I saw the same part of that interview! He totally ghosted her and left her on her own because she wouldn't sleep with him. I think the interview was with Howard Stern.
@@malomama4750 Try to find that interview. I believe it was with Howard Stern. He was really rude to her because she wouldn't sleep with him and left her on her own to get back to where she was staying. (allegedly}
@@JulesK1452 sorry- stern is vile and I really don’t believe the story OR Brooks remembering of it. Speaking of Brooke, she’s had mental issues so I don’t trust her
Brooke didn’t date JFK jr. She met him one night in Aspen, I think. She went back to his hotel and he fully expected she would sleep with him. She wasn’t going to and it made him angry. He didn’t even call a cab for her. She had to call a cab for herself in the hotel lobby.
Here's my JFK Jr. story. In May 1999, a friend and I were Battery Park in NYC. I was standing next to an iron fence. A skateboarder was in front of me. At top speed and out of nowhere, a roller blader smashed into the skateboarder. In a split second, I crouched like a goalie to protect myself and to keep the guy's head in from slamming into the fence. (Mind you, I'm a woman with zero athletic skills.) Thank God, the skateboarder was wearing a helmet. Thank God for adrenaline. My friend shouted: "You could have effing killed us." Then she squealed, "OMG, you're John Kennedy Jr." There he was, a Greek god wearing nothing but gym shorts and a dazzling smile. Of course he wasn't wearing a helmet. He briefly asked if we were OK. Then off he sprinted back into the congested pedestrian area. He was dead two months later.
Here's my story.....my bff and I had just graduated High School in Massachusetts. We obviously knew a lot about the Kennedys. Her older Brother was an aspiring Actor on Broadway and Model. I took the train down from Westchester County where I had been apprenticing at my Aunt's Travel Agency for the Summer before starting College in the Fall back in Massachusetts. Anyway, it was the Summer of 1978 and the Hottest Nightclub on Earth was Studio 54. Anyone alive then will remember its Celebrity notoriety and famous debauchery that went on there. We decided we'd get all Glammed Up🌟✨ and try to get in. We were SO NAIVE!! While we were standing in the crowd at the entrance, I look over to my left and there is JFK Jr. with what looked like a couple of bodyguards. He was born exactly one month before me, so he was only 17 years old as well. As soon as I spotted him, I started yelling, there's John John Kennedy! The Bouncers hadn't spotted him yet. He immediately looked pissed and hustled his fanny out of there. I may have been responsible for ruining his Evening out on the Town but I'm pretty sure Jackie would have approved, 😊😉😉
The people featured in the memoirs you review sure make me appreciate my nice, quiet, boring life. If that’s how the rich and famous live, I’m happy to be broke and unknown! That said, it’s great fun hearing all the drama. Thanks Cheere! 😁
Read the book in two days. The women in the lives of Kennedy men played a role in their own demise. For all that’s been written about Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, she wasn’t the prize her photographs convey. Not a particularly ‘nice’ person. The Kennedy wife I have the most empathy for is Joan Bennett Kennedy who paid the price of her entry into this family of narcissistic misogynists by drowning her sorrows in alcohol. No thanks.
I remember the time he ended up in the emergency room after she stabbed him with a kitchen knife. They were coke heads. I actually have always wondered if they may have been coked out during that flight, and perhaps got into yet another argument, and in a rage she grabbed the steering and brought the plane down.
@@HomeAtLast501oh wow, I don’t remember this. I just downloaded the kindle version, & just stopped this video. Will Re listen once I’ve read the book. By any chance is any of this in the book? Seems I’ve read a book on Jackie, Joan & Ethel & nothing on a stabbing , a plane going down or coke use. 😮. Interesting post!
I think Harry is better than John Jr. Harry didn't put his loved ones in danger. Harry is annoying but he isn't sadistic. If I had to choose , I'd definitely choose Harry over John Jr., Harry is at least faithful and seems to treat his wife as well as he can .
My mother used to be a huge admirer of JFK, but the more she read about him and his family over the years, she changed her mind about him. The men were so so so entitled, reckless, and they used women like regular people use tissues. 😢
I was going to the State Fair in 1992 I think in Memphis when a woman outside the fair was with other people campaigning for Clinton I was new to voting in President election 28 years old and when I asked her why I should vote for Clinton she told me "he's so cute" I was stunned it never occurred to me that people would vote for a President because he's cute. I knew then we were in Trouble
I just found this and I’m loving it! JFK Jr was about the same age as me and I remember he would be in all the magazines and sometimes the news and my Daddy said to me and my sisters (3 girls) don’t ever date or marry someone like him - he’s bad news (no pun intended). He said he’s always hurt and whatever he’s doing that injured him, he’s lousy at it. He said he had no common sense. Mom & Daddy asked if we thought he was cute. Of course - he’s absolutely fine! A super fine hunk! We all were all in athletics and if you are serious, you learn how to NOT get hurt. My Mom got onto us for laughing because she said he’s had a rough life. Say what?! And then in her sweet Mama voice she said, who does he really have to help him become a good man? A man that loves his wife and provides for her and the children? Being rich is not always monetary. She said we are very, very rich with all of our love and joy we have for one another. It felt like a “Walton’s” or “Little House on the Prairie” moment. She and my Daddy were together for almost 70 years before he passed away. Then she said this one thing to us…whose turn is it to clean the kitchen? 😄
There is so much written about a Kennedy curse. There was no curse, it was their self importance and arrogance that was their downfall. As for the women involved, they were after status and money. So the women, they may have achieved their desire but also got the anomalies as well.
"The minute she (Carolyn Bisette) said 'yes', she regretted it." False. She was thrilled to marry him. Carolyn was scared to fly with him. She was pressured to go with him, and her sister (RIP) helped convince her to go.
This I believe is true, even though she waited 2 weeks to give him her answer. That was all an act. Look back at pictures of her from when they 1st started dating , to when they got married & her physical transformation. John & Carolyn’s relationship was off & on in the beginning as he would go back to Darryl Hannah. Then notice by the time they got married Carolyn’s physical transformation had taken place. She lost a ton of weight, hair very blond & longer, eyebrows plucked very thin. She wanted that tall, blond sinewy look aka Darryl Hannah she thought John was more attracted. So yes, you better believe she wanted to marry him. But then they returned from their honeymoon & she couldn’t abide the paps & all the media attention?🤦♀️. Come on, she had been dating him, what did she expect once married ?
@@MoonShadows1995 I think they both had their agenda to marry. And both had their issues for sure. But John was reckless and it affected others, while Carolyn was reckless with herself trying to be what she thought he wanted in a woman.
Former pilot here (Gliderpilot, Power Plane Pilot, Chief Tow Pilot at our gliding club.....and female !) To me it was absolutely terrible to see such a horrid death for John's wife, her sister, and I can only imagine the intense grief that Caroline's family experienced. Yes, he had some "Instrument Flying" lessons, but this meant absolutely nothing. first of all, It is extremely difficult to get an Instrument Rating. JFK had minimal flying hours period, he was a true "newbie". Never in a million years would I have undertaken the flight that he did, with what little experience he had. It seems to me that he viewed himself as much higher than the average joe, he thought he was invincible, he was "entitled" beyond belief, and in the end this is what killed him, his wife, and her sister. Personally I have zero respect for the guy.
In a book full of nasty people, I had the most difficult time with what Joe did to his own daughter, Rosemary. I thought i knew that whole story, but no. Looking forward to your presentation of this book. Thanks, Cheere! ❤
@@NiniM8154 I'm no fan of Old Joe but at the time he did it lobotomy was considered by many MDS/ mental health professionals to be the best -and kindest thing to do. The weirdest thing about it was that he didn't tell Rose beforehand. That pretty much tells you how checked out Rose had become from her family.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 yes, that's true. But Rosemary's lobotomy was botched. In my years as a psych nurse, I actually had a few patients who'd been lobotomized. Just heart-rending to see the blunting of emotion and near-erasure of personality left by the procedure. It's hard to fathom how it was ever seen as compassionate.
@@NiniM8154 We still have a long way to go but we have come a long way in understanding compassion care for the developmentally disabled and mentally ill. Lobotomies are one in a long line of what can only be considered torture. When I was a child women were encouraged to institutionalize their "mentally retarded" children and not go visit them so I suppose it is somewhat to Joe and Rose's credit that they didn't do that to Rosemary I read Kate Larson's book about Rosemary. Absolutely heartbreaking story.
I thought Rosemary was the best-looking of all the Kennedy sisters. The recent book about Rosemary talked about men being attracted to her and vice-versa, to the point that Joe couldn't control her.
These are my stories about John,Jr.: I was 20 yrs old and a Canadian student studying in Athens, Greece in 1974 the first time I saw JFK, Jr. boarding an airplane at the Athens airport with his entourage, which included his sister Caroline and a friend, several bodyguards, who had just flown in from Onassis’ private island of Skorpios. He was a young teenager then, saddled down with an expensive camera equipped with a huge lense, as they boarded the double decker plane through the entrance right in front of my seat. We had been delayed outside on the tarmac for almost 2 hours, in sweltering August heat, while awaiting their plane, as this was the last Olympic Airlines flight ( then owned by Onassis Jacqui’s then husband) allowed to leave Greece for New York after the military junta had invaded Cyprus. He was a gawky teenager then in 1974 but there was a hint of the good looking man he would become as an adult. Fast forward to the 1980’s… I attended law school and moved to NY City with my husband and worked at a law firm in the World Trade Center in Tower 1. When I rode the subway, I would often run into JFK. Jr. once he started working at the DA’s office. We would smile at one another and exchange pleasantries and I have to say he was one of the most handsome and charismatic men I have ever had the opportunity to meet! John was so charming and utterly delightful as a human being, down to earth and utterly relatable! I say this because we were total strangers yet he was so pleasant and so very likeable and could relate to people in such a natural way. John was concerned about many social issues and the plight of those in the cycles of poverty and homelessness. He left a lasting impression on me that I will not easily forget! Whatever negative characteristics some may choose to write about him, I truly believe that he had that “common touch” that would have taken him far in the political sphere! I was truly saddened that he and his wife and sister in law died in such a tragic accident which was most likely preventable. May God Rest their Souls 🙏🙏🙏
@athenaf8278 thank you for sharing your story. He is still missed to this day. It was so sad when he died. I really think he would of went into politics.
JFK, Jr. had ADD and dyslexia which explains a lot and was why his mother arranged for him to take the bar exam in a room by himself. I have no issue with that. While he enjoyed risk taking adventures, he wasn't a jerk. I have never spoken to anybody that knew him that thought that. He could be really down to earth, generous and funny. Was he perfect? No. NO COMPARISON to Prince Harry. Good God No. I remember growing up and not seeing the big deal with either JFK, Jr. or Carolyn Besette. Yes, they were attractive but I didn't grab a tabloid or really follow news about them too closely. I will tell you one thing.....after they died....the more research I did on them and their crash....the more questions I have. Too many things didn't add up with what the press was telling the public as to the cause of the crash. But, I'm not going to kick him down or his wife after such a tragic ending. They both weren't bad, evil or sinister people. I always thought JFK, Jr. was a little lost when his mother died and that's when his life kind of spiraled out of control a bit. I think he did the best he could.
@@rebeccagilstrap3507 Correct. There was a time when becoming an actress meant you were removed from The Blue Book - The Social Register. That happened to Marjorie Meriwether Post's daughter Dina Merrill. Marrying one was frowned on - see Capote's Swans Anne Woodward - who was never accepted by society. You screw actresses, not marry them (which I think Prince Philip actually said to Harry). Jacqueline was from that world and had married down socially when she married a Kennedy ,who were not American WASP aristocrats by any means. She nixed John even considering marrying Daryl Hannah.
