My mind is completely blown getting a hint of John's theology, 2 hours 10 minutes and 34 seconds in. (2:10:34) It came in response to a fairly blunt question: "(why) are you even a Christian?" but the answer covered life, the universe and everything. I would love to hear a mini-lecture about John's faith. (not sure if lecture is the right word; a talk or chat maybe.) "The gospels don't need to have any kind of historicity in a cosmic sense" That's Carl Sagan levels of spirituality. 💗 When Carl Sagan was asked if he believed in God, he challenged the definition of God. "If I say Yes or if I say No you have learned absolutely nothing!" "Why would we use a word, so ambiguous, that means so many different things. It makes for social lubrication, but it is not an aid to truth."
A very interesting presentation. Even the introduction gave an excellent overview of concepts I've been trying to understand. A wonderful presentation, also a fresh perspective for me. Thanks!
Thank you so much, John, for this wonderful lecture. I've learned things I didn't imagine could be out there. Can you please make a video about Islamic apocalypse as opposed to (or in relation with) Christian apocalypse (in the Revelation and other apocryphal sources)?
Thanks for this John! A very intresting take on. 4:157 with the Gnostic Jesus! Here is a summary of the different academic schools of thought when it comes to the history of early Islam: Traditionalist maximalists ( yaser qadhi and others) Traditionalist minimalists (shady nasser Emran edawi etc) Revisionist maximalists ( angelika neuwirth, sean Anthony, gabriel Said, Joshua little etc) Revisinist minimalists ( david powers, Joseph Shomaker, the Inarah School etc)
2 Co 10:5 “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
He's a rare find on RUclips. So many theological videos are 1) christian apologists foaming at the mouth about every jot and tittle being absolutely historical and there being only one way to interpret the bible or 2) atheists foaming at the mouth about how the one they see christianity is soooo stupid .....both sides failing to realize there are other ways of interpreting the Bible and following Jesus. As a progressive christian, I appreciate listening to lectures from progressives like John Hamer and Elaine Pagels.
Excellent lecture on a challenging but important topic. At some later point it would be interesting to compare Jesus in Muslim eschatology vs. Christian eschatology. I think that some Muslims believe Christ will return and be part of the endgames/apocalypse...but I'm not very clear on that.
The Hadith litterature is all about a second coming. The Quran on the other hand potrays the risen Jesus as somebody cut off from our realm who is totally ignorant of his followers all the way to Judgement day: ”"I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.”5:117
What this man has told in Video is view point of Sectarian Imams but not the view point of Quran. In Quran, Jesus was indeed on the Cross but not Crucified=Not Died on Cross 4:157. Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and died naturally and dead never come back. Quran never supports stories of Virgin Birth and Return of Jesus. I know each verse of Quran
John, you are one of the few that get the history of the movement called The Poor right -- very impressive. And you are very articulate when you talk about it. But people asked you a question about your faith (I have been wondering that myself; I know what you know and I can't even imagine being religious) and ... that was hard to hear ... and the first time I had to listen to what you said twice and I still have no idea what the hell that was.
I'm not happy with that answer - the problem was that questioners had been combined (1) was a traditional Christian who was struggling to hold on in the torrent of the information I present, and (2) the second was someone who was outside religion and couldn't see the point at all. I attempting to straddle those competing needs of two distinct questioners with a single answer, and I think I flubbed it. I think I did a better job with questions at the end of the next week's lecture (Jesus First Followers According to Q). See if you find that less grating on the ears and more understandable.
@@HamerToronto I did. Much better! I guess we call that Humanist. Or, more recently, the Jesus Movement. In the first century, this sounds close to Philo: God is aloof and does not need prayer or sacrifice but I am a Jew and there are rules to follow.
@@HamerToronto While I have you and since you touched upon it, why do you think there isn't an occasion on which Yakov is quoted as speaking on behalf of the council where he as much as mentions his brother Yeshua (I refer to them by their actual names to stress historicity while reserving James and Jesus to the characters created over time), let alone quoting him as an authority? Every word out of his mouth is the Torah (e.g. let's write them a letter telling them what [Torah] rules they should follow for the [Torah] not to be too much of a burden for them) and every action he takes is grounded in the Torah (e.g. getting Paul to pay for Nazarites)?
a truth seeker must ask how did muhamad unlettered man in the 7th centuary gives us stories of jesus infancey that is not even mentioned in the canonical gospels but in the non canonical gospels that have been discovered just recently , the nag hamadi library ?
Intriguing! This well articulated presentation debunks many Islamic claims. At this point It’s common knowledge that Mohammad took bits and peaces from earlier Christian and Jewish texts. Islam and Mormonism are in fact extremely similar in that regard. Cheers for all your in depth research!!
More videos on history of Islam please! It is really interesting how their philosophy has evolved from the early local beliefs and different local alternative christianities.
I don't have time to listen to all of this, but I will just correct one thing. The majority of Muslims (who are followers of the Sunnah) do not believe the Quran is "eternal" in the sense of co-equal with God, so this false parallel about it having the same logical fallacy as the trinity does not apply. According to the Hadith the first thing Allah created was Al-Kalam and Al-Lawh al-Mahfuz, the Pen and the Preserved Tablet which is where the decrees of God are recorded. I made it through the first hour and 20 minutes, I'll try to finish the rest later.
i would love to hear more on johns take on plant medicine in the bible, specifically the modern take that mana was mushrooms or the vision with the burning bush was dmt x blue lotus rituals. this was such a fun and lively lecture!
I'm very surprised to see you don't couch any of your statements about Muhammed as "according to the Quran". You speak about Muhammed as if you are reciting something historical, but almost everything you say about him is simple taken - without any critical or academic analysis - straight from the pages of the Quran. You would never in a million years treat the bible as straight history. So I am puzzled why are you doing exactly that for the Quran?
I appreciate this response. When talking about the Gospel of Matthew, I do sometimes talk about the author as Matthew, even though the author is not Matthew. What I mean to say in this lecture is not the historical Muhammed says, but the "authors of the Quran as it was eventually compiled say:"
@@HamerToronto I'm referring to the first part where you give a rundown of the "history", eg, Muhammad was born in Mecca, etc. It's all presented as straight history, even though i'm pretty sure the only source for all of it is the Quran (and the archeology doesn't support it in the slightest). It stood out as a very different treatment from when you talk about the bible, which you always make sure to repeat over and over is not history. If your only source is the Quran, that should be made clear.
@@Rannsack , (One of Muslims central pillars of faith is) the Quran is direct revelation by God to humans, not a recollection of witness accounts/disciples like Gospels. So you can't find references of Muhammad and his companions' history in Quran. Those witness accounts are recorded in collection of Hadiths (recollection of life, sayings and acts of Muhammad according to his companions), which is not a sacred scripture but has a legal standing in school of Islamic jurisprudence.
I have issue with how you interpreted the following verse 19:32 19:32 He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me arrogant or wicked 19:33 Blessed was I on the day I was born, and blessed I shall be on the day I die and on the day I am raised to life again. You claimed that when the baby Jesus said “He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me _arrogant or wicked_” he was referring to being wicked and arrogant in his childhood. Not necessarily. He was talking about himself later on in life not when he is a baby. Just a few verses before that we read: 19:29 She pointed to the child. They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle 19:30 [But] he said, I am God's servant. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet 19:31 He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving throughout my life.” He is talking about his life to come later on. How he is going to be a prophet and a messenger to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Your views are clouded by your Christian education and you try to project your distorted views on the Quran. And I believe you do it clumsily. I watched until minute 44 but I couldn’t stand it any longer.
Your translation is Tampered. -They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle- They said, How shall we talk to someone who *WAS* a child in the cradle (not a long time ago) Mean: a Child When a 12 year boy was debating over 50 years Rabbis. They got angry and said: How can we talk this boy who, not a long time age, was in cradle.
@@abdar-rahman6965 Your knowledge of Arabic grammar is very basic it seems. لفظة " كان " لا تدل دائماً على الماضي المنقطع ، وإن كان هذا هو المشهور الغالب في استعمالها ، وقد جاء ذِكرها في كلام العرب وفي كتاب الله تعالى بمعنى " لم يزل " وهي تدل بذلك على " الاستمرارية " لا الانقطاع ، ومنه قوله تعالى ( وَكَانَ الإِنسَانُ عَجُولاً ) الإسراء/ 11 ، فهل يعني ذلك انقطاعه عن الإنسان ؟! ، ومنه قوله تعالى ( إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ كَانَ لِلإِنْسَانِ عَدُوًّا مُّبِينًا ) الإسراء/ 53 ، فهل انقطعت عداوة الشيطان للإنسان وكانت في فقط في زمن مضى ؟! ، وأولى ما يتعيَّن هذا المعنى فيه هو فيما إذا جاءت في سياق أسماء الله تعالى وصفاته. " وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا [النساء: 96] سَمَّى نَفْسَهُ ذَلِكَ، وَذَلِكَ قَوْلُهُ ؛ أَيْ لَمْ يَزَلْ كَذَلِكَ ، فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَمْ يُرِدْ شَيْئًا إِلَّا أَصَابَ بِهِ الَّذِي أَرَادَ، فَلاَ يَخْتَلِفْ عَلَيْكَ القُرْآنُ، فَإِنَّ كُلًّا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ " وقال محيي الدين درويش - رحمه الله - : " " كان " في القرآن على خمسة أوجه : 1. بمعنى الأزل والأبد نحو ( وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً ) النساء/ 17 ، وغيرها . 2. بمعنى المضيّ المنقطع نحو ( وَكَانَ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ تِسْعَةُ رَهْطٍ ) النمل/ 48 . 3. بمعنى الحال نحو ( كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ ) آل عمران/ 110 . 4. بمعنى الاستقبال نحو ( وَيَخَافُونَ يَوْمًا كَانَ شَرُّهُ مُسْتَطِيرًا ) الإنسان/ 7 . 5. بمعنى صار نحو ( وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكَافِرِينَ ) البقرة/ 34 ، ص/ 74 " انتهى من " إعراب القرآن وبيانه " ( 10 / 318 ) Now if we look at the text in context we can see what كان means. 19:26 فَكُلِی وَٱشۡرَبِی وَقَرِّی عَیۡنࣰاۖ فَإِمَّا تَرَیِنَّ مِنَ ٱلۡبَشَرِ أَحَدࣰا فَقُولِیۤ إِنِّی نَذَرۡتُ لِلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ صَوۡمࣰا فَلَنۡ أُكَلِّمَ ٱلۡیَوۡمَ إِنسِیࣰّا ٢٦ 19:27 فَأَتَتۡ بِهِۦ قَوۡمَهَا تَحۡمِلُهُۥۖ قَالُوا۟ یَـٰمَرۡیَمُ لَقَدۡ جِئۡتِ شَیۡءࣰا فَرِیࣰّا ٢٧ 19:28 یَـٰۤأُخۡتَ هَـٰرُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ ٱمۡرَأَ سَوۡءࣲ وَمَا كَانَتۡ أُمُّكِ بَغِیࣰّا ٢٨ 19:29 فَأَشَارَتۡ إِلَیۡهِۖ قَالُوا۟ كَیۡفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَن كَانَ فِی ٱلۡمَهۡدِ صَبِیࣰّا ٢٩ Translation from The Clear Quran 19:25 And shake the trunk of this palm tree towards you, it will drop fresh, ripe dates upon you. 19:26 So eat and drink, and put your heart at ease. But if you see any of the people, say, ‘I have vowed silence to the Most Compassionate, so I am not talking to anyone today.’” 19:27 Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing! 19:28 O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an indecent man, nor was your mother unchaste.” 19:29 So she pointed to the baby. They exclaimed, “How can we talk to someone who is an infant in the cradle?” Mariam had a vow of silence when she came back to her people with the baby in her arms. When they accused her of indecency she only pointed to the baby who basically vindicated his mother. Your confusion stems from a lack of understanding of basic Arabic grammar.
