@@garbagegremlins4707 a bunch of new and likely unimplementable mechanics would be needed to make his gameplay work.. as he does have more than the stun baton that can electrocute people with likely surprisingly deadly voltage, aka what he has is likely the ECHO-Eye which in the first Tales, could scan and hack things.
Big difference between Bl1 Lilith and Bl2 Lilith from a lore standpoint. The real silly thing in BL2 is that Lilith and the vault hunters send out the new hunters for missions instead of Lilith just massacreing everything in her path.
Not to mention how she got the shit kicked out of her in Borderlands 3. At least Maya's defeat was justified because a piece of shit retard needed protecting
@@Tedted2001 I don't think that's exactly correct? I don't think they gave up, more that Lilith was in hiding so that Jack thought she was dead as an emergency card for when things went wrong. Then later during the story, the way I understand it is that Lilith stayed behind initially due to exhaustion after teleporting a whole city, and then later because Angel and Roland told her to not to join them. Ultimately she didn't listen, which is what led to her capture, and is even evident by how angry Roland is with her arrival during that mission.
I wish Gearbox would do stuff like this. Implementing VH’s from other games. Wether it be Marcus BSing a non-canon story, or Tanis running a hypothetical simulation, I’m sure they could make it work.
Lilith was my first and favourite character in BL1. I did everything in that game with her. I even soloed crawmerax without knowing about the spot everyone else uses to hide from him. Her ability could have been so boring but the trees were smart in how you could tailor it to function differently. In every game since I wished they did unlocks or DLC of the old hunters but they never do. But honestly it could have been the BL1 guns that helped that feeling too. A lot of the newer guns have no pop to them, they feel lightweight or overly gimmicky compared to some of my BL1 favorites. A lot of the damage and kill effects like the blood and acid and shock felt way more visceral too and helped sell the guns effectiveness.
honestly the art and modeling in B1 just feels cheap today, it's gray, the weapons doesn't change as much as newer games, the weapons have generic sounds, the weapons are thinner and have almost no personality (Except some weapons) and B2 has better elemental and gore effects + physx (B3 has really good effects, but have a different style, so they aren't just "better"). Honestly the things that make me want to play B1 are the Vaul Haunters, the story and some random things like some areas and some side characters. I didn't know people have the exact oposite opinion on the newer games, they are just more fun and have better gameplay
Cool video, great job! Nice to see this mod get some love (after what? more than 4 years), and very glad you seem to have enjoyed it. It's cool to see people try and work out different builds.
Thanks man I appreciate it! You did awesome with this mod and I'll definitely be looking at some of you other work. Thanks for making things like this, I know it cant be easy!
Mad respect bro. Is this mod compatible with other mods, like bl2fix? Also have you considered making a playable Tiny Tina? (she could have grenade and rocket skills, but very fragile, and even a hysteria skill tree and her capstone is where she goes teenage girl berserk gets extra speed and autoregens rockets but takes more damage for 10s and can't heal during that time) -Playable Goliath. Stupid and slow, but can enters rage mode has damage resistance and extra melee damage and can leap directly to enemies )). -playable engineer. Different playable style, can place small helpful units that act similar to faeries in Tina dlc for the whole party, special skill could be earthquake the ground which slows a targeted ground enemy and can be used to buff his offense or defense, he can also add effects to upgrade it such as shooting homing slag missiles. He could also have pistol or shotgun skill tree. One of his ultimate skills could be exoskeleton, haven't thought exactly what it could do yet. His lore is that he broke free of Opprtunity somehow after realising it was an inhumane dictatorship (kinda like Canada is becoming sadly), his wife was murdered by Jack and he wants not just revenge but a revolution
@@Christoff070 Thanks! Well it should be compatible with most mods that do not touch Maya or her class mods. It can be made compatible with the UCP by disabling the UCP features that touch Maya and class mods. I haven't tried with bl2fix, but should be the same, if any such features can be disabled. And yeh, those are cool ideas for new characters, you better get started working on it!
Lascaux is the closest thing we could get to the classic Double Anarchy in BL2 and it really completes the image in my mind. What better way to deal with things than a literal bullet storm leading the way through any and all opposition?
Shame it's locked to level when you enter Frostburn, without modding, and if modding for higher levels, just use sandhawk as it makes it pale in comparison
Can imagine Jack seeing 2 Liliths, "Hey, there's 2 of you? I'll take you BOTH!" Also, I would like to see the same thing done for Roland, Brick & Mordecai, so we can see Brick calling himself Slab, Mordecai fighting Bloodwing & Roland experiencing himself get killed by Handsome Jack.