@@mauiswift6391I thought so too, but actually she has not. Her stepdad has, but her mother is still alive. There is a website which indicates incorrectly she has passed, but it’s fortunately wrong.
Good video! I literally ran into JFK Jr. before he died. He was riding his bike down the wrong side of the street in NYC and I screamed at him. He apologized and gave that smile. He was better looking in person and had such a charm. I see why he got away with a lot. I feel bad for the parents of Carolyn as they lost two daughters. May they continue to rest in peace.
They are all alive dear..and have seen.them.at 3 Trump rallies. President Trump and John.have.been good friends and John is.and gas.been.helping Drain the Swamp‼️it's true. You will find.out.verrry.soon🙌
I’m totally stunned at these revelations about JFK jr. The way he’s carried himself,seemed so down to earth ,polite, ,well mannered,caring, educated,calm and sensitive. He covered his real self well. When he spoke of his mother’s death outside her apartment,at the Convention and trying to protect his new bride from the paparazzi and her privacy, he was strong and well spoken. In all his appearances,his demeanor seemed so well put together. Total shock about his attitude and disregard of others. Wow!
@@emmabradford137 why did you say ,he was assassinated ? Reason I ask , a few weeks ago on a program “ hit man”,was revealing different info and remarked that JFK was and then his son. It blew me away,because I saw him so differently. Now as more comes out I’m surprised about his true nature and.personality,I never knew. As I get older,I can see I’ve been fooled.with some people
I know this is WILD😐 although I did hear rumors that his wife did fear to fly with him. Oh and according to Brooke Shields. She dated him and she was not ready for a intimate relationship and she said he got pissed and broke up with her
When I was in college, during the summer break I worked in Hyannis and there were so many stories of what the Kennedy children had done that went unreported. I say “children “ but they were over 21. We all knew to stay away from them.
Agree. Isn’t that well-written to the point of being confusing at times, but in the end one gets the picture of how disgusting these people are. As for Christina and the kayaking incident with JRK, Jr., I hope she counts herself “lucky” having escaped ALIVE.
I love the way you are organizing the different stories focusing on each individual character!!! This is really going to be a fun and interesting series!!!
Jacqueline didn't experience her marriage to Jack as especially awful. To her infidelity was to be expected. They respected one another and had a deep intellectual bond. John Jr was nothing like his Father (who was clearly a sex addict) when it came to women. He wasn't a womanizer.
Read her own accounts of her marriage. There was tremendous affinity between them. Along with his philandering and entitlement, they had much in common, were similarly intelligent and with social appetite for political scene and related history. Both avid readers. And more.
JFK Jr. lived in a way that scripted eventual disaster. The was no "Curse". For JFK, Jr. I believe it was his lack of focus, his ADD, and lack of genuine skill that caused his demise. I bet his wife found him increasingly more tedious to deal with and became unhappy. I just wish she had not trusted his talents at such a demanding activity as flying a plane. John-John was over matched.
@gingermaynor495 I agree. How sad that she allowed her sister to fly with him knowing what an inexperienced pilot he was and had no business flying so late in the evening without the benefit of daylight. I've always felt devastated by what the Bessette sister's mother and family endured in that tragedy. To lose two of your daughters in such a preventable accident...so sad.
His Mother made him promise he wouldn't learn how to fly. After she died he did it. It is tragic that Carolyn, who should have known better, agreed to fly with him that night. They were ill matched as people, she was an introvert, he was an extrovert. She wasn't cut out at all for the public life she signed up for and which he could do nothing to change, and their marriage was on the skids. It turned out to be truly the last shot at trying to save it 😢
The Narcissist loves triangulation, playing people off against each other: juggling Christina and Hannah at the same time, leaving his job to let Mithcel and the publishers face each other (and by the way, being a magazine veteran and dealing with John's failing his contractual obligations to his publishers are two different things), subtly playing Christina and his mother's relationship to suit his whims...textbook.
I was just going to say that. The editor is not equipped to handle a flailing publication's budget, advertising and finances. This was a celebrity-driven magazine and if he's m.i.a. there's little she can do except watch her reputation along with the other staffers circle the drain.
@@isabelledetaillefer2726 I know it's popular these days to label virtually everyone a NARC but I knew John and I am well acquainted with NPD and he definitely was not one.
I worked for a tabloid in the 90s and saw him in NYC. I can still see his striking appearance in a dark wool coat and beret. He was adored by all, really.
Life can be so backward & upside down at times. When we R young we R impressed with good looks & $$$ material things UNTIL WE FIND OUT THE REST OF THE STORY 🤔😂 Most people wouldn't change places with the SO CALLED (RICH & POWERFUL) Ask your self Rich & Powerful with what !!?? Good looks that "WILL FADE". WEALTHY THAT USUALLY "WILL" CORRUPT. I was always told to be Toooo Rich OR Toooo Poor is NOT good. Middle Class "Seems To Have The Most Stable, Moral & Contented People" for the most part. 🤔😇👍
Oh goodness! I can’t believe it! Getting ready to listen to this book and looking forward to hearing it. I’ve heard so much from the author, Maureen Callahan, as she had been doing the rounds of promoting this book. I’ve read lots of books on the Kennedy’s from Jackie Kennedy to the Kennedy Women, to the Son’s of Camelot and a book on Chappaquiddick. I agree with you in regards the authors presentation of the women. I don't think and never have that there is a Kennedy curse, just entitled individuals who didn't have to think about consequences or the feelings of others. It seems they just ran roughshod over others. There seemed to be plenty of hangers on who would clean up their mess.
OMG I have been waiting for you. Mounties Sunday? Loved Wendy's book and your reading. No Diana accent in this one, I will miss that. However the tangled mess of the Kennedys is like a pile of sparkly things and I have Magpie eyes! Hey ho, let's go!
I agree that it seems weird that Anthony Radziwill, JFK Jr.’s cousin, sat with Christina after her surgery instead of John, but otoh, if they were all part of the same social set, it’s possible that Anthony was just being a friend who (unlike John) actually cared. He was the son of Jackie’s sister Lee, and sadly died from cancer barely a month after JFK Jr., Carolyn and Lauren died.
The incompetent, more irresponsible Kennedy's (which is pretty much all of them, but with particular attention paid to Teddy and John John), always had a quasi-family member in close attendance to fix the messes their idiotic wards got into. Teddy had cousin Joe Gargan as his fixer. Not too close to be in on all the family's business, particularly the criminal activities, but not too distant to be uninfluenced by family loyalty, these hand-maidens knew how to be discrete and could be trusted to never publish a kiss-and-tell book on their experiences with the Kennedy clan. Talk about POS manipulators.....
Reaching Up, a non profit John jr founded in 1989, providing educational and opportunities for workers helping people with disabilities. William Ebenstein, executive director of Reaching Up, said, "He was always concerned with the working poor. He had been a member of the Senior Advisory Committee of Harvard's Institute of Politics for fifteen years and an active participant in Forum events.”
I can't believe Christina was still going out with him after the kayaking incident. Even if you're okay with him risking your life, can you imagine him potentially doing this with your kids one day? Not father material here.
@someamericanfanofQE2 Good point! Can you imagine what JFK, Jr. would have been like as a father? His kids would probably be known as the daredevils of the neighborhood!
Christina Haag's kayak version is very different 🤷♀️ she has very fond memories of her time with John jr, she called him loving and caring, said he carried her up the stairs when she broke her foot, couldn't stand to see anyone or anything in pain. She says, in her book, they were stuck for an hour
@@Obi-MomKenobi Yes!! The version of her broken foot and their kayaking event in Christina's 2011 memoir is COMPLETELY different from this one. This author is spinning the stories in order to support her own POV that Kennedy men were schmucks and their women hapless poor victims . By the time this happened Christina had known John for more than a decade and had dated him for 5 years. She was well acquainted with his daredevil, adrenaline-seeking side and often found it exciting. There was a hot s*x piece to it too. She could have said no to kayaking with him that day but didn't. That's on her. And then she agreed to get back in it with him rather than go with the Fisherman. Also on her. This book annoys the heck out of me.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 it’s sickening to see certain ones salivating at twisted stories in that book simply because they can use it to justify their hate/jealousy of the Kennedys. Really kind of shocking that a teacher would find that sort of book to be something worthy of even being read.
I gained such an informed perspective on growing up royal in Wendy's book. I cringe when I remember blindly defending Diana. Can't wait for your insights on this Kennedy book.
Ooohh and we thought badly of our lovely Queen. Ouch on that one. Diana was many things, some of them good but she was also a cool liar (we all believed her) and used her looks as a weapon. Not too nice.
@@DawnSuttonfabfourwasn't the propaganda incredible? Diana: you stupid worthless peasant! I've got a camera crew waiting. Get me a leper to hug NOW😂😂😂
Same here! I abhorred the family because of Diana - omg was I wrong! I totally messed up. I’m now trying my best to make amends to myself and every time I spoke out carelessly - I’m now a firm supporter of King Charles and Queen Camilla and will openly advocate for them. Wow what King Charles had to put up with - the scamming manipulation and now that Megan is starting it again - omg! The horror
@@cayad2591 She was reviewing Lady C's book and Lady C threw her toys out of her pram. She was completely OTT about it and Cheere decided not to continue. I recommend The Housekeeper's Diary though. That goes from wedding to split.
OMG - you called it out from the start. How can we call all these Kennedy men out - without understanding the women they were drawn to - and who were drawn to them. Some moths to the flame. Others - who absolutely knew who these men were - and continued in their relationship!! Jackie Kennedy has bothered me for decades. I’ve read about her relationship (by different authors) regarding A Onassis. She signed a prenup - knowing full well - he paid for sex with young boys/men. Then beat them up within an inch of their lives and gave them a lot of further cash - to silence them. Jackie got paid paid fortunes as part of marrying a child and young male sexual abuser. That’s after her escapism from the Kennedy’s. . So please let’s not make victims of these women.
Agree and Onassis also beat his first wife to the point where the carpet would have to be replaced because of how much blood there would be. His own son dying young is also a sign of problems. Jackie used people just as much as she was used because she was an elitist, privileged person. I've never cared for her.
I found the chapters dealing with John Jr the most enlightening. All of the documentaries on him portray him as a perfect man. This was eye opening that he wasn't so special, other than something drool worthy to look at.
He wasn't perfect. He was a person with flaws just like any other human. Given the enormous burden of expectations he was given to carry after his Father was slain when he was 3 and his extraordinary beauty he was actually remarkably normal and not much at all as this book seeks to portray (smear) him
@@malomama4750 I know because I knew him in all sorts of different ways and contexts. No one who has known either he or Harry since the day they were born has written a book about either one of them. This version of John and Christina Haag's relationship doesn't even match what she wrote about him in her memoir. One of the few things ever written by anyone who knew him well. No one who knew his Mother well wrote about her either. If you ever even commented to the Press about her or her children she froze you out and never spoke to you again no matter how long or well she had known you. So this book is pretty much garbage about her too. That's what guarding your privacy looks like in real time. More a Prince William approach, who Diana quite purposely raised using John Jr as a model of a certain kind of man born into fame, than hang it all out there and inspire no true loyalty Harry. John was neither Saint nor Sinner but a remarkably normal guy given the enormous burdens of expectations and myth he had to carry his whole life.
