar/the offense getting any blame? He earned 12pts, thats it. Raven fans can blame the K but settling for FGs means you failed anyway, and it still would've been 24-19 at best 'cause that D is shutting them down if they have to at the end. At some point you have to blame Lamar for not making the necessary plays.
Lamar suck in big games. Especially in the playoffs. We all know that. How many times they was number 1 in the playoffs and Lamar choked? Answer my question if you a real Ravens fan. Boy is garbage
Acho is just spewing stuff. Nobody said this about Goff throwing 85 yrds with several tds. The main thing is to win. Jalen does that. Joe Burrow has insane numbers but is on a losing team. It’s about winning. Hurts has shown that he can win if he needs to be relied on. Acho doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all.
@@andoversandlot8491 he also wins. Joe Burrow is elite. Ain’t done nothin. Lamar is 2xMVP and no Super Bowl appearance at least. So I’ll take Mid and winning than individual accolades
Right, and teams with an excellent run game don't need their QB to throw 50 times. Acho can't decide which side he wants to be on. Sometimes he gives opposing takes in the same show, especially against the Eagles, specifically about Jalen Hurts. Chase finds a way to say Hurts is only being asked to throw 18-25 times a game. It's a good thing some days other days it's not... but its never compared to other QBs, like Goff. Like you, I'd continue to use the formula that's working. Jalen Hurts steps up when needed. He's a WINNER. Jalen is making great decisions. He has the authority to override the play call.
I'd still have henry in the running (I don't think he'll win) but Lamar should definitely be out unless he somehow has a crazy run the remainder of the year.
I love how chase mention the ravens being 22-1 against nfc before the eagles but little did he know that loss was against saquon barkely so yes Lamar lost twice cuz of saquon …..
They said QBs with that many L’s don’t win in it but he literally had almost as many last yr with a way harder schedule this yr!! Honestly I see him winning out the rest of the year and securing it
Nobody, including Lamar cares about another REGULAR SEASON MVP award. He wants playoff success so I’m glad this MV3 narrative is over! Get right during the Bye, finish the season strong, a make a playoff run!
The ravens had 3 possessions in which they scored 0 points. And allowed Barkley to win the game. It was 14-12 for the longest.. this is on Lamar and the offense.. they knew tucker has been struggling yet they relied on him to save them.
This take doesn’t make sense. You’d have to assume the Ravens are still in position to score the TD at the end of the game if Tucker makes those kicks which is something we’ll never know 🤷🏾♂️ Your offense needed to score more than two touchdowns to beat the Eagles and they couldn’t do it
It was two field goals and an extra point. But that isn't the reason the Ravens lost. The Ravens lost because they were forced to settle for long-ish field goals instead of being able to use their top red zone offense.
Maybe, at one point it was 24-12, even if Tucker was perfect the score would be 24-19 and the Eagles wouldn't have the second string defense to try and stop the Ravens.
@@michaelnance8917 By the same logic, if the Ravens offense scored another TD early in the game instead of with 1 minute to go, we aren't talking about Tucker. You can't put it on your kicker when you're only getting him within 35 yards 1/4 times. The Ravens are fortunate he hit that 50 yarder.
Acho only speaking the truth he knows what he saw people acting like the Eagle dominated and the whole time Lamar look like he's was just playing around smiling not taking it serious.
Meh he has 2 MVPs already so not a big deal for him to win it this year. This year is about more postseason success and getting to the 🥣. The league has wanted Josh Allen to win MVP for years so imo Lamar has bigger fish to fry.
Hol Up! The media be quick to talk about Lamar not winning a superbowl and the MVP's don't matter... And now after ONE game that his kicker couldn't kick NOW its about the MVP😂 He already has 2 already! Only thing that matters is winning the Superbowl, NOT ANOTHER MVP! I'd rather Lamar miss winning the MVP this year and win the superbowl, than he win another MVP and lose in the playoffs!
He was never the MVP to begin with that was a narrative created by media. The Ravens are 1-5 when D Henry doesnt get 100 yards the formula for the is simple. Hes the not the most valuable this year
Henry had 30 carries this game and we still lost like actually shut up bro he leads in all QB categories this narrative makes no sense, Henry gets the most carries once they have a lead 9 times outta 10. You should watch the actual games and not the box score, Lamar still had a highlight reel even though he lost against Philly😭
Lamar had 3 possessions in which the game was 14-12. He didn’t do enough to score a td in 3 possessions.. and only led them down the field when the game was over. The mvp don’t rely on his kicker… especially when you have 3 opportunities to score a td and can’t..
And why are you blaming tucker when tucker has bailed out lamar & the ravens plenty of times. He has struggled this whole year. Yet lamar and harbaugh kept putting it in tuckers hands to win the game 😂😂 some mvp I tell ya
@ 1td came off of garbage time, his 40 yard run had a flag that got picked up because it was literally the end of the game. He fumbled the ball and got lucky his o line recovered it.. 😂😂 bum? Lmao that hurt you that bad you had to throw insults aweee what a poor baby..
