They should give a little bonus rank to the winner of a full set. Meaning if you make it to game 3 the winner gets maybe 100 additional points. That way people are encouraged to stay.
@@nigelstanford4 Not in my experience, but different experiences may vary so I won't say that that doesn't happen. Something should incentivize both players ideally I guess.
Most frustrating thing has the been the community response to the whole thing. So many people talking about “you are not entitled to a re-match”. While i don’t disagree with the sentiment, the fact of the matter is MAJORITY of people not giving rematches is to retain points or because their Ego can’t take a loss. Tekken community is allergic to calling a spade a spade.
I don't rematch on ranked unless I am confident I can win. There is no reward in ranked for rematching someone. That is the game's fault, not the player's. Also, the way the points are given out are complete BS, nonsensical, and random. Wanna git gud by rematching? Play quick play. We didn't make the rules, the game devs did
Calling a spade a spade here is kinda funny given you are arguing from analogy. You demonstrate cognitive dissonance and allow your personal bias towards people not rematching you be dictated by what you PERCEIVE to be an ego loss. "So many people talking about 'you are not entitled to a re-match "... this would infer that "MAJORITY of people not giving rematches" are following this sentiment for their own personal reasons, but most likely as you claim, you are not entitled to a rematch.
@@Manley156 no but youre still a pussy for leaving lol, yea maybe u got busy but i really, really doubt the 500 azucena, victor, king, feng, and drag mains all had a call in from work.
@Unknownengima0 I've done that 1 time and it was a feng who ki charged and demoted me second game I won ki charged ranked up and left. The guy deserved it imo.
@@phriscalmer8740 ki chargers and teabaggers are different. They are in the same league for me as laggy people. They get no rematches whether i win or lose. They give no respect, they get none.
I blame the devs for making it only 1st to 2. Most competitive mindset people want to play a good opponent for longer, instead of sifting back through disconnection rates.
The manners in tekken are insane. People get insanely pissed if you land one low hit and start spamming lows in the orange ranks, then in the red ranks they ALWAYS try to kick you after the round ends. But if you do the same to them? Good god, you think you’d killed their beloved pet the way they lose their shit
I find this to be so common with grabs too. If you land a grab mix-up, I find very often the opponent will start spamming throws back. This happens so frequently that I've found it's easy to predict and just start punishing them for trying to throw me lol
@@kyleannen731 I love it when they do that. I'm always surprised by how rarely people throw. How am I going to practice teching if people won't throw unless they're king? I throw all the time. It's good for you.
@@garymichalles8383 months into a games life I will have those moments, and naturally my reaction is to try and "cement" the idea so I end up doing the thing tons in that match. Sucks cause yeah, I get blown up for it but honestly in my case it's just... Yeah you reminded me that exists so imma use it now lmao
Honestly I don't know why more fighting games don't take a note out of Killer Instinct's book and just force the best of 3 if you're in a ranked setting. Gold vs Killer or Killer vs Killer matches require one player to win two matches before they get any points. I'm a firm believer that this should be a standard going forward for all ranked modes, without limiting it to high ranks. Specifically because of this issue; the system calls you out for being a fraud if you can't adapt.
@@sky-oq5mr literally every other ranked system in other genres forced you to play a full match. A match in Valorant can be 40 mins but people don't complain cause they understand it's ranked and u should have the ability to come back but in FGs for some reason in ranked we act likeyou can just leave whenever and run gimmicks like it's no biggie. You should have to run the set
It was definitely shocking going from Street Fighter 6 where in my 500 hours I've only had 2 people in Ranked that I can remember that quit out before the set was over because they were on the brink of death; then going to Tekken 8 and it happens all the time, and NO ONE rematches.
@@Dragonborn1178 how is not rematching plugging lol. why should you get forced to play another set where you know you will get stomped and not learn anything.
yup sums up my experience, i had a dude literally plugging then going on my steam profile to call me racist slurs just cuz i was playing king.. theres so many angry players on tekken ranked actually nuts lol
Losing is part of the fun, because then you can learn. Rank systems add this layer of intensity where people focus solely on the climb and are TERRIFIED of the fall, which is part of growing as a player, and even a person, in any setting. You gotta fail before you fly, but these fighting games with ladders inherently tell players they're bad or it's bad to lose through negative reinforcement and people with Max's mentality become the exception, not the rule, which flies in the face of fighting games as a whole.
And if you'd remove the ladders, the people who derive actual thrills and pleasure from putting in the work and watch their rank rise are punished. I really don't know what you can do to square this circle.
I think a way to solve this is to incentivise people to run the set back rather than just one and doneing, whether that's higher Tekken Prowess awarded for completing a 3 match set or higher reward points for the Battle Pass Missions. I don't know.
@@lucas-xf7rc I dunno I agree that some people who are just sore losers will quit no matter what, but the sting of loss isn't as bad if you keep in the back of your mind that you're getting rewarded with something.
@@KiddCrowley I suppose that could help, but I think that this "Boom" of quitters is more about the unwillingness to learn how to be good, rather than it is about the rewards you can get. If a person doesn't want to put in the time to learn how to get decently good at the game, that's fine, since it can be quite time consuming. However, knowing how to take a loss is something that game Devs can't teach...
@@lucas-xf7rc you take the loss.... not rematching isnt the same as plugging. They just dont want to get destroyed by someone thats lives and breathes the game again for that persons enjoyment.
Lol I play fighting games to just kick people and survive as long as I can. I can win, lose, or draw. I don't be caring too much if they spam, troll, or pick a "top tier" character. I just enjoy understanding patterns and having fun with the character I like.
Man draw is really fun in 8. I had my first draw in ranked playing against very good Nina, she won the first and the second a draw in the final round like three seconds left and then two more games again, damn. Its more impactful in this game for sure
When playing in elite smash, i faced a guy playing as sonic. He would hang around the edge, constantly charging his rolling attacks, and just wait for you to approach. The moment you get hit off stage, he would use his spring to try and gimp your jump and kill you. If he got up by a stock, he would RUN AWAY for the rest of the match, to time you out. Oh, and he would set the timer to the shortest possible. It was infuriating. I happen to get him again a couple matches later, but this time i got up by one stock. So i gave him a taste of hos own medicine and avoided him the whole time. But just before the match ends, he quits...so i dont gain any points...yeah he was blocked after that
During the Brawl days, I ended up accepting a team match with three people I'd been interacting with online for months; seemed like a good idea at the time. What I didn't expect was that any time my teammate and I were about to win, one of the two others would DC. It's something to DC on strangers you'll never meet, but in friendlies against folks you will generally run into again ? I actually didn't believe it at first, but after the third time in a row, there was little mistaking it. The guy in question was very toxic when he did win, as well. Still confuses me to this day, nobody was spamming or anything either, pretty basic matches all around. Other adjacent story, brought Melee to a party that one time, ended up having to leave for a few hours so I could only play a match against this guy I'd known for a few years before I had to go. Ended up winning, but not by a lot, cool match. Didn't want to boast so I kept it low key, and then left the Gamecube behind until I got back since they had nothing else planned and all. Turns out while I was away, the guy ravaged my controller (see the plastic making the joystick round ? He clawed that shit off, very thoroughly might I add) . A friend later told me he was enraged for a good while because I didn't, and he quoted, "celebrate enough for managing to beat him".
That issue is essentially gone, I never match with high disconnection rate. I haven't been plugged on since they fixed that display since i dont accept people with high disconnection rates. You should move on to the next issue, as this shouldn't be happening anymore.
Recently I played a match against a Lars and lost. The guy refused the rematch and added me in a group chat called “OWNED” which was full of people he’s one and doned. Every now and then he’ll send a clip to it saying “lol look how I destroyed this guy” and more often than not, it is always the last round with one hit to take it for either side
sounds like 96 percent of the FGC most players are scum and brag about Victories they won underhanded they don't deserve their rank you can tell the difference between a player who actually plays Fighting games as oppose the majority of the community who look up cheats on youtube and then look for broken exploits. basically fighting games have always this large group of fake fighters who claim they are good but when they get pressured like Max mentioned they refused to adapt these players are one trick ponies
Take comfort in the big possibility that they get VERY upset if they lose. If they're that toxic when they win, it's probably worse for themselves when they lose. Even if they don't show it, it's probably in their head, the best place for ego deflation.
@@AsukasButleryou'd probably RQ against a Miguel lol, maybe if you didn't one and done everyone maybe you'd figure out a way to stop their bullshit, but nah you'd rather just get those wins then complain when you lose.
Nah. You should be ready for everything at all times. You can adapt in other matches. This is part of life. Not everyone is gonna let you "adapt." Take your L and STFU and GTFO.
One thing that gets to me is when my opponent beats me, rematches me, then quits if I beat them, effectively leaving the set 1-1 Honestly grinds my gears more than a one and done
For me it's annoying when people just disconnect mid game, it just ruins the game man (be ready for a challenge if you want to play online and don't ruin the game for other players like me smh)
I'm more okay with that than a person who dips regardless if they win or lose, because a rage quit is still a win on your end imo A one and done is a refusal to engage beyond how THEY play, and I respect that less than a person effectively conceding victory to you via plugging A plugger makes me laugh, a dipper makes me question why they're even in rank
The only time I ever plug in any kind of fighting game if somebody has a shitty connection I don’t mind people if the connection isn’t perfect but when you’re sitting there and you feel like you’re playing in mud and mashing buttons, thinking you’re cool no that’s when I draw the line
@@Dasaltwarrior What is the rematch setup like in tekken8? I havent actually played it yet so dont have the full context. In my case, I play a lot of gg strive these days, and in that game you can rematch up to two times before it backs out both players to the lobby. For me in strive, I generally rematch those 2 games. But a lot of times after the game sends us back to the lobby, I look for a new opponent instead of fighting the same person. This is because I often treat ranked mode like a tournament scenario, where I don't get a ton of time with the same person and have to adapt quickly. If I want repeated matches Ill go to non-ranked. If the tekken 8 situation that people are describing is like pol dipping after 1 game in strive, then I can see how that'd be annoying.
best of 3 is just as dumb as 1 fight lol... oh boy... A WHOLE OTHER MATCH..... that changes EVERYTHING! smh. Ranked should be FT10 if you ask me if you lose 5/0 then you can leave if you want. If you're in ranked... and you quit after 2 wins, or like 1 loss and 2 wins.... and you play like this.... and leave after 2 losses....... then your rank is simply fraudulent. Your rank just does not represent your skill level..... It's inarguable. It's 2+2=4. If someone who played like this sat down for a 5 hour session, and hit nothing but rematch unless they lost 5/0 (or 10 games in a row if they won at all) they would lose no less than 5 ranks before that 5 hour session ended. They would be bumped down to whatever rank represented their skill.....
And this is why I NEVER play online as a whole, especially with fighting games. I am perfectly fine playing against an actual friend IRL or CPU. The toxicity of the online community is absolutely disgusting.
@@shatteredteethofgod Honestly? I'd just go with the flow. My own flow, that is. I'm casual as casual can be, so better not expect too much of a fight against me. lol
@@cosmosofinfinity i don't care what they agree with, i'm not buying microtransactions. i want the netcode to not be ass, i want to be able to play more than 5 minutes at a time before having to requeue and filter through 8 wifi matches before getting a hardwired.
i try not to care when my opponent leaves after one match, but i do love mirror matches and i would love to keep fighting in a mirror match. recently ppl just leave. it makes me sad.
I've ran into so many one & done players on T8 recently. It only seemed to ramp up when Eddy Gordo got added. You'll run into players spamming his strings, and once you figure them out, they'll leave after you beat them.
