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I agree wholeheartedly, I'm still of the opinion the devs just gave up on Rogue. However, it is worth mentioning that EVERYTHING in rogue required long time investments to obtain. Despite what some will likely say, yes. Waiting for an hour to get things like the crucial ability to climb is in fact, very long.
i wanna go back to october 2019 when rogue was active and not just exploiters and ultras 😭🙏 it's rarely fun to play anymore without a guild and most of them dissapeared when deepwoken dropped
@@almighty9006 no if more people knew what they were doing you would see exploiters more often, they are still there its sill rather easy to hack, just script kiddies from before byfron cant get their hands on working hacks making it less common to see one
Rogue lineage inspired a lot of different rougelike games - and I think a lot of people probably tried Deepwoken, found it wasnt really for them, and moved onto another game that came from the influence of Rogue. It's possible that Rogue was just so popular because it was one of the very few Roguelikes that got popular and then caused other games to come from it, where players then moved to the other games if one game wasn't for them.
literally happened to me i loved rogue and did everything there was to do, deep came out, i tried it, i hated the combat because it was something i wasnt familiar with then dropped it after a week 😂😂
@@EgzoDiuse man in rogue i got only 1 ultra class skill that was my bigest achivement and it feel good and in deepwoken if i get to a high level i feel like if i had no progress on the game like in rogue when u get a super class u feel like if u acomplished something
i think the reason deepwoken has "lower retention time" is because deepwoken utilizes teleports and seperate places in the game like the menu, etrean/eastern lum, depths, dungeons and more so the retention is innacurrate as it could be counting travelling places and leaving the game
the thing i dont like about rogue lineage is how difficult it is to make any progression without watching 10 different tutorials. with deepwoken it’s relatively simple and even if you’re not watching 10 tutorials you can tell that you are getting stronger.
@@jackweber3660 man in rogue u can sense u make progresion like when u get a super class u sense that u are stronger in deepwoken from level 1 to max feels the same
@@enriqueedru8998 rogue would be a lot better if you could view your stats and if it had more unique accessories/weapons. every player ends up looking very similar to one another in rogue, it doesnt feel as personal of an experience since you cant really make any special builds that wrent already set up for you (apart from hybrid builds but those are still limited to classes)
@@jackweber3660nah when rogue first came out every one had different builds shit was so amazing & there’s many different things u can have that are different for your character (snaps , artifacts, magics, combos) , everyone looks different with dyes
@@jackweber3660rogue being so complicated is what made it fun for me, i just wandered around and tried to figure out what to do for a couple weeks and tbh it was fun to know nothing and be scared of everything but ofc after a couple weeks i figured out what i should do and got my first ultra
I love rogue lineage, but my main gripe with the game in its current state is that there's almost nobody actively progressing anymore. You can't just pick a class, go out and get grips/rots for it by fighting people on your level anymore. Almost everyone logs on sight (it's hilarious how many people have logged to me, a freshspawn with assassins armor) and grinds alts to get their class. For me, at least, the fun in rogue never derived from the gratification of getting your class, but the struggle to get there. Solo progression used to be so fun and now I get an average of one grip per hour. Maybe I'm just really unlucky, but it still lost its charm all the same. And Deepwoken isn't any better. The most fun I ever had was in the first week of release, because the optimal experience of the whole game was discovering new places and learning about the game with a group of friends. Any point after that, it loses all its fun. I haven't even done all there is to do in the game and I've still gotten bored of it. Normally, I'm a completionist, but I just can't bring myself to keep playing the game anymore.
I have been playing rogue since 2019 I have always loved the game and always will but it has recently become build simulator. I make a build on an acc, gank, die, get pd, gank, win, make new build.
yeah, a freshie shortage, i can't think of a solution but maybe make it harder to boost yourself/others would be a good start to force people to progress normally
deepwoken does seem to be going closer towards the sort of closeknit community state (where you see players you don't really know multiple times) like just today i fought some guy in chime and saw him fighting squibbo later
this just shows the amount of potential rogue lineage had. I think it would be awesome if rogue lineage got remade and could have potential to be better than deepwoken.
rogue lineage has more retention system because it has more time restricted requirements for most of its lifespawn(COUGH COUGH ILLU, PDS, EVERY RACE IN THE GAME, GACHA, ETC)
I think that if rogue had the same hype deepwoken had and if its combat system was better with better anims and less bugs, along with khei actually being finished and not super buggy that rogue would have more players even in its no major updates darkage that will continue forever likely
also rogue has more mechanics that require you to stay for hours and its a much more difficult game with many more black marketers meaning I think that a lot of the statistics are pretty boosted but it would be better if it wasnt given up on, also deepwoken hasnt been out nearly as long as rogue
@@jay8859 you make a good point, if it was still like 2018-2019 when it was newer and more people were playing it would have been ok imo to change the combat system enough to make it easier to balence and decrease the amount of bugs
@@MarsRover81lso with the animations it allows animation cancels so you can move stack, change it and you stop one combos but in a game with resurrections one combos are somewhat needed. everything is so unbalanced it’s almost balanced.
Although I do think rogue is better than Deepwoken and would advocate for it, in the ultra class vs max power statistic, the badge for max power was recently created and to my knowledge you wouldn’t get the badge until you rejoined when you were max after it was created. This places a skew on the data, as people who got max (power 60) before layer 2, and people who were max before the badge then wiped, a chunk of the badge count is missing. Idk tho just my thoughts
Ah… tale of a cruel world. That song will forever be beautiful. I feel like the music is one of the main things that makes calamity mod feel more timeless.
we need a rogue lineage 2, the concepts of the classes are really cool and there isn't anything like it on roblox. rogue just needs to be a bit more balanced (remove snarv and geli)
Ive been saying this. Rogue was such a gem and with more work from devs who are more knowledgable than they used to be would be amazing. New classes, new map (hell maybe even just a remaster just very improved) would be so great
I would love to see a game that's rouge lineage with deepwoken level graphics and monsters. I like the idea of classes better than deepwokens power system because there no way to limit or balance this as easily as just seeing a broken class and nerf it or rework it. the whole point of deepwoken was not having classes was so player would be unique but everyone just mains meta builds so there all the same anyway.
@@mi_kii a doge based combat mixed with rouge lineage combat, it makes no sense how can block/parry a 15-150 meter tall monsters and not have my arms ripped of due to F=ma in Deepwoken
Personally I like rogue and deepwoken an equal amount, both were very fun but I’d probably like deepwoken more if it had the same media bad rogue had. A media bad for layer 2 would have helped too
Retention stats are weird like that though. Rogue lineage had ~Days~ which was a near arbitrary system forcing players to play for 1-2 hours to do any meaningful progression at the start. This obviously increases 'Retention' because if you play for less than 1 hour, you're severely limited in your gameplay, which Deepwoken doesn't have the same issue, letting players use various means to progress and not barring something behind a time requirement. (You CAN do layer 2 at power 1, it's been done. You CAN'T do deepforest without mana climb, barring the entire area.) Also Deepwoken has been out for a fraction of the time Rogue has been, and the people still playing Rogue are continually bolstering its statistics. Anyway, that's just my opinion.
