TOYOTA! THIS is REALLY A Horrible Design! You Could've Done This Better!
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2022
- Today we look at one of the worst design starters from Toyota in response to a complaint about the previous location of starters.
Older Toyota V8s used to have the starter nicely tucked away underneath the intake manifold. Most folks complained that this was too complicated and difficult. it actually was not but people wanted the starter on the V8 to be as easy as a 4 cylinder.
So in response Toyota moved the starter outside on the passenger side on their newer V8s which in turn made it worse. A LOT worse!
Replacing this starter requires removing the exhaust manifold. Which if you live in rusty land or not is quite an undertaking simply to replace a starter! Not the greatest design Toyota!
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I love how impartial this channel is. Giving Toyota its praises but still laments it’s faults.
Exactly!
You also inadvertently described the ideal candidate for the president of the United States.
I have a few gripes about Toyota. I could write an encyclopedia about what is wrong with other car companies. What yo9u should be worried about is when people say one company is perfect and has no faults. Then you know you have a cult member.
I did this job about 2 years ago and nearly went crazy. It took me 16-18 hours. Just about everything that could go wrong did. This job is not for the faint of heart.
This is the most mellow attitude I've ever seen or heard about from a mechanic complaining about engineering. Seriously. No swearing, no throwing tools, no big angry vein popping out of the forehead...you know how it usually is.
That’s what JesusChrist does He brings peace to your life and the old you dies away. Seek Jesus while there’s still a chance.
He is literally the Bob Ross equivalent of mechanics. 😎👍
different strokes 4 different folks.
AMD that's him a humble man.
A great example for all the folks that complained about the starter being under the intake manifold, "be careful what you wish for" :) Great video!
Yes indeed
You would think Toyota would react with a friendlier design. They spitefully did the opposite intentionally. No way that could be considered an improvement.
Cadillac used to put it under the intake manifold too, Northstar engine
The smog air pumps are located in the valley that once housed the starter on the 4.7. Those air pumps were located on the right passenger fender well but due to corrosion issues they were relocated.
All those pu**y techs probably do gravy jobs and when they get something involved they b***h about it
Calling out these design choices is incredibly valuable! I hope Toyota is watching and learning. There are so many things on my Toyotas like this, and this channel calling it out and shining light on it is worth its weight in gold. Nice work, sir!
lol, try working on a Ford or Chrysler. I bet those shields are not coming back, most shops don't bother to re-install them..customer will not even notice until the starter is being slowly cooked.
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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@dixon Butters
Indeed yotas sometimes seems to follow the industry standards of the formerly called big three of detroit. It reminds me of the typhoon 4x4 early 90s by GM.
I didnt come across a starter on an early 4.7 under the intake. However, sometime ago i came across a 4x4 tundra with a bad tranny with which out of sheer luck
of a dozen potential candidates to do that job, i was given the honours to do it. So i wondered if i could use a yosemite sam (shoiting from the hip) attitude or bugs bunny's smart alley personality, i chose the latter as usual and it worked.
On hind sight, i do recall of having some difficulty with the starter and to some extend, knowing and learning in the process it wasnt too bad after all.
Good luck.
You need to work on a BMW made after 2000 to appreciate that Toyotas are a darned sight easier to work on than most.
Did this job on my tundra a year ago. Starter went out in the parking lot at work and instead of towing it 50 miles home I decided to go get my tools and come back. Took me roughly 4 hours. Total nightmare. I was able to do the job without removing any of the exhaust and I mangled the heat shields so much that I never put them back in even though I wish I was able to. Toyotas usually aren’t bad to work on but I had some very choice words for their engineers when doing it. I tried explaining to my Chevy friends how hard this job was and they couldn’t understand. I’ll refer them to this video if it ever comes up again. Great video keep up the good work.
I wonder what the consequences are of leaving off the heat shields.
It’s been 50k miles or so. I haven’t had any issues yet. I’m sure it’s beneficial to put them back on but at 10pm finishing it in my work parking lot on a work night I couldn’t care less. Factory starter went out at 120k for reference.
@@grizzlygrizzle running without the heat shield could greatly shorten the life of the starter. However, I am sure replacing the starter the second time will go much faster!
