I've been watching videos comparing the two forces (the Turks and the greeks) for a couple of days now. What's amazing is that in the comment section of those videos the most liked and commented comment always is the one that Greek expressing respect and love for the Turks or a Turk expressing love and respect for the greeks and trash-talking about the politicians of both countries.
You know, Turks and Greeks and Kurds and Arabs lived for 1000 years together in and around Anatolia. And all this time sultans, emperors, marshal turned politicians, religious fundementalists and traitor high ranking officers who sold their country FUCKED THESE PEOPLE OVER AND OVER. Why you invade from Izmir to Ankara (650 fucking kilometers deep) if Sevre Treaty says that Greeks can defend Greek people in Ottoman Izmir? Why when English leaves Greek Cypriots can kill Turkish Cypriots just to clain the whole island for themselves to join Greece? Why now thousands of little islands given to Greece by Italy (as they were meant to be returned back to Turkey) gives Greece the authortiy to control whole eastern Mediterranean? Why Europe, France especialy (since England is not Europe now) backes Greece to do this shit like England backed Greece back then? Can you see a connection here? Turks conquered Greece in the 14th and 15th centuries. Greece is trying that in the 20th and 21st centuries. For the mere people, how can I hate my neighbour? I would die to defend them right? So again and again just for the will of Europe, Russia, US, Greece wants to fight with Turkey 3rd time in a row.
Because the all area have Turkey now before was Greece. For this reason all the acient buildings, theatre they have greeks inscriptions. Everybody now how many genocides you make to take this place. Armenians, Greeks Assyrian and Kurdish
Please keep your respect if you’re going to debate with someone you never saw and never will on the internet, because you can’t change someone’s deep political thoughts, especially when you don’t even know them. In the end we all used to live together, Turkey might have invaded Greece illegally, but what about the things the Greeks did to Turkish civilians? See, there’s no end to this, it’s war, what did you expect?
While serving with the British Army, I spent about two and a half years stationed in Cyprus. During my time there, I was aware of SIX separate incidents of weapons fire across "The Green Line". "The Green Line" is how the British Army referred to the UN controlled border between Turkish Northern Cyprus and Greek Southern Cyprus. These incidents always caused tensions to spike and the threat level to be raised. Cyprus is a hotly contested issue between both Turkey and Greece, and both sides are more than willing to trade fire, even if it is against the rules of engagement.
@@davebeattie9573 Where did u serve? My cousin was posted in kyrenia. Also he was mention about incidents about shooting both sides but not in lethal way.
@@50caliberr After basic and trade training in the UK, I was posted to Germany (Gutersloh), Cyprus (Episkopi and Troodos) and then back to Germany (Bruggen). Never got to go to the Northern (Turkish controlled) side of Cyprus, as it is technically not recognized as a legitimate state and as a serving soldier, it was forbidden. As I was serving in the last years of the Cold War, Cyprus was always considered as a "holiday posting", in that you weren't on the lines against the Warsaw Pact. Yet in Germany there was always an understanding that because both sides had the power to wipe out all life on the planet many times over that there would never be an actual conflict, as the political leaders of both sides knew that any conflict between them wouldn't remain conventional for long. This meant that no matter how problematic things got, you always felt sure that a fight wouldn't happen. It was a common thought among those I served with, that these tension increases were actually done deliberately to justify/increase defense spending. The situation in Cyprus was always a precarious one. Each time there was an exchange of fire across the Green Line, there was a very real sense that this would result in a renewal of the conflict. Of the six incidents I was aware of, two resulted in casualties with one of those being fatal. The UN peace keepers along the Green Line had little chance of stopping either side if things degenerated in to all out war, and this would see the UK plunged into yet another war, due to the UK having two Sovereign Base Areas in the Greek controlled side, and they are technically UK sovereign territory. This feeling of impending conflict felt heightened as neither side had the fear of global extermination to worry about, as they were both in NATO, and NATO wouldn't use nukes on their own allies.
@@davebeattie9573 I feel you in the same way. But current conflict seems only occur to regional sea battle or conflicts. I don't expect a war or something.. I think both sides wont got into a full scale combat. Both country economies are not suspend long orientated conflict. Nato should take a part in both sides to erase that anticipation in aegean sea. If it may be happens, greece and turkey must become partners in aegean waters to find natural hydro carbon based resources.
Dave Beattie Correction: The south is The Republic of Cyprus which is the legitimate government of the island and internationally recognized, not “Greek Southern Cyprus”. There is no “Turkish Northern Cyprus”, but there is a puppet state in the northern Turkish occupied portion of the island which is recognized by no other country except the illegally occupying power, ie Turkey.
Thanks for the review. Was looking forward to your take on this. I think both air forces agreed to fly on SIM mode for some time. I know for a while both parties agreed to disarm their patrol flights but that might be a thing of the past now.
@@pavlosdimitriou9647 not sure how your selections are. But here in Turkey selection rules can lead a party to win the selection with 30s precent void. So this is exacly what happened in here. This winner party also has a religist idendty which never happened before in republic of Turkeys history. Hope you can see the problem. So the idea of "we also have responsible with it" is not always as it looks .
@@rellosapostolos2266 won't happen for the same reason as it would be logically the right choice ..too many common interest in the Region. Both Countries are economical not in the best Shape and both need rescources to spurt that groth. That and you have players in the background that would benefit if Turkey and Greek would go to WAR
For Cellphone users: 0:00 Turkish F-16 vs Greek F-16 0:07 Situation 0:52 Intro 2:22 Play Through Reaction 4:38 Analysis/Breakdown 14:01 Is it REAL or FAKE? 21:30 Closing
In TurAF terminology the term "Long" (Uzun) means Long Range AA missile and "Short" (Kısa) is for Short Range AA missile. So Hellenic Viper is armed with 2 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9 according to Turkish pilot...
The Greek vipers went to Cyprus undetected and in their return flight to Crete the Turkish vipers that were searching for them were intercepted by other Greek vipers from Crete.One of the Turkish viper returned due to fuel shortage..The cut of scenes and the fact that vipers with CFT exist also in tuaf it is a video with Turkish f-16 that train eachother...
@Jonas Savimbi Yunanlılar görüntülerin fake olduğunu ve diğer uçaklarında türk f16sı olduğunu ve eğitim yaptıklarını iddia ettiği için böyle bir açıklama getirmiş ve kesinlikle ayıramadığını söylemiş.
I'd think "SIM" mode would be an extra layer of safety to prevent an international incident. When you're not engaged in hostilities with any other countries, and you see a handful of aircraft coming toward you, it's almost certainly going to be just a probe of your defenses or diplomatic-directed show of aggression with no intent to actually engage (e.g. what US and Russia do a lot). It's also why they never pulled the trigger, another layer of safety (but in case they did out of instinct, SIM mode would still prevent anything).
no, it's a training aid that allows you to use the weapons sensors, display fully and press pickle to ensure all the valid sequences for a valid weapon release are followed. Everything is training, even if it's a live intercept, it's training, so SIM seems absolutley valid, although, it does give away the mental state of the pilot and he doesnt seem stressed or under threat.
as a turk with greek friends i 100% agree us turkish military has a rule that we can NEVER ever shoot greek aircraft unless they break this rule first same thing goes for greece we all dogfight on sim mode because we don't want to shoot each other we just want the other person to get out of there with no war starting greek people are nice ngl and politics kinda just separates us two people of two different countries and us dogfighting like this also trains both pilots of the countries aswell
Things are much more complicated than that. First of all what you call a diplomatic show of aggression is not just a perception addressed to the military. Furthermore it has specific name and agenda. Such agenda finds a convenient audience to the hole population of countries with emerging economies that provided a lot of weaponry but fragile enough to keep enormous inflation. Countries with mass population, controlled media and regulated by tight laws of criticism. Countries with a twisted perception of their "vital space" and "interests throughout three continents". Countries with a proven history and present of disregard to international law. Countries with leadership and people with absolute belief in the law of the mightest embedded to their perception of solving differences. Countries with alliances with dictators and invaders, very recent ones. Countries that of course have very low standards of democracy, eternal leaders (or Sultans) making fortunes and palaces on the public treasury, with the highest percentage of imprisoned journalists, judges, officers, teachers and so on, than any other country in the world under charges of "insulting the President" or "anti-countrysname-ism". Which is this country needs no introduction. You just have to listen its President in the G20 summit in Indonesia declaring in front of the international Press that, "coming one night" ,meaning invading to the neighboring country, is his country official dogma or " 2 or 3 persons are not sitting tight" meaning the other country 's Prime minister and minister of Foreign Affairs, as if they are some kind of public clerks of the smallest province of his country, are not behaving the way he wants. This country's officials speaks of the other country 's people as "low life's bastards that need to take swim lessons" (sic: President Erdogan speaking of the Greek people in recent public speech), showing maps with half his neighbour territory as his own. It seems surreal but yes, such a President and surrounding political establishment is a neighbor to Europe.The daily overflights of Greek soil is just another piece of the puzzle in Turkey's hostility that finally aims to militarily invade (under her very own statements besides the true indications) and anex half of the Greek islands because "they are too close and roosters can be heard to us" ( actual claim of President Erdogan during public speech). There was a thought to slaughter the roosters in Greek islands but then we thought that warms would bother him also; apart from the difficulty of the task to extinct warms we find it improper to deprive mr. Erdogan of his perfect match in case he ever made it to our islands. Feel free to educate yourself on the extremities and daily provocations of Turkey 🦃 that led her under the scorn of Germany and US, her most solid allies till recently.
American airplane vs American airplane..Who is the winner?Americans.Why?They give airplanes to some countries and they laugh because these airplanes fight each other.
You own the plane when it’s running a us software. In this case Greece is still using a US software but Turkey isn’t. So turkey can use the bombs that they make but on the other hand Greece is depended on US bombs
That island is Greece you handicapped Turkey 🦃🦃 Borders are borders. If you don’t like them you can go back 10-20 generations somewhere between Mongolia and Persia.... Seljuk Turk
@@georgepapias7726 Mr Papias we dont want to back to Asia. There is not such as a force on earth you know. Maybe we want to take back Selanik. Please save there strongly. Last thing. You are a very ancient civilization. While decades centuries central and northern European folks clean asses with stone, you established city countries. Dont go behind them please.
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@@dreamofsomeyoungguy9883 Bullshit.. Those "turkish" f16s are armed with aim 9s and aim 120s..
I notice every fighter pilots have a pair of a very sharp eyes.. They were trained to look and process informations without moving much of their head.. Look at the way Mover move his eyes 👀 Real classy and mad respect ✊
@@yunus3435 mal mısın yunus sen Adam önümde olan yunan f 16 vurabilir diyor ,komutanına soruyor vurayım mı diye , ulan var ya senin gibi mal çok bu ülkede yunus
As a kid, looked forward to Fridays because it was the last day of school for the week. As an adult, look forward to Monday because of "Mondays with Mover".
