same here dude, I think these things are just going to explode with popularity in the next 5 years. something with this performance at 1k flat would be insane.
@ I think the p2 at 1500 to your door is the crossover point. It’s good enough* performance for most people and that’s the cost of something like a mid tier AR. Hopefully there’s some decent thermals in that price range in that 2-3 year span as well.
If the performance can go up only 10% (both sensitivity and latency) battery life doubles, and if we get fusion with IR, then analog night vision will be obsolete! This will also mean that when the PLA starts distributing that tech to its soldiers, they will outclass US soldiers in night vision. (Until the US follows suit.)
@@James-C24 thank you! I feel like reviews on digital nightvision are so polarizing right now so I’m doing my best to bring quality bias free reviews to the internet. I’m glad you like them!
With the OLED screen it should be entirely possible to mimic the "depth" of analog since each individual pixel has independent brightness control from the board. running a psuedo-HDR mode would likely alleviate the issue. However, its almost certain that the chip in the G14SE isn't quite up to snuff to run that kind of software on the fly, at least not anywhere near 100fps. I also don't know how they would fit more controls for the contrast, NITS floor/ceiling ect. without impeding the great form factor of the device. battery impact would likely be negligible with the savings from dimmed/disabled pixels. with my ramblings out of the way, thanks for the video!
It’s definitely possible, but I think that’s going to take a bit. I enjoy the tang and technical decision tho! More info is never a bad thing. I’m glad you liked the video thank you!
An HDR mode increases latency because it requires more processing. Best thing to hope for is a sensor that comes with more dynamic range. the G14P2 has a larger sensor and a little better dynamic range. This is achievable by increasing the sensor size which in turn increases pixel size giving you extra dynamic range performance but keeping the same technology.
Here's my 2 cents, it shouldn't cost more than $800 tops. If companies like AGM/Pulsar and others can slam together rifle scopes that has 100x more features and cost $800-$1,000 there is no reason why this single function device can't cost $800 or less. Total build cost likely doesn't exceed $250.00 for that thing, way too much profit being made, too many greedy hands in the mix.
From my understanding, AGM/Pulsar units perform not nearly as well as this and they have insanely high lag. I have talked to people that have direct contact with ADNV engineers and it seems the $1300 price tag is semi justified. The cmos sensors in these are completely proprietary.
You're delusional. AGM or Pulsar make trash digital night vision devices that rely on IR for performance. I wouldn't even use their analog options for that matter. The better the performance the higher the cost. Look at the X27 which competes with Filmless L3 tubes but costs 25,000$.
Hey man, love the video, great quality, very good structure, delivery, thorough testing. One thing I didn't appreciate was including the iphone lidar stuff, you could have taped something over the emitter, it felt like it was also contributing to the light of the scene when you shot the g14 footage with it on. Keep at it, great video
Thanks man! I really appreciate the feedback. I will start taping my LiDAR sensor for future videos. I totally agree though, it definitely gives an unrealistic view when LiDAR is blasting in the background, especially to those more sensitive digital and gen2+ devices.
Another great video. Thank you for keeping us up to date on these advances. Can’t wait till prices drop on this tech as faster and better stuff comes out. I have a pvs14 and a NVG30. Both excellent units for what they are, would love to bridge them together and see if that is workable.
Thank you! I appreciate it. Once these get to around 1k a pop they are going to be an amazing option. I have a pvs14 and NvG30 as well and they are probably my favorite dollar to performance options right now. I actually made a video about me bridging my NVG30 with my analog device! Check it out on my channel
Great video!! I just sold your “Bushnell XX-2015” XD-4 Photonis tubes Brother/Sister that I had for about 2 years and used and actually loved but needed the money! It was an excellent tube! You did a fantastic job on making this video man, I have got to say that you are very insightful in the specifics you mention, and the way you are filming them and mentioning all the details is very appreciated !! All in all bravo and well done sir!! And that digital device does seem to be promising, the one thing I have noticed that is my personal main issue with a digital device especially something that you’re going to be moving around it night in the dark with versus a monocular or binocular night vision device with a traditional analog tube, is that for me personally …. maybe it’s just me tripping out, but when I am looking through an analog Monocular ( even a monocular, which shouldn’t seem this way so maybe I am trippin?