The kicker leaves 7 points on the field... crazy how he's supposed to overcome that. These dudes are HATERS. Blame the kicker like you would the QB. He gets paid too.
Jake Elliott did this a couple of weeks ago he missed 2 FGs and 2 extra points we still won the game stop with these excuses especially when Tucker been missing all season 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
Even though I'm an eagles fan. I can confidently say, no. One bad game against the #1 or even #2 defense (not sure which, but eagles defense is definitely one of the top 2) doesn't take away all he's done this season. However, mvp goes to either Allen or Barkley. No other way around that, barring any injury. Main thing is, this was one of lamars worst games to date. Another minor thing that media ignores, but thousands & thousands of people caught. How many times did the ravens (one of the most penalized teams in the nfl) oline have to desperately hold the eagles dline & not get called even once? Keep in mind, the most penalized team (105) only got 4 penalties to the eagles 8 & not one of those 4 were for the ravens oline holding. Game could have been a lot worst for the ravens.
Jalen did what he needed to do. Acho talks as if he couldn’t do more if more was asked. He didn’t even need to push the ball the same way or run as much because the Ravens yards were empty calories because they couldnt finish.
This loss wasn't one that they laid an egg. This was they ran into the best team in the league. The Eagles are a better team and are playing amazing the last eight weeks.
the thing no one mentions about the missed field goals is that where your turning the ball over. the eagles where starting there drives from the 40 because of tuck
Before garbage time, Lamar had 201 passing yards, 1 TD, and 40 rushing yards. Jalen has had similar stats, and everyone agrees he’s not playing at an elite level. Acho keeps including the garbage time stats to support his argument, but Lamar didn’t have a great game compared to how he’s been playing all season.
The points that were missed by Tucker did make us lose. Because let’s say the game stayed the same, the only difference is Tucker made all the kicks , the ravens would’ve won by 2 points. Yes , the offense should’ve played better but Tucker did make us lose
The problem is if Henry don’t do well , he got 20 carries didn’t get a 100 yards, put it on Henry because when they win y’all suggest it Henry won. Lamar could’ve ran for a 100 yards if he decided to
If you want to be real about it Tucker has cost the raven a few games and i don't know what happen to him because he used to be clutch and in all the losses, he accounts for over 24 points miss.
Don’t get me wrong Barkley and Alan are great MVP candidates but they don’t talk about when Barkley had under 100 rushing yards and nobody talks when Josh Allen threw 9 for 30 and lost to the Texans oh but he’s MVP he supposed to overcome that they only do it to Lamar. Justin Tucker is out here missing kicks Lamar is still giving you points three points that you should be easily getting if you have a good kicker.
Hey guys Acho is a MVP voter. Did yall know that? With 37 years of NFL experience on the panel. And Shady is the all time Eagles rushing leader? And Plus 4 superbowls between the Shady has 2. Also also. ...this is the most important discussion of the day.😂😂😂
How the award works blows my mind. Last year I didn't think Lamar should have won because his team didn't need him to play well to win. But because they won a lot of games he won the Award. He statistically is having a better year this year, but when he's not dialed in, they don't win. If he goes off the sheet and wins out 12 and 5, he is more deserving this year than last year. Conversely Josh Allen had to be AMAZING in all but 1 of Buffalos wins last season, lead the NFL in total TDS and I believe total yards < not 100% on this. Doesn't win the MVP even though he had to do significantly more to get to double digit wins than Lamar had to. That said its wild the difference 1 year can make
Acho i appreciate the defense but you should've asked em about the 3rd quarter specifically. Ravens were in scoring position twice and lost. Eagles didn't even get a first down in the third quarter
@@matthewwilliams4168"BiNGO" the dude is not accurate with Football 🏈🏈🏈🏈 he's always chokes in big moments & big games & this was a big game against the eagles? Period
This is the greatest inconsistent team ever ...........because the coach refuses to replace players who consistently cost the teams games......because he respects them.........but others have been replaced after one mistake and never given another chance .
In the 2nd quarter, the Ravens had 9 total yards. In the 2nd half, they scored 1 field goal. The score was 14-12, with like, 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter. He did nothing, blame the kicker all you want, but the defense did more than enough to keep them in the game and the offense folded
Man you got to count that last touch td, the eagle didn’t stop playing defense, because if they get the offside kick it could be a different game ravens still had a time out with 40 second left on the clock, would have been on the 50.
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Y'all takes r trash about LJ8..one minute he is that and then his team mess up and y'all blame him...y'all trash..OMM..
It’s ridiculous how misinformed Chase is. The game was 12-14 to eagles until 7:56 of 4th quarter. At that point Ravens had left 7 points on the table from missed kicks.
Should have been 19-14
@ even if only one field goal was missed it would’ve been 16-14. Totally different game.