To those of us in DC and especially in the NY district attorney's office, we knew him for what he was: an incompetent, spoiled brat of mediocre ability and unremarkable intelligence whose family name bought him access to everywhere. At no time in JJ's life did he ever accomplish anything of merit. And the thing was, his arrogance was so all-consuming that he never knew that we saw right through his act.
I’m so glad you’re covering this book! On the wait list at the library so will read along once I get the book. Well I was alive during the JFK Jr tabloid years and remember having thoughts from time to time that he was foolhardy in his stunts and activities He was often pictured wearing casts, slings, and crutches more often than your average person sort of thing and I wondered about his personal carelessness because he was also very sporty (as the earlier Kennedy generations seemed to be). And reports of him going up in some crazy glider not long before his death and just lots of risk-taking on his part going on. I never dreamed the risks would be extended to others. Just thought him an adrenaline junkie and he had the fractures and Broken bones to prove it. Also I remembered this careless aspect of his personality after the accident. Not surprised at all the findings were “pilot error”. He certainly was charismatic but with the risk-taking he ran out of his usual good luck. PS I remember that issue if Spy magazine. Damn I loved spy. Tons of fun. That might have been the last issue before that mag folded and was a sad day for me. I still probably have their JFK Jr piss-taking issue buried in storage somewhere 😂🤣 I always looked forward to the latest Spy magazine back in the day. It was like MAD magazine making fun of the elite. 😂🤣 Anyway can’t wait to hear your take as always on this book Thanks Cheere! Have a great weekend everyone! 👋🇨🇦🥰📕📖📚
Imo many of the Kennedy kids, now adults were reckless in their sports. Remember I believe it was RFK & Ethel’s son Michael died from playing football while skiing downhill. 🤦♀️🙄. Like really?? IIRC, he was the one married to Frank Gifford’s daughter.
Those that really knew John, knew he embraced the work to help the city's poorest. It’s only 20+ years that friends would speak of the John they knew.❤
Those that really knew him ALSO have helped pop some of the worshipful myths. JFK, Jr. had had everything given to him his entire life. He had so much potential but he did not stick with the opportunities where he could really have made a difference.
Looking forward to hearing this book, I read about Joe Kennedy a long time ago and had the impression that Rose seemed the sort of mother who although being domineered by her husband did the same sort of thing to her children. She wanted them to be the perfect all Americans and wouldn’t accept weakness from them.
OMG I remember John-John very well. He was like a movie star in the political realm, and really was a gorgeous man. Endless tabloid shots of him jogging shirtless, which I enjoyed. I even remember George Magazine, which I didn’t read because I was in my twenties. He seemed so glamorous and well-spoken. I never knew he was basically a dumb frat bro.
I can the internal rage that developed, in these women, knowing what your husband was up to behind your back, I imagine alcohol and other substances soothed the pain, but aa a couple of these women discovered, if you marry for money, you will earn every cent, and then pay the price.
I understand why they were almost revered. JFK came onto the scene as a young handsome maverick with a beautiful wife that exuded class and refinement. It wasn’t who they were but the idea of who they were in a time of great excitement and hope for the future. It was a period of great optimism in America and the Kennedys embodied that.
I could listen to Maureen all day I love the way she calls out Harry and Meghan. I'm excited to listen to this book. It's a shame she hasn't called the women out.
I had gotten a private pilot license a few years before John crashed. It seemed obvious to me that he didn't have the training or experience to handle that type of plane or the predicted weather conditions. The family should have been charged for the costs of the search mission to locate the plane.
@@Broadwayshowgirl you should listen to the good those “evil” Kennedys did - like the Peace Corps, Special Olympics, civil rights , stopping a potential nuke attack from Russia etc. I guess those things don’t matter do they?
So they were involved in philanthropic works, so what? Hitler provided for the German people as well. Most corrupt elites are trying to compensate for all the disgusting things they get away with. Look at all the secret pedos and corrupt politicians who are admired by the public and then the truth comes out.
Women who want a man bad enough to put up with this have some serious problems. People that don't value your safety .....big red flag. The women needed to grow up and get themselves sorted out. My husband is a pilot and safety is first. I have refused to get in planes with pilots I didn't think were safe. No relationship is worth dying.
In Jackie’s own words. “If you bungle raising your children, I don’t think whatever else you do well matters very much.” In my opinion she did bungle. John Jr. should have been encouraged serve his country perhaps to join the armed forces where he might have received proper flying instructions. Instead, Jackie steered him to pursuing a law degree for which he was ill suited for. However more socially acceptable in her elite social world.
People's pets are not replaceable. That story where he got her pet killed really bothers me. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just like " Igot your dog killed, but i can buy you a new one"
Yay!! I’ve started the book and 😮 it’s crazy. I knew JFK was horrible to women, but I didn’t realize how awful he was to Jackie. The JFK Jr is all new & suuuuuuuuuper interesting. Teddy murdered a woman, that’s not new news - how callus he was, or maybe dismissive was rather shocking. The RFK & RFK Jr stuff is new, to me, and pretty shocking.
Dear Cheere, here is my humble perspective on the Kennedy's, and yet another book about them, this time from the inevitable "feminist perspective," if you care to read: We have always known that the Kennedy men were womanizers and quite spoiled. That has been told and re-told through the changing perspectives of the times, and people have made lots of money off it. Of course, the Kennedy's were a sort of a crime family, like all dynasties. What I fear with such books is that the actual important legacy for our country will be diluted or erased: The Kennedy administration, and the Bobby Kennedy run for president, DID offer a true betterment of our society. Not like today, where all politicians serve the same masters -- the Kennedy's (John and Robert) were the last of the USA big time politicians who had their own actual platform and whose decisions and actions were actually their own. They both got killed for it, particularly for their opposing a secret state and the military industrial complex. What Dwight Isenhower warned about in his goodbye speech is what ultimately happened, and what killed the Kennedy's. Also, in terms of civil rights and integration, we have gone a LONG way as a society, and that comes in large part, whether people like it or not, because of the Kennedy's. Particularly Robert truly believed in everything he said, and he showed his work. Also unlike now, they both had the actions to back it up, rather than just empty meaningless slogans. So while in their personal lives there is plenty of gossip to discuss, and we all love gossip, it is important not to dilute the true values of these men as public servants. The fact they are rich and good looking is in a way the curse of it all -- because we love to idolize people like that. John Jr. was a product of that -- and a cautionary tale about dynasty children. Perhaps if his father had lived, as well as his uncle, nature would have taken its course and he would have been raised right, and if he had lived, he would have overcome the down sides of always being told "yes." We will never know. Nor will we know about Marilyn, and how she would have turned out had she lived. This is why we make legends of them -- it is pitiful really, but it sells magazines. Also, it is human. Thank you for your work.
Yes, Rose raised her children to be politicians. She said a doctor can help one patient at the time; when you go into politics, you can help the nation. JFK certainly did that. His politics was not influenced by his sexual life. Rose also had quick hands, as Bobby said, the children had to watch themselves.
I don't know why people think JFK, Jr., was always told, "Yes." He was also told, "No." No, to becoming an actor. No, to not being a lawyer. No, to marrying Darryl Hannah. No, to becoming anything but what Jackie decided he should want or be. These are key milestones in a person's life, and he wasn't allowed to own, run, or make decisions for himself. The internal level of frustration must have been something.
They wanted to be a Kennedy bc the Kennedys were larger than life. These women wanted to live a big life. An important life. Maybe even a life recorded in history books. A fame beyond fame.
I’m looking forward to the book but it’s not unexpected that the author glosses over women’s having agency over their own lives and their children. Women are often attracted to money and power, and that ride, for all its fun parts, would carry a huge price.
@@judywright4241IF the ankle surgery and kayaking stories are true, and apparently Christina gave different accounts of both when she wrote her own book, she had the ability at any time to say not good enough and walk away. I have my doubts on this entire book though. I saw a snippet of the author giving an interview discussing a moment Jackie supposedly had with JFK’s dead body that not only did not have even a slight ring of truth, I don’t see Jackie sharing that piece of intimate information with anyone much less someone who would share that information for a later author to find and publish.
@@cocop5058 Exactly. I don't think that anyone who knew them questioned whether John loved Carolyn . He was nuts about her. But quite a few questioned whether or not she really loved him. She was a Dentist's daughter from Greenwich, which is pretty low on the Totem pole in VERY status conscious, very wealthy there. She wasn't especially smart but she was smart about the ways to hook a rich and/or famous guy ( pretend you don't really know who they are and say No to them. Works like a charm !) Score ! She caught the biggest one! Like Meghan Markle somewhat she seemed to never have really looked at the life that she was signing up for when she landed the big catch and married him or asked herself if she was cut out for it. She wasn't. That's not a good or bad thing - few people are up for that level of public attention and invasion of privacy. But it seems the most important question to ask yourself if you are going to marry that kind of man. She pretty quickly started to resent him and their life but he didn't have the power to change what she resented, though he did try in numerous ways. That doesn't sound like "love" to me. Their personalities weren't well matched - she was an introvert and he was very extroverted and that is difficult in any marriage and especially so if the extroverted person is famous and manages their fame through that type of personality lens. All a pretty sad story really with a terribly sad ending .
I knew John and many of the other people written about in this book. It doesn't accurately portray the John I , or anyone who knew him well, knew. It's a sensationalistic book, written by a tabloid level reporter, with a POV to sell, claiming to have "new information" no one has ever heard before (not true) , lacking interviews with sources who knew John Jr, Jacqueline or much of anyone in it well. Her tale of John not only lacks any understanding or empathy for the complexity of John's psyche and why but seems simply prepared to label him everyone's favorite slam these days - narcissist!! But he wasn't a pathological narcissist and I don't think that anyone who knew him would say that he was. He was, in fact ,remarkably humble in many ways. A genuinely nice guy. A bit of a peaccock sure, why not. He was an unbelievably handsome guy who would have had women falling over him even if he had been Joe Schmoe's son. He wasn't a womanizer. At all, despite the fact that he could have had anyone. Daredevil yes. Absent minded in a way that made him irresponsible sometimes, yes. Spoiled? That's complicated. Jacqueline was the original helicopter Mom and quite controlling in a way that he sometimes rebelled against. She also very purposely raised him far away from the Kennedy's. Especially Ethel's kids. He was in many ways more Bouvier than Kennedy. It also lacks understanding and putting him in the context of the world he came from. While it may sound shocking that he would ask someone for 20 million dollars to start a business without a lot of info that's fairly common for sons of wealthy, well connected people. And they often get it. You are right to question the motivations and deeper stories of all the women in this book. In her 2011 memoir Christiana Haag paints a very different version of events, especially about the Jamaica kayaking incident and her broken foot. By then they had been together for 5 years - so yeah - why did she let him talk her into it? Here is her story of it . Does he sound like a giant asshole of a boyfriend in it who was trying to kill her? He doesn't to me. Anyway, FYI. www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/04/jfk-jr-christina-haag-201104
Thank you. This was very interesting information that feels a lot more closer to reality than the stories told in this book. I was so sad when John Jr died so young.
Just remember this is one authors perception. All people are viewed differently through different eyes. The truth usually lies somewhere in between. Also, I feel men take a lot longer to mature and are very influenced by how people react to them. He may have had a false sense of confidence and/or felt he had to continue to show he was invincible. That all aside. What a tragic loss.
I’ve read every book written by JFK Jr’s closest friends, and I’m compelled to speak up. There’s a lot, but he deserves this. Christine Amanpour of CNN lived together while attending Brown. “He was an ordinary boy in extraordinary circumstances,and he lived his life with grace.”❤
Here’s the thing, John was much more than what’s in this book. The Robin Hood Foundation, JFK jr served on their board for eight years. He embraced the group's work to help the city's poorest. After his death, for his philanthropic work, an award was renamed in his honor.