@@politics4816 -- I'm smelling your cookin'. I was thinking about this, though, and it occurred to me that the starter motor is usually run when the engine is cold anyway, so the motor isn't running when most of the heat from the exhaust manifold is the worst, so whatever degradation there is from the exhaust manifold heat is done when the motor is static. Maybe the engineers were trying too hard with those heat shields. I suppose it could get pretty toasty, even on the static motor, during long idling on very hot days.
@@grizzlygrizzle Very good point. I am on he 3rd starter for my Sienna with 210k miles so having a starter that difficult to replace would be a non-starter;) Seriously, I wonder how long the starters will last on the new cars that automatically turn off at every stop.
Must have been an Audi engineer that designed that part.
I saw the Chain tensioner done on an Audi V8.. pulling the motor was a must Changing chains looked like 3 rows of chains deep and like a ton of composite tensioner on the Back of the engine.
I changed one on the Audi a8 4.0 v8 engine. Not too bad. Just time consuming
Probably the same engineer that approved the placement of the EGR valve on the 2010-2015 Prius. 😞
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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@@danieljohnson4418 for at least one of the older prius generations to replace dead battery, you had to take out the whole engine. wonder hoe new prius is. and camry around 2008 was the safest sedan, even new sedans seem not as safe, according to ihhs
You weren’t a little agitated were you? And if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it. Nice, calm rant though. Good to take a break in that situation and film it for all of us. Keep up the great work!
I've been working on cars professionally for almost 27 years there's nothing easy on cars even when you think you know it all there's something still out there that's hard to do
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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This is another demonstration of your dedication to customer service paired with your deep understanding of the Importance of reviewing the best way to approach a job, before attempting repairs
I will have to pray hard for my starter in my V-8 Tundra!!! My friend was a mechanic on the old B-52 bomber and said there’s a hydraulic pump that’s a nightmare to replace. He said, “It’s like they built the plane around that pump!!”
In some cases ... they do. Dc-8 Conway engine hydralic pump, and you have short arms. New guys got that job all the time. Back in the 60's & up to the mid 70's. You can see it, you just cant reach it! I,m retired now so it isnt bad working on a 07 Dodge Caravan, except for the rust here in Canastan.Getting a new Toyota Cross come March 23. ( maybe) lol
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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I did this job on my ls460l. Which is even tighter and more painful. I completely agree with you TCCN! Removing intake manifolds are extremely simple and people tend to overlook that and get flustered.
I will remove an intake any day so long as I don't have to touch those rusted exhaust manifolds. Wisconsin is NOT nice to them, my 08 Ford 4.6l f150 has almost no bolts that aren't rusted to stubs on the engine block.
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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I used to be a copier technician and I used to do all my own auto maintenance and found that as manufacturers look for less expenses way of doing things along with being more compact they can create some near impossible jobs. I used tell people all the time the engineer that design these products don't have to maintain them so they really don't care about the mess they create.
Car engineers get company cars and never work on the cars or even see what their work has produced.
I personally saw this negative evolution with a laser printer manufacturer. When I first started, manufacturing was on the ground floor, design on the second floor, and warranty work was in the next building. As they gradually moved or outsourced those functions, the engineers received less and less feedback. At first there was not much difference because the old timers remembered and when they saw design problems pointed them out. The old engineers retired, the younger engineers didn't remember or didn't know why things were or were not done, and the contract manufacturing started to get much more expensive. Warranty costs increased dramatically. I left about this time but the saga continued. To cut costs they outsourced most design and development for the less expensive products. Soon they had no design input and were just putting their own name on the cheaper products. They let most of the engineers go in several rounds of lay offs. I won't buy their products.
I couldn’t agree more. I did this exact same job plus water pump & alternator. I under quoted & got burned by the starter. Wasn’t fun but got it done. 💪
AMD, Every time I see an expensive and complex repair on an expensive and complex V8 engine, I am more and more satisfied with my humble 126 hp 1ZZ-FE engine. 😁
Lol! If I remember that's the Corolla engine 2002-2007? I have the 3UR Sequoia now and also had the 1ZZ FE in my 2005 corolla in my younger days. As a DIY-er, I wish I had the corolla. Will never complain about maintenance on it.
@@garyf2871To be fair, Toyota makes the most reliable V8 engines by a mile. Those V8s are bolted to the most reliable transmissions etc. My 1ZZ-FE resides comfortably in the engine bay of my manual 2005 Pontiac Vibe.