When I'd been in Dikili/ Izmir on last summer, I eyewitnessed dog fight. Two country occasionally do this at the Egea Sea. I think it is a military exercise for both side.
@@fentom4763 If i was living in a fantasy world I would try to make a country out of thin air in an occupied zone. You are full of shit. You are saying for a flight between crete and Cyprus, greek forces went 300KM out of their way, over land, just to mess with you. Please stop embarrassing yourself any more.
Thanks for the very professional brake down of the clip without getting in to the politics of it..wish more people could do analyses like you are doeing withour getting emotionally involved.
If someone in a combat aircraft pulled across your nose while you were flying in your airliner with no warning, 100 feet away, you wouldn't view that as unprofessional?
As a veteran, if you see nothing to tag the video as fake, then it's not fake. You probably didn't want to offend anyone, that's why you're saying you are not sure.
Cool video as usual, Mover! Interesting hud footage for sure but yeah, this was as you said a pretty benign event and spliced, so I don't understand why everyone was super excited when the footage came out. Can't wait for the interview coming up!
We have never forgotten our Greek friends who came running in our most difficult times during the 1999 earthquake. Nobody wants to harm the property of the Greek people and themselves.
The head of the Greek pair says at 3:25 "pame separation gia Rhodo" which means let's go separation towards the Greek island of Rhodes. Typically this means the end of the interception of the Turkish fighters because of fuel. Happens regularly. That explains why the Greek fighter is not manoeuvering aggressively and abandons after a few seconds.
@@serdarbay8760 it’s a fake video even if it was real when a F16 carried extra fuel and when the F16 doesn’t try to fight back it proved that it’s either false or Greek f-16 didn’t care most importantly it’s fake if it was dogfight there would be speaking English you sure go to the airforce before you speak
Turkish F-16 pilots is very old . Many many times in air fight . Has problems in Fuel . Greece have many island with airport and F-16 . Greek pilot don't have problem in Fuels.
Interesting informantion: "According to reliable sources, this is the pair of F-16s that had taken off for a distraction from Kastelli, Crete, which "pulled" the Turks on them, managing to drag them into a contentless air battle and the 6th group to return without even perceive them again. In the images officially released by Turkey, the Turkish F16s seem to be "locking" a Greek F-16 in an air battle in an area very south of Kastellorizo. Although there are no features that determine the download time, it is nevertheless considered "authentic"." Also the pilot couldn't or didn't try to get a steady gun track. The defensive guy didn't maneuver hard either.
Almost every day this type of so called dog fights happen between TUAF and HAF. Always videos will be released like this in one side and then the other. On defensive side pilots doesnt want to make too much agressive manuevers just in case it can get too hot too quickly. Same as offensive side, thats why they are in sim mode ı think. Its just daily routine for them imo. More interesting thing is except for the extreme nationalists both Turkish and Greek people actually getting along no problem. Its the conflict between ruling goverments not the people.
i believe that turkish people are fed lies and that erdogan is a big idiot for demanding from us. The lausanne treaty says no to them. Anyone who believes that turkey owns our sea is a fool.
no 2 jets had 2 drop tanks, and the other jets didn't . so all 4 had conformal tanks, but only 2 had drop tanks. this is so the jets without the external tanks can maneuver better. they were the escorts
exactly. Two long range missiles (probably Amraam 120s) , and two short range heat seeking missiles, probably Aim 9 or Iris which the Hellenic airforce has both)
It is clearly has been shot on sunset.You can see some clouds on orange hue.Video is not fake.It is cool that Turaf intercept on sim mode.Big applause for those gentlemans.This training kind of dogfights has become a tradition between Hellenic and Turkish airforce.It is like sports match and it is good for training.We have become each others aggressors.
Mark my words: that's a turkish pilot practicing with a pakistani pilot. Turkey "imports" pakistani pilots as far too many turkish pilots either have been forced to leave taf, or are imprisoned.
@@nissangtrnismo512 The turkish president mr Erdogan and his regime kicked off the TAF many(!) pilots and imprisoned many others both high rank officers and pilots, for supposedly being supporters of an imam named Gulen (Erdogan's ex-adviser and mentor), currently living in the US, who mr Erdogan holds responsible for the 2016 coup. Responsible or not, currently TAF is out of personel and came to an agreement with the Pakistanis to at least temporarily fill some of these needs. The aviator badge of the Pakistani pilots depict the flags of Pakistan and of Turkey as _"brothers in arms"._ Besides the above, Turkey the last years is increasingly being blocked from purchasing both new military equipment and spare parts for its needs. In particular, the last many years, the US stopped providing spare parts and of course upgrades for the turkish F16s - for all military equipment whatsoever - which is TAF's only type of fighter aircraft. You understand what this means for an airforce? Τhe Pakistanis came to fill this gap as well. This is "what the hell" I'm talking about. It's close to impossible for a turkish pilot to find himself chasing a greek pilot, simply bcoz the turks invade the greek FIR and are being intercepted by the greeks with equal or higher number of aircrafts. It is also very difficult for a turk pilot to find himself chasing his greek collegue, as the former are new pilots whereas the latters according to NATO (during both NATO and US international excersises) the greek pilots rank at the highest places everytime. I mean, after all, this is what they do everyday, more than 100 times a day: they intercept turkish aircrafts.
Hey Mover thanx again for taking the time to dive (a little bit) into the ongoing Greek - Turkish little cold war maneuvers. As I said in the previous HAF Mirage vs TUAF F-16 vid ,as an active duty HAF NCO that daily straps the pilot into the plane and launching him into the skies , I don't particularly give much attention to such snippets from HUD videos (in my 25 years of service I have seen enough AVTR to now which is legit or not) . Please bear in mind that at this time the countries are engaged in a protracted low intensity - long duration "conflict" and things are a bit more closer than ever into spiraling down into full fledged air-naval battle ... I don't know if those were Greek fighters under Turkish sights or not and in my opinion at this point it doesn't matter . In these situations it's a little bit like sports - sometimes you lose - can't win every time . But the claim that TUAF managed to prevent HAF F-16 from reaching Cyprus is false , as it is well documented via allied sources from their participation in scheduled maneuvers with French air & naval assets in the area ... You should expect more bragging videos like this from both sides in the following days-weeks-months... just my 2 cents
@@oghuzkhan5117 read some real history and get your facts together. Turkish airforce was looking for the Greek F-16s and trying to intercept them making them to go out of fuel but they couldn't find them in anyway...
I don't think the point was to prevent greek jets from reaching cyprus. Turkish MoD stated that the greek jets were intercepted because they got close to the "NAVTEX area" in mediterranean. If i understood correctly they didn't claim that they prevented them from reaching cyprus they just said the fighters were drawn away from the area. Also i don't see a reason for MoD to release a fake footage. Like you said these types of situations happen all the time between the two countries and its not only greece who gets to "win" and release footage.
@@alperentosun5677 fair enough. I might misread the TUAF press release . It seems that both air forces had different operational goals at that day . HAF wanted to fly to Cyprus and play with the French & TUAF wanted to have an AVTR kill to save face ... Both won (or loose which-ever you want) . But this childish play "I beat you - You beat me" is unbecoming of a professional fighting force member of a huge western alliance (so to speak) ....
Yeah,I think that what it is, they hate each other but not to the point to start a war. Its more like I see you kinda of a thing. And please,we dont need another war ...
Turkey invaded Cyprus in my lifetime. people have died on both sides. There has always been a conflict, this is just an extended ceasefire. And yes, Oil...
@@thebgpikester We greeks dont want the oil. Greece doesnt even have a way or the money to extract it. But it is in our waters and the turks will never touch it. Same goes with oil in cyprus.
it's on sim, it's because of good way of training the pilots. I heard about my uncle while he was a pilot in turkish airforce. They were mention about every dogfight we had with hellenic air force, we were able to practice as our skills and they did in same way too.. I hope it'll not get into battle and both sides will use their diplomacy to eager peace in region..
@Θάνος ΑλεDo you think so? You're provoking like 50 years.. And telling me provoking? You weaponized those non-military islands and talking about invading. The water perimeter only made by main lands not from islands. Do not create elements from your arse. If you want, conversation... Demilitarize islands and stop provoking borders.
Your politics is like arrogant kid... Always demanding, nothing more than that.. We didn't invade syria, we make a barricade for pyd to stop terrorist attack in domestic. And Libya, we were against to coup not to support anti-democratic movements inside the country. You're talking about invading, let's check about 12 islands issues, how did you invade there... In mid 1950's... Also about dictatorship; We might have dictator but your country full of pussies.
@Θάνος Αλε These are island countries , you're mention about 5 miles landsquare islands or less.. If you talk about all those islands, those are not mainlands :) you dumb fuck, read about geneva sea LAW.
@Θάνος Αλε IF your country convert their limits from 6 miles to 12 miles. It's an act of war... If your country change it, your country will suffer the consequences.. Those island's airspace inside of Turkish Airspace, if it's increased to 12 mile.
If I ask, can you delete your comment? It makes us happier that these Greeks look down on us and don't take us seriously; As Turks, we will achieve a much easier victory. Also thank you for your comment.
Shooting down a russian jet was about pilots stregth. It was about having balls to shoot a Russian jet. Not every Nato member has caurrage to face Russian bear
the pilots from land where IKARUS was born are not that easy (according to nato statistics but you perhaps know that sir). all pilots and specially fighterpilots are wearing ikarus wings.
From your explanation of "SIM" it would make sense that the TK Vipers began that way, seeing as both counties are NATO allies. Adversarial as states, but neither looking to rock that boat by shooting down an "ally".
Greece is jealous it's glory days parished with the roman empire. Meanwhile, Turkey is getting all the action above and below the blankets all over their borders. Greek F-16s are virgins compared to Turkish Falcons.
If it is reasonable using SIM and considering it a safe fight with no worry of being shot just by the fact that we are both NATO members there wouldn't be a fight at first place. Don't you agree? (No hate ❤️)
Thank you for the video analysis Mover. The problems between Greece and Turkey and their disputes are well known. They usually do not fire on each other, as this would mean a clear declaration of war (there have been a couple of notable exceptions), although they try to get a lock on each other or outmaneuver each other sometimes in a dangerous manner that could lead to accidents due to human failure or stress on the jets themselves. It is a form of diplomacy. What you can see in this video edit is actually a fusion of not one but various HAF and THK dogfights that took place between Greek and Turkish fighter jets not over the Aegean but most probably over the Mediterranean (in the region east of Crete and west of Cyprus). Usually HAF Mirages and vipers intercept THK F-16s over the Aegean as the THK daily conducts overflights over the Greek Aegean islands. Specifically this compilation is from footage pertaining to dogfights that took place in a number of instances since 2017 over the Eastern Mediterranean when HAF jets were returning from Cyprus after they flew there in order to participate in the celebration of the Cypriot Independence day or in order to take part in bilateral military exercises with the Cypriot National Guard and/or the IAF. As Turkiye tries to prevent any flights of HAF planes flying to Cyprus due to their terittorial claims they would attempt to prevent the HAF jets from reaching Cyprus. That would be considered a THK success. They fail however on all counts as the HAF vipers always have managed thus far to reach Cyprus undetected. At some points during their flights to Cyprus HAF vipers have to fly at 500 ft or less to evade detection East of Crete or fly during specific times of day when Turkish radars are not switched on. This footage is most probably taken from some of these run-ins during the return flights of the HAF F-16s from Cyprus to Suda base.