I know each verse of Quran. Quran never denies nailing of Jesus on Cross but denies his Crucifixion which means: he did not die on the Cross, and same is stand of Luke and John and non-religious history
I've changed my entire world view on Christianity thanks to these lectures. I see Jesus now as just a man with GREAT IDEAS at the right time just like George Washington and Martin Luther King Jr. The supernatural aspect seems superfluous now as it would if we made MLK Jr. the son of God. The supernatural story telling seems to be a literary device design to elevate and inspire our imaginations. You can still a BE A CHRISTIAN without making Jesus Christ into a divine being. That is a very profound perspective I had never considered.
@saquist Read these cited scriptures. you are in danger. Jn 3:18 Acts 4:12 Ask Jesus about your doubt to help you overcome. and 2 Tim 2:13-20 If you are not grounded in the Word it is easy to get swayed by men's teaching. Always use Scripture as confirmation as to what these people preach. if it does not align then it is not scriptural and not the Truth. simple. about what this teacher teaches is he an apologetic ? look that word up even smh. l Jms 3:1 Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@I.Clarify Are these not “men’s teachings”? One could argue that scripture itself is Man’s perception of the Devine. Subject to limitations. Scripture doesn’t have an inherent meaning, it is all up for interpretation by a reader, scholar, or religious leader.
Thanks... Paul didn't change anything. His teaching are in line with Jesu' teaching and with all Jesus' disciples' teaching. He was led by the Holy Spirit just like the other apostles. Very good insight though. Thanks.
An image isn't a magical device until a magician (pagan priest) does the appropriate incantation over it, inviting the deity called upon to take possession. Only then is the horcrux numinous. The pagan elements of Christianity are no different in principle ... hence recurring iconoclasm similar to young Abraham. Jews, Muslims and Christian Unitarians will differ on the monotheism of the Trinitarians ;-) The "transubstantiation" view of communion is a horcrux, but the "symbolic memorial" view of Zwingli is not.
Not at all, Quran categorically mentions Jesus was the word of God. Jesus is very important in Islam. Also Quran was revealed to the Arabs in their language for them to understand clearly. One may not grasp the meaning of translated word. “ Son of god” wouldve meant different in different languages.
Have you read your own Scripture? ”Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you(the only true God) have sent.” John 17:3
i would also really love to hear a talk on the literary link between the gospel of luke and the bacchae and in general the similairities between dionysus and jesus in the septugent (i probably spelled that awful)
Good lecture, but I do find that Christians really struggle grasping theology outside of their own. The Quran being Uncreated doesn't make it a God. If a God is a type of person, then the Quran need no more be a God than formless matter which a Creator God may make the world from. Also, Neoplatonists would not define The One as "the real God," implying that the other Gods are fake. They were polytheists. Proclus, for example, refers to the Gods as "Henads," which means "Units/Ones." "The One" is the principle or Form of Godhood, in the same way that "Humanity" is the principle that makes humans human. There is no more "one real God" than there is "one real human" or "one real horse". The Forms have causative power, but their emanations aren't false.
Sean W. Anthony is a historian of early Islamic history and Arabic literature. This is what Sean Anthony said about the Syriac infancy gospel and Jesus speaking in the cradle: “My view is that the Qur'an influenced the Arabic Infancy Gospel. To my knowledge, there is no attestation to an episode in which the infant Jesus speaks from the cradle to defend Mary that appears in an infancy Gospel (Syriac, etc.) PRIOR to the 7th cent.” Why didn’t you mention that?
Quran is very Clear, but Sectarian Translators TAMPER translation of Quran, Quran never supports tales of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus. Quran tells: though Jesus SURVIVED DEATH ON THE CROSS but he died naturally at age over 100 years, and dead never come back. We know each verse of Quran.' Also know that in Ancient Copies of 4 Gospels, these two fables (which I have mentioned above) never existed. These fables were invented by Church much later
@@abdar-rahman6965 Mariam conceived Jesus without any male intervention. 19:16 وَٱذۡكُرۡ فِی ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ مَرۡیَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتۡ مِنۡ أَهۡلِهَا مَكَانࣰا شَرۡقِیࣰّا ١٦ 19:17 فَٱتَّخَذَتۡ مِن دُونِهِمۡ حِجَابࣰا فَأَرۡسَلۡنَاۤ إِلَیۡهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرࣰا سَوِیࣰّا ١٧ 19:18 قَالَتۡ إِنِّیۤ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِیࣰّا ١٨ 19:19 قَالَ إِنَّمَاۤ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمࣰا زَكِیࣰّا ١٩ 19:20 قَالَتۡ أَنَّىٰ یَكُونُ لِی غُلَـٰمࣱ وَلَمۡ یَمۡسَسۡنِی بَشَرࣱ وَلَمۡ أَكُ بَغِیࣰّا ٢٠ 19:21 قَالَ كَذَ ٰلِكِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَیَّ هَیِّنࣱۖ وَلِنَجۡعَلَهُۥۤ ءَایَةࣰ لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحۡمَةࣰ مِّنَّاۚ وَكَانَ أَمۡرࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا ٢١ 19:22 ۞ فَحَمَلَتۡهُ فَٱنتَبَذَتۡ بِهِۦ مَكَانࣰا قَصِیࣰّا ٢٢ 19:23 فَأَجَاۤءَهَا ٱلۡمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذۡعِ ٱلنَّخۡلَةِ قَالَتۡ یَـٰلَیۡتَنِی مِتُّ قَبۡلَ هَـٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسۡیࣰا مَّنسِیࣰّا ٢٣ 19:16 And mention in the Book ˹O Prophet, the story of˺ Mary when she withdrew from her family to a place in the east, 19:17 screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed. 19:18 She appealed, “I truly seek refuge in the Most Compassionate from you! ˹So leave me alone˺ if you are God-fearing.” 19:19 He responded, “I am only a messenger from your Lord, ˹sent˺ to bless you with a pure son.” 19:20 She wondered, “How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste?” 19:21 He replied, “So will it be! Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.’ It is a matter ˹already˺ decreed.” 19:22 So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a remote place. 19:23 Then the pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She cried, “Alas! I wish I had died before this, and was a thing long forgotten!” It is stated clearly that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus.
Please learn the history of Rambam who reform jews religion which was polytheist before 800 year after he learn Quran and Islam. When islam come the christian and Jews were polytheist
The Muslims have a more respectful interpretation of Mary and Ishu than the "Pharisees" (after the Eastern Europeans convert by the Babylonian Pharisee, then one can mention Judaism because it did not exist in Ishu's time). Horrible things are said about Mary within those fifty-six books!
I'm not a theologian but I'm pretty sure that if Christ didn't die, then Christ didn't die for your sins. Therefore, if you are a Yahweh worshiper who thinks that Christ *did* die for humanity's sins, you've got to admit that 1.9 billion fellow Yahweh worshipers (Muslims) are dead wrong. (or should that be 'alive-wrong' since Muslims believe he survived crucifixion)
Both Christians and Muslims believes in Jesus's second coming. Jesus of his desciples and early followers will be with Muslims in his second coming. Jesus of Paul, early Church fathers and Nicene Creed will be with Christians in his second coming.
Mullahs and their Igno followers believe in return of Jesus but Quran never supports this story. In Quran, Jesus died naturally in age over 100 years, and dead never come back. Even in ancient Copies of 4 Gospels, that story of Return of Jesus NEVER EXISTED
Few comments: 1- The story of Muhammad going to Syria and being affirmed as a prophet was a later introduction, and many Muslims don't believe that it is authentic. 2- When Mary comes to her family with baby Jesus, the Quran says, "sister of Aaron, your father was not of bad character and your mother was not a prostitute", sister of Aaron is a figure of speech to affirm her lineage to Aaron. 3- During the Middle Ages, there were various school of philosophy who had arguments about the Quran being created or eternal. However, Sunni Moslems are not required to believe that the Quran is eternal, just that it is the word of God. I am not sure what is your supporting evidence to the claim that you made. All Muslims have no issue believing that the Quran was created. As a matter of fact, most of the Quran is a response to specific incidents or statements made by pagans, Christians or Jewish figures. 4- The message that Jesus spread is called the Injeel. People translate it as the Gospels which is wrong. The canonical Gospels are stories and theologies of various writers, and the Quran says that they are mostly fake. The same applies to the Torah.
I know each verse of Quran. Quran never supports tales of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus; and even these two tales never exist in ancient copies of 4 Gospels
@abdar-rahman6965 The Quran is very clear when it comes to the virgin birth: ”She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is.” 3:47 ”The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” 3:59
@@economician Verse 3:47 never tells you that Jesus was born without human Father. *People have been misinterpreting this verse for centuries in order to support a fable.* When Mary told angel, how can I have son; at that time she was unmarried, but nowhere Quran tells that after that glad tiding, she did not marry whole life, and she remained virgin. Verse 66:12, 3:36 confirm that she was married. In Whole Quran, no any Arabic word appears which can be translated as virgin. Several verses of Quran show that God created all humans from dust and sperm 76:1...76:5, 40:67, 22:5 and Jesus is not exempted from this law. Can you show me any verse which tells that Jesus was exempted from this law? Can you show me any verse of Quran which tells: JESUS WAS BORN WITHOUT HUMAN FATHER? I have already explained that Quran in 66:12 and 3:36 confirms that Mary was a married woman
@@economician *Where does Quran say that Birth of Jesus is exempted from Quranic verse 22:5?* God says: _O MEN! If you are in doubt as to the [truth of] resurrection, [remember that,] _*_verily, We have created [every one of] you out of dust, then out of a drop of sperm,_*_ then out of a germ-cell, then out of an embryonic lump complete [in itself] and yet incomplete so that _*_We might make_*_ [your origin] clear unto you. And _*_whatever We will_*_ [to be born] _*_We cause to_*_ rest in the [mothers’] wombs for a term set [by Us], and then _*_We bring_*_ you forth as infants and [allow you to live] so that [some of] you might attain to maturity: for among you are such as are caused to die [in childhood], just as many a one of you is reduced in old age to a most abject state, ceasing to know anything of what he once knew so well. And [if, O man, thou art still in doubt as to resurrection, consider this:] thou canst see the earth dry and lifeless - and [suddenly,] _*_when We send down_*_ waters upon it, it stirs and swells and puts forth every kind of lovely plant!_ (Asad)
The baby Jesus answers your question when he speaks from the crib: ”"I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.” 19:32 The baby Jesus does not say ” I am to honor my mother and my father” and the baby Jesus does not say ”I am to honor my parents”. Rather the baby Jesus whose Virgin Birth fulfilled God’s Word to Mary specifically says: ”I am to honor my mother” Contrast this to John the baptist who is described as having honored his parents a couple of verse before: ”He honored his parents, and was never a disobedient tyrant.” 19:32 Regarding 76:2 it seems that you are reading to much into that verse: ”Is it not a fact that there was a time when the human being was nothing to be mentioned?We created the human from a liquid mixture, from two parents, in order to test him. Thus, we made him a hearer and a seer.”76:1-2 The parents mentioned in 76::1-2 is clearly referencing Adam and Eve since Adam and Eve are an allegory for two humans created and not born but that each human born in the past, present and the future is a combination of this ”liquid mixture” that came from both Adam and Eve.