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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@@rightlanehog3151I likely have the same in my 04 Matrix with 330K km. MT. So far so good only had to replace rusty gas tank.
@@marcpikas2859 If your Matrix is the base model, it is the same engine.
From a super mechanic with a great sense of humor. Thank you for the heads up.
AMD, I just had my starter replaced on our 2011 Sequoia (5.7). Our Toyota Tech had the same frustration! Behind the exhaust manifold! Thanks for all the hard work!!
Hi AMD, when you warn that it’s a nightmare then I know it’s going to be bad because you’re such a highly skilled and knowledgeable Master Technician! I will not attempt to do this job even if I had a hoist at home. And yes, it’s a bad engineering design-not good for mechanics. A friend and coworker of mine was once a Honda and Toyota technician at the dealer and said that engines are assembled out of the car or truck and than installed into the car/truck at the manufacturer. Please continue making these videos on these difficult jobs because it’s very educational, which helps hone my skill and knowledge as a DIY mechanic. Have a great day!
No offense but did you think the engines were made inside the body? I thought it was pretty well known that engines are built outside then installed almost last in the process
@@HughJashole69 Yes, many know that engines are assembled before installing into the car. I was just mentioning it in hopes that when engineers design a car/truck that they would put more thought into the problems of after sales service that mechanics face. And I wanted to mention that’s why it’s more difficult to work on a car/truck that already has the engine installed in it.
The items attaching to the front subframe are attached to the subframe at the factory. Then the car body is raised on the line and the subframe raised up into the engine cavity.
I have to agree, it is a pain. I just did one on a 2012 tundra with 300k+ miles on it. I got lucky, not one fastener broke or rounded off or anything. I got super lucky.
A couple months ago, I took my 2007 Sienna V6 to change the sparkplugs at the dealership and I told them replace the three ignition cols in the rear bank that was hidden behind the intake manifold. The service advisor said why do you want to replace those three working coils, is it misfired?. I said "Nope, but I don't want to hear that it went south a couple months after we replaced the sparkplugs!". I normally, would replace 'unbroken' parts if it is in the same location where they have to be taken out in order to replace something broken in that same location...I supposed to save labor cost as labor is normally the most expensive part of the repair. I don't know if that is the right or wrong approach but that is just me, I supposed. Thanks for sharing such an informative automotive repair videos :).
You are best Toyota specialist on whole RUclips. Thank you for your advice about pricings and workings hour's. I work for myself and I don’t know how to set an adequate price for the work, explain it to the client and constantly earn little. You teach me how to properly work with clients, evaluate the amount of work and price. thank you very much. I would like to work with a specialist like you.
Good morning AMD! I hope you have a great day! Much love and blessing to you and your family!
Love the positivity ❤
This is a lesson GM could give Toyota...small block V8s and the lil V8 based V6 engines all had the starter that came out way easy. Two bolts, 2 electrical connections, a wee lil wiggling and she's out in minutes.
I agree, Toyota should learn from GM about reliability for sure. Better yet from Chrysler.
That top bolt reminds me of a top bolt on a hydraulic pack on a B52 bomber where there is no way to reach it with a wrench or socket when the pack is in the aircraft. We made our own tool just for that one bolt. We cut a box end wrench off, ground down the head of the wrench to make it as small as possible and rivet it to the end of a steel T-rod so we could send that box end into the crevice to reach that one bolt.
I just bought a 2003 4Runner with the 4.7L V8 and I thought that starter under the intake manifold was silly but I guess I was wrong. My other vehicle is a 2002 Chevy Express van with a 5.0L V8 and that starter change took about 15 minutes in my GF's driveway! If I wasn't in California, I'd swap a Chevy crate motor into that 4Runner!
bin there, done that, once on a tundra, i tryed option “B” move as less of parts as possible, with an open key, moving 1/8 of an inch on some bolts, i sympathise with you, from Toyota Montreal east
That’s what I admire about you, transparancy and honesty calling a spade a spade.
I used to rebuild starters for a living many many years ago and I can say there are always a few vehicles that were a total pain. You just wish you had a crystal ball and taken that day off work!
