Can an electric outboard survive offshore? Testing the ePropulsion Spirit 1.0 Evo - Ep145 - TSF
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2021
- Training season is still kicking hard. Along with the usual training routine in La Turballe I got to go and play with some other Minis in Lorient and in La Rochelle.
Great time and perfect layout to test a new toy, an electric outboard that looks promising, here is for more specs:
Spirit 1.0 Evo | 3HP Electric Outboard Motor:
- Hydro generation: Charging battery while sailing
- Safety wristband compatible: Provides emergency shut-down in case of a man overboard
- Hydrogeneration: Charging battery while sailing. From 4 knots, the hydro generation can be activated and charges around 40W. At 10 knots, you have around 300W recharging power. Over 10 knots, Spirit 1.0 Evo will enter protection mode and the hydrogeneration power will not increase.
For more info please visit www.epropulsion.com/?... , or stop by a dealer to check out the product in person.
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24:00 Your skipper's English is extremely clear and reassuringly confident. First rate
The best videos are these - showing real life implementations for boaters. Thank you. Love the hydrogeneration feature!!!
Folks You Are Witness To The Next Great Vendee Skipper In The Making!
Epropulsion seems like a great move forward away from 2 & 4 strokes. Great video 👍😊
I installed a 10 hp ePropulsion outboard on my 27ft sailboat. Also purchased the two required Li-Ion batteries from them. Love their product!
I dont no what i like more you're accent or your boat
Really interesting concept, especially the hydrogeneration for extended on water usage. Thanks for the video.
you are very obviously a highly skilled sailor!
Love the motor, brilliant concept!
Great video again Hugo, but you missed out on a free beer in La Rochelle! ;-)
Beer?..... or CHdP:) Anyway, Pour n'être pas les esclaves martyrisés du Temps, ou Corona, enivrez-vous; enivrez-vous sans cesse! :)
Thanks a lot, I might actually get back there soon, I still don't know how to reach out to you tho... send me an email to get in touch: thesailingfrenchman@gmail.com
Bonjour Une fois de plus vidéo très intéressante. Et j'adore le port Joinville sur l'ile d'Yeu. Vivement le prochain épisode
Thank you for posting this. I ordered an Epropulsion Spirit 1.0 only this morning for my Sun 2000. Ever since I have been a bit worried as all the RUclips videos that I’ve seen have been using them on inflatables or lightweight fishing craft on inland waters. I was sure it would be fine for my needs but wanted to see some proof. Now I’ve seen it. If it’s good enough for your boat when leaving and entering marinas it will be more than good enough for mine. I’ve subscribed to your channel. I sail out of La Rochelle so I will keep an eye out for your boat as you might well be in the area from time to time. Merci une fois de plus.
This was very useful video. Would appreciate more similar (honest) ones on various gear on sailing boats. You did excellent job on this one to show benefits and potential issues and thus help both those of us considering buying and on other hand I believe manufacturers also can learn and address issues they may have.
Thank you good test 👍 like the regeneration
Just found your channel- loved this one.
Wow! i really like your van quick fix! ...
Thanks for showing how to reef the jib in a heavy breeze!! Impressive.
Saw the electric motor on Sailing Fair Isle and after watching your video I was like, "Where have I seen that before?". Good to see you have some maneuverability now.
It seems will work for you, congrats
. Good vid chief thanks.
Nice review. I’ve been look at one.
“I guess I should read the manual.” 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He is one of us :D
yes yiu shoukd
Great to see electric propulsion evolving! It is 100% the future... the harbour oil slick said it all. Non-Chinese motors also available.
Best way living! Keep going on the seas!👌👍✌😊😇
Elle était attendue.... Merci Hugo
Toujours de superbes vidéos !!
Mais on attend toujours la vidéo pour expliquer la sélection des seconds sur la Clipper Race ;)
Omg! Hugo, dont fix your own van 😂 there's additives you can put in the coolant system to slow it temporarily, another great video 👍 good luck with the new toy, best stay as far away from combustion engines as possible and get those sails up ⛵
Génial ce moteur électrique, quel simplicité.