That "multicolor" thing is likely from whatever video recording system they use on their F-16 (looks like interlacing gone a bit nuts), or just good ol' chromatic aberration from the lenses. As high-tech as the F-16 is, I doubt they're putting in super achromatic rare-earth glass elements hand-ground by some German dude in the HUD camera.
Hi there! This video is a little bit old, is from a Greek F16 and is a dogfight on Aegean ( greek airspace) and not at Cyprus airspace, the front fighter jet is the Turkish fighter jet, the Greek fighter jets went to Cyprus airspace more than 4 times and the Turkish Air Force never sow up because when they see the Greek f16 was already to late. The biggest point is greek and Turkish people we don’t have any problems.
I have learned so much from mover. I'm trying to become a pilot. I served in the army. My gi bill will pay for flight training. However, I have to get my private pilots license first. I work every day trying to get money saved up. I just can't do it. I'm taking care of my sick mother and I will continue to do it even if it means giving up my dream.
Absolutely wrong he did not pick up that this was Turkish van Turkish and you could Google that this was fake because the next day it came out that it was Turkish on Turkish the Greeks always wipe the floor with the Turkish pilots and they always win the best Pilots aboard how did he get fooled everybody in the International Community was embarrassed by this
As for the SIM mode, I am pretty sure both sides have agreed to be on SIM mode for these dogfights. They usually get tense and you never know when a pilot loses his comfort and presses the trigger and then start a war out of nowhere. Everytime greek aircrafts intercept incoming jets they are in SIM mode. Almost every day for the past years dogfights take place over the angean. Unless our radars detect 20-40+ turkish jets coming at us at the same time, we will probably stay in SIM mode and just do the usual stuff. Its sad that our pilots have to go through this shit every day.
bluerex03 I also worked on them at Kunsan 81-83. Was an electrician. 80-81 at McDill before going to Korea. Worked on F-15’s at Langley 76-80. I personally preferred the F-15 because they were easier to troubleshoot but they broke more than the F-16. Went all over the Pacific fixing F-16’s . I got lots of TDY because of it. Funny, we never called them Vipers though. Good for you dude for your Air Force time. Wouldn’t trade mine for anything.
@@robertlassiter5808 ...and the A-10 Thunderbolt II isn't actually a "Warthog", right? They're just nicknames - hence why some saying they called every F16 a 'viper' while others are saying that they never heard that during their time; different times, different places.
You are not objective. You talk about positive aspects of greek air force when their video is on the air. But when Turkish Airforce is superior in a dogfight you say that it is not a serious case.
Oh, I had wondered how it got nicknamed the Viper. The official name from General Dynamics was "Fighting Falcon". Falcon's are awesome - fst and agile hunters, I wonder why that just wasn't kept.
These Greek f16 were sent to divert attention from the dozen other Greek f16 unhindered to and from Cyprus. They were there to keep the Turkish jets occupied.
@@oghuzkhan5117 the mission was VID and he says result of VID intercept is 2 long 2 short 2 drop tanks and block 52+. It has nothing to do with SIM. The mission was to visually identify and report.
@@Meticusmaxim 'the mission was VID' do you even know what VID means? visual identification. The mission was not to visual identify them the mision was to prevent them entering our announced NAVTEX area. annasini ziktigim
@@oghuzkhan5117 The pilot definitely did not use "two long two short" to describe his shooting pattern. As said, he was reporting on the other F-16's armament. VID is not the primary mission but it is always a standard part of it.
@@castirtroy Videonun başlığı; Akdeniz Üstündeki İt Dalaşı Sahte mi? Videonun gerçek olmadığı yönünde iddalar olduğunu söylüyor. Bu sebeple videoyu beraber, tarafsızca inceleyelim diyor. Önce başüstü ekrandaki sembollerin anlamlarını açıklıyor. Kendisi de eski bir pilot. İddalar: 1) Görüntülerin kesintisiz, tek bir video olmadığını söyleyenler var diyor; Evet doğru birkaç video kesilip birleştirilmiş ama bunun bir kanıt olmadığını, Türklerin güvenlik gerekçesiyle yada taktiklerinin anlaşılmaması için de bunu yapmış olabileceklerini söylüyor. 2) Uçak kamuflajlarına bakarak, farklı renkte boyalı f16 lar var bunlar Yunan uçağı değil diyenler var; Görüntü çözünürlükleri çok kötü, ayrıca ışık oyunlarıda var biryerde mavi gözüken uçak başka bir karede kızıl gözükebiliyor diyor buda bize birşey vermez diyor. 3) Bu gerçek bir it dalaşı ise uçak neden SIM ( Simulation Mode )simülasyon modda diyenler var; Bunda haklılık payı olabilir diyor.SIM mod eğitimlerde kullanılır.Zira engelleme yapmaya gidiyorsanız, durumun her an gerçek çatışmaya dönme ihtimali vardır ve SIM modda silahlarınızı ateşleyemezsiniz diyor. 4) Bu görüntüler Türklerin eğitim uçuşundan olduğunu ve bu yüzden SIM modda olduklarını söyleyenler var; Videoda her iki tarafta keskin manevralar yapmıyor, agresif değil gibiler, bu bir it dalaşından çok bir engelleme uçuşu gibi o yüzden de SIM de olabilirler diyor. Yine amaç direkt saldırmak olmadığından ve yine aslında iki tarafta aslında savaş başlatmak istemediğinden de SIM modda olabilirler diyor. Sonuç olarak ortada birleştirilmiş bir video var ama bu sahtedir yada değildir diyebileceğimiz bir kanıtımız yok. Yorumlardan da anladığımız Türk vs Yunan tarafı birbirlerini iyi tanıyorlar ve zaten hep SIM moda dırlar.Aksi durum gerçek bir çatışmaya vara bilir. SIM mode pilotun refleks olarak silahları ateşlemesini de önler.
Love the breakdown and hearing your perspective on these type of encounters! Any thoughts on doing one on intercepts / encounters where US fighters interact with Russian Tu-142s, Tu-95, etc.. or the other way around with encounters like the recent B-52 and Russian Flankers?
Fake? Why would it be fake? Both sides have tons of footage like this. These engagements happen nearly every day. Claims based on HUD symbols like "SIM" and "FUEL" are also funny. They know nothing about F-16 systems or they lying on purpose .
Turkey threat Greece. They invaded in Cyprus 1974 . For 40 years Turkish aircrafts almost every day invate in greek air space. Turkish ship tried to hit greek ship Turkish jet fighters thirty years ago fly near a small aircraft of Olympic airways They used his ships to make research in Aegean sea in 70s 80 s and now In 1987 and 1996 they threat woth war in Greece. They sent soldiers in greek island imia in 1996 For many years all turkish government and Turkish generals threat Greece with war . They destroyed homes and stores of greek people who lived in Constantinople in 50s. They want greek islands in Aegean sea Erdogan is a dictator in his country They only words in his speeches are war and threats. He threats Greece and Cyprus and acuses France Russia European union Erdogan helped Isis with money and guns Erdogan invate in Syria and lybia He is sending in greek Islands thousand mouslims for Africa and Asian in order to change the population in these greek islands Turkey and Erdogan send mouslims and Isis fighters in Greece and many of them go to Europe. And all these years the civilized world like in Europe union UK , Germany , USA and now Russia support Turkey not Greece. All greek citizens know very good that they are alone and they have not allies in european Union and NATO. NATO allies does not exist for Greece Usa UK and now Russia and Germany support the criminal not the victim. Greece has no border with countries like Switzerland Filand Belgium Holland. Greece has Turkey. This the reason that Greece take so many tanks, modern submarines ships, missles and modern jet fighters. When your neighbor are threating you to invate in your home and you have no support they only way is to defence. It is the only solution to protect your life and your family Sorry for my bad English
@@user-vp4tz8ij3y hey dude, i live in istanbul and i am a turkish guy who has greek and armenian friends, that you write about is same for turkish side because they call it war, but we have same culture same kitchen same air same land same people you can believe and see, the only and only difference is religion man, ok just understand that politicians use that very well
Funniest part is that they're both NATO members. First thing they did at the end of the Cold War was go back to antagonizing each other. Between the Greek bankruptcy and the Turkish assistance to ISIS, I genuinely don't care what they do to each other.
At the start, the Turkish Ministry of Defence claims that Greece's 6 Vipers were detected, intercepted and removed from the area. In reality, those 6 F-16s reached Cyprus undetected and proceeded to train with French Rafales. During their departure, the TuAF tried to intercept them, but the HAF had already sent a flight of their own to intercept those Turkish Vipers. With the amount of propaganda that comes out of Turkey every day, I wouldn't be surprised if this was fake.
As you say "the area" is the NAVTEX area of Oruç Reis. The mission was to prevent Greeks entering it, not reaching to Cyprus. And the Greeks in the video looks obeying to Turkish push towards where they are going (probably to Cyprus). So they are not aggressive as you claim them counter-interceptors to be.
That is probably true for the Turkish side, but both sides' stories still don't match, as the Greeks claim that their jets reached Cyprus undisturbed. Also, if these are the 6 HAF Vipers, as Turkey claims, it would make sense for them not to maneuver too violently, as they were likely not loaded for an interception task, unlike the jets that the HAF sent to protect them.
In future videos, it might be helpful to use some kind of mouse identifier (which should be built into Windows) when you are pointing specific things out, like air speed, altitude, etc, etc. Awesome video otherwise!
In terms of general capabilities, from biggest to smallest thing, the biggest organization in the world measuring military prowess and professionalism, place the Greek Navy in 8th and the Greek Airforce 5th in the world. The Turkish are way below, embarrassing even to mention the position. Moreover, in international airshows, Greek pilots always excel. Turkish pilots only try to avoid embarrassing themselves. What I said here, it's not my words, my humble opinion. It's facts. In 1996, our NAVY came too close in conflict with the Turkish NAVY. Our Admirals couldn't believe how stupidly bad Turks were positioning their ships. The Greeks were waiting the "OK" by the Government. When eventually the permission did not come, they were pulling their hairs out. Turks would have no NAVY today. As it happened few decades before. One Ship of ours only, ruled the Aegean and Turks were requesting permission to enter in Aegean Sea. Back to 1996 again in another instance, our Ships located their Submarines. We wouldn't let them come out on the surface for air. After 3 days, we did let them. Turks went back and were jailed! Because they said "Greeks are too good in Sea Affairs, we can't do nothing to them", officially sighting "Dereliction of Duty" as the reason! Turkish officers themselves made the event known much later. Meanwhile, to this day, they still try to locate unsuccessfully our own Submarines.