$) Is that along with the very disorienting lag time that exists between your movements and the image you see, is the flatness of the screen… like when I am looking through my *(Badly Blemmed/ somewhat damaged, I am amazed it works at all tbh)Omni seven tube. I literally feel even though it’s just an ocular as if I have some sense of depth through it somehow…. Which is kind of crazy because I do realize it for you to have depth perception in reality, both eyes are required… However I must say that with a real analog tube ( even a cheapo Russian Gen 1 tube!) I get a sense of depth, and reality that I don’t feel or experience when I am looking through a digital device, which seems like what it is… a tiny little flat screen TV right dead infront of your eyeball with a low light camera stuck on the front of it and some sort of 940nm IR illuminator ( usually)! I wonder if anyone else who has used both in monocukar form gets at least a “sense” of depth from the tube( regardless of it being a mono) as opposed to digital? I have even driven a car with all the running lights and headlights out with a helmet mounted Mono going about 20-35 mph on a windy little mountain road here in Weatern NC in the mountains, and while that wasn’t the best idea…. Think I my about attempting the same thing while wearing a digital Mono gives me a panic attack almost lol!!! Anyways, once again, fantastic video and presentation!! And I applaud your work ethic and attention to detail and thoroughness with your reviews and the quality of the Videos you shot, and the fact you told those of us who have never seen the fact that there are flashing IR Illuminators on the front of every single smart phone there is for some reason….( NV owners/users will know exactly what I am talking about, there’s only one reason they include an “Undisclosed” battery-friendly flashing IR illuminator on the front of every single smart phone that exists, and that’s seeing your pretty face looking at the screen as you do whatever got THE WRONG kind of ATTENTION!! lol… if ya get my drift) anyways … sorry I just wanted to mention that fact since most folks don’t realize thier phone is totally able and probably taking photos and videos of thier face in the pitch dark without them knowing it. lol.. anyways. You rock my dude! keep up the great and above and beyond work my friend! I will share this video with friends! I wish you the best young man! If I was your dad I would feel extremly proud of you, not to be weird! But you seem like a really good dude and you work hard and smartly as well. And your doing a good thing and it makes me feel better about the messed up world we live in that there are younger men that still know how to work hard and feel like doing thier best at what they do is important and necessary! Well done sir,and I wish you success and a bright bright future!!!
I absolutely love comments like this! Thank you so much for your kind words and support it truly means so much. The world has definitely gotten pretty messed up in the last few years but I think there is nothing better to do than provide a good work ethic, love and care about everyone and provide important information to the masses. Those XX2015 tubes are fantastic for the price! It’s always to cool to hear about other people’s xx2015 tubes as they seem to appear from no where. I’m gearing up to sell mine in just a bit to fund the purchase of my OMNI8 PVS14. Dollar to performance though, it’s going to be hard to beat it haha. I just want some more SNR and gain. As for depth perception, I agree with you and have experienced very similar effects. With clean glass and a bit of moon, with my analog monoculars I will get a sense of depth. While this actually did occur occasionally with the ADNV device, that occurred far less often than analog devices. As for lag, the G14SE has pretty much non existent lag. Less than 10 m/s is insane, that’s 1/100 of a second and in my experience not really noticeable. I did do a bit of driving with the ADNV, performance and lag wise it felt fine, but the lens flair from the dash made it dangerous and I would never do it on a public road or on public land. Once again i truly appreciate your comment and nothing about that was weird at all. I love knowing that my attention to detail was sufficient and I helped someone out. Thank you! ES
awesome vid. I know in the back of my mind that digital will (and thermal has) surpassed analog nv performance wise, but in my heart I will always stick with analog tubes.
I liked your review and not only did l "like" it but subscribed. So I use a pvs-14 and have 2 pvs-7s. (One 2nd Gen the other gen3) But I use the 14 and want to get a small mountable thermal scope for use with a panobridge or the like. I was kind of hoping you could do the same sort of video with some different options at varied price points. Well, again thank you for these efforts to educate "our" boys. Well done.
Thanks for the subscribe dude! thermal bridging is super neat and I love the pano bridge system. If more really completive bridgeable thermals start popping up at a good price i would love to make a video on it. Right now MWNVGhas a good deal on the Pfalcon640, (code: thanksgivingES) but those are still a little expensive. Awesome thermals when considering all around performance and capability (bridging/clip on/helmet mount/dedicated WS) though.
@@extrudedshoots thank you, I still owe myself a Christmas present. Are you saying it comes with a panobridge? Only problem I can see is I'd have to get Moore hardware because I have Bayonet mounting and never bothered with an upgrade
@ treat yourself! Pfalcons are amazing and currently the absolute best for the price in my opinion. the pfalcon comes with a helmet mount, but not a bridge mount. A bridge would have to be purchased separately, but there are plenty of good compatible mounts on the market.
3:05 I LOVE how the 3dprinted designer of that device CLEARLY labeled the battery port with the battery type so theres no confusion at all. Theres probably some stupid regulatory or dumb corporate or marketing reason normal manufacturers of devices cant just add a big giant battery type label on there :D
Great content! I would love to see if you can get your hands on the HRS-31s to get a comparison with those as well. They also have an option for thermal imaging on the go with an upgrade pack or straight from High Ready Systems.
Okay the recorder box is indeed weird. The lens flare is something I also noticed with other cameras that don't have an IR filter; Light sources of all kinds tend to bloom like that. But damn the performance of that thing looks great!
I agree, the lens flare is a bit of a headache, but I was impressed with the overall performance too! I think the lens flair is a property of how flat the glass is with the walls of the lens housing if that makes sense.