Lmao,I'm a top level B tech and I had this car in for a starter. Luckily it only took me a better part of a day,luckily bolts weren't that rusty and came out,no broken anything,lol. But yes very difficult.
I'd love to see a video on a timing cover leak and/or coolant valley plate leak. Apparently common, along with cam tower seals on the 4.6L engines (GX460 here)
Did this on my 2wd Toyota Tundra, took 6 hours in my driveway with a friend. I hear the 4wd tundra is harder too.
Did my first one of these jobs on an outside bay in South Carolina in 90 degree heat after a tundra came in clicking every other start up. I guess I got lucky and had the job done in about 2 hours or less. I’m a smaller guy and I guess my smaller hands helped me this time.
No salt on the roads, I love south Carolina by the way been all over the State.
I wish that the customer would have listen to you AMD. He would of saved himself a lot of money. Thank you for advising all mechanics of the difficulty of the starter job. 😎😎👍👍
up here in the rust land, changing the starter usually means dropping the engine, because removing the exhaust manifold without snapping bolts or breaking bolts is nearly impossible.
AMD! You have reinforced my enduring love for my '77 FJ-40, may it rest in peace.
I wish every car mechanic took the care and attention that you do, to do the job right first time every time.
You need to be a consultant to Toyota. Every once in a while something like this nightmare comes along and is a misery to everyone who has to deal with it. Thank you for your honesty.
I have been saying AMD needs a place on the Toyota Board of Directors to keep them firmly focused on common sense.
As a former Lexus tech I remember someone doing this on a ISF (2UR-GSE) took him all day 😅
When I think of broken exhaust studs and bolts on name comes to mind. "FORD"!
Great video as always. Changed mine last month on my 2008 tundra.. It's not a job for everybody. It took me quite a few hours, epecially working on my back. I'm someone who loves wrenching on my
vehicles. Saved myself close to a. $1000. It is a very difficult job. If I had to do it again,I probably would.
so if 2008 is the 'newer' design, which years had the starter under the intake?
It appears they hired a Ford engineer to fix the problem of the old location. So frustrating.
Removing the starter motor on a GS300 is also a pain. You have to loosen the driver-side exhaust manifold and engine mount then jack up the engine on the driver side, before you can remove it. A real pain.
Thank you AMD, I’m most impressed by your honest assessment of Toyota’s poor choice of location for this starter. A man is only as good as his word and I have trust in yours.
This reminds me of the cracked exhaust manifold replacement on the VVT-i 2UZ-FE.... especially in the 4th gen 4Runner and GX470. The heat shield is always in the way forcing you to remove a bunch of other stuff. Plus there is barely any room to work.
Thank you for your videos I am a very big fan.Ordered a new 2023 Camry XSE v6 thank you for making my choice so easy .God bless your family keep up the great work.
I changed the thermostat on my Honda j35 v6 yesterday. You would think that there is nothing to it, 15 minute job, 3 bolts, swap the housing with the thermostat built into it, connect the hoses, done! Just top up the fluid.
NOPE. TO be able to reach the bolts, you need to at least remove: Battery, battery tray, entire intake system up to the throttle body. This takes for ever because all the hoses are so tight, that you need pliers to pull them off, you will cut yourself a lot.
This only lets you reach the bolts if you have angled socket extensions or tiny hands. Even then, its a pain in the ass and you will get coolant all over the electronics (so put a plastic bag under the housing.
But, if you have big hands, or don't have top of the line tools, you also need to remove: Throttle body, intake manifold/plenum that sits on the engine, and all the related wiring in the area which at this point, is a bunch of hardened and rotten plastic.
This 15 minute job just turned into 2 hours at least.
Then! After you put it all together and swapped it out and started the car, the car freaks out, thinks the security system has failed, traction control failed, abs failed, it goes into full freak out mode and revs to 3000 RPM on its own for no reason.
Then you turn it off, disconnect the battery for 15 minutes, reconnect it, and then the car works fine.
All I learned in my entire life, is that no matter how HARD a toyota job is, even v8's, its NEVER harder than an equivalent car from ANY other manufacturer. You think Honda's are easy to work on? Try removing literally ANY piece of plastic. If you brake even ONE clip, you will never be able to find one online because they don't have an official parts store like toyota, they don't have easily available diagrams or part numbers either, and the dealer will always sell you the wrong clip, and when you do get the right one, its like 15$ EACH.
