Doctor Who | Episode 7x05 Reaction & Review | "The Angels Take Manhattan"
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Doctor Who | Episode 7x05 Reaction & Review | "The Angels Take Manhattan"
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R.I.P Amy and Rory 💔
Also R.I.P. my kitty Bellatrix, who passed away a few weeks ago. Someday this video will make me smile.
Also, I did see "P.S." after this, though I was mostly spoiled for it. Damn spoilers.
xoxo FWR
i'm so sorry for your loss💔 rest in piece Bellatrix
Sorry for your loss.
I'm so sorry for your loss😿
I'd like to add my condolences for the loss of your kitty. I know how hard it is to lose a beloved pet. Sorry for your loss
I am sorry to hear that I know how painful it is
The bit at the end? In Amy's very first episode we glimpsed this moment where little Amy is waiting in the garden, hearing the Tardis return, but then we don't see it arrive so we assume that she just dreamed that moment... but now we find out in 'Take Manhattan' that Amy has always known that the Doctor came back that night and told her that she'll be able to go with him and have all these adventures, but not until she's much older. From the way Amy describes it, it seems that she's always remembered this happening but never mentioned it to the Doctor - and she knows that he'll now see her one last time, as the little girl he first met all those years ago...
I have the same thoughts, especially since throughout her story she had such vivid and clear memories of him, it makes sense that it’s partly because of him going back. I don’t think it’s takes anything away from the Eleventh Hour either because her frustration was more so that the people around her didn’t believe her and tried to make her think it he was an imaginary friend.
@@jciarra Absolutely, and I even think it adds to The Eleventh Hour - especially as that odd little moment was always there, so it seems to have been the intention that her story would always end this way. Besides, I love the idea of the Doctor going back to the little girl that he's spent all this time watching over, and seeing her one last time as the child he first met. It's somehow even more poignant than the farewell we got to see...
But that doesn’t make sense because Amy in The Eleventh Hour clearly saw him last when he promised to come back in 5 minutes.
Also because that violates the preestablished rules about the Doctor crossing into his own time stream. I always thought it was just a sweet, poetic ending but nothing more as if that actually happened, it seriously screws up the timeline.
@@jciarra She screamed at The Doctor “Then why did you say five minutes?!”
She clearly hadn’t been gently let down but reassured of what was to come, she had not since him since she was 7, and felt cheated. She was angry at him for not coming back as she spent her whole life believing he was going to.
@@Longshanks1690 Okay, so why do we get that odd little moment in The Eleventh Hour where Amy seems to hear the TARDIS coming back? It's there for a reason (and fits in with the general theme of the 11th Doctor's era being back-to-front). I do recognise the pre-established rules you mention, but if you're expecing pre-established rules to matter in Doctor Who you haven't been watching it long enough.
The day will never come where I can watch this episode without crying
highly doubtful lol
Doctor: "We all came back where we belong."
Rory: "What? In a graveyard?"
Exactly.
Ahh I've been waiting for this! Such a bittersweet ending. Great character development on Amy's part through out season 5 till now. Running away from normal every day life to wanting a normal life. One of the reasons why this is such a good ending for her and Rory
Amazing episode. 💔
I'll always remember seeing The Doctor putting on those glasses and suddenly seeing the 1200 year old man that just lost another friend, Matt Smith was really good at letting that side of the character show!
I always thought that he couldn’t visit because they both are now “fixed points”. Similar to Jack and his reintroduction with 10 and how even the Tardis took awhile to adjust to his existence. But since Amy and Rory’s lives are fixed because of the Angels it makes even more complicated and impossible. Not sure how valid this theory is, but it’s how I processed it.
Well, think about the Weeping Angels' first appearance in "Blink," too - the Doctor and Martha couldn't bring Billy Shipton back with them from the 60s because his death was a fixed point - Billy's death had to happen so that Sally could get the info she needed to defeat the angels and send the Tardis back to the Doctor. Bringing Billy back causes a paradox. In the same way, the Doctor knowing Amy and Rory live out their lives means he can't rescue them, or else he creates a paradox. Of course, I'm not sure if that explains why he can't *visit*, but maybe your Tardis idea fills that hole in.
Amy: ''You think you'll just come back after dying?!''