You mentioned ADNV is making more devices with better AR coatings, should I hold off buying a g14se or g14p2 to get the upgraded versions later? Or is it not actually that big of a deal?
I'm going on vacation in Chyna around christmastime and may be able to buy direct there, and bring a device back in my carry-on. If they don't release a p3 by then I may just have to grab a p2. I have a feeling a killflash may be able to solve the glare if it can only be seen from light just outside the fov. May have to print one myself.
Kind of agreed to a certain extent, I’m not sure if you made it to the price discussion part of the video, but I heavily talk about this vs the price point of used Omni 6-8
For raw performance sure, but there are other benefits to digital; 1. More resilient, 2. Easier to record from, 3. Able to be updated with firmware down the line
@@cxsey8587 There are other aspects to performance. Swapping a battery every hour or two means carrying more batteries, which really start to offset your weight advantage in the very negative. You can carry three CR123s and expect to run your analog tube eight hours a night for two weeks or so, but for the same time period a digital device will probably need upwards of fifty batteries. That's over two pounds of batteries to lug around before you power any other devices you need, like optics, LAMs, thermals, and radios. I don't see the need to update firmware on an analog device ever, though if your priority is to record from your NV device rather than see through it I'd definitely agree. Overall, I think digital devices will be very impressive in a decade or so, and the ability to see color will be very nice. Right now, and at that price point? Pretty iffy unless you really just want a nighttime gopro to play with.
I thank you for your geat job and video. I would have liked more side by side comparison with nvg30. By the way there a new competitor NVG50 (not nvg30 with wide angle optic). How knows may be you'll test it too. I agree with you about the opsin. It may have the clearer and wide image of all but the mounting the proprietary battery pack make it finally unpleasant to use (I have one and I told Sionyx what I thought) So this G14se seems much better than nvg30 but more than twice the price and ok the godd ol' pvs14 bridge is included. I'll keep it in mind. Thank you again
thanks! im glad people like it, I put a lot of work into this one. opsin is really cool and I loved the color mode on the opsin i got to borrow, its just clunky. g14se is WAY better than NVG30, just 3 times the price at least. its cool tech for sure.
do you still get that bezel less feel. that's one thing that i've never heard people talk about when comparing digital to analog but was so evident when I finally tried a pvs14. the nvg30 feels like i have that eye closed but I can see a screen, kinda feels like playing a videogame, the pvs14 felt like it was just my normal vision except somewhere in my normal vision there was a floating ring that's green and way brighter. does this also have that feel where it just looks like a ring or square in your normal vision or does this still feel like you're trading your normal vision for a screen?
It’s kind of a mix of both. It’s the best “feeling” digital system I have used, but it’s still doesn’t quite feel like that magical floating green circle of vision that analogs have. You can get that mixed monocular depth perception if you know what I’m talking about , but still does not feel as fluid and instantaneous as analog. I hope that answers your question, if it doesn’t I can try to re word it to make more sense.
@ yeah i think it does! I have always heard about how difficult and how much of an adjustment nods are (when talking about analog), and I have a nvg30 and I’d agreed so far, the delay, the noise, the screen etc is an adjustment for sure. But recently I tried on a pvs14 and all of that went out the window, maybe it’s cause I’m so used to the burden of the nvg30 that the pvs14 was exactly what you said “a magical floating green circle of vision”, just through magic part of my normal vision was now bright. Everything that was hard with the nvg30 become borderline a non issue with the pvs14. Did you feel like that same experience would be had going drom the nvg30 to this adnv? and how much of a gap between this and the pvs14 would you say there is?
It's like that budget FLIR stuff, thermal on the cheap, but where you're shooting is where it was 18 seconds ago. :( Although for a price of nearly $2K if it isn't competitive ... yeah, just wow. You could build your own analog for that price, with an okay tube in it.
I heavily prefer analog, and yes at this price analog is an option. I will recommend analog over this device 100% of the time. I will say the lag is nearly un noticeable. At 15ms it’s incredible for digital. This is not yet a competitive option, but it’s a cool advancement in digital technology. And in response to your other comment, I have talked to chinese people that have had direct contact with the ADNV team, goodnight gear is buying these at around 1200-1300 shipped per unit. Profit margins are high, but not much more than the rest of the analog nightvision industry Thanks and looking forward to your response, ES
Very good review, I really liked the comparison, advantages and disadvantages. I think that in my case, being a foreigner from the US, my options for obtaining night vision glasses are limited to digital technology. What model of recorder do you use for the video? Where can I get one?
I like the adnv but ill wait and see for the color version. As for NVGs i honestly haven't found a reason to replace my NVG30s. The color NV is pretty dope and my pvs14 G2 is nearly identical to the NVG30.
These cost half of a decent gen-3 pvs-14, small and light. First set of digital NV's that got me looking at my bank account. That being said, how do gen 2+ tubes compare to gen 3?
Eh if you know where to look, these can cost as much as used mil contract gen 3 pvs14. They are enticing tho haha. Gen 3 is much better than the gen 2 tube I used in the video.