My local starter rebuilder says that Denso uses heavy duty parts inside those Tundra/Lexus starters. If you need to replace your starter, use a Toyota remanufactured starter.
toyota tech from australia here. the 1vd-ftv 4.5 diesel v8 has it in the v also. replacing it requires removal of the 2 common rails, 10 fuel lines, intercooler, intake manifold(5 separate pieces), egr pipes, egr valves and egr cooler and all of the turbo inlet/outlet pipes. very expensive part wise and very labour intensive.
Oof
Please re-post this comment the next time someone moans about Toyota Diesels being unavailable in the USA and Canada.
the biggest issue having is the round bolt on heat shield and the exhaust manifold. and sometime you can see the starter look easy but how to get it out is another challenge.
This guy removed the starter in a very easy way 😊
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I used to work on C130s. There's a bolt everyone called the "helen keller" bolt. PITA! Those type situations like this starter is why most mechanics have high blood pressure lol
much appreciated. Glad to see someone actually express facts and feels about working on a vehicles parts
We did one on a Tundra that had this same design. I think it may be double the book time from this Lexus according to the estimate guide. Luckily we didn't have to remove the exhaust manifold, but it was a major pain. Somehow the starter went bad and was drawing current the whole time. Melted the battery cable end. I quoted a little less since the manifold wasn't removed, but I think next time I'll at least quote the full price. It's one of those jobs that just takes incredible patience.
try working on Volkswagen Audi!!
Really like your videos. Wee little suggestion here. Get a laser pointer. Easier for you to tell which is which and easier for us to see which is which as well.
I don’t even own the V8, but had to watch this because your videos are amazing! Keep them up. I appreciate you sharing all your knowledge. Saved me thousands on my Toyota
basically replace the heatshield bolts by studs and nuts, and push a long hose over the studs and put them through the holes on the heatshield so you can fit the shield over the studs without too much fiddling.
I was just thinking the same thing....Slather it up with permanent Threadlock and make sure to let it cure for the minimum required time....What could go wrong?!
@@plumkey197 also thinking of those plastic threads you put in the holes where an oilpan bolts on (handy especially for liquid oilpan gasket). Maybe with 2 of those plastic threads the shield would slip on easier than with 3....dunno.
@@waltersheens1087 either way, there will be people who try your original idea because it’s just a different solution that’s rather elegant in its simplicity.
@@plumkey197 maybe a Toyota shop will want to stay with the original bolts....therefore they can just start 1 or 2 studs on the starter to get the shield lined up with the holes. Just 1 stud on the upper/hardest position and start a nut on it, than put in the bolt that you can see, the 3rd on then will be not that hard to fiddle in.
@@waltersheens1087 I could fashion a better heat shield from a Walmart cookie sheet LOL. I made one for a 454 Chevy in a P-20 chassis (35 foot RV) using an old pizza pan made of steel. It’s amazing what can be done with an angle grinder, a Dremel, and a drill press, and channelocks. I should have patented it because I had no further trouble with the solenoid cooking when the manifold was cherry red. Situation caused a no-crank when engine warmed up and I’d have to pull the engine cover and jump the contacts with a screwdriver. The Chevy big blocks and the earlier 350 were known for this issue.
What surprises me is how small those brake rotors are... they don't look any larger than the ones on my Camry.
Love your videos. So informative
Great video, AMD! I have replaced a few starters in my life. My first car was a 5 year old Corvair. After that many GM products. It never took more than a few hours for even an amateur to complete the job. That changed when I started driving Honda’s, however I knew a great mechanic and $100 later it was done plus $80 for a new aftermarket starter. I started driving Honda’s in 1996, only replaced that 1 starter in 13 years. If my 2017 Toyota RAV4 needs a starter, who cares! Thanks, again! Jim
I really love your videos and how you explain the topics in a perfect order. One gripe I have though is that it is difficult to notice the things you point out which are deeper in - the focus of the camera is always off, so it's always a blurry mess
On a side note, is that front brake disc from a bicycle? After 2 sets of warped Toyota discs, we replaced all four on the Venza with EBC. Now has incredibly smooth progressive braking and hardly any brake dust on the wheels. Highly recommended and surprisingly cost effective upgrade.