Rory: ''It's Moffat, Amy; When don't I?!''
Moffat: ''...Fine, no more Mr. Nice guy for you.''
Might be able to clear 2 things up?
1) The Doctor going back to visit young Amelia was foreshadowed in Smith’s first episode, The Eleventh Hour. Right before Amy joins the Doctor on the Tardis she seemingly “dreams” of the Doctor coming back to visit her as a child. *This* episode implies that that wasn’t a dream, but a memory.
2) Within the episode the Doctor says time can’t be rewritten once it’s been read. The Doctor reads Amy and Rory’s name on the gravestone. So now he can’t go back and get them in 1938 because he already has the knowledge that he doesn’t go and save them.
As for simply visiting Amy and Rory...Wibbly wobbly, Timey Whimey?
There is a follow up Minisode called PS. You must watch it. It only lasts about 5 minutes.
Read the pinned comment
Hiya. Regarding Brian, you need to watch the Minisode called 'PS' for closure. Stay safe. All the best to you.
Check out the pinned comment
@@caitlin329 - Thanks. My bad, as 'they' say. All the best.
There’s also a book and audioplay prequel - An Angel’s Kiss, which ‘shows’ River Song working Detective Melody Malone and why the secondary villains were looking for her when Rory ‘dropped by’.
Rory dying reset the timeline. Amy jumped too in case Rory was wrong - she'd rather die than live without him. The Angel at the end was a survivor.
just opened it, first though: 'oh sh*t'
So glad you're back and I'm sorry for your kitty loss!
I have 4 myself and totally relate to not being able to close doors. But we must obey them!
Sorry about your kitty, I am guessing she had a good life with you though.
This episode was eight years ago and I'm still not over it😭😭 I can remember hiding behind a cushion from the angels then it was just soaked in my tears. Raggedy man, goodbye.
River very much as her own life to live, her own adventures apart from the Doctor. We only see the ones where they interact. A psychopathic archeologist has places to go, bodies to dig up
The cat was like, "How DARE you speak to me."
“So many impossible things have happened......” Very good! Loved the reaction. Haven’t rewatched this as much as some other episodes, too traumatic! So sorry to hear about Bellatrix - they leave such a hole when they go, don’t they?
I think that he did always have gone back to "play" with little Amelia. He was, after all, her "imaginary friend". I doubt he would have been called that from just the one night. But if he visited on several nights, told her stories, played games, then yeah.
Interesting thing is, the doctors we have seen until this episode might have been this doctor visiting dead Ponds from the future. (T-T)
Farewell to my all time favorite companions.
For the part about why the Doctor can't ever go see Amy and Rory it's because he can't go back to the time they were sent to without tearing New York apart. The Tardis isn't able to take him back to visit them.
I’ve watched this episode and countless reactions to it and I’ve only just noticed the symmetry that River first met her Mum in an episode featuring the angels and then the last time was too!
I thought it was a bit OTT having the Statue of Liberty being an Angel, but still a good episode for the Ponds to depart. The interior at 7.46 was done in Bristol too, I think at one of the university buildings?. Odd that you've seen The Snowmen story first?.
There is a small unfinished scene, you can find it on youtube, about Brian after this episode. It's called 'p.s.' I think, definitely check it out
To see after PS there is another video called Doctor Who Lockdown: Rory's Story...
@@cargo71 oh yeah, almost forgot about that. Best thing coming out of last year was definitely all the Doctor Who content
The Statue of Liberty Angel was more like Ghostbusters 2 were they control a mood slime doused Liberty with an NES Advantage. Though I can see it in the Stay Puffed Marshmallow Man too.
River is no longer a doctor - she's a professor - the title she had in The Silence in the Library - her story is also coming to an end (one the Doctor already knows) and we know he doesn't like endings. However, she skips around in time so anything is possible.
When you get to 7X06 take a good look at the book in that episode.
Saw this come up in my subscriptions, immediately had to grab tissues and a drink before settling in to watch.
Ahh The Ponds... my favorite companions, this pair was really hard to say goodbye to.
A thought just occurred to me. How could the Statue of Liberty move? I can't picture nobody's eyes ever not being on it.