It sucks, because Tekken takes longer to learn and adapt over a set than other fighting games in my experience, so for it to have the most toxic culture of a JP fighting game hamstrings it quite a bit I feel Like I've had cheaters, 1 and dones, and rage quits in SF6, but I learn so much quicker, AND get matches quicker that it doesn't matter
One issue I have with a “jail” matchmaking is that on the one map Fallen Destiny (or whatever it is called, the one in the middle of a storm at the ocean) I consistently get a fatal UE error that kills the game that I’ve tried so many fixes for and none work. Like quitting sucks but I don’t think there is a way to differentiate someone closing the game and it crashing so people could get the “bad apple” matchmaking through no fault of their own. It’s honestly the main reason I personally wasn’t playing much outside of player matches with friends cause I don’t want to start loading into a match and see that it is basically on a timer cause the random map we got is going to inevitably crash my game. I’m pretty sure it is an AMD issue but I don’t know and since the last time I played it wasn’t fixed.
AMD user here, and I have had absolutely no issues with the game or it crashing on me. This might sound harsh, but if a "jail" exists it exists to isolate the problematic players, then anyone should be included if they're crashing or disconnecting that much in ranked. Hope the problem gets sorted for you with a patch soon, tho.
I don't think he's talking necessarily about pluggers... he's talking about people just quitting after 1 or 2 games. If I get a straight disconnect I can't really be angry because there are so many reasons that could happen other than plugging..... However, when I'm in a match and they win the first, then I win the second in a very close great game... then they just scroll down to "next opponent" or "quit" or w.e it is..... there is nothing fuckin worse to deal with in a fighting game.
Generally, I think the best way to fight this problem is to simply allow players to see their opponents name, character, connection, and disconnect percentage and then let them decide if they want to play. Super simple, allows people to dodge characters they would DC against, allows everyone to see the rage quitters and avoid them, everyone's happy. Smash has the absolute worst online community. It wasn't always so bad, Smash 4 was good, but when Ultimate came out with the point system, just ruined everything. Almost everyone in Ultimate is a campy, rage quitting one and doner, its hilariously sad. Really makes me think the only thing that works for Smash players is hiding your ELO/rank whatever.
Take out seeing the character, and this is a good idea. People shouldn’t be punished for picking a character. Strong or not. That’s something that’s just in the game and you the player have to adapt to it until they change it.
@RanOutOfSpac I used to think that, but now I think it's a good compromise. I saw it work in Guilty Gear Strive, that's what changed my opinion. Ultimately, people not wanting to play with certain characters is a non issue, because if they hate them that much, then they are very likely to rage quit on them anyways. It saves time to simply allow dodging.
I got my fun out of Tekken 8. Great gameplay, but after awhile the over-tuned top tier characters/moves and a complete lack of a system to handle quitting just burns me out on the experience. I'd still rate it highly as I got plenty of hours out of it, just being honest with why I stopped. Went back to Street Figher 6 and enjoying it greatly again.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what most pro players are saying as well dude there’s so much mashing online as someone who is an average player not a super pro in Tekken seven the mashing in the new game is crazy the older games I could play strategic and tech and eight I feel like I’m dealing with some child pressing buttons or playing on casual mode or just throwing out random things and random rage moves
@@Dragonborn1178 I don't mind players mashing. But I don't like I am essentially doing 50/50 casino when I am backed against a wall or corner. It's particularly egregarious especially against characters like Dragunov, Eddy, King, etc.
since its hard to decermine who quit, they should do something similar to the behaviour score from dota2. you start with a perfect score of 100%. every time a disconnect happens, both players loose points, every game that is played in full recopers your score a bit. the matchmaking system tries to match people with similar behavior scores. people that occasionally face quitters recover their scores, while the quiters score sinks further. it should be a bit more finegrained than that explanation, but thats the gist of it.
he's tlaking about people who play one match then click next opponent instead of rematch.... plugging is different... when someone disconnect you can't really know if they did it on purpose... Max is talking about people who play 1 or 2 games then quit because they know they can't use their shitting gimmicks and your lack of character knowledge against you if they keep rematching.... When I play someone who is obviously not a good player, and they beat me in the first game because they use one of the 1000's of gimmicks in tekken that anyone who isn't a 10 year legacy player won't recognize and figure out right away, then play again and win again in a very close match... they will quit because they know that if they keep playing they'll never win another game if they rematched 500 times.
People are obsessed with winning in Tekken or fighting games in general, because that's the only progression they see. Sure you unlock fight money for costumes, but there aren't that many items in the game so you do it pretty quick and the battle pass sucks. Fighting games really need to take a page from CoD. A lot of ppl don't care whether they win or lose, they just want to unlock camos. Fighting games need a camo like grind or just other modes besides ranked and casual. So even if a casual isn't winning they can't have fun and feel like they are progressing in some way while playing.
You had the Conqueror mode in Tekken 5 that was exactly for that. Each character that you played in that mode would rank up like in an online ladder mode, and each level unlocked customization for that specific character. It was a pretty fun way to learn each character too since it would get actually rough at the last levels.
It's why everytime I can send a msg with my matchmaking stuff in games it's "I hope we can both improve!" I don't really care as much about who wins or lose, I wanna try to do cool shit with my character and show off what I've learned - and sometimes get absolutely bodied by someone who also is showing off what they learned.
All this rank problem is frustrating to me. Not just because I want more opportunities to learn not just character match ups and individual playstyles, but because I know those that are chasing points are trading short term gains for long term losses. Sure, they'll rank up quickly now... but let them get high enough to fight people that know what they're doing. If they're not going to take the time to learn the game as they rank up, I doubt they'll do it when they plateau. So it creates a frustrating online experience. I feel like I'm waiting for the rank chasers to quit playing, as they probably will long term.
IDK how these people look at their rank and feel any sense of accomplishment AT ALL.... people who do this have fraudulent ranks..... If they were to sit for 5 hours without quitting at all in ranked they'd lose 5 ranks within 3 hours and completely end the experiment and break their controller.... punks...... It's why I quit playing tekken... a game that has 5000+ different moves in which you have to know when the string ends... if it's negative 11 or negative13 to punish correctly, or if it ends in a high that you can duck.... having people quit after 1 or 2 matches just makes the game unplayable... ACTUALLY unplayable.. I love tekken... I think it's fun... I want to get better at it... but I haven't even bought tekken 8 because of this issue.... I won't do it to myself...
The problem with locking someone in a first to 3 is that sometimes people have shit to do. I’ve had great matches that I couldn’t continue because something came up. I shouldn’t be penalized for that, because my only recourse in that situation would be to turn my console off instead of ending the match cleanly.
Terrible justification. If you have to leave mid set, leave with your game still going. Shit happens, you lose a couple points. Or quit out. If it’s once in awhile you won’t be penalized. Go the extra mile by messaging your opponent when you have a chance. But if you’re consistently too busy to AT MOST have 9 minutes of your time taken (3 rounds, 60 seconds each, best two of three) then another solution for you, don’t play ranked. Your life’s schedule isn’t important enough to ruin ranked for everyone else my dude.
As the noob being stomped, this is why I want surrender buttons in fighting games. I will not rage quit, but if I'm completely outclassed, I don't want to wait to look for a fellow noob I might stand a chance against.
then keep rematching, it's the only way to get better. I won't play tekken anymore because of the reason max is talking about... I stopped playing a few years ago because of this exact reason. But I AM playing MK1 now, and I'm playing people online who aren't great so I bug my friend every day to play because he can fuckin absolutely MOP ME 100-0 ATM..... but if I keep playing him he'll only mop me 100-10 and barely anyone else who plays his character would even have a fuckin chance against me. If ur being stomped then figure out why... adapt... Look for what ur getting hit by... then wait for them to do it again and try something you think might beat it.... and if that doesn't work... try something else until you find the answer... Once you do find the answer though, they'll just quit on you. 😅
Pluggers situation get worse as the higher ranks you go (Currently at about Kishin). I thought that as you climb higher people would be more incline to play the game honestly (not plugging and following through with the best 2 out of 3). I also want to call out the Tekken 8 ranking system kind of encourage people to not follow through with the 2 out of 3 matches more at the higher ranks because they made the rank point gain system in a way that you need to be on a win streak to rank up in the higher ranks. So if someone wins/lose a close match, it does make sense to not gamble on a close match, but rather so find someone to stomp on just to get the win streak just to be able to climb.
The problem with Tek8's rank mechanic is it's been completely scrubified. 9/10 fights I have with red and purple ranks don't have them use more than a single juggle all match, they just abuse overtuned character BS they saw on RUclips and they're able to climb into high ranks with ease. It's a joke when compared to previous Tekkens.
seeing players with God of Destruction ranks with 30 defense rating because they did what you said is what makes ranking up in this game not feel satisfying at all.
Your first mistake was assuming players at high ranks are actually skilled and honest. Tekken 8 was made to carry braindead morons. I'm currently Kishin with Jin and it's *rare* when you fight someone who isn't overly dependent on heat/RAs and actually puts thought into the match. Rank is basically a facade in this game.
Mortal Kombat Quitalities are the BEST answer to Ragequitting. Not winning anything because you finally adapted to the teabagger who ragequit while funny is still bad. You should always be rewarded for literally staying in the game. It just sucks that the engine sometimes can't tell who ragequit if both sides have bad wifi and that goes for a lot of games.
I get being pissed when if ppl do a 1 and done on ranked. Its proper form to give them the rematch. Here's the thing though. Once you get to the blue levels, if you lose 3 ranked games in a row you lose 1k points on the 3rd game no matter the rank. Even below blue there's the fact that you lose the same amount of points to people ranked above you, and lose fewer points if you lose to ppl ranked below you. The biggest reason I'll skip rematches isn't even the opponent, its the stages. If I'm playing Kazuya, my big damage relies entirely on there being a wall. So if I get colloseum or whatever the tree place is, I don't get the wall. I don't have combos to get them close enough to the wall, so I gotta compromise by going for reset setups which I have very few of. And this gets even more infuriating when you're up against Dragunov or Lee who can just carry you to just shy of the wall from center stage off of their combos. In short, if I replay on those stages I am effectively handicapping myself. A lot of ppl in here talk about how you should just rematch to learn... but this ranking system doesn't encourage that.
I remember when the game first dropped everyone was playing full sets. Even got friend requests from having good fights. Now its like a rare thing to play the full set in either quick match or ranked.
not even necessarily talkign about pluggers... just talking about people who play 1 or 2 or 3 close matches then just quit.... It's the most frustrating thing I've ever run into... I love tekken... but I stopped playing it years ago because of this. For instance, in tekken 7 there were like 50 or more characters which means there was FIVE THOUSAND MOVES..... how can you learn match ups and get better at the game in a game with 5000 moves when people leave after 2 close matches... it's fuckin ridiculous and unplayable.... I won't even buy tekken 8 because of this reason and I actually want to play it! But I just can't with this community, I simply can't.
@@admontblanc that won't help with playing against real people... Going in the lab and labbing everything sure... but that's impossibly boring especially with that many characters and moves.
I totally agree. With tekken 8 making it so that you can only do a ft2 it makes it all the more frustrating when people win/lose quit on you. It makes sense to force a ft2 but then if there is lag detected to a significant level the players should be able to back out obviously. It’s all such a tricky thing to figure out
people dont play for fun . They play for ego . This world taught them that losing is bad and then youre the worst. But truth is the one who know how to lose is sometimes the real winner. its a part of the process . You cant have joy of winning if you cannot find joy in losing
That's not a T8 problem that's an online problem. Happens in SF6, MK, etc. The solution is to force people to play out the full FT2 set and if you quit before completion of it, you get the L for game 2 and/or 3. This is one of the only good things MK11 did right and I think that should be the standard for FG ranked. If you can't afford to play out a full FT2 set then play a casual set.
Only times I don’t rematch: 1. Slideshow connection 2. Opponent’s rank is so much lower that I’d lose a massive amount of points if they just so happen to play a perfect game even though I’d only get like 90 for a win. Pretty sure I’ve only denied a rematch like maybe 5 times since launch.
100% Feel the exact same way! They need to do a 5 round test run. 5 rounds offers enough time to adapt and mount comebacks. I also believe it will slow down the matches. Cause who wants to be down 3-1 or 4-0. Plus those comebacks would be epic to experience.
I super appreciate you saying that people with bad connections dont need to be put in plugger jail. Im rural and have the best internet that is available for my area. When tekken 8 came out i kept having issues with disconnect and just had to stop playing out of fear of being lumped in with rage quitters. While my connection is now more stable i have an issue where the game wont let me rematch around when i get to warrior rank. It just completely kicks me out of online after the error code.
