I think it took a little too long for people to learn to love JT. Even when approaching the deadline for who to keep between Horvat or Miller I remember fans being ho hum about losing Miller because it was a foregone conclusion Horvat would stay (captain, true centreman, etc). I'd like to see fans give Miller the love he deserves this season to make up for the apathy they showed his first five years in Vancouver. JT might be one of the most versatile players in the league. He can play multiple positions, any situation, gets the points while nullifying opponents' star players, brings the passion to kick his teammates' asses when they're slacking, he's big and intimidating enough to stand up to anyone's tough guys - he is just awesome.
Tampa won 2 cups immediately following the trade. The cup nullifies any problems with moves leading up to it. The Miller trade freed up cap space and allowed the bolts to get necessary depth for their cup win. It's also a great trade for the Canucks. A win-win.
The Canucks have made some horrible trades like the Cam Neely trade and the OEL trade especially. But they also hit it out of the park with the Miller trade and even more so with the Naslund trade. Naslund became a superstar and captain while the guy they traded to get him (Alex Stojanov) played only 45 games for the Pens scoring a whopping 2 goals then finsihed his career in the minors.
I'd call it a fair trade. The Lightning got assets that could have turned out better, but did help them win back to back Stanley Cups, and the Canucks got a bona fide superstar power forward in JT, who may yet help us win our first Stanley Cup. Yup, fair trade. When trading for prospects, you can't always predict how they will turn out in the long run, that's always the risk you take when trading proven talent for future potential. That potential that could be in the future is not always realized. Also, Miller wasn't exactly on a trajectory with the Lightning to be the point a game to 100 point guy he's become here. The opportunities, chemistry and coaching he's gotten here are much different then what he would have gotten there. Maybe he'd have turned out better, worse or the same, but that's all speculation. What we know is by coming here, he got opportunities to play on lines he'd never otherwise have gotten, and won himself a role as a solid top 6 forward and top line centre that may never have happened in Tampa, where they already had their top line guys already in place at the time. Whereas Vancouver was in the midst of a period of continuous retooling and so there were openings for him to get those top line minutes and responsibilities and he showed his true colours by rising to the occasion. I think the trade put everyone right where they needed to be for good things to happen.
I was super happy we got him. I saw him play every year and it looked to me he was held back from his true potential. He played a lot of third line minutes. I felt he was very under appreciated before we got him and could tell many doubted him. I also forgot he is a big man. Kind of like Bert. Big guy dominates most of the play. He was actually one of my favorite players not on the Canucks. Also Bert came to us in a trade. I was hoping Kassian would be one of those guys. Not quite. Miller in my opinion has been our best player the last two seasons. Excluding Hughes.
That 1st round pick the lightning got resulted in them getting Blake Coleman who was a big part of those cup wins. Miller wasn’t that big a part of the Lightning while still getting a good return, unlike what they would have got for Tyler Johnson. No guarantee Miller has the same success with Tampa and no guarantee Tampa wins the cup if they don’t make that trade. Win win trade
I'm a HUGE JT Miller fan, but I still say that Benning overpaid for a salary dump. A 2nd and a 3rd plus a prospect would have been enough, but Benning always overpaid.
Tampa was front loaded with talent and had to make a decision. At the time just getting a first was great for tampa. Everyone knew they needed cap help and no one wanted to make yzerman look good. You must forget how tampa got jt miller and ryan mcdonaugh...
If the Lightning keep Miller, they don't get Coleman or Goodrow the following year. This wasn't even close to a bad trade for TB. Win-win for both teams. Bad take.
As much as I love JT Miller Tampa only traded him for a cap dump that led to 2 cups I honestly think its a fair trade to both although the Canucks got the best player overall until today, 2 cup speeks volumes
Also I bet a lot of the people shitting on that trade at the time are the same people needlessly constantly shitting on Benning today, conveniently forgetting the guy only assembled our entire freaking core.
This is a case of both teams got what they needed. Tampa got the parts that won them 2 Stanley Cups (can't argue with that), and the Canucks got a guy they could try out as a top 6 forward and he showed the NHL what he was made of, and it looks like all stars and true leadership. The kind of player who can lead the team to one or more Stanley Cups of our own.
Holy smokes! This guy got traded FIVE times within 365 days in 1992-93, including three trades where he effectively left Winnipeg and then came back within eight weeks? 🙈
I think it took a little too long for people to learn to love JT. Even when approaching the deadline for who to keep between Horvat or Miller I remember fans being ho hum about losing Miller because it was a foregone conclusion Horvat would stay (captain, true centreman, etc). I'd like to see fans give Miller the love he deserves this season to make up for the apathy they showed his first five years in Vancouver. JT might be one of the most versatile players in the league. He can play multiple positions, any situation, gets the points while nullifying opponents' star players, brings the passion to kick his teammates' asses when they're slacking, he's big and intimidating enough to stand up to anyone's tough guys - he is just awesome.
Tampa won 2 cups immediately following the trade. The cup nullifies any problems with moves leading up to it. The Miller trade freed up cap space and allowed the bolts to get necessary depth for their cup win. It's also a great trade for the Canucks. A win-win.