Hey dude, What is your opinion of the BNVD51's from Armasight? and what tubes do they use? I have heard that they use the same tubes as a pvs 14, but I'm not sure. I have been seriously considering getting digital nightvision but I think I'm gonna go with the bnvd51's. Thanks man, really displayed the digital stuff well. Cleared up alot of things for me.
The content of the video was good. Informative, separate sections for actual use footage, objective facts, and subjective opinions. Notes: you can absolutely get all the same information across in half the time. You could edit this down from 38 minutes 19 at most, probably closer to 13-15 minutes. Voiceover is the obvious solution to the time problem. People don’t like 40 minute RUclips videos. 19 minutes, while long, a lot more people will click on and watch especially if they’re interested in buying the thing your video is about. Use the footage with text labels in-video that denote which device the foootage is from, but as the footage is playing use the audio from the second half of the video as a voiceover instead of just the audio of you breathing. That alone will cut the video in half. Also, any time you go back and splice in something “from the future” it’s literally always better to record it again in one take. The video is just you talking in a room, there’s absolutely no reason you couldn’t record it again. This is significantly easier because you don’t need to do it in one take when doing voiceover or at least cutting between you talking and first person/b-roll/action shots instead of having video of yourself for the whole time you’re talking as well. Which gets to my next point, the talking. You repeated yourself a lot, sometimes saying the same things 5 or 6 times. Write a script, with everything you want to say, make it more concise and less repetitive. Think of it like an essay, how you would structure it with an intro, then specs/stats and facts, your opinions, and then final thoughts. Anyway, I hope this helps and you take constructive criticism well, because the substantive content is actually good. Cheers
I appreciate the feedback. funny enough, the original full version of this video was well over an hour. at some point ill do a complete voice over video with scripted opinions, but until this becomes my full time job I dont think I can do it as its very time consuming. In the future, I will definitely work towards more scripts and such. before i can do this full time, we may have to compromise with a scripted TLDR section on the opinions, and a seprate "b channel" upload with my rant. Thank you! I truly appreciate both the praise and criticism. I will work on it because i agree, I could make the opinions section better.
I really want to get a few digi sets just for dinking around with. duals or quads would be super cheap with digi compared to my analog monocular, though I know my mono has darn good performance for the 800$ I spent on the tube.
The specific use case for this device is simple: if you want actual night vision and you want to record a lot of video. It is not as good as good analog, but recording video on analog is both substantial additional cost and a pain.
That is the one win for digital NV currently in my opinion. The recording on the opsin and this is pretty cool. Apparently an update is coming soon to fix the recorder.
Where is the used market? What platforms or sites? Would like to sell off my digital nv and thermal to put towards analogue bino but I'm not sure where to go. Have zero social media presence for reference.
The G14SE does nearly all of what a gen 2 nod can do, but the cost is too close. There's something called the Pareto Principle, the 80/20 rule. 80% of a result comes from 20% of the effort to achieve that result. With DNV, is there a device that provides 80% of what ANV can do, but at a cost that is closer to 20%? The NVG30 price is a bit more than 20% of a used gen 2 nod, so possibly that? Anyway I look forward to that budget guide video. I really want that 80/20 device, that will be the everyman's nvg.
Agreed. These are very very close to being an amazing option. But right now, just a really cool novelty that can perform quite well. I think as these get cheaper that’s when the digital NV revolution is going to occur. Agreed on the NVG30 part aswell, that is a fantastic per dollar performance device. I’m glad you made it to the point in the video where I talk about the whole budget guide idea. I’m really excited to make that video!
in my experience with my Jerry-14 gen2+ (FOM 1500ish), the image you see by eye is of very significantly higher quality than any recording I have managed to get with any camera, and I have tried many. How does that factor in in your opinion? how would you describe the difference when looking through it as opposed to the recordings shown?
I would agree. Only exception to that is if you know how to set your manual gain right and match it with your camera exposure. Despite that though, I still consider the two devices I showed very close in performance
im not sure if that will ever happen. the lag on this device is pretty much none and it still feels kind of screen-ee. now dont get me wrong, this is the absolute best feeling digital NV I have ever used, but the magic floating circle analog effect is not quite there.
Digital is getting there but not quite there yet I think vs the gen 2 the black and white would be easier to make out targets in my opinion. Couple more years and I think we will be talking gen 3 levels of quality
I agree, the contrast of black and white is nice. This is the budget version of ADNVs flag ship model, the G14P2, allegedly, the P2 has comparable performance to a gen 3 Omni 7 or 8. Thanks for the comment and I’m glad you like the content!
So these do not rely on an IR illuminator, and are truly a sensor driven night vision system? Meaning they don't give off an IR signature to others wearing NV? New to the world of digital NV.
I'm put in such a dilemma... Having to choose between Gen 2+ WP Armasight Sirius QSi 1400 FOM and the ADNV G14SE. Same price but I would never be able to actually compare the performance unless I buy them both lol. What would you choose?