It’s just that this ranking system is so fuckin brutal. You win a match and get nothing for points but god forbid you lose you’re sent back to beginner basically
The most casual games being Tekken, MK and Smash having the most one-and-dones, or BM in general, makes sense. Many casuals have the wrong mindset and hop online to get a quick dopamine rush like in many other genres. And in those it's mostly defined by "winning". Having a healthy, competitive relationship with FGs requires a different one though which is finding the fun in the little things you manage to do in a match and discover new things about your character. But those tend to get overshadowed when you only look at the bigger goal of winning.
Yeah, even SF6 had this issue on release when the casuals jumped into ranked after world tour. I hope it will go away soon. Probably around mid summer we will have to core Tekken fanbase that’s not mentally weak to seeing “you lose”
Worth Noting that if the person one and doning is a casual (and it is not always) , this isn't necessarily because of the L. Many casuals just aren't aware that there is a such etiquette in the FGC and just want to fight a bunch of different people. I didn't think about it myself before I started watching FG videos (thankfully I don't really play online anyway, so I didn't cause too much trouble) , and when I told a friend playing SF6 online that he should rematch, he just went "hey, that makes sense, never thought about it" and started rematching. In fact, it's especially likely if they don't particularly care about the L, they don't really care to find out who is the truly without a doubt the best between them and the random person they're fighting online. Guess the best thing to do is to get the information out there in a way that it will be seen by the most people.
It's the 1v1 factor. In team based PVP or PVE games, you can have a bad match and still get carried by your team to a W, or vice-versa. It could be you picking up the slack from your teammates. In fighting games, it's always personal.
This is just andecdotal, but as a casual player idk if I agree that's the source. I've played a lot of Guilty Gear: Strive, which as far as I know has a pretty big casual audience, and people will ALWAYS rematch until the end, a lot of the time even coming back for extras after they lost. The only exception being if it was super uneven, but even then often they will come back for an ass kicking. Now part of the reason is probably that the ranking system is less punishing (until you get to max rank), but I'll get so many one-and-dones after THEY WON, even if it wasn't a super close match. As for other BM like teabagging and shit talking, it happens but is still very rare, much rarer than in Tekken 8.
I don't do this anymore but whenI started playing Tekken 8 i had never played a fighting game online before and didn't realize this was bad manners. I one and doned because my wrist was absolutely fucked after a single match until I swapped controllers.
omg THANK YOU for mentioning Smash, because i literally got hella burned out last night for the same exact shit and decided to take a break for a good while. If I had any local scenes and enough time in my life I would gladly ditch the online, but i have no other options. I'll stick to T8 for the time being, since at least I can practice every now and then.
Thank you for explaining and having me understand how players like me (one and done) can be annoying, but I CAN say I love the 2 outta 3 mechanic Tekken 8 has. I no longer one and done, I'll smack the rematch button knowing I'll really be here with this one opponent for only 3 matches, not stuck in a rematch loop fighting the same guy🤣
I honestly noticed that the higher ranks I went up in Tekken, I found myself stuck with single matches with no rematches or people using the "no contest" system during the first match if things don't go their way. It definitely has been a pain to play especially when I want to get better.
that's because those scrubs don't belong that high up in the ranks, their rank is completely fraudulent.... How they can look at their rank with any pride AT ALL is beyond my capacity to understand. 1 match punks... 2 match punks..... just simply punks.
The difference about BM in Mortal Kombat is that the fatalities and brutalities are designed for that purpose; personally, I don't get angry when someone performs a fatality or brutality on me because at least it's fun to watch them.
Win or lose and believe me, I play Lars and I be getting my ass KICKED sometimes.... But I will ALWAYS REMATCH!!! Simply because I hate it when people one done me, like bro I just downloaded you, let me kick your ass now or they lose and leave, Like bro come get yo win back lol.
Y'all crying over one and dones. Please move on with your lives. I dont care about that. What i care for is banning the rage quitting clowns in matches. One and done arent hurting nothing. So what.
@@RanOutOfSpac Believe what you want. But at least i ain't no coward rage quitter like most of y'all. The people that literally quit in the middle of a match.
I hate it to. I'm all about having a good fight and learning from experience. If I lose it just makes me wanna try harder. So many just wanna win even if it means spamming
Rage quitting mid fight I’m 100% against and it should be met with harsh punishment. However, while frustrating, I don’t feel that people owe me a rematch. Everyone’s got a life, you never know what’s going on in the real world.
"I'm getting frustrated... it must be the game's fault! Such bad game design!" Is literally our current gaming generation, cannot tell you how many timed I have heard people say this in the past few months.
I think 1 and doners are a reality of online fighting games. Sometimes the connection is just bad so you quit after one set. Forcing people to play first to 2 would be horrible if you encounter someone that’s lagging badly. Especially since lag switching is a thing.
Didn't Harada say something recently about how todays generation of players don't have the competitive spirit that older generations had. This could be just how todays youth be.
And his generation doesn't have the love and compassion for video games they once did. They try to milk us with all these battle passes and microtransaction
@sky-oq5mr and it works Just like with dlc 10 years ago We spoke with our wallets....and we paid for it People now accept dlc as the norm.look at the amount of reaction hype big and small channels do for new characters
To be honest, I totally don't care if people quit after they win the 1st match... It's their choice and I do respect it. The game also allows it. It's not like we have to wait a long time (like in T7) to find another match. Hovewer rage quitters are totally annoying and deserve to loose the points and be banned if they repeat it.
Can’t believe there’s people in the comments pretty much saying they’re entitled to a rematch. I get that it’s annoying when people don’t want to rematch but people have other things to do too.
@@basedmarlon nobody is entitled. But how is it that "people have other things to do too". As if they aren't immediately re-queueing. What a lousy defense.
Facts. Ban the godamn pluggers. I've stopped playing because of this issue. One and done aren't shit. Pluggers have literally ruined the experience. It's sucks.
@@martijn2973tbh it doesn't even matter what they're doing, if they don't want a play a person for whatever reason they don't have to, sure they're pussies or whatever but who cares?
For casual, ya who cares if you leave after one match. We are playing damn ranked here, so your ass should be ready to play the set. We are playing for silly rank points, and I want my silly rank points. Imo, points should only be given to the person who wins the set, not a round. And I dont give a fuck if you have something to do in five minutes so you dont want to be forced to play a set. Simply dont play ranked. If you chose to play ranked matched, YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THE SET FOR YOUR POINTS! And that is how it should have been, but oh well, the player’s pizza might burn or something. We cant have such a thing
I fought a Shaheen and the match was the Tekken I love. No spamming power crushing heat engagers. Just straight up making reads on each other. I won the first match using Claudio, he won the second match then I won the last match. All the rounds were close lol. Fun as hell
Apologies for not being professional at fighting games. Not everyone who plays fighting games are in it competitive. also 6:00 is not true at all. I bought the game just to play the story mode and to not play Tekken 8 online. I enjoy it for the content and not competitive.
@@RanOutOfSpac My point is I play the game offline period. I never buy fighting games for online play. Max is putting all casuals in one group that play online to not get better when most just play it to have fun and not to play it in some competitive way.
@@RanOutOfSpacyou often fight way better players than you in casual matches imo. I avoid casual matches like the plague. I’m not a plugger just throwing that perspective
Its not even about playing competatively. Its mostly about manners. If you win but 1 and done thats just rude. If you lose but 1 and done i think you should try again but i wont blame you. If you quit out mid match is where the problems lie.
@@rayjohnson863 He didn’t group all the casuals. He was just talking about the casuals that do play online. He also mentioned that the content that T8 has is what attracted the casuals in the first place.
As much as I agree here, there is one problem locking people into FT2. What happens when you decide to play against a wifi as a wired player, and the connection is absolute ass? Am I forced to sit through another lag fest in the hopes than the poor connection doesn't result in a loss?
Thank you for bringing this up Max because I literally was in another RUclips video comment section saying the same thing about why even play a fighting game if you were going to have a poor Sportman mentality and then be entitled about saying that you do not owe another person to rematch and how are you supposed to learn to get better if you were avoiding the characters that you hate to fight so much.
One thing people seem to not grasp about these concepts is that, no, nobody is really entitled to a rematch or the runback for several reasons. Many folks usually go for the, "They do it to save their points/Rank", but consider that there are other factors at play besides just that notion: -Nobody's gonna rematch you if there isnt shit to learn. If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent. Nobody's getting their ass whooped 20 times, winning 1, and claiming, "I've learned something", because you really didn't -You all know damn well a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose. No matter how many messages I get about, "Being a bitch" by my opponent, if I win or lose in a connection where it feels like I am submerged in flan, I aint rematching you, and to claim you haven't done the same thing is preposterous (Don't say it's "different", many of you are getting upset over not hitting rematches period) -Points and Rank don't mean anything if the person simply doesn’t care. Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible, but take a guess at how many folks either won't rematch because they run into the standard flowchart of each game hundreds of times (I play Ken, I KNOW people don't wanna rematch me in SF, for example).That's enough for them to not wanna rematch people because at that point, they simply don't want to fight the same character again despite possib running into another one, but it's not to insult the opponent. Even then, chances are they either will leave if they win or lose anyway, so taking offense to it is utterly pointless. I just wanna clarify that I get a bit disappointed for not getting rematches from good connections, but I don't care past that because, again, I am not owed a rematch or a set unless it's a tournament, so no reason to get upset about a "problem" that honestly isn't there besides actuam cheating or ragequitting, IMO.
“If you curbstomp someone ONCe, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent.” Highly disagree. Many people often have their default strategy which can also be referred to as a flowchart. Really good players are able to learn when the flowchart isn’t working and adapt. With that being said, it’s not uncommon for them to take a little longer. I have had times in which I get perfected and won the set, and have perfected people and they won the set.
@phabiorules You're saying that about people who don't WANT to learn anything past that, though, but I should've clarified a bit better. Sufficed to say, unless that person isn't actively pushing to get better and doesn't simply care to "git gud" (Max even said in the vid about those who simply want easy wins, because yeah, there are those who simply realize they aren't winning that match and don't care to rematch), yeah, they will be able to tell the disparity off of a single match. It obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but to say it ISN'T true is objectively false-newcomers who just started, but don't understand the nuances of the systems aren't going to "download" anything on their first go-around against someone who has a good/notable amount of leagcy skill and fundamentals, and even in today's fighting game world, it isn't something you get within a quick amount of time. They're likely to move on to the next opponent and find someone equal to their level instead.
"If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent" So this is a matchmaking issue then, if the skill gap is actually that large. That's not related to whether or not a set should be played out. If anything, that's an argument for sets because it means they'll get out of this rank bracket quicker so you don't get matched with them again. If the skill gap isn't big and you're just getting knowledge checked then the idea of framing the one-and-done as "I can't learn anything" is ridiculous. If you wanted to learn then you would stay and try new tactics, especially with the replay system Tekken 8 has. You're not just playing against a character you're playing against a person, and people have habits you can learn. That's part of the game. "a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose" The only somewhat valid reason for the game to not force a set, but this shouldn't be the deciding factor. Ultimately it's on the game to mitigate lag-related issues, every other game has to deal with this as well. It shouldn't affect the design of the game modes themselves. "Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible" Sure, and if it doesn't happen then it is what it is, that's the luck of the draw. It's RANKED. You fight whoever you get matched with. By your logic we should be able to see the character someone plays in the matchmaking pop-up just because it would be more fun for these people. You see why that would be a problem though, right? People would just dodge matchups they're bad at and accept the ones they are good at. That doesn't make for a good competitive mode, and allowing people to choose who they rematch causes a similar problem.