I agree, everyone has good sides and sides that need work on. The book is quite sensational for marketing purposes. I think when you can get anything you want in life, getting a thrill out of high risk behaviours was the Kennedy curse. It started with Joe Sr., to his children and grandchildren.
There's another family worth exploring. I believe I'm dealing with several. I'm 76 and under a blanket literally cowering at not knowing who's in my building. My life has been devalued by several famous families. I've had over 25 years of my talents never seeing the light of day. While as a divorced woman having men thrown at me they seem to treat life like a sport. I had a friend who was favored and given special treatment. A friend who got to know everyone personally. Who knew my talents. But out of jealousy, was very clever at manipulating me.
Thank for you for giving each woman an individual chapter. I presume it was more work for you? Great for us if we want to delve into a particular Kennedy woman later on. Very much appreciated.
John was all looks and not brains. When you’re in love with an image and your eyes are glossed over because of all you see and hear, the truth pill is hard to swallow. Then the pieces of the puzzle start to find their home, you realize your gut feeling was right all along, nobody is that perfect. This is going to be a good read.
Joan was the only one who TRIED to get out of her engagement to Ted but Joe Kennedy strong armed her father not for her to back out. Of all the wives I feel bad for her the most.
I already read this and I am looking forward to your review!! I learned a lot but also felt a lot of times I was shaking my head about SOME of the women. I already knew a lot about JFK from reading Bill O’Reilley’s Killing Kennedy. Good thing or I would have been utterly SHOCKED!!
I remember reading Rose Kennedy's autobiography back in the 1970s and, as a 20-something year old, being absolutely enraged by her and her family. What ensued with her children and grandchildren came as no surprise! The book's out of print, but it's well worth trying to find an old copy.
The book written by old Joe Kennedy's driver is interesting too. When he had a stroke, the family deliberately chose not to help him or call an ambulance until the damage was permanent and irreversible. They were sick of him (who could blame them) and letting him be partially paralyzed and almost unable to speak was the family's way of neutralizing him. Joe was a crook, a bootlegger who scammed the Stock Market before the crash and in order to avoid criminal charges, he showed the police how he did it. The fact that he was able to buy himself an ambassadorshio to the Court of St James, got a son into the White House, a daughter married to a Marquess, and a younger son into Congress for life is astounding because Joe should have been in prison for corruption.
Jackie Kennedy ran off to be with Onassis in Greece because "they were killing Kennedys" , she said after Bobby Kennedy was killed. And she wanted her son in politics? I'm starting to wonder if "John - John" was fooling around while flying that plane as one of his daredevil antics just to amp up Carolyn and her sister. Sorry for the use of the media's nickname for him, I just couldn't resist. The memory of that darling little boy saluting his father's coffin is still so clear in my memory.
I know what you mean about the author carefully painting in all the warts and blemishes of the men, but leaving the women almost cartoon-like in their blamelessness. I started to feel the same way about Ann Rule's true crime books. The killers were always carefully drawn in all their monstrous deformity, but the victims were treated in an almost saint-like way. I guess there's a natural desire not to blame the victim, but it isn't blame to be honest, and point out when a person acts in a way that draws catastrophe upon him- or herself. People have gotten so hypersensitive to accusations of "judgmentalism", they refuse to even think in terms of "What could this person have done differently which would have avoided this situation?"
I don’t get your comparison with Ann Rule’s books--which I read--to painting a more realistic picture of women who were drawn to the Kennedy legend even more than the men themselves. Who ‘deserved’ becoming a victim in Rules’ books? Dianne Downs kids should have known better to get in the car with her? While Laci Peterson knew Scott didn’t want children, I’m sure divorce would’ve been a more sane conclusion than murder. Bundy victims? Because they wanted to be helpful to someone wearing a cast, were they supposed to know he was a serial killer before the term had been invented by Robert Ressler?
I’ve seen an interview with the author where she discussed one snippet about Jackie with JFK’s recently deceased body that seemed such fantasy and invention that I can’t even take this book, or the author, with a grain of seriousness but I love Cheere’s takes on any book so I’ll listen until I just can’t… like with Jada
When watching true crime shows, I often see how the victim's behavior made them more vulnerable and more likely to become a victim. One example is young girls sneaking out of their parents' homes after bedtime.
I think the loss of JFK followed by the assassination of Bobby gave the family an untouchable air about them. They were protected for many decades because of this. Even loser Teddy
@Kathrynorkate I agree somewhat, but I think it all stems back to the patriarch of the family, Joe Kennedy. He accumulated great wealth and had grand plans for his family. He raised them with a sense of entitlement, and that mixed with their great privilege made them all believe that they were above the average person. For a family who had so many members pursue politics and public service, they treated many of the people they met quite badly. I applaud Christina for walking away from JFK, Jr., but I wonder why so many other women did not make the same wise decision. I can only assume that the wealth, power and Kennedy prestige were just too irresistible.
@@lisalivingston6473 I saw a movie (miniseries?) about Joe Kennedy quite a few years ago - what an eye opener!!! Like Onassis they made their money from illegal means, but that was just the tip of the iceberg!!!
Another interesting book is ‘Jackie, Joan and Ethyl’. I got it several years ago at a Salvation Army 6 books for $1 (I miss going to that store but I moved across country 😂).
I bought & read this book years ago. Several comments up someone posted about Joan stabbing Ted, that they were both Coke addicts & something about a plane crash & Joan was the cause. I mentioned this book & indicated how I had never read/heard any of that about Joan & Teddy & was sure it wasn’t in that book.
If you have read "The Great Gatsby" you would have the idea that Boston and New York City were centers of society. It was all about social standing and old money. When John Sr. Got into politics, it was during the years of early tv. The Nixon- Kennedy election was the first election that was televised. The contrast in physical appearances between Nixon and John Sr Was very dramatic. Apparently Nixon did not show well on the screen while the young and very handsome Kennedy looked like a movie star. As did hos wife. He also had great speech writers and came out looking much better than Nixon. It was the media that named them "Camelot".
I saw an interview with Brooke Shields who said she briefly dated John. She thought he was a jerk, so that didn't last long. 😊
@@anncarper8163 Brooke is a bit weird herself
I saw the same part of that interview! He totally ghosted her and left her on her own because she wouldn't sleep with him. I think the interview was with Howard Stern.
@@malomama4750 Try to find that interview. I believe it was with Howard Stern. He was really rude to her because she wouldn't sleep with him and left her on her own to get back to where she was staying. (allegedly}
@@JulesK1452 sorry- stern is vile and I really don’t believe the story OR Brooks remembering of it. Speaking of Brooke, she’s had mental issues so I don’t trust her
Brooke didn’t date JFK jr. She met him one night in Aspen, I think. She went back to his hotel and he fully expected she would sleep with him. She wasn’t going to and it made him angry. He didn’t even call a cab for her. She had to call a cab for herself in the hotel lobby.
Here's my JFK Jr. story. In May 1999, a friend and I were Battery Park in NYC. I was standing next to an iron fence. A skateboarder was in front of me. At top speed and out of nowhere, a roller blader smashed into the skateboarder. In a split second, I crouched like a goalie to protect myself and to keep the guy's head in from slamming into the fence. (Mind you, I'm a woman with zero athletic skills.) Thank God, the skateboarder was wearing a helmet. Thank God for adrenaline. My friend shouted: "You could have effing killed us." Then she squealed, "OMG, you're John Kennedy Jr." There he was, a Greek god wearing nothing but gym shorts and a dazzling smile. Of course he wasn't wearing a helmet. He briefly asked if we were OK. Then off he sprinted back into the congested pedestrian area. He was dead two months later.
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Wow.!!!😵💫😵💫😱🤡
Wow! So wild! 😮
So very sad. He was gorgeous 😍 Irish and French combination.
Here's my story.....my bff and I had just graduated High School in Massachusetts. We obviously knew a lot about the Kennedys. Her older Brother was an aspiring Actor on Broadway and Model. I took the train down from Westchester County where I had been apprenticing at my Aunt's Travel Agency for the Summer before starting College in the Fall back in Massachusetts. Anyway, it was the Summer of 1978 and the Hottest Nightclub on Earth was Studio 54. Anyone alive then will remember its Celebrity notoriety and famous debauchery that went on there. We decided we'd get all Glammed Up🌟✨ and try to get in. We were SO NAIVE!! While we were standing in the crowd at the entrance, I look over to my left and there is JFK Jr. with what looked like a couple of bodyguards. He was born exactly one month before me, so he was only 17 years old as well. As soon as I spotted him, I started yelling, there's John John Kennedy! The Bouncers hadn't spotted him yet. He immediately looked pissed and hustled his fanny out of there. I may have been responsible for ruining his Evening out on the Town but I'm pretty sure Jackie would have approved, 😊😉😉
The people featured in the memoirs you review sure make me appreciate my nice, quiet, boring life. If that’s how the rich and famous live, I’m happy to be broke and unknown! That said, it’s great fun hearing all the drama.
Thanks Cheere! 😁
@pamelagarza646 Absolutely agree! I'm happy with my humble, calm life.
Here here 👍🙏
Hear! Hear! Absolutely agree. Give me boring and mundane over rich folk dramas any day.
Amen to that, sister.
One of my quotes "I'm so glad to be an insignificant nobody"
Read the book in two days. The women in the lives of Kennedy men played a role in their own demise. For all that’s been written about Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, she wasn’t the prize her photographs convey. Not a particularly ‘nice’ person. The Kennedy wife I have the most empathy for is Joan Bennett Kennedy who paid the price of her entry into this family of narcissistic misogynists by drowning her sorrows in alcohol. No thanks.
I remember the time he ended up in the emergency room after she stabbed him with a kitchen knife. They were coke heads. I actually have always wondered if they may have been coked out during that flight, and perhaps got into yet another argument, and in a rage she grabbed the steering and brought the plane down.
@@HomeAtLast501 Whoa!!!@
@@HomeAtLast501I wondered that too, that she may have had something to do with that plane crash.
@@HomeAtLast501oh wow, I don’t remember this. I just downloaded the kindle version, & just stopped this video. Will Re listen once I’ve read the book. By any chance is any of this in the book? Seems I’ve read a book on Jackie, Joan & Ethel & nothing on a stabbing , a plane going down or coke use. 😮. Interesting post!
@@MoonShadows1995 The plane going down is how JFK, JR., died.
Nobody said "no" to JFK, Jr., nobody said "no" to Prince Harry. Misery ensued for both...
Perhaps, but one was very intelligent, not Harry 😂
John Jr. wasn't either.
@@solangemooney1107 what makes you think JFK Jr was intelligent?
I think Harry is better than John Jr. Harry didn't put his loved ones in danger. Harry is annoying but he isn't sadistic. If I had to choose , I'd definitely choose Harry over John Jr., Harry is at least faithful and seems to treat his wife as well as he can .
Harry went to the opposite direction. Taking abuse from his wife.
My mother used to be a huge admirer of JFK, but the more she read about him and his family over the years, she changed her mind about him. The men were so so so entitled, reckless, and they used women like regular people use tissues. 😢
I was the same with Elvis.
@@MrsGator7 really??
@@MrsGator7...I still love Elvis.
@@maxinefreeman8858he was trash.
Read Priscilla’s book.