This was epic man. I played BL for a year straight before finding BL2. Played that one for about a year and a half and went back to the forst one about two weeks ago. Nostalgia. Being able to play as Lilith on BL2 would be amazing
to add to my reply and further answer the question, to get to all 3 "capstones" in all 3 trees, all you need is level 65, or if you complete the Underdome mission in both playthroughs as well as Claptrap DLC in both playthroughs, level 61 to get 5/5 in the capstones and a few skills in the other tiers, which means 8 more points to spend on making other skills stronger a bit. although it's not entirely desired to pick up all the skills when builds specify skills you dont want, and spend points into the skills that benefit your build. i have a build for Lilith that has points spent into skills that dont hurt the build but dont necessarilly benefit the build either, just trash fodder points i dont want flashing as unspent.
I would LOVE to see much more of this playthrough, all DLC would be awesome to watch!! Love you, never seen you before, but I'm subscribed immediately!!
My friend was just talking about something like this the other day we started a new playthru and he said it'd be cool if they made it where you could play as any VH in any borderlands game
If you were to do allegiance runs as Lil in BL1 and 2, what brands would you choose? I can vouch for Dahl Lil in BL1 being lots of fun. 0:48 Merc COM should be made by Dahl for maximum authenticity. 1:38 Just so happens a "green Hulk" (heh) is the most powerful weapon you can get at that point in the game. Because they unleash an entire salvo of gyrojets per Sh0t, Torgue shotguns aren't really "shotguns." They're more comparable to Bandit rocket launchers! }:-D 8:35 The Mordiest Legendary sniper rifle! 11:50 As above, so below. 14:00 A clip is a device, other than a speedloader, used for loading a magazine or cylinder.
@@sarahh08 True enough, but Mordecais skills to reduce recoil, increase accuracy, crit dmg, reload speed and magazine size and the double shot all stack insanely well with the Fists already crazy high stats. Going over the skill calculator if you combine passive and kill skills you get roughly 475% crit dmg 70% to reload 140% extra gun damage 40% magazine size 65% fire rate 40% recoil reduction You'd basically be firing almost non-stop in an almost razor straight line.
2:33 HOLY WHAT?! i've never seen a buzz axe hit anything but my own screen!! that made me audibly "HAHA" Edit: and Yonde, YES PLEASE, do endgame stuff with her. maybe not all the way up OP levels, just see if she can negate the UVHM health regen also, i know Borderlands isn't a game for showcasing it, but your head-swaps and tracking looked cracked and some of them Fastball snipes were nasty
The "powers" you are referring to are scripted events and don't show her effect on gameplay as a playable character because, again, they're scripted. She is really powerful, but those cutscenes and scripts don't show that. Also, arguably, Maya's Cloudkill is equally as powerful as Lilith's entire elemental build.
@@ThorsShadow Scripted events and cutscenes are what counts because that's part of lore, gameplay wise obv she will be less powerful than Maya, but lore wise Lilith is one of the if not the most powerful Siren
Nice vid but honestly it felt more like ypu went thru each moment of bl2 story, i hoped based on the intro that you would get into how it felt to play a Lilith and what skills and build you chose
probably gonna get flak for it but in the first 2 games the siren's abilities never really impressed me much. at least maya's had a bit better use in the second but when I played the first borderlands I played as lilith I basically never really used it
not at all, your opinion is your own but i would say that It's amazing if you focus on it, with the right skills you can appear in the middle of a group with huge damage resist, dazing them all, drop them beofre they can respond then be gone again with the low cooldown before anyone can do anything about it, recover your entire health and shield whilst invisible and then repeat the whole thing. It's a super fun hit and run assassin style. Not to mention how great it can be out of combat or for straight skipping unnescessary enemies.
@@SirBroadcast It might be possible as far as model and skill trees go but it's definitely not possible to replicate his action skill. Sure, you could just use buzzaxe rampage but buzzaxe rampage is not berserk.
@@theobell2002 hmm. For brick I wonder if it might be possible to use Sal and his gunzerk, and make it so that the gun damage from it is zero, but have the melee buffs instead
i was absolutely flabbergasted that a mod like this exists i expected a speculative video but just between you and me: those drops had to be modded right like slightly tweaked chances for drops and parts or something?