Well considering the newish updates to rogue, it’s pretty alright. But the only problem is that now that exploiters are gone it’s a result for all ultras to kill freshspawns it really isn’t all that hard to get classes anymore to be honest. Another thing is that khei is either dead or is being flooded by any other existing houses or friends. But I think rogue is still a good game.
the only problem I have with comparing the ultra class badge to the max power badge is that the ultra badge is over 3 years old while the max power badge is only 3 months old, and you were using this to show how double the amount of rogue players have played long term, but the issue is that the badge is really damn old compared to the max power one for deepwoken, which already has half the amount in under a quarter the amount of time
Also like he said in the video, only 1 badge per deep account cause slots. In rogue everyone i knew had alts(a lot of alts). I've gotten ultra classes on 8 different accounts.
rogue lineage could be an AMAZING game with some slight combat tweaks and balance changes and a less painful progression. i do not enjoy getting ganked by 3 ultras so one of them can get a rune.
The reason i think more people quit deepwoken is because deepwoken feels less alive with its players rouge they are TONS of reasons for you to talk fight or make peace with anybody you find but with deepwoken you only get that till power 5 when voidwalkers can come after you or power 10 when high levels just jump high levels
for the time i played both of these games i feel like rogue was more fun but maybe it was the people i got to bound with along the way. without a doubt whenever the friendgroup drops the game i cant help but feel like we couldve committed more to the game but you cant blame them for being less competitive. which game did you enjoy more reactor?
I prefer Deepwoken more if I'm honest, it's more balanced, and I don't have to worry about some mage dropping an ice nuke on my head every five minutes. Not to mention, race benefits kinda fucked me over since I got Ashiin in Rogue and I was stuck alone so I was fending for myself in an unbalanced hellscape most of the time(when I wasn't in the ded room or saved by some random other Ashiin), but then again that's just my experiences and opinion. Perma-freshie S U C K S
Tell that to the dozens of races that outclass Ashiin completely, especially the one with dodges built in, being able to punch harder doesn't amount to much against a race that can do whatever the bird one could@@dragronlucio2773
One of the points you brought up contradicts yourself. You talked about how people who play rogue are incentivized to make multiple accounts to play rogue to make multiple builds. And since rogue lineage has double the amount of people who got the power 20 badge, lets just say everyone had a SINGLE alt account. That alone puts rogue almost below deepwoken because its numbers get fluffed up by that.
@@yelyu3867 since deep has 5x the players, all that says is that there is a smaller PERCENTAGE of people out of all players who played deepwoken that got the badge.
I'll say one thing, Deepwoken's Lore/worldbuilding is Not better than rogue's. Don't get me wrong, it's more available and easier to find like ingame, but it's leagues behind Rogue's lore, which has been in process for years (With Tales of the Valley and Rogue both feeding into eachother) Though rogue's lore is Much harder to find, and you do really have to search, it is still a much more rewarding thing to look into than the currently shallow world of Deepwoken (I've gone deep into both)
Thing is you can actually find most of deepwokens lore in-game and the story is semi original, unlike rogue which ripped off shows like FMA:B blatantly and you could rarely find anything outside of screenshots of discord messages
@@froojie1922 there’s definitely an aspect of originality to it, and in game there’s way more story than in game rogue rogues story was basically plagiarized
absolutely agree. nothing beat the feeling that rogue gave, and as for how they accomplished it, i have no clue. i also think it can never be recreated. still love u reac
remind me of pilgrammed , Its a game if you join on your own your prob gonna leave and never return but if you get ppl to help and to encourage you to play you realize how fun it is . The community is small but strong alot of passionate people play it
I think retention is lower in deep woken because 1. rogue used to have a lot more times you have to wait 2. there is a lack of late game content and people don't want to play or some people quit deepwoken and sometimes hop on. so there is a lot of people who bought the game but not a lot of people who play for more than 20 minutes.
Reaconteur. My good air You have gained a new sub. But seriously i feel like you have a good point. Rouge fel5 way more rewarding so when it was in its prime more people were eager to get ultras and ubers, just like how deep was to get power 60(keyword :was). But after verse 2 dropped it was basically playing on easy mode. Yeah content was good and agamatsu was able to still afford doordash but if we were to bring a game with as much hype as prime rouge agamatsu would be able to afford door dashes dash pass. Deepwoken i feel like wouldnt be good if a rouge game came around with smth like deepwoken graphics. The game types ar3 different but 1 in its prime is gonna be WAY better
Hello, reacontuer. I have an interesting study to share with you, that being that Deepwoken has a secret IRL ability that it grants to developers and RUclipsrs like you, that ability or “Mantra” in Deepwoken terms is known as “DoorDash”. Now as we both know, Roblox takes around a 30 percent cut of the money made by these Roblox developers so rogue lineage’s Net income is around 221,900$ While Deepwoken’s net income is around 2,450,000$. With this fact in mind, the average cost per order of door dash is around 33 dollars so the total amount of door dash orders you can make with rogue lineage’s net income is around 6724 orders while deepwokens total doordash orders with its net income is 74242 orders. In conclusion, Deepwoken is the better and more successful game.
The badge difference doesn't take into account the maxed powers BEFORE Layer 2 and the creation of the badge, as well as the fact that there is no slots in Rogue meaning there is much more Ultra alts.
and for ur more people play rogue lineage for longer, because in rogue lineage people have a reason to buy alts since slots dont exist in rogue lineage. i've gotten ultra in rogue lineage probably like 7 times and 6 of those are from alts alone.(meaning i got the badge 7x times), while in deepwoken i've had 20 max slots at once, however i've gotten the badge once
Also in rogue, the majority of players are consistently running 2 or more accounts some even run 25s so I believe that the active players are pretty much always halved and even more players are in ps. No hate to rogue I love the game but I just feel that the player count is pretty much permanently inflated
Although I've never played rogue before I do understand the points you're bringing up in this video. The data never lies and I can definitely see how it has better statistics compared to deep.