I was going to the State Fair in 1992 I think in Memphis when a woman outside the fair was with other people campaigning for Clinton I was new to voting in President election 28 years old and when I asked her why I should vote for Clinton she told me "he's so cute" I was stunned it never occurred to me that people would vote for a President because he's cute. I knew then we were in Trouble
Look up women getting the vote Family Guy. That was a exaggerated but correct statement on why Warren G Harding got elected.
That’s exactly how he got elected, women thought he was good looking and charming. Most grandiose narcissists are.
i have a cousin--a democrat--who always votes for the best looking candidate
@@dinacap2660 there was a reputable study about 20years ago that this is true.
@@dinacap2660 there was a documentary about John f Kennedy and his opponent JFK was more appealing
RUclips it
I just found this and I’m loving it! JFK Jr was about the same age as me and I remember he would be in all the magazines and sometimes the news and my Daddy said to me and my sisters (3 girls) don’t ever date or marry someone like him - he’s bad news (no pun intended). He said he’s always hurt and whatever he’s doing that injured him, he’s lousy at it. He said he had no common sense. Mom & Daddy asked if we thought he was cute. Of course - he’s absolutely fine! A super fine hunk! We all were all in athletics and if you are serious, you learn how to NOT get hurt. My Mom got onto us for laughing because she said he’s had a rough life. Say what?! And then in her sweet Mama voice she said, who does he really have to help him become a good man? A man that loves his wife and provides for her and the children? Being rich is not always monetary. She said we are very, very rich with all of our love and joy we have for one another. It felt like a “Walton’s” or “Little House on the Prairie” moment. She and my Daddy were together for almost 70 years before he passed away. Then she said this one thing to us…whose turn is it to clean the kitchen? 😄
Thoughtful and beautiful comment🤗
There is so much written about a Kennedy curse. There was no curse, it was their self importance and arrogance that was their downfall. As for the women involved, they were after status and money.
So the women, they may have achieved their desire but also got the anomalies as well.
Yes. In that way, they were EXACTLY like my British Royals.
@@MTknitter22wtf??? You get that from what you read?
@@kathleenconte3360 pet?
Well Jackie already came from a wealthy family, so not sure she married for the wealth. 🤷♀️
"The minute she (Carolyn Bisette) said 'yes', she regretted it."
False. She was thrilled to marry him. Carolyn was scared to fly with him. She was pressured to go with him, and her sister (RIP) helped convince her to go.
What is true is hidden.
This I believe is true, even though she waited 2 weeks to give him her answer. That was all an act. Look back at pictures of her from when they 1st started dating , to when they got married & her physical transformation. John & Carolyn’s relationship was off & on in the beginning as he would go back to Darryl Hannah. Then notice by the time they got married Carolyn’s physical transformation had taken place. She lost a ton of weight, hair very blond & longer, eyebrows plucked very thin. She wanted that tall, blond sinewy look aka Darryl Hannah she thought John was more attracted. So yes, you better believe she wanted to marry him. But then they returned from their honeymoon & she couldn’t abide the paps & all the media attention?🤦♀️. Come on, she had been dating him, what did she expect once married ?
@@MoonShadows1995
I think they both had their agenda to marry. And both had their issues for sure. But John was reckless and it affected others, while Carolyn was reckless with herself trying to be what she thought he wanted in a woman.
If someone says u
are too good for them, BELIEVE THEM!!!
So true...people also show you who they are, BELIEVE THEM 🫣😁
Former pilot here (Gliderpilot, Power Plane Pilot, Chief Tow Pilot at our gliding club.....and female !)
To me it was absolutely terrible to see such a horrid death for John's wife, her sister, and I can only imagine the intense grief that Caroline's family experienced.
Yes, he had some "Instrument Flying" lessons, but this meant absolutely nothing. first of all, It is extremely difficult to get an Instrument Rating.
JFK had minimal flying hours period, he was a true "newbie".
Never in a million years would I have undertaken the flight that he did, with what little experience he had.
It seems to me that he viewed himself as much higher than the average joe, he thought he was invincible, he was "entitled" beyond belief, and in the end this is what killed him, his wife, and her sister.
Personally I have zero respect for the guy.
They’re all alive.
You describe a narcissist
@@maureenreagan7677Tell me more. I'm intrigued...
@@maureenreagan7677yes. Living in Bozo’s Bucket #6.
I agree. He tempted fate way too many times, and it cost his wife and her sister's lives. He was a narc in my opinion.
In a book full of nasty people, I had the most difficult time with what Joe did to his own daughter, Rosemary. I thought i knew that whole story, but no. Looking forward to your presentation of this book. Thanks, Cheere! ❤
Absolutely beyond sickening. As far as I think...Joe is the father of all this scandal and abuse. 100%.
@@NiniM8154 I'm no fan of Old Joe but at the time he did it lobotomy was considered by many MDS/ mental health professionals to be the best -and kindest thing to do.
The weirdest thing about it was that he didn't tell Rose beforehand. That pretty much tells you how checked out Rose had become from her family.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 yes, that's true. But Rosemary's lobotomy was botched. In my years as a psych nurse, I actually had a few patients who'd been lobotomized. Just heart-rending to see the blunting of emotion and near-erasure of personality left by the procedure. It's hard to fathom how it was ever seen as compassionate.
@@NiniM8154 We still have a long way to go but we have come a long way in understanding compassion care for the developmentally disabled and mentally ill. Lobotomies are one in a long line of what can only be considered torture. When I was a child women were encouraged to institutionalize their "mentally retarded" children and not go visit them so I suppose it is somewhat to Joe and Rose's credit that they didn't do that to Rosemary
I read Kate Larson's book about Rosemary. Absolutely heartbreaking story.
I thought Rosemary was the best-looking of all the Kennedy sisters. The recent book about Rosemary talked about men being attracted to her and vice-versa, to the point that Joe couldn't control her.
These are my stories about John,Jr.:
I was 20 yrs old and a Canadian student studying in Athens, Greece in 1974 the first time I saw JFK, Jr. boarding an airplane at the Athens airport with his entourage, which included his sister Caroline and a friend, several bodyguards, who had just flown in from Onassis’ private island of Skorpios.
He was a young teenager then, saddled down with an expensive camera equipped with a huge lense, as they boarded the double decker plane through the entrance right in front of my seat.
We had been delayed outside on the tarmac for almost 2 hours, in sweltering August heat, while awaiting their plane, as this was the last Olympic Airlines flight ( then owned by Onassis Jacqui’s then husband) allowed to leave Greece for New York after the military junta had invaded Cyprus.
He was a gawky teenager then in 1974 but there was a hint of the good looking man he would become as an adult.
Fast forward to the 1980’s…
I attended law school and moved to NY City with my husband and worked at a law firm in the World Trade Center in Tower 1. When I rode the subway, I would often run into JFK. Jr. once he started working at the DA’s office. We would smile at one another and exchange pleasantries and I have to say he was one of the most handsome and charismatic men I have ever had the opportunity to meet! John was so charming and utterly delightful as a human being, down to earth and utterly relatable!
I say this because we were total strangers yet he was so pleasant and so very likeable and could relate to people in such a natural way.
John was concerned about many social issues and the plight of those in the cycles of poverty and homelessness. He left a lasting impression on me that I will not easily forget!
Whatever negative characteristics some may choose to write about him, I truly believe that he had that “common touch” that would have taken him far in the political sphere!
I was truly saddened that he and his wife and sister in law died in such a tragic accident which was most likely preventable. May God Rest their Souls 🙏🙏🙏
Thank you for sharing.
@@maya8627I really liked the person I got to know! 😊
@athenaf8278 thank you for sharing your story. He is still missed to this day. It was so sad when he died. I really think he would of went into politics.
JFK jr rode the subway?
So do I. He could have been a politician for the people.@@chrissyknowsitall5170
JFK, Jr. had ADD and dyslexia which explains a lot and was why his mother arranged for him to take the bar exam in a room by himself. I have no issue with that. While he enjoyed risk taking adventures, he wasn't a jerk. I have never spoken to anybody that knew him that thought that. He could be really down to earth, generous and funny. Was he perfect? No. NO COMPARISON to Prince Harry. Good God No. I remember growing up and not seeing the big deal with either JFK, Jr. or Carolyn Besette. Yes, they were attractive but I didn't grab a tabloid or really follow news about them too closely. I will tell you one thing.....after they died....the more research I did on them and their crash....the more questions I have. Too many things didn't add up with what the press was telling the public as to the cause of the crash. But, I'm not going to kick him down or his wife after such a tragic ending. They both weren't bad, evil or sinister people. I always thought JFK, Jr. was a little lost when his mother died and that's when his life kind of spiraled out of control a bit. I think he did the best he could.
Aristocrats don't like marrying actresses. See Meghan and Harry.
lol MeGain wasn't even a proper actress. She was literally nobody
The late Prince Philip chided Harry about actresses and show girls. " You step out with one. You don't marry them."
@@rebeccagilstrap3507 Correct. There was a time when becoming an actress meant you were removed from The Blue Book - The Social Register. That happened to Marjorie Meriwether Post's daughter Dina Merrill. Marrying one was frowned on - see Capote's Swans Anne Woodward - who was never accepted by society. You screw actresses, not marry them (which I think Prince Philip actually said to Harry).
Jacqueline was from that world and had married down socially when she married a Kennedy ,who were not American WASP aristocrats by any means. She nixed John even considering marrying Daryl Hannah.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 Thank you for the deeper explanation! I just thought it was because actresses were sluts. Is that about the same thing? 😘
@@elizabethhopkins7582Bouviers weren’t WASPs?
Old man Kennedy, Joseph perpetuated this type of behavior. Trickled down to all the Kennedy men to this day. Great comments Cheere!!
My heart really really is with Mrs. Bessette and Lauren’s twin sister💔
Her mother passed and Lisa is the only one left.
@@mauiswift6391how sad. I hadn’t heard. The trauma they endured I’m sure was unbearable. 🙏
When did she pass? I hadn't heard this... May she rest in peace @mauiswift6391
@@clairelivefreeordie2551 2007
@@mauiswift6391I thought so too, but actually she has not. Her stepdad has, but her mother is still alive. There is a website which indicates incorrectly she has passed, but it’s fortunately wrong.
Good video! I literally ran into JFK Jr. before he died. He was riding his bike down the wrong side of the street in NYC and I screamed at him. He apologized and gave that smile. He was better looking in person and had such a charm. I see why he got away with a lot. I feel bad for the parents of Carolyn as they lost two daughters. May they continue to rest in peace.
They are all alive dear..and have seen.them.at 3 Trump rallies. President Trump and John.have.been good friends and John is.and gas.been.helping Drain the Swamp‼️it's true. You will find.out.verrry.soon🙌
If my boyfriend got my pet killed due to their carelessness, oh boy. He'd need to watch his back.
I so agree with you! Just the idea puts ice in my veins!
Agreed! Don't even go there with my fur-baby! 😮😮😮😮
100%. Hell hath no fury.
I agree with you there.
yep. my ex who i dated for 10 years ran over my dog while upset with me and trying to peel out in my car. devestating
I’m totally stunned at these revelations about JFK jr. The way he’s carried himself,seemed so down to earth ,polite, ,well mannered,caring,
educated,calm and sensitive. He covered his real self well. When he spoke of his mother’s death outside her apartment,at the Convention
and trying to protect his new bride from the paparazzi and her privacy, he was strong and well spoken. In all his appearances,his demeanor seemed so well put together. Total shock about his attitude and disregard of others. Wow!
he was assassinated, now his character is being assassinated. Like father, like son
JFK Jr fooled millions of people.