@@abdar-rahman6965you misunderstand. Mary was betrothed to Joseph. Promised in marriage. But she found she was pregnant and he was going to quietly put her away. But joseph recieved a dream where he was told it was a special birth snd to continue,with the marriage. It also says he never touched her until after she had jesus. This, he had other brothers and sf sisters, half siblings because Mary became pregnant by a miracle as per the will of God. Its said it was necessary to have divine intervention in the birth of the messiah in order for him to be free of the weakness to commit sin, so that he never sinned ( broke his law)
muhamad had christian cousins ? that is new to me , no where i have heard it or read it or studied it or taught it , warqa ibn nawfal the uncle of his wife khadijah he had knowledge of the syriac peshitta bible , but he died soon after muhamad started his mission , but cousins ? check your sources friend , this is an odd ball
I know each verse of Quran. Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and naturally died, and dead never come back. And same is the stand of Non-Religious history
Quran makes very Clear that Abraham used to have One Religion and that is ISLAM, and he has nothing to do with Dogmas of Pauline Christianity and Talmudists' Judaism
The tile of the lecture is ‘The Muslim View of Jesus’ but all we get is comparisons between the Christian tradition and the Muslim one. You are jumping around from books you call apocryphal and the accepted books in the Christian bible. Why don’t you just talk about how Jesus is viewed in the Quran without poisoning the well so to speak with your polemics.
He's doing exactly that. He's showing how Muslims (or rather, the Quran) view Jesus and adding WHY they do so and WHERE they got the view from. It should be noted that the CoC doesn't have a polemical view against apocryphal Christian texts. This is a Mormon church. They have their own apocryphal (some say heretical) scriptures.
All Muslim traditions=Hadiths are Fabricated. Mohammad and his companions left behind only written Quran, and in Quran, Jesus is naturally dead and dead never come back
Scripture shows us that before the Creation of the Heavens and all life in them and the Earth and all life in and on it, Spirit Beings existed, the אלהים ALaHaYM (Elohim), Genesis 1:1. The word ALaHaYM is in the plural, yet, when translated into English becomes the word 'God' which is singular. So here we have the beginning of Confusion. Because the word 'God' is singular, then we are to believe there can only be 'One God', but this is not what the Scriptures, the word of the Spirit, reveals to us! If no one has seen 'God' at any time or even heard His voice then we have to ask these questions: Who breathed into the nostrils of Adam the Breath of Life? who took one of Adams ribs to Create Eve? Who were Adam and Eve hiding from in the Garden? Who spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden? Who did they hear speaking to them concerning what they had done wrong? The answer is, there is 'One' Spirit Being who has never been seen by Man, who we have come to know as 'Our Father' and 'One' Spirit Being who we have seen and heard, known to us as 'The Only Son of the Father', the 'One' who became flesh and dwelt among us as the 'Son of Man', John 6:46, and John 1:14. Hope this makes you think beyond what we are taught to believe?
Did you know that of all the prophets in the Koran, including Mohammed, only Jesus could perform miracles and perform he did! He could talk at birth! I recall he turned stones into birds that flew away and much more! How could he do this?
By the authority of The One True God who sent him to the lost sheep of Israel ( 5:110). Solomon is also given similar powers by God’s leave (21:81 and 27:17).
You messed up how and why Jesus spoke in the cradle. When Mariam brought the baby back the people accused her of adultery. And we know from the Torah that kind of offense carries the death penalty by stoning. Jesus the baby miraculously spoke to the people in order to vindicate his mother against their accusation. But you missed such a great occasion and belittled the event and went ahead comparing the situation to some apocryphal book. What a shame. 19:16 Recount in the Book how Mary withdrew from her people to an eastern plac 19:17 and kept herself in seclusion from them. We sent her Our angel, who presented himself to her as a full-grown human being 19:18 When she saw him, she said, I seek refuge in the compassionate God from you; [do not come near] if you fear the Lord 19:19 I am only the messenger of your Lord, he replied. I shall bestow upon you the gift of a son endowed with purity 19:20 She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been unchaste 19:21 [The angel] replied, So shall it be; your Lord says, This is easy for Me; and We shall make him a sign to people and a blessing, from Us. This has been decreed 19:22 So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a distant place 19:23 The pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said, Oh, if only I had died before this and passed into oblivion 19:24 But a voice called out to her from below, Do not despair. Your Lord has provided a brook that runs at your feet 19:25 and if you shake the trunk of this palm-tree, it will drop fresh ripe dates on you 19:26 Eat and drink and rejoice. And if you see any human being say, I have vowed a fast [of silence] to the Gracious God, and will not speak with any human being today 19:27 Carrying her child, she brought him to her people. They said, O Mary, you have indeed done something terrible 19:28 Sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman 19:29 She pointed to the child. They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle 19:30 [But] he said, I am God's servant. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet 19:31 He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving throughout my life 19:32 He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me arrogant or wicked 19:33 Blessed was I on the day I was born, and blessed I shall be on the day I die and on the day I am raised to life again 19:34 Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, about which they still dispute 19:35 it does not befit the majesty of God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! He is far above that: when He decrees something, He says only, Be! and it is 19:36 God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him alone. That is the right path 19:37 Yet different groups differed among themselves. How awful it will be for those who have rejected the truth when a dreadful Day arrives.
You are also belittling the passage by translating 19:24 falsely as: ”Do not grieve. Your Lord has provided you with a stream.” The original syriac meaning of Quran’s crystal clear arabic ( as opposed to your classical arabic ) is: ”Your Lord has made your delivery legitimate.” --this was in fact the whole point of your comment.
@@economician This is the text: 19:23 The pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said, Oh, if only I had died before this and passed into oblivion 19:24 But a voice called out to her from below, Do not despair. Your Lord has provided a brook that runs at your feet 19:25 and if you shake the trunk of this palm-tree, it will drop fresh ripe dates on you 19:26 Eat and drink and rejoice. And if you see any human being say, I have vowed a fast [of silence] to the Gracious God, and will not speak with any human being today. فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَٱنتَبَذَتْ بِهِۦ مَكَانًۭا قَصِيًّۭا فَأَجَآءَهَا ٱلْمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَـٰلَيْتَنِى مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَـٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًۭا مَّنسِيًّۭافَنَادَىٰهَا مِن تَحْتِهَآ أَلَّا تَحْزَنِى قَدْ جَعَلَ رَبُّكِ تَحْتَكِ سَرِيًّۭاوَهُزِّىٓ إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ تُسَـٰقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًۭا جَنِيًّۭافَكُلِى وَٱشْرَبِى وَقَرِّى عَيْنًۭا ۖ فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ ٱلْبَشَرِ أَحَدًۭا فَقُولِىٓ إِنِّى نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَـٰنِ صَوْمًۭا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ ٱلْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّۭا What’s the problem there? A stream of water was provided for Mary to drink from and palm tree to eat dates from. Her immediate needs to satisfy her thirst and hunger were met. Completely logical and reasonable.
Your translation is tampered 19:20 -She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been unchaste- She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been *Rebellious*
Copied? Let's see; The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses: “Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.” -Psalm 137:9 “Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.” -1 Samuel 15:3 “Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.” -Jeremiah 6:11 “Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.” -Hosea 13:16 The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers: “in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.” Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.” Albert describes a massacre occurring, in cold blood, on the second day following the conquest, painting a scene that is as horrific as it is realistic and detailed: "Girls, women, matrons, tormented by fear of imminent death and horror-struck by the violent murder wrapped themselves around the Christians’ bodies in the hope to save their lives, even as the Christians were raving and venting their rage in murder of both sexes. Some threw themselves at their feet, begging them with pitiable weeping and wailing for their lives and safety. When children five or three years old saw the cruel fate of their mothers and fathers, of one accord they stepped up the weeping and pitiable clamour. But they were making these signals for pity and mercy in vain. For the Christians gave over their whole hearts to murder, so that not a suckling little male-child or female, not even an infant of one year would escape the hand of the murderer". Evoking several of these verses in practice: - (Num 31:17-18) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. - (Deut 7:2, 9:3, Num 21) thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them... - (Deut 20:16-17) thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth - (Josh 6:21, 8:24-27, 10:, 11:11-14,21-22) And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword... And cut off their thumbs and their great toes... He left none remaining: - (Judg 18:27) And they took [the things] which Micah had made ...and came unto Laish ...and smote them with the edge of sword burnt city fire. - (1 Sam 15:1-9) Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman infant and suckling ox and sheep camel and ass. - (1 Sam 27:9,11) And David smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive ... - (Ezek 9:6) Slay utterly old [and] young both maids and little children and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] mark begin at my sanctuary. This is the polar opposite of how the crusaders were treated in return; Eyewitness-chronicler of the fifth crusade, Oliver of Paderborn writes on how the starving defeated crusaders were treated after their defeat: "Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power." This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished. This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah): "includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit." This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship." It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children." بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة "To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause" -Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah: حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ» "Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries" حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ» سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ» "The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly" This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them. The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context. Surah Al-Nisaa Aya 46 - Addresses people who take Ayat from the Quran out of their context God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
Collective thinking is not good. The Crowd, Gustav Le Bon, 1895. If all continue in groups "to think" death is your shepherd. Examine yourself but not as a unit, never collectively. That would be wise but asking too much I fear.
❤️✊🏾So Jesus is looked at as a Messiah, he is truth, and we can agree on that , as it says in our holy book, the Quran. What happens when Jesus says the only way to get to God is through me? Why is it that when we pray we pray to Mohamid, he’s passed away. Are we not doing necromancy? I’ve got some questions. why is it that Jesus preaches peace and forgiveness to turn the other cheek, and yet the Quran is constantly referencing by the sword?
"Why is that when We pray to Mohamid, he's passed away. Are We not doing necromancy"?! Contrast to "Jesus is looked at as a Messiah, he is truth, and We can agree on that" Clearly, "We" you meant as Christians ✝️ who pray to Jesus as Mohamid, who are both passed away! Meaning "We" meaning you ✝️ believers are Necromancers!!! You clarified your place!
Quran never calls birth of Jesus a miraculous birth. Quran talks in 3:36 about *CHILDREN* of Mary and in 66:12 Quran confirms that Mary was married woman. In whole Quran, no any such Arabic word appears which can be translated as VIRGIN
”Also Mary, the Amramite. She maintained her chastity, then we blew into her from our spirit. She believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures; she was obedient.”66:12 The above verse confirms that Mary the daughter of Amram was chaste BEFORE God blew into her from His Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit from God and God’s Word to Mary fullfilled through the Virgin Birth. ( 4:171)
@@economician All what you have posted is incorrect and misleading. In 66:12, Mary is called "Ahsanat Farjaha" and in hadith Literature, this term "Ahsanat Farjaha" is frequently used *for a Chaste wife* who does not have a relation with any man except his Husband. Prophet Mohammad used to call his married daughter Fatimah "Ahsanat Farjaha", and same words are used in Quran 66:12 for Mary. Root of word *"Ahsanat"* is in word AHSON=FORT. Meaning of "Ahsanat Farjaha" is that woman who married to a man *in order to FORTIFY her Chastity.* *Besides; Quran talks about CHILDREN of Mary in verse 3:36*
@@economician Your comments show that you have not read whole Quran which also says: that God breaths his Spirit in the womb of every woman. So, that is not specific to Mary only. According to Quran, every human is Spirit of God, and the Biggest Exegete of Quran RAZI also wrote: _every human is spirit of God._ Life in every human body is due to Spirit of God, otherwise man will be like a dummy
@@economician 4:171 tells that Glad tiding of son were the words of God which He conveyed to Mary through angel. So this verse never have any relation with the tale of Virgin Birth. And same verse 4:171 tells that *Jesus was NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER OF GOD*
@abdar-rahma The hadith litterature is a much later product and many of the hadiths that allude to linguistic and historical contexts are in fact exegesis in disguise ( read the works of dr Joshua Little). In 5:5 God allows marriage to chaste women from among the believers and from among the people of the Scripture by saying ”wa-al-muhhsanaatu min-un mu’minaati wa-ul-muhhsanaatu min-ul-ladheena uwtuu ul-Kitaaba”. If chaste means a married woman then how can you marry an already married woman? Your hypothesis is not correct. I think you are confusing chaste single women with married obedient women in 33:35.