rag/arch really should have passed rogue to soem devs that they trusted, but they would risk getting the game stolen, so into the abyss of abandonment it goes
I've always thought of this, arch and rag most likely dropped the concept of tales and rogue that they created including all the lore and events that happened. I feel like the universe in those two games are something that could shine much brighter with their current experience and resources, but now that they have those resources and have moved on, they sadly won't go back. Rogue Lineage 2 or Tales from the Valley 2 sounds very stupid, they don't NEED to use the same lore. The main thing for me is the gameplay of Rogue which could have been perfect, which they abandoned. If people wanted a game with the same tales/rogue lore, Arch would most likely say that the lore just wasn't on par, and that Deepwoken lore is better and it's an easier game to work on. But MAN is it boring. Rogue has the intensity in gameplay but less quality, and Deepwoken has more quality but no intensity. I don't see them making Deepwoken feel like rogue, which is why a new game with polished rogue progression would be the only option. *(could or could not be a sequel - it doesn't have to use the same lore, gameplay is most important)* TL;DR rogue was close to being perfect, and they have the ability to do that now, but it's too late, they moved on. (the entire game got too much spaghetti code, a new game with their current resources would be the best thing to come out of Monad)
Both games are no longer in prime but heres the things that make them different or prove which is "better". Rogue lineage had less peak players due to it being MUCH more difficult (dw also had way more hype), a person who has 0 clue about the game is practically guranteed to not play or comeback unless they gain more knowledge. Same can be applied to dw on a lesser scale. The bigger ratio of dislikes is mostly caused due to ppl finding the game to difficult and etc. Rogue was way more engaging and overall players were more involved with the game as shown with the prime blackmarket freshie azael accs going for around 200 USD LOL. Deepwoken is overall "better made" with having better effects, graphics, ost and etc. while rogue was a one time experience with its uniqueness and "fun" combat. Rogue also feels way more rewarding than dw, ppl literally wouldnt fight on their max builds because they were scared to wipe while in dw the ganking lost all its purpuse due to luck being removed, enchants not dropping and chime. + You can only wipe in dw if you get jumped by multiple mobs or by a player which is rare due to the community being less toxic and overall more friendly. Only thing dw EASILY wins is progression even though both rogue and dw prog are ASSS The builds in rogue feel much more unique too with the artifacts, spells, races and classes while in dw its just "hes a flame med with blindseer". Lowkey couldve written twice as much but aint none reading even to this point 💀 Still prefer rogue even when not getting to experience its prime. I enjoy things like the competetive community, it feeling more rewarding, the combat (i hate dw combat) and the risk involved.
video idea (tedious as hell) rank all weapon types (greataxe, sword, dagger, etc.) in all weapon classes (LHT, HVY, MED) for pvp practicality via a tierlist i personally wouldn't include legendary weapons i would just like analyze crits, playstyles, enchant compatibility, etc
I am one of those people who join the game for 5 sec and leave because im asian and uh i usually play in singapore server. When i join the game all of the singpore servers ALWAYS MAXED because there is literally only 5 singapore server. I love deepwoken but i don’t wanna play the game in 200 ms
I can't lie I would fully contribute this deficit in average retention to day farming. People would spend many many hours afking in rogue lineage before they changed race prog requirements.
honestly deepwoken became too easy, the thing about rogue is that it was challenging and is still challenging, deepwoken made their grinding system and getting rare things like enchants very easy to appeal to newer players, but since it's so easy right now the game is boring for a lot of players since we can get basically whatever we want. i went back to rogue and im enjoying it a lot right now
Out of context: I vividly remember trying rogue lineage and I was like a mushroom race even though I don't remember ever buying the game either it was either another game or something idk
There's another reason to the uber class badge having double the obtainments, it came out after world traveler so anyone with an uber who just hasn't touched the game doesn't have the badge, same with anyone that had uber before and then wiped before the uber badge came out, not to mention sac alts which are usually permafreshie accs.
Video idea: Chime is killing Deepwoken. Now hear me out, there is no doubt that the top 50 have an influence in balancing. At first anyone would be like “Sure good thing, experienced players helping in balancing”. But later on. “Chime = Main game???” By this I mean that most balancing changes feel more focused for chime rather for the main game use. And considering that some top 50 were boosted to their currently spot, it could go to the worse, considering that non experienced players could be the ones making wrong decisions upon having the word in the balancing of the game. An example of the terrible balancing are: -Jetstriker mantras keeping momentum: in chime is perfect for the Jetstriker, but yet comes difficult once it’s not against 1 person and there is more environmental that players can use. -Bloodshadow: Bloodshadow mainly has been nerfed because of Infinite posture (that’s why now Bloodshadow can be canceled by hitting their block), making unable to use Bloodshadow on lightning clones, I used this feature but it didn’t heal much compared to using it against a player (which was way faster), also considering that these clones die in 1 hit by anyone even yourself. This has to be brought up as a video to make more attention please.
@@toniarcilla6591 how is fighting in the over world any different?? So having a unavoidable 1 bar healing + 1 bar dmg is fair because it is in the over world????????
Deepwoken might have a better world building, but Rogue Lineage (even when I first joined) felt much more fun due to the atmosphere. Deepwoken's more gloomier atmosphere is probably what drove some people off compared to Rogue Lineage's much more friendly atmosphere (even though deep down you knew evil existed inside of the game.). Rogue Lineage lore (keep in mind im talking about KHEI LORE) is incomparable to Deepwoken's lore. But Tales beats all of them, NOBODY CAN BEAT TALE-
I like rogue more in the worldbuilding aspect. It reminds me of ds2. Where the planet is completetly devasteted by the 'undead curse' and theres no safe place to go which is why most things follow the same aesthetic in the regular game "dumbknighst with big sword", while deepwoken the continets are literally sinking and you need some water bs portal to travel to sea. Yet stuff pops from other luminants as if travel between them was super mega dangerous and deadly. I like more the idea of a 'b' plot game. Where theres a bunch of stuff happening but you stick to a smaller view since that doesn't affect you.
At the end of the day no matter how toxic you think dw is rogue lineage is 10x more toxic in game and outside in discord communities, which older players will enjoy more, but there are obviously a lower number if older players compared to younger players
@@Reaconteur i had to log on to my build that was power 20 to actually get the badge, people that got power 20 and stopped playing before the badge was released don't have it
althought you make good points i have just one thing to note wouldnt the Maxium Power badge obviously have less people who've gotten it, since it was added much more recently than the Ultra Class one? in just 3 months the amount of people with it is half the amount of people whove gotten Ultra Class in over 3 years
For rogue the higher ultra count is due to how the average rogue player had more than one account to play the game on, I don’t think it’s a good time to make a comparison between both games when we take into consideration how rogue lineage has been around for longer while deep has not.
