Using Fusion 360 generative design to design a full-sized 3D printable rim
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- Опубликовано: 6 июл 2024
- In this video I show how I use generative design in Autodesk Fusion to design a full-sized 3D printable rim to put under my Mercedes. This video is a bit different because I show more in depth the design process. I haven't rehearsed this so I'm sometimes figuring it out for myself, but I think the result is awesome. It's definitely beyond my expectation and I hope you're enjoying it!
Chapters:
0:00 Introduction and warming up
2:05 Manual design
10:30 Generative design
13:25 Picking the best outcome
15:57 Finishing the design
The video I used as a reference for generative design is this one: • Generative Design Tuto...
The drawings I used: brixtonforged.com/wp-content/...
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Software used for making this video:
- Mechanical design: Fusion 360 www.autodesk.com/products/fus...
- Illustrations: Inkscape inkscape.org/
- Laser engraving: Lightburn lightburnsoftware.com/
- Slicer: Simplify3D www.simplify3d.com/
- Video editing: Davinci Resolve www.blackmagicdesign.com/
- Screen recording: Captura github.com/MathewSachin/Captura/
- Audio recording: Audacity www.audacityteam.org/
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-Terminal: Termite www.compuphase.com/software_t... 
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Hi guys! This video is a bit different because I show a bit more of the design process in Fusion itself. RUclips’s new feature of adding chapters makes it possible for you to skip the manual design part if you’re already familiar with it or simply don’t care ;) Enjoy watching and I hope you like the result as much as I do :)
Loving it already! Keep up the good work Jon!
You should show more of the design process. Get a 10 pound roll of filament to print that rim.
@@iRiselyTech Thanks man!
@@calebleach7285 I have to find a good balance between how much to show without getting boring. I hope this video shows the most necessary parts and people can always contact me for more questions ;)
@@properprinting You could upload a short video like this one, and then a longer separate video showing the whole process for the people that are interested
An easier way to scale the images is to first import it like you did. Then under the "canvases" section, where the image is, right click and select "calibrate". this will allow you to select two points on the reference picture. You can then input the known reference measurement and the picture will then be perfectly scaled! Awesome build looking forward to the rest of the project!
This is great information, thanks! I definitely try this next time when importing an image!
Pretty cool to see your complete design process! This rim is so cool! Can't wait to see it printed 🤩
COD2 Was a Blast that takes me back! Good Work.
Nice, those days were awesome! Thanks :)
If the printed rim doesnt work just send it to myfordboy to be cast and machined out of Aluminium. This design just looks sick!
Casting it out of aluminum would be a sick back-up plan, thanks!
So glad I stumbled over Your channel! Judging by the subscriber count - seems like You are victim of some RUclips algorithm, because Your videos are truly proper :)
Thanks, I'm glad you've found my channel! It's tough to grow, but I'm very happy with each subscriber I have and I remember clearly that I couldn't imagine having more than 1000 subs! :D
Another great video. Thank you! Love the beginning too!
Awesome Video! Cant wait to see the result.
Great result, and great video once again. Everytime the perfect balance between humor and learning. Keep up the good work Jon, hope to see the rim printing soon.
Thanks Niccolo! I'm very glad you're mentioning this because finding that balance is sometimes pretty hard to do. I cannot wait to start printing! :D
Sick design! I'm really thrilled, looking forward to the final Product.
Thanks! I can't imagine how that'd look like. I can't wait either! :D
Fusion is such a powerful software, I'm just getting into myself. Good to see how others approach technical designs . Thanks again
This was an awesome video, looking forward to seeing the result printed, mounted with a tire, and driven IRL... SO COOL !
Thanks! I can't wait to start printing it, actually holding it and start testing!
Mooi om te zien hoe je het ontwerp maakt. Ben benieuwd naar het vervolg. Ga zo door!
What a fantastic project. I can't wait to see the rim being printed!
Thanks, I cannot wait either!
Amazing! Looking foward to more generative design videos like this
One of my upcoming ideas is going to use that too, it's so awesome!
