Folding Phones: Is there a "correct" shape?
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- Опубликовано: 20 фев 2024
- TEAM SGG PATREON / somegadgetguy Is the right shape more important than other aspects like performance? Have we found the right form factor for mini-tablets? These gadgets still feel "new", but what have we learned about folding phone design?
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the perfect shape would be the one that allows me to watch a youtube video without losing half of the image because of black bars
I don't see how we would have foldables close to 16:9 that are also bigger than regular phones without being too big. A more square form factor allows you to have the virtual keyboard on the bottom without removing much of the app you're looking at. Split screen would also be better on a squarish form factor as you would get two apps close to native rez a bit like what tablets do.
@@BananaBlooD9517 foldable phones are just not for me, as I m on RUclips a lot, having a bigger screen for the videos would be what I need.....I don't really need several apps open at the same time.....
@@therealfrenchie23 Yeah foldable are more for productivity than anything else. A tablet would be the best thing for you, most android tablets are close to the 16:9 ratio too.
@@BananaBlooD9517 I use my laptop 😂
@@therealfrenchie23 That too 😅. I've come to enjoy the tablet form factor more than a laptop. I have a TV and PC when I want to do heavy productivity or just sit for a long time.
The perfect shape was the LG dual screen case on the V60
Totally agree! The dual display flexibility made me not worry a single thing about apps' split screen incompatibility.
the surface duo is the closest experience to lg's dual display. Having said that, nobody has picked-up where lg left its legacy; well, that's the thing of the past now.
Because most people and brands still think foldable screen is the better solution, which it still doesn't.
I loved the idea of the Huawei Mate Xs with it's outta folding screen, it's a shame that theres no way to make that screen more duable
If the purpose of a foldable phone is to be more productive, then Microsoft had the best formula! Playing a video on a folded duo 2 is pretty much the same size as the video on these foldables. It is sad that the duo didn't get the push it needed to overcome the bad press.
Agreed. Duo still has a lot of quirks, had almost no marketing plus bad press and pricing. I still have one and still like it but it has been left behind.
LG V60. Quite easily, one of the best phones of the 2020s. And turns out, it can convert into a foldable! Mine doesn't have the accessory but I'm really considering having one to extend my use of the phone for at least one year more.
I was a Z Fold 5 user. I hated the aspect ratios of both displays. Nothing felt made for either of the screens and it felt bad. Every app felt stretched, cropped, or both. The only time some apps felt 'normal' was when the fold was open, in landscape, and I was using split screen apps (which happens to then be in the same orientation as the Pixel Fold). Even then, a handful of apps noticed I was in landscape orientation and would freak out, not displaying things correctly. Despite it being the 5th generation of the foldable, it sometimes felt like I got access to an early release of the software. The hardware was excellent though. Battery life was good, flagship processor kept up with multitasking no problem, and even the cameras were good enough. The aspect ratios, and software problems/workarounds created by those aspect ratios, are what slowly killed my enjoyment of the device the more I used it as my daily driver.
As someone who still considers the Blackberry Passport as one of the greatest phone designs in existence, I'm thrilled to see more notebook-style foldables coming around.
I got a pixel fold to replace my fold 3, and it's been great, but it really makes me yearn for my OG surface duo. Maybe I'll look for a cheap duo 2 as a side device. All that being said, the pixel is great hardware, but the software I think is lacking, especially when compared to the Samsung line, though they've had a lot of generations to get it right.
Pixel Android is just lackluster compared to Samsung
I do think that the "best" foldable shape would be a regular 4:3 tablet that folds into an ipod nano shaped thing, with a 4" ticker display and a camera ring in place of the wheel.
Then again, I am more into phablets myself and I hope huge phones make a comeback
3:34 Same for me. Left the foldable phone bandwagon for dual display solution, and it turned out to be the best decision I've ever made. One notable difference between the two is split screen support. Contrary to what most people think, there are still lots of apps that doesn't natively support split screen. Netflix, NHK WORLD-JAPAN, and e-commerce apps are prime examples to it. I have no such problem when using my LG V50's Dual Screen case at all.
And another thing: There are still a lot of apps that aren't well optimized for larger screens, be it foldables or tablets or even Desktop Mode. I always use Screen+ Desktop Mode from my V50, and it's easy to see which app cannot be maximized to full screen.
Reacting Blind: Clamshell is the BEST for the ✌️Average User✌️ it's very convenient to cary around, especially if you're in the half of the population that doesn't get pockets. Personally having a mini tablet isn't that helpful to me because I'll just use a full tablet since the aspect ratios seem odd...
Don't get me wrong, I LOVED my LGs with the Dual Screen case, but I didn't get nearly as much use from it as I would have liked...maybe if it had a usable front screen I'd feel different.