Come for a electric motor review, get to watch you work on your van. Great stuff
Très intéressante vidéo.. 👍
That would have been a great day for recuperation.
Great review, really informative. Looks like an excellent product. Most sailors use their engine for less than 30 mins a day to get in and out of harbours, this is cleaner, more efficient and almost no maintenance.
Couldn't agree more!
@@TheSailingFrenchman to me this is a no brainer I have the same luck with engines. im going to invest in one. Thanks for the honest review
not eñoygh jeep engine health 🖕
True, but there’s also the case that you’re out sailing and then the wind drops but you still need to get back to marina in daylight.
Fantastic engine review would use it on my cruiser once my trusty old Tohatsu dies...👍
Hey Hugo , electric outboard is super...i put it on my 21ft last season. for entering and leaving harbor priceless..new brushless motors are efficient and reliable.., many times i see guys sitting in the marina and fiddling around with combustion outboard motors instead of sailing...
Which ePropulsion model did you get? I see the Spirit 1.0 and Spirit Evo are both 3hp. Is that enough for your 21ft sailboat? Or did you need to get the Navy that comes in 6hp or 9.9hp?
not chef they bougg chief out biard 40000 hiues 40 year rekbile
C'est pas bien de release la vidéo un matin de semaine, comment je bosse moi!!! Obligé de s'arrêter pour regarder cette vidéo tant attendue!
Great information on your engine. Regeneration a major advantage. If you get a spare magnetic ignition switch, you will be sure you won't lose the one that came with the motor. It might be helpful to have some spray electronic cleaner aboard to use on the cable in case salt film causes poor contact.
Great point!
Great review thanks Hugo. I have a Dufour T7, designed for the Mini way back in the 70s. I've reviewed the subtitles and notice you got 'about 4knts' at full power. Is this 3.5-4 or more like 4-4.5? There so few reviews of these Spirit 1.0s powering daysailers and I'm really keen to switch to electric but I have to have 4knts min to cope with the tide where I sail.
Hoping that my old fashioned pointed bow may be more slippery than a scowl when motoring!
Trop génial! I would be so happy to never mess with a gas outboard again
yes off shore test chief useibg
I wonder how much more variable pitch blades (either automatic or manual) will add to the cost. I think that is the next progression.
Bonjour,
Super intéressant ce test.
Quel est le retour après tout ce temps?
Et dans le courant, il donne quoi?
Merci.
C.
J'avais hésité lors de l'achat de mon bateau (Seascape 24) entre 4tps et électrique... Au regard de ta vidéo je regrette un peu.... Mais une option pour le futur.... Merci Hugo ça fait du bien d'être même par procuration sur un bateau... 2020 avait été déjà très courte... 2021 n'a toujours pas démarré.....
On attend les images de tes entraînements à La Rochelle.
Peut-être pourrais tu détailler comment se passe ces sessions d'entraînement... Type d'exercices... Répétitions... Pour nous inspirer lorsque l'on retournera sur l'eau.
Merci Hugo
Cool video. How heavy is your boat? Length? Would love to see a torture test.
Does this 1kW engine provide enough thrust to get your mini into a harbor with 30 knot headwinds, or do you wish it had more power, for bad conditions?
I have what looks like your outboard bracket, the black plastic mounting board for the motor on mine has a flat back but the front is full of cavities which makes it difficult to clamp the motor to it. Is yours solid or does it also have the molded cavities in the front side? The stand offs are a good idea so you can fully tilt the motor up.
My following comments about electric engines are not related to this product. I have an electric yacht inboard engine in my boat. It was super easy to install and the cost wasn’t bad either. The real costs are in the batteries. On a motor such as mine 10kw, you need about 6.5 kts to get any measurable regeneration. So we essentially need to be at hull speed to get any benefit. I would expect a motor such as the one Hugo has to get regeneration at much slower speeds. Of course with his rocket, he doesn’t need to worry about it.