I’m taking the armasight Sirius all day. Analog tech has this nearly un explainable magic too it that’s just so neat, in all honesty, the two device would probably perform very similar, but the comfort and quality of life on the analog is going to be much better imo. Also a battery that will power the g14 2 hours, will power that device for 60. Also, in my opinion, the resell value of analog tech is much higher than the digital stuff so imo go analog.
@ I really appreciate the response and your input on this. I think I made my decision cuz you are the second person to say pretty much the same things.
havent finished the video yet and am asking because i dont want to forget about this question, is it possible to use the 120hz mode described on the datasheet or no?
On the device I used, only 50 and 100fps options were selectable. Either a 120 fps version is coming soon or a software update can enable it. I’m not to sure tbh.
uhhh here's the thing. Why buy that digital one for $1700 when you could just buy a used analog white phosphor for that much? I just saw a "budget build" on a full set up for $1700, all analog and very good. I get the NVG30, that's $500, less than half the price. what is the point of a digital one that is just as expensive? Is there something that makes this better or is just 'just as good' as stated in the vid? Because if it's just as good as analog, you could totally just buy an analog set up for that price lol. Look at DC's video on 'budget" NVG build they build a white phosphor gen III for $1500. P.s. what you said at the end is what makes RUclips great. Feedback. It keeps it in the interest of the people watching, unlike normal TV. Can't wait to see the budget video you mentioned
Totally agreed. I should have clarified that I was more excited of this device as a technology improvement instead of a device that beat analog. I personally run a omni8 that I got for 1750 from a buddy and I way prefer that over the ADNV. NvG30 is still amazing for the price. Thanks for the input and I love knowing you watched all the way through the video!
2 thoughts 1) At 3700 for a pair, this seems like a great way to get into night vision binoculars 2) Production of digital night vision is inherently more scalable than analog night vision, so I expect the price of these and similar performing digital NVGs to drop *significantly* in the coming years (assuming a certain incoming president doesn't tariff these to fuck).
Personally, with the release of the jerry31, I think these are not as good of an idea for binos. WP gen2+ binos can be bought new for around 3750 when on sale now. For no2 I totally agree. As these get made more I hope the price drops. This at a little under 1k would be amazing.
Still pretty impressive performance! Still short of current production gen 2 tubes. I feel like it's definitely a product that exists to push the tech. Though the technical limitations are pretty clear.
agreed. I feel like this is usable and a great choice for people that are outside the US with not as easy access to cheap NV as us. for the US market, this is 1 or 2 iterations away from being amazing, if they got the price down to 1k flat, this would be a game changer.
All they need to do is utilize a full-frame low megapixel image sensor (large individual pixels for high light collecting ability) like Sony's 12.1 MP sensor used in the A7S III or FX3 cameras for years. Blows any analog out of the water. Go look at the performance of those cameras in low light
I never understand why on earth, these companies keep reinventing the wheel like their NASA - with NASA level engineers. compared to full frames this shit seems like 2008 flipphone images.
Well, from what I can see, changing to that sensor adds about $1700 to the cost of the A7 III, which probably has something to do with it, as well as the image processor on those cameras is quite powerful and still introduces a large amount of lag. Coincidentally, it sucks down power, getting about 90 minutes of recording time out of a 7.2v ~2300 mAh battery, and weighs almost 25 ounces without a lense. Obviously you can probably cut that down to 15 or so by removing most of the camera stuff, but that's still 3 ounces heavier than a PVS-14 and that really matters when it's hanging on your face. The only high framerate footage I've seen from these cameras is done in environments with enough light to autogate gen III tubes, and you get maximum sensitivity at 10 FPS which obviously you aren't moving and shooting at. The amount of light the sensor has to work with is proportional to the aperture of the lens, and these cameras are also usually equipped with huge apertures unsuitable for a helmet mounted night vision device. All in all, if you wanted to use the same sensor you'd probably end up with a huge, heavy device with exceedingly low framerate and response time that doesn't perform nearly as well as the camera version due to needing a smaller objective lens to be reasonable. There's a reason that movie cameras and gopros tend to be very different devices.