Diversity without bias is healthy.
And that's something large popular RUclips channels won't ever do.
@@FAT8893 No wonder some of us never spend much time viewing their content.. Juan, Eazy, Ben, Matthews,...i spend much time on content of such techies because they are always authentic and always accommodate the average consumer.
@@joisaacs3351 Exactly. People still believe those with millions of subs eventhough they always make clickbait SEO content.
The best aspect ratio for me would be something between as close as possible to 16:9 unfolded. Hate the squarish aspect ratio creating huge black bands when visualizing vids.
But that means you need to have an 8:9 or 4:5 outer screen. It's like basically having the current foldable phone's inner screen as the outer screen.
Super glad I found your channel. Your approach resonates with me and I'm sure with many others. Keep up the good work. Ended up getting a OnePlus 12 because, in part, of your review. I'd love to here your take on Flip phones now. I do have a dream that phones will return to a smaller form factor and flip phones seems to be the next revolution. Thanks.
Juan nothing beat the ease of use for multitasking of the surface duo. The way it treats each screen as it's own and defaults the app into the 1single screen is so productive. I had the duo 1 & 2 since launch. I have since moved to pixel fold and hardly ever use the inside screen except when I consume content and on occasion for banking. No where near as easy to run 2 apps side by side. The ultimate phone would be the form factor of the pixel fold, the software behavior of the DUO and the internals of the open... There is still a ton of space for improvement and innovation with foldables...
Literally JUST bought a heavily usedf Surface Duo 2 off swappa after finally playing with a Pixel Fold. Microsoft actually nailed it with their original idea for a discrete, highly portable yet exceptionally capable mobile computing device. I will ride or die for this form factor until the battery degrades into flammable toxic dust.
I really like the Pixel Fold and the Open, but same. I still pick up the duo from time to time. There are a LOT of good ideas there.
Juan has a maniacal laugh around 3:48
Still rocking my v60 as my secondary device and a pseudo-foldo. Fold 5 didn't convince me in Samsung store last year when I was almost ready to pull the trigger.
I guess my bestest form factor would be something like the fold though, I'm not sure about squareish form factors, they seem awkward both for a lot of apps and media.
Though the most likely outcome right now is I'll get a smallish tablet for media at 1/5th of the price of a new fold:-)
I discovered that I'm a desktop mode guy (current using Motorola's Ready For/Connect, after 3 years of Samsung's DeX). I realize that I'm not using my tablet, for example. Phone + desktop mode works a lot to me (barely using my notebook even).
You're not alone. While I use my Intel NUC at home, I only bring my phone when travelling light. The Desktop Mode is already good enough for everyday use.
0:22 can't tell you how many videos of these YT keeps trying to force down my throat. I just skip to the end to see if they say that and don't bother watching the body of the video if they do
Having used and sold multiple different foldable phones from the surface duo 1 + 2, all iterations of z flip and z folds, and the pixel fold. I realized that there is no truly perfect foldables. I use the z flip 5 most of the time because of how easily it fits my pocket. When i had the surface duo, i loved using it to multitask with its true dual screens. I love the z fold for reading comics and gaming on emulators. I think it's just what you want as a consumer, but i cant wait to see the future foldable phones.
Makes me nervous to see more leaks looking like everyone will just go square.
Sad, imo, that pixel is rumored to lose distinctive, Duo like forn
The next step for these pocket tablets will be software. While there are some really compelling apps, we're still a little ways away from car dealerships or accounting firms or insurance auditors to be able to drop their Lenovo and dell contracts and give everyone foldables
It's still hard to see Android apps completely replace desktop softwares.
2:43 i watched this movie so much times when i was a kid :D
Love it Primo!
As the contrarian that I am, I actually like the form factor of the Z Fold series. I find the TV remote style aspect ratio easier to use one-handed when closed. Plus, Samsung software for multitasking on the Fold is superior, the Oneplus Open comes close but not quite. I just wish the would give us DeX for the inner screen.
I just can't figure out why I would want a foldable phone. I do still kick myself a little for not snapping up a used Surface Duo a year or so ago when I saw one, just for the novelty of it, but really, I get everything I want to do on a small screen with an autoincorrecting keyboard with my Pixel 7 Pro or now my S24 Ultra. I've just started playing with DeX on the S24U and am trying to decide if I want to take the plunge into the portable monitor world and try vacationing without hauling a laptop along, just my phone ... and a monitor ... and a keyboard and mouse. Okay, so I wouldn't gain that much except spending a day updating Windows on my laptop, which generally only sees the light of day when I'm on vacation. LOL But I'm starting to lean that way. And I mostly blame YOU for putting those ideas in my head. :P Maybe just a Nexdock ...