Deepwoken just feels a lot more messy than rogue lineage for me, the fact that they constantly introduce new concepts instead of polishing content that is unbalanced or just plain garbage (for example some bosses and mobs are just really poorly made like duke or kaido, both of them which are just punching bags, no kind of fight involved)
as a 1k day solan rogue player i think that deepwoken was really good (now its just shit because its so easy to make a build tbh and chime is a pvp arena so u dont even need to gank to learn how to parry properly anymore)
honestly i feel i as though deepwoken doesn’t really have much replay ability compared to rogue. it sounds dumb to say since looking at deepwoken it has so many different builds you can make and all the talents and stuff, but for me it almost feels like a chore to make build
One of the things i feel that kinda hindered the replayability is the attunements, especially earlier on in deepwoken. Sure each individual build might have talent variety, but picking the same attunement will start making it feel repetitive because of the mantra repeats. But thats just me
Been playing deepwoken since release but since the parry changes allowed for true combos, pvp became very shit. I’m now back on rogue and it’s more fun than ever with shit like roblox account manager, I can make a safe entirely by myself and loot a full CR every 15 minutes. Progression is easier than ever, the players are sweatier than ever, but the game is way more fun than deepwoken is right now.
ngl, comparing uber and super classes to max level deepwoken accounts is kinda rash, assuming people in rogue bought alts to make more builds assuming the game was way harder than deep, imagine if everyone in deepwoken got a max level badge per max level slot…
If rogue just made things *SLIGHTLY* less annoying when progress half of the classes it would’ve crushed deepwoken. I swear on my left nut I feel like Sisyphus whenever I try and make a deepknight
Nah its great as it is. The game was never meant to be mainstream. Imagine if rogue was filled with brainless gpo players. The pvp would devolve and it would completely plummet.
as "the dumb kid" that started playing deepwoken because of tank fish, yes i did stopped playing it because it was too hard but later on i realized how good this game is and how fun it is because of permament character loss and difficulty but now i got 500+ hours on it and dont regret anything and i enjoyed every single second i played deepwoken
I mean yeah, I’ve played since release and only have 700 hours, I don’t sit on my ass 10 hours a day to grind a curved blade of winds. I feel the irl fresh air winds and feel truely content with myself. Deepwoken wasn’t meant to be played for 24/7, and I think because I played it more casually I enjoyed the game a lot more. I can say the same with rogue
say goodbye to ur life once u press buy + theres too much stuff to learn ur not gonna have fun without friends helping everyones gonna keep killing you
Me playing Deepwoken : welp I'm getting jumped who can help me ? Me playing Rogue : HELP I"M GETTING MY CHEEKS SPREAD HELP ME FOREST 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! your just not immersed into the character u know like rogue did :/
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I agree wholeheartedly, I'm still of the opinion the devs just gave up on Rogue. However, it is worth mentioning that EVERYTHING in rogue required long time investments to obtain. Despite what some will likely say, yes. Waiting for an hour to get things like the crucial ability to climb is in fact, very long.
i love waiting 15 hours for shoulderthrow
glad they nerfed these long wait times in the recent updates
@@Reaconteur fortunately you get it upon getting your first ultra skill (they changed it!!!!!)
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They said they dropped rouge due to how terrible the code base was.
Playing Deepwoken feels like playing something mainstream while playing Rogue felt like playing some hardcore closed community game.
Well
both of those arent bad and or good
very true, deepwoken feels mainstream while rogue lineage kind of has a culture of its own
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If there isn’t a video like this already, I’d love to see you compare both rogue and deep in various topics
i made one but its old so i might do a new one
@@Reaconteuryou should
@@Reaconteurplease do, save us from the content drought
i wanna go back to october 2019 when rogue was active and not just exploiters and ultras 😭🙏 it's rarely fun to play anymore without a guild and most of them dissapeared when deepwoken dropped
same
nah it’s still fun to play 😊
Hey man there are no hackers and maybe you just needs get an ultra so you can fight just get better tbh still issue
@@almighty9006 no if more people knew what they were doing you would see exploiters more often, they are still there its sill rather easy to hack, just script kiddies from before byfron cant get their hands on working hacks making it less common to see one
Still fun and back attacthing does not exist anymore😊
Rogue lineage inspired a lot of different rougelike games - and I think a lot of people probably tried Deepwoken, found it wasnt really for them, and moved onto another game that came from the influence of Rogue. It's possible that Rogue was just so popular because it was one of the very few Roguelikes that got popular and then caused other games to come from it, where players then moved to the other games if one game wasn't for them.
u should try arcane lineage is a roguelike thats turn based i think it got inspired of rogue lineage a example of the class sistem on the game
rogue wasnt roguelike just permadeath
literally happened to me i loved rogue and did everything there was to do, deep came out, i tried it, i hated the combat because it was something i wasnt familiar with then dropped it after a week 😂😂
@@EgzoDiuse man in rogue i got only 1 ultra class skill that was my bigest achivement and it feel good and in deepwoken if i get to a high level i feel like if i had no progress on the game like in rogue when u get a super class u feel like if u acomplished something
@@paperclip3734 roguelikes are permadeath???
i think the reason deepwoken has "lower retention time" is because deepwoken utilizes teleports and seperate places in the game like the menu, etrean/eastern lum, depths, dungeons and more so the retention is innacurrate as it could be counting travelling places and leaving the game
its retention averages from every roblox place
rogue lineage felt like an actual rogue like game, deepwoken just felt too easy and able to maintain your lives
the thing i dont like about rogue lineage is how difficult it is to make any progression without watching 10 different tutorials. with deepwoken it’s relatively simple and even if you’re not watching 10 tutorials you can tell that you are getting stronger.
@@jackweber3660 man in rogue u can sense u make progresion like when u get a super class u sense that u are stronger in deepwoken from level 1 to max feels the same
@@enriqueedru8998 rogue would be a lot better if you could view your stats and if it had more unique accessories/weapons. every player ends up looking very similar to one another in rogue, it doesnt feel as personal of an experience since you cant really make any special builds that wrent already set up for you (apart from hybrid builds but those are still limited to classes)
@@jackweber3660nah when rogue first came out every one had different builds shit was so amazing & there’s many different things u can have that are different for your character (snaps , artifacts, magics, combos) , everyone looks different with dyes
@@jackweber3660rogue being so complicated is what made it fun for me, i just wandered around and tried to figure out what to do for a couple weeks and tbh it was fun to know nothing and be scared of everything but ofc after a couple weeks i figured out what i should do and got my first ultra
I love rogue lineage, but my main gripe with the game in its current state is that there's almost nobody actively progressing anymore. You can't just pick a class, go out and get grips/rots for it by fighting people on your level anymore. Almost everyone logs on sight (it's hilarious how many people have logged to me, a freshspawn with assassins armor) and grinds alts to get their class.
For me, at least, the fun in rogue never derived from the gratification of getting your class, but the struggle to get there. Solo progression used to be so fun and now I get an average of one grip per hour. Maybe I'm just really unlucky, but it still lost its charm all the same.