How did you find the motor going against wind and tide did it have enough power to make headway?
Nice review dude! An another cool feature of this engine is that the battery pack floats!!!!! It is not a joke!!! Today with the hydrogeneration this little engine has no competitor. Certainly my next TT companion
Hi Hugo. This is an interesting looking product, the hydo-generation is a fantastic feature. Something I will have a look at.
On the cable from the motor to the battery is there a cap for the plug? Or is there some other way to protect the plug terminals from sea water? That might be one of the more important maintenance items to watch. Maybe carry some contact cleaner and a bit of dielectric grease as a precaution.
There is a cap indeed, but it seems a bit loose, I've just stuffed the whole connection with grease, just in case :)
Hey mate, awesome Vids, could I ask what auto pilot you have in your mini? Cheers
Pushrod s a Raymarine T1 and the rest (calculator etc) is NKE
Do you know the brand of the solar panel poles you are using in the stern?
New video!
I went with tohatsu propane 5HP. I wish more people would follow suit. Propane is a byproduct of gas production and it burns clean. No spills or fuel smell. It’s louder but everything else is better imo. I’m surprised propanes aren’t more popular tbh I think the marketing is the only reason
id love to see more on how it handles the boat on its own without the sails, along with its power consumption
Will try to give more insights on this in a coming Q&A
Thanks my distant Future Friend! Appreciate the review… looking at getting one of these for new dingy on a 45’ sail boat.
Any of you experienced Sailing Geniuses have any recommendations for a collapsing dingy (so it can be stowed when on longer passages)? We need one for two - three people! (Well… two people: 160 pound, one 108 pound, a small corgi, and two cats!)
Seriously any suggestions be appreciated!
Is it possible to connect the engine to the main battery inside the boat? Use engine without its own battery but only lifepo4 300ah inside the boat.
Salut Hugo, bien intéressant comme moteur. Idéal pour un petit bateau comme celui que j'envisage, il fait hydrogénération donc possibilité de recharger la batterie du moteur mais put être celle du bateau aussi? Possibilité d'utiliser la batterie pour alimenter le bateau lorsqu'elle n'est pas utilisée pour le moteur? Bref peut être le moteur et sa batterie pourraient remplacer la batterie du bateau + les panneaux solaires + le moteur de l'annexe + le moteur du bateau (je parle bien évidemment pour des bateaux de moins de 1T. Super test, à voir dans la durée. Marc
Oui exactement, en fait cette marque propose aussi des batteries domestiques qui peuvent etre montées pour alimenter le moteur et le réseau domestiques et peuvent inclure un input venant de panneaux solaires
that is the slickest reef system ive ever seen. Was it really blowing 35 kts? Nice camera work too. Really enjoyed this segment.
Why put the battery on the engine? Wouldnt it be safer to run a wire?
That reef system, amazing!
wrobg
Looks like an awesome motor thete are 2 features that I would like: One to charge the boats batteries not just it's own battery and B to have option to use the battery remotely, like to have the battery inside a cockpit locker.
Totally agree, question is whether it could handle the abuse and power created at speed behind a boat like Hugo’s. The Vendée Globe saw several hydro generators burn out I believe cause they aren’t expected to run at such high speeds. It would be awesome on a cruiser to charge batteries on a dull day when solar ain’t putting out
Don't need to charge boat battery. Just have one extra battery and 2 ports inside. 12V and duble capacity. When using one battery for propulsion, one is always House battery. For small boats would be perfect. Modular and chargebal at the same time. And for raising they can make only hidrogeneration modul. Baseclly all in one product
Yeah you're right, ePropulsion offers this option, have a look at their website, they did thought the concept through
I'd really like an in depth look at your solar panel set up
Coming soon(ish)
Et quand l'hydro-générateur a fin de rechargé la batterie du moteur, c'est possible de recharger la batterie du bateau pour alimenter le pilote?