Muslim is praying to muhammad. Allah is created by muhammad in hadith book. There is no god but allah but allah is created by muhammad in hadith book. Is muhammad is a god alias Allah.
Context: those who wrote these lines in new restatement books were likely arguing against other rival versions of Christianity in the early period of its development, like the Gnostics. This would have been especially true of Paul, who was trying to keep his followers around the Roman Empire from joining other competing Christian sects. It really has nothing to do with Islam or Judaism for that matter. More of a dogmatic civil war within Christianity itself. You really should watch more of this channel. John covers it all. It’s quite enlightening and will add much more enriching meaning and context to the Bible
Prophet Mohammad and his all companions left behind only written Quran; no any other manuscript. So, in order to know what Islam says about Jesus; you have to learn Arabic and then you have to read and understand whole Quran. Then you will be able to know what does Quran say about Jesus. If you will trust in what Mullahs and Imams say about Jesus then you are trading in a desert because these Imams TAMPER translation of Quran to support their some unsound beliefs. Let I tell you what does Quran say about Jesus because I understand each verse of Quran. Nowhere Quran supports stories of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus. Quran confirms that Jesus was indeed on the Cross but Quran says: he was *NOT CRUCIFIED=NOT DIED ON THE CROSS* And if we do not twist Gospel of John and Luke; both Gospels also show that Jesus did not die ON THE CROSS. He was alive even after the incident of Cross. Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and died naturally, and dead never come back. If you have any RATIONAL QUESTION; I can answer it.
@@BenM61 Like vast Majority of Blindly Following Muslims who ignore Quran and instead, run after millions of forged hadiths; you too, also do not understand Quran. I have no right to make things up but to tell only what is in Book of God. See explanation in my next comments.
@@BenM61 Have you ever read Quranic verse 5:110? In that verse; Quran attaches two Specific *extraordinary* Characteristics to Jesus. Those are: Jesus was able to deliver eloquent Speech at age of childhood and even at the age of "KAHLAN". That means: Normal people do not have this kind of two Characteristics. *Now, question is: what is KAHLAN?* In order to reconcile tales of their fabricated hadiths with Quran, Sunni and Shia translators tamper translation of word "Kahlan", and they translate it as mature age. But their tampering can be easily caught because at mature age (40), almost all people are able to deliver Eloquent Speech. But verse 5:110 tells, that Kahlan was a Special Characteristics of Jesus only. That makes clear that meaning of KAHLAN is not 40 or 50 or 60 or even 80 because several people can deliver eloquent speech in these age periods. *When we read Arabic Literature and Hadith Literature of of 8th Century; it becomes clear that age of KAHLAN is that very old age when Human skin starts to putrefy and man becomes so weak that he needs someone to serve him. And that age starts usually after age 90. This makes clear that Jesus was able to deliver speech eloquently EVEN at that age which was over* 90+. *We read in over 25 Ancient Well-Known Books of Sunni sect that Prophet Mohammad said: Jesus died at age 120.* When we do non-Religious (secular) Research; that Research also proves that He died at age 120
The important thing to know about the Muslim teaching on Jesus is that it is a damnable heresy. Jesus is not merely a prophet, He is God, and faith in and obedience to Him is the only way to salvation.
😂 it is a heresy to deny that the Creator of Heaven and Earth is not a Palestinian Jew who ate, drunk, and went behind the bushes to answer the call of nature? ridiculous 😂😂
@@mikemelcher1705 If Muslims obey Ten Commandments, why do they agree or vote for the socialism policies of Iran, Iraq, or Syria? And why don’t Arab kings confess and repent to LORD because of the warning in 1 Samuel 15?
@@張洪鈞 you are speaking about humans and what they do. Go to the source material for instruction. The Quran validates sent before it. Allah asks, didn't I send a prophet with my message to every civilization from Adam until today? I believe this is telling us there is truth in all faiths if you search for it. We are to love everyone. How is this possible without understanding? I look into scripture. Not how a human tells me to understand scripture. Hopefully this makes sense.
@@mikemelcher1705 Muslims should not only read Bible or Quran and pray to God everyday, but also obey Ten Commandments with Christians, because LORD created us, and saves the grace we received with Ten Commandments. Sin is the cause of war, so Muslims should publicly call on Iran, Iraq, Syria and Arab join people in other countries obeying Ten Commandments, to honor LORD.
Jn 3: 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved 2 Co 11:4 or if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Thank you to John and everyone on the Centre Place team for tonight's fantastic Hamercopia of Knowledge. See you next week!
its always so welcoming to all :)
Every time.
It's Hamer time.
Missed the live. Looking forward to your presentation John. Very much respect to you.
Une ouverture d'esprit pour cerner la compréhension du prophète Jésus de l'Islam. Merci ❤
Thank you for your scholarship
The way in which John takes information and presents it so clearly is unique in the best way
My mind is completely blown getting a hint of John's theology, 2 hours 10 minutes and 34 seconds in. (2:10:34) It came in response to a fairly blunt question: "(why) are you even a Christian?" but the answer covered life, the universe and everything. I would love to hear a mini-lecture about John's faith. (not sure if lecture is the right word; a talk or chat maybe.) "The gospels don't need to have any kind of historicity in a cosmic sense" That's Carl Sagan levels of spirituality. 💗 When Carl Sagan was asked if he believed in God, he challenged the definition of God. "If I say Yes or if I say No you have learned absolutely nothing!" "Why would we use a word, so ambiguous, that means so many different things. It makes for social lubrication, but it is not an aid to truth."
A very interesting presentation. Even the introduction gave an excellent overview of concepts I've been trying to understand. A wonderful presentation, also a fresh perspective for me. Thanks!
Thank you so much, John, for this wonderful lecture. I've learned things I didn't imagine could be out there. Can you please make a video about Islamic apocalypse as opposed to (or in relation with) Christian apocalypse (in the Revelation and other apocryphal sources)?
Bang a gong, another great Centre Place lecture.
Great channel. Very good historical presentation. One of the best I have seen.
You're a great person and intellectual. Thank you so much.
keen for this one!!
Thanks for this John!
A very intresting take on. 4:157 with the Gnostic Jesus!
Here is a summary of the different academic schools of thought when it comes to the history of early Islam:
Traditionalist maximalists ( yaser qadhi and others)
Traditionalist minimalists (shady nasser Emran edawi etc)
Revisionist maximalists ( angelika neuwirth, sean Anthony, gabriel Said, Joshua little etc)
Revisinist minimalists ( david powers, Joseph Shomaker, the Inarah School etc)
Thank you for sharing these.
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Thanks John, this was very revealing
Thank you John. Another great presentation. This one was very interesting.
Superb lecture
John is without a doubt the most intelligent interesting scholar on Earth
2 Co 10:5 “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;”
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He's a rare find on RUclips. So many theological videos are 1) christian apologists foaming at the mouth about every jot and tittle being absolutely historical and there being only one way to interpret the bible or 2) atheists foaming at the mouth about how the one they see christianity is soooo stupid .....both sides failing to realize there are other ways of interpreting the Bible and following Jesus.
As a progressive christian, I appreciate listening to lectures from progressives like John Hamer and Elaine Pagels.
No No. Not at all
Good info. Good presentation too. But maybe calm down a little and do some more research
2:10:40 I like the summary of John’s/ CentrePlaces enlightened belief structure!
Excellent lecture on a challenging but important topic. At some later point it would be interesting to compare Jesus in Muslim eschatology vs. Christian eschatology. I think that some Muslims believe Christ will return and be part of the endgames/apocalypse...but I'm not very clear on that.
I don't think some. Most. But it's a different conception than Christians.
In Islam, Jesus is the Messiah and would return and slay the antichrist and establish justice, etc.
The Hadith litterature is all about a second coming.
The Quran on the other hand potrays the risen Jesus as somebody cut off from our realm who is totally ignorant of his followers all the way to Judgement day:
”"I told them only what You commanded me to say, that: `You shall worship GOD, my Lord and your Lord.' I was a witness among them for as long as I lived with them. When You terminated my life on earth, You became the Watcher over them. You witness all things.”5:117
What this man has told in Video is view point of Sectarian Imams but not the view point of Quran. In Quran, Jesus was indeed on the Cross but not Crucified=Not Died on Cross 4:157. Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and died naturally and dead never come back. Quran never supports stories of Virgin Birth and Return of Jesus. I know each verse of Quran
Thank you John! You mentioned non-christian jewish gnosticism. Could you name some sources for this?
John, you are one of the few that get the history of the movement called The Poor right -- very impressive. And you are very articulate when you talk about it. But people asked you a question about your faith (I have been wondering that myself; I know what you know and I can't even imagine being religious) and ... that was hard to hear ... and the first time I had to listen to what you said twice and I still have no idea what the hell that was.
I'm not happy with that answer - the problem was that questioners had been combined (1) was a traditional Christian who was struggling to hold on in the torrent of the information I present, and (2) the second was someone who was outside religion and couldn't see the point at all. I attempting to straddle those competing needs of two distinct questioners with a single answer, and I think I flubbed it. I think I did a better job with questions at the end of the next week's lecture (Jesus First Followers According to Q). See if you find that less grating on the ears and more understandable.
@@HamerToronto I did. Much better! I guess we call that Humanist. Or, more recently, the Jesus Movement. In the first century, this sounds close to Philo: God is aloof and does not need prayer or sacrifice but I am a Jew and there are rules to follow.
@@HamerToronto While I have you and since you touched upon it, why do you think there isn't an occasion on which Yakov is quoted as speaking on behalf of the council where he as much as mentions his brother Yeshua (I refer to them by their actual names to stress historicity while reserving James and Jesus to the characters created over time), let alone quoting him as an authority? Every word out of his mouth is the Torah (e.g. let's write them a letter telling them what [Torah] rules they should follow for the [Torah] not to be too much of a burden for them) and every action he takes is grounded in the Torah (e.g. getting Paul to pay for Nazarites)?
a truth seeker must ask how did muhamad unlettered man in the 7th centuary gives us stories of jesus infancey that is not even mentioned in the canonical gospels but in the non canonical gospels that have been discovered just recently , the nag hamadi library ?
Thanks!
Mulțumim!
Intriguing! This well articulated presentation debunks many Islamic claims. At this point It’s common knowledge that Mohammad took bits and peaces from earlier Christian and Jewish texts. Islam and Mormonism are in fact extremely similar in that regard. Cheers for all your in depth research!!
He depunked nothing, he just explained how you believe in Three God's but Muslims believe in One, that's why you are pagan.
More videos on history of Islam please! It is really interesting how their philosophy has evolved from the early local beliefs and different local alternative christianities.
Love this sleeping material
Will you ever do episodes with other Bible and Theology scholars on RUclips?
I don't have time to listen to all of this, but I will just correct one thing. The majority of Muslims (who are followers of the Sunnah) do not believe the Quran is "eternal" in the sense of co-equal with God, so this false parallel about it having the same logical fallacy as the trinity does not apply. According to the Hadith the first thing Allah created was Al-Kalam and Al-Lawh al-Mahfuz, the Pen and the Preserved Tablet which is where the decrees of God are recorded. I made it through the first hour and 20 minutes, I'll try to finish the rest later.
Interesting timeline, I wonder which other ‘peoples’ made Christianity their state religion before Rome…
i would love to hear more on johns take on plant medicine in the bible, specifically the modern take that mana was mushrooms or the vision with the burning bush was dmt x blue lotus rituals. this was such a fun and lively lecture!
He generally loves those angles.
My humble request to all please read Brother of Jesus and lost teachings of Christianity by Prof. Jeffry Butz.