So much respect for your incredible skill set working on Toyotas!!! Thx for sharing!
Great video Ahmed, keep up the good work.
Preventative? That is crazy. I and my friends and family have driven Toyotas for decades. The odd alternator will go out, but I can't think of a single starter on a Toyota that has ever gone bad.
One of my favourite Car Nut videos. Speaks to the realities of auto care: some jobs are just not fun!
AMD, while we're on the topic of horrible designs I'd love it if you gave a shoutout to the 1st-Gen Tacoma's oh-so-lovely balljoint design.
- signed, a 1st-Gen owner
You know what's even worse? You do the preventive maintenance and replace the starter and a few months down the road, the new starter breaks :) Don't ask how I know
being a tech for 37 years , it really burns my ass when people think theyre mechanics because they looked it up on google . people dont know the half of the bs we go through especially in countries where cars rust alot !
I'm with u on that bad engineering it took me two days to remove and replace starter on a 2015 Tundra
Thanks for all of this, these are the kind of videos that really deliver.
It’s aggravating to explain to folks how sometimes, a simple job is potentially so expensive. Sometimes it works out, but most of the time the customer has to pay the rent….
Car companies should make all of their engineer do mechanic and body work a month every year so they can see their idiocy in action and hopefully not repeat it.
AMD it’s a compliment to you the owner wants to change the starter while your available to him. If I were him I would find things for you to replace👍💕
This is the engineering you get when an engineer has not turned enough wrenches. The early 2000’s tacoma was a pain in my ass too but nothing ridiculous as this.
I really hope a lot of people see this and realize that just because a component is going to be easy to replace on one car, doesn't mean it's going to be on another car. Sure, the ones under the intake was a dumb design, it was an easy, but time consuming job just to replace the starter. I've done one of these "redesigned" 5.7 and they really test your patience and requires a lot of strategic planning. Remove the exhaust manifold? Nope, not doing that. Like you said, here in the rust belt those bolts aren't coming off unless they break - every time. Cost to replace these starters at the dealer - over $1,300. Cost to the mechanic doing this - lots of emotional damage and thoughts of evil revenge to the engineers responsible for this design.
I install cabinets for a living.I have to deal with things designed by people who have no idea how to install and it can be unnecessarily laborious and time consuming.
I feel your pain !
They should probably ask mechanics for preferred placement, but a machanic that never has to deal with rust might think removing the exhaust manifold is no big deal while anybody from the rust belt would know that it is rarely easy. They really only care about cost during the warranty period and in that case removing the exhaust manifold may not be that big of a deal.
I think this a good example of cars designed to last the life of a typical lease. 5 years. No car company now days is expecting theses things to be fixed.
You could put in just threads (withouth any head) instead of bolts, to mount the heatshields and use seperate nuts.
(you are the care care nut !) If you do the worst located one first and stick the shield hole over the thread, and put a nut on, the other 2 will be not as bad. If you get maybe grade 9 or grade 10 bolts/nuts....they'll last probably even in the rustbelt make the next Starter change easier. Love your videos.wish I knew 5% about cars/Toyota's like CCN.
I will say that over the decades I have had Toyotas by and large they have been excellent and reasonable to repair. However, Toyota has made some changes that are not in the best interest of the owner, or mechanic. Some examples. The oil filter where you have to take apart and rebuild. Not only does this take longer but it opened the door for mistakes which can be catastrophic for the motor. The cartridge oil filter has worked wonderfully for 100 years, what Toyota did is a huge step backwards. Then there is the box for the air filter. Spring loaded clips work extremely well. Unfortunately Toyota changed to a bolt and nut set up that can be excruciatingly hard to manipulate, and God help you when the nut falls and hits the gravel underneath the car. This turns a 2 second job into hours. Both of these blunders are on 2010 Camry. My 4runner has been a reliable beast. My only complaint is replacing the front bulbs, running lights and turn signals. There is a lot of room under the hood so there is no excuse to have to have the hands of a 6 year old girl to be able to reach and replace the bulbs, especially when we all know they have to be replaced regularly.
Get LED bulbs and never replace them again.
@@filonin2 My wife has led backup lights in her prius. When they went out you have to replace the while panel which was close to 300.00. It could have been a single 5 dollar easily replaceable light. I would approve of more LED lights, but stick with single units that are cheap and easily replaced. Panels with a bunch of mini led lights isnt cost effective.