And Deepwoken isn't any better. The most fun I ever had was in the first week of release, because the optimal experience of the whole game was discovering new places and learning about the game with a group of friends. Any point after that, it loses all its fun. I haven't even done all there is to do in the game and I've still gotten bored of it. Normally, I'm a completionist, but I just can't bring myself to keep playing the game anymore.
i love waiting 15H for shoulder throw
100% agree with first two paragraphs
@@Reaconteur wdym you get shoulder throw when you get a super
I have been playing rogue since 2019 I have always loved the game and always will but it has recently become build simulator. I make a build on an acc, gank, die, get pd, gank, win, make new build.
yeah, a freshie shortage, i can't think of a solution but maybe make it harder to boost yourself/others would be a good start to force people to progress normally
deepwoken does seem to be going closer towards the sort of closeknit community state (where you see players you don't really know multiple times) like just today i fought some guy in chime and saw him fighting squibbo later
i can refute this with 2 words: gaia dwellers
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seriously the only things that wipe you 50% of the time are gaia dwellers killing freshies for fun
Farming freshies for goofy classes.....
Erm... Actually, its very fun to kill fresh spawns 🤓
Screw these gaia dwellers we need another freshie riot in rouge lineage
this just shows the amount of potential rogue lineage had. I think it would be awesome if rogue lineage got remade and could have potential to be better than deepwoken.
rogue lineage has more retention system because it has more time restricted requirements for most of its lifespawn(COUGH COUGH ILLU, PDS, EVERY RACE IN THE GAME, GACHA, ETC)
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Keep preaching my brother, hopefully some day they will give rogue actual devs.
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I think that if rogue had the same hype deepwoken had and if its combat system was better with better anims and less bugs, along with khei actually being finished and not super buggy that rogue would have more players even in its no major updates darkage that will continue forever likely
also rogue has more mechanics that require you to stay for hours and its a much more difficult game with many more black marketers meaning I think that a lot of the statistics are pretty boosted but it would be better if it wasnt given up on, also deepwoken hasnt been out nearly as long as rogue
yeah but its way too late to change the combat system it would just kill the game
@@jay8859 you make a good point, if it was still like 2018-2019 when it was newer and more people were playing it would have been ok imo to change the combat system enough to make it easier to balence and decrease the amount of bugs
@@MarsRover81lso with the animations it allows animation cancels so you can move stack, change it and you stop one combos but in a game with resurrections one combos are somewhat needed. everything is so unbalanced it’s almost balanced.
I mean getting into 'what If' is pretty stupid.
Although I do think rogue is better than Deepwoken and would advocate for it, in the ultra class vs max power statistic, the badge for max power was recently created and to my knowledge you wouldn’t get the badge until you rejoined when you were max after it was created. This places a skew on the data, as people who got max (power 60) before layer 2, and people who were max before the badge then wiped, a chunk of the badge count is missing. Idk tho just my thoughts
deepwokens better rogue is more fun
@@Reaconteur they could make rogue a better game and more fun then deepwoken but I guess they just stupid
@@hhdplayz1232 I don't think you get it
Ah… tale of a cruel world. That song will forever be beautiful. I feel like the music is one of the main things that makes calamity mod feel more timeless.
we need a rogue lineage 2, the concepts of the classes are really cool and there isn't anything like it on roblox. rogue just needs to be a bit more balanced (remove snarv and geli)
Permafreshie
@@keri7031 i dog on u in rogue pathetic fuck don't even talk to me. i see u in khei u r wiped do me a favour and talk to ya'alda already dog
Ive been saying this. Rogue was such a gem and with more work from devs who are more knowledgable than they used to be would be amazing. New classes, new map (hell maybe even just a remaster just very improved) would be so great
I would love to see a game that's rouge lineage with deepwoken level graphics and monsters. I like the idea of classes better than deepwokens power system because there no way to limit or balance this as easily as just seeing a broken class and nerf it or rework it. the whole point of deepwoken was not having classes was so player would be unique but everyone just mains meta builds so there all the same anyway.
What type of combat would you want to be in that game?
@@mi_kii a doge based combat mixed with rouge lineage combat, it makes no sense how can block/parry a 15-150 meter tall monsters and not have my arms ripped of due to F=ma in Deepwoken
i cant find it but ragoozer said during an elden ring stream he'd be down to remaster rogue lineage
@@Michael-UnKnown or suposely dodging a gigant sword from a gigant stone or snow guardian like bro u can see the sword pasing in you
Personally I like rogue and deepwoken an equal amount, both were very fun but I’d probably like deepwoken more if it had the same media bad rogue had. A media bad for layer 2 would have helped too
Retention stats are weird like that though.
Rogue lineage had ~Days~ which was a near arbitrary system forcing players to play for 1-2 hours to do any meaningful progression at the start. This obviously increases 'Retention' because if you play for less than 1 hour, you're severely limited in your gameplay, which Deepwoken doesn't have the same issue, letting players use various means to progress and not barring something behind a time requirement. (You CAN do layer 2 at power 1, it's been done. You CAN'T do deepforest without mana climb, barring the entire area.)
Also Deepwoken has been out for a fraction of the time Rogue has been, and the people still playing Rogue are continually bolstering its statistics.
Anyway, that's just my opinion.
You get mana climb and mana run at day 0 now + you can just do 1 round of zscrooms then punch one of them for mana. Progression is easy in rogue
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@@sanityl3534 But the point is you didn't for YEARS until a RECENT update. And that's most of the statistics.
deepwoken is like rogue lineage but you dont immediately get killed on sight
Rogues average play time is crazy considering how many times people hop for safe servers
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Flamingo’s rogue lineage video got me into rogue, I had no clue what to do but stuck with it because I genuinely had a good time
Well considering the newish updates to rogue, it’s pretty alright. But the only problem is that now that exploiters are gone it’s a result for all ultras to kill freshspawns it really isn’t all that hard to get classes anymore to be honest. Another thing is that khei is either dead or is being flooded by any other existing houses or friends. But I think rogue is still a good game.
reaconteur rogue video, we eating good today
Yes we are
the only problem I have with comparing the ultra class badge to the max power badge is that the ultra badge is over 3 years old while the max power badge is only 3 months old, and you were using this to show how double the amount of rogue players have played long term, but the issue is that the badge is really damn old compared to the max power one for deepwoken, which already has half the amount in under a quarter the amount of time
everyone who has a max power slot got the max power badge
@@Reaconteur oh I thought you had to get a max slot after the badge dropped to get it
@@Reaconteuronly counts people who 1. Have it when the badge is made and 2. Log back on
Also like he said in the video, only 1 badge per deep account cause slots. In rogue everyone i knew had alts(a lot of alts). I've gotten ultra classes on 8 different accounts.