Dude! This is my favorite 3d printing channel so far...! 👊😎 cheers from Honduras.
You'll need steel inserts or the wheel studs will tear the rim up. Looks freaking AWESOME!!!!
This is a very good point! I'm going to start testing with angled washers and continue until it's strong enough :)
Maybe steal wires? Im thinking like how concrete is strengthened by putting it steel breaded cables that are under tension.
Can't wait to see it printed!!!
Me neither! Still a lot of work ahead xD
Most impressive. Can't wait to see the final piece. Even if the 3D printed part doesn't work, you can use it to test fitment, and send the final design out to be milled, or 3D printed in metal.
Thanks! This would indeed be a thorough test for filament and other CNCKitchen like experiments xD I have a plan which should be able to get this to work! :D
Duddeeeeeeee every time you upload you just tap dance on what the rest of community seems possible. Amazing work each time. Much love from NY
Thanks! I like to try out, explore and find out what's possible and what not xD A lot is possible ;)
Your out of the planet thinking is inspirational 👏
Man your videos are awesome! Can't stop watching, even if they do make me feel mentally challenged. Keep up the good work!
Thanks Peter!
Man, hilarious entrance, another great vid ! Props !
Thanks David! :D
That’s amazing - generative design + printing is going to really change the way things are made in the future
looks like your ponderings and viewer curiousities align well, heres to hoping you have great success on the printer front and looking forward to seeing the progress and results followups.
Pik, zoals altijd goede kwaliteit video en bijbehorende humor op hoog niveau! 10/10!
Bedankt man! :D
Oh man, your intro is so good. This channel is going to grow quite a bit I think, I love it! I'm waiting on the CoreXY from Prusa and will then use PC to print my telescope rings with. And from there on, all the other bits. Finally I found a use-case for a big printer. :)
Thanks Vincent, I definitely hope so! :D
Great Video! Cant wait to see the next parts!
Thanks Lukas! Still so much to do and I cannot wait to start printing :D
In Fusion 360, you can input expressions for dimensional measurements (i.e., "15/2 in" will default to 7.5").
Yes indeed, that's so cool that this is possible! I did it for most dimensions, but not for the one you mention xD
Dude I love your videos!!! Such an inspiration
Thanks Barend!
Oh man you are crazy :) Very nice my friend, always doing different stuff! Really like your channel, always waiting for the next video.
Thanks, the next video will be quite a challenge xD It might be a bit later than usual
awsome stuff.. can't wait to see that printed
Thanks! I'm really looking forward to that moment!
Damn ! Its like a cliffhanger at the end of every one of your vids lol I was all eager to watch the start of a print then bam. "Next time on Proper Printing" lol
You do awesome work man I hope these work it would be truly epic. !
Thanks man! I for sure hope so too, I'm going to get them work! Even if it doesn't it would be a great journey and learning experience! :D
Love the video, Jon! It is very interesting to see the design process. :)
Thanks Thomas! I always wanted to show a bit more of the design process and generative design is a fun thing to do and show! :D
@@properprinting For sure! Looking forward to the rest of the series. :)
Wow, great design
Nice walkthough
Thanks for sharing :-)
Thanks!
Lol this is great! I can't wait to see the rest of this!
Thanks, I can't wait either. So surreal at this moment xD
Proper Printing lol can tell in your expressions your mind was constantly being blown lol it’s great.
Heerlijk dat Nederlandse gevloek tussen door!
Wicked design Jon, somehow it reminds me of The Borg from Star Trek, the generative design tool is awesome, I was not aware of that in F360.
You learn something new every day!
Thanks Andrew! I can imagine. That tool is so cool, it's fun to pick out a design which is a surprise! I hope to do a lot more with it, I have an idea for the future :) Nice that this video made you aware of it :D
The smallest diameter part of the rim barrel profile is there to give the bead of the tire somewhere to go while it's being mounted so those protrusions may not work. Also the point forces on that barrel are going to be pretty high when the tires is being mounted so you may want to keep that in mind (forcing the tire over the rim requires a lot of, well, force)
Thanks for the info! My idea is to put the tyre on before mounting both halves together so I don't have to force it over that outer edge. I have to reduce the bolt pattern diameter though
This is so cool dude hahaha!
i think i love you... Thanks for all this
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Your nuts, love every second of it. Keep going.