@@ceriani1234 I'd rather play her then Maya or Amara, to be honest with you. She may suck at some things, but if you play her with the right build and the right gear, she can be quite amazing.
having the poor excuse of a siren in the character pool was always off putting for me in bl2, but now, you made me wanna get back to it.... bl1 lilith felt like a rougelite character, that actually could reach the absurd power spikes devastating the game balance and throwing it into gutter, making the player feel like a god with no excuses - i missed that in bl2 (and had it in pre sequel)
Lilith DID beat borderlands 2, Don't you remember how utterly marginalized and irrelevant the other vault hunters were made in 3?, I'm not talking about actual appearances although they are at that but just the story, The players don't mean jack anymore its Lilith and her adequate meatshields show
Nice video. I might do a playthrough with this mod myself. Looks fun.
K6 if you do you should see if you can do reborn with it
that would be fun to watch
hell yeah
Dew ett
Bro please do
I would love a borderlands game where you can play as any vault hunter from any game
Hmmm… perhaps.
Somehow I don’t see rhys with the stun baton being able to beat bl2
That would be cool but a lot of them are dead so narrative-wise it would be difficult, not to mention the balancing would be a nightmare.
@@kabutoclone2 salvador 💀
@@garbagegremlins4707 a bunch of new and likely unimplementable mechanics would be needed to make his gameplay work.. as he does have more than the stun baton that can electrocute people with likely surprisingly deadly voltage, aka what he has is likely the ECHO-Eye which in the first Tales, could scan and hack things.
Big difference between Bl1 Lilith and Bl2 Lilith from a lore standpoint. The real silly thing in BL2 is that Lilith and the vault hunters send out the new hunters for missions instead of Lilith just massacreing everything in her path.
Not to mention how she got the shit kicked out of her in Borderlands 3. At least Maya's defeat was justified because a piece of shit retard needed protecting
Storywise they got their asses kicked by Wilhelm and just sorta gave up I guess?
@@Tedted2001 I don't think that's exactly correct? I don't think they gave up, more that Lilith was in hiding so that Jack thought she was dead as an emergency card for when things went wrong. Then later during the story, the way I understand it is that Lilith stayed behind initially due to exhaustion after teleporting a whole city, and then later because Angel and Roland told her to not to join them. Ultimately she didn't listen, which is what led to her capture, and is even evident by how angry Roland is with her arrival during that mission.
I wish Gearbox would do stuff like this. Implementing VH’s from other games.
Wether it be Marcus BSing a non-canon story, or Tanis running a hypothetical simulation, I’m sure they could make it work.
9:07 did you realize that you just killed muscles? 😂 great video homie!
Thanks man! I didn't notice as I was playing, but saw him while I was editing. Knew I had to throw it in lol
Lilith was my first and favourite character in BL1. I did everything in that game with her. I even soloed crawmerax without knowing about the spot everyone else uses to hide from him. Her ability could have been so boring but the trees were smart in how you could tailor it to function differently. In every game since I wished they did unlocks or DLC of the old hunters but they never do. But honestly it could have been the BL1 guns that helped that feeling too. A lot of the newer guns have no pop to them, they feel lightweight or overly gimmicky compared to some of my BL1 favorites. A lot of the damage and kill effects like the blood and acid and shock felt way more visceral too and helped sell the guns effectiveness.
honestly the art and modeling in B1 just feels cheap today, it's gray, the weapons doesn't change as much as newer games, the weapons have generic sounds, the weapons are thinner and have almost no personality (Except some weapons) and B2 has better elemental and gore effects + physx (B3 has really good effects, but have a different style, so they aren't just "better"). Honestly the things that make me want to play B1 are the Vaul Haunters, the story and some random things like some areas and some side characters. I didn't know people have the exact oposite opinion on the newer games, they are just more fun and have better gameplay
I feel like this could’ve been a good reward for playing through BL2 as a 100% or a UVHM completion would to be able to play the OG Vault Hunters
Brooooo. We need to see Lilith play through true mode. And definitely try ultimate. This is one of the coolest mods I've seen ever!
I always wondered if it was possible to modelswap BL2/TPS characters. Imagine Doppelganger going against terramorphus
Cool video, great job! Nice to see this mod get some love (after what? more than 4 years), and very glad you seem to have enjoyed it. It's cool to see people try and work out different builds.