The issue i have is that i lose so much they not only quit but look down on me and trash me about my skills and i just want to have fun at this point in my life
Basically hes explaining the mindset of the modern age gamer.. only interested in 'stunting' on people and pretending to be 'da best' they arent actually interested in becoming amazing , its all about how quick can u look like u own people .. and if they dont get that from any experience they will quit quicker than how quick their attention span is. Honestly it just makes me want to go offline and just play classic games for the rest of my life
I only play ranked and I don’t always rematch. Sometimes I’m busy, sometimes I just don’t want to fight against that character again, sometimes I don’t wanna fight that specific player again because I don’t like the way they fight. The fact of the matter is that if someone doesn’t give you a rematch, you have no idea why unless they tell you. Yall are just assuming that they’re scared to rematch you when there’s countless other possible reasons. Get over yourselves and get out your feelings.
Very well said, and exactly what I came to say (albeit less eloquently). I've been on both ends of the one-and-done, and while I can guess why it happened to me, neither they nor I need to justify the reason for using an in-game feature. Getting angry that someone denied you a rematch is simply an ego problem.
@@Shade84 exactly, sometimes I’ve played a dozen Reina’s in a row and I just don’t feel like fighting another one lol. Or the bears (I always have, and always will hate playing against the bears 🐻 🐼 lol). I’m not running from an opponent because I’m scared lol, I’m just not going to continue to play a game if I’m not enjoying it. It’s crazy that so many people genuinely assume that everyone is just scared of them and that’s why they won’t rematch lol
This is why the current rematch limit hurts so bad: you meet someone really interesting and then after 2 close matches it's already good bye? Come on! I never felt like the unlimited rematches in T7 were a problem and in return got me some really nice sets. Bring those back!
Nobody owes anyone a rematch. If somebody doesn't want to play you anymore regardless if they win or lose it's fine. People really need to stop thinking that everyone has to rematch them.
@@runbaa9285 I'm glad the tekken devs are graciously donating matches with other people to me after I spent money on this game. There's just too many characters in this game that either are or can be made to be annoying to play against. Imagine beating level 1 of super mario brothers and then level 1 asks for a rematch, stomps you, teabags your corpse and leaves. You probably should have just taken your points, gone on to f*ck about with level 2 and not worried about how level 1 needs to grow as a mario brother's level.
I think going against plugger is fine, but going against people that don't want to rematch... I don't know. I feel like that's a bit to much. Based on what you are saying, you essentially want to get rid of the option to rematch and basically just force them to Rematch. Because if someone isn't rematching, throw them into jail. So people feel forced to Rematch. It's a option for a reason. And even if you just limit it to Ranked, I still feel like people should be able to choose if they want to rematch. Because, sure you can cheese it and not rematch anyone who could win against you. But this is not a matter of winning Evo or something, it's just a imaginary rank. It's all just about reaching your own goal. And some people don't want to rematch anyone who could beat their ass easily or some people just don't want to fight certain Characters, like I've seen many people who just don't like Eddies. So they don't rematch a Eddy because they just don't want to deal with that character for another 1-2 rounds. Sure you can say "Just learn to fight Character X" but some people don't really want to deep dive into every single nook and cranny. They played their match, didn't plug and just decide "I don't want to fight that character again." Which I would say is ok. Because like I said, it's just Numbers going up and down, someone not rematching to "cheese" or just to avoid certain characters shouldn't be that big of a issue.
You’re not entitled to a rematch. Period. For me I quit out if the points aren’t worth it or if I’m not having fun. If I’m not having fun or going to get enough points for the effort I’m out. It’s a video game. The whole point is to have fun and alot of the Tekken community plays like they want you to stop playing forever
I've stopped complimenting players because no matter how sick their counterplay was against me, most of the time they just end up ki-charging or one-and-done'ing me
my BIGGEST Problem is the crashing, Fallen Destiny & Into the Stratosphere ALWAYS crash mid match (PC), and before the dumb comments, YES, MY MACHINE CAN RUN THE GAME JUST FINE, 2k maxed out solid 60FPS, but those f***ng stages crash guaranteed
How is it hard to determine who quit first exactly? Wouldn't it simply come down to "the first person that did a thing to quit the fight"? How does one even quit a game in such a way as to where the game doesn't clearly know if it was you or the opponent that did the thing to quit the fight?
Most likely because the connection drops simultaneously on both ends. I’m sure there are counter measures to actually detect some forms of plugging (like checking who alt+F4’d, who had task manager open, who opened the PS menu etc.) but for some reason we don’t have that.
This is my first Tekken game (I'm 20 and I've been a fighting game fan since I was a kid, growing up playing Mortal Kombat, Smash, Street Fighter, Injustice, and even played Pokken), and with the short amount of time I've had with the game, I've had probably 3/4 of my opponents refuse to rematch me. And when I'm a complete noob to this game getting 75% of my health taken by an online Jun in one unbreakable string and that person refuses to do a rematch, it kinda boils my blood. It's like you said, Smash is the same way, but in my opinion it's worse in this game because the game actively has a Best of 3 mechanic. In Smash you can rematch the same person to infinity and lose everything. In Tekken, the worst you can lose is two matches. Even worse that it's happening at ranks where you cant even lose your rank, like what would it hurt to just do a rematch, you lose nothing except your time and gain everything by winning bro. Still loving my time though, and hopefully this becomes less of an issue as the game's life continues (though somehow I doubt it)
Biggest pet peeve in fighting games is when they win the first game then I win the second game and they leave for the third. FINISH THE SET MOTHERF#@$^ER!!!!!
The only time I quit a 3rd match was when someone Ki charged me over and over in the 1st match and I lost. So, in the 2nd round, I won, ki-charged and cancelled even though they quickly rematched. I don't want to give them the satisfaction to rebound from that wreckage.
A simple solution for players to be more willing to play full sets is to either give more incentives to do so, or consequences to those who don't. Example, they make it so you get bonus rank points the more games you play out if you win, and less if you just win 1 game then leave.
Brawlhalla has a great system for handling disconnections: if your opponent disconnects, an easy mode bot takes over your opponent's character. That way the match can finish & you get your points.
Yes! As a Xiaoyu player (Eightykakes, XBOX), I feel I have to naturally adapt on the fly anyway. So when people quit that second match, I feel robbed of an opportunity to see if my adaptation skills are adequate. It’s no salt, just frustrating. “Oh, I didn’t enforce XYZ and they mixed me with this but I know what I need to do and… oh, they quit”. 😐
Instead of actually helpful updates that address issues, we need more monetization and Bamco taking down mods. Current Tekken 8 is genuinely frustrating.
I've honestly already sold my tekken 8 copy. The fact that you cant even deathmatch IN QUICK PLAY is a major red flag and shows that they're pandering to the casuals who only want to boost ego and not actually get good at the game and the minute I win with a character they dont like fighting they just leave. To many problems i'll stick with playing smash melee, ultra sf4, umvc3, mvc2 and other games that actually have players that want to fight not just cheese and run.
Sf5 was not popular and niether was 4. Capcom straight up said those games almost put it out of business until monster hunter world came out and saved em
@@sky-oq5mr You're clearly making stuff up. SF4 sold over 10 million copies (all 4 versions added together) and single handedly made fighting games mainstream again, and SF5 sold over 7 million copies by the end of 2022 despite being a flop from 2016 to early 2018.
@@lukejones7164 stop making up stuff buddy. Sale numbers alone are completely irrelevant in fighting games. Sale numbers can get boosted by a successful franchise’s title like DBFZ, which also sold more than 10 million and then there were like 2 full lobbies (128 people) in every region after a few months. Calling SF5 a massive success with any kind of gamers is a huge reach in itself.
@@ErmiGultro You are clearly in denial 🤣. Sale numbers ALWAYS matter in video games since they are the biggest sources for revenue in games besides post launch content. Capcom themselves acknowledged SF5 as a success in 2020, get real
The only time I dont rematch is when the opponent is just trying to troll me and not actually play the game, or if the connection is just unplayable of course, if someone doesnt rematch after losing I just mutter "coward" and move on lol
They should give a little bonus rank to the winner of a full set. Meaning if you make it to game 3 the winner gets maybe 100 additional points. That way people are encouraged to stay.
and make the loser lose less points to entice the worse player acceepting the match.
@@balazstoth7061 this tbh. Its not keeping the winning player that is the challenge it is getting the losing player to keep playing
@@casbalt7763actually no, the winner is actually the one that has less salt, and wants to take the points and run.
@@nigelstanford4 Not in my experience, but different experiences may vary so I won't say that that doesn't happen. Something should incentivize both players ideally I guess.
@@balazstoth7061 YES YES YES I LOVE YOU WE NEED LAB TIME (Stuck in purple)
Most frustrating thing has the been the community response to the whole thing. So many people talking about “you are not entitled to a re-match”. While i don’t disagree with the sentiment, the fact of the matter is MAJORITY of people not giving rematches is to retain points or because their Ego can’t take a loss. Tekken community is allergic to calling a spade a spade.
I don't rematch on ranked unless I am confident I can win. There is no reward in ranked for rematching someone. That is the game's fault, not the player's. Also, the way the points are given out are complete BS, nonsensical, and random. Wanna git gud by rematching? Play quick play. We didn't make the rules, the game devs did
Calling a spade a spade here is kinda funny given you are arguing from analogy. You demonstrate cognitive dissonance and allow your personal bias towards people not rematching you be dictated by what you PERCEIVE to be an ego loss. "So many people talking about 'you are not entitled to a re-match "... this would infer that "MAJORITY of people not giving rematches" are following this sentiment for their own personal reasons, but most likely as you claim, you are not entitled to a rematch.
@@Manley156damn that's a lot of big words
@@Manley156 no but youre still a pussy for leaving lol, yea maybe u got busy but i really, really doubt the 500 azucena, victor, king, feng, and drag mains all had a call in from work.
i dont rematch kings and hwo
I also hate it when you take the first set then your opponent takes the next set then just leaves. Its like bro come on..........
All the fucking time...finally a good fighting game and this shit is goin on...
@@OpeSnaps it's very disappointing
@Unknownengima0 I've done that 1 time and it was a feng who ki charged and demoted me second game I won ki charged ranked up and left. The guy deserved it imo.
@@phriscalmer8740 ki chargers and teabaggers are different. They are in the same league for me as laggy people. They get no rematches whether i win or lose. They give no respect, they get none.
I blame the devs for making it only 1st to 2. Most competitive mindset people want to play a good opponent for longer, instead of sifting back through disconnection rates.
The manners in tekken are insane. People get insanely pissed if you land one low hit and start spamming lows in the orange ranks, then in the red ranks they ALWAYS try to kick you after the round ends. But if you do the same to them? Good god, you think you’d killed their beloved pet the way they lose their shit
I find this to be so common with grabs too. If you land a grab mix-up, I find very often the opponent will start spamming throws back. This happens so frequently that I've found it's easy to predict and just start punishing them for trying to throw me lol
@@kyleannen731Also true. Land a grapple on an orange rank Dragonuv and he’s gonna start going for that tackle grab every chance he gets
@@kyleannen731 I think many players just forget throws exist and when you throw them they suddenly remember lol
@@kyleannen731 I love it when they do that. I'm always surprised by how rarely people throw. How am I going to practice teching if people won't throw unless they're king? I throw all the time. It's good for you.
@@garymichalles8383 months into a games life I will have those moments, and naturally my reaction is to try and "cement" the idea so I end up doing the thing tons in that match. Sucks cause yeah, I get blown up for it but honestly in my case it's just... Yeah you reminded me that exists so imma use it now lmao
Honestly I don't know why more fighting games don't take a note out of Killer Instinct's book and just force the best of 3 if you're in a ranked setting.
Gold vs Killer or Killer vs Killer matches require one player to win two matches before they get any points. I'm a firm believer that this should be a standard going forward for all ranked modes, without limiting it to high ranks.
Specifically because of this issue; the system calls you out for being a fraud if you can't adapt.
Cause forcing a best of three will REALLY discourage pluggers then 🙄
Takes too long, wouldn't want that.
Enemy dude is lagging > i dont rematch > i am considered bad guy
@@sky-oq5mr It takes too long to play the game you’re playing? What? Go play something else then my dude lol.