Will check it out thank you
There's a commandment about bearing false witness but what about snitching? That's a problem too.
I'm very surprised to see you don't couch any of your statements about Muhammed as "according to the Quran". You speak about Muhammed as if you are reciting something historical, but almost everything you say about him is simple taken - without any critical or academic analysis - straight from the pages of the Quran. You would never in a million years treat the bible as straight history. So I am puzzled why are you doing exactly that for the Quran?
I appreciate this response. When talking about the Gospel of Matthew, I do sometimes talk about the author as Matthew, even though the author is not Matthew. What I mean to say in this lecture is not the historical Muhammed says, but the "authors of the Quran as it was eventually compiled say:"
@@HamerToronto I'm referring to the first part where you give a rundown of the "history", eg, Muhammad was born in Mecca, etc. It's all presented as straight history, even though i'm pretty sure the only source for all of it is the Quran (and the archeology doesn't support it in the slightest). It stood out as a very different treatment from when you talk about the bible, which you always make sure to repeat over and over is not history. If your only source is the Quran, that should be made clear.
@@Rannsack , (One of Muslims central pillars of faith is) the Quran is direct revelation by God to humans, not a recollection of witness accounts/disciples like Gospels. So you can't find references of Muhammad and his companions' history in Quran. Those witness accounts are recorded in collection of Hadiths (recollection of life, sayings and acts of Muhammad according to his companions), which is not a sacred scripture but has a legal standing in school of Islamic jurisprudence.
I have issue with how you interpreted the following verse 19:32
19:32 He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me arrogant or wicked
19:33 Blessed was I on the day I was born, and blessed I shall be on the day I die and on the day I am raised to life again.
You claimed that when the baby Jesus said “He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me _arrogant or wicked_” he was referring to being wicked and arrogant in his childhood. Not necessarily. He was talking about himself later on in life not when he is a baby. Just a few verses before that we read: 19:29 She pointed to the child. They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle
19:30 [But] he said, I am God's servant. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet
19:31 He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving throughout my life.” He is talking about his life to come later on. How he is going to be a prophet and a messenger to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Your views are clouded by your Christian education and you try to project your distorted views on the Quran. And I believe you do it clumsily. I watched until minute 44 but I couldn’t stand it any longer.
Your translation is Tampered.
-They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle-
They said, How shall we talk to someone who *WAS* a child in the cradle (not a long time ago)
Mean: a Child
When a 12 year boy was debating over 50 years Rabbis. They got angry and said: How can we talk this boy who, not a long time age, was in cradle.
@@abdar-rahman6965 Your knowledge of Arabic grammar is very basic it seems.
لفظة " كان " لا تدل دائماً على الماضي المنقطع ، وإن كان هذا هو المشهور الغالب في استعمالها ، وقد جاء ذِكرها في كلام العرب وفي كتاب الله تعالى بمعنى " لم يزل " وهي تدل بذلك على " الاستمرارية " لا الانقطاع ، ومنه قوله تعالى ( وَكَانَ الإِنسَانُ عَجُولاً ) الإسراء/ 11 ، فهل يعني ذلك انقطاعه عن الإنسان ؟! ، ومنه قوله تعالى ( إِنَّ الشَّيْطَانَ كَانَ لِلإِنْسَانِ عَدُوًّا مُّبِينًا ) الإسراء/ 53 ، فهل انقطعت عداوة الشيطان للإنسان وكانت في فقط في زمن مضى ؟! ، وأولى ما يتعيَّن هذا المعنى فيه هو فيما إذا جاءت في سياق أسماء الله تعالى وصفاته.
" وَكَانَ اللَّهُ غَفُورًا رَحِيمًا [النساء: 96] سَمَّى نَفْسَهُ ذَلِكَ، وَذَلِكَ قَوْلُهُ ؛ أَيْ لَمْ يَزَلْ كَذَلِكَ ، فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ لَمْ يُرِدْ شَيْئًا إِلَّا أَصَابَ بِهِ الَّذِي أَرَادَ، فَلاَ يَخْتَلِفْ عَلَيْكَ القُرْآنُ، فَإِنَّ كُلًّا مِنْ عِنْدِ اللَّهِ "
وقال محيي الدين درويش - رحمه الله - : " " كان " في القرآن على خمسة أوجه :
1. بمعنى الأزل والأبد نحو ( وَكَانَ اللَّهُ عَلِيماً حَكِيماً ) النساء/ 17 ، وغيرها .
2. بمعنى المضيّ المنقطع نحو ( وَكَانَ فِي الْمَدِينَةِ تِسْعَةُ رَهْطٍ ) النمل/ 48 .
3. بمعنى الحال نحو ( كُنتُمْ خَيْرَ أُمَّةٍ ) آل عمران/ 110 .
4. بمعنى الاستقبال نحو ( وَيَخَافُونَ يَوْمًا كَانَ شَرُّهُ مُسْتَطِيرًا ) الإنسان/ 7 .
5. بمعنى صار نحو ( وَكَانَ مِنَ الْكَافِرِينَ ) البقرة/ 34 ، ص/ 74 " انتهى من " إعراب القرآن وبيانه " ( 10 / 318 )
Now if we look at the text in context we can see what كان means.
19:26 فَكُلِی وَٱشۡرَبِی وَقَرِّی عَیۡنࣰاۖ فَإِمَّا تَرَیِنَّ مِنَ ٱلۡبَشَرِ أَحَدࣰا فَقُولِیۤ إِنِّی نَذَرۡتُ لِلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ صَوۡمࣰا فَلَنۡ أُكَلِّمَ ٱلۡیَوۡمَ إِنسِیࣰّا ٢٦
19:27 فَأَتَتۡ بِهِۦ قَوۡمَهَا تَحۡمِلُهُۥۖ قَالُوا۟ یَـٰمَرۡیَمُ لَقَدۡ جِئۡتِ شَیۡءࣰا فَرِیࣰّا ٢٧
19:28 یَـٰۤأُخۡتَ هَـٰرُونَ مَا كَانَ أَبُوكِ ٱمۡرَأَ سَوۡءࣲ وَمَا كَانَتۡ أُمُّكِ بَغِیࣰّا ٢٨
19:29 فَأَشَارَتۡ إِلَیۡهِۖ قَالُوا۟ كَیۡفَ نُكَلِّمُ مَن كَانَ فِی ٱلۡمَهۡدِ صَبِیࣰّا ٢٩
Translation from The Clear Quran
19:25 And shake the trunk of this palm tree towards you, it will drop fresh, ripe dates upon you.
19:26 So eat and drink, and put your heart at ease. But if you see any of the people, say, ‘I have vowed silence to the Most Compassionate, so I am not talking to anyone today.’”
19:27 Then she returned to her people, carrying him. They said ˹in shock˺, “O Mary! You have certainly done a horrible thing!
19:28 O sister of Aaron! Your father was not an indecent man, nor was your mother unchaste.”
19:29 So she pointed to the baby. They exclaimed, “How can we talk to someone who is an infant in the cradle?”
Mariam had a vow of silence when she came back to her people with the baby in her arms. When they accused her of indecency she only pointed to the baby who basically vindicated his mother. Your confusion stems from a lack of understanding of basic Arabic grammar.
700 years later is sketchy
Over 95% of the New Testament manuscripts are also after the 9th century
I know each verse of Quran. Quran never denies nailing of Jesus on Cross but denies his Crucifixion which means: he did not die on the Cross, and same is stand of Luke and John and non-religious history
I've changed my entire world view on Christianity thanks to these lectures. I see Jesus now as just a man with GREAT IDEAS at the right time just like George Washington and Martin Luther King Jr. The supernatural aspect seems superfluous now as it would if we made MLK Jr. the son of God.
The supernatural story telling seems to be a literary device design to elevate and inspire our imaginations. You can still a BE A CHRISTIAN without making Jesus Christ into a divine being. That is a very profound perspective I had never considered.
I agree. Thanks for sharing.
I think JC was a Platonist.
Just the coolest rabbi ever. 🤙
@saquist Read these cited scriptures. you are in danger. Jn 3:18 Acts 4:12 Ask Jesus about your doubt to help you overcome. and 2 Tim 2:13-20
If you are not grounded in the Word it is easy to get swayed by men's teaching. Always use Scripture as confirmation as to what these people preach. if it does not align then it is not scriptural and not the Truth. simple. about what this teacher teaches is he an apologetic ? look that word up even smh. l Jms 3:1 Ro 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
@@I.Clarify Are these not “men’s teachings”?
One could argue that scripture itself is Man’s perception of the Devine. Subject to limitations.
Scripture doesn’t have an inherent meaning, it is all up for interpretation by a reader, scholar, or religious leader.
Thanks... Paul didn't change anything. His teaching are in line with Jesu' teaching and with all Jesus' disciples' teaching. He was led by the Holy Spirit just like the other apostles.
Very good insight though. Thanks.
Ok. Find one verse from Paul about the virgin birth
Lool Paul is a liar. He never met Jesus or saw Jesus .he created Christianity and fooled people to follow his false doctrines
1:32:17 my favorite quote from Muslim Jesus
An image isn't a magical device until a magician (pagan priest) does the appropriate incantation over it, inviting the deity called upon to take possession. Only then is the horcrux numinous. The pagan elements of Christianity are no different in principle ... hence recurring iconoclasm similar to young Abraham. Jews, Muslims and Christian Unitarians will differ on the monotheism of the Trinitarians ;-) The "transubstantiation" view of communion is a horcrux, but the "symbolic memorial" view of Zwingli is not.
This is sick (in a good way). Thanks!!!
Not at all, Quran categorically mentions Jesus was the word of God. Jesus is very important in Islam. Also Quran was revealed to the Arabs in their language for them to understand clearly. One may not grasp the meaning of translated word. “ Son of god” wouldve meant different in different languages.
their view is one of delighting to slight the TRUE GOD WHO is JESUS by insisting on some figment of muhammad;s vanity to do so.
Have you read your own Scripture?
”Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you(the only true God) have sent.” John 17:3
i would also really love to hear a talk on the literary link between the gospel of luke and the bacchae and in general the similairities between dionysus and jesus in the septugent (i probably spelled that awful)
Good lecture, but I do find that Christians really struggle grasping theology outside of their own.
The Quran being Uncreated doesn't make it a God. If a God is a type of person, then the Quran need no more be a God than formless matter which a Creator God may make the world from.
Also, Neoplatonists would not define The One as "the real God," implying that the other Gods are fake. They were polytheists. Proclus, for example, refers to the Gods as "Henads," which means "Units/Ones." "The One" is the principle or Form of Godhood, in the same way that "Humanity" is the principle that makes humans human. There is no more "one real God" than there is "one real human" or "one real horse". The Forms have causative power, but their emanations aren't false.
They ultimately are.
Sean W. Anthony is a historian of early Islamic history and Arabic literature.
This is what Sean Anthony said about the Syriac infancy gospel and Jesus speaking in the cradle: “My view is that the Qur'an influenced the Arabic Infancy Gospel. To my knowledge, there is no attestation to an episode in which the infant Jesus speaks from the cradle to defend Mary that appears in an infancy Gospel (Syriac, etc.) PRIOR to the 7th cent.” Why didn’t you mention that?
Quran is very Clear, but Sectarian Translators TAMPER translation of Quran, Quran never supports tales of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus.
Quran tells: though Jesus SURVIVED DEATH ON THE CROSS but he died naturally at age over 100 years, and dead never come back. We know each verse of Quran.'
Also know that in Ancient Copies of 4 Gospels, these two fables (which I have mentioned above) never existed. These fables were invented by Church much later
@@abdar-rahman6965 Mariam
conceived Jesus without any male intervention.