Thanks! I can keep doing this forever! :D
your videos always rocks
thanks!
Talented man
I`m so damn excited about this :DD nice you used generative design for it!
Nice! That feature is so cool!
@@properprinting Yes it is!! an its often free when you are creating your account with an education eMail adress from Universities!
Amazing project. I can't wait to see another video! Greetings from Poland. :)
Thanks! I'm so looking forward to the upcoming videos! It's going to be so much work, but so much fun!
Awesome video! Can’t wait to see the finished product. Are you going to paint the rim once you are done or do something completely insane like electroplating? I was curious, when you applied the loads for the generative design, I can see the weight of the car and the 2000N drive load, but do the tangential loads applied at the 90 degree offset cancel each other out?
Thanks! I think I'm going to leave them in such way that they're obviously 3D printed. One of the materials I'd like to try is Nylon and I recon milky white wheels will look insane xD I was wondering the same about cancelling out those forces, but I don't have another idea of how to add an accelerating and decelerating force. I used similar forces as the guy in the video I referenced to did so I have a starting point. This wouldn't be my final design for sure ;)
Wow. That's cool. It will be amazing to see the print. Could you do one of those stop motion time lapses where it takes one picture at a time. It would be satisfying to see it with such a large print.
Genuine question Jon, by adding those M8 (?) screw holes to hold both rim pieces together, aren't you changing it's integrity ? I mean, shouldn't the generative design have those screw holes already in it to account for them when generating the design ?
That's a good question which I cannot answer with certainty. My intuition says that when the bolts are tightened they aren't holes (strength wise) anymore and even stronger than the plastic itself. A bigger problem would be that 3D printing is not homogenic. The safety factor is 2 so I hope that it's strong enough, but we'll find out ;)
looks amazing. hard to imagine it is going to be super strong when printed, but thats why im watching to see how well it performs
I cannot imagine that either, but we'll see how far we can go with it ;)
That looks pretty sick! And I loved that you showed a bit more about your tought process and how you go about designing/engineering something. Keep up the good work. Do imrpove your Call of Duty skills though ;)
Thanks! I always wanted to show a bit more about the design process, I'm glad you liked it! Those days of complete CoD2 domination are gone xD
@@properprinting Yeah I found it very interesting. Have you tought about uploading the non sped up version of you designing it? I think it could be really interesting.
it sure looks cool
Thanks, looks are important ;)
Dat wordt echt gaaf man. Kan niet wachten om hem in de buurt rond te zien rijden.
Bedankt man! Ik ga er niet de openbare weg mee op, maar er zijn wel mooie plekken te vinden hier ;)
@@properprinting Dus, wanneer is de Proper Printing Meet?
I am really curious about this project. Keep it up!!. Just one small little advice if I may: never bolt or unbolt in a circular pattern but rather in a star pattern, to distribute the loads. 9:25
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Awesome! Can't wait until you print it! You should really do some medium level fusion 360/ other software tutorials.
Thanks Milos! I'm really looking forward to printing it! Maybe I'm going to do some tutorials in the future. I still have some neat projects I'm going to work on first ;)
as someone who is just starting out using fusion.... dam this is impressive
Thanks Dave, cool that you started out with Fusion, so much you can do with it!
The rim looks beautiful. I think you need some sort of alignment ring for the two parts. Now it looks like they are two flat parts? It will also help make it more airtight. It will certainly be a challenge to get layers of plastic airtight.