Thanks man I appreciate it! You did awesome with this mod and I'll definitely be looking at some of you other work. Thanks for making things like this, I know it cant be easy!
Mad respect bro. Is this mod compatible with other mods, like bl2fix? Also have you considered making a playable Tiny Tina? (she could have grenade and rocket skills, but very fragile, and even a hysteria skill tree and her capstone is where she goes teenage girl berserk gets extra speed and autoregens rockets but takes more damage for 10s and can't heal during that time)
-Playable Goliath. Stupid and slow, but can enters rage mode has damage resistance and extra melee damage and can leap directly to enemies )).
-playable engineer. Different playable style, can place small helpful units that act similar to faeries in Tina dlc for the whole party, special skill could be earthquake the ground which slows a targeted ground enemy and can be used to buff his offense or defense, he can also add effects to upgrade it such as shooting homing slag missiles. He could also have pistol or shotgun skill tree. One of his ultimate skills could be exoskeleton, haven't thought exactly what it could do yet. His lore is that he broke free of Opprtunity somehow after realising it was an inhumane dictatorship (kinda like Canada is becoming sadly), his wife was murdered by Jack and he wants not just revenge but a revolution
@@Christoff070 Thanks! Well it should be compatible with most mods that do not touch Maya or her class mods. It can be made compatible with the UCP by disabling the UCP features that touch Maya and class mods. I haven't tried with bl2fix, but should be the same, if any such features can be disabled. And yeh, those are cool ideas for new characters, you better get started working on it!
@@55tumbl thanks, sadly I haven't learnt code and probably won't, I work in health )
Lascaux is the closest thing we could get to the classic Double Anarchy in BL2 and it really completes the image in my mind.
What better way to deal with things than a literal bullet storm leading the way through any and all opposition?
Shame it's locked to level when you enter Frostburn, without modding, and if modding for higher levels, just use sandhawk as it makes it pale in comparison
I'd love to see how she performs at higher levels! I've never played lilith but this makes me wanna go back and try her out
I hate that i immediately recognized the picture of Lilith in the thumbnail
Oh no lol 😂
I'm a bit afraid to ask but source?
Can imagine Jack seeing 2 Liliths, "Hey, there's 2 of you? I'll take you BOTH!" Also, I would like to see the same thing done for Roland, Brick & Mordecai, so we can see Brick calling himself Slab, Mordecai fighting Bloodwing & Roland experiencing himself get killed by Handsome Jack.
I was thinking of time paradox when reading this comment.
Looking forward to seeing Lilith in endgame content. Subcribed! I so miss phasewalk. I might have to give this a go if I can figure out Bl2 mods.
This was an awesome video. Really enjoyed a "Lilith" playthrough.
This was epic man. I played BL for a year straight before finding BL2. Played that one for about a year and a half and went back to the forst one about two weeks ago. Nostalgia. Being able to play as Lilith on BL2 would be amazing
I laughed my ass off when Handsome Jack's mask dropped the attention to detail in the mod is insane
It's stuff like this that makes me sad I'm on console. Awesome video and kudos to the mod creator!
can you get to lvl 80? so you can fill every skill
You’d need 105 points to 5/5 all skills, plus the action skill
I think in terms of skill points, you get close to level 80 in BL1 anyway
69 the cap and you get extra skill points from some of the dlc
to add to my reply and further answer the question, to get to all 3 "capstones" in all 3 trees, all you need is level 65, or if you complete the Underdome mission in both playthroughs as well as Claptrap DLC in both playthroughs, level 61 to get 5/5 in the capstones and a few skills in the other tiers, which means 8 more points to spend on making other skills stronger a bit.
although it's not entirely desired to pick up all the skills when builds specify skills you dont want, and spend points into the skills that benefit your build. i have a build for Lilith that has points spent into skills that dont hurt the build but dont necessarilly benefit the build either, just trash fodder points i dont want flashing as unspent.
Now all i need in life is a mod that lets you play bl2 as the borderlands pre sequel characters or a completely new character as jack
Fight club Borderlands version
oh my lord i'm no't the only one keep playing this game ♥
Nice vid gg!
phasewalk is one of my favorite abilities in borderlands history
You get more legendary weapon drops in one chapter than I do in entire story campaign playthroughs.
It's called mods
@@troywallace7011 No? The guy just farms the boss/mini-bosses enough time till he can get the item he needs.