Yes bro, you are right, it is not your opinion and the biggest organisations say that Greeks are better than Turkish at sea, air etc. So would like to tell me about Greek army's previous war experiences?
Why anyone would get torqued over calling it the viper is beyond me. I was a maintainer through most of the 90s when we were still operating vipers in the block 30s. It's always been the viper.
It is funny how people on Twitter seem to have more "expertise" on these topics than the actual experts. The guy claiming that "SIM" was "simulation" clearly thought that this was some sort of computer simulation.
It's not fake because it was published officially at Turkish Ministry of National Defense website. In fact it happens a lot - last time one of the Greeks crashed into the water after being chased by the Turks.
@@gurzbey8284 It's not fake bc it was posted by a government known for spreading propaganda. You guys believe that we are shooting at the illegal immigrants you forced to come here. Also what are you in about. Yes there were times when even the Greek piloted crashed but I'm sure that in the incident you are reffering it was the Turkish pilot who crashed. Anyway, wanna hear something funnier? One of your submarines a type 214 and it's captain surrendered recently too because a Greek helicopter was "bombing" them with high frequency sonar wavelengths making the captain think he was actually being bombed lmfao
the pilot flies his plane...permission to shoot belongs to political authority...the pilot cannot "MASTER ARM ON" without permission...in your countries, is this kind of work done according to the pilot's opinion?...if the order is given, the pilot will shoot...it's that simple...but now "that order" has been given to all Turkish Armed Forces...now, there's no need for too much interpretation...with the smallest mistake the Greek side will make, you will understand whether this video is real or false...here, then you will see that the switch is in ARM, not SIM...I've read almost all the comments... you believed in ridiculous things...like fuel, altitude, or the color of the plane...how did you make a connection between the fuel level and the reality of the video?..TURAF's F-16s are close enough to the country to return to their bases, even if they are under 1,000 lb of fuel...also, it is clear in the video that even the clouds in the air appear red because of the sun...turaf aircraft note information about all Greek aircraft, such as aircraft type, weapons inventory and tail number...For example," 2 short, 2 Long, " says the pilot...what this means is that: he names it according to the range of the missile...short means short range (sidewinder), long means long range (AMRAAM)...he notes the weapons of Greek aircraft in type and quantity and reports them to the combat operations center...TURAF does not share such things...but in this case, there is a difference...our seriousness needs to be understood...the Greek side is playing with fire...let them not be stupid, Europe can no longer support them...
Normally Turkey never releases this kind of footages. Most of the time its the Greek side that releases footages for their millitary propaganda purposes. Greeks did a provocation and Turks released the footage of their provocation. Turkey doesnt need fake millitary propaganda. They are to powerful for that and everybody knows that Turks are serious. Calling this fake is a childish act.
The intercept described took place while the planes were returning to Greece from Cyprus. One wonders why the disinformation from the Turkish sources. Could it be because they are embarrassed that they did not detect the planes when they went to Cyprus?
I've been watching videos comparing the two forces (the Turks and the greeks) for a couple of days now. What's amazing is that in the comment section of those videos the most liked and commented comment always is the one that Greek expressing respect and love for the Turks or a Turk expressing love and respect for the greeks and trash-talking about the politicians of both countries.
Well they are burning Turkish flag left and right
You know, Turks and Greeks and Kurds and Arabs lived for 1000 years together in and around Anatolia. And all this time sultans, emperors, marshal turned politicians, religious fundementalists and traitor high ranking officers who sold their country FUCKED THESE PEOPLE OVER AND OVER. Why you invade from Izmir to Ankara (650 fucking kilometers deep) if Sevre Treaty says that Greeks can defend Greek people in Ottoman Izmir? Why when English leaves Greek Cypriots can kill Turkish Cypriots just to clain the whole island for themselves to join Greece? Why now thousands of little islands given to Greece by Italy (as they were meant to be returned back to Turkey) gives Greece the authortiy to control whole eastern Mediterranean? Why Europe, France especialy (since England is not Europe now) backes Greece to do this shit like England backed Greece back then? Can you see a connection here? Turks conquered Greece in the 14th and 15th centuries. Greece is trying that in the 20th and 21st centuries. For the mere people, how can I hate my neighbour? I would die to defend them right? So again and again just for the will of Europe, Russia, US, Greece wants to fight with Turkey 3rd time in a row.
Because the all area have Turkey now before was Greece. For this reason all the acient buildings, theatre they have greeks inscriptions. Everybody now how many genocides you make to take this place. Armenians, Greeks Assyrian and Kurdish
Politicians start the wars but the soldiers die.....
Please keep your respect if you’re going to debate with someone you never saw and never will on the internet, because you can’t change someone’s deep political thoughts, especially when you don’t even know them. In the end we all used to live together, Turkey might have invaded Greece illegally, but what about the things the Greeks did to Turkish civilians? See, there’s no end to this, it’s war, what did you expect?
Rules of Engagement. No side wants to be the one who starts the war. So they are following the engagement rules.
While serving with the British Army, I spent about two and a half years stationed in Cyprus. During my time there, I was aware of SIX separate incidents of weapons fire across "The Green Line".
"The Green Line" is how the British Army referred to the UN controlled border between Turkish Northern Cyprus and Greek Southern Cyprus. These incidents always caused tensions to spike and the threat level to be raised.
Cyprus is a hotly contested issue between both Turkey and Greece, and both sides are more than willing to trade fire, even if it is against the rules of engagement.
@@davebeattie9573 Where did u serve? My cousin was posted in kyrenia. Also he was mention about incidents about shooting both sides but not in lethal way.
@@50caliberr After basic and trade training in the UK, I was posted to Germany (Gutersloh), Cyprus (Episkopi and Troodos) and then back to Germany (Bruggen). Never got to go to the Northern (Turkish controlled) side of Cyprus, as it is technically not recognized as a legitimate state and as a serving soldier, it was forbidden.
As I was serving in the last years of the Cold War, Cyprus was always considered as a "holiday posting", in that you weren't on the lines against the Warsaw Pact. Yet in Germany there was always an understanding that because both sides had the power to wipe out all life on the planet many times over that there would never be an actual conflict, as the political leaders of both sides knew that any conflict between them wouldn't remain conventional for long. This meant that no matter how problematic things got, you always felt sure that a fight wouldn't happen. It was a common thought among those I served with, that these tension increases were actually done deliberately to justify/increase defense spending.
The situation in Cyprus was always a precarious one. Each time there was an exchange of fire across the Green Line, there was a very real sense that this would result in a renewal of the conflict. Of the six incidents I was aware of, two resulted in casualties with one of those being fatal. The UN peace keepers along the Green Line had little chance of stopping either side if things degenerated in to all out war, and this would see the UK plunged into yet another war, due to the UK having two Sovereign Base Areas in the Greek controlled side, and they are technically UK sovereign territory. This feeling of impending conflict felt heightened as neither side had the fear of global extermination to worry about, as they were both in NATO, and NATO wouldn't use nukes on their own allies.
@@davebeattie9573 I feel you in the same way. But current conflict seems only occur to regional sea battle or conflicts. I don't expect a war or something.. I think both sides wont got into a full scale combat. Both country economies are not suspend long orientated conflict. Nato should take a part in both sides to erase that anticipation in aegean sea. If it may be happens, greece and turkey must become partners in aegean waters to find natural hydro carbon based resources.
Dave Beattie Correction: The south is The Republic of Cyprus which is the legitimate government of the island and internationally recognized, not “Greek Southern Cyprus”. There is no “Turkish Northern Cyprus”, but there is a puppet state in the northern Turkish occupied portion of the island which is recognized by no other country except the illegally occupying power, ie Turkey.
Two short = 2 AIM-9 Sidewinder , two long= 2 AIM-120 AMRAAM
@@bannedone3ice138 it’s probably not in us airforce thing. In Turkish it is “ iki uzun iki kısa” wich you can use for almost anything
If you guys stilleri Wonder after 2years it means 2mid/short range lock 2long range lock
@@sametaltuntas8998 ne mid long range locku kardeş füzeyle alakalı sadece kilitin ne alakası var
""TANGO-1 NEVER DIES""......
tatbikatta yeni teğmenler defalarca vurmasına rağmen tango - 1 in kabul etmemesi üzerine geyiği yapılan bir söz
@@gereksizyorumcu3075 ayhan abiyi izle o anlatsın olayı
@@gereksizyorumcu3075 adın gibi harbi gereksiz Bi insansın. Öğrende gel
@Erencan Ayhan ne gereksiz bir yorum yapmışsın
@Erencan Ayhan sende türkiyenin karanlık gerçeğisin
It’s too close for guns. I’m switching to knives.
Japanese WW2 pilot be like: BANZAAIIII!!!!!
Its too fake
Typical FPS Mentality ;)
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take your covidmask off and breathe on him
Thanks for the review. Was looking forward to your take on this. I think both air forces agreed to fly on SIM mode for some time. I know for a while both parties agreed to disarm their patrol flights but that might be a thing of the past now.
Adamın dediklerini anlamadım dostum ben gerçek mi diyor sahte mi diyor sen anladın mı?
@@a.n.o.n.i.m. Speak English.
first last, ok, fuck off
@@tuncayardaemir5026 Aww, too stupid to speak English? That's sad.
first last Americans can speak english so, the ability to speak english doesn’t make you smart
As Turks we have no problem with Greek people. They re our neighbour. Wish we could get along better but politicians never stop fighting. How sad....
Yes my friend but we choose our politicians so we have a blame too
@@pavlosdimitriou9647 not sure how your selections are. But here in Turkey selection rules can lead a party to win the selection with 30s precent void. So this is exacly what happened in here. This winner party also has a religist idendty which never happened before in republic of Turkeys history. Hope you can see the problem. So the idea of "we also have responsible with it" is not always as it looks .
@@In-rf3vl just imagine how powerful we would both be if we were close friends and we were working together
@@rellosapostolos2266 won't happen for the same reason as it would be logically the right choice ..too many common interest in the Region. Both Countries are economical not in the best Shape and both need rescources to spurt that groth.
That and you have players in the background that would benefit if Turkey and Greek would go to WAR
@@rellosapostolos2266 exacly my friend.
Bir Türk pilot atasözü der ki : "Öndekine çakabilirim" 😀
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hahahah :) Bir türk atasözü der ki: "Alayına Gider"
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Your time will come bastards! better get up and start running 🇬🇷🇬🇷🇦🇺🇦🇺
ChrisTheDud3 I wish the time comes son of the bitch. We already respect this. Sign up for swimming course because will be needed😡🇹🇷💪
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0:00 Turkish F-16 vs Greek F-16
0:07 Situation
0:52 Intro
2:22 Play Through Reaction
4:38 Analysis/Breakdown
14:01 Is it REAL or FAKE?