Kicker is part of the team too that's why the Ravens ain't winnin nothing@@cutonadime
@@manueleliseo4273 if Tucked continues to struggle then it’s looking that way
Shady dropped that “bigger bird “ line at the end 😂😂😂
On Draft day Lamar told Coach Prime on Stage “They gon get a *SUPER BOWL outta me” when asked about how he felt about slipping so far in the draft. He didn’t say MVP he said SB. He’s trying HIS best and it happens to earn him MVPS but he wants a SB 🏆.
Lamar need to worry about not choking in the playoffs
@@robertschoelerman7496 MVP Mostly Vanish in Playoffs 😂
Lets be honest, Lamar isn't a great passer and never will be. That's what's holding him back in the playoffs.
so just never mind him leading the league in passing yards and second in tds right??
He can care less about stats or awards. He wants a chip
He doesn't care about that award guys. He's looking for a Superbowl.
Yeah until he wins a Super Bowl, any more MVPs will just fuel the narrative that he collapses when it matters most in the playoffs. He doesn’t care about MVPs, he just wants to win a Super Bowl for Baltimore and silence the Lamar-postseason narrative
That's a copout. Every player who has ever put up MVP stats was looking for a Super Bowl. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Too bad he won’t get to the Super Bowl with the chiefs, bills & Steelers in their way lmao
@@Jaeger2498 bills ?
Than he must stop choking in the playoffs
Guys Lamar doesn't care about the MVP he wants to get in the super bowl ....Y'all fight hard to go after Lamar meanwhile Burrow will be watching the playoffs ....
Who brought you burrow? What does Lamar and hurts have to do with burrow?
@@tjayd1225 Lamar fans always gotta bring up Joe. They're insecure asf 😭
Might as well bring up Terry Bradshaw if we're bringing up ppl that nobody's talking about
@@CoachRJ334 he needs to worry about playoffs too 😂 they probably gonna be a wildcard to 6 or 7
No sense of beating a dead horse. Meaning why mention Burrow when his season is already over? Best to focus on the ones who are contending for the playoffs & Superbowl.
Ravens really beat them selves smh
Tucker won the eagles the game
always
Did y’all know Acho was a MVP voter
Oh really? I'm glad acho , is reminding me everyday😂😂😂.
i almost forgot..lol
Lol
Did you know they have 39 years of NFL experience
@@poolking25So you mean to tell me they are having the most important discussion in pro football right now?
They acting like those miss field goals were Lamar Jackson’s fault I will also like to mention how bogus this is here’s why I call this bogus. They had the Buffalo Bills who at the end of the season was 11 and six, but who was one of the top candidates to be MVP that season ? Josh Allen that record thing is the most BS thing I’ve ever heard when it came to choosing who could be a MVP candidate. It has never been like that and they know it not to mention whenever the bills lost they never really blamed the quarterback for the loss so how about we call things fairly and just judge it based off of the performance of the player there are times when you could do whatever you can you can throw for 300 yards throwing seven touchdowns and you could still lose because the other factors hold back your team
so joe burrow is the mvp then, if were just looking at personal performances and dont care about the record. and personally , when i played in school, the only job a kicker should have is extra points because the offense scores touchdowns, i played qb (not at a high level or anything lol) and even then , there was no way i was blaming a kicker for missing a field goal, when all a field goal is is the kicker trying to bail out the offense for not doing their job.
@brucebarnes311 I somewhat agree with you but a kicker in the nfl is 10 times the chess piece than he is in HS or college. If the chiefs didn't have an elite kicker they'd have 5-6 loses this year. Kicking field goals in the nfl is the difference between wins and losses. Ravens are down 3 games this year as a direct result of missed field goals.
@ not saying this is how I look at it , but the counter argument is that they aren’t down 3 games because the kicker , but that they could have been up 3 games if the kicker bailed the bad offence out
I mean Jake Elliott did the same thing a few games ago but we still won the game 🤷🏾🤷🏾🤷🏾
@ they also going against a team that can’t capitalize on stuff like that
Who actually cares about that? Lamar won 2 MVPs already. Saying he didn’t play great last night is insane. The world has unrealistic expectations for 8 to play every position on the field. At the end of the day he wants the Super Bowl and his chances for that aren’t over just yet. This is a great team they just need to lock in.