Thanks Alex and a great suggestion! I'm going to add some ridges around the screw holes for centering. I'm going to find a fitting O ring to make it air tight or use liquid gasket
Great to see project rimjob has a face now :). Also if you want to improve the framerate/quality of the webcam, place a light in front of you
Thanks! I haven't used a webcam, but my Canon D80 so I have control over the frame rate ;)
Wow. Great video. Autodesk should have sponsored you. You're demo'ng Fusion 360 capabilities. : ) Is there risk of air leaking through all the bolt holes? Move the o-ring outward? Just thinking out loud. Great engineering. Mahalo for sharing! : )
Almost as old as RUclips itself. You're the best! Cool gaming rig! I am looking forward to the whole printed tyre. That is a lot of material! Did you dox yourself with the cars license plate when you were kneeling in front of it?
Thanks! I'm looking forward to it too! I cannot wait to actually hold that rim :D What do you mean with the license plate? I don't mind when people seeing it.
@@properprinting Yes, the license plate. okay then nevermind. :)
Die print wil ik wel zien natuurlijk, leuk!
Ik ook, ik kan niet wachten om die velg vast te houden! Heel surreëel nog
As always Jon` entertaining and educational. Mister Wizard for Engineers! loL Also been noticing your name and your channels name being floated around more in the community, even seen you mentioned in @Teaching Tech latest video on making a CR-6 homing style nozzle for ender 3, similar to the one you did in I think your second video?
Thanks Kenneth! I've seen TT's video and the comment too. So cool that my channel's name gets mentioned elsewhere! His approach, and Creality's, looks indeed like my Z homing on anything approach. Cool to see that this idea isn't so bad after all xD
How do you sleep at might with a mind like that? Mad skill bro keep it up.
this is actually going to work! But use the right material which was done for the selected profile. BTW I'm not the only one 3D printing RUclipsr with a love for gaming/streaming...
I definitely hope so, and even if it doesn't it would be a great journey! ;') I recon I'd have to improve the design, but I do have a starting point now :) Streaming a game is fun to do I have to admit that xD I'm not a gamer anymore and I'm not watching gaming content, but it's a lot of fun for sure!
Looking forward to your tests. Is Fusion calculating with injection molding material properties? If so you might need some more material. Also i think sideways forces (driving around a corner) might be a challenge (were these in the calculation?). But as mentioned im excited for the test when reality meets simulation. Always a lot to learn. 👍
Me too! I think that Fusion calculates with a homogenic material and I'm sure I have to tweak the design. I have a starting point now :)
My only thought is that a hard bump or pothole can increase the pressure dramatically. I recommend heavilly increasing your thickness everywhere.
I'm convinced that this will not be my final design ;)
I can't believe I just finished watching the CODE 2
Great video again John! How is it going with the enclosure? i got a lack enclosure for my ender 3 .. but it sucks fire hazard kinda... i was thinking about using a old cheap "patch kast" or "server kast" from marktplaats what you think?
Thanks Pascal! I lost myself during the design process and I'm afraid that this enclosure will be a bit too much xD A patch or server kast would work fine I think. They are made to cool the inside so you might need to add a bit of insulation
Hi, thanks for the video. Do you know if generative design could be used for natural frequency optimization?
That sounds very interesting. I haven't heard of such feature
Hee, eindelijk een Nederlander die iets met Fusion doet! Weet jij of er een NL Fusion 360 user group bestaat?
Ik heb geen idee, goede vraag! Ik vind het een fijn programma om mee te werken, helemaal gezien het voor veel mensen gratis is.
Design Spark Mechanical/TinkerCAD for life. Was never able to get the hang of fusion 360. I like autoCAD's coordinate system, but it's not great for 3D modeling/printing. Will hit the lottery someday to make the perfect CAD software.
Should compare the generated design to one you create and think will be strong.
I tried DesignSpark mechanical, but I didn't like it at all xD I'm so used to Inventor and SolidWorks. In my opinion, the perfect CAD system is like Inventor running on Linux xD
@@properprinting No Love for OpenSCAD? Just needs some actual usable UI so I don't have to learn programming.