@@femboygodblankkcu284 on average rogue players dont have enough alts to make up for the fact that deepwoken has so many more players
There were way less players on Roblox when rogue actually had updates that’s the main reason to the player count being different
rogue lineage could be an AMAZING game with some slight combat tweaks and balance changes and a less painful progression. i do not enjoy getting ganked by 3 ultras so one of them can get a rune.
same
slight is a fucking understatement ngl
The reason i think more people quit deepwoken is because deepwoken feels less alive with its players rouge they are TONS of reasons for you to talk fight or make peace with anybody you find but with deepwoken you only get that till power 5 when voidwalkers can come after you or power 10 when high levels just jump high levels
bad game
wowie zowie! what a banger!! another epic video from Reaconteur
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for the time i played both of these games i feel like rogue was more fun but maybe it was the people i got to bound with along the way. without a doubt whenever the friendgroup drops the game i cant help but feel like we couldve committed more to the game but you cant blame them for being less competitive. which game did you enjoy more reactor?
as much as i enjoyed both games and maybe still would have. its not fun when you play them by yourself
I prefer Deepwoken more if I'm honest, it's more balanced, and I don't have to worry about some mage dropping an ice nuke on my head every five minutes. Not to mention, race benefits kinda fucked me over since I got Ashiin in Rogue and I was stuck alone so I was fending for myself in an unbalanced hellscape most of the time(when I wasn't in the ded room or saved by some random other Ashiin), but then again that's just my experiences and opinion.
Perma-freshie S U C K S
ashiin is cracked bro im a RIGGER@@lamithetoon2384
Tell that to the dozens of races that outclass Ashiin completely, especially the one with dodges built in, being able to punch harder doesn't amount to much against a race that can do whatever the bird one could@@dragronlucio2773
@@lamithetoon2384you shoulda gone oni back in the day and got construct
One of the points you brought up contradicts yourself. You talked about how people who play rogue are incentivized to make multiple accounts to play rogue to make multiple builds. And since rogue lineage has double the amount of people who got the power 20 badge, lets just say everyone had a SINGLE alt account. That alone puts rogue almost below deepwoken because its numbers get fluffed up by that.
and deepwoken has atleast 5x the players so the numbers are still lower and i know that rogue lineage players dont have 5 ultras each
@@yelyu3867 since deep has 5x the players, all that says is that there is a smaller PERCENTAGE of people out of all players who played deepwoken that got the badge.
@@thecomet653 yeah percentage matters
All i can say is that rogue is the type of game that if the devs loved it like it was deepwoken it could still be popular today
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I'll say one thing, Deepwoken's Lore/worldbuilding is Not better than rogue's. Don't get me wrong, it's more available and easier to find like ingame, but it's leagues behind Rogue's lore, which has been in process for years (With Tales of the Valley and Rogue both feeding into eachother)
Though rogue's lore is Much harder to find, and you do really have to search, it is still a much more rewarding thing to look into than the currently shallow world of Deepwoken (I've gone deep into both)
Thing is you can actually find most of deepwokens lore in-game and the story is semi original, unlike rogue which ripped off shows like FMA:B blatantly and you could rarely find anything outside of screenshots of discord messages
Nuh uh.
@@coocato Ngl, deepwoken barely has a story, and the stuff it does have, is also ripped out of other media 👀
@@froojie1922 there’s definitely an aspect of originality to it, and in game there’s way more story than in game rogue
rogues story was basically plagiarized
@@coocato As I said, what story ._.
"The world is ending oh no!"
Rogue was kinda different ngl. The community aspect mattered way more since doing shit solo was not really an option
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absolutely agree. nothing beat the feeling that rogue gave, and as for how they accomplished it, i have no clue. i also think it can never be recreated. still love u reac
remind me of pilgrammed , Its a game if you join on your own your prob gonna leave and never return but if you get ppl to help and to encourage you to play you realize how fun it is . The community is small but strong alot of passionate people play it
this is way older than pilgrammed
Pilgrammed is nothing like rogue lmao
I think a big factor is that tons of rouge players switched to Deepwoken and then they realized it was way different and then quit
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I think retention is lower in deep woken because
1. rogue used to have a lot more times you have to wait
2. there is a lack of late game content and people don't want to play or some people quit deepwoken and sometimes hop on. so there is a lot of people who bought the game but not a lot of people who play for more than 20 minutes.
I do believe the current rogue updates added are helping maintain rogues player base as it's increased a decent amount after the updates dropped.
ok but, vow of mastery trolling
the rouge lineage was the friends we made along the deepwoken
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Reaconteur. My good air
You have gained a new sub.
But seriously i feel like you have a good point. Rouge fel5 way more rewarding so when it was in its prime more people were eager to get ultras and ubers, just like how deep was to get power 60(keyword :was). But after verse 2 dropped it was basically playing on easy mode. Yeah content was good and agamatsu was able to still afford doordash but if we were to bring a game with as much hype as prime rouge agamatsu would be able to afford door dashes dash pass. Deepwoken i feel like wouldnt be good if a rouge game came around with smth like deepwoken graphics. The game types ar3 different but 1 in its prime is gonna be WAY better
thank you for the sub big man
@@Reaconteur no problem bro
No way reactor got a sponsor. Get that money up radiant ong
this is like my 25th sponsor
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Hello, reacontuer. I have an interesting study to share with you, that being that Deepwoken has a secret IRL ability that it grants to developers and RUclipsrs like you, that ability or “Mantra” in Deepwoken terms is known as “DoorDash”. Now as we both know, Roblox takes around a 30 percent cut of the money made by these Roblox developers so rogue lineage’s Net income is around 221,900$ While Deepwoken’s net income is around 2,450,000$. With this fact in mind, the average cost per order of door dash is around 33 dollars so the total amount of door dash orders you can make with rogue lineage’s net income is around 6724 orders while deepwokens total doordash orders with its net income is 74242 orders. In conclusion, Deepwoken is the better and more successful game.
yeah i have it too
I think rogue's community is so dedicated and due to how it works, a lot of the class awards were probably alts? tbh not sure.
maybe
The badge difference doesn't take into account the maxed powers BEFORE Layer 2 and the creation of the badge, as well as the fact that there is no slots in Rogue meaning there is much more Ultra alts.
yes it does if you have max power you get the badge automatically which is when i got it
@@Reaconteur but if you got power 20 and quit the game before the badge was added, you would have never got the badge
and for ur more people play rogue lineage for longer, because in rogue lineage people have a reason to buy alts since slots dont exist in rogue lineage. i've gotten ultra in rogue lineage probably like 7 times and 6 of those are from alts alone.(meaning i got the badge 7x times), while in deepwoken i've had 20 max slots at once, however i've gotten the badge once
nevermind i just watched the next five seconds of your video, this youtube comment was a waste
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Ngl tho someone HAS to buy rogue lineage's rights before its too late bro
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Also in rogue, the majority of players are consistently running 2 or more accounts some even run 25s so I believe that the active players are pretty much always halved and even more players are in ps. No hate to rogue I love the game but I just feel that the player count is pretty much permanently inflated
Although I've never played rogue before I do understand the points you're bringing up in this video. The data never lies and I can definitely see how it has better statistics compared to deep.