The Canucks have made some horrible trades like the Cam Neely trade and the OEL trade especially. But they also hit it out of the park with the Miller trade and even more so with the Naslund trade. Naslund became a superstar and captain while the guy they traded to get him (Alex Stojanov) played only 45 games for the Pens scoring a whopping 2 goals then finsihed his career in the minors.
It's hard to lose a trade when you end up with 2 Cup.s
They could’ve had 3
I mean Tampa flipped the 1st for a piece of the line that was massive for their 2 Cups...
I'd call it a fair trade. The Lightning got assets that could have turned out better, but did help them win back to back Stanley Cups, and the Canucks got a bona fide superstar power forward in JT, who may yet help us win our first Stanley Cup. Yup, fair trade. When trading for prospects, you can't always predict how they will turn out in the long run, that's always the risk you take when trading proven talent for future potential. That potential that could be in the future is not always realized. Also, Miller wasn't exactly on a trajectory with the Lightning to be the point a game to 100 point guy he's become here. The opportunities, chemistry and coaching he's gotten here are much different then what he would have gotten there. Maybe he'd have turned out better, worse or the same, but that's all speculation. What we know is by coming here, he got opportunities to play on lines he'd never otherwise have gotten, and won himself a role as a solid top 6 forward and top line centre that may never have happened in Tampa, where they already had their top line guys already in place at the time. Whereas Vancouver was in the midst of a period of continuous retooling and so there were openings for him to get those top line minutes and responsibilities and he showed his true colours by rising to the occasion. I think the trade put everyone right where they needed to be for good things to happen.
I was super happy we got him. I saw him play every year and it looked to me he was held back from his true potential. He played a lot of third line minutes. I felt he was very under appreciated before we got him and could tell many doubted him. I also forgot he is a big man. Kind of like Bert. Big guy dominates most of the play. He was actually one of my favorite players not on the Canucks. Also Bert came to us in a trade. I was hoping Kassian would be one of those guys. Not quite. Miller in my opinion has been our best player the last two seasons. Excluding Hughes.
That 1st round pick the lightning got resulted in them getting Blake Coleman who was a big part of those cup wins. Miller wasn’t that big a part of the Lightning while still getting a good return, unlike what they would have got for Tyler Johnson. No guarantee Miller has the same success with Tampa and no guarantee Tampa wins the cup if they don’t make that trade. Win win trade
I'm a HUGE JT Miller fan, but I still say that Benning overpaid for a salary dump. A 2nd and a 3rd plus a prospect would have been enough, but Benning always overpaid.
Can Neely trade was probably worse.
You remember how stacked Tampa bay was when they traded miller? They couldn’t keep him.
Tampa was front loaded with talent and had to make a decision. At the time just getting a first was great for tampa. Everyone knew they needed cap help and no one wanted to make yzerman look good. You must forget how tampa got jt miller and ryan mcdonaugh...
Lightnings=📉Canucks=📈
But a first round pick could be anything! It could’ve even been a JT Miller type player!
If the Lightning keep Miller, they don't get Coleman or Goodrow the following year. This wasn't even close to a bad trade for TB. Win-win for both teams. Bad take.
As much as I love JT Miller Tampa only traded him for a cap dump that led to 2 cups I honestly think its a fair trade to both although the Canucks got the best player overall until today, 2 cup speeks volumes
Jt Miller was a great pick up for the Vancouver Canucks
Also I bet a lot of the people shitting on that trade at the time are the same people needlessly constantly shitting on Benning today, conveniently forgetting the guy only assembled our entire freaking core.
Just think the trades we (NYR) did after the letter. JT & Mac trade was horrendous. Even the Stepan trade the year prior was GARBAGE.
this is a case of hindsight being 20/20
This is a case of both teams got what they needed. Tampa got the parts that won them 2 Stanley Cups (can't argue with that), and the Canucks got a guy they could try out as a top 6 forward and he showed the NHL what he was made of, and it looks like all stars and true leadership. The kind of player who can lead the team to one or more Stanley Cups of our own.
They also traded cam neely the Trevor linden trade was also just crap
Good lord those comments were hilariously angry bad haha. Canucks fans... we can be pretty dumb sometimes!
Who got picked that the team got for the Canucks 1st round pick? Does anyone know?
The Devils picked Shakir Makhamadullin, who was part of the Timo Meier trade with San Jose
JT is a scrappy fellow but time will tell if he can handle the rigors of the NHL.
This is some weird cope.
Win win. You dont value the cap space tampa got enough
Yeah, tiktok video is false or worse as usual (when it's not just cute animals).
The worst trade in NHL history is the Stephane Beauregard trade.
Holy smokes! This guy got traded FIVE times within 365 days in 1992-93, including three trades where he effectively left Winnipeg and then came back within eight weeks? 🙈
Ya Hasek became a superstar. It's easily as bad as the Stojanov for Naslund trade, if not worse.
@@Uncle_Troy Yep, but one of his trades was for a hall of famer,
@@scott80ca Naslund was a top class player, but not in the top 3 in his position in the history of the game like Hasek was.
Canucks fleeced Tampa in that trade
tampa got 2 cups yall got robbed so bad you still think you got the better end of the deal 💀💀
@@TiggaTrey we did all they got was a third round pick
For Tampa Bay it was the worst trade good for Vancouver