Yeah that's why I saw people all over videos crying when anyone else other than Lamar was being mentioned for MVP, now suddenly "it doesn't matter" 😂
@@legitdragon6202 I only see Josh Allen fans crying over how he can’t win one I hope he gets it this year so everyone can shut up.
i guess its unrealistic to win in the NFL.. the point is to WIN.. bros a fraud held up by 2 MVPS which are aswell fraudulent
@@terribleatchess football is a team sport lol I bet his stats are better than your favorite QB
@@legitdragon6202the fans care , Lamar even said it when he won his first he doesn’t really care he want a ring
“You miss the big picture here. A bigger bird.”🤣🤣🤣 -Shady McCoy
Smh it’s crazy Acho was making the most sense and Chase tries is hardest to tear Lamar down while saying Burrow playing good
Acho is making the least sense out of anybody up there. I don’t think Lamar is the reason they lost but the Ravens didn’t out play the Eagles. They put up more yards because they were forced to play catch up
@@cruluv3381ehh I hear but also they had more yards than the eagles throughout the entirety of the game
They out played them to a certain extent 1st quarter and 3rd quarter the eagles offense didn’t do anything overall they didn’t do anything special
@ True…. but the Ravens were down and had to play catch up in the 4th while the Eagles played ball control in crunch time. It makes sense that the Ravens would have more yards because of the 1st q and being down in the 4th q
That’s a fact they just wanna blame everything on Lamar like he plays defense and on the special team smh
Shady crazy "a bigger bird" 🤣
I agree with Acho being realistic if Tucker makes the field goals it’s a different conversation but like always let’s blame Lamar
You could say “If this, if that” in just about every game ever.
Why did they need tucker. Because the offence led by qb lamar couldnt move the chains
When you settle for fields goals, you lose the game. Period.
If the penalty disparity weren't 1;9 with NO HOLDING called on EVERY SINGLE DEFENSIVE PLAY with Jalen Carter, it wouldn't have been remotely close.
See how easy that is?
If Tucker makes the fields goals the eagles don’t let their foot off the gas and Lamar is not getting garbage time points. Ifs can go far beyond just the field goals
Lamar is the best QB and the most impactful player in the league. He has a bad defense and a bad kicker. The eagles are a playoff team without saquon the ravens can’t sniff the playoffs without Lamar
That has nothing to do with Lamar missing passes or fumbling
The win loss record says otherwise.
So what you're saying is, by evidence of the game we all just watched, that the Eagles are just a better team. Yeah but so what.
1: Saquon & Lamar play two diff positions, different impact levels
2: Lamar had a top three defense last year and pedestrian stats & didnt win (won mvp)
3: Justin Tucker has only recently been missing kicks this year.
4: the Ravens went to the playoffs after Lamar was out injured and nearly won a playoff game with their backup.
Ravens/Eagles are pretty similar/even, Eagles jus played better as a team Sunday.
Of course a QB is more impactful than a RB man 😭😭😭😭
He's soaking his sad tears w his other 2 MVP awards 😂😂😂
And his many playoffs wins, oh wait sike 😂
I’m sure he’d replace those to even reach a Super Bowl 😂
@@1inchpunisher715he has 2 not zero how many ring josh and burrow got ??
How many awards did you win?
Man, just like the great teams and players during Jordan's era. Pat will shame them all at the end of the day. Just like Brady did. Same ole story!
Bruh I’m so tired of Harbaugh making us look average…. Bruh our stats are all world but Harbaugh not being able to coach is killing us
I’m sayin doe, he’s gonna be the reason Ravens are just a good regular season team.
Stats are deceiving in this game. Eagles W 24-12. Jalen Hurts made plays when needed. He accounted for 14 of the eagles points. Lamar only got his second passing TD when we were loading up the buses.
Exactly. Not gonna credit a guy for scoring with a minute to go. They're blaming Tucker but the offense scored just as many points as Tucker when it mattered.
@@THE_BEAR_JEWnot even a minute it was 22 seconds left 😂
With 7 points missed off field goals. Keep it real. Who different game if he was hitting them fg’s. Eagles scored off the misses
But...he made the plays to get them in position for those kicks lol against a good Eagles defense. The game would then be 19-14 Ravens in the 4th quarter. It's an entirely different ballgame at that point. Eagles may still end up winning, but it looks a lot worse than it was for Lamar and the offense against a solid Eagles D.
Joe burrow did the same thing against the settlers, y'all say how Joe burrow needs help, Lamar does it, garbage stats
It’s a sad day when Acho is making since when it comes to Lamar Jackson
Even if Lamar wins the superbowl it won’t be enough in the media. Look at A Rod who has a Super Bowl and multiple MVPs who gets attacked by the media at every nook and turn. Lamar and the ravens should just reset at the bye week and try and make a good run to the playoffs. Then the playoffs is a whole different season.
He won't win one
Rodgers is playing bad, Rodgers is also the most talented QB outside of one playoff run has played very bad in the playoffs. Thats the issue, stop moving the goal post. Lamar has played bad in the playoffs, his only signature win was a rookie QB and rookie coach playing in their first playoffs. Thats the difference.
Lamar won’t have them problems because he won’t sniff one this year!
This team is not a superbowl contender...
Don't have to worry about that
The thing is he hasn’t won one so you can’t say that yet
They keep talking subtle shots at the Steelers as if they’re an inferior team or a slapdick type team & it’s confusing me because the Steelers are 9-3
they not contenders .thats why it matters
I get what you are saying but I still can't buy into the steelers and I'm not sure why I think it's because I don't trust Russ In these big games,but we most likely are disrespecting the steelers they are dangerous i hope I don't underestimate them
@@titans360ify Bingo! Steeler fan here, frauds until we will actual win playoff games.