@@sky-oq5mr literally every other ranked system in other genres forced you to play a full match. A match in Valorant can be 40 mins but people don't complain cause they understand it's ranked and u should have the ability to come back but in FGs for some reason in ranked we act likeyou can just leave whenever and run gimmicks like it's no biggie. You should have to run the set
It was definitely shocking going from Street Fighter 6 where in my 500 hours I've only had 2 people in Ranked that I can remember that quit out before the set was over because they were on the brink of death; then going to Tekken 8 and it happens all the time, and NO ONE rematches.
Crazy, isn’t it?
It’s because unlike in Tech in street fighter has a system that stops this kind of plugging. It’s called yellow card.
@@Dragonborn1178 how is not rematching plugging lol. why should you get forced to play another set where you know you will get stomped and not learn anything.
@@flamemon11I would rather try again and risk getting my ass whooped again. I would rather have the opportunity to learn and adapt
yup sums up my experience, i had a dude literally plugging then going on my steam profile to call me racist slurs just cuz i was playing king.. theres so many angry players on tekken ranked actually nuts lol
Losing is part of the fun, because then you can learn.
Rank systems add this layer of intensity where people focus solely on the climb and are TERRIFIED of the fall, which is part of growing as a player, and even a person, in any setting. You gotta fail before you fly, but these fighting games with ladders inherently tell players they're bad or it's bad to lose through negative reinforcement and people with Max's mentality become the exception, not the rule, which flies in the face of fighting games as a whole.
And if you'd remove the ladders, the people who derive actual thrills and pleasure from putting in the work and watch their rank rise are punished. I really don't know what you can do to square this circle.
This happens in Casual Matches too
wrong. it's part of your fun
Losing isn't fun.
Nah. Ranked ain't practice mode. GTFO😂😂😂
I think a way to solve this is to incentivise people to run the set back rather than just one and doneing, whether that's higher Tekken Prowess awarded for completing a 3 match set or higher reward points for the Battle Pass Missions. I don't know.
Abut 100 comments down, and someone finally gets it. It amazes me how little people think
That wouldn't do anything!!
Those dudes just don't like losing, so they quit...
@@lucas-xf7rc I dunno I agree that some people who are just sore losers will quit no matter what, but the sting of loss isn't as bad if you keep in the back of your mind that you're getting rewarded with something.
@@KiddCrowley I suppose that could help, but I think that this "Boom" of quitters is more about the unwillingness to learn how to be good, rather than it is about the rewards you can get.
If a person doesn't want to put in the time to learn how to get decently good at the game, that's fine, since it can be quite time consuming. However, knowing how to take a loss is something that game Devs can't teach...
@@lucas-xf7rc you take the loss.... not rematching isnt the same as plugging. They just dont want to get destroyed by someone thats lives and breathes the game again for that persons enjoyment.
Lol I play fighting games to just kick people and survive as long as I can. I can win, lose, or draw. I don't be caring too much if they spam, troll, or pick a "top tier" character. I just enjoy understanding patterns and having fun with the character I like.
That's a good mindset. You're playing against random people. People can't expect everybody to have the same attitude toward fighting games.
Same. :D
Man draw is really fun in 8. I had my first draw in ranked playing against very good Nina, she won the first and the second a draw in the final round like three seconds left and then two more games again, damn. Its more impactful in this game for sure
This is what wisdom looks like.
Yeah, some people use top tier characters not because they are the strongest. It's because they like that character
When playing in elite smash, i faced a guy playing as sonic. He would hang around the edge, constantly charging his rolling attacks, and just wait for you to approach. The moment you get hit off stage, he would use his spring to try and gimp your jump and kill you. If he got up by a stock, he would RUN AWAY for the rest of the match, to time you out. Oh, and he would set the timer to the shortest possible. It was infuriating.
I happen to get him again a couple matches later, but this time i got up by one stock. So i gave him a taste of hos own medicine and avoided him the whole time. But just before the match ends, he quits...so i dont gain any points...yeah he was blocked after that
Least annoying Sonic player.
During the Brawl days, I ended up accepting a team match with three people I'd been interacting with online for months; seemed like a good idea at the time. What I didn't expect was that any time my teammate and I were about to win, one of the two others would DC. It's something to DC on strangers you'll never meet, but in friendlies against folks you will generally run into again ? I actually didn't believe it at first, but after the third time in a row, there was little mistaking it. The guy in question was very toxic when he did win, as well. Still confuses me to this day, nobody was spamming or anything either, pretty basic matches all around.
Other adjacent story, brought Melee to a party that one time, ended up having to leave for a few hours so I could only play a match against this guy I'd known for a few years before I had to go. Ended up winning, but not by a lot, cool match. Didn't want to boast so I kept it low key, and then left the Gamecube behind until I got back since they had nothing else planned and all.
Turns out while I was away, the guy ravaged my controller (see the plastic making the joystick round ? He clawed that shit off, very thoroughly might I add) . A friend later told me he was enraged for a good while because I didn't, and he quoted, "celebrate enough for managing to beat him".
this is the reason why i dont play online game
Pluggers are the biggest annoyance ever.
That issue is essentially gone, I never match with high disconnection rate. I haven't been plugged on since they fixed that display since i dont accept people with high disconnection rates. You should move on to the next issue, as this shouldn't be happening anymore.
@AlphaNexusOmega It does, alot. I get disconnected on by people with 0-2% rates.
I think if a person feels they can't beat you they have every right to pull the plug on a match I do it all the time. It doesn't hurt anyone.
based pluggers
if you're doing that in Tekken then you're most definitely part of the problem..... @enterusername4650
I really can’t stand people who instead of instantly denying your match they wait the full 10 seconds for the thing to pass
Honestly more like a problem in fighting games in general
He mentioned that, but it’s especially bad in Tekken.
I had no one quit on me in guilty gear and like 10 in total in sf6 (around 130hrs)
Could never be gbfvr
Ok so when I comment something like this people condemn me but when this guy does it he gets praised. Wtf is wrong with you people.
Sounding a little entitled @@enterusername4650
Recently I played a match against a Lars and lost. The guy refused the rematch and added me in a group chat called “OWNED” which was full of people he’s one and doned.
Every now and then he’ll send a clip to it saying “lol look how I destroyed this guy” and more often than not, it is always the last round with one hit to take it for either side
Sheesh, now that’s a toxic player! 😬
sounds like 96 percent of the FGC most players are scum and brag about Victories they won underhanded they don't deserve their rank you can tell the difference between a player who actually plays Fighting games as oppose the majority of the community who look up cheats on youtube and then look for broken exploits. basically fighting games have always this large group of fake fighters who claim they are good but when they get pressured like Max mentioned they refused to adapt these players are one trick ponies
I would never play against him again. And ofc if you fought him again and won he wouldn’t mention that
Take comfort in the big possibility that they get VERY upset if they lose. If they're that toxic when they win, it's probably worse for themselves when they lose. Even if they don't show it, it's probably in their head, the best place for ego deflation.
That might be the most pathetic thing I've heard lmao.
I feel the exact same way when someone one and dones me. Let me adapt bro, come on.
You're probably spamming with an S tier char😂
@@AsukasButleryou'd probably RQ against a Miguel lol, maybe if you didn't one and done everyone maybe you'd figure out a way to stop their bullshit, but nah you'd rather just get those wins then complain when you lose.
Nah. You should be ready for everything at all times. You can adapt in other matches. This is part of life. Not everyone is gonna let you "adapt." Take your L and STFU and GTFO.
@@AsukasButler you know he spammed with Azuzena or Victor and that's why nobody wanted to play him.
I use DK @@AsukasButler
One thing that gets to me is when my opponent beats me, rematches me, then quits if I beat them, effectively leaving the set 1-1
Honestly grinds my gears more than a one and done
Lmao na for real tho, I hate that shit as well!! Like why be a sore fucking loser!!
So glad I’m not the only one annoyed by that
For me it's annoying when people just disconnect mid game, it just ruins the game man (be ready for a challenge if you want to play online and don't ruin the game for other players like me smh)
Until the game devs give an S, this will continue to happen.
I'm more okay with that than a person who dips regardless if they win or lose, because a rage quit is still a win on your end imo
A one and done is a refusal to engage beyond how THEY play, and I respect that less than a person effectively conceding victory to you via plugging
A plugger makes me laugh, a dipper makes me question why they're even in rank
The only time I ever plug in any kind of fighting game if somebody has a shitty connection I don’t mind people if the connection isn’t perfect but when you’re sitting there and you feel like you’re playing in mud and mashing buttons, thinking you’re cool no that’s when I draw the line
The disconnects are 50/50 too, i feel like they need to or steam needs to fix those server disconnects
@@Dasaltwarrior What is the rematch setup like in tekken8? I havent actually played it yet so dont have the full context.
In my case, I play a lot of gg strive these days, and in that game you can rematch up to two times before it backs out both players to the lobby.
For me in strive, I generally rematch those 2 games. But a lot of times after the game sends us back to the lobby, I look for a new opponent instead of fighting the same person. This is because I often treat ranked mode like a tournament scenario, where I don't get a ton of time with the same person and have to adapt quickly.
If I want repeated matches Ill go to non-ranked.
If the tekken 8 situation that people are describing is like pol dipping after 1 game in strive, then I can see how that'd be annoying.
I really don't understand why it's hard to determine who quit in a match.
I'll have to look it up, it doesn't make much sense to me.
This is about to be Tekken seriously.
Playing the full best of 3 set needs to be FORCED in the game, or you lose points.
Namco needs to have 2 options: 1 fight or the best of 3. If the player rage quits it counts as a loss.
best of 3 is just as dumb as 1 fight lol... oh boy... A WHOLE OTHER MATCH..... that changes EVERYTHING! smh.
Ranked should be FT10 if you ask me if you lose 5/0 then you can leave if you want.
If you're in ranked... and you quit after 2 wins, or like 1 loss and 2 wins.... and you play like this.... and leave after 2 losses....... then your rank is simply fraudulent. Your rank just does not represent your skill level..... It's inarguable. It's 2+2=4.
If someone who played like this sat down for a 5 hour session, and hit nothing but rematch unless they lost 5/0 (or 10 games in a row if they won at all) they would lose no less than 5 ranks before that 5 hour session ended. They would be bumped down to whatever rank represented their skill.....
Remember when playing games was mostly more about having fun? Sadly, fun has left the building.
And this is why I NEVER play online as a whole, especially with fighting games. I am perfectly fine playing against an actual friend IRL or CPU.
The toxicity of the online community is absolutely disgusting.
@@shatteredteethofgod Honestly? I'd just go with the flow. My own flow, that is. I'm casual as casual can be, so better not expect too much of a fight against me. lol
It's biggest problem is sneaking in microtransactions after reviews went up.
thats quite possibly the least of tekken 8's problems.
@@rpemulis Bandai Namco's executives agree with you
This is insignificant
@@cosmosofinfinity i don't care what they agree with, i'm not buying microtransactions. i want the netcode to not be ass, i want to be able to play more than 5 minutes at a time before having to requeue and filter through 8 wifi matches before getting a hardwired.
i try not to care when my opponent leaves after one match, but i do love mirror matches and i would love to keep fighting in a mirror match. recently ppl just leave. it makes me sad.
I've ran into so many one & done players on T8 recently. It only seemed to ramp up when Eddy Gordo got added. You'll run into players spamming his strings, and once you figure them out, they'll leave after you beat them.
Good? Did you want to fight another masher exploiting a knowledge gap stomping scrubs? Let em go
Uh, obviously. What's the benefit of playing again if you think you will lose? Blame the system, not the player
It sucks, because Tekken takes longer to learn and adapt over a set than other fighting games in my experience, so for it to have the most toxic culture of a JP fighting game hamstrings it quite a bit I feel
Like I've had cheaters, 1 and dones, and rage quits in SF6, but I learn so much quicker, AND get matches quicker that it doesn't matter
@@AsukasButlergetting better so you won't lose when they figure the 2 strings you know? Lmao
@@AsukasButlerGit gud
One issue I have with a “jail” matchmaking is that on the one map Fallen Destiny (or whatever it is called, the one in the middle of a storm at the ocean) I consistently get a fatal UE error that kills the game that I’ve tried so many fixes for and none work. Like quitting sucks but I don’t think there is a way to differentiate someone closing the game and it crashing so people could get the “bad apple” matchmaking through no fault of their own.