data doesnt lie unless its forged :troll:
@@Reaconteur Reaconteur admitting to falsified information. (1986. Colourised.)
rag/arch really should have passed rogue to soem devs that they trusted, but they would risk getting the game stolen, so into the abyss of abandonment it goes
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erm actually deepwoken has a 88% upvotes out of 247k votes and rogue has 84% out of 130k votes so deepwoken is a statistically more liked game
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I've always thought of this, arch and rag most likely dropped the concept of tales and rogue that they created including all the lore and events that happened. I feel like the universe in those two games are something that could shine much brighter with their current experience and resources, but now that they have those resources and have moved on, they sadly won't go back. Rogue Lineage 2 or Tales from the Valley 2 sounds very stupid, they don't NEED to use the same lore. The main thing for me is the gameplay of Rogue which could have been perfect, which they abandoned.
If people wanted a game with the same tales/rogue lore, Arch would most likely say that the lore just wasn't on par, and that Deepwoken lore is better and it's an easier game to work on. But MAN is it boring. Rogue has the intensity in gameplay but less quality, and Deepwoken has more quality but no intensity. I don't see them making Deepwoken feel like rogue, which is why a new game with polished rogue progression would be the only option. *(could or could not be a sequel - it doesn't have to use the same lore, gameplay is most important)*
TL;DR rogue was close to being perfect, and they have the ability to do that now, but it's too late, they moved on. (the entire game got too much spaghetti code, a new game with their current resources would be the best thing to come out of Monad)
Interestingly enough, ragoozer said he'd be down for remaking rogue lineage.
@@LordAoGuang really? do you know where he said that?
@@ascenn yeah twitch. Rag doesn't have vods but my friend has a clip if u want it
Both games are no longer in prime but heres the things that make them different or prove which is "better".
Rogue lineage had less peak players due to it being MUCH more difficult (dw also had way more hype), a person who has 0 clue about the game is practically guranteed to not play or comeback unless they gain more knowledge. Same can be applied to dw on a lesser scale. The bigger ratio of dislikes is mostly caused due to ppl finding the game to difficult and etc.
Rogue was way more engaging and overall players were more involved with the game as shown with the prime blackmarket freshie azael accs going for around 200 USD LOL.
Deepwoken is overall "better made" with having better effects, graphics, ost and etc. while rogue was a one time experience with its uniqueness and "fun" combat. Rogue also feels way more rewarding than dw, ppl literally wouldnt fight on their max builds because they were scared to wipe while in dw the ganking lost all its purpuse due to luck being removed, enchants not dropping and chime. + You can only wipe in dw if you get jumped by multiple mobs or by a player which is rare due to the community being less toxic and overall more friendly.
Only thing dw EASILY wins is progression even though both rogue and dw prog are ASSS
The builds in rogue feel much more unique too with the artifacts, spells, races and classes while in dw its just "hes a flame med with blindseer".
Lowkey couldve written twice as much but aint none reading even to this point 💀 Still prefer rogue even when not getting to experience its prime. I enjoy things like the competetive community, it feeling more rewarding, the combat (i hate dw combat) and the risk involved.
I read it all
video idea (tedious as hell)
rank all weapon types (greataxe, sword, dagger, etc.) in all weapon classes (LHT, HVY, MED) for pvp practicality via a tierlist
i personally wouldn't include legendary weapons i would just like analyze crits, playstyles, enchant compatibility, etc
maybe
@@Reaconteur RANK MONSTERS BASED ON HOW DUMPY THEY ARE ILL BUY A MEMBERSHIP PLEASE11!!1!1!1!
i can make my build in deepwoken in 6 hours while rogue lienage im waiting 15 hours just to use my race abilities
rogue is boring for that
that isn’t a thing as of recent
I am one of those people who join the game for 5 sec and leave because im asian and uh i usually play in singapore server. When i join the game all of the singpore servers ALWAYS MAXED because there is literally only 5 singapore server. I love deepwoken but i don’t wanna play the game in 200 ms
I can't lie I would fully contribute this deficit in average retention to day farming. People would spend many many hours afking in rogue lineage before they changed race prog requirements.
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bro the only thing that holds rogue back is its visuals, if it looked as pretty as deepwoken I can assure you everyone would be playing it
If they balanced out rogue it would've been so much better
Comparing rogue and deepwoken is like comparing Martial Arts, they can be similar but also really different.
honestly deepwoken became too easy, the thing about rogue is that it was challenging and is still challenging, deepwoken made their grinding system and getting rare things like enchants very easy to appeal to newer players, but since it's so easy right now the game is boring for a lot of players since we can get basically whatever we want. i went back to rogue and im enjoying it a lot right now
well yea if the gracficts dont kill your pc every time u do a ability
@@enriqueedru8998 you just have a really bad pc lol my pc is like 7 years old and it runs fine
Out of context: I vividly remember trying rogue lineage and I was like a mushroom race even though I don't remember ever buying the game
either it was either another game or something idk
it was rogue
There's another reason to the uber class badge having double the obtainments, it came out after world traveler so anyone with an uber who just hasn't touched the game doesn't have the badge, same with anyone that had uber before and then wiped before the uber badge came out, not to mention sac alts which are usually permafreshie accs.
Video idea: Chime is killing Deepwoken.
Now hear me out, there is no doubt that the top 50 have an influence in balancing. At first anyone would be like “Sure good thing, experienced players helping in balancing”. But later on.
“Chime = Main game???”
By this I mean that most balancing changes feel more focused for chime rather for the main game use.
And considering that some top 50 were boosted to their currently spot, it could go to the worse, considering that non experienced players could be the ones making wrong decisions upon having the word in the balancing of the game.
An example of the terrible balancing are:
-Jetstriker mantras keeping momentum: in chime is perfect for the Jetstriker, but yet comes difficult once it’s not against 1 person and there is more environmental that players can use.
-Bloodshadow: Bloodshadow mainly has been nerfed because of Infinite posture (that’s why now Bloodshadow can be canceled by hitting their block), making unable to use Bloodshadow on lightning clones, I used this feature but it didn’t heal much compared to using it against a player (which was way faster), also considering that these clones die in 1 hit by anyone even yourself.
This has to be brought up as a video to make more attention please.
These are good balancing changes 800 elo player moment
@@codfnbr8269 For chime, not for the main game.