I am leaning towards epropulsion for my small 18 little cruising boat, I was wondering what is the weight of the boat you are testing the evo on? Awesome sailing, enjoy the journey.
Boat is around 1 ton
@@TheSailingFrenchman thank you for the reply and I am impressed the epropulsion pushed your boat along pretty well for its wieght.
Bjr Hugo
Et bien c’est super ce test, je dois m’acheter un moteur pour mon annexe et je voudrais un électrique, le choix se porte soit sur torqeedo ou sur epropulsion que j’ai découvert il y a environ 3 semaine !! Est-ce qu’il y a un woucher de réduction de epropulsion si on appelle de ta part ?🤟🏻
Amitiés et vraiment ton boat est magnifique !!
Malheureusement non, j'ai essayé de négocier ça mais sans succès, essaye quand même de leur écrire en citant ma vidéo
You get your pkg split in two to reduce your chipping cost.
Bonjour Hugo.
Je suis ta chaîne depuis... Le Maxi et pas le début (parce que je suis décidé à faire la classe mini). Honte à moi mais j'ai tout visionné depuis).
Tes vidéos sont vraiment top et ça me permet de continuer à "vivre" Mini pendant que je suis immobilisé (accident de moto = multiples fractures).
Bref. Ce moteur à vraiment l'air au point mais est-ce qu'il est utilisable en course mini ? Est-ce qu'on peut "plomber" la fonction propulsion et ne garder que la fonction hydrogénérateur pour la course ? Parce que ça fait presque doublon avec le watt&sea que tu as installé au début du projet mini. Histoire d'économiser cet hydrogénérateur top mais cher.
Salut Thomas, merde pour l'accident de moto, je m'identifie pas mal...
Pour utiliser le moteur en course... je ne sais pas, c'est une question qu'il faudrait poser à la Classe Mini. C'est effectivement une option à considérer, selon la performance que tu recherches, dans mon cas, le moteur est plus lourd que le watt&sea, donc je privilégie le poids, mais sur un projet avec un bateau plus vieux et moins performance, c'est une idée à creuser ouai
Bon vent
That's the best electric outboard I have seen so far. I am not going to point fingers but those electrics with the high whining sound drive me fucking nuts. The battery life is actually quite impressive for the electric outboard motors I have dealt with, but then it is a battery superior in size to the many electric outboard MOTORS I have played with. Engines burn fuel, motors run on electricity. Overall I am impressed with that electric outboard. In addition you do know, if the thing can charge its own battery, it can charge others aboard as well. just saying,,,,,
What kind of boat is that?
Do you think that epropulsion model is enough for my Columbia 26 MKII?
Merci
Don't know this boat, but the spirit 1.0 evo is the equivalent of a 3hp fuel engine
Question; Greeat future that it can recharge it self, but is it possible to connect the boat to it to charge the batteries of the boat as well? Nice video again!
My thought exactly. It would sure help on those days when Sol is not available.
@@hemeoncn If so, than its an great machine!
I’m sure an electrical engineer type could jury rig it, but for the company to make it easy for cruisers is a super idea and timely
@@mhensen1 I think it’s an question of software, so time will be our friend!
I would expect all you would need to do is measure the output from the unit when charging and find a charge controller that will accept that input voltage to feed your onboard batteries.
That slamming into the waves ... How much slamming can a GRP sailboat take? I heard of people delaminating their bulkheads from the hull because of that. I always cringe when I slam hard into a wave like that. What is your take? Especially in the Med where you can have short and tall waves and confused seas. I'm really curious. How often does this happen on a racer in a big storm like you had in the Antarctic Ocean? How dangerous can it get for the boat?
Well, it's a fine line between too much slamming and going too slow, especially in racing.