He was more than what these catty comments make of him. See my personal experiences with him posted above in comments section. 😊
@@emmabradford137 why did you say ,he was assassinated ? Reason I ask , a few weeks ago on a program “ hit man”,was revealing different
info and remarked that JFK was and then his son. It blew me away,because I saw him so differently. Now as more comes out I’m surprised about his true nature and.personality,I never knew. As I get older,I can see I’ve been fooled.with some people
I know this is WILD😐 although I did hear rumors that his wife did fear to fly with him. Oh and according to Brooke Shields. She dated him and she was not ready for a intimate relationship and she said he got pissed and broke up with her
Cherie is GIVING the gifts! Thank you for doing a series on this book!!!🤩👍🏾
When I was in college, during the summer break I worked in Hyannis and there were so many stories of what the Kennedy children had done that went unreported. I say “children “ but they were over 21. We all knew to stay away from them.
I heard that over the yrs to just say hello if ppl ran into them just kind and move on I still never ran in to a Kennedy.
Thank you, I too read the book and did not appreciate it being disjointed. Glad to see you are organizing by wife or girlfriend.
Agree. Isn’t that well-written to the point of being confusing at times, but in the end one gets the picture of how disgusting these people are. As for Christina and the kayaking incident with JRK, Jr., I hope she counts herself “lucky” having escaped ALIVE.
I love the way you are organizing the different stories focusing on each individual character!!! This is really going to be a fun and interesting series!!!
After years of my husband not taking me to the hospital when I was having surgery, I dumped him. This Christina dodged a bullet.
Isn’t it amazingly sad that even though Jackie appears to have had an awful marriage to JFK, she raised her son to be just like him. 45:27
I think it's in their DNA!,
Jacqueline didn't experience her marriage to Jack as especially awful. To her infidelity was to be expected. They respected one another and had a deep intellectual bond. John Jr was nothing like his Father (who was clearly a sex addict) when it came to women. He wasn't a womanizer.
Her father was a womanizer and abuser, so she accepted it.
Read her own accounts of her marriage. There was tremendous affinity between them. Along with his philandering and entitlement, they had much in common, were similarly intelligent and with social appetite for political scene and related history. Both avid readers. And more.
Jack was intelligent
JFK Jr. lived in a way that scripted eventual disaster. The was no "Curse". For JFK, Jr. I believe it was his lack of focus, his ADD, and lack of genuine skill that caused his demise. I bet his wife found him increasingly more tedious to deal with and became unhappy. I just wish she had not trusted his talents at such a demanding activity as flying a plane. John-John was over matched.
@gingermaynor495 I agree. How sad that she allowed her sister to fly with him knowing what an inexperienced pilot he was and had no business flying so late in the evening without the benefit of daylight. I've always felt devastated by what the Bessette sister's mother and family endured in that tragedy. To lose two of your daughters in such a preventable accident...so sad.
His Mother made him promise he wouldn't learn how to fly. After she died he did it.
It is tragic that Carolyn, who should have known better, agreed to fly with him that night.
They were ill matched as people, she was an introvert, he was an extrovert. She wasn't cut out at all for the public life she signed up for and which he could do nothing to change, and their marriage was on the skids. It turned out to be truly the last shot at trying to save it 😢
It's such a tragedy. He thought, I guess, that he was untouchable.
The Narcissist loves triangulation, playing people off against each other: juggling Christina and Hannah at the same time, leaving his job to let Mithcel and the publishers face each other (and by the way, being a magazine veteran and dealing with John's failing his contractual obligations to his publishers are two different things), subtly playing Christina and his mother's relationship to suit his whims...textbook.
I was just going to say that. The editor is not equipped to handle a flailing publication's budget, advertising and finances. This was a celebrity-driven magazine and if he's m.i.a. there's little she can do except watch her reputation along with the other staffers circle the drain.
@@isabelledetaillefer2726 I know it's popular these days to label virtually everyone a NARC but I knew John and I am well acquainted with NPD and he definitely was not one.
@@elizabethhopkins7582WE NEVER REALLY KNOW PEOPLE!!!! HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN HIS ACTIONS?
I worked for a tabloid in the 90s and saw him in NYC. I can still see his striking appearance in a dark wool coat and beret. He was adored by all, really.
Not all.
Not by all.
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Tragic deaths yes but no “curse”. Reckless entitlement arrogance led to death and destruction.
Ditto
Kathleen was running away from daddy when she was killed. Rosemary was lobotomized by daddy. The Kennedy curse is real, and it's name is Joe Kennedy.
Oh goodness! I can’t believe it! Getting ready to listen to this book and looking forward to hearing it. I’ve heard so much from the author, Maureen Callahan, as she had been doing the rounds of promoting this book. I’ve read lots of books on the Kennedy’s from Jackie Kennedy to the Kennedy Women, to the Son’s of Camelot and a book on Chappaquiddick.
I agree with you in regards the authors presentation of the women.
I don't think and never have that there is a Kennedy curse, just entitled individuals who didn't have to think about consequences or the feelings of others. It seems they just ran roughshod over others. There seemed to be plenty of hangers on who would clean up their mess.
Yes! The only “curse” is their inflated egos and sense of entitlement! Have read this book, too, and will enjoy Cheere’s reading of it!
OMG I have been waiting for you. Mounties Sunday? Loved Wendy's book and your reading. No Diana accent in this one, I will miss that.
However the tangled mess of the Kennedys is like a pile of sparkly things and I have Magpie eyes! Hey ho, let's go!
Well said!
Maybe she'll have a spot on Jackie voice!
@@melodyphillips2388 Or Marilyn. dodobedo.
Happy birth day Mister President.
I agree that it seems weird that Anthony Radziwill, JFK Jr.’s cousin, sat with Christina after her surgery instead of John, but otoh, if they were all part of the same social set, it’s possible that Anthony was just being a friend who (unlike John) actually cared. He was the son of Jackie’s sister Lee, and sadly died from cancer barely a month after JFK Jr., Carolyn and Lauren died.
The incompetent, more irresponsible Kennedy's (which is pretty much all of them, but with particular attention paid to Teddy and John John), always had a quasi-family member in close attendance to fix the messes their idiotic wards got into. Teddy had cousin Joe Gargan as his fixer. Not too close to be in on all the family's business, particularly the criminal activities, but not too distant to be uninfluenced by family loyalty, these hand-maidens knew how to be discrete and could be trusted to never publish a kiss-and-tell book on their experiences with the Kennedy clan. Talk about POS manipulators.....
Who's Christina?
@@jentleil2183 JFK Jr.'s college sweetheart.
A family name curse
Reaching Up, a non profit John jr founded in 1989, providing educational and opportunities for workers helping people with disabilities. William Ebenstein, executive director of Reaching Up, said, "He was always concerned with the working poor. He had been a member of the Senior Advisory Committee of Harvard's Institute of Politics for fifteen years and an active participant in Forum events.”
I can't believe Christina was still going out with him after the kayaking incident. Even if you're okay with him risking your life, can you imagine him potentially doing this with your kids one day? Not father material here.
As Cheere said, what’s he gonna do on the wedding night, stab her?
JFK Jr. sounds like a psychopath
@someamericanfanofQE2 Good point! Can you imagine what JFK, Jr. would have been like as a father? His kids would probably be known as the daredevils of the neighborhood!
Christina Haag's kayak version is very different 🤷♀️ she has very fond memories of her time with John jr, she called him loving and caring, said he carried her up the stairs when she broke her foot, couldn't stand to see anyone or anything in pain. She says, in her book, they were stuck for an hour
@@Obi-MomKenobi Yes!! The version of her broken foot and their kayaking event in Christina's 2011 memoir is COMPLETELY different from this one. This author is spinning the stories in order to support her own POV that Kennedy men were schmucks and their women hapless poor victims .
By the time this happened Christina had known John for more than a decade and had dated him for 5 years.
She was well acquainted with his daredevil, adrenaline-seeking side and often found it exciting. There was a hot s*x piece to it too. She could have said no to kayaking with him that day but didn't. That's on her. And then she agreed to get back in it with him rather than go with the Fisherman. Also on her.
This book annoys the heck out of me.
@@elizabethhopkins7582 it’s sickening to see certain ones salivating at twisted stories in that book simply because they can use it to justify their hate/jealousy of the Kennedys. Really kind of shocking that a teacher would find that sort of book to be something worthy of even being read.
😂😂😂I swear I'm howling with laughter at the voice you give JFKjr. ❤ it!
Me too!
I gained such an informed perspective on growing up royal in Wendy's book. I cringe when I remember blindly defending Diana. Can't wait for your insights on this Kennedy book.
Ooohh and we thought badly of our lovely Queen. Ouch on that one. Diana was many things, some of them good but she was also a cool liar (we all believed her) and used her looks as a weapon. Not too nice.
@@DawnSuttonfabfourwasn't the propaganda incredible? Diana: you stupid worthless peasant! I've got a camera crew waiting. Get me a leper to hug NOW😂😂😂
Same here! I abhorred the family because of Diana - omg was I wrong! I totally messed up. I’m now trying my best to make amends to myself and every time I spoke out carelessly - I’m now a firm supporter of King Charles and Queen Camilla and will openly advocate for them. Wow what King Charles had to put up with - the scamming manipulation and now that Megan is starting it again - omg! The horror
Does Cherre have videos on Diana? when were these put out? I've been scrolling her list but it's a lot of videos!
@@cayad2591 She was reviewing Lady C's book and Lady C threw her toys out of her pram. She was completely OTT about it and Cheere decided not to continue. I recommend The Housekeeper's Diary though. That goes from wedding to split.
So nice to get away from the royal family! We've had an overdose of that family! Especially H&M So... thanks!
I love the royal family but it is refreshing to have something totally different!
@kimroy55 I agree...it's a much-needed break, especially from Harry and his "43% Nigerian" wife - LOL!
OMG - you called it out from the start. How can we call all these Kennedy men out - without understanding the women they were drawn to - and who were drawn to them. Some moths to the flame. Others - who absolutely knew who these men were - and continued in their relationship!!
Jackie Kennedy has bothered me for decades. I’ve read about her relationship (by different authors) regarding A Onassis. She signed a prenup - knowing full well - he paid for sex with young boys/men. Then beat them up within an inch of their lives and gave them a lot of further cash - to silence them. Jackie got paid paid fortunes as part of marrying a child and young male sexual abuser. That’s after her escapism from the Kennedy’s. . So please let’s not make victims of these women.
Agree and Onassis also beat his first wife to the point where the carpet would have to be replaced because of how much blood there would be. His own son dying young is also a sign of problems. Jackie used people just as much as she was used because she was an elitist, privileged person. I've never cared for her.
Just like Uncle Teddy who left Mary Jo to drown… sick men
I found the chapters dealing with John Jr the most enlightening. All of the documentaries on him portray him as a perfect man. This was eye opening that he wasn't so special, other than something drool worthy to look at.
He wasn't perfect. He was a person with flaws just like any other human. Given the enormous burden of expectations he was given to carry after his Father was slain when he was 3 and his extraordinary beauty he was actually remarkably normal and not much at all as this book seeks to portray (smear) him
But how much is it even really true? Look at the books giving glowing details on H&M - and we know that is wrong
@@malomama4750 I know because I knew him in all sorts of different ways and contexts.