Very neat was to put your face into that screencast
It worked great and I'm going to do that more often :)
New idea, print a weedeater/weed Wecker. I'm curious what would be better to trim weeds in the garden fdm or sla printed blades. And what shape is more effective and power efficient
Geweldig. Ik denk niet dat je er de snelweg mee op moet en dat je 100% infil nodig hebt om te voorkomen dat je een onbelans krijgt. Waar ik ook naar benieuwd ben is geluid productie. Kan maar zo dat je een fluit geluid gaat krijgen bij hogere snelheden.
Ik ga hier zeker de openbare weg mee op xD Ik hoop de snelheden te kunnen halen waarbij onbalans en geluiden gaan ontstaan xD
Instead of cutting the entire rim in half you should cut the center out and use your same bolt design to volt it to an inner flange that way you don't have to deal with the air toght gap
From what I gather it would be better to use bolt constrain on the hole and simulate some sideload on the rim so it wouldn't shear of cleanly when turning.
That's a good idea! I'm convinced that I have to do some tweaks after field testing. I have to start somewhere ;) Searing off cleanly in a turn would be unfortunate🤣
The video you referenced in the comments for regenerative design comes up and not available when I click on the link. Otherwise, a fantastic video that inspires me to see more uses for my printer.
Something went wrong with the spaces so hopefully it works now. Is does for me and otherwise you can find it by searching for Generative design tutorial rim. Thanks, I'm glad it inspired you :)
Thank you for the reply. Stay safe and keep the content coming.
I don't think the spoke design will clear the brake calipers, just something to consider.
We'll see. The obstacle geometry should prevent the spokes to collide with the brakes. It would be a good idea to double check this before printing ;)
If this one brakes you need to do something with tipology optimyzation.
Generative design is basically topology optimization. Topology optimization is now a part of generative design and it can still be used by designing a rough shape first, but I like the generative part more ;)
@@properprinting je hebt je de computer verteld hebt dat je een vijfde wiel wil, maar je wil eigenlijk een hele. als je een heel wiel gebruikt voor de simulatie komt de computer vast met iets sterkers. bijvoorbeeld horizontale verbindingen tussen de spaken... ik dacht dat je beter T.O kon gebruiken, maar dat maakt niks uit. maar onthoud: 'IF this one brakes' als dit goed komt is het helemaal top.
Assuming the load case at 11:55 is just the tire pressure, and the other ones acceleration and braking, I don't see the one for a large lateral load, like taking a corner. Did you cut it out of the video?
edit: actually I only see one load case with a bunch of forces cancelling each other out?
That's a good question. I was wondering if they cancelled each other out, but I don't know how else to add both acceleration and deceleration. I've added similar loads as the guy in the video I referenced did. The load case of 2000N is more than the tire pressure, but I'm sure this wouldn't be my final design ;)
@@properprinting can you make multiple load cases?
Would the result be different if you told the computer that the material was going to be aluminum?
I recon it does, the examples I've seen had much thinner branches because aluminum doesn't need as much material to be as strong.
This is so fucking cool. Wow
Thanks! I want to do more with generative design, so awesome to not know on beforehand how it's going to turn out!
@@properprinting it's like opening several christmass presents and you can choose what to keep
@@HexRebuilt This exactly!
Great video, but one detail that I miss. You are designing a rim same as it could be made on metal casting.
I think you should design differently on two ways: First, free up the design you can do anything, it is going to be printed...
Second as it is going to be printed you can not do anything...
Will like to talk with you about my actual project that can use your rims, let me know if you can.
Thanks for your suggestion. This is what I could come up with and it's my intention to make it printable. I don't see why I should make it intentionally unable to cast. You can always contact me directly on Twitter, Instagram, Facebook or email to talk about your project. I'm always in for a chat :)
@@properprinting Will contact you by Facebook
jou bed leveling systeem zit nu ook bij de nieuwe ender printers! ik ga niet zegen dat ze die van jou afgekeken hebben maar zegt wel iets over jou inzicht:)
Bedankt Thomas, ja echt gaaf! Ik had er nog best veel kritiek op, maar wel leuk dat het concept alsnog overgenomen wordt!