New to your channel and your content is top quality! Would love to see a breakdown review on Lexus IS F v GS F v IS 500 🙏
I have met two automotive draftsmen- "more stuff in less space, let assembly figure it out". Engineering dumps on them, they drop it on assembly and on it goes.
An acetylene torch would be a must have before attempting this job (especially if you reside where the roads are treated during winter). Basically the same crappy repair job as doing exhaust manifolds on the 5.4 3V Ford engine (and the 6.8).
Similar issue with changing spark plugs on a 2017 Highlander Hybrid….ridiculously expensive to have dealer perform this service.
A brilliant and very informative video!
Wow, thank you, great video as usual! Could you imagine having to do this on your back in the parking lot of an auto parts store!!!
Wow, other than the starter issue. The lx570 is a nice vehicle.
I'm just imagining the engineer who, after he designed the whole engine compartment, was told that he has to move the starter, because people were complaining about accessibility on the previous model. He comes from the meeting fuming and muttering to himself: "You don't like accessibility? You say it's bad design? Let me show you bad design!"
So I'd be careful about calling this bad design. You might find it inside the oil pan on the next model. 😅😅
I'm wore out from laughing so hard. That made my day. Thanks MrFoxlik.🤣🤣
....or, it is time to trade in the car when it needs a new starter. It will be a miracle when engineers consider serviceability when designing a car.
The engineers must be having a good laugh...make it as hard as possible to remove (but still possible). I just did the starter on my 1ZZ-FE (2006 Matrix. 204,321 miles). You can remove fan shroud in under 5 minutes which gives a lot of access to the starter. A flex-head long handle 3/8 drive ratchet made quick work of the two opposing bolts. You can also place a piece of cardboard behind the radiator to protect it while working.
And imagine the labour costs for something that should be simple to replace.
AMD, this is the best subtitle work I've seen on this platform. Toyota quality film work, I must say.
If it takes hours for him to take bolts off it would take me months.
A friend retired 2 years ago after 50 years as a mechanic at the same Toyota Dealer. He has a long list of bad Toyota designs.......or as he puts it........examples of when Mr. Toyota drank too much Sake when designing something.
You know we’re in for a great video when AMD says “Horrendous” in the first minutes.
I have removed at least 50 of these manifolds (I live in the rust belt)for either a starter, transmission or rear main seal replacement and have had 1 manifold separate from the secondary air tube flange other than that you make this 1.5hr job seem damn near impossible. Just take the manifold off, I have never had a stud break or bolt round off
lover your videos, what an awesome mechanic you are
Great video, AMD! Thanks.
Thank you AMD for another great video. Just one suggestion since you switched over to this new video camera. Please try to take a clear picture when the lens is out of focus. It seems happened a lot when you try to shot some close look. You usually post a picture in the old video which I like very much but not in the last few videos. I knew I might ask too much but it help some newbie (like me) to understand which one you are talking about. Have a wonderful holiday season!
It's the kit lens they're using that won't focus. Bet they can get better results with a gopro.
@@Kenji-ds9rf I am not saying to invest more money, just take a picture like the later time in this video is good enough.
Hi! In the upcoming videos we figured this style video works better with a GoPro so we started using it. You’ll see it in upcoming videos
@@alexwang7095 Understood, but the less out of focus clips, the less post editing required ( adding a still image).
@@Kenji-ds9rf you are right. Agree! Thanks for explaining
You should try to land a job on the corporate level at Toyota or Lexus when you're done wrenching.
I’m sure they offered him a job as a field technical specialist but he’s his own boss now so the work life balance is better than the dealer.
I did one on a 07 Tundra 5.7 for the first time and actually removed the plenum expecting it to be there.I removed the starter the same way with some choice words along the way.Thankfully the failure rate is low on these and i hope i never see another.
Good video, I notice you'll quote the time, but not so much the cost/labor! I assume it's because those watching are from different states and cities. It may cost different in PA compared to Illinois, I saw Mississippi paid the most on average for labor ($152.63), where the most common repair was to replace ignition coils and spark plugs! Again thanks for enlightening us on the nature of auto repairs and maintenances!
Very informative. An excellent video.