@@rodiperez7918 Idk man, of the QBs that are gonna start for these playoff teams, Russ is one of the better ones.
Lamar hasn't shown up, Allen has at times but he can't get past the Chiefs, I like my guy Herbert but he hasn't shown up either. I definitely don't trust Geno or Darnold in the playoffs. Then you have CJ, Daniels, and Bo Nix who are all still too young.
Other than that, there's Goff, Mahomes, Hurts, and Russ. Maybe Stafford. Those are your guys who have the experience and have been to Super Bowls. That's it. Russ is actually on the short list of the more trustworthy QBs imo.
How many times does Acho have to say "I'm an MVP voter" or 39 years of NFL experience on the desk.
I only watch for Shady and JJ.
Um ,guys. The MVP trophy is not important to him at this point. But you want to keep driving the point home.
Uhm this segment isn’t about what Lamar cares about, it’s about his chances at winning mvp 🤡
@@pm21-v3hhe has 2 already. It’s no big deal.
I’m sorry, Acho be wildin sometimes!!! Chase Daniel defending the Eagles says it right there. Cause he is one of the biggest Philly doubters. Acho is an MVP voter too and he wear glasses!!! Eagles had the lead, 14-12 for a very long time before Saquon put it away and the defense stopped the Ravens.
What yall aren't talking about with that last drive is if they didn't miss those kicks, it's a 5 point game on the final drive. Those missed kicks mattered for the end result because without them, the ravens are leaving the Eagles down at least 1 point with 3 seconds left
That's assuming the game wouldn't have taken an entirely different turn leading to the same outcome. The hypotheticals don't Baltimore in the win column
Look at Elliot. Missed 9 points in kicks against the commanders. Eagles still won.
@deytookourjobz9798 what would have gone different? The Eagles wouldn't have had good field position after the missed kicks? The ravens wouldn't have been going for it on 4th down giving the Eagles good field position again? The Eagles don't have to change their play calling at all because they would still be up
I don't think the Eagles' defense would have allowed them to score if the game was on the line.....They do a great job closing out games.
@@ayananewton5571 exactly. Tuckers making his kicks could have won the ravens the game. Or the outcome could have been the same.
Did you not watch the last drive? The eagles played soft prevent defense. They let them take everything underneath. But if we wanna talk hypotheticals and ifs then let's play. Jalen carter was held every other play. The ravens oline is the most penalized line in the league. Not a single call against them. The refs penalized the eagles 8 times for 55 yards, almost all of which extended drives for the ravens offense in crucial moments. The eagles forced 3 fumbles all of which the ravens luckily got back. This game was heavily skewed for the ravens and they still lost. The kicker is part of the team too. But if the ravens are so great then why did they have to rely on their regressing kicker and not just score tds? This excuse is bs. They got dominated by the eagles. Luck, refs, and garbage time td kept it from looking as bad as it actually was.
Damn mvp get to the superbowl
People saying the missed kicks dont matter is wild. They gave the Eagles great field position on top of taking points off the board for the Ravens. It wouldve been 19-14 in the 4th. The Ravens never wouldve gone for it on 4th and 5 in their own territory (leading to the Eagles FG) if that had been the score, or if the Eagles were up 21-19. Its an entirely different game. Having said that, the Eagles defense is impressive.
Lamar doesn't care.He makes it very clear
This segment is about his chances at winning mvp. Not if he cares buddy. There for making your comment irrelevant.. 🤦♂️ some of y’all can’t comprehend things huh
I said it before and I'll say it again, if the Superbowl was tomorrow. And the Eagles had to play with anyone they win that game. This team is scary 🙀😳🙀😳
Bro kept repeating "it was 24 -12 forever" did YOU watch the game?? Was literally 14-12 for two quarters stop the fkn cap. It would have actually been 19-14 for the Ravens until the 4th quarter if Tucker makes his kicks.
5:56 acho is crazy. To say the eagles got out played is crazy. The only quarter they looked good in was the first. They scored 3 points until that garbage time TD.
Exactly we held the best offense in the league to 12 points and he wanna say ravens outplayed them 😭 Did he miss how many times our defense sacked Lamar that game???
@ he don’t give the eagles any credit, our defense is to physical for them Lamar was scared to run, Henry got shut down, and our defense put Lamar under pressure all night. Idk wat game he was watching but the eagles did they thing our defense showed up big time
MVP voting committee should be made up by ACTUAL MVP winners. Imagine a world where Acho, who was garbage in the NFL, has a vote in who should win the MVP. 😂
EXACTLY
Between the first quarter and the garbage time TD in the last 30s the Ravens scored 3 points, for most of the game their defense kept it a 2pt game at worst & kept Barkley under 50 yards until late. How tf is everyone else except Lamar/the offense getting any blame? He earned 12pts, thats it. Raven fans can blame the K but settling for FGs means you failed anyway, and it still would've been 24-19 at best 'cause that D is shutting them down if they have to at the end. At some point you have to blame Lamar for not making the necessary plays.