19:16 وَٱذۡكُرۡ فِی ٱلۡكِتَـٰبِ مَرۡیَمَ إِذِ ٱنتَبَذَتۡ مِنۡ أَهۡلِهَا مَكَانࣰا شَرۡقِیࣰّا ١٦
19:17 فَٱتَّخَذَتۡ مِن دُونِهِمۡ حِجَابࣰا فَأَرۡسَلۡنَاۤ إِلَیۡهَا رُوحَنَا فَتَمَثَّلَ لَهَا بَشَرࣰا سَوِیࣰّا ١٧
19:18 قَالَتۡ إِنِّیۤ أَعُوذُ بِٱلرَّحۡمَـٰنِ مِنكَ إِن كُنتَ تَقِیࣰّا ١٨
19:19 قَالَ إِنَّمَاۤ أَنَا۠ رَسُولُ رَبِّكِ لِأَهَبَ لَكِ غُلَـٰمࣰا زَكِیࣰّا ١٩
19:20 قَالَتۡ أَنَّىٰ یَكُونُ لِی غُلَـٰمࣱ وَلَمۡ یَمۡسَسۡنِی بَشَرࣱ وَلَمۡ أَكُ بَغِیࣰّا ٢٠
19:21 قَالَ كَذَ ٰلِكِ قَالَ رَبُّكِ هُوَ عَلَیَّ هَیِّنࣱۖ وَلِنَجۡعَلَهُۥۤ ءَایَةࣰ لِّلنَّاسِ وَرَحۡمَةࣰ مِّنَّاۚ وَكَانَ أَمۡرࣰا مَّقۡضِیࣰّا ٢١
19:22 ۞ فَحَمَلَتۡهُ فَٱنتَبَذَتۡ بِهِۦ مَكَانࣰا قَصِیࣰّا ٢٢
19:23 فَأَجَاۤءَهَا ٱلۡمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذۡعِ ٱلنَّخۡلَةِ قَالَتۡ یَـٰلَیۡتَنِی مِتُّ قَبۡلَ هَـٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسۡیࣰا مَّنسِیࣰّا ٢٣
19:16 And mention in the Book ˹O Prophet, the story of˺ Mary when she withdrew from her family to a place in the east,
19:17 screening herself off from them. Then We sent to her Our angel, ˹Gabriel,˺ appearing before her as a man, perfectly formed.
19:18 She appealed, “I truly seek refuge in the Most Compassionate from you! ˹So leave me alone˺ if you are God-fearing.”
19:19 He responded, “I am only a messenger from your Lord, ˹sent˺ to bless you with a pure son.”
19:20 She wondered, “How can I have a son when no man has ever touched me, nor am I unchaste?”
19:21 He replied, “So will it be! Your Lord says, ‘It is easy for Me. And so will We make him a sign for humanity and a mercy from Us.’ It is a matter ˹already˺ decreed.”
19:22 So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a remote place.
19:23 Then the pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a palm tree. She cried, “Alas! I wish I had died before this, and was a thing long forgotten!”
It is stated clearly that Mary was a virgin when she became pregnant with Jesus.
Please learn the history of Rambam who reform jews religion which was polytheist before 800 year after he learn Quran and Islam. When islam come the christian and Jews were polytheist
The Muslims have a more respectful interpretation of Mary and Ishu than the "Pharisees" (after the Eastern Europeans convert by the Babylonian Pharisee, then one can mention Judaism because it did not exist in Ishu's time). Horrible things are said about Mary within those fifty-six books!
Doesn't take a genius to figure that one out. The Pharisees did not believe in Jesus and had him turned over for crucifixion
I'm not a theologian but I'm pretty sure that if Christ didn't die, then Christ didn't die for your sins. Therefore, if you are a Yahweh worshiper who thinks that Christ *did* die for humanity's sins, you've got to admit that 1.9 billion fellow Yahweh worshipers (Muslims) are dead wrong. (or should that be 'alive-wrong' since Muslims believe he survived crucifixion)
Jesus died at age 120. Dead never come back
They teach the apocryphal Jesus and not the canonical Jesus.
Both Christians and Muslims believes in Jesus's second coming.
Jesus of his desciples and early followers will be with Muslims in his second coming.
Jesus of Paul, early Church fathers and Nicene Creed will be with Christians in his second coming.
Mullahs and their Igno followers believe in return of Jesus but Quran never supports this story. In Quran, Jesus died naturally in age over 100 years, and dead never come back. Even in ancient Copies of 4 Gospels, that story of Return of Jesus NEVER EXISTED
@@abdar-rahman6965 Who wrote four Gospels know one knows Anonymous.
Few comments: 1- The story of Muhammad going to Syria and being affirmed as a prophet was a later introduction, and many Muslims don't believe that it is authentic. 2- When Mary comes to her family with baby Jesus, the Quran says, "sister of Aaron, your father was not of bad character and your mother was not a prostitute", sister of Aaron is a figure of speech to affirm her lineage to Aaron. 3- During the Middle Ages, there were various school of philosophy who had arguments about the Quran being created or eternal. However, Sunni Moslems are not required to believe that the Quran is eternal, just that it is the word of God. I am not sure what is your supporting evidence to the claim that you made. All Muslims have no issue believing that the Quran was created. As a matter of fact, most of the Quran is a response to specific incidents or statements made by pagans, Christians or Jewish figures. 4- The message that Jesus spread is called the Injeel. People translate it as the Gospels which is wrong. The canonical Gospels are stories and theologies of various writers, and the Quran says that they are mostly fake. The same applies to the Torah.
Subhanallah
Quran is not history book. Quran interested only the message that prophets delivered and how they worship God not their story
I know each verse of Quran. Quran never supports tales of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus; and even these two tales never exist in ancient copies of 4 Gospels
@abdar-rahman6965
The Quran is very clear when it comes to the virgin birth:
”She said, "My Lord, how can I have a son, when no man has touched me?" He said, "GOD thus creates whatever He wills. To have anything done, He simply says to it, `Be,' and it is.” 3:47
”The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.” 3:59
@@economician
Verse 3:47 never tells you that Jesus was born without human Father. *People have been misinterpreting this verse for centuries in order to support a fable.* When Mary told angel, how can I have son; at that time she was unmarried, but nowhere Quran tells that after that glad tiding, she did not marry whole life, and she remained virgin. Verse 66:12, 3:36 confirm that she was married. In Whole Quran, no any Arabic word appears which can be translated as virgin. Several verses of Quran show that God created all humans from dust and sperm 76:1...76:5, 40:67, 22:5 and Jesus is not exempted from this law. Can you show me any verse which tells that Jesus was exempted from this law?
Can you show me any verse of Quran which tells:
JESUS WAS BORN WITHOUT HUMAN FATHER?
I have already explained that Quran in 66:12 and 3:36 confirms that Mary was a married woman
@@economician
*Where does Quran say that Birth of Jesus is exempted from Quranic verse 22:5?*
God says:
_O MEN! If you are in doubt as to the [truth of] resurrection, [remember that,] _*_verily, We have created [every one of] you out of dust, then out of a drop of sperm,_*_ then out of a germ-cell, then out of an embryonic lump complete [in itself] and yet incomplete so that _*_We might make_*_ [your origin] clear unto you. And _*_whatever We will_*_ [to be born] _*_We cause to_*_ rest in the [mothers’] wombs for a term set [by Us], and then _*_We bring_*_ you forth as infants and [allow you to live] so that [some of] you might attain to maturity: for among you are such as are caused to die [in childhood], just as many a one of you is reduced in old age to a most abject state, ceasing to know anything of what he once knew so well. And [if, O man, thou art still in doubt as to resurrection, consider this:] thou canst see the earth dry and lifeless - and [suddenly,] _*_when We send down_*_ waters upon it, it stirs and swells and puts forth every kind of lovely plant!_ (Asad)
The baby Jesus answers your question when he speaks from the crib:
”"I am to honor my mother; He did not make me a disobedient rebel.” 19:32
The baby Jesus does not say ” I am to honor my mother and my father” and the baby Jesus does not say ”I am to honor my parents”. Rather the baby Jesus whose Virgin Birth fulfilled God’s Word to Mary specifically says:
”I am to honor my mother”
Contrast this to John the baptist who is described as having honored his parents a couple of verse before:
”He honored his parents, and was never a disobedient tyrant.” 19:32
Regarding 76:2 it seems that you are reading to much into that verse:
”Is it not a fact that there was a time when the human being was nothing to be mentioned?We created the human from a liquid mixture, from two parents, in order to test him. Thus, we made him a hearer and a seer.”76:1-2
The parents mentioned in 76::1-2 is clearly referencing Adam and Eve since Adam and Eve are an allegory for two humans created and not born but that each human born in the past, present and the future is a combination of this ”liquid mixture” that came from both Adam and Eve.
@@abdar-rahman6965you misunderstand. Mary was betrothed to Joseph. Promised in marriage. But she found she was pregnant and he was going to quietly put her away. But joseph recieved a dream where he was told it was a special birth snd to continue,with the marriage. It also says he never touched her until after she had jesus. This, he had other brothers and sf sisters, half siblings because Mary became pregnant by a miracle as per the will of God. Its said it was necessary to have divine intervention in the birth of the messiah in order for him to be free of the weakness to commit sin, so that he never sinned ( broke his law)
read Ouran 61:6
muhamad had christian cousins ? that is new to me , no where i have heard it or read it or studied it or taught it , warqa ibn nawfal the uncle of his wife khadijah he had knowledge of the syriac peshitta bible , but he died soon after muhamad started his mission , but cousins ? check your sources friend , this is an odd ball
Why wouldn't he have cousins???????
he had lots of cousins but not christian cousins
I know each verse of Quran. Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and naturally died, and dead never come back. And same is the stand of Non-Religious history
Quran makes very Clear that Abraham used to have One Religion and that is ISLAM, and he has nothing to do with Dogmas of Pauline Christianity and Talmudists' Judaism
the prphet ws brn exct/y 5 centuries after fa// f Jerusa/em , Jesus be/ieved in him
It is Quran which tells you the status of Jesus; not sectarian Mullahs and Imams. Have up learned Arabic in order to understand the Quran?
1:29:23
Which is not the true Jesus.
😂😂😂 Ok professor. Religious fanatics are hilarious 😂 😂😂
Back off! He just made a simple opinion. And you call him a fanatic now? Grow up
The tile of the lecture is ‘The Muslim View of Jesus’ but all we get is comparisons between the Christian tradition and the Muslim one. You are jumping around from books you call apocryphal and the accepted books in the Christian bible. Why don’t you just talk about how Jesus is viewed in the Quran without poisoning the well so to speak with your polemics.
He's doing exactly that. He's showing how Muslims (or rather, the Quran) view Jesus and adding WHY they do so and WHERE they got the view from. It should be noted that the CoC doesn't have a polemical view against apocryphal Christian texts. This is a Mormon church. They have their own apocryphal (some say heretical) scriptures.
All Muslim traditions=Hadiths are Fabricated. Mohammad and his companions left behind only written Quran, and in Quran, Jesus is naturally dead and dead never come back
Does yhwh know the earth is a sphere? The Bible says no.
Scripture shows us that before the Creation of the Heavens and all life in them and the Earth and all life in and on it, Spirit Beings existed, the אלהים ALaHaYM (Elohim), Genesis 1:1. The word ALaHaYM is in the plural, yet, when translated into English becomes the word 'God' which is singular. So here we have the beginning of Confusion.
Because the word 'God' is singular, then we are to believe there can only be 'One God', but this is not what the Scriptures, the word of the Spirit, reveals to us! If no one has seen 'God' at any time or even heard His voice then we have to ask these questions:
Who breathed into the nostrils of Adam the Breath of Life?
who took one of Adams ribs to Create Eve?
Who were Adam and Eve hiding from in the Garden?
Who spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden?
Who did they hear speaking to them concerning what they had done wrong?