On a cruising boat, don't worry about delamination, boats are made strng enough to withstand crashing in docks. Race boats try to save on weight, so its a different story
@@TheSailingFrenchman hey, thanks for the reply!
This outboard is crazy expensive for the power output. Did you pay retail or are you reviewing it for sponsors?
If there was a way to stick the battery under deck and extend a power lead to the motor, in addition to also being able to mount it as part of the outboard, that would provide great flexibility. Such a battery could also be your house bank that charges also from solar. And no maintenance. :)
Yep, Epropulsion offers this option, for me it wasn't adapted, but have a look at their website for more details
Bonjour! J’hésite à faire l’acquisition de moteur. Quels sont les retours après une utilisation prolongée? Je pense par exemple à la longévité de la batterie. Pouvez vous nous raconter vos expériences avec ce moteur?
Merci d’avance!
Sur l'année d'utilisation, pas de baisse notable de l'efficacité de la batterie.
Great review thank you!! 😊 I have a 24ft semi displacement motor sailer at about 1.5 tonnes. I wonder if the Spirit 1.0 Evo would have enough torque to get in and out of the harbor and cruise around the bay (inlet)? I have a 8hp Diesel Engine built in but am looking for an auxiliary outboard motor. Any thoughts are welcome :) Thanks again for a great video and review.
Same here. My 22ft keel sailboat is slightly lighter 1.3 tonnes, but I use a 9.9 four stroke engine, which is quite heavy. I just bought a used Spirit 1.0 to test if it's good enough for getting me on the lake and see if gives enough speed to keep up with traffic on some channels. I'll keep you posted.
Did u guys manage to make it work with the Spirit 1.0 Evo? Planning to use this on a 24ft
@@pinye. works well on a 1.6t 24ft sailboat for in and out of the harbor in good conditions. Tried against strong currents and head on 40km/h winds and had to turn the diesel engine on. But otherwise perfect for calmer conditions :)
It would be good if you could have the battery remote.
Looked a danger of dropping it in the water when leaning over the stern.
Yeah, epropulsion has this option, I already have batteries so in my case it wasn't interesting, but they thought the whole system through
Just seen elsewhere that they are both waterproof and float. Torpedo ones don’t float!,
Thanks Hugo, the new motor sounds great look forward to your future review when its been working a while. Not sure if I missed it but any idea of what it costs?
Nope. it's on their website :)
This seems like a great motor for cruising my small trimaran and the first one with a functional self charging system. Great! How much does the motor slow the boat down while charging?
Drag really depends on the boat, on a planning hull like mine, it's around 1kt between 2 and 4 kts boat speed, then 0.5kt between 5 and 7kts, then no more loss. I'd assume it's around the same figures on a light tri
@@TheSailingFrenchman Thanks!
Just the kind of answer I was looking for :-)
Could you make the music louder please, old man talking! ;-) Does the emotor double as an electric shaver?
Definitely needs a high thrust propeller...as do most outboards.
Perhaps a different prop is needed for effective hydro generation
True, good point
it appears that the prop is partially out of the water or is the motor then lowered into water?
Only when the motor craddle is in the "up position", look more into the video and you'll see in down position
Tu as bien galéré avec tes moteurs en général pas que ces derniers temps lol 😂
J'avoue haha
would be cool if you there was also a socket on the engine where you could plug and charge other appliances
There is this option on other models I think :)
Hi is this a sponsored video? Just wondered why the link you posted has your name in it? It says "referral&" when I open the link
Perhaps some lines tied to the propulsion and battery units. Keep em out of Davie Jones locker, hey?
the battery unit floats
💙💙💙💙💙💙
How is it now after 1 year, what failed you?
Nothing so far (only used it one year, now I don't have a boat to put it on.... yet :)
Would be more interesting to learn more about what your “training” involves. Also some perspectives on the sponsor search - how do you do this, what are sponsors looking for, which companies to target, how to approach them etc etc.