FF sensors can't touch analog. I have a Canon R6 which is a match for the Sony A7s II / III, and a mid spec thin filmed gen 3 monocular. Those FF bodies are amazing with a bright moon, and I primarily use the R6 for 4k24 filming under moonlight with f/1.4 lenses. But they don't show nearly as much as gen 3 under clear sky starlight. They are also dead in the water in thick forest starlight conditions and indoors by window starlight, situations where my gen 3 is still going strong. Filming at 60 fps loses a stop of light, and for tactical use people really want 90-100 fps. Things would improve a little bit with a f/0.95 lens and a full spectrum conversion to see near IR, but that would only allow them to operate with less moonlight. They still wouldn't be tactically useful in darker conditions, or able to see at all in the worst conditions. I also have an Aurora and an Aurora Pro (night vision is an addiction) and these FF bodies are about at the level of the Aurora, one stop better if converted for full spectrum. When they have enough light they produce beautiful 4k video, but they just can't gain up when the light disappears. Beyond that there's no way to get the size down to an acceptable level with a FF sensor. You could lose the camera controls and mount the battery on the back of your helmet like the Opsin, but there's no shrinking the lens. Trying to helmet mount a FF f/1.4 lens with a 40° fov would destroy your neck, even worse with a faster lens. There's definitely something to the tech in the SiOnyx and ADNV devices. If the tech were equal a FF sensor would be 3-4 stops brighter than those smaller sensors, but it's only at roughly the level of the original Aurora but with higher resolution. I'm actually surprised at the G14SE because I thought SiOnyx had pushed sensor tech just about to the limit. Looks like there's more on the table, though I wonder if there's enough left without switching to SPAD to match high spec unfilmed gen 3.
@@danieltaylor1522sionyx has sensors that are 2-3 iterations better but they've been told to delay their release indefinitely out of fear of them being reverse engineered
These are the type of threads in my comments that I love to see. I am not an experts in cameras at all, but I assume the reasons they don't use those sensors is input lag and FPS. both of those are crucial in effective NV use. A7S full spectrum cameras are amazing and I would love to get one for the channel, but once again they are expensive and buying a beater PVS14 would be cheaper to some extent.
its a cool step for digital but you can get used analogs for the same price. its nice for sure but idk. guess its just harder for me because i have no real use aside from fun for nvg
agreed. If you really want a new device, this is a great option, but personally, ill take an omni 8 all day. They are super small and cool though so thats a plus at least.
$1300 (from china & 2-4 weeks of shipping is totally fine) means that these could end up like $800 in a few years even $300 in 5-6 years like how bambu 3d printers are so cheap but the best? Were gonna get mind blowing DNVG for a few hundred bucks, and another $300 to add the thermal. its gonna be so cool. just save ur money. but also buy some of these to help economies of scale!
what about motion sickness due to weird FPS. I know people complain about that a lot with other digital NVGs. That is one of the biggest drawbacks for digital NV imo
I didnt have a problem with it. the 100 fps sub 10 MS delay is incredible and very responsive. now it didnt feel quite as fluid as analog, but it was very very comfortable to run and move using/
looks cool i really appreciate its rugged build quality and look but isnt the point of digital nightvision compared to analog is to be on a budget? cause of the build quality and camera quality the price makes sense but honestly thats why god gave us analog id take my 1700 and go get an analog but this is cool too
Yes I agree, the point is to make it cheaper. Knowing how digital tech is made vs analog IITs, digital tech should get cheaper in the next few years while i really dont see the prices of new analog dropping for a while. if i had 1700 i would buy a OMNI7 PVS14, but its just cool that this tech is here and not at opsin prices
Yeah its probably just because the screen is a good bit brighter looking than the analog in the video. For anyone's reference I have an NVG30 and a true Gen2 monocular made with a tube from a US PVS5, they are about equal in preformance
And remember! If you can't afford night vision, just know that trying to see other men in the dark is just gay. So if you are a normal male (not me included, I already bought some) the good old flash light will do! 😉
Altho i do love how shiney that first 3d printed example was, whoever printed it should REALLY get a bambu and learn slicer settings with tree supports to print much better bottom surfaces lol
I’m obsessed with these, I cannot wait to see where the sensors are at in 2-3 yrs. The p2 is pretty crazy.
same here dude, I think these things are just going to explode with popularity in the next 5 years. something with this performance at 1k flat would be insane.
@ I think the p2 at 1500 to your door is the crossover point. It’s good enough* performance for most people and that’s the cost of something like a mid tier AR. Hopefully there’s some decent thermals in that price range in that 2-3 year span as well.
@@cxsey8587 I totally agree. SE at a grand would be amazing aswell
@@extrudedshoots thermals as well, if I could have a 640 thermal and a gen 2+ nvg for under 2500 that would be pretty nuts.
If the performance can go up only 10% (both sensitivity and latency) battery life doubles, and if we get fusion with IR, then analog night vision will be obsolete! This will also mean that when the PLA starts distributing that tech to its soldiers, they will outclass US soldiers in night vision. (Until the US follows suit.)
You can get an omni for $1400 on the socials, occasionally. Great review btw, I am really excited about the future of digital NV.
I personally haven't seen anything past omni 5 that low, but i believe it. omni market is where its at.
Omni what?
@@extrudedshootsI landed a PVS-7 with a crye nightcap and norotos mount for $1500
Its Gen 3 Omni 7
@@sladeoriginal omnivore T-rexes
@@extrudedshoots got an omni 6 for 1900 a few months ago, facebook groups have a lot of decent sales.
Love your videos!! Nice to see people releasing quality content covering the advances in digital night vision!!!
@@James-C24 thank you! I feel like reviews on digital nightvision are so polarizing right now so I’m doing my best to bring quality bias free reviews to the internet. I’m glad you like them!