No one who has known either he or Harry since the day they were born has written a book about either one of them. This version of John and Christina Haag's relationship doesn't even match what she wrote about him in her memoir. One of the few things ever written by anyone who knew him well. No one who knew his Mother well wrote about her either. If you ever even commented to the Press about her or her children she froze you out and never spoke to you again no matter how long or well she had known you. So this book is pretty much garbage about her too. That's what guarding your privacy looks like in real time. More a Prince William approach, who Diana quite purposely raised using John Jr as a model of a certain kind of man born into fame, than hang it all out there and inspire no true loyalty Harry.
John was neither Saint nor Sinner but a remarkably normal guy given the enormous burdens of expectations and myth he had to carry his whole life.
To those of us in DC and especially in the NY district attorney's office, we knew him for what he was: an incompetent, spoiled brat of mediocre ability and unremarkable intelligence whose family name bought him access to everywhere. At no time in JJ's life did he ever accomplish anything of merit. And the thing was, his arrogance was so all-consuming that he never knew that we saw right through his act.
@@CaesarInVa you sound a tad jealous. Are you aware of that?
I’m so glad you’re covering this book! On the wait list at the library so will read along once I get the book.
Well I was alive during the JFK Jr tabloid years and remember having thoughts from time to time that he was foolhardy in his stunts and activities He was often pictured wearing casts, slings, and crutches more often than your average person sort of thing and I wondered about his personal carelessness because he was also very sporty (as the earlier Kennedy generations seemed to be). And reports of him going up in some crazy glider not long before his death and just lots of risk-taking on his part going on. I never dreamed the risks would be extended to others. Just thought him an adrenaline junkie and he had the fractures and Broken bones to prove it.
Also I remembered this careless aspect of his personality after the accident. Not surprised at all the findings were “pilot error”. He certainly was charismatic but with the risk-taking he ran out of his usual good luck.
PS I remember that issue if Spy magazine. Damn I loved spy. Tons of fun. That might have been the last issue before that mag folded and was a sad day for me. I still probably have their JFK Jr piss-taking issue buried in storage somewhere 😂🤣 I always looked forward to the latest Spy magazine back in the day. It was like MAD magazine making fun of the elite. 😂🤣
Anyway can’t wait to hear your take as always on this book Thanks Cheere! Have a great weekend everyone! 👋🇨🇦🥰📕📖📚
Imo many of the Kennedy kids, now adults were reckless in their sports. Remember I believe it was RFK & Ethel’s son Michael died from playing football while skiing downhill. 🤦♀️🙄. Like really?? IIRC, he was the one married to Frank Gifford’s daughter.
Those that really knew John, knew he embraced the work to help the city's poorest. It’s only 20+ years that friends would speak of the John they knew.❤
Those that really knew him ALSO have helped pop some of the worshipful myths. JFK, Jr. had had everything given to him his entire life. He had so much potential but he did not stick with the opportunities where he could really have made a difference.
Looking forward to hearing this book, I read about Joe Kennedy a long time ago and had the impression that Rose seemed the sort of mother who although being domineered by her husband did the same sort of thing to her children. She wanted them to be the perfect all Americans and wouldn’t accept weakness from them.
OMG I remember John-John very well. He was like a movie star in the political realm, and really was a gorgeous man. Endless tabloid shots of him jogging shirtless, which I enjoyed. I even remember George Magazine, which I didn’t read because I was in my twenties. He seemed so glamorous and well-spoken. I never knew he was basically a dumb frat bro.
That's an insult to most fraternity members!
That “dumb frat boy” graduated from law school. Have you?
@@CornbreadOracle but he wasn’t a dumb frat boy, in spite of you wanting him to be
@@malomama4750 I don’t want him to be anything; he’s a dead piece of eye candy. I’m talking about how he comes across in this book.
@@CornbreadOracle Dead piece of eye candy? Wow. You seem nice.
Im English and really dont know much about them buuuuut.... im so excited for this book, its everywhere. BRING IT ON!! Loving the music.
Written by a Daily fail "journalist" . Tabloidish
@@elizabethhopkins7582 it doesn't really matter who wrote it as far as I'm concerned. It's mindless entertainment unless it's from source.
@@user-bm7en1lh8d OK. Be mindless enough not to take much of it as fact would be my point.
@@elizabethhopkins7582no. Maureen is a columnist for the NYP.
I can the internal rage that developed, in these women, knowing what your husband was up to behind your back, I imagine alcohol and other substances soothed the pain, but aa a couple of these women discovered, if you marry for money, you will earn every cent, and then pay the price.
The price never ends up worth paying.
I understand why they were almost revered. JFK came onto the scene as a young handsome maverick with a beautiful wife that exuded class and refinement. It wasn’t who they were but the idea of who they were in a time of great excitement and hope for the future. It was a period of great optimism in America and the Kennedys embodied that.
Jackie Kennedy married men like her father Black Jack Bouvier. John Jr. was half JFK and half Black Jack.
LOL!! Your impression of John's voice is absolutely hilarious! I love it!! 🤣
I could listen to Maureen all day I love the way she calls out Harry and Meghan. I'm excited to listen to this book. It's a shame she hasn't called the women out.
I had gotten a private pilot license a few years before John crashed. It seemed obvious to me that he didn't have the training or experience to handle that type of plane or the predicted weather conditions. The family should have been charged for the costs of the search mission to locate the plane.
John, John was the American version of Prince Harry....😂 He had a death wish for sure.
He was GORGEOUS, truly.
@StuffToDoNow
He was, he had his mother's beautiful dark thick wavy hair.
I don’t see it. Harry hasn’t almost killed his wife many times??
What?! 😂 Wtf? Prince Harry wishes he was like JFK JR. Okerrrrr whatever you say Harry.
@@Winston820💯🎯
Simple, Jackie Kennedy spoiled him.
Well……
Omg 😱 been waiting, you are hysterical!😂
I've been waiting for this!!! Not sure I want to read about all the evil doings of the Kennedys, but I'll listen to your review.
@@Broadwayshowgirl you should listen to the good those “evil” Kennedys did - like the Peace Corps, Special Olympics, civil rights , stopping a potential nuke attack from Russia etc. I guess those things don’t matter do they?
So they were involved in philanthropic works, so what? Hitler provided for the German people as well. Most corrupt elites are trying to compensate for all the disgusting things they get away with. Look at all the secret pedos and corrupt politicians who are admired by the public and then the truth comes out.
Women who want a man bad enough to put up with this have some serious problems. People that don't value your safety .....big red flag. The women needed to grow up and get themselves sorted out. My husband is a pilot and safety is first. I have refused to get in planes with pilots I didn't think were safe. No relationship is worth dying.
In Jackie’s own words. “If you bungle raising your children, I don’t think whatever else you do well matters very much.”
In my opinion she did bungle. John Jr. should have been encouraged serve his country perhaps to join the armed forces where he might have received proper flying instructions. Instead, Jackie steered him to pursuing a law degree for which he was ill suited for. However more socially acceptable in her elite social world.
People's pets are not replaceable. That story where he got her pet killed really bothers me. I wouldn't be surprised if he was just like " Igot your dog killed, but i can buy you a new one"
It is sickening. Makes my stomach churn.
@@bethanywallace8575 kind of like his numerous bicycles. Lose one? No big deal. Buy a new one. What a jerk.
Yay!! I’ve started the book and 😮 it’s crazy. I knew JFK was horrible to women, but I didn’t realize how awful he was to Jackie. The JFK Jr is all new & suuuuuuuuuper interesting. Teddy murdered a woman, that’s not new news - how callus he was, or maybe dismissive was rather shocking. The RFK & RFK Jr stuff is new, to me, and pretty shocking.
Love how you weaved in the Israelites. You are the best!’
Dear Cheere, here is my humble perspective on the Kennedy's, and yet another book about them, this time from the inevitable "feminist perspective," if you care to read: We have always known that the Kennedy men were womanizers and quite spoiled. That has been told and re-told through the changing perspectives of the times, and people have made lots of money off it. Of course, the Kennedy's were a sort of a crime family, like all dynasties. What I fear with such books is that the actual important legacy for our country will be diluted or erased: The Kennedy administration, and the Bobby Kennedy run for president, DID offer a true betterment of our society. Not like today, where all politicians serve the same masters -- the Kennedy's (John and Robert) were the last of the USA big time politicians who had their own actual platform and whose decisions and actions were actually their own. They both got killed for it, particularly for their opposing a secret state and the military industrial complex. What Dwight Isenhower warned about in his goodbye speech is what ultimately happened, and what killed the Kennedy's. Also, in terms of civil rights and integration, we have gone a LONG way as a society, and that comes in large part, whether people like it or not, because of the Kennedy's. Particularly Robert truly believed in everything he said, and he showed his work. Also unlike now, they both had the actions to back it up, rather than just empty meaningless slogans. So while in their personal lives there is plenty of gossip to discuss, and we all love gossip, it is important not to dilute the true values of these men as public servants. The fact they are rich and good looking is in a way the curse of it all -- because we love to idolize people like that. John Jr. was a product of that -- and a cautionary tale about dynasty children. Perhaps if his father had lived, as well as his uncle, nature would have taken its course and he would have been raised right, and if he had lived, he would have overcome the down sides of always being told "yes." We will never know. Nor will we know about Marilyn, and how she would have turned out had she lived. This is why we make legends of them -- it is pitiful really, but it sells magazines. Also, it is human. Thank you for your work.
Yes, Rose raised her children to be politicians. She said a doctor can help one patient at the time; when you go into politics, you can help the nation. JFK certainly did that. His politics was not influenced by his sexual life. Rose also had quick hands, as Bobby said, the children had to watch themselves.
I don't know why people think JFK, Jr., was always told, "Yes."
He was also told, "No."
No, to becoming an actor. No, to not being a lawyer. No, to marrying Darryl Hannah. No, to becoming anything but what Jackie decided he should want or be.
These are key milestones in a person's life, and he wasn't allowed to own, run, or make decisions for himself. The internal level of frustration must have been something.
They wanted to be a Kennedy bc the Kennedys were larger than life. These women wanted to live a big life. An important life. Maybe even a life recorded in history books. A fame beyond fame.
I’m looking forward to the book but it’s not unexpected that the author glosses over women’s having agency over their own lives and their children. Women are often attracted to money and power, and that ride, for all its fun parts, would carry a huge price.
@@judywright4241IF the ankle surgery and kayaking stories are true, and apparently Christina gave different accounts of both when she wrote her own book, she had the ability at any time to say not good enough and walk away.
I have my doubts on this entire book though. I saw a snippet of the author giving an interview discussing a moment Jackie supposedly had with JFK’s dead body that not only did not have even a slight ring of truth, I don’t see Jackie sharing that piece of intimate information with anyone much less someone who would share that information for a later author to find and publish.
@@Boudicca527 Bingo!
@@cocop5058 Exactly.
I don't think that anyone who knew them questioned whether John loved Carolyn . He was nuts about her. But quite a few questioned whether or not she really loved him. She was a Dentist's daughter from Greenwich, which is pretty low on the Totem pole in VERY status conscious, very wealthy there. She wasn't especially smart but she was smart about the ways to hook a rich and/or famous guy ( pretend you don't really know who they are and say No to them. Works like a charm !) Score ! She caught the biggest one!
Like Meghan Markle somewhat she seemed to never have really looked at the life that she was signing up for when she landed the big catch and married him or asked herself if she was cut out for it. She wasn't. That's not a good or bad thing - few people are up for that level of public attention and invasion of privacy. But it seems the most important question to ask yourself if you are going to marry that kind of man. She pretty quickly started to resent him and their life but he didn't have the power to change what she resented, though he did try in numerous ways. That doesn't sound like "love" to me.