That's why it never moves irl 😉
After the paradox Amy and Roary appear laying on their own graves
4:21 “I mean they do kill him a lot though”
This actually made me laugh pretty hard it’s so true lol
The Doctor didn't erase himself - Oswin Oswald did in 'Asylum of the Daleks'.
Actually, the Doctor did erase himself. Oswin erased him from the Dalek database. The Doctor erases himself in a minisode
@@chilean395 Yeah, and at the end of Wedding he says he's going to do as much.
Oswin erased him from the Daleks’ database, yes, but the Doctor himself went around removing himself from various other db. He implied he would this at the end of 6x13, and there’s a mini-episode about it too: ruclips.net/video/iOFe9UvZ0Xw/видео.html
...also, I think you missed the creepiest part with the cherubs. I think you had your eyes covered when the cherub blew out Rory's match, in the basement. I remember thinking that was a nice touch. Made it scary.
I always wondered if the doctor could just time travel back to another city and just travel from there..
It's been 20 minutes since the graveyard parting scene and I've finally calmed down.
I cry every time. I can't help it.
Making me cry is something Moffat excels at. Speaking of which, I should probably check out Dracula.
Oh boy! Here we go!!! About to watch this...getting the tissues ready!!!
One of the things people got irritated by at the time was the Doctor healing River's wrist with regeneration energy. It was felt to be too sentimental. To further compound this supposed felony, the revelations in The Time of the Doctor seemed to contradict this moment. However, I think this is the point when the Doctor realised he was on his last life, as he only had a limited supply of energy to give. That's my headcanon, anyway.
It was all meant to happen....the 2 final chapter names and the fact that Rory read his gravestone meant that it was all meant to be
no matter how many times I see this, :( Was in shock so long the first time I saw this.
So the idea the show put forth about why he cant go back is because the angel activity so snarled up timelines that putting a time machine near there would make it freak out. That being said its a little flimsy but i let it slide. Your other questions were pretty good ones though
River still could’ve used the Vortex Manipulator to get them back. That’s how she got there.
I'm not sure if the lore was forgotten or what, but in Blink, Ten says that the same angel sends you to the same time.
Perhaps he knew it would but didn't want to give her a reason to go. Rule #1.
@@zoeadams2635 You make a good point. :sob:
You're back! I hope you're well!
This is not a spoiler cuz you’ll have forgotten it when u get to the part, at 0:31 u’re saying “I must… I must” like the 12th Doctor😎 says “Oh, but u must… u must”. The smile… the inflections… and even the pause
I was looking away when the red arrow showed up, so that part looked like u were looking at screen showing the feed from your video camera and taking to yourself and telling yourself “Hey, there she is… hey behbe”, I was quit confused.
Aw, maaaan! And bedtime was so SO close... Feck it! Here we go! ;)
Nooooo, how did we get here so fast. Raggedy man... goodbye🥺🥺
I love the on going theme of Rory dying but then coming back. Makes the double fakeout even more shocking when it's actually final in the middle of a series. Raggedy Man, goodbye 😭
@Chris Travers It was a mid-season finale, though, and at the time everyone went in knowing it was their final episode. Sometimes I think going in absolutely spoiler-free doesn't always work since episodes like these confuse people as Amy and Rory leave in episode 5 of 13. Same thing as Oswin in Asylum, everyone at the time went in knowing Jenna Coleman replaces Amy and Rory so her appearance during their era is a shock.
The whole time can be rewritten unless you read it is nonsense. Then again, the doctor lies. I assume he’s dumbing down in order to make something comprehensible to Amy. Because he reads stuff all the time and changes things. Then the writing changes. But despite the logical holes in this story, I loved it as the conclusion of Amy’s story. She went from reluctant and running from her wedding, to choosing Rory and her marriage over everything else. Heckuvan Arc. Her story made perfect sense, even if the plot of this one didn’t always. It goes back to the episode “Amy ‘s Choice”. It’s always been about that episode. That episode showed us everything happening in her Arc from there on.
As far as the Angel sending her back to the same time - that was established in Blink. The angels tended to send people to the same time stream (the doctor and that cop both were hit with the 1969 Angel). I like to think River can go back and see her parents- maybe with the Vortex Manipulator she can take Brian. She’d probably have to blip into Paris and take a boat over to NYC but she could do it.