With the OLED screen it should be entirely possible to mimic the "depth" of analog since each individual pixel has independent brightness control from the board. running a psuedo-HDR mode would likely alleviate the issue. However, its almost certain that the chip in the G14SE isn't quite up to snuff to run that kind of software on the fly, at least not anywhere near 100fps. I also don't know how they would fit more controls for the contrast, NITS floor/ceiling ect. without impeding the great form factor of the device. battery impact would likely be negligible with the savings from dimmed/disabled pixels.
with my ramblings out of the way, thanks for the video!
It’s definitely possible, but I think that’s going to take a bit. I enjoy the tang and technical decision tho! More info is never a bad thing. I’m glad you liked the video thank you!
An HDR mode increases latency because it requires more processing. Best thing to hope for is a sensor that comes with more dynamic range. the G14P2 has a larger sensor and a little better dynamic range. This is achievable by increasing the sensor size which in turn increases pixel size giving you extra dynamic range performance but keeping the same technology.
Here's my 2 cents, it shouldn't cost more than $800 tops. If companies like AGM/Pulsar and others can slam together rifle scopes that has 100x more features and cost $800-$1,000 there is no reason why this single function device can't cost $800 or less. Total build cost likely doesn't exceed $250.00 for that thing, way too much profit being made, too many greedy hands in the mix.
From my understanding, AGM/Pulsar units perform not nearly as well as this and they have insanely high lag. I have talked to people that have direct contact with ADNV engineers and it seems the $1300 price tag is semi justified. The cmos sensors in these are completely proprietary.
I am not saying that 1300 is a good price, I’m just saying the price makes sense all things considered
You're delusional. AGM or Pulsar make trash digital night vision devices that rely on IR for performance. I wouldn't even use their analog options for that matter. The better the performance the higher the cost. Look at the X27 which competes with Filmless L3 tubes but costs 25,000$.
I appreciate you for taking the time and effort
You're welcome for that preformance save
Thanks dude lol. I think I spelled it wrong somewhere in the video but at least the thumbnail is good
Hey man, love the video, great quality, very good structure, delivery, thorough testing. One thing I didn't appreciate was including the iphone lidar stuff, you could have taped something over the emitter, it felt like it was also contributing to the light of the scene when you shot the g14 footage with it on. Keep at it, great video
Thanks man! I really appreciate the feedback. I will start taping my LiDAR sensor for future videos. I totally agree though, it definitely gives an unrealistic view when LiDAR is blasting in the background, especially to those more sensitive digital and gen2+ devices.
Another great video. Thank you for keeping us up to date on these advances. Can’t wait till prices drop on this tech as faster and better stuff comes out.
I have a pvs14 and a NVG30. Both excellent units for what they are, would love to bridge them together and see if that is workable.
Thank you! I appreciate it. Once these get to around 1k a pop they are going to be an amazing option.
I have a pvs14 and NvG30 as well and they are probably my favorite dollar to performance options right now. I actually made a video about me bridging my NVG30 with my analog device! Check it out on my channel
this was a nice video, man! loved how organized it was.
Thanks I really appreciate it! Comments like this make the work worth it.
Just ordered my pair, im excited to use em! Thank you for the videos and keep up the good work my friend!
Sick dude! Let me know how these work as binos dude. Thanks man!
refund it and get an omni 14
Great video!! I just sold your “Bushnell XX-2015” XD-4 Photonis tubes Brother/Sister that I had for about 2 years and used and actually loved but needed the money! It was an excellent tube! You did a fantastic job on making this video man, I have got to say that you are very insightful in the specifics you mention, and the way you are filming them and mentioning all the details is very appreciated !! All in all bravo and well done sir!! And that digital device does seem to be promising, the one thing I have noticed that is my personal main issue with a digital device especially something that you’re going to be moving around it night in the dark with versus a monocular or binocular night vision device with a traditional analog tube, is that for me personally …. maybe it’s just me tripping out, but when I am looking through an analog Monocular ( even a monocular, which shouldn’t seem this way so maybe I am trippin?$) Is that along with the very disorienting lag time that exists between your movements and the image you see, is the flatness of the screen… like when I am looking through my *(Badly Blemmed/ somewhat damaged, I am amazed it works at all tbh)Omni seven tube. I literally feel even though it’s just an ocular as if I have some sense of depth through it somehow…. Which is kind of crazy because I do realize it for you to have depth perception in reality, both eyes are required… However I must say that with a real analog tube ( even a cheapo Russian Gen 1 tube!) I get a sense of depth, and reality that I don’t feel or experience when I am looking through a digital device, which seems like what it is… a tiny little flat screen TV right dead infront of your eyeball with a low light camera stuck on the front of it and some sort of 940nm IR illuminator ( usually)! I wonder if anyone else who has used both in monocukar form gets at least a “sense” of depth from the tube( regardless of it being a mono) as opposed to digital? I have even driven a car with all the running lights and headlights out with a helmet mounted Mono going about 20-35 mph on a windy little mountain road here in Weatern NC in the mountains, and while that wasn’t the best idea…. Think I my about attempting the same thing while wearing a digital Mono gives me a panic attack almost lol!!!