21:30 Closing
@@alaric_3015 me to outdated RUclips
That was real dog fight
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A ticket to go heaven is coming from this comment :)
Real or not it’s always nice to hear a professional point of view and not the usual bs from people who have only seen fighters in films
You are right.
You question its reality because you greeks get recked.
In TurAF terminology the term "Long" (Uzun) means Long Range AA missile and "Short" (Kısa) is for Short Range AA missile. So Hellenic Viper is armed with 2 AIM-120 and 2 AIM-9 according to Turkish pilot...
The Greek vipers went to Cyprus undetected and in their return flight to Crete the Turkish vipers that were searching for them were intercepted by other Greek vipers from Crete.One of the Turkish viper returned due to fuel shortage..The cut of scenes and the fact that vipers with CFT exist also in tuaf it is a video with Turkish f-16 that train eachother...
I wasn't aware Turkish F-16s were upgraded to Vioers
Turkish aren’t viper
Some grams turned to viper recently
13:38 two long two short means two aim-120's and two aim-9's
Video da genel anlamda ne diyor ?
@@OktayYalçın12 uzun uzun görüntülerin sahte olup olmadığını tartışıyor... Sonuçta kesin birsey söyleyemem diyor
@Jonas Savimbi Yunanlılar görüntülerin fake olduğunu ve diğer uçaklarında türk f16sı olduğunu ve eğitim yaptıklarını iddia ettiği için böyle bir açıklama getirmiş ve kesinlikle ayıramadığını söylemiş.
@Jonas Savimbi what is that suppose to mean?
wishmaster6 it means:
DEUS VULT
THEOS VOULETAI
Thanks! 👋
I'd think "SIM" mode would be an extra layer of safety to prevent an international incident. When you're not engaged in hostilities with any other countries, and you see a handful of aircraft coming toward you, it's almost certainly going to be just a probe of your defenses or diplomatic-directed show of aggression with no intent to actually engage (e.g. what US and Russia do a lot). It's also why they never pulled the trigger, another layer of safety (but in case they did out of instinct, SIM mode would still prevent anything).
Yeah, I would suspect it's a protocol created by their ROE, where they need HQ clearance to come off of SIM mode.
no, it's a training aid that allows you to use the weapons sensors, display fully and press pickle to ensure all the valid sequences for a valid weapon release are followed. Everything is training, even if it's a live intercept, it's training, so SIM seems absolutley valid, although, it does give away the mental state of the pilot and he doesnt seem stressed or under threat.
as a turk with greek friends i 100% agree us turkish military has a rule that we can NEVER ever shoot greek aircraft unless they break this rule first
same thing goes for greece we all dogfight on sim mode because we don't want to shoot each other we just want the other person to get out of there with no war starting
greek people are nice ngl and politics kinda just separates us two people of two different countries and us dogfighting like this also trains both pilots of the countries aswell
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Things are much more complicated than that. First of all what you call a diplomatic show of aggression is not just a perception addressed to the military. Furthermore it has specific name and agenda. Such agenda finds a convenient audience to the hole population of countries with emerging economies that provided a lot of weaponry but fragile enough to keep enormous inflation. Countries with mass population, controlled media and regulated by tight laws of criticism. Countries with a twisted perception of their "vital space" and "interests throughout three continents". Countries with a proven history and present of disregard to international law. Countries with leadership and people with absolute belief in the law of the mightest embedded to their perception of solving differences. Countries with alliances with dictators and invaders, very recent ones. Countries that of course have very low standards of democracy, eternal leaders (or Sultans) making fortunes and palaces on the public treasury, with the highest percentage of imprisoned journalists, judges, officers, teachers and so on, than any other country in the world under charges of "insulting the President" or "anti-countrysname-ism". Which is this country needs no introduction. You just have to listen its President in the G20 summit in Indonesia declaring in front of the international Press that, "coming one night" ,meaning invading to the neighboring country, is his country official dogma or " 2 or 3 persons are not sitting tight" meaning the other country 's Prime minister and minister of Foreign Affairs, as if they are some kind of public clerks of the smallest province of his country, are not behaving the way he wants. This country's officials speaks of the other country 's people as "low life's bastards that need to take swim lessons" (sic: President Erdogan speaking of the Greek people in recent public speech), showing maps with half his neighbour territory as his own. It seems surreal but yes, such a President and surrounding political establishment is a neighbor to Europe.The daily overflights of Greek soil is just another piece of the puzzle in Turkey's hostility that finally aims to militarily invade (under her very own statements besides the true indications) and anex half of the Greek islands because "they are too close and roosters can be heard to us" ( actual claim of President Erdogan during public speech). There was a thought to slaughter the roosters in Greek islands but then we thought that warms would bother him also; apart from the difficulty of the task to extinct warms we find it improper to deprive mr. Erdogan of his perfect match in case he ever made it to our islands. Feel free to educate yourself on the extremities and daily provocations of Turkey 🦃 that led her under the scorn of Germany and US, her most solid allies till recently.
American airplane vs American airplane..Who is the winner?Americans.Why?They give airplanes to some countries and they laugh because these airplanes fight each other.
Some countries make their own version of it.
You own the plane when it’s running a us software. In this case Greece is still using a US software but Turkey isn’t. So turkey can use the bombs that they make but on the other hand Greece is depended on US bombs
That island is Greece
you handicapped Turkey 🦃🦃
Borders are borders.
If you don’t like them you can go back 10-20 generations somewhere between Mongolia and Persia.... Seljuk Turk
@@georgepapias7726 Mr Papias we dont want to back to Asia. There is not such as a force on earth you know. Maybe we want to take back Selanik. Please save there strongly. Last thing. You are a very ancient civilization. While decades centuries central and northern European folks clean asses with stone, you established city countries. Dont go behind them please.
@@dreamofsomeyoungguy9883 Bullshit..
Those "turkish" f16s are armed with aim 9s and aim 120s..
I notice every fighter pilots have a pair of a very sharp eyes.. They were trained to look and process informations without moving much of their head.. Look at the way Mover move his eyes 👀 Real classy and mad respect ✊
3:11 Turkish Pilot says: " i can hit the one in the front.
Doesn’t say that u clearly haven’t watched clearly 😂🤦🏻♂️
@@yunus3435 Öndekine çakabilirim ne demek
@@yunus3435 mal mısın yunus sen
Adam önümde olan yunan f 16 vurabilir diyor ,komutanına soruyor vurayım mı diye , ulan var ya senin gibi mal çok bu ülkede yunus
It is more like in the lines of "I can nail the one on the front". A bit more sensation and excitement. :)
çakabilirim means fuck. i can fuck the one in the front
As a kid, looked forward to Fridays because it was the last day of school for the week.
As an adult, look forward to Monday because of "Mondays with Mover".
Well done 👍 Turkish Air Force 👏👏👏 greeting from USA 🇺🇸
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Give them the f16s then if u love them
When I'd been in Dikili/ Izmir on last summer, I eyewitnessed dog fight. Two country occasionally do this at the Egea Sea. I think it is a military exercise for both side.
no, in this case, the greek pilot was about to enter turkish airspace
@@Mertcan_atasoy he mean it this,not 4real his joking
@@Mertcan_atasoy what turkish airspace lies between crete and Cyprus? you guys are living in your own fantasy world wtf.
@@SteliosE92 LTBB South and LTAA South. YOU are the one living in a fantasy world.
@@fentom4763 If i was living in a fantasy world I would try to make a country out of thin air in an occupied zone. You are full of shit. You are saying for a flight between crete and Cyprus, greek forces went 300KM out of their way, over land, just to mess with you. Please stop embarrassing yourself any more.
2 short, 2 long mean is
Short: aim 9
Long: aim 120
ömer can kılıç Long AMRAAM değil mi?
@@sava_e6369 video da ne diyor kısaca açıklarmısın ?
@@sava_e6369 evet
@@sava_e6369 aynı şey
Ne diyorlar video hakkında hocam,İngilizcem zayıf da.2 cümle özet geçer misin
The best way to start your morning is with a big cup of coffee and Mover breaking down dogfights!
From 🇸🇴 turkey is my brother 😋🙌🇹🇷💪
Please stay there 🤣
Two long, two short... They are talking about the type of missiles they are carrying.
it means greek viper has 2 aim120s and 2 aim9s and drop tank
@@omurozyurt4385 I carry only one long for greek viper :DDDD
@@BlueWolf1399 dont have any exprience about flying with that jets but its what he said. if you know what they cant see so its
Thanks for the very professional brake down of the clip without getting in to the politics of it..wish more people could do analyses like you are doeing withour getting emotionally involved.
Waiting to see him review the Russian SU27 do an “unprofessional” intercept of a USAF B52
I wanted to say the same.
Really want a "F-16 dodging 6 Iraqi SAM launches on Jan 19 1991" reaction
If someone in a combat aircraft pulled across your nose while you were flying in your airliner with no warning, 100 feet away, you wouldn't view that as unprofessional?
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@@Fox-One1937 not really dumbass
The Turks will invent everything to boost their pilots morale. In the meantime they do not have a chance compared to the Hellenic Airforce Pilots.
As a veteran, if you see nothing to tag the video as fake, then it's not fake. You probably didn't want to offend anyone, that's why you're saying you are not sure.
I've been waiting for you to make a video on this since I saw the original clip (hud footage) posted.
Same, saw it on warleaks
Me too thanks
Me too...👍🏼
I wasn't waiting him to make a video about the Turkish propaganda
Cool video as usual, Mover! Interesting hud footage for sure but yeah, this was as you said a pretty benign event and spliced, so I don't understand why everyone was super excited when the footage came out. Can't wait for the interview coming up!
We have never forgotten our Greek friends who came running in our most difficult times during the 1999 earthquake. Nobody wants to harm the property of the Greek people and themselves.
Yes this is true ❤
Leave the demogogy!
They are the ones who violate our rights and refrain from diplomacy!
I remember that time, I cried watching the news when they found a child alive, I think the fireman was crying too.
The head of the Greek pair says at 3:25 "pame separation gia Rhodo" which means let's go separation towards the Greek island of Rhodes. Typically this means the end of the interception of the Turkish fighters because of fuel. Happens regularly. That explains why the Greek fighter is not manoeuvering aggressively and abandons after a few seconds.
Greeko is nothing excuse is everthing😂
Yes hellenico Air force does not have any tanker airplane😭
@@serdarbay8760 I don't understand what you are saying and honestly, I don't care. Greece has enough planes to whip your ass.
Greeks are very Mad at this
@@serdarbay8760 it’s a fake video even if it was real when a F16 carried extra fuel and when the F16 doesn’t try to fight back it proved that it’s either false or Greek f-16 didn’t care most importantly it’s fake if it was dogfight there would be speaking English you sure go to the airforce before you speak
Great video again Mover, hello from Valparaíso, Chile
the turkish f16s have also been modernized and the pilots are very good
And very old .