It’s honestly the main reason I personally wasn’t playing much outside of player matches with friends cause I don’t want to start loading into a match and see that it is basically on a timer cause the random map we got is going to inevitably crash my game.
I’m pretty sure it is an AMD issue but I don’t know and since the last time I played it wasn’t fixed.
AMD user here, and I have had absolutely no issues with the game or it crashing on me.
This might sound harsh, but if a "jail" exists it exists to isolate the problematic players, then anyone should be included if they're crashing or disconnecting that much in ranked.
Hope the problem gets sorted for you with a patch soon, tho.
I've stopped playing Tekken 8 now, but I experienced it on my Intel CPU and NVIDIA GPU setup.
Try adding "-sm5" to the game's launch options. Didn't crash on Fallen Destiny for some time. Card AMD 6900xt.
@@DeviloooCry I’ll definitely try that, thanks for the advice
I don't think he's talking necessarily about pluggers... he's talking about people just quitting after 1 or 2 games.
If I get a straight disconnect I can't really be angry because there are so many reasons that could happen other than plugging..... However, when I'm in a match and they win the first, then I win the second in a very close great game... then they just scroll down to "next opponent" or "quit" or w.e it is..... there is nothing fuckin worse to deal with in a fighting game.
Generally, I think the best way to fight this problem is to simply allow players to see their opponents name, character, connection, and disconnect percentage and then let them decide if they want to play. Super simple, allows people to dodge characters they would DC against, allows everyone to see the rage quitters and avoid them, everyone's happy.
Smash has the absolute worst online community. It wasn't always so bad, Smash 4 was good, but when Ultimate came out with the point system, just ruined everything. Almost everyone in Ultimate is a campy, rage quitting one and doner, its hilariously sad.
Really makes me think the only thing that works for Smash players is hiding your ELO/rank whatever.
Take out seeing the character, and this is a good idea. People shouldn’t be punished for picking a character. Strong or not. That’s something that’s just in the game and you the player have to adapt to it until they change it.
@RanOutOfSpac I used to think that, but now I think it's a good compromise. I saw it work in Guilty Gear Strive, that's what changed my opinion. Ultimately, people not wanting to play with certain characters is a non issue, because if they hate them that much, then they are very likely to rage quit on them anyways. It saves time to simply allow dodging.
@@GawainSSB Good points. I still don’t like the idea, but can’t argue with that.
I got my fun out of Tekken 8. Great gameplay, but after awhile the over-tuned top tier characters/moves and a complete lack of a system to handle quitting just burns me out on the experience. I'd still rate it highly as I got plenty of hours out of it, just being honest with why I stopped. Went back to Street Figher 6 and enjoying it greatly again.
Yeah, that’s pretty much what most pro players are saying as well dude there’s so much mashing online as someone who is an average player not a super pro in Tekken seven the mashing in the new game is crazy the older games I could play strategic and tech and eight I feel like I’m dealing with some child pressing buttons or playing on casual mode or just throwing out random things and random rage moves
@@Dragonborn1178 I don't mind players mashing. But I don't like I am essentially doing 50/50 casino when I am backed against a wall or corner. It's particularly egregarious especially against characters like Dragunov, Eddy, King, etc.
Agreed 100% I have also dropped the game because the online experience is very poor and it’s all the communities fault.
Nice
since its hard to decermine who quit,
they should do something similar to the behaviour score from dota2.
you start with a perfect score of 100%.
every time a disconnect happens, both players loose points, every game that is played in full recopers your score a bit.
the matchmaking system tries to match people with similar behavior scores.
people that occasionally face quitters recover their scores, while the quiters score sinks further.
it should be a bit more finegrained than that explanation, but thats the gist of it.
he's tlaking about people who play one match then click next opponent instead of rematch.... plugging is different... when someone disconnect you can't really know if they did it on purpose...
Max is talking about people who play 1 or 2 games then quit because they know they can't use their shitting gimmicks and your lack of character knowledge against you if they keep rematching....
When I play someone who is obviously not a good player, and they beat me in the first game because they use one of the 1000's of gimmicks in tekken that anyone who isn't a 10 year legacy player won't recognize and figure out right away, then play again and win again in a very close match... they will quit because they know that if they keep playing they'll never win another game if they rematched 500 times.
This is accurate!!!! I can't stand how people have such a HUGE EGO with this game. Why are people afraid to lose???
People are obsessed with winning in Tekken or fighting games in general, because that's the only progression they see. Sure you unlock fight money for costumes, but there aren't that many items in the game so you do it pretty quick and the battle pass sucks. Fighting games really need to take a page from CoD. A lot of ppl don't care whether they win or lose, they just want to unlock camos. Fighting games need a camo like grind or just other modes besides ranked and casual. So even if a casual isn't winning they can't have fun and feel like they are progressing in some way while playing.
For all fighting game for sure BUT ESPECIALLY in Tekken , I'm feeling the one and done more on this game after adapting to the match up
You had the Conqueror mode in Tekken 5 that was exactly for that. Each character that you played in that mode would rank up like in an online ladder mode, and each level unlocked customization for that specific character. It was a pretty fun way to learn each character too since it would get actually rough at the last levels.
It's why everytime I can send a msg with my matchmaking stuff in games it's "I hope we can both improve!"
I don't really care as much about who wins or lose, I wanna try to do cool shit with my character and show off what I've learned - and sometimes get absolutely bodied by someone who also is showing off what they learned.
All this rank problem is frustrating to me. Not just because I want more opportunities to learn not just character match ups and individual playstyles, but because I know those that are chasing points are trading short term gains for long term losses. Sure, they'll rank up quickly now... but let them get high enough to fight people that know what they're doing. If they're not going to take the time to learn the game as they rank up, I doubt they'll do it when they plateau. So it creates a frustrating online experience. I feel like I'm waiting for the rank chasers to quit playing, as they probably will long term.
IDK how these people look at their rank and feel any sense of accomplishment AT ALL.... people who do this have fraudulent ranks..... If they were to sit for 5 hours without quitting at all in ranked they'd lose 5 ranks within 3 hours and completely end the experiment and break their controller.... punks......
It's why I quit playing tekken... a game that has 5000+ different moves in which you have to know when the string ends... if it's negative 11 or negative13 to punish correctly, or if it ends in a high that you can duck.... having people quit after 1 or 2 matches just makes the game unplayable... ACTUALLY unplayable.. I love tekken... I think it's fun... I want to get better at it... but I haven't even bought tekken 8 because of this issue.... I won't do it to myself...
People can lock into a 40 minute LoL game but not a ft2 and thats what gets me
The problem with locking someone in a first to 3 is that sometimes people have shit to do.
I’ve had great matches that I couldn’t continue because something came up. I shouldn’t be penalized for that, because my only recourse in that situation would be to turn my console off instead of ending the match cleanly.
Terrible justification. If you have to leave mid set, leave with your game still going. Shit happens, you lose a couple points. Or quit out. If it’s once in awhile you won’t be penalized. Go the extra mile by messaging your opponent when you have a chance. But if you’re consistently too busy to AT MOST have 9 minutes of your time taken (3 rounds, 60 seconds each, best two of three) then another solution for you, don’t play ranked. Your life’s schedule isn’t important enough to ruin ranked for everyone else my dude.
@@RanOutOfSpac Holy shit go outside this is some extremely deluded thinking. People have lives
@@Manley156 Then go live it. I want to play Tekken.
@@Manley156 Couldn’t agree more.
@@Manley156 I partly agree. Shit comes up. But maybe you shouldn't be playing games if you're that pressed for time.
As the noob being stomped, this is why I want surrender buttons in fighting games. I will not rage quit, but if I'm completely outclassed, I don't want to wait to look for a fellow noob I might stand a chance against.
then keep rematching, it's the only way to get better.
I won't play tekken anymore because of the reason max is talking about... I stopped playing a few years ago because of this exact reason.
But I AM playing MK1 now, and I'm playing people online who aren't great so I bug my friend every day to play because he can fuckin absolutely MOP ME 100-0 ATM..... but if I keep playing him he'll only mop me 100-10 and barely anyone else who plays his character would even have a fuckin chance against me.
If ur being stomped then figure out why... adapt... Look for what ur getting hit by... then wait for them to do it again and try something you think might beat it.... and if that doesn't work... try something else until you find the answer...
Once you do find the answer though, they'll just quit on you. 😅
Pluggers situation get worse as the higher ranks you go (Currently at about Kishin). I thought that as you climb higher people would be more incline to play the game honestly (not plugging and following through with the best 2 out of 3).
I also want to call out the Tekken 8 ranking system kind of encourage people to not follow through with the 2 out of 3 matches more at the higher ranks because they made the rank point gain system in a way that you need to be on a win streak to rank up in the higher ranks. So if someone wins/lose a close match, it does make sense to not gamble on a close match, but rather so find someone to stomp on just to get the win streak just to be able to climb.
The problem with Tek8's rank mechanic is it's been completely scrubified. 9/10 fights I have with red and purple ranks don't have them use more than a single juggle all match, they just abuse overtuned character BS they saw on RUclips and they're able to climb into high ranks with ease. It's a joke when compared to previous Tekkens.
seeing players with God of Destruction ranks with 30 defense rating because they did what you said is what makes ranking up in this game not feel satisfying at all.
Yup. I met my first pluggers in red ranks. Seeing more and more 1 and dones too.
Your first mistake was assuming players at high ranks are actually skilled and honest. Tekken 8 was made to carry braindead morons. I'm currently Kishin with Jin and it's *rare* when you fight someone who isn't overly dependent on heat/RAs and actually puts thought into the match. Rank is basically a facade in this game.
Mortal Kombat Quitalities are the BEST answer to Ragequitting. Not winning anything because you finally adapted to the teabagger who ragequit while funny is still bad. You should always be rewarded for literally staying in the game. It just sucks that the engine sometimes can't tell who ragequit if both sides have bad wifi and that goes for a lot of games.
It do tells and after a match it says this persons left the game (well who every name it is)
I get being pissed when if ppl do a 1 and done on ranked. Its proper form to give them the rematch. Here's the thing though. Once you get to the blue levels, if you lose 3 ranked games in a row you lose 1k points on the 3rd game no matter the rank. Even below blue there's the fact that you lose the same amount of points to people ranked above you, and lose fewer points if you lose to ppl ranked below you.
The biggest reason I'll skip rematches isn't even the opponent, its the stages. If I'm playing Kazuya, my big damage relies entirely on there being a wall. So if I get colloseum or whatever the tree place is, I don't get the wall. I don't have combos to get them close enough to the wall, so I gotta compromise by going for reset setups which I have very few of. And this gets even more infuriating when you're up against Dragunov or Lee who can just carry you to just shy of the wall from center stage off of their combos. In short, if I replay on those stages I am effectively handicapping myself.
A lot of ppl in here talk about how you should just rematch to learn... but this ranking system doesn't encourage that.
I remember when the game first dropped everyone was playing full sets. Even got friend requests from having good fights. Now its like a rare thing to play the full set in either quick match or ranked.
Yes yes and yes.
They seriously need to follow the MK 1 Quitality method. Plugging with no consequence is why ppl don’t bother continue playing online
Also gives the plugger a loss, which is what I think needs to happen if you quit mid match regardless
not even necessarily talkign about pluggers... just talking about people who play 1 or 2 or 3 close matches then just quit.... It's the most frustrating thing I've ever run into... I love tekken... but I stopped playing it years ago because of this.
For instance, in tekken 7 there were like 50 or more characters which means there was FIVE THOUSAND MOVES..... how can you learn match ups and get better at the game in a game with 5000 moves when people leave after 2 close matches... it's fuckin ridiculous and unplayable.... I won't even buy tekken 8 because of this reason and I actually want to play it! But I just can't with this community, I simply can't.
@@upplsuckimcool16 by grinding single mode, that's what it's for.
@@admontblanc that won't help with playing against real people...