It's worth trying out DeX or Android Desktop Mode in general. Even though it never replaces my Windows PC, it's a great feature for me when I'm travelling light with my lapdock.
Currently using the pixel fold and I love this notebook or passport designed l
can you PLEASE tell me if the Oneplusx12R has a good microphone ???
A phone that opens to a 16:9 ratio would be the best
fold a 16/9 screen ?
I think flodables would be better suited for a laptop replacement, like the op open ,I feel that op it's heading in the right direction . But!!!! I agree with you Juan the mini notebook idea is a better design 👍😁
Totally doubt it, especially if it runs on Android. Of course there are foldable Windows laptops, but they are far from cheap.
Wow, I can't believe we're body shaming phones now. What has our hobby become? All phone bodies are valid and beautiful!!!
Sadly I feel they are converging to the OnePlus Open display aspect ratio, cause I also love the current Pixel Fold and Surface Duo forms. Suspect this is just an economies of scale thing for Samsung displays, but it means we won't see these variations of ideas anymore (tall Galaxy Folds or wider Pixel Folds)
The next Pixel Fold will adapt the shape of the Oneplus Open.
Waiting for Microsoft to get off their butts and offer a Microsoft Launcher for folding phones. If they're abandoning the Surface Duo hardware completely, there shouldn't be a reason not to continue development of their Android Launcher for those who are use to this ui already and are well integrated into the Microsoft ecosystem. Fork the UI as the DUO Launcher if they can't rewrite their current single display launcher.
For me, I prefer the phone that opens into a mini tablet simply because the Flip style just doesn't really provide anything a regular slab style doesn't, apart from the ability to prob it up, which a kickstand case can sort of do. Having used the S24 Ultra over the last few weeks, my Folds are all tucked away. The fact that the aspect ratio doesn't provide more real estate for video consumption is something that bugs me a bit. The Pixel Fold is the closest to being a regular style phone that, when opened, provides an aspect ratio that minimal amount of the display is wasted on black bars, but then the speaker placement is a bit weird. Z Fold requires roating sizedways and then the speakers are on the sides, but comparing the screen space that is showing video vs my S24U, they both are a l almost identical. Unless there's a foldable that can get longer and wide to maintain a closer to 16:9 when opened and closed, this "problem" is something that will remain. The main difference between Google's and Samsung's Folds is when you need to rotate them. Google's solution has me roatating less often, but I find myself using the cover display so much, I might as well not have a Fold. Samsung's is kind of the opposite. I've yet to try the Duo but LG with the Velvet was one of my favorite devices. One screen, when I needed that and second screen, when I needed to run two apps at once. I've found myself enjoying a larger phone and a tablet vs a Fold, lately. The price is about the same. But, out of the Foldables, Samsung wins simply on software, for me. Edge panel, taskbar, that's always there, DEX, customization, separate home screen on cover vs opened and speakers that face to the sides when in landscape orientation opned. I need to try the OnePlus Open, eventually. From what I've seen, their software as far as for multitasking is exceptional. Vivo needs to allow more apps to do stacked split screen and they'll be right up their with Samsung's, for me.
Google will abandon their current design with the next Pixel Fold
i miss the surface duo
Me too. Dual display is always more practical and more flexible than foldable screens.
Good questions. Nice job. To view this post, I just did screen cast from my new OnePlus 12. Yesterday my OnePlus 8T once again deleted all of its desktop icons after trying the screen share. But today the TV screen flickered a bit and eventually lost connection. I lust after Samsung Dex but don't like the prices. Motorola is here in Denmark but I don't have the courage to go that way despite their fantastic desktop abilities.
Foldables have me leaning the split screen double screen way like lg and duet but they would have to gain traction from zero after maybe the Lenovo laptop shows people how useful it is but I doubt people will realize "what's good for them". Sigh.
A soft bendable screen that in my book needs a stylus is an oxymoron.
I'm gonna go try share to windows and Screen cast to windows to see how that works. (Max 30 fps if I remember correctly). I'm looking forward to your coverage of sharing to windows that you hinted at.
I want them all 😂
perfect is subjective. I prefer the OG Pixel Fold's design. Pixel 2 changing.. just pisses me off.
Samsung all the way for me. DEX.
Apple won't make a Folding iphone unless Foldable ever become mainsrream. At the moment, they're way too niche and expensive, there'll be no profit in it for Apple.
I TOTALLY believe we'll see Apple make a "flip" style phone or a folding iPad, but I HIGHLY doubt they'll make a "phone that turns into an ipad". They need their customers to own multiple computers.