Good luck to you, I thought you were a much more popular channel then just 1.6k! I'm sure with videos like this, you'll continue to grow
I would LOVE to see much more of this playthrough, all DLC would be awesome to watch!! Love you, never seen you before, but I'm subscribed immediately!!
I’ll admit i was hoping this was like, a lore/character thing, but despite that this gameplay challenge video was pretty good
Damn, the mad lads actually modded a unique vault hunter in
(Unique as in changed from bl2)
My friend was just talking about something like this the other day we started a new playthru and he said it'd be cool if they made it where you could play as any VH in any borderlands game
This is definitely my new favorite mod
Soon as you mentioned mod support, I dropped a like. I'm gonna be abusing this.
"Fastball is a bit too strong" *Gets BL2 Storm Front which is even more OP*
I mean, I do like your spirit.
It's not more op though
@@Michael10238 A Storm Front in normal mode and TVHM is absolutely insane. Really, Vladof grenades in general are super OP before UVHM.
This makes me want to play bl1 again
sal laugh in the corner.
(Even without broken glitches)
"Unfortunately, there were no cool drops here"
Dude, its the Bunker, there is no B*tch SMG you're looking for and the perfect Sham Shield is a lie!
If you were to do allegiance runs as Lil in BL1 and 2, what brands would you choose? I can vouch for Dahl Lil in BL1 being lots of fun.
0:48 Merc COM should be made by Dahl for maximum authenticity.
1:38 Just so happens a "green Hulk" (heh) is the most powerful weapon you can get at that point in the game. Because they unleash an entire salvo of gyrojets per Sh0t, Torgue shotguns aren't really "shotguns." They're more comparable to Bandit rocket launchers! }:-D
8:35 The Mordiest Legendary sniper rifle!
11:50 As above, so below.
14:00 A clip is a device, other than a speedloader, used for loading a magazine or cylinder.
nice mod. interesting. maybe I'll try it one day
oh god... BL2 came out when i was in 7th grade. this game looks so old now...
Just for Letting me know the existence of this mod you my friend deserve your like and subscribe
Do this with all the characters if its possible. This video was awesome.
Seconding this idea.
Was thinking the same thing. Can imagine Brick calling himself Slab, Mordecai fighting Bloodwing & Roland witnessing his own death
I'm now drooling at the thought of a Mordecai Gunslinger build with the Ladyfist.
Dude screw the ladyfist, imagine a dpuh
@@sarahh08 True enough, but Mordecais skills to reduce recoil, increase accuracy, crit dmg, reload speed and magazine size and the double shot all stack insanely well with the Fists already crazy high stats. Going over the skill calculator if you combine passive and kill skills you get roughly
475% crit dmg
70% to reload
140% extra gun damage
40% magazine size
65% fire rate
40% recoil reduction
You'd basically be firing almost non-stop in an almost razor straight line.
Love to see a new borderlands channel that has potential ^^
I want to play as Jack in borderlands 2. If someone could port it over somehow that’d be awesome
time for UVHM OP10
Do more of these if possible. This is so good
imagine bee hawking with Lilith
Damn I thought this was just gonna be a speculation video lmao. Wonder what other VH’s can be ported over
I see now why BL1 didn't let you jump while phasewalking
I'll have to try this mod one day. Good video Yonde.
WOW!!! Great Run!!! This Game will never cease to Inspire!!! :)
Please do more of these characters in the wrong games its so cool😊
Lilith phaseshifted an entire city.
Lilithception
I want to see this mod but with brick instead
2:33 HOLY WHAT?!
i've never seen a buzz axe hit anything but my own screen!!
that made me audibly "HAHA"
Edit:
and Yonde,
YES PLEASE, do endgame stuff with her. maybe not all the way up OP levels, just see if she can negate the UVHM health regen
also, i know Borderlands isn't a game for showcasing it, but your head-swaps and tracking looked cracked
and some of them Fastball snipes were nasty
Thanks
Real glad I subbed
Jack probably would have trapped her and used her
They should of had health and shields scale like they did in bl1 as well. That would of made it next to impossible I bet
i recognize that thumbnail
howdy boys
brick mod can be soo cool full puch
This vid shows why we couldn't have them in BL2😢
Yeah her powers are OP. You could see when she obliterates those enemies in Frostburn Canyon when you first meet her.
The "powers" you are referring to are scripted events and don't show her effect on gameplay as a playable character because, again, they're scripted. She is really powerful, but those cutscenes and scripts don't show that. Also, arguably, Maya's Cloudkill is equally as powerful as Lilith's entire elemental build.