Turkish F-16 pilots is very old . Many many times in air fight . Has problems in Fuel .
Greece have many island with airport and F-16 . Greek pilot don't have problem in Fuels.
@@valiaxristaki4717 it doesn't matter they are still fast and well turkey has modernized them
@@valiaxristaki4717 the f16 has still proven itself well so far
@@valiaxristaki4717 the f16 is still a fighter
Thanks for the explaination of HUD symbologies and their meaning
Interesting informantion: "According to reliable sources, this is the pair of F-16s that had taken off for a distraction from Kastelli, Crete, which "pulled" the Turks on them, managing to drag them into a contentless air battle and the 6th group to return without even perceive them again. In the images officially released by Turkey, the Turkish F16s seem to be "locking" a Greek F-16 in an air battle in an area very south of Kastellorizo. Although there are no features that determine the download time, it is nevertheless considered "authentic"."
Also the pilot couldn't or didn't try to get a steady gun track. The defensive guy didn't maneuver hard either.
So true. Turkish propaganda at its worst.
Makis Koletsis propaganda?? Cry.
@@makiskoletsis8414 my dude both countries constantly make propaganda thats not a issiuw
The Greek Tear Her Ass To Escape.
@Nikos papadopoylos Not Turks. Turkish goverment. Pathetic!!!
Almost every day this type of so called dog fights happen between TUAF and HAF. Always videos will be released like this in one side and then the other. On defensive side pilots doesnt want to make too much agressive manuevers just in case it can get too hot too quickly. Same as offensive side, thats why they are in sim mode ı think. Its just daily routine for them imo. More interesting thing is except for the extreme nationalists both Turkish and Greek people actually getting along no problem. Its the conflict between ruling goverments not the people.
Very true
i believe that turkish people are fed lies and that erdogan is a big idiot for demanding from us. The lausanne treaty says no to them. Anyone who believes that turkey owns our sea is a fool.
@@nikosnas2184 I belive Who believes greak sea such a idiot
@@nikosnas2184 Do not delay the last installment to Germany.
@-Hyper Tell that to warship "AVEROF" aka "seitan papor" or to frigate LIMNOS
two long two short isnt that like short range aim 9 and maybe long range aim120? something like that ?
yes , definetly
no 2 jets had 2 drop tanks, and the other jets didn't .
so all 4 had conformal tanks, but only 2 had drop tanks. this is so the jets without the external tanks can maneuver better. they were the escorts
Exactly, we don't know like he said.
@@seinfeld11123 wrong.
exactly. Two long range missiles (probably Amraam 120s) , and two short range heat seeking missiles, probably Aim 9 or Iris which the Hellenic airforce has both)
It is clearly has been shot on sunset.You can see some clouds on orange hue.Video is not fake.It is cool that Turaf intercept on sim mode.Big applause for those gentlemans.This training kind of dogfights has become a tradition between Hellenic and Turkish airforce.It is like sports match and it is good for training.We have become each others aggressors.
Mark my words: that's a turkish pilot practicing with a pakistani pilot.
Turkey "imports" pakistani pilots as far too many turkish pilots either have been forced to leave taf, or are imprisoned.
What the hell are you talking about?
@@nissangtrnismo512 The turkish president mr Erdogan and his regime kicked off the TAF many(!) pilots and imprisoned many others both high rank officers and pilots, for supposedly being supporters of an imam named Gulen (Erdogan's ex-adviser and mentor), currently living in the US, who mr Erdogan holds responsible for the 2016 coup. Responsible or not, currently TAF is out of personel and came to an agreement with the Pakistanis to at least temporarily fill some of these needs.
The aviator badge of the Pakistani pilots depict the flags of Pakistan and of Turkey as _"brothers in arms"._
Besides the above, Turkey the last years is increasingly being blocked from purchasing both new military equipment and spare parts for its needs. In particular, the last many years, the US stopped providing spare parts and of course upgrades for the turkish F16s - for all military equipment whatsoever - which is TAF's only type of fighter aircraft. You understand what this means for an airforce? Τhe Pakistanis came to fill this gap as well.
This is "what the hell" I'm talking about.
It's close to impossible for a turkish pilot to find himself chasing a greek pilot, simply bcoz the turks invade the greek FIR and are being intercepted by the greeks with equal or higher number of aircrafts.
It is also very difficult for a turk pilot to find himself chasing his greek collegue, as the former are new pilots whereas the latters according to NATO (during both NATO and US international excersises) the greek pilots rank at the highest places everytime. I mean, after all, this is what they do everyday, more than 100 times a day: they intercept turkish aircrafts.
Why am I yelling at the screen “JINK”?
omg same 😂😂😂
Mover videos are the kind of videos I press like before even start watching it lol
I do the same.
Cut straight to the man's bottom line - I can see why he gave you a heart...
This is how Balkan boys have fun
Hey Mover thanx again for taking the time to dive (a little bit) into the ongoing Greek - Turkish little cold war maneuvers. As I said in the previous HAF Mirage vs TUAF F-16 vid ,as an active duty HAF NCO that daily straps the pilot into the plane and launching him into the skies , I don't particularly give much attention to such snippets from HUD videos (in my 25 years of service I have seen enough AVTR to now which is legit or not) . Please bear in mind that at this time the countries are engaged in a protracted low intensity - long duration "conflict" and things are a bit more closer than ever into spiraling down into full fledged air-naval battle ... I don't know if those were Greek fighters under Turkish sights or not and in my opinion at this point it doesn't matter . In these situations it's a little bit like sports - sometimes you lose - can't win every time . But the claim that TUAF managed to prevent HAF F-16 from reaching Cyprus is false , as it is well documented via allied sources from their participation in scheduled maneuvers with French air & naval assets in the area ... You should expect more bragging videos like this from both sides in the following days-weeks-months... just my 2 cents
you got chased away like always.
@@oghuzkhan5117 You seem confused my friend ...
@@oghuzkhan5117 read some real history and get your facts together. Turkish airforce was looking for the Greek F-16s and trying to intercept them making them to go out of fuel but they couldn't find them in anyway...
I don't think the point was to prevent greek jets from reaching cyprus. Turkish MoD stated that the greek jets were intercepted because they got close to the "NAVTEX area" in mediterranean. If i understood correctly they didn't claim that they prevented them from reaching cyprus they just said the fighters were drawn away from the area. Also i don't see a reason for MoD to release a fake footage. Like you said these types of situations happen all the time between the two countries and its not only greece who gets to "win" and release footage.
@@alperentosun5677 fair enough. I might misread the TUAF press release . It seems that both air forces had different operational goals at that day . HAF wanted to fly to Cyprus and play with the French & TUAF wanted to have an AVTR kill to save face ... Both won (or loose which-ever you want) . But this childish play "I beat you - You beat me" is unbecoming of a professional fighting force member of a huge western alliance (so to speak) ....
Yeah,I think that what it is, they hate each other but not to the point to start a war.
Its more like I see you kinda of a thing.
And please,we dont need another war ...
It's not the hate of the people but rather the power battle of governments for local votes.
well it's about to happen
@@husnushepherd its the turks who think our land is theirs
Turkey invaded Cyprus in my lifetime. people have died on both sides. There has always been a conflict, this is just an extended ceasefire. And yes, Oil...
@@thebgpikester We greeks dont want the oil. Greece doesnt even have a way or the money to extract it. But it is in our waters and the turks will never touch it. Same goes with oil in cyprus.
it's on sim, it's because of good way of training the pilots. I heard about my uncle while he was a pilot in turkish airforce. They were mention about every dogfight we had with hellenic air force, we were able to practice as our skills and they did in same way too.. I hope it'll not get into battle and both sides will use their diplomacy to eager peace in region..
@Θάνος ΑλεDo you think so? You're provoking like 50 years.. And telling me provoking? You weaponized those non-military islands and talking about invading. The water perimeter only made by main lands not from islands. Do not create elements from your arse. If you want, conversation... Demilitarize islands and stop provoking borders.
Your politics is like arrogant kid... Always demanding, nothing more than that.. We didn't invade syria, we make a barricade for pyd to stop terrorist attack in domestic. And Libya, we were against to coup not to support anti-democratic movements inside the country. You're talking about invading, let's check about 12 islands issues, how did you invade there... In mid 1950's...
Also about dictatorship; We might have dictator but your country full of pussies.
@Θάνος Αλε These are island countries , you're mention about 5 miles landsquare islands or less.. If you talk about all those islands, those are not mainlands :) you dumb fuck, read about geneva sea LAW.
@Θάνος Αλε Propaganda ? That's why you expelled Dr. Hristos Rozakis from Athens University.
@Θάνος Αλε IF your country convert their limits from 6 miles to 12 miles. It's an act of war... If your country change it, your country will suffer the consequences.. Those island's airspace inside of Turkish Airspace, if it's increased to 12 mile.
Do not underestimate the Turkish pilots, they have shot down a Russian aircraft before, while the Americans have never lol
Its actually true xd
If I ask, can you delete your comment?
It makes us happier that these Greeks look down on us and don't take us seriously; As Turks, we will achieve a much easier victory.
Also thank you for your comment.
Vietnam war? lol we shot down plenty lol
You gotta be trolling me, do you know what a mig is?
Shooting down a russian jet was about pilots stregth. It was about having balls to shoot a Russian jet. Not every Nato member has caurrage to face Russian bear
the pilots from land where IKARUS was born are not that easy (according to nato statistics but you perhaps know that sir). all pilots and specially fighterpilots are wearing ikarus wings.
From your explanation of "SIM" it would make sense that the TK Vipers began that way, seeing as both counties are NATO allies. Adversarial as states, but neither looking to rock that boat by shooting down an "ally".
Well, they did once, accidentally, but still...
Greece is jealous it's glory days parished with the roman empire. Meanwhile, Turkey is getting all the action above and below the blankets all over their borders.
Greek F-16s are virgins compared to Turkish Falcons.
If it is reasonable using SIM and considering it a safe fight with no worry of being shot just by the fact that we are both NATO members there wouldn't be a fight at first place. Don't you agree? (No hate ❤️)
@@mtumeumrani376 sarcastic?
@@thouxanbanvoulwn5146 metaphorically speaking. When was the last time a Greek warplane shot down anything?