Anyways, once again, fantastic video and presentation!! And I applaud your work ethic and attention to detail and thoroughness with your reviews and the quality of the Videos you shot, and the fact you told those of us who have never seen the fact that there are flashing IR Illuminators on the front of every single smart phone there is for some reason….( NV owners/users will know exactly what I am talking about, there’s only one reason they include an “Undisclosed” battery-friendly flashing IR illuminator on the front of every single smart phone that exists, and that’s seeing your pretty face looking at the screen as you do whatever got THE WRONG kind of ATTENTION!! lol… if ya get my drift) anyways … sorry I just wanted to mention that fact since most folks don’t realize thier phone is totally able and probably taking photos and videos of thier face in the pitch dark without them knowing it. lol.. anyways. You rock my dude! keep up the great and above and beyond work my friend! I will share this video with friends! I wish you the best young man!
If I was your dad I would feel extremly proud of you, not to be weird! But you seem like a really good dude and you work hard and smartly as well. And your doing a good thing and it makes me feel better about the messed up world we live in that there are younger men that still know how to work hard and feel like doing thier best at what they do is important and necessary! Well done sir,and I wish you success and a bright bright future!!!
Huh?
I absolutely love comments like this! Thank you so much for your kind words and support it truly means so much. The world has definitely gotten pretty messed up in the last few years but I think there is nothing better to do than provide a good work ethic, love and care about everyone and provide important information to the masses.
Those XX2015 tubes are fantastic for the price! It’s always to cool to hear about other people’s xx2015 tubes as they seem to appear from no where. I’m gearing up to sell mine in just a bit to fund the purchase of my OMNI8 PVS14. Dollar to performance though, it’s going to be hard to beat it haha. I just want some more SNR and gain.
As for depth perception, I agree with you and have experienced very similar effects. With clean glass and a bit of moon, with my analog monoculars I will get a sense of depth. While this actually did occur occasionally with the ADNV device, that occurred far less often than analog devices. As for lag, the G14SE has pretty much non existent lag. Less than 10 m/s is insane, that’s 1/100 of a second and in my experience not really noticeable. I did do a bit of driving with the ADNV, performance and lag wise it felt fine, but the lens flair from the dash made it dangerous and I would never do it on a public road or on public land.
Once again i truly appreciate your comment and nothing about that was weird at all. I love knowing that my attention to detail was sufficient and I helped someone out.
Thank you!
ES
wake up babe extruded just dropped new vid
And a actually good video this time
Extruded uploaded hell yeah we ballin
Extruded lol
Outro goes hard af
I’m glad you saw it. Those are fun to edit together but no one talks about them so I appreciate the comment
Nice review and comparison, thank you!
Glad you liked it! Thank you!
awesome vid. I know in the back of my mind that digital will (and thermal has) surpassed analog nv performance wise, but in my heart I will always stick with analog tubes.
Analog is truly magic. Thank you!
Great review of this product and I want the thermal product as super budget firefox 1 maybe update my night vision to update version.
Subbed. Great Commentary and review. I learned alot.
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Good video...would have liked to see the NVG30 in more of the scenes...thank you!
Thanks, I will try to make sure the NVG30 is in more future videos. I do agree though the NVG30 was definitely missing in those scenes
Thanks for another awesome review young man! You ever get to Denver, let an old Mormon attorney buy you a beer!
I appreciate it! Just don't tell my bishop so I can keep my recommend current
I liked your review and not only did l "like" it but subscribed. So I use a pvs-14 and have 2 pvs-7s. (One 2nd Gen the other gen3) But I use the 14 and want to get a small mountable thermal scope for use with a panobridge or the like.
I was kind of hoping you could do the same sort of video with some different options at varied price points.
Well, again thank you for these efforts to educate "our" boys. Well done.
Nevermind. I found the video I described, from 6 months ago. Thanks
Thanks for the subscribe dude! thermal bridging is super neat and I love the pano bridge system. If more really completive bridgeable thermals start popping up at a good price i would love to make a video on it. Right now MWNVGhas a good deal on the Pfalcon640, (code: thanksgivingES) but those are still a little expensive. Awesome thermals when considering all around performance and capability (bridging/clip on/helmet mount/dedicated WS) though.
@@extrudedshoots thank you, I still owe myself a Christmas present. Are you saying it comes with a panobridge? Only problem I can see is I'd have to get Moore hardware because I have Bayonet mounting and never bothered with an upgrade
@ treat yourself! Pfalcons are amazing and currently the absolute best for the price in my opinion. the pfalcon comes with a helmet mount, but not a bridge mount. A bridge would have to be purchased separately, but there are plenty of good compatible mounts on the market.
3:05 