The answer is, there is 'One' Spirit Being who has never been seen by Man, who we have come to know as 'Our Father' and 'One' Spirit Being who we have seen and heard, known to us as 'The Only Son of the Father', the 'One' who became flesh and dwelt among us as the 'Son of Man', John 6:46, and John 1:14. Hope this makes you think beyond what we are taught to believe?
Many of your questions are forgery...so it's false information since the beginning
Sister for Aaron is not means that they are real sister It is like jews say Jesus is my brother. The jews using this til know.
Did you know that of all the prophets in the Koran, including Mohammed, only Jesus could perform miracles and perform he did! He could talk at birth! I recall he turned stones into birds that flew away and much more! How could he do this?
Because Muhammad heard these apocryphal stories on his travels.
Case closed.
By the authority of The One True God who sent him to the lost sheep of Israel ( 5:110).
Solomon is also given similar powers by God’s leave (21:81 and 27:17).
Quran tells that all Miracles were from God, not from Jesus or from any other Prophet
Nice job. Its just boring as crap. But that is the material
You messed up how and why Jesus spoke in the cradle. When Mariam brought the baby back the people accused her of adultery. And we know from the Torah that kind of offense carries the death penalty by stoning. Jesus the baby miraculously spoke to the people in order to vindicate his mother against their accusation. But you missed such a great occasion and belittled the event and went ahead comparing the situation to some apocryphal book. What a shame.
19:16 Recount in the Book how Mary withdrew from her people to an eastern plac
19:17 and kept herself in seclusion from them. We sent her Our angel, who presented himself to her as a full-grown human being
19:18 When she saw him, she said, I seek refuge in the compassionate God from you; [do not come near] if you fear the Lord
19:19 I am only the messenger of your Lord, he replied. I shall bestow upon you the gift of a son endowed with purity
19:20 She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been unchaste
19:21 [The angel] replied, So shall it be; your Lord says, This is easy for Me; and We shall make him a sign to people and a blessing, from Us. This has been decreed
19:22 So she conceived him and withdrew with him to a distant place
19:23 The pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said, Oh, if only I had died before this and passed into oblivion
19:24 But a voice called out to her from below, Do not despair. Your Lord has provided a brook that runs at your feet
19:25 and if you shake the trunk of this palm-tree, it will drop fresh ripe dates on you
19:26 Eat and drink and rejoice. And if you see any human being say, I have vowed a fast [of silence] to the Gracious God, and will not speak with any human being today
19:27 Carrying her child, she brought him to her people. They said, O Mary, you have indeed done something terrible
19:28 Sister of Aaron, your father was not an evil man, nor was your mother an unchaste woman
19:29 She pointed to the child. They said, How shall we talk to someone who is a child in the cradle
19:30 [But] he said, I am God's servant. He has given me the Book and made me a prophet
19:31 He has made me blessed wherever I may be, and has enjoined upon me prayer and almsgiving throughout my life
19:32 He has made me dutiful toward my mother, and He has not made me arrogant or wicked
19:33 Blessed was I on the day I was born, and blessed I shall be on the day I die and on the day I am raised to life again
19:34 Such was Jesus, the son of Mary. That is the whole truth, about which they still dispute
19:35 it does not befit the majesty of God that He should beget a son. Glory be to Him! He is far above that: when He decrees something, He says only, Be! and it is
19:36 God is my Lord and your Lord, so worship Him alone. That is the right path
19:37 Yet different groups differed among themselves. How awful it will be for those who have rejected the truth when a dreadful Day arrives.
You are also belittling the passage by translating 19:24 falsely as:
”Do not grieve. Your Lord has provided you with a stream.”
The original syriac meaning of Quran’s crystal clear arabic ( as opposed to your classical arabic ) is:
”Your Lord has made your delivery legitimate.” --this was in fact the whole point of your comment.
@@economician What in the world are you talking about?
@@economician This is the text:
19:23 The pains of labour drove her to the trunk of a date-palm. She said, Oh, if only I had died before this and passed into oblivion
19:24 But a voice called out to her from below, Do not despair. Your Lord has provided a brook that runs at your feet
19:25 and if you shake the trunk of this palm-tree, it will drop fresh ripe dates on you
19:26 Eat and drink and rejoice. And if you see any human being say, I have vowed a fast [of silence] to the Gracious God, and will not speak with any human being today.
فَحَمَلَتْهُ فَٱنتَبَذَتْ بِهِۦ مَكَانًۭا قَصِيًّۭا
فَأَجَآءَهَا ٱلْمَخَاضُ إِلَىٰ جِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ قَالَتْ يَـٰلَيْتَنِى مِتُّ قَبْلَ هَـٰذَا وَكُنتُ نَسْيًۭا مَّنسِيًّۭافَنَادَىٰهَا مِن تَحْتِهَآ أَلَّا تَحْزَنِى قَدْ جَعَلَ رَبُّكِ تَحْتَكِ سَرِيًّۭاوَهُزِّىٓ إِلَيْكِ بِجِذْعِ ٱلنَّخْلَةِ تُسَـٰقِطْ عَلَيْكِ رُطَبًۭا جَنِيًّۭافَكُلِى وَٱشْرَبِى وَقَرِّى عَيْنًۭا ۖ فَإِمَّا تَرَيِنَّ مِنَ ٱلْبَشَرِ أَحَدًۭا فَقُولِىٓ إِنِّى نَذَرْتُ لِلرَّحْمَـٰنِ صَوْمًۭا فَلَنْ أُكَلِّمَ ٱلْيَوْمَ إِنسِيًّۭا
What’s the problem there? A stream of water was provided for Mary to drink from and palm tree to eat dates from. Her immediate needs to satisfy her thirst and hunger were met. Completely logical and reasonable.
Quran never supports fables of Return of Jesus and his Virgin Birth. I know each verse of Quran. But Sectarian Translators TAMPER translation of Quran
Your translation is tampered
19:20
-She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been unchaste-
She said, How can I have a son when no man has touched me; and neither have I been *Rebellious*
First of all; praise the Lord Jesus. 🙏🏽
Second: THOSE MESSENGER NAMES 💀💀💀😂😂😂😂
Copied? Let's see; The word עוֹלֵל, ʿôlēl which means 'Babe, infant, little one, a suckling' occurs 21 King James Bible Verses Of these verses:
“Happy shall he be, that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones.”
-Psalm 137:9
“Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass.”
-1 Samuel 15:3
“Therefore I am full of the fury of the LORD; I am weary with holding in: I will pour it out upon the children abroad, and upon the assembly of young men together: for even the husband with the wife shall be taken, the aged with him that is full of days.”
-Jeremiah 6:11
“Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.”
-Hosea 13:16
The other verses are not much different. Infact it is always in association with violence. Indeed these verses are the reason why in the Crusades the sense of pious rejoicing at massacre does not appear to be the product of later theologizing; it is also found, in the account of the eye-witness Raymond of Aguilers:
“in the Temple and porch of Solomon, men rode in blood up to their knees and bridle reins. Indeed, it was a just and splendid judgment of God that this place should be filled with the blood of the unbelievers, since it had suffered so long from their blasphemies.” In fact, Raymond continues, “This day, I say, will be famous in all future ages, for it turned our labours and sorrows into joy and exultation; this day, I say, marks the justification of all Christianity, the humiliation of paganism, and the renewal of our faith.”
Another account by a chronicler and eyewitness-priest, Albert of Aachen, describes the killing of fleeing women, and depicts crusaders as:: “seizing [infants who were still suckling] by the soles of their feet from their mothers’ laps or their cradles…and dashing them against the walls or lintels of the doors and breaking their necks […] they were sparing absolutely no gentile of any age or kind.”The incoherence inherent in a stranger to Abraham calling the children of Abraham gentiles notwithstanding, this account evokes the very same Psalm 137:9 imprecation against Babylon, in Latin, “beatus qui tenebit et adlidet parvulos tuos ad petram.”
Albert describes a massacre occurring, in cold blood, on the second day following the conquest, painting a scene that is as horrific as it is realistic and detailed: "Girls, women, matrons, tormented by fear of imminent death and horror-struck by the violent murder wrapped themselves around the Christians’ bodies in the hope to save their lives, even as the Christians were raving and venting their rage in murder of both sexes. Some threw themselves at their feet, begging them with pitiable weeping and wailing for their lives and safety. When children five or three years old saw the cruel fate of their mothers and fathers, of one accord they stepped up the weeping and pitiable clamour. But they were making these signals for pity and mercy in vain. For the Christians gave over their whole hearts to murder, so that not a suckling little male-child or female, not even an infant of one year would escape the hand of the murderer".
Evoking several of these verses in practice:
- (Num 31:17-18) Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
- (Deut 7:2, 9:3, Num 21) thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor shew mercy unto them...
- (Deut 20:16-17) thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth
- (Josh 6:21, 8:24-27, 10:, 11:11-14,21-22) And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword... And cut off their thumbs and their great toes... He left none remaining:
- (Judg 18:27) And they took [the things] which Micah had made ...and came unto Laish ...and smote them with the edge of sword burnt city fire.
- (1 Sam 15:1-9) Now go and smite Amalek and utterly destroy all that they have and spare them not but slay both man and woman infant and suckling ox and sheep camel and ass.
- (1 Sam 27:9,11) And David smote the land and left neither man nor woman alive ...
- (Ezek 9:6) Slay utterly old [and] young both maids and little children and women: but come not near any man upon whom [is] mark begin at my sanctuary.
This is the polar opposite of how the crusaders were treated in return; Eyewitness-chronicler of the fifth crusade, Oliver of Paderborn writes on how the starving defeated crusaders were treated after their defeat:
"Who could doubt that such goodness, friendship and charity come from God? Men whose parents, sons and daughters, brothers and sisters, had died in agony at our hands, whose lands we took, whom we drove naked from their homes, revived us with their own food when we were dying of hunger and showered us with kindness even when we were in their power."
This is the polar opposite in the Quran in Surah Al-Tanwir, literally "The Englightenining" Surah, Aya 8-9, we have the death of a newborn is mentioned amongst the penultimate signs of the end of times, emphasizing the gravity of such an action. That child, now resurrected, is asked for what wrong doing was she murdered. This is to emphasize that she had done nothing wrong, for she had done nothing wrong and this is the day of retribution where those who omitted the evil are to be punished.
This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190, which exhorts to fight unbelievers and not be "Aggressors", in the commentary of what it means to be aggressors, this was stated Al-Hasan Al-Basri stated that transgression (indicated by the Ayah):
"includes mutilating the dead, theft (from the captured goods), killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit."
This is also the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, `Umar bin `Abdul-`Aziz, Muqatil bin Hayyan and others. Muslim recorded in his Sahih that Buraydah narrated that Allah's Messenger said: "Fight for the sake of Allah and fight those who disbelieve in Allah. Fight, but do not steal, commit treachery, mutilate, or kill a child, or those who reside in houses of worship."
It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Ibn `Umar said, "The Prophet forbade killing women and children."