Hello. In this video presented by the Turks as Genuine, at some point the dialogue of Greek pilots is heard, which is cut short immediately
Thank you for the video analysis Mover. The problems between Greece and Turkey and their disputes are well known. They usually do not fire on each other, as this would mean a clear declaration of war (there have been a couple of notable exceptions), although they try to get a lock on each other or outmaneuver each other sometimes in a dangerous manner that could lead to accidents due to human failure or stress on the jets themselves. It is a form of diplomacy. What you can see in this video edit is actually a fusion of not one but various HAF and THK dogfights that took place between Greek and Turkish fighter jets not over the Aegean but most probably over the Mediterranean (in the region east of Crete and west of Cyprus). Usually HAF Mirages and vipers intercept THK F-16s over the Aegean as the THK daily conducts overflights over the Greek Aegean islands. Specifically this compilation is from footage pertaining to dogfights that took place in a number of instances since 2017 over the Eastern Mediterranean when HAF jets were returning from Cyprus after they flew there in order to participate in the celebration of the Cypriot Independence day or in order to take part in bilateral military exercises with the Cypriot National Guard and/or the IAF. As Turkiye tries to prevent any flights of HAF planes flying to Cyprus due to their terittorial claims they would attempt to prevent the HAF jets from reaching Cyprus. That would be considered a THK success. They fail however on all counts as the HAF vipers always have managed thus far to reach Cyprus undetected. At some points during their flights to Cyprus HAF vipers have to fly at 500 ft or less to evade detection East of Crete or fly during specific times of day when Turkish radars are not switched on. This footage is most probably taken from some of these run-ins during the return flights of the HAF F-16s from Cyprus to Suda base.
That "multicolor" thing is likely from whatever video recording system they use on their F-16 (looks like interlacing gone a bit nuts), or just good ol' chromatic aberration from the lenses. As high-tech as the F-16 is, I doubt they're putting in super achromatic rare-earth glass elements hand-ground by some German dude in the HUD camera.
Carl Zeiss glass lol
I was thinking the same. That's probably chromatic aberration.
FEINSTE WERTARBEIT MEIN FREUND
OR....The rules of engagement REQUIRE the aircraft to remain in SIM to prevent an accidental firing.
Not between greece and turkey
@@BobInGreek I'd say ESPECIALLY between Turkey and Greece, because interceptions like this happen on a daily basis on both sides.
@@canerg1151 it doesn't happy daily. Thats was in 1990s.
Hi there! This video is a little bit old, is from a Greek F16 and is a dogfight on Aegean ( greek airspace) and not at Cyprus airspace, the front fighter jet is the Turkish fighter jet, the Greek fighter jets went to Cyprus airspace more than 4 times and the Turkish Air Force never sow up because when they see the Greek f16 was already to late. The biggest point is greek and Turkish people we don’t have any problems.
I have learned so much from mover. I'm trying to become a pilot. I served in the army. My gi bill will pay for flight training. However, I have to get my private pilots license first. I work every day trying to get money saved up. I just can't do it. I'm taking care of my sick mother and I will continue to do it even if it means giving up my dream.
family first man!!!
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good work, and good luck
it still might happen for ya.... Karma works in strange ways!
All the best to you and your mother.
Great analysis as usual, never biased always neutral simple sign of a good professional pilot and a good youtuber 👍
Absolutely wrong he did not pick up that this was Turkish van Turkish and you could Google that this was fake because the next day it came out that it was Turkish on Turkish the Greeks always wipe the floor with the Turkish pilots and they always win the best Pilots aboard how did he get fooled everybody in the International Community was embarrassed by this
@@michaelharos5254 lol what an idiot
GREEK FORCE
This was excellent analysis. Thank you for this 👍👍
As for the SIM mode, I am pretty sure both sides have agreed to be on SIM mode for these dogfights. They usually get tense and you never know when a pilot loses his comfort and presses the trigger and then start a war out of nowhere. Everytime greek aircrafts intercept incoming jets they are in SIM mode. Almost every day for the past years dogfights take place over the angean. Unless our radars detect 20-40+ turkish jets coming at us at the same time, we will probably stay in SIM mode and just do the usual stuff. Its sad that our pilots have to go through this shit every day.
Looking forward to disable SIM mode.
Greek people are our brothers..it's not a lie it's a fact...but not politicians..
I worked on F-16s at Aviano & we called them Vipers (or, sometimes, the electric jet). I loved working on those aircraft
bluerex03 I also worked on them at Kunsan 81-83. Was an electrician. 80-81 at McDill before going to Korea. Worked on F-15’s at Langley 76-80. I personally preferred the F-15 because they were easier to troubleshoot but they broke more than the F-16. Went all over the Pacific fixing F-16’s . I got lots of TDY because of it. Funny, we never called them Vipers though. Good for you dude for your Air Force time. Wouldn’t trade mine for anything.
I worked F-16’s at Shaw and I never heard them called Vipers, we had Block 40 and Block 50’s. 91-95 era.
BLUEYENKO I personally don’t like the Viper thing. They were Fighting Falcons. That was their name.
@@robertlassiter5808 ...and the A-10 Thunderbolt II isn't actually a "Warthog", right?
They're just nicknames - hence why some saying they called every F16 a 'viper' while others are saying that they never heard that during their time; different times, different places.
RyTrapp0 That’s true. They called the F-111 the aardvark. I believe pilots were more apt to go for the nicknames.
3:25 "πάμε seperation για Ρόδο" subs "unintelligible"
Translation from greek: lets go seperation for Rhodes
Nope! It is Turkish and says "Anlaşıldı, devam edin."
@@TSHKKRipper amy greek speaker can clearly hear what he says im pretty sure its greek
@@tasoszonios5021 I am Turkish speaker and I am sure he is saying "Anlaşıldı, devam edin."
@@tasoszonios5021 I understand also "Anlaşıldı, devam edin." :-)
@@tasoszonios5021 και εγώ αυτό ακούω που λες
it sounds different because the Turkish military reprogrammed the f16 entirely.
You are not objective. You talk about positive aspects of greek air force when their video is on the air. But when Turkish Airforce is superior in a dogfight you say that it is not a serious case.
Once again great video Mover, nice breakdown of flight video, nice explanation of F-16 HUD. Thanks for making a great video 👍🏻.
Oh, I had wondered how it got nicknamed the Viper. The official name from General Dynamics was "Fighting Falcon". Falcon's are awesome - fst and agile hunters, I wonder why that just wasn't kept.
Planes have long had nicknames. Nobody calls a A-10 the Thunderbolt 2. Nobody calls B-52 a Stratofortress.
@@WALTERBROADDUS Good point, thanks, Walter. I guess in my mind I didn't think 'Falcon' was bad, it's still 2 syllables...LOL.
The F-16 came into production when Battlestar Galactica was on TV. The starfighters were called Vipers. The guys going F-16s loved that show.
manos filips as he said, viper has been the pilots’ name for the f-16 since the 1970’s. This is undisputed in the viper community.
@@WALTERBROADDUS yep A10 is Worthhog, B 52 is BUFF
If you look close you will see thats not a Greek plane
These Greek f16 were sent to divert attention from the dozen other Greek f16 unhindered to and from Cyprus. They were there to keep the Turkish jets occupied.
A Greek newspaper actually quoted your last video on the matter! Specifically your "They're making my Viper look bad" line
Is there a link? I'd like to see that.
Long = AMRAAM
Short = Sidewinder
The TAF pilot is verbalising what armaments he is seeing on the HAF F16.
or what he did use in SIM mode
untold history it’s what he sees after VID results
@@oghuzkhan5117 the mission was VID and he says result of VID intercept is 2 long 2 short 2 drop tanks and block 52+. It has nothing to do with SIM. The mission was to visually identify and report.
@@Meticusmaxim 'the mission was VID' do you even know what VID means? visual identification. The mission was not to visual identify them the mision was to prevent them entering our announced NAVTEX area. annasini ziktigim
@@oghuzkhan5117 The pilot definitely did not use "two long two short" to describe his shooting pattern. As said, he was reporting on the other F-16's armament. VID is not the primary mission but it is always a standard part of it.
"two long, two short" means. "two aim-120 amraam, two aim-9 sidewinder"
Bu adam nediyor süleyman bey iyi bişey mi kötü bişey mi övüyormu gömüyormu anlayamadım
@@castirtroy Videonun başlığı; Akdeniz Üstündeki İt Dalaşı Sahte mi?
Videonun gerçek olmadığı yönünde iddalar olduğunu söylüyor. Bu sebeple videoyu beraber, tarafsızca inceleyelim diyor. Önce başüstü ekrandaki sembollerin anlamlarını açıklıyor. Kendisi de eski bir pilot.
İddalar:
1) Görüntülerin kesintisiz, tek bir video olmadığını söyleyenler var diyor;
Evet doğru birkaç video kesilip birleştirilmiş ama bunun bir kanıt olmadığını, Türklerin güvenlik gerekçesiyle yada taktiklerinin anlaşılmaması için de bunu yapmış olabileceklerini söylüyor.
2) Uçak kamuflajlarına bakarak, farklı renkte boyalı f16 lar var bunlar Yunan uçağı değil diyenler var;
Görüntü çözünürlükleri çok kötü, ayrıca ışık oyunlarıda var biryerde mavi gözüken uçak başka bir karede kızıl gözükebiliyor diyor buda bize birşey vermez diyor.
3) Bu gerçek bir it dalaşı ise uçak neden SIM ( Simulation Mode )simülasyon modda diyenler var;
Bunda haklılık payı olabilir diyor.SIM mod eğitimlerde kullanılır.Zira engelleme yapmaya gidiyorsanız, durumun her an gerçek çatışmaya dönme ihtimali vardır ve SIM modda silahlarınızı ateşleyemezsiniz diyor.
4) Bu görüntüler Türklerin eğitim uçuşundan olduğunu ve bu yüzden SIM modda olduklarını söyleyenler var;
Videoda her iki tarafta keskin manevralar yapmıyor, agresif değil gibiler, bu bir it dalaşından çok bir engelleme uçuşu gibi o yüzden de SIM de olabilirler diyor. Yine amaç direkt saldırmak olmadığından ve yine aslında iki tarafta aslında savaş başlatmak istemediğinden de SIM modda olabilirler diyor.
Sonuç olarak ortada birleştirilmiş bir video var ama bu sahtedir yada değildir diyebileceğimiz bir kanıtımız yok.
Yorumlardan da anladığımız Türk vs Yunan tarafı birbirlerini iyi tanıyorlar ve zaten hep SIM moda dırlar.Aksi durum gerçek bir çatışmaya vara bilir. SIM mode pilotun refleks olarak silahları ateşlemesini de önler.
Çok teşekkür ederim zahmet verdim
@@castirtroy Rica ederim.
bosverin bu malları fransız eski bi pilotun videosunda o ben taraf deilim ama videodaki rum ucaği diyoooo
''ooo arkadakini pudinge götürdük'' bunuda çevirin
Pull ding olacak o
@@izleyici5842 yok canım sendegercekmi
@Yannis Kaltsatis oh, you like german poems. i see. a man of culture 🤗
Kanka vidyoda ne diyor ben anlayamadım kısa özet geçebilir misin
Aynen hocam bizi gömüyorlar mı. Açıklar mısın biraz. Rica etsem
Love the breakdown and hearing your perspective on these type of encounters! Any thoughts on doing one on intercepts / encounters where US fighters interact with Russian Tu-142s, Tu-95, etc.. or the other way around with encounters like the recent B-52 and Russian Flankers?
Fake? Why would it be fake? Both sides have tons of footage like this. These engagements happen nearly every day. Claims based on HUD symbols like "SIM" and "FUEL" are also funny. They know nothing about F-16 systems or they lying on purpose
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Two tone camouflage.. HAF Doesn't use it
@@Pavlos_Charalambous dude greece jst fkng pooor for us that facts lol u knw ths to ))
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Everybody knows; "Tango 1 never dies" ✌😉
yeah in Sumilator game dont die hahaha
@Military Aviation Memes and Videos İf U Are Turkish Why Are Ur Name Is English? Bc Ur Not Turkish
@@zafer846 I'm Greek why is my name not greek? Same thing. Let the man chill.
@@zafer846 Stfu pressed child he has the right to put an English name
This is a wet dream for weapons manufacturers, they get to supply both sides!
Turkey threat Greece.
They invaded in Cyprus 1974 .
For 40 years Turkish aircrafts almost every day invate in greek air space.
Turkish ship tried to hit greek ship
Turkish jet fighters thirty years ago fly near a small aircraft of Olympic airways
They used his ships to make research in Aegean sea in 70s 80 s and now
In 1987 and 1996 they threat woth war in Greece.
They sent soldiers in greek island imia in 1996
For many years all turkish government and Turkish generals threat Greece with war .
They destroyed homes and stores of greek people who lived in Constantinople in 50s.
They want greek islands in Aegean sea
Erdogan is a dictator in his country
They only words in his speeches are war and threats.
He threats Greece and Cyprus and acuses France Russia European union
Erdogan helped Isis with money and guns
Erdogan invate in Syria and lybia
He is sending in greek Islands thousand mouslims for Africa and Asian in order to change the population in these greek islands
Turkey and Erdogan send mouslims and Isis fighters in Greece and many of them go to Europe.
And all these years the civilized world like in Europe union UK , Germany , USA and now Russia support Turkey not Greece.
All greek citizens know very good that they are alone and they have not allies in european Union and NATO.
NATO allies does not exist for Greece
Usa UK and now Russia and Germany support the criminal not the victim.
Greece has no border with countries like Switzerland Filand Belgium Holland.
Greece has Turkey.
This the reason that Greece take so many tanks, modern submarines ships, missles and modern jet fighters.
When your neighbor are threating you to invate in your home and you have no support they only way is to defence.
It is the only solution to protect your life and your family
Sorry for my bad English
@@user-vp4tz8ij3y of course greeky
@@user-vp4tz8ij3y hey dude, i live in istanbul and i am a turkish guy who has greek and armenian friends, that you write about is same for turkish side because they call it war, but we have same culture same kitchen same air same land same people you can believe and see, the only and only difference is religion man, ok just understand that politicians use that very well
@@orucduygu9737 I agree with you.
Also I don't want war.
@snuggmoney the entire nato would back us up you wouldnt stand a chance
Is "two long two short" possibly referencing armament as in , two short range(AIM-9) two long range (AIM-120)
Yea
@JuanJulio Jamirez Turk here. Can confirm.
that lock on noise sounds like a shaver
Night of thunder the fireball in your cockpit when the AIM-9 detonates will shave your hair off for sure ;)
didint knew you flew F-16s also mover, you are so amazing! im watching your channel from the begining almost, plz don't stop!
Thanks for elaborating! News worldwide should take your information and explain to the world how this was not a threat but just an intercept
Brace for a LOT of nationalist propaganda in here, Mover. The Turkish-Greek rivalry is very serious and Cyprus is their favorite thing to fight over.
Which is stupid. Crap island is not worth it.
Fuck off
@@WALTERBROADDUS Crap island?
Funniest part is that they're both NATO members. First thing they did at the end of the Cold War was go back to antagonizing each other. Between the Greek bankruptcy and the Turkish assistance to ISIS, I genuinely don't care what they do to each other.
@phantom No, a peice rock with poor people who can't live in peace.
Can't even see the whole shirt but it looks wicked, Mover.
how did you fly f16s AND f18s? they're in separate branches of the military, did you switch branches or something?
Hmm 😒🤔 good question
He did actually! There's a video on his channel detailing how he went from one to the other to continue flying. It's pretty neat.
F16s in the Air Force and F18s in the Navy he didn't like being far away from home so he requested to be in the navy aviation
The Turkish pilots are very talented and cold-blooded. They prove it every time. Turks are the 3rd most powerful force in NATO in military terms.
A talented pilot would get many gun shots here.
@@Mpampouinos13 This isn't a war. It's just a dogfight. The Greek and Turkish air forces have been doing this for years.
At the start, the Turkish Ministry of Defence claims that Greece's 6 Vipers were detected, intercepted and removed from the area. In reality, those 6 F-16s reached Cyprus undetected and proceeded to train with French Rafales. During their departure, the TuAF tried to intercept them, but the HAF had already sent a flight of their own to intercept those Turkish Vipers. With the amount of propaganda that comes out of Turkey every day, I wouldn't be surprised if this was fake.
As you say "the area" is the NAVTEX area of Oruç Reis. The mission was to prevent Greeks entering it, not reaching to Cyprus. And the Greeks in the video looks obeying to Turkish push towards where they are going (probably to Cyprus). So they are not aggressive as you claim them counter-interceptors to be.
That is probably true for the Turkish side, but both sides' stories still don't match, as the Greeks claim that their jets reached Cyprus undisturbed. Also, if these are the 6 HAF Vipers, as Turkey claims, it would make sense for them not to maneuver too violently, as they were likely not loaded for an interception task, unlike the jets that the HAF sent to protect them.
In future videos, it might be helpful to use some kind of mouse identifier (which should be built into Windows) when you are pointing specific things out, like air speed, altitude, etc, etc. Awesome video otherwise!
Every aviation incidence
Le Mover:
Let's investigate 😁✌️
4:28 make sure you put extra thermal paste and tweezers hahahaha
STILL ALIVE?
In terms of general capabilities, from biggest to smallest thing, the biggest organization in the world measuring military prowess and professionalism, place the Greek Navy in 8th and the Greek Airforce 5th in the world. The Turkish are way below, embarrassing even to mention the position. Moreover, in international airshows, Greek pilots always excel. Turkish pilots only try to avoid embarrassing themselves. What I said here, it's not my words, my humble opinion. It's facts.
In 1996, our NAVY came too close in conflict with the Turkish NAVY. Our Admirals couldn't believe how stupidly bad Turks were positioning their ships. The Greeks were waiting the "OK" by the Government. When eventually the permission did not come, they were pulling their hairs out. Turks would have no NAVY today.
As it happened few decades before. One Ship of ours only, ruled the Aegean and Turks were requesting permission to enter in Aegean Sea. Back to 1996 again in another instance, our Ships located their Submarines. We wouldn't let them come out on the surface for air. After 3 days, we did let them. Turks went back and were jailed! Because they said "Greeks are too good in Sea Affairs, we can't do nothing to them", officially sighting "Dereliction of Duty" as the reason! Turkish officers themselves made the event known much later. Meanwhile, to this day, they still try to locate unsuccessfully our own Submarines.
Yes bro, you are right, it is not your opinion and the biggest organisations say that Greeks are better than Turkish at sea, air etc. So would like to tell me about Greek army's previous war experiences?
Why anyone would get torqued over calling it the viper is beyond me. I was a maintainer through most of the 90s when we were still operating vipers in the block 30s. It's always been the viper.
Which country?
block 70 V.But to me Viper is a car.F16 is Falcon looks like a falcon to me.
Thank you for this breakdown. Especially the fuel part
It is funny how people on Twitter seem to have more "expertise" on these topics than the actual experts. The guy claiming that "SIM" was "simulation" clearly thought that this was some sort of computer simulation.
i dont know why but i still love the F-16 they re looking still amazing. Maybe one of the best fighter Jet US ever built
I appreciate you say "I don't know" as a well experienced aviator. Because there's too many idiots out there saying "I know".
You should put a Greek f-16 HUD video side by side with this one, and actually see the difference...this is just a joke...
It's not fake because it was published officially at Turkish Ministry of National Defense website. In fact it happens a lot - last time one of the Greeks crashed into the water after being chased by the Turks.
@@gurzbey8284 It's not fake bc it was posted by a government known for spreading propaganda. You guys believe that we are shooting at the illegal immigrants you forced to come here. Also what are you in about. Yes there were times when even the Greek piloted crashed but I'm sure that in the incident you are reffering it was the Turkish pilot who crashed. Anyway, wanna hear something funnier? One of your submarines a type 214 and it's captain surrendered recently too because a Greek helicopter was "bombing" them with high frequency sonar wavelengths making the captain think he was actually being bombed lmfao
@@giorgosx5838 where do you get all this BS from? you greeks live in a diffrent world.
@@gurzbey8284 nice joke
the pilot flies his plane...permission to shoot belongs to political authority...the pilot cannot "MASTER ARM ON" without permission...in your countries, is this kind of work done according to the pilot's opinion?...if the order is given, the pilot will shoot...it's that simple...but now "that order" has been given to all Turkish Armed Forces...now, there's no need for too much interpretation...with the smallest mistake the Greek side will make, you will understand whether this video is real or false...here, then you will see that the switch is in ARM, not SIM...I've read almost all the comments... you believed in ridiculous things...like fuel, altitude, or the color of the plane...how did you make a connection between the fuel level and the reality of the video?..TURAF's F-16s are close enough to the country to return to their bases, even if they are under 1,000 lb of fuel...also, it is clear in the video that even the clouds in the air appear red because of the sun...turaf aircraft note information about all Greek aircraft, such as aircraft type, weapons inventory and tail number...For example," 2 short, 2 Long, " says the pilot...what this means is that: he names it according to the range of the missile...short means short range (sidewinder), long means long range (AMRAAM)...he notes the weapons of Greek aircraft in type and quantity and reports them to the combat operations center...TURAF does not share such things...but in this case, there is a difference...our seriousness needs to be understood...the Greek side is playing with fire...let them not be stupid, Europe can no longer support them...
Very well commented. Professionally, to the point and without unnecessary drama.
8:10 In DCS, the F16 block 50 has that beeping when something pops up on the RWR. I thought all blocks had that, learned something new today.
colour analysis could indicate this is not actually an HAF Viper, in some shots it looks like a THK two colour tone.
Normally Turkey never releases this kind of footages. Most of the time its the Greek side that releases footages for their millitary propaganda purposes. Greeks did a provocation and Turks released the footage of their provocation. Turkey doesnt need fake millitary propaganda. They are to powerful for that and everybody knows that Turks are serious. Calling this fake is a childish act.
2:40 false subtitle, actually he said " our FL is currently 150" which means we are at 15.000 feets.
The intercept described took place while the planes were returning to Greece from Cyprus. One wonders why the disinformation from the Turkish sources. Could it be because they are embarrassed that they did not detect the planes when they went to Cyprus?