@@toniarcilla6591 how is fighting in the over world any different?? So having a unavoidable 1 bar healing + 1 bar dmg is fair because it is in the over world????????
the all time low player retention was probably people leaving because chime would always bug mr reactor
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@@Reaconteur chime is for zesty obese people while I reaper bell the children’s hospital, wish me luck on getting a railbalde👍🔥🔥🔥🔥
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Deepwoken might have a better world building, but Rogue Lineage (even when I first joined) felt much more fun due to the atmosphere. Deepwoken's more gloomier atmosphere is probably what drove some people off compared to Rogue Lineage's much more friendly atmosphere (even though deep down you knew evil existed inside of the game.). Rogue Lineage lore (keep in mind im talking about KHEI LORE) is incomparable to Deepwoken's lore. But Tales beats all of them, NOBODY CAN BEAT TALE-
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I like rogue more in the worldbuilding aspect. It reminds me of ds2. Where the planet is completetly devasteted by the 'undead curse' and theres no safe place to go which is why most things follow the same aesthetic in the regular game "dumbknighst with big sword", while deepwoken the continets are literally sinking and you need some water bs portal to travel to sea. Yet stuff pops from other luminants as if travel between them was super mega dangerous and deadly. I like more the idea of a 'b' plot game. Where theres a bunch of stuff happening but you stick to a smaller view since that doesn't affect you.
i would rather pluck out my eyes + tear out my throat + lay waste to ALL that is sacred than fight an ultra mage ever again in my life
How was estimated gross revenue calculated?
it has to be more than 300k
game cost, race reroll, gamepasses, lineage revive
you forgot that only about 15,000 people actually played deepwoken actively including alts
hey reacounter this is cool ngl
At the end of the day no matter how toxic you think dw is rogue lineage is 10x more toxic in game and outside in discord communities, which older players will enjoy more, but there are obviously a lower number if older players compared to younger players
we need rogue lineage revamp
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i think the badges are inaccurate because the ultra class badge was released much longer ago but the power 20 badge was released more recently
everyone got the power 20 badge if they have a power 20 bruh
@@Reaconteur i had to log on to my build that was power 20 to actually get the badge, people that got power 20 and stopped playing before the badge was released don't have it
ultra class badge is way harder to get
rogue needs more love.
althought you make good points i have just one thing to note
wouldnt the Maxium Power badge obviously have less people who've gotten it, since it was added much more recently than the Ultra Class one?
in just 3 months the amount of people with it is half the amount of people whove gotten Ultra Class in over 3 years
everyone got the power 20 badge if they have a power 20 bruh
For rogue the higher ultra count is due to how the average rogue player had more than one account to play the game on, I don’t think it’s a good time to make a comparison between both games when we take into consideration how rogue lineage has been around for longer while deep has not.
deeps almost on year 3 bruh
As someone who played both Vesteria and rogue lineage, i hardly found the inspiration from rogue, but maybe that me.
Deepwoken just feels a lot more messy than rogue lineage for me, the fact that they constantly introduce new concepts instead of polishing content that is unbalanced or just plain garbage (for example some bosses and mobs are just really poorly made like duke or kaido, both of them which are just punching bags, no kind of fight involved)
as a 1k day solan rogue player i think that deepwoken was really good (now its just shit because its so easy to make a build tbh and chime is a pvp arena so u dont even need to gank to learn how to parry properly anymore)
Ong i played rogue just to hop on with some friends and jump randoms, make safes. Etc... getting flooded on n shit was mad fun.
If they had updated rogue for longer it would've been wayyyy more popular
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honestly i feel i as though deepwoken doesn’t really have much replay ability compared to rogue. it sounds dumb to say since looking at deepwoken it has so many different builds you can make and all the talents and stuff, but for me it almost feels like a chore to make build
One of the things i feel that kinda hindered the replayability is the attunements, especially earlier on in deepwoken. Sure each individual build might have talent variety, but picking the same attunement will start making it feel repetitive because of the mantra repeats. But thats just me
Fr in deepwoken every progression is almost the same while in rogue u had diff progressions for each class
Been playing deepwoken since release but since the parry changes allowed for true combos, pvp became very shit. I’m now back on rogue and it’s more fun than ever with shit like roblox account manager, I can make a safe entirely by myself and loot a full CR every 15 minutes. Progression is easier than ever, the players are sweatier than ever, but the game is way more fun than deepwoken is right now.
Deepwoken had complex mechanics with interesting meaning. Rogue had simple mechanics that could be combined to do so many things.
please don't diss my fav game deepwoken anymore or i will get angry...
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ngl, comparing uber and super classes to max level deepwoken accounts is kinda rash, assuming people in rogue bought alts to make more builds assuming the game was way harder than deep, imagine if everyone in deepwoken got a max level badge per max level slot…
rogue 2019 was so nuts compared to early 2022 deepwoken its not even close imo
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compare world building + lore
i think rogue is more vibrant on that
If rogue just made things *SLIGHTLY* less annoying when progress half of the classes it would’ve crushed deepwoken. I swear on my left nut I feel like Sisyphus whenever I try and make a deepknight
Nah its great as it is. The game was never meant to be mainstream. Imagine if rogue was filled with brainless gpo players. The pvp would devolve and it would completely plummet.
chime is the equivilent of adding private servers to rogue
which is why its bad
chime yippeeee!!!!!! hooray!!! railblade dawnwalker hooray!!!!!
Also rogue is just more fun in my biased opinion
agree
how do u get so many sponsorships u get like 10k views on average
i average like 20k long with 6 minute retention which is above average by a lot
I haven't played Rogue Lineage but from what I have heard it has a lot more stuff to do than Deepwoken
no its just got more fun pvp
as "the dumb kid" that started playing deepwoken because of tank fish, yes i did stopped playing it because it was too hard but later on i realized how good this game is and how fun it is because of permament character loss and difficulty but now i got 500+ hours on it and dont regret anything and i enjoyed every single second i played deepwoken
average tankfish fan
@@Reaconteur because i play the game i enjoy?
I mean yeah, I’ve played since release and only have 700 hours, I don’t sit on my ass 10 hours a day to grind a curved blade of winds. I feel the irl fresh air winds and feel truely content with myself. Deepwoken wasn’t meant to be played for 24/7, and I think because I played it more casually I enjoyed the game a lot more. I can say the same with rogue
Bros making healthy food promo ads to Rogue and Deepwoken players... 💀
Do you think rouge linage is worth buying? I have been considering it
not anymore
say goodbye to ur life once u press buy + theres too much stuff to learn ur not gonna have fun without friends helping everyones gonna keep killing you
Me playing Deepwoken : welp I'm getting jumped who can help me ?
Me playing Rogue : HELP I"M GETTING MY CHEEKS SPREAD HELP ME FOREST 5 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
your just not immersed into the character u know like rogue did :/