Their personalities weren't well matched - she was an introvert and he was very extroverted and that is difficult in any marriage and especially so if the extroverted person is famous and manages their fame through that type of personality lens.
All a pretty sad story really with a terribly sad ending .
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Chere! So excited for you to deep dive this book. I will miss the Diana voice but, hey, it is what it is 🥰
She does do a great Diana 😂
Yay! Perfect timing to listen to this on my lunch break.
Excited to learn about the Kennedy family! I love your book reviews, Cheere! I hope you and your family are having a lovely vacation 💛
Excellent… so happy to see this new series. 😊
I knew John and many of the other people written about in this book. It doesn't accurately portray the John I , or anyone who knew him well, knew. It's a sensationalistic book, written by a tabloid level reporter, with a POV to sell, claiming to have "new information" no one has ever heard before (not true) , lacking interviews with sources who knew John Jr, Jacqueline or much of anyone in it well.
Her tale of John not only lacks any understanding or empathy for the complexity of John's psyche and why but seems simply prepared to label him everyone's favorite slam these days - narcissist!! But he wasn't a pathological narcissist and I don't think that anyone who knew him would say that he was. He was, in fact ,remarkably humble in many ways. A genuinely nice guy. A bit of a peaccock sure, why not. He was an unbelievably handsome guy who would have had women falling over him even if he had been Joe Schmoe's son. He wasn't a womanizer. At all, despite the fact that he could have had anyone. Daredevil yes. Absent minded in a way that made him irresponsible sometimes, yes. Spoiled? That's complicated. Jacqueline was the original helicopter Mom and quite controlling in a way that he sometimes rebelled against. She also very purposely raised him far away from the Kennedy's. Especially Ethel's kids. He was in many ways more Bouvier than Kennedy.
It also lacks understanding and putting him in the context of the world he came from. While it may sound shocking that he would ask someone for 20 million dollars to start a business without a lot of info that's fairly common for sons of wealthy, well connected people. And they often get it.
You are right to question the motivations and deeper stories of all the women in this book.
In her 2011 memoir Christiana Haag paints a very different version of events, especially about the Jamaica kayaking incident and her broken foot. By then they had been together for 5 years - so yeah - why did she let him talk her into it? Here is her story of it . Does he sound like a giant asshole of a boyfriend in it who was trying to kill her? He doesn't to me.
Anyway, FYI.
www.vanityfair.com/news/2011/04/jfk-jr-christina-haag-201104
Thank you. This was very interesting information that feels a lot more closer to reality than the stories told in this book. I was so sad when John Jr died so young.
Yes. I agree with both of you. The first comment above us is the most intelligent and accurate of all!!!❤🇺🇸💙
Thanks you Cheere, I love your readings , interpretations and meanderings . Makes it a rich experience .
Oooh yes!!! Can't wait for your take on this book. So many times i was astounded by what these folks got up to. Yikes!
The book I’ve been waiting for!!
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Never understood the weird idol worshiping of this family. American royalty, my foot!
Love your take on this book. But then I think I would enjoy listening to your comments on a cookbook.
Me too! I’d listen to Cheere read the Sunday Funnies!
I'm very happy that you're reviewing this book.
I’m scared to learn more - sometimes I just want to live in my fantasy. But, here we go!
Just remember this is one authors perception. All people are viewed differently through different eyes. The truth usually lies somewhere in between. Also, I feel men take a lot longer to mature and are very influenced by how people react to them. He may have had a false sense of confidence and/or felt he had to continue to show he was invincible. That all aside. What a tragic loss.
I’ve read every book written by JFK Jr’s closest friends, and I’m compelled to speak up. There’s a lot, but he deserves this. Christine Amanpour of CNN lived together while attending Brown. “He was an ordinary boy in extraordinary circumstances,and he lived his life with grace.”❤
Here’s the thing, John was much more than what’s in this book. The Robin Hood Foundation, JFK jr served on their board for eight years. He embraced the group's work to help the city's poorest. After his death, for his philanthropic work, an award was renamed in his honor.
Big deal. The rich and famous are always "awarding" themselves.
I agree, everyone has good sides and sides that need work on. The book is quite sensational for marketing purposes. I think when you can get anything you want in life, getting a thrill out of high risk behaviours was the Kennedy curse. It started with Joe Sr., to his children and grandchildren.
I believe he had a beautiful heart. I just think he was RECKLESS 😐
Please define “ embraced” the group’s work. I would love to know his attitude towards philanthropy.
There's another family worth exploring. I believe I'm dealing with several. I'm 76 and under a blanket literally cowering at not knowing who's in my building. My life has been devalued by several famous families. I've had over 25 years of my talents never seeing the light of day. While as a divorced woman having men thrown at me they seem to treat life like a sport. I had a friend who was favored and given special treatment. A friend who got to know everyone personally. Who knew my talents. But out of jealousy, was very clever at manipulating me.
Yes, thanks for doing this one!
Thank for you for giving each woman an individual chapter. I presume it was more work for you? Great for us if we want to delve into a particular Kennedy woman later on. Very much appreciated.
I love your reading style, it’s spot on. The Kennedys are all smoke and mirrors
Yes! Thank you 🎉
JFK was killed for wanting to pull out of Vietnam. Johnson escalated after he took office
John was all looks and not brains. When you’re in love with an image and your eyes are glossed over because of all you see and hear, the truth pill is hard to swallow. Then the pieces of the puzzle start to find their home, you realize your gut feeling was right all along, nobody is that perfect. This is going to be a good read.
The women loved the attention and money. Caroline Bissett was so fake and pretended to be a shy girl being victimized by his fame.
Joan was the only one who TRIED to get out of her engagement to Ted but Joe Kennedy strong armed her father not for her to back out. Of all the wives I feel bad for her the most.
I already read this and I am looking forward to your review!! I learned a lot but also felt a lot of times I was shaking my head about SOME of the women. I already knew a lot about JFK from reading Bill O’Reilley’s Killing Kennedy. Good thing or I would have been utterly SHOCKED!!
I'm so excited! I've been waiting for thiiiiis!!
I remember reading Rose Kennedy's autobiography back in the 1970s and, as a 20-something year old, being absolutely enraged by her and her family. What ensued with her children and grandchildren came as no surprise! The book's out of print, but it's well worth trying to find an old copy.
@@DavinaWilson58 I have that book somewhere. I remember reading it back then.
@user-hl6mq8zd7l Ooh! Do try to find it! It would be fabulous to re-read it alongside this new book! 👋
The book written by old Joe Kennedy's driver is interesting too. When he had a stroke, the family deliberately chose not to help him or call an ambulance until the damage was permanent and irreversible. They were sick of him (who could blame them) and letting him be partially paralyzed and almost unable to speak was the family's way of neutralizing him. Joe was a crook, a bootlegger who scammed the Stock Market before the crash and in order to avoid criminal charges, he showed the police how he did it. The fact that he was able to buy himself an ambassadorshio to the Court of St James, got a son into the White House, a daughter married to a Marquess, and a younger son into Congress for life is astounding because Joe should have been in prison for corruption.
@gnostic268 Interesting...will look for that book, thanks for the info. x
I agree, wish the women weren't glossed over by the author. Thanks for keeping each woman separate. Much better than jumping all over the place 👌.
Oh boy. Absolutely wanted this book ❤❤❤
Jackie Kennedy ran off to be with Onassis in Greece because "they were killing Kennedys" , she said after Bobby Kennedy was killed. And she wanted her son in politics? I'm starting to wonder if "John - John" was fooling around while flying that plane as one of his daredevil antics just to amp up Carolyn and her sister. Sorry for the use of the media's nickname for him, I just couldn't resist. The memory of that darling little boy saluting his father's coffin is still so clear in my memory.
I know what you mean about the author carefully painting in all the warts and blemishes of the men, but leaving the women almost cartoon-like in their blamelessness. I started to feel the same way about Ann Rule's true crime books. The killers were always carefully drawn in all their monstrous deformity, but the victims were treated in an almost saint-like way. I guess there's a natural desire not to blame the victim, but it isn't blame to be honest, and point out when a person acts in a way that draws catastrophe upon him- or herself. People have gotten so hypersensitive to accusations of "judgmentalism", they refuse to even think in terms of "What could this person have done differently which would have avoided this situation?"
I don’t get your comparison with Ann Rule’s books--which I read--to painting a more realistic picture of women who were drawn to the Kennedy legend even more than the men themselves.
Who ‘deserved’ becoming a victim in Rules’ books? Dianne Downs kids should have known better to get in the car with her? While Laci Peterson knew Scott didn’t want children, I’m sure divorce would’ve been a more sane conclusion than murder. Bundy victims? Because they wanted to be helpful to someone wearing a cast, were they supposed to know he was a serial killer before the term had been invented by Robert Ressler?
I’ve seen an interview with the author where she discussed one snippet about Jackie with JFK’s recently deceased body that seemed such fantasy and invention that I can’t even take this book, or the author, with a grain of seriousness but I love Cheere’s takes on any book so I’ll listen until I just can’t… like with Jada
When watching true crime shows, I often see how the victim's behavior made them more vulnerable and more likely to become a victim. One example is young girls sneaking out of their parents' homes after bedtime.
If you marry for money, you'll earn every penny.
I think the loss of JFK followed by the assassination of Bobby gave the family an untouchable air about them. They were protected for many decades because of this. Even loser Teddy
It is pathetic how Ted turned out as he grew older having out in bars ,drunk and being aggressive with young women
@Kathrynorkate I agree somewhat, but I think it all stems back to the patriarch of the family, Joe Kennedy. He accumulated great wealth and had grand plans for his family. He raised them with a sense of entitlement, and that mixed with their great privilege made them all believe that they were above the average person. For a family who had so many members pursue politics and public service, they treated many of the people they met quite badly. I applaud Christina for walking away from JFK, Jr., but I wonder why so many other women did not make the same wise decision. I can only assume that the wealth, power and Kennedy prestige were just too irresistible.
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Joe Kennedy was as dodgy AF!
his own father and Rose's father
were not paragons of virtue
@@lisalivingston6473Yes!
@@lisalivingston6473 I saw a movie (miniseries?) about Joe Kennedy quite a few years ago - what an eye opener!!! Like Onassis they made their money from illegal means, but that was just the tip of the iceberg!!!
“When he decided to call the kayak a yak, it’s over”. 😂😂😂😂😂
Look at the mess William Kennedy Smith caused
Been a big admirer of Jfk jr. Recently came across a RUclips channel called John Fitzgerald Kennedy Junior, what a eye opener!
I feel so deceived!
The Kennedys used people
I wasn't really looking forward to this book but now I'm hooked! Also- great idea to divide the chapters by characters. Lovin' this!
Another interesting book is ‘Jackie, Joan and Ethyl’. I got it several years ago at a Salvation Army 6 books for $1 (I miss going to that store but I moved across country 😂).
I bought & read this book years ago. Several comments up someone posted about Joan stabbing Ted, that they were both Coke addicts & something about a plane crash & Joan was the cause. I mentioned this book & indicated how I had never read/heard any of that about Joan & Teddy & was sure it wasn’t in that book.
If you have read "The Great Gatsby" you would have the idea that Boston and New York City were centers of society. It was all about social standing and old money. When John Sr. Got into politics, it was during the years of early tv. The Nixon- Kennedy election was the first election that was televised. The contrast in physical appearances between Nixon and John Sr
Was very dramatic. Apparently Nixon did not show well on the screen while the young and very handsome Kennedy looked like a movie star. As did hos wife. He also had great speech writers and came out looking much better than Nixon.
It was the media that named them "Camelot".