Mark 16:54. The Lady Liberty one, was funny, but it doesn't make sense to me. It is hollow, and people go inside her every day. So how does that work? 🤔
Also, why was, River, not sent back? Is it because they chose to do whatever it was that was done to her wrist? 🤔
Edit! Mark 24:53. Okay then, did she swim or wade to the mainland? 🤔
You live in NYC? Or NY in general? You and the blonde, two of my favorites relatively in one place! 🎊🎉 (Why can't I remember the blonde's name?) 🤔
Edit: Aha! Maybe it is a materials thing? Stone versus metal? The golden colored one by the ice rink, didn't make a cameo, did it? 🤔
If you're three series ahead, it's a bit late to recommend that you watch the minisode "P.S." to see the resolution with Brian, but it's there if you want to find it.
Read the pinned comment
Awwwww kitty
I'm not gonna lie, I cried like a baby when I saw this episode in the first 3 or maybe more times. They were one of my favorites (Amy, River, Rory, Doctor). The other one is Donna with the Doctor. All my favorites are gone with a bittersweet ending.
Still are. To me the show gradually went down hill after they left.
@@Jimmy_Jones I feel the same way. I watched with Clara and Matt Smith. But when Peter Capaldi start to play the Doctor, it wasn't the same and I stopped watching. And now with the woman... It's horrible, I don't even want to give a chance. (But if you interested a show with her and with David Tennant, start Broadchurch. It was amazing.)
I get through such episodes (which more often than not happen to be *Moffat* episodes) by taking them for what they are *_in the moment._* Any thinking beyond that, and stuff (possibly your brain), starts leaking out your ears.
In the episode “The god complex” the door Amy opens foreshadows Amy’s and Rory’s ending showing the weeping angels in that room. Now the Doctor did open another door, door #11 which the Doctor also sees the cause of his end but it doesn’t show us what that will be until the very end of Matt Smith’s run. Also, the reason why Doctor can’t just go visit Amy and Rory back in time is because New York is time locked which is why the Tardis had trouble de materializing in that era. This will be brought up in passing in another future episode, but won’t go into too much detail.
Can someone tell me what River meant by “their going to get tired of staying around here all the time” ??
It’s a graveyard, nobody would really want to spend long periods of time in a graveyard.
You must watch the DOCTOR WHO MINISODE, narrated by Arthur Darvil, where its explained to Brian what has happened to his son and daughter in law! Its well written. Check it out, its a must view if you're A fan of 11, Amy and Rory!
As for why the Doctor can't go back and see them, re-watch the episode cause its explained several times!
River song had no emotional reaction to her parents being zapped by Angel's.... Almost like that whole story of her being their daughter was dumb and didn't mean anything.....
Did someone tell her about "P.S."?? (minisode)
Best episode of the entire show
Oh man, we're here.
this one was a double whammy. first you think its ok then nope. rip amy and rory. the next episode or mini is P.S that is a good one.
It is known he can’t visit them and im sure its been explained in an episode but I can’t remember why🥴😀you have probably worked out this season was split in 2. Over 2 years.
Oh I do hope you watched "P.S."!
Once the writing was on the (Wall) I mean head Stone, Husband, & wife, that was them both having sealed their (William's) Pond's final fates.
A Romantic Suicidal Romeo & Juliette, love tale.
Sad, beautiful yet stupid & tragic.
A Perfect way for the Doctor to be damaged, & Really hurt, but as the Doctor finally realized River, lost her parents, & her favorite Companions.
River knows that her time with her lovely Mad Doctor, Husband, is splintering, & soon she'll be traveling a different passage of time.
Leading her to the Library...
The Weeping Angel's hurt the Doctor, &:not even his beautiful wife could save him.
The Doctor is alone again... 😶🌫️😖☹️
💖🌍🌎🌏💖🐶👩🏻🚀✨🌝✨
You will need to watch the minisodes to find out about Brian.
Rory Arthur Williams - RAW
Rory Arthur Pond - RAP
noooo the moment has arrived
Very sorry to hear about your kitty. 😿 Hope you are OK?
I realise you have probably well and truely moved on from this point in Doctor Who, with your reactions on Patreon, but I hope you had a chance to watch this - ruclips.net/video/XWU6XL9xI4k/видео.html
At the end of this episode, my first question was, why not take the TARDIS back, but land in New Jersey, to collect Rory? Oh well.