بابتداء القتال أو بقتال من نهيتم عن قتاله من النساء والشيوخ والصبيان والذين بينكم وبينهم عهد أو بالمثلة أو بالمفاجأة من غير دعوة
"To kill those whom you were forbidden to from women, elderly, children and those whom betwixt you is a treaty or custom or by surprise or without cause"
-Tafsir Al-Zamakshari of the meaning of Aggressors in the Aya
More hadith from Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah:
حَدَّثَنَا حُمَيْدُ بْنُ عَبْدِ الرَّحْمَنِ، عَنْ شَيْخٍ، مِنْ أَهْلِ الْمَدِينَةِ مَوْلَى لِبَنِي عَبْدِ الْأَشْهَلِ، عَنْ دَاوُدَ، عَنْ عِكْرِمَةَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَبَّاسٍ أَنَّ النَّبِيَّ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ كَانَ إِذَا بَعَثَ جُيُوشَهُ قَالَ: «§لَا تَقْتُلُوا أَصْحَابَ الصَّوَامِعِ»
"Do not kill the dwellers of monasteries"
حَدَّثَنَا ابْنُ فُضَيْلٍ، عَنْ جُوَيْبِرٍ، عَنِ الضَّحَّاكِ قَالَ: كَانَ «§يُنْهَى عَنْ قَتْلِ الْمَرْأَةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ»
سَعْدٍ قَالَ: «§نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنْ قَتْلِ النِّسَاءِ وَالذُّرِّيَّةِ، وَالشَّيْخِ الْكَبِيرِ الَّذِي لَا حَرَاكَ بِهِ»
"The prophet forbids the killing of women, children, and the elderly"
This is the polar opposite in the Qur'an, Surah Al-Anfal Ayah 61 in which even oath breaking deniers/unbelievers are allowed to sue for peace states if the unbelievers they ask for peace, give it to them.
The modifiable testament testament commands indiscriminate killing, genocide, plunder, mutilation, enslavement, or torture of enemies, including women, on the other hand.Surah Al-Baqara Aya 190 limits war to those who fight against Muslims, prohibits transgression, and implies respect for human dignity and life Indeed it is what precedes the famous "sword verse", always cited out of context.
Surah Al-Nisaa Aya 46 - Addresses people who take Ayat from the Quran out of their context
God did bring down the Qur’an, Mohamed is his Messenger.
Hebrew Word "Almah" means: Maiden, A woman of age of marriage. It never means: Virgin. Whole Virgin tale is FORGED
hbrew is just pidgin Arabic
@@ranro7371
Irrelevant childish talk
I know what I am talking about, child.
This is not the Jesus Christ of the Bible and will never, ever be.
Careful- don’t say these 2 words in the same sentence
Collective thinking is not good. The Crowd, Gustav Le Bon, 1895. If all continue in groups "to think" death is your shepherd. Examine yourself but not as a unit, never collectively. That would be wise but asking too much I fear.
❤️✊🏾So Jesus is looked at as a Messiah, he is truth, and we can agree on that , as it says in our holy book, the Quran. What happens when Jesus says the only way to get to God is through me? Why is it that when we pray we pray to Mohamid, he’s passed away. Are we not doing necromancy? I’ve got some questions. why is it that Jesus preaches peace and forgiveness to turn the other cheek, and yet the Quran is constantly referencing by the sword?
I believe the Quran teaches peace. I can't find where it teaches anything else. Hadith is not the Quran or Allahs message. Hope this helps.
"Why is that when We pray to Mohamid, he's passed away. Are We not doing necromancy"?! Contrast to
"Jesus is looked at as a Messiah, he is truth, and We can agree on that"
Clearly, "We" you meant as Christians ✝️ who pray to Jesus as Mohamid, who are both passed away! Meaning "We" meaning you ✝️ believers are Necromancers!!! You clarified your place!
Who told you Muslims pray to Muhammed. The prophet is only a man and we pray only to god. Islam believes in strict monotheism.
@@ahmedopone4080 ameen
Tons of Bible Scholars say that Bible is Corrupted. So stop quoting from Corrupted books
The muslim view of Jesus is they don't like his teachings on marriage. This leads to the other Muslim teachings about Jesus.
Because it's forgery... polygamy is acceptable in abrahamic religion except xtian
@@AnjingdijualOrgit’s not. If Islam was a forgery then it would make the same historical mistakes as the Bible, which it doesn’t.
Jesus christ is a freemason God.
Jesus christ is also the arab on the hanging cross.
what do you mean?
order/brotherhood of the snake has been turning God into a triune thing for 9000 years. they swallow the truth since the beginning
@@SoftBreadSoft interesting
Quran never calls birth of Jesus a miraculous birth. Quran talks in 3:36 about *CHILDREN* of Mary and in 66:12 Quran confirms that Mary was married woman. In whole Quran, no any such Arabic word appears which can be translated as VIRGIN
”Also Mary, the Amramite. She maintained her chastity, then we blew into her from our spirit. She believed in the words of her Lord and His scriptures; she was obedient.”66:12
The above verse confirms that Mary the daughter of Amram was chaste BEFORE God blew into her from His Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit from God and God’s Word to Mary fullfilled through the Virgin Birth. ( 4:171)
@@economician
All what you have posted is incorrect and misleading.
In 66:12, Mary is called "Ahsanat Farjaha" and in hadith Literature, this term "Ahsanat Farjaha" is frequently used *for a Chaste wife* who does not have a relation with any man except his Husband. Prophet Mohammad used to call his married daughter Fatimah "Ahsanat Farjaha", and same words are used in Quran 66:12 for Mary.
Root of word *"Ahsanat"* is in word AHSON=FORT. Meaning of "Ahsanat Farjaha" is that woman who married to a man *in order to FORTIFY her Chastity.*
*Besides; Quran talks about CHILDREN of Mary in verse 3:36*
@@economician
Your comments show that you have not read whole Quran which also says: that God breaths his Spirit in the womb of every woman. So, that is not specific to Mary only. According to Quran, every human is Spirit of God, and the Biggest Exegete of Quran RAZI also wrote: _every human is spirit of God._ Life in every human body is due to Spirit of God, otherwise man will be like a dummy
@@economician
4:171 tells that Glad tiding of son were the words of God which He conveyed to Mary through angel. So this verse never have any relation with the tale of Virgin Birth. And same verse 4:171 tells that *Jesus was NO MORE THAN A MESSENGER OF GOD*
@abdar-rahma
The hadith litterature is a much later product and many of the hadiths that allude to linguistic and historical contexts are in fact exegesis in disguise ( read the works of dr Joshua Little).
In 5:5 God allows marriage to chaste women from among the believers and from among the people of the Scripture by saying ”wa-al-muhhsanaatu min-un mu’minaati wa-ul-muhhsanaatu min-ul-ladheena uwtuu ul-Kitaaba”.
If chaste means a married woman then how can you marry an already married woman? Your hypothesis is not correct.
I think you are confusing chaste single women with married obedient women in 33:35.
Muslim is praying to muhammad. Allah is created by muhammad in hadith book. There is no god but allah but allah is created by muhammad in hadith book. Is muhammad is a god alias Allah.
Good misinformation 😂
Gal 1:9 But even if we, or an angel from Heaven, preach to you any other gospel than that which we have preached, let him be accursed
Context: those who wrote these lines in new restatement books were likely arguing against other rival versions of Christianity in the early period of its development, like the Gnostics. This would have been especially true of Paul, who was trying to keep his followers around the Roman Empire from joining other competing Christian sects. It really has nothing to do with Islam or Judaism for that matter. More of a dogmatic civil war within Christianity itself. You really should watch more of this channel. John covers it all. It’s quite enlightening and will add much more enriching meaning and context to the Bible
Prophet Mohammad and his all companions left behind only written Quran; no any other manuscript. So, in order to know what Islam says about Jesus; you have to learn Arabic and then you have to read and understand whole Quran. Then you will be able to know what does Quran say about Jesus. If you will trust in what Mullahs and Imams say about Jesus then you are trading in a desert because these Imams TAMPER translation of Quran to support their some unsound beliefs. Let I tell you what does Quran say about Jesus because I understand each verse of Quran.
Nowhere Quran supports stories of Virgin Birth and Ascension and Return of Jesus.
Quran confirms that Jesus was indeed on the Cross but Quran says: he was *NOT CRUCIFIED=NOT DIED ON THE CROSS*
And if we do not twist Gospel of John and Luke; both Gospels also show that Jesus did not die ON THE CROSS. He was alive even after the incident of Cross.
Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years and died naturally, and dead never come back. If you have any RATIONAL QUESTION; I can answer it.
You : Quran tells: Jesus lived over 100 years.
Where in the does it say Jesus lived 100 years? You are making things up.
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Like vast Majority of Blindly Following Muslims who ignore Quran and instead, run after millions of forged hadiths; you too, also do not understand Quran. I have no right to make things up but to tell only what is in Book of God. See explanation in my next comments.
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Have you ever read Quranic verse 5:110? In that verse; Quran attaches two Specific *extraordinary* Characteristics to Jesus. Those are: Jesus was able to deliver eloquent Speech at age of childhood and even at the age of "KAHLAN". That means: Normal people do not have this kind of two Characteristics. *Now, question is: what is KAHLAN?* In order to reconcile tales of their fabricated hadiths with Quran, Sunni and Shia translators tamper translation of word "Kahlan", and they translate it as mature age. But their tampering can be easily caught because at mature age (40), almost all people are able to deliver Eloquent Speech. But verse 5:110 tells, that Kahlan was a Special Characteristics of Jesus only. That makes clear that meaning of KAHLAN is not 40 or 50 or 60 or even 80 because several people can deliver eloquent speech in these age periods.
*When we read Arabic Literature and Hadith Literature of of 8th Century; it becomes clear that age of KAHLAN is that very old age when Human skin starts to putrefy and man becomes so weak that he needs someone to serve him. And that age starts usually after age 90. This makes clear that Jesus was able to deliver speech eloquently EVEN at that age which was over* 90+.
*We read in over 25 Ancient Well-Known Books of Sunni sect that Prophet Mohammad said: Jesus died at age 120.*
When we do non-Religious (secular) Research; that Research also proves that He died at age 120
You are suggested to study our Research on the life of Jesus
Old testament and new was made up.
Jesus was a magus and part of the bacchus cults.
A wicked individual.
Sorry Islam is not Abrahamic it was created by Mohammed
Bc AD any other name of the time line are garbage Demonic rewriting to cover up Christianity to force ignorance.
Fake Christian falsely ordained Mohammed as a prophet by a mole
hebrew mus/im is in Isaih 42, which predicts specia/ things frm /and f kedar [arabia]
The important thing to know about the Muslim teaching on Jesus is that it is a damnable heresy. Jesus is not merely a prophet, He is God, and faith in and obedience to Him is the only way to salvation.
😂 it is a heresy to deny that the Creator of Heaven and Earth is not a Palestinian Jew who ate, drunk, and went behind the bushes to answer the call of nature? ridiculous 😂😂
blah blah blah
Quran in 5:72, 5:73 guarantees HELL for those people who call mortal man Jesus "GOD"
The question is not whether Muslims hate Jesus, but whether Muslims obey Ten Commandments and confess sin and repent to God.
5 times everyday.
As John's Epistles state the teaching of Islam is antichrist.
@@mikemelcher1705 If Muslims obey Ten Commandments, why do they agree or vote for the socialism policies of Iran, Iraq, or Syria? And why don’t Arab kings confess and repent to LORD because of the warning in 1 Samuel 15?
@@張洪鈞 you are speaking about humans and what they do. Go to the source material for instruction. The Quran validates sent before it. Allah asks, didn't I send a prophet with my message to every civilization from Adam until today? I believe this is telling us there is truth in all faiths if you search for it. We are to love everyone. How is this possible without understanding? I look into scripture. Not how a human tells me to understand scripture. Hopefully this makes sense.
@@mikemelcher1705 Muslims should not only read Bible or Quran and pray to God everyday, but also obey Ten Commandments with Christians, because LORD created us, and saves the grace we received with Ten Commandments. Sin is the cause of war, so Muslims should publicly call on Iran, Iraq, Syria and Arab join people in other countries obeying Ten Commandments, to honor LORD.
Jn 3: 18 Whoever believes in Him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe has already been condemned, because he has not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. Acts 4:12 "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved 2 Co 11:4 or if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
Stop quoting from Corrupted books. Bible Scholars say, Bible is corrupted
Muhammad is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible canonical or in no canonical “ there is one Gospel written in the New Testament !!