Lamar suck in big games. Especially in the playoffs. We all know that. How many times they was number 1 in the playoffs and Lamar choked? Answer my question if you a real Ravens fan. Boy is garbage
MVP's don't matter anymore, he's been done that. It's time to win a superbowl! I BELIEVE IN U LAMAR!
Acho is just spewing stuff. Nobody said this about Goff throwing 85 yrds with several tds. The main thing is to win. Jalen does that. Joe Burrow has insane numbers but is on a losing team. It’s about winning. Hurts has shown that he can win if he needs to be relied on. Acho doesn’t know what he’s talking about at all.
Jalen hurts is mid
@@andoversandlot8491 He's played better in the playoffs then Lamar Jackson
@@andoversandlot8491 he also wins. Joe Burrow is elite. Ain’t done nothin. Lamar is 2xMVP and no Super Bowl appearance at least. So I’ll take Mid and winning than individual accolades
Right, and teams with an excellent run game don't need their QB to throw 50 times. Acho can't decide which side he wants to be on. Sometimes he gives opposing takes in the same show, especially against the Eagles, specifically about Jalen Hurts. Chase finds a way to say Hurts is only being asked to throw 18-25 times a game. It's a good thing some days other days it's not... but its never compared to other QBs, like Goff.
Like you, I'd continue to use the formula that's working. Jalen Hurts steps up when needed. He's a WINNER. Jalen is making great decisions. He has the authority to override the play call.
Why are we blaming the loses on Lamar when the Defense and/or Special Teams have been the real cause for those losses?
0:49 Brady was caught cheating why u even mention him 😂
Yep, both Lamar and Henry outta the race no matter how much Ravens fans don't like it.
I'd still have henry in the running (I don't think he'll win) but Lamar should definitely be out unless he somehow has a crazy run the remainder of the year.
Henry still got a chance. Rb is different but QB you can’t lose 5 and win it.
We don't care clown. We are aiming to win a Super Bowl. Lamar already has two MVPs, smh
Ravens fans dont care about MVP. It's all about the playoffs
Josh Allen MVP
CoachRJ334 is right Lamar doesn’t give a damn about the MVP award, he much rather be getting measured for a Superbowl ring.
“I ain’t never ask what part of Africa you from”….”y’all got the discovery channel?” 😭😭😭shady be killing me
Lamar don’t give a damn about winning another MVP
I love how chase mention the ravens being 22-1 against nfc before the eagles but little did he know that loss was against saquon barkely so yes Lamar lost twice cuz of saquon …..
Lamar Fans are starting to become extremely sensitive…
Acho, stop rocking eagles gear on gameday bro! We don’t claim you. 🫡
I’m okay with that smile after the bad pass to Zay I’m not a fan of slamming your helmet out of frustration
They said QBs with that many L’s don’t win in it but he literally had almost as many last yr with a way harder schedule this yr!! Honestly I see him winning out the rest of the year and securing it
“Well they not birds but……yea roaches”😂😭 2:58
Nobody, including Lamar cares about another REGULAR SEASON MVP award. He wants playoff success so I’m glad this MV3 narrative is over! Get right during the Bye, finish the season strong, a make a playoff run!
Shady is hilarious 😂😂😂😂
The eagles only won because Justin Tucker missed 3 field goals‼️💯
The ravens had 3 possessions in which they scored 0 points. And allowed Barkley to win the game. It was 14-12 for the longest.. this is on Lamar and the offense.. they knew tucker has been struggling yet they relied on him to save them.
Preach 🦅🦅🦅🦅…….. Jake Elliot did the same thing few weeks ago but the eagles still won!!!!
This take doesn’t make sense. You’d have to assume the Ravens are still in position to score the TD at the end of the game if Tucker makes those kicks which is something we’ll never know 🤷🏾♂️ Your offense needed to score more than two touchdowns to beat the Eagles and they couldn’t do it
It was two field goals and an extra point. But that isn't the reason the Ravens lost. The Ravens lost because they were forced to settle for long-ish field goals instead of being able to use their top red zone offense.
Make your field goals then lol BIRDS UP 🦅🦅🦅
If Justin Tucker hits those field goals, this isn’t even a conversation
Maybe, at one point it was 24-12, even if Tucker was perfect the score would be 24-19 and the Eagles wouldn't have the second string defense to try and stop the Ravens.
@@zacharyroach7947wrong if Tucker hits one of the 2 the. The score is 15 to 14 because they both came before the eagles scored their final TD
@@michaelnance8917 I mean the game is played until the end and we saw that the Eagles had a lot of juice in the tank offensively.