Oh this is gonna kill
Please watch P.S. minisode!
Yep, this episode, along with the conclusion of _The Big Bang,_ create some inconsistencies with Amy's character...and the _Universe,_ which, much like questions in _Lost,_ are never readdressed. Leading people to imagine what they think happened, then leaving it in comments with the words "fun fact" at the beginning.
I hope you watched P.S
😢
Come along Ponds
Someone needs to explain to me why the Doctor can’t just land in London and get the boat or a plane over to New York and then live with Amy and Rory for the rest of their life. Their grave says they died. Their grave doesn’t say that the Doctor couldn’t have lived happily ever after with them.
He didn’t even need to go that far. Just travel to Boston or Philadelphia. That should be far enough from New York.
Honestly I think it’s just a plot hole coming from a very weak reason for the Doctor not just immediately going to get them. In my head I just figure the Doctor himself can’t be in New York at the time Amy and Rory were. The TARDIS isn’t the problem, the reason it won’t go there is because it knows the DOCTOR mustn’t end up there again.
It’s not air tight but that’s how I prefer to think of it.
@@jacobcurle8964 and yet we can 100% guarantee at some point in the future the Doctors going to end up in the past, in New York. And it’s never going to be addressed. Moffat himself even acknowledged it doesn’t make any sense he said something like ‘show the kids a gravestone and they’ll know it’s final’ something like that 🤦🏻♂️ A bit like the absolutely calamity of his choice to erase all of RTD’s work by having it disappear down cracks in the universe. Every single thing came back as normal when the universe was rebooted. This is clear from Torchwood and Sarah Jane adventures set after series 5 of Doctor Who. But now half the writers seem to think that everything was still erased and lost because Moffat never explained it properly. He just said ‘yeh everything came back, unless I made any plot holes, they stayed erased’. And then there was his reaction to the 50th where he erased even more of RTD’s character building and acknowledged that with another flippant comment and plot that didn’t really make any sense.
It’s these flippant, non caring answers to massive changes or events that sort of delegitimizes them a bit. So yeh we’re sad that Amy and Rory have been sent to the past. But.....it doesn’t make any sense 🤣
@@obiwankenobi687 what character building did he erase in Day of the Doctor?
@@jacobcurle8964 all of RTD’s character growth for the Doctor around the time war
Not keen on this story, but it’s a good emotional ending for amy and rory. Mid season finale with a xmas special wedged inbetween, looking forward to your reaction to the second half of series 7
Oh boy. Here we are then. This episode. . . ok ok....just know that they really did do as much as they could with Amy's character. Squeezed out as much content as they could. It was time. And she has to move on and become Marvel's Nebula. And a sexy Jumanji character. And right now as this is posted she's .... blogging on you tube with her own channel. Last video on her channel has her training for another role. :)
We knew it was going to happen. Parties don't last forever :/ I even like how they tactfully surprised us with it. Nice and fast. Like ripping off a band aid. No?
She has. Check the pinned comment.
There are some major plotholes in this one.
I stopped watching Doctor Who after this ep. Only picked up again after the coming next companion.
You stopped watching? So have you missed a whole bunch of episodes?
@@obiwankenobi687 I didn’t watch his next companion. I caught a few eps, and a special. But no. I thought Amy was better from the eps I saw anyway. So I was sad and didn’t want to watch. The companion after which should have so gotten more than one season I loved. The current doctor is amazing. But worst luck of any doctor when it comes to companions.
@@endopoth7 Well you're missing out on some of the best stories; definitely go back and watch Clara's era.
@@endopoth7 you can’t miss out Clara’s whole era she had such a growth. You’re missing out on so much content. And a lot of what you would have seen would have made no sense without the context that her era provides
@@obiwankenobi687 I’m biased and don’t like the color pink at all from the episodes I saw if you get understand what I’m trying to imply. Her leaving and Bill coming was good.
The tombstone read Rory & Amy's written in stone, they were dead.
The Doctor could never go to them, they would already be gone.
That's what the Doctor said to Amy, before she let the Angel take her...
🥀🪦🕯️👩🏻🦰👨🏻🦱🥀