@@ThorsShadow Scripted events and cutscenes are what counts because that's part of lore, gameplay wise obv she will be less powerful than Maya, but lore wise Lilith is one of the if not the most powerful Siren
this was great
do a claptrap run
Can you play as Brick and Mordechai?
i loved this
Fyi once you shoot the arms off of the ultimate bad ass loaders, theres no reason to aim for the eye since its not a crit spot
JoltzDude Lilith to OP10 playthrough incoming?
Nice vid but honestly it felt more like ypu went thru each moment of bl2 story, i hoped based on the intro that you would get into how it felt to play a Lilith and what skills and build you chose
Good watch
Get max. Love this man
This is pretty much just a Deception build isn't it
Are there swap in mods for the other original VHs?
probably gonna get flak for it but in the first 2 games the siren's abilities never really impressed me much. at least maya's had a bit better use in the second but when I played the first borderlands I played as lilith I basically never really used it
not at all, your opinion is your own but i would say that It's amazing if you focus on it, with the right skills you can appear in the middle of a group with huge damage resist, dazing them all, drop them beofre they can respond then be gone again with the low cooldown before anyone can do anything about it, recover your entire health and shield whilst invisible and then repeat the whole thing. It's a super fun hit and run assassin style. Not to mention how great it can be out of combat or for straight skipping unnescessary enemies.
Did he get a perfect conference call? I think the prefix is social able and it has a matching grip lol
Can you do the Torgue mod as well?
If this is possible, can tps characters be played in bl2?
skills only going up to T4 feels very strange
i hope theres more mods like this for the other 3 BL1 vault hunters
There is one for Roland. And I think a Brick one is possible.
@@SirBroadcast It might be possible as far as model and skill trees go but it's definitely not possible to replicate his action skill. Sure, you could just use buzzaxe rampage but buzzaxe rampage is not berserk.
@@theobell2002 hmm. For brick I wonder if it might be possible to use Sal and his gunzerk, and make it so that the gun damage from it is zero, but have the melee buffs instead
Funnily enough, you still can fit a very simular amount of skill points since the T4's all allow for 5 points each.
There is one for Roland and one for Mordecai. Brick should be possible, but at this point I kinda doubt anyone would bother to make it.
Id enjoy seeing a op10 lilith
It always annoyed me how 2 tried to make the 1 characters sound weak comparatively. "You beat Wilhelm!"
🔥🔥🔥
Is there a Roland mod?
Keep it up man, this is good content
The power of modding is Immeasurable
Quick answer, VERY EASILY, because Lilith was the strongest character in the first game
I know what the image of lilith is from in the thumbnail 😈
What
Looks fun, but NVHM + farming for OP legendaries is making this look even too easy. Maybe try OP10 instead?
Whaaaaaat, ok now bring Nisha to bl2
i was absolutely flabbergasted that a mod like this exists i expected a speculative video
but just between you and me: those drops had to be modded right
like slightly tweaked chances for drops and parts or something?
Lilith was way better then Maya. I don't feel bad when Troy killed Maya in borderlands 3. There will never be another siren like Lilith.
Lilith is one of the actual worst characters in the entire series wdym?
@@ceriani1234 I'd rather play her then Maya or Amara, to be honest with you. She may suck at some things, but if you play her with the right build and the right gear, she can be quite amazing.
@@garrettsmith2654 I was speaking more naratively, not gameplay
Please tell me they have a mod that replaces Zer0 with Mordecai
Do a Mordecai run
Ain’t Russian or anything but it always ticks me off a bit when content creators misread some names - like the common ‘Lyuda’ for Lyudmila.
I wanna play bl2 as moze
I literally started a Lilith play through like a week ago. Awesome video btw.
having the poor excuse of a siren in the character pool was always off putting for me in bl2, but now, you made me wanna get back to it.... bl1 lilith felt like a rougelite character, that actually could reach the absurd power spikes devastating the game balance and throwing it into gutter, making the player feel like a god with no excuses - i missed that in bl2 (and had it in pre sequel)
Are you talking about Maya is a poor excuse?
Lilith DID beat borderlands 2, Don't you remember how utterly marginalized and irrelevant the other vault hunters were made in 3?, I'm not talking about actual appearances although they are at that but just the story, The players don't mean jack anymore its Lilith and her adequate meatshields show