I really wonder how you'll get it airtight :)
I hope that printing it properly and using glue or liquid gasket will work, but maybe I'm going to need epoxy or a different solution. This will be one of the things which will be interesting to find out ;)
Did you account for cornering forces in the generative design?
No, so for the first tests I have to keep my steering wheel straight xD
Proper Printing your Benz is probably not good at cornering anyways 😉
9:36 IK HOOR JE WEL!
heee before you print it!
I think it wont fit over your brakes! they stick a little bit over the mounting surface on most cars.
I don't know if you fixed it already
Thanks for your advice! I'm going to take a close and critical look before I'm going to actually print it. I'll keep your comment in mind for sure!
Je hebt nu het diebbed van de velg vol met constructief materiaal. Op deze manier krijg je de band er niet omheen. Het diebbed zit in de velg zodat de hiel van de band daar in kan bij het monteren van de band. Daarnaast is het niet handig om het bed van de velg op te splitsen, je kan beter het hart van de velg los printen en het bed zodat je geen problemen hebt, of minder, met lekkage etc. Als laatste, welke lasten heb je berekend? Alleen de last van de auto en acceleratie/decelleratie zal niet voldoende zijn. Je hebt ook de druk van de lucht in de band, de druk van de hiel zijwaarts tegen de velg en stuur- en veerkrachten.
Ik adviseer om even te onderzoeken hoe een band gemonteerd wordt en hoe normaalgesproken een 2-delige velg geassembleerd wordt.
Bedankt voor het advies! Ik heb nu een uitgangspunt en kan hierop voortborduren. Ik heb de lasten in alle richtingen in de ronding waar de rand van de band in ligt samen met de krachten van acceleratie en deqcceleratie. We gaan het meemaken :D
On the next Proper Printing: Printed tires out of TPU. :D
Damn, I'm going to need an even bigger printer for that xD Cool idea for sure!
you should get it sintered in aluminium!
That would be so cool to do! :D
Nice man! Ik hoor je dat je Nederlands bent! 😂😂. Het grappigste vond ik toen je cod 2 aan het spelen was en je godve** zij🤣🤣. Daar viel je door de mand😂😂😂
Haha nice! Het valt niet te verbergen, vooral niet als het mis gaat 🤣
@@properprinting snap ik😂😂Wel vette video!
Question is what comes after rims? :O
Some even crazier projects xD
geniaal idee! als je auto gerelateerde vragen of hulp nodig hebt hit us up we zitten in de buurt!
Top! Ja ik heb jullie site gevonden, inderdaad niet ver!
A car on this tiny piece of plastic ? That just doesn't feel right... Also the load you used for the generative design seems like an absolute best case scenario, the wheel has to turn meaning that the forces won't be perfectly centered on a spoke.
Maybe you could get an idea of how strong the wheel is going to be by printing some at a smaller scale, like 1/4, 1/8 and 1/16, put an axel and load the thing until it breaks.
I love your videos but I especially like it when you get frustrated and speak Dutch. Most people won't know what it means, but I do. LOL
Haha nice! I don't have to beep that away fortunately xD
I'm scared. Those rims - 3d printed - look like an accident calling to happen.
I'm a bit scared too xD I'm not going to test it on the public road of course ;)
I recomend testing it on flat sand. Maybe a beach and then at low tide so you can ride on the extreme flat surface where with high tide the water would be. It should be perfectly smooth and be the safest place to test because if something breaks it will slide with out extreme resistance giving you a easier time to slow down gradually
@@Rodenburgw I haven't thought about that, good suggestion. I'm first to build up some confidence in my backyard xD Gradually increasing speed and breaking on other locations
But what a way to go!
Temperature from the brakes will melt that plastics
the connection to the hub looks a little weak
I thought the same and the other generated designs looked sturdier, but this looked the best xD. I'm going to find out how weak it actually is ;)
How are you going to mount the tire on the rim?
Will the plastic be able to handle the load from the tool?
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