@@michaelnance8917 By the same logic, if the Ravens offense scored another TD early in the game instead of with 1 minute to go, we aren't talking about Tucker. You can't put it on your kicker when you're only getting him within 35 yards 1/4 times. The Ravens are fortunate he hit that 50 yarder.
Acho only speaking the truth he knows what he saw people acting like the Eagle dominated and the whole time Lamar look like he's was just playing around smiling not taking it serious.
Meh he has 2 MVPs already so not a big deal for him to win it this year. This year is about more postseason success and getting to the 🥣. The league has wanted Josh Allen to win MVP for years so imo Lamar has bigger fish to fry.
Hol Up! The media be quick to talk about Lamar not winning a superbowl and the MVP's don't matter... And now after ONE game that his kicker couldn't kick NOW its about the MVP😂 He already has 2 already! Only thing that matters is winning the Superbowl, NOT ANOTHER MVP! I'd rather Lamar miss winning the MVP this year and win the superbowl, than he win another MVP and lose in the playoffs!
Shady with discovery Channel joke had me crying. Acho had no idea that was coming.
Acho: I think Lamar is out of the MVP race…
Shady: Ran into a big a** bird.
"They made Lamar Jackson look regular for three and half quarters." - Chase Daniels
He was never the MVP to begin with that was a narrative created by media. The Ravens are 1-5 when D Henry doesnt get 100 yards the formula for the is simple. Hes the not the most valuable this year
1st in every qb stat he’s literally the best player in the world go cry to your mama
@@ricegum2661yea the best qb along with the best rb and they already got 5 losses including against the two win raiders and the browns💀💀
Henry had 30 carries this game and we still lost like actually shut up bro he leads in all QB categories this narrative makes no sense, Henry gets the most carries once they have a lead 9 times outta 10. You should watch the actual games and not the box score, Lamar still had a highlight reel even though he lost against Philly😭
finally somebody say it 👌💯
@@ricegum2661the best player in the world? Yet he lost to 2 of the worst teams in the league……
Justin Tucker cost Lamar any chance at the MVP last night.
Lamar had 3 possessions in which the game was 14-12. He didn’t do enough to score a td in 3 possessions.. and only led them down the field when the game was over. The mvp don’t rely on his kicker… especially when you have 3 opportunities to score a td and can’t..
And why are you blaming tucker when tucker has bailed out lamar & the ravens plenty of times. He has struggled this whole year. Yet lamar and harbaugh kept putting it in tuckers hands to win the game 😂😂 some mvp I tell ya
@@pm21-v3h
Lamar: 2 Tds
237 yards passing
80 yards rushing
0 ints
Oh, terrible terrible game, ok . Bum
@ 1td came off of garbage time, his 40 yard run had a flag that got picked up because it was literally the end of the game. He fumbled the ball and got lucky his o line recovered it.. 😂😂 bum? Lmao that hurt you that bad you had to throw insults aweee what a poor baby..
@pm21-v3h So down by 12,scoring a touchdown with time on the clock and kicking a on side kick to throw a hail mary is garbage time. Ok
Life goes on…MVP is just an award.
it’s crazy to watch how quick yall switch 😂
Cats can't wait to write lamar off lol... where was this energy with joe burrow? People still waiting for him to come on lol
The kicker leaves 7 points on the field... crazy how he's supposed to overcome that. These dudes are HATERS. Blame the kicker like you would the QB. He gets paid too.
Jake Elliott did this a couple of weeks ago he missed 2 FGs and 2 extra points we still won the game stop with these excuses especially when Tucker been missing all season 🤦🏾🤦🏾🤦🏾
@@TexanEagleFan who was that against
Joe burrow is Eli manning without the Super Bowls 😂😂😂
Even though I'm an eagles fan. I can confidently say, no. One bad game against the #1 or even #2 defense (not sure which, but eagles defense is definitely one of the top 2) doesn't take away all he's done this season. However, mvp goes to either Allen or Barkley. No other way around that, barring any injury. Main thing is, this was one of lamars worst games to date. Another minor thing that media ignores, but thousands & thousands of people caught. How many times did the ravens (one of the most penalized teams in the nfl) oline have to desperately hold the eagles dline & not get called even once? Keep in mind, the most penalized team (105) only got 4 penalties to the eagles 8 & not one of those 4 were for the ravens oline holding. Game could have been a lot worst for the ravens.
Thank Tucker for the win bruh
Jalen did what he needed to do. Acho talks as if he couldn’t do more if more was asked. He didn’t even need to push the ball the same way or run as much because the Ravens yards were empty calories because they couldnt finish.
This loss wasn't one that they laid an egg. This was they ran into the best team in the league. The Eagles are a better team and are playing amazing the last eight weeks.
the thing no one mentions about the missed field goals is that where your turning the ball over. the eagles where starting there drives from the 40 because of tuck
I wish one of them would’ve mentioned the fact that the eagles did all of that without their $75m wr2 and no slay either, acho can shut up!
and without Brandon Graham
Lamar is already 1 of only 11 players to win MVP more than once.