Hugo, I’ve been watching your videos and vicariously living you experiences. I’ve been racing sailboats for the past 50 years; one designs and offshore. You are doing the things I wished I could have done. I would be happy to help with some of your expenses, but I am not very fluent with channels of forwarding funds. What is the easiest way for me to help you with financing?
Paul Guidi
PS good luck
Hey Paul, glad you like the videos, sharing the videos is already a great way to help me. For more, here is a paypal link to a money pot in case you want to give a hand to my mini project :) paypal.me/pools/c/8syrTNvV1y
Thanks a lot
I wasn't sure whether I wanted to watch this video or not as I'm going full electric .... please tell me it survived!
It did ;)
Great with the new regeneration!
We built a daysailer also equipped with a spirit 1.0, a tip is to use E-Ps extension cable so you can have the battery inside the cockpit and don’t need to huzzle with it outside the boat in waves!
Interested to know the figures on recharging.
Start at 80% charge, 10 mins under power, how long does it take to charge back up to 80% at 6knots.
How much speed do you lose with it in the water and charging vrs not in the water?
10min of use > one hour of recharge to compensate the use at around 6kts
Drag really depends on the boat, on a planning hull like mine, it's around 0.8kt below 7kts, then no more loss. On a displacement hull, drag is barely noticeable
6 miie range
Does the electric outboard still work today?
Yup
I have the impression the engine's battery sooner or later will end up in the bottom of the ocean. It should have some type of safety connector or something in case you trip while you are removing it or something of that sort.
The battery floats
This battery floats.
more pitch to the prop means that the regen wont work at slower speeds. more speed means more power so its range drops. it might be worth it for some people though
yep, relly true, might be the reason
Not an engineer, but I would guess the reason for the pitch in the blades is less to do with making the boat go faster, but to increase the rate the battery recharges while under sail. Adjusting the pitch to increase boat speed will slow the rate the battery recharged.
Could they build a prop that changes between the two states? Propulsion vs charging?
Probably
However
Added complexity will decrease reliability
One could have a separate generator, like the old log line trailed behind. That way no need for compromise on the props. But then surely someone has thought of that?
yesx it dise
0:03 - TENET
I had not noticed, but now you told me, I cannot unsee it haha
I like the idea of an electric. Looks to be quite useful for that application. Didn't much care for the price though when I looked it up. Stuff like that is why I'm not on board the "green train" that everyone's pushing so hard for. That aside from the fact that under current tech, getting the power for it isn't green at all.
The Green Train may be the last train... You are either in, or you're in the way! Regenerate under sail or anchored in a tidal race,river mouth?
"manual says you should charge [the battery] for at least" ... ... "4 seconds".
0:04 TENET xDD
Man, now you told me I cannot unsee it haha
I need to brush up on my French to get the details, I guess. :)
Or you can turn on the subtitles ;)
English and french subtitles available for EVERY vlog, tutorial on how to turn them on in the video description
@@TheSailingFrenchman Thanks. Your summary at the end was great, so I think this is on my shortlist.
Helo! On the one hand you pilot a sailboat that is naturally powered by wind and now you even bought an electric motor. On the other hand, you have a diesel van with a very polluting engine and as it has a malfunction it still pollutes the atmosphere much more.
Don't you think it's too inconsistent from you?
Here is another question to add in the mix. What has the higher cost on the environment: carry on using a van that is a little bit more polluting that newer versions? Or buy a new van, which has more than 3000 parts, all made in different countries, which each part had to travel thousands of miles in container ships, plane, trucks, and not to talk about raw materials...
I think my good old van is still greener ;)
Hello jeune homme, il serait judicieux d'assurer la batterie avec un bout quand tu la remonte ou la descend sur le moteur ... Un accident est vite arrivé ... Bonne continuation et bon vent.
c'est l'avantage d'une batterie qui flotte
Electric motors are motors. Internal combustion engines are engines
Noted
@@TheSailingFrenchman although engines are also referred to as motors. Lol. Clear as mud?