Going in the lab and labbing everything sure... but that's impossibly boring especially with that many characters and moves.
I totally agree. With tekken 8 making it so that you can only do a ft2 it makes it all the more frustrating when people win/lose quit on you. It makes sense to force a ft2 but then if there is lag detected to a significant level the players should be able to back out obviously. It’s all such a tricky thing to figure out
people dont play for fun . They play for ego . This world taught them that losing is bad and then youre the worst. But truth is the one who know how to lose is sometimes the real winner. its a part of the process . You cant have joy of winning if you cannot find joy in losing
People fail to understand the idea of a fighting game. you play fighting games to beat up people, win or loss. You don't play it to only win.
That's not a T8 problem that's an online problem. Happens in SF6, MK, etc. The solution is to force people to play out the full FT2 set and if you quit before completion of it, you get the L for game 2 and/or 3. This is one of the only good things MK11 did right and I think that should be the standard for FG ranked. If you can't afford to play out a full FT2 set then play a casual set.
Facts
Only times I don’t rematch:
1. Slideshow connection
2. Opponent’s rank is so much lower that I’d lose a massive amount of points if they just so happen to play a perfect game even though I’d only get like 90 for a win.
Pretty sure I’ve only denied a rematch like maybe 5 times since launch.
100% Feel the exact same way! They need to do a 5 round test run. 5 rounds offers enough time to adapt and mount comebacks. I also believe it will slow down the matches. Cause who wants to be down 3-1 or 4-0. Plus those comebacks would be epic to experience.
I super appreciate you saying that people with bad connections dont need to be put in plugger jail. Im rural and have the best internet that is available for my area. When tekken 8 came out i kept having issues with disconnect and just had to stop playing out of fear of being lumped in with rage quitters. While my connection is now more stable i have an issue where the game wont let me rematch around when i get to warrior rank. It just completely kicks me out of online after the error code.
Max is old school. These new age players with their tiktok brains simply wanna move on to the next thing. Happens everywhere; everyday.
It’s just that this ranking system is so fuckin brutal. You win a match and get nothing for points but god forbid you lose you’re sent back to beginner basically
its hard to learn match ups
Lag switching is becoming a bigger problem now that leaving has consequences
I agree with the people saying they shouldn't be forced into a set but actually encourage people to play a full set
This happens often in Super Smash online, rarely do people rematch
The most casual games being Tekken, MK and Smash having the most one-and-dones, or BM in general, makes sense.
Many casuals have the wrong mindset and hop online to get a quick dopamine rush like in many other genres. And in those it's mostly defined by "winning".
Having a healthy, competitive relationship with FGs requires a different one though which is finding the fun in the little things you manage to do in a match and discover new things about your character.
But those tend to get overshadowed when you only look at the bigger goal of winning.
cause I'm bad at everything no matter how much time I put into it, so when I lose all the time it makes me want to end myself.
Yeah, even SF6 had this issue on release when the casuals jumped into ranked after world tour. I hope it will go away soon. Probably around mid summer we will have to core Tekken fanbase that’s not mentally weak to seeing “you lose”
Worth Noting that if the person one and doning is a casual (and it is not always) , this isn't necessarily because of the L. Many casuals just aren't aware that there is a such etiquette in the FGC and just want to fight a bunch of different people.
I didn't think about it myself before I started watching FG videos (thankfully I don't really play online anyway, so I didn't cause too much trouble) , and when I told a friend playing SF6 online that he should rematch, he just went "hey, that makes sense, never thought about it" and started rematching.
In fact, it's especially likely if they don't particularly care about the L, they don't really care to find out who is the truly without a doubt the best between them and the random person they're fighting online.
Guess the best thing to do is to get the information out there in a way that it will be seen by the most people.
It's the 1v1 factor. In team based PVP or PVE games, you can have a bad match and still get carried by your team to a W, or vice-versa. It could be you picking up the slack from your teammates.
In fighting games, it's always personal.
This is just andecdotal, but as a casual player idk if I agree that's the source. I've played a lot of Guilty Gear: Strive, which as far as I know has a pretty big casual audience, and people will ALWAYS rematch until the end, a lot of the time even coming back for extras after they lost. The only exception being if it was super uneven, but even then often they will come back for an ass kicking.
Now part of the reason is probably that the ranking system is less punishing (until you get to max rank), but I'll get so many one-and-dones after THEY WON, even if it wasn't a super close match.
As for other BM like teabagging and shit talking, it happens but is still very rare, much rarer than in Tekken 8.
I don't do this anymore but whenI started playing Tekken 8 i had never played a fighting game online before and didn't realize this was bad manners. I one and doned because my wrist was absolutely fucked after a single match until I swapped controllers.
omg THANK YOU for mentioning Smash, because i literally got hella burned out last night for the same exact shit and decided to take a break for a good while. If I had any local scenes and enough time in my life I would gladly ditch the online, but i have no other options.
I'll stick to T8 for the time being, since at least I can practice every now and then.
Thank you for explaining and having me understand how players like me (one and done) can be annoying, but I CAN say I love the 2 outta 3 mechanic Tekken 8 has. I no longer one and done, I'll smack the rematch button knowing I'll really be here with this one opponent for only 3 matches, not stuck in a rematch loop fighting the same guy🤣
I honestly noticed that the higher ranks I went up in Tekken, I found myself stuck with single matches with no rematches or people using the "no contest" system during the first match if things don't go their way. It definitely has been a pain to play especially when I want to get better.
that's because those scrubs don't belong that high up in the ranks, their rank is completely fraudulent.... How they can look at their rank with any pride AT ALL is beyond my capacity to understand.
1 match punks... 2 match punks..... just simply punks.
The difference about BM in Mortal Kombat is that the fatalities and brutalities are designed for that purpose; personally, I don't get angry when someone performs a fatality or brutality on me because at least it's fun to watch them.
Win or lose and believe me, I play Lars and I be getting my ass KICKED sometimes.... But I will ALWAYS REMATCH!!! Simply because I hate it when people one done me, like bro I just downloaded you, let me kick your ass now or they lose and leave, Like bro come get yo win back lol.
Y'all crying over one and dones. Please move on with your lives. I dont care about that. What i care for is banning the rage quitting clowns in matches. One and done arent hurting nothing. So what.
If you don’t care, don’t mention it.
@RanOutOfSpac This is the comment section, That "if you don't care why bring it up" shit is old. Get a new line clown.
@@RanOutOfSpac You must be a rage quitter.
@@KamiKoroshi_ Lmao no. You must be a one and done’r.
@@RanOutOfSpac Believe what you want. But at least i ain't no coward rage quitter like most of y'all. The people that literally quit in the middle of a match.
I hate it to. I'm all about having a good fight and learning from experience. If I lose it just makes me wanna try harder. So many just wanna win even if it means spamming
Rage quitting mid fight I’m 100% against and it should be met with harsh punishment. However, while frustrating, I don’t feel that people owe me a rematch. Everyone’s got a life, you never know what’s going on in the real world.
"I'm getting frustrated... it must be the game's fault! Such bad game design!"
Is literally our current gaming generation, cannot tell you how many timed I have heard people say this in the past few months.
I quit the first match if I vs eddy😭 eddy is crazy to vs
Win or lose, eddy don't get a rematch
@@Shoto_Mist "WEAK" -Alex, Street Fighter 3rd Strike
"Shameful" -Akuma, Street Fighter 4
I think 1 and doners are a reality of online fighting games. Sometimes the connection is just bad so you quit after one set. Forcing people to play first to 2 would be horrible if you encounter someone that’s lagging badly. Especially since lag switching is a thing.
Didn't Harada say something recently about how todays generation of players don't have the competitive spirit that older generations had. This could be just how todays youth be.
And his generation doesn't have the love and compassion for video games they once did. They try to milk us with all these battle passes and microtransaction
It's not the kids who are plugging me and sending me death threats tbh, it's mostly adults who can't handle their own shit.
No the fuck it isn't it's the new games letting it happen
@sky-oq5mr and it works
Just like with dlc 10 years ago
We spoke with our wallets....and we paid for it
People now accept dlc as the norm.look at the amount of reaction hype big and small channels do for new characters
@MrInsiipid right??
I have encountered online more millenials my age who sound unhinged AF then younger people
The 200 hours spent with Tekken really made me appreciate coming back to street fighter.
To be honest, I totally don't care if people quit after they win the 1st match... It's their choice and I do respect it. The game also allows it. It's not like we have to wait a long time (like in T7) to find another match. Hovewer rage quitters are totally annoying and deserve to loose the points and be banned if they repeat it.
Can’t believe there’s people in the comments pretty much saying they’re entitled to a rematch. I get that it’s annoying when people don’t want to rematch but people have other things to do too.
@@basedmarlon nobody is entitled. But how is it that "people have other things to do too". As if they aren't immediately re-queueing. What a lousy defense.
Facts. Ban the godamn pluggers. I've stopped playing because of this issue. One and done aren't shit. Pluggers have literally ruined the experience. It's sucks.
@@martijn2973tbh it doesn't even matter what they're doing, if they don't want a play a person for whatever reason they don't have to, sure they're pussies or whatever but who cares?
For casual, ya who cares if you leave after one match. We are playing damn ranked here, so your ass should be ready to play the set. We are playing for silly rank points, and I want my silly rank points. Imo, points should only be given to the person who wins the set, not a round.
And I dont give a fuck if you have something to do in five minutes so you dont want to be forced to play a set. Simply dont play ranked.
If you chose to play ranked matched, YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY THE SET FOR YOUR POINTS! And that is how it should have been, but oh well, the player’s pizza might burn or something. We cant have such a thing
I fought a Shaheen and the match was the Tekken I love. No spamming power crushing heat engagers. Just straight up making reads on each other. I won the first match using Claudio, he won the second match then I won the last match. All the rounds were close lol. Fun as hell
Apologies for not being professional at fighting games. Not everyone who plays fighting games are in it competitive. also 6:00 is not true at all. I bought the game just to play the story mode and to not play Tekken 8 online. I enjoy it for the content and not competitive.
Then don’t play ranked. Aka competitive mode. That’s what player/casual matches are for.
@@RanOutOfSpac My point is I play the game offline period. I never buy fighting games for online play. Max is putting all casuals in one group that play online to not get better when most just play it to have fun and not to play it in some competitive way.
@@RanOutOfSpacyou often fight way better players than you in casual matches imo. I avoid casual matches like the plague. I’m not a plugger just throwing that perspective
Its not even about playing competatively. Its mostly about manners. If you win but 1 and done thats just rude. If you lose but 1 and done i think you should try again but i wont blame you.
If you quit out mid match is where the problems lie.
@@rayjohnson863 He didn’t group all the casuals. He was just talking about the casuals that do play online. He also mentioned that the content that T8 has is what attracted the casuals in the first place.
As much as I agree here, there is one problem locking people into FT2. What happens when you decide to play against a wifi as a wired player, and the connection is absolute ass? Am I forced to sit through another lag fest in the hopes than the poor connection doesn't result in a loss?
Thank you for bringing this up Max because I literally was in another RUclips video comment section saying the same thing about why even play a fighting game if you were going to have a poor Sportman mentality and then be entitled about saying that you do not owe another person to rematch and how are you supposed to learn to get better if you were avoiding the characters that you hate to fight so much.
I get it but let’s be honest the real monsters are the guys that leave when it’s 1-1
One thing people seem to not grasp about these concepts is that, no, nobody is really entitled to a rematch or the runback for several reasons. Many folks usually go for the, "They do it to save their points/Rank", but consider that there are other factors at play besides just that notion:
-Nobody's gonna rematch you if there isnt shit to learn. If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent. Nobody's getting their ass whooped 20 times, winning 1, and claiming, "I've learned something", because you really didn't
-You all know damn well a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose. No matter how many messages I get about, "Being a bitch" by my opponent, if I win or lose in a connection where it feels like I am submerged in flan, I aint rematching you, and to claim you haven't done the same thing is preposterous (Don't say it's "different", many of you are getting upset over not hitting rematches period)
-Points and Rank don't mean anything if the person simply doesn’t care. Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible, but take a guess at how many folks either won't rematch because they run into the standard flowchart of each game hundreds of times (I play Ken, I KNOW people don't wanna rematch me in SF, for example).That's enough for them to not wanna rematch people because at that point, they simply don't want to fight the same character again despite possib running into another one, but it's not to insult the opponent. Even then, chances are they either will leave if they win or lose anyway, so taking offense to it is utterly pointless.