His mission is a Super Bowl.
Before garbage time, Lamar had 201 passing yards, 1 TD, and 40 rushing yards. Jalen has had similar stats, and everyone agrees he’s not playing at an elite level. Acho keeps including the garbage time stats to support his argument, but Lamar didn’t have a great game compared to how he’s been playing all season.
Every time the Ravens lose a game: "The SEASON is OVER. Lamar is TRASH." I've never seen a regular season team get this much hate consistently
Have the same energy if Philly and the Bills go on a losing streak.
The points that were missed by Tucker did make us lose. Because let’s say the game stayed the same, the only difference is Tucker made all the kicks , the ravens would’ve won by 2 points. Yes , the offense should’ve played better but Tucker did make us lose
Everybody wants to give Lamar the MVP so bad 😂
Actually no. They desperately want Allen to have one.
No they do not!
The problem is if Henry don’t do well , he got 20 carries didn’t get a 100 yards, put it on Henry because when they win y’all suggest it Henry won. Lamar could’ve ran for a 100 yards if he decided to
6:52 That’s why I watch ACHO. Speaking Facts. Gained all my RESPECT
If you want to be real about it Tucker has cost the raven a few games and i don't know what happen to him because he used to be clutch and in all the losses, he accounts for over 24 points miss.
Don’t get me wrong Barkley and Alan are great MVP candidates but they don’t talk about when Barkley had under 100 rushing yards and nobody talks when Josh Allen threw 9 for 30 and lost to the Texans oh but he’s MVP he supposed to overcome that they only do it to Lamar. Justin Tucker is out here missing kicks Lamar is still giving you points three points that you should be easily getting if you have a good kicker.
Maybe if lamar could throw to open receivers then he'd win mvp
Hey guys Acho is a MVP voter. Did yall know that? With 37 years of NFL experience on the panel. And Shady is the all time Eagles rushing leader? And Plus 4 superbowls between the Shady has 2. Also also. ...this is the most important discussion of the day.😂😂😂
6:25 that last FG would have been 37 yards not 47 if Lamar didn't drop back 10 yards for a sack.
Shady said "we" outplayed them... bruh, this is your job now.
The answer is YES. PERIOD
If tucker makes his field goals. Philly is playing from behind. He brought them back. He did his best.
Ocho is basically saying the Ravens blew the game!
Chase gives the worst takes & the whole cast knows it 😂🤦🏾♂️ calling Lamar “average” is insane
How the award works blows my mind. Last year I didn't think Lamar should have won because his team didn't need him to play well to win. But because they won a lot of games he won the Award. He statistically is having a better year this year, but when he's not dialed in, they don't win. If he goes off the sheet and wins out 12 and 5, he is more deserving this year than last year. Conversely Josh Allen had to be AMAZING in all but 1 of Buffalos wins last season, lead the NFL in total TDS and I believe total yards < not 100% on this. Doesn't win the MVP even though he had to do significantly more to get to double digit wins than Lamar had to. That said its wild the difference 1 year can make
Acho i appreciate the defense but you should've asked em about the 3rd quarter specifically. Ravens were in scoring position twice and lost. Eagles didn't even get a first down in the third quarter
Lamar didn’t play well, but Justin Tucker cost them that game 7 missed points (missed extra point, 2 missed field goals).
Lamar missed 5 throws to open receivers
@@matthewwilliams4168"BiNGO" the dude is not accurate with Football 🏈🏈🏈🏈 he's always chokes in big moments & big games & this was a big game against the eagles? Period
Ravens dont have their identity rn, their identity is a STRONG defense and rn its not strong. The Ravens arent the Ravens without a top defense.
This is the greatest inconsistent team ever ...........because the coach refuses to replace players who consistently cost the teams games......because he respects them.........but others have been replaced after one mistake and never given another chance .
Lamar won the mvp a year ago with mediocre numbers. He’s worlds better this year. He’s still in the running.
In the 2nd quarter, the Ravens had 9 total yards. In the 2nd half, they scored 1 field goal. The score was 14-12, with like, 7 minutes left in the 4th quarter. He did nothing, blame the kicker all you want, but the defense did more than enough to keep them in the game and the offense folded
So he put Tucker in position TWICE to go up on points but he misses both ? I’m sorry is Lamar the only player on the team that can score ?
He forgets all of their 24 points came in the 2nd & 3rd quarters!
14 in the 2nd quarter & 10 in the 4th quarter..
Acho is growin on me
The fact that acho defending lamar tells you something
Someone else other than a QB can get it now I’m glad
9/30 getting MVP this year 🙌🥱
Man you got to count that last touch td, the eagle didn’t stop playing defense, because if they get the offside kick it could be a different game ravens still had a time out with 40 second left on the clock, would have been on the 50.