I just wanna clarify that I get a bit disappointed for not getting rematches from good connections, but I don't care past that because, again, I am not owed a rematch or a set unless it's a tournament, so no reason to get upset about a "problem" that honestly isn't there besides actuam cheating or ragequitting, IMO.
“If you curbstomp someone ONCe, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent.”
Highly disagree. Many people often have their default strategy which can also be referred to as a flowchart. Really good players are able to learn when the flowchart isn’t working and adapt. With that being said, it’s not uncommon for them to take a little longer. I have had times in which I get perfected and won the set, and have perfected people and they won the set.
@phabiorules You're saying that about people who don't WANT to learn anything past that, though, but I should've clarified a bit better.
Sufficed to say, unless that person isn't actively pushing to get better and doesn't simply care to "git gud" (Max even said in the vid about those who simply want easy wins, because yeah, there are those who simply realize they aren't winning that match and don't care to rematch), yeah, they will be able to tell the disparity off of a single match. It obviously doesn't apply to everyone, but to say it ISN'T true is objectively false-newcomers who just started, but don't understand the nuances of the systems aren't going to "download" anything on their first go-around against someone who has a good/notable amount of leagcy skill and fundamentals, and even in today's fighting game world, it isn't something you get within a quick amount of time. They're likely to move on to the next opponent and find someone equal to their level instead.
"If you curbstomp someone ONCE, that match is enough to tell the disparities in skill between you and your opponent"
So this is a matchmaking issue then, if the skill gap is actually that large. That's not related to whether or not a set should be played out. If anything, that's an argument for sets because it means they'll get out of this rank bracket quicker so you don't get matched with them again. If the skill gap isn't big and you're just getting knowledge checked then the idea of framing the one-and-done as "I can't learn anything" is ridiculous. If you wanted to learn then you would stay and try new tactics, especially with the replay system Tekken 8 has. You're not just playing against a character you're playing against a person, and people have habits you can learn. That's part of the game.
"a shit connection is not worth hitting Rematch when you either win or lose"
The only somewhat valid reason for the game to not force a set, but this shouldn't be the deciding factor. Ultimately it's on the game to mitigate lag-related issues, every other game has to deal with this as well. It shouldn't affect the design of the game modes themselves.
"Someone could simply just wanna play the game and play as many different characters as possible"
Sure, and if it doesn't happen then it is what it is, that's the luck of the draw. It's RANKED. You fight whoever you get matched with. By your logic we should be able to see the character someone plays in the matchmaking pop-up just because it would be more fun for these people. You see why that would be a problem though, right? People would just dodge matchups they're bad at and accept the ones they are good at. That doesn't make for a good competitive mode, and allowing people to choose who they rematch causes a similar problem.
The issue i have is that i lose so much they not only quit but look down on me and trash me about my skills and i just want to have fun at this point in my life
Basically hes explaining the mindset of the modern age gamer.. only interested in 'stunting' on people and pretending to be 'da best' they arent actually interested in becoming amazing , its all about how quick can u look like u own people .. and if they dont get that from any experience they will quit quicker than how quick their attention span is. Honestly it just makes me want to go offline and just play classic games for the rest of my life
Almost every game I played on Tekken 8 today ended after the first match, even the ones I won
I only play ranked and I don’t always rematch. Sometimes I’m busy, sometimes I just don’t want to fight against that character again, sometimes I don’t wanna fight that specific player again because I don’t like the way they fight. The fact of the matter is that if someone doesn’t give you a rematch, you have no idea why unless they tell you. Yall are just assuming that they’re scared to rematch you when there’s countless other possible reasons. Get over yourselves and get out your feelings.
Very well said, and exactly what I came to say (albeit less eloquently). I've been on both ends of the one-and-done, and while I can guess why it happened to me, neither they nor I need to justify the reason for using an in-game feature. Getting angry that someone denied you a rematch is simply an ego problem.
@@Shade84 exactly, sometimes I’ve played a dozen Reina’s in a row and I just don’t feel like fighting another one lol. Or the bears (I always have, and always will hate playing against the bears 🐻 🐼 lol). I’m not running from an opponent because I’m scared lol, I’m just not going to continue to play a game if I’m not enjoying it. It’s crazy that so many people genuinely assume that everyone is just scared of them and that’s why they won’t rematch lol
This is why the current rematch limit hurts so bad: you meet someone really interesting and then after 2 close matches it's already good bye? Come on! I never felt like the unlimited rematches in T7 were a problem and in return got me some really nice sets. Bring those back!
Nobody owes anyone a rematch. If somebody doesn't want to play you anymore regardless if they win or lose it's fine. People really need to stop thinking that everyone has to rematch them.
With that logic, one and doners aren't owed a single match at all, then. So where does that leave us?
@@runbaa9285 I'm glad the tekken devs are graciously donating matches with other people to me after I spent money on this game. There's just too many characters in this game that either are or can be made to be annoying to play against.
Imagine beating level 1 of super mario brothers and then level 1 asks for a rematch, stomps you, teabags your corpse and leaves. You probably should have just taken your points, gone on to f*ck about with level 2 and not worried about how level 1 needs to grow as a mario brother's level.
U must be one of those people he’s talking about☠️🤷🏾♂️
@lazahriowilliams8724 No, I'm an adult.
I think going against plugger is fine, but going against people that don't want to rematch... I don't know. I feel like that's a bit to much. Based on what you are saying, you essentially want to get rid of the option to rematch and basically just force them to Rematch. Because if someone isn't rematching, throw them into jail. So people feel forced to Rematch.
It's a option for a reason.
And even if you just limit it to Ranked, I still feel like people should be able to choose if they want to rematch. Because, sure you can cheese it and not rematch anyone who could win against you.
But this is not a matter of winning Evo or something, it's just a imaginary rank. It's all just about reaching your own goal.
And some people don't want to rematch anyone who could beat their ass easily or some people just don't want to fight certain Characters, like I've seen many people who just don't like Eddies. So they don't rematch a Eddy because they just don't want to deal with that character for another 1-2 rounds.
Sure you can say "Just learn to fight Character X" but some people don't really want to deep dive into every single nook and cranny. They played their match, didn't plug and just decide "I don't want to fight that character again." Which I would say is ok.
Because like I said, it's just Numbers going up and down, someone not rematching to "cheese" or just to avoid certain characters shouldn't be that big of a issue.
You’re not entitled to a rematch. Period. For me I quit out if the points aren’t worth it or if I’m not having fun. If I’m not having fun or going to get enough points for the effort I’m out. It’s a video game. The whole point is to have fun and alot of the Tekken community plays like they want you to stop playing forever
I've stopped complimenting players because no matter how sick their counterplay was against me, most of the time they just end up ki-charging or one-and-done'ing me
my BIGGEST Problem is the crashing, Fallen Destiny & Into the Stratosphere ALWAYS crash mid match (PC), and before the dumb comments, YES, MY MACHINE CAN RUN THE GAME JUST FINE, 2k maxed out solid 60FPS, but those f***ng stages crash guaranteed
How is it hard to determine who quit first exactly? Wouldn't it simply come down to "the first person that did a thing to quit the fight"? How does one even quit a game in such a way as to where the game doesn't clearly know if it was you or the opponent that did the thing to quit the fight?
Most likely because the connection drops simultaneously on both ends. I’m sure there are counter measures to actually detect some forms of plugging (like checking who alt+F4’d, who had task manager open, who opened the PS menu etc.) but for some reason we don’t have that.
We love to see Reina on the thumbnail 😤
Queen of the Iron Fist
@@powerrangerrick4675 YESSSIRRRRRR!!!!
This is my first Tekken game (I'm 20 and I've been a fighting game fan since I was a kid, growing up playing Mortal Kombat, Smash, Street Fighter, Injustice, and even played Pokken), and with the short amount of time I've had with the game, I've had probably 3/4 of my opponents refuse to rematch me. And when I'm a complete noob to this game getting 75% of my health taken by an online Jun in one unbreakable string and that person refuses to do a rematch, it kinda boils my blood. It's like you said, Smash is the same way, but in my opinion it's worse in this game because the game actively has a Best of 3 mechanic. In Smash you can rematch the same person to infinity and lose everything. In Tekken, the worst you can lose is two matches. Even worse that it's happening at ranks where you cant even lose your rank, like what would it hurt to just do a rematch, you lose nothing except your time and gain everything by winning bro. Still loving my time though, and hopefully this becomes less of an issue as the game's life continues (though somehow I doubt it)
Biggest pet peeve in fighting games is when they win the first game then I win the second game and they leave for the third. FINISH THE SET MOTHERF#@$^ER!!!!!
The only time I quit a 3rd match was when someone Ki charged me over and over in the 1st match and I lost. So, in the 2nd round, I won, ki-charged and cancelled even though they quickly rematched. I don't want to give them the satisfaction to rebound from that wreckage.
Hahaha get rekt@@silenthero2795
A simple solution for players to be more willing to play full sets is to either give more incentives to do so, or consequences to those who don't. Example, they make it so you get bonus rank points the more games you play out if you win, and less if you just win 1 game then leave.
YES. People rarely want to rematch and it's like, why the fuck are you playing this game then??
Brawlhalla has a great system for handling disconnections: if your opponent disconnects, an easy mode bot takes over your opponent's character. That way the match can finish & you get your points.
Yes! As a Xiaoyu player (Eightykakes, XBOX), I feel I have to naturally adapt on the fly anyway. So when people quit that second match, I feel robbed of an opportunity to see if my adaptation skills are adequate. It’s no salt, just frustrating. “Oh, I didn’t enforce XYZ and they mixed me with this but I know what I need to do and… oh, they quit”. 😐
Feels like they might have to take away the hud just to keep people from knowing when they should or shouldn’t quit.
Instead of actually helpful updates that address issues, we need more monetization and Bamco taking down mods.
Current Tekken 8 is genuinely frustrating.
I've honestly already sold my tekken 8 copy. The fact that you cant even deathmatch IN QUICK PLAY is a major red flag and shows that they're pandering to the casuals who only want to boost ego and not actually get good at the game and the minute I win with a character they dont like fighting they just leave. To many problems i'll stick with playing smash melee, ultra sf4, umvc3, mvc2 and other games that actually have players that want to fight not just cheese and run.
Both SF4 and later SF5 were massively successful with casual gamers. SF3 was the only Street Fighter game with a near exclusively hardcore playerbase
Sf5 was not popular and niether was 4. Capcom straight up said those games almost put it out of business until monster hunter world came out and saved em
@@sky-oq5mr You're clearly making stuff up. SF4 sold over 10 million copies (all 4 versions added together) and single handedly made fighting games mainstream again, and SF5 sold over 7 million copies by the end of 2022 despite being a flop from 2016 to early 2018.
@@lukejones7164 stop making up stuff buddy. Sale numbers alone are completely irrelevant in fighting games. Sale numbers can get boosted by a successful franchise’s title like DBFZ, which also sold more than 10 million and then there were like 2 full lobbies (128 people) in every region after a few months. Calling SF5 a massive success with any kind of gamers is a huge reach in itself.
@@ErmiGultro You are clearly in denial 🤣. Sale numbers ALWAYS matter in video games since they are the biggest sources for revenue in games besides post launch content.
Capcom themselves acknowledged SF5 as a success in 2020, get real
@@sky-oq5mr lol what? SF4 revived the FGC
In tekken 7 the magic mirror would stop opponents from moving post battle. In tekken 8 it does nothing but not allowing you to see wat they’re doing
The only time I dont rematch is when the opponent is just trying to troll me and not actually play the game, or if the connection is just unplayable of course, if someone doesnt rematch after losing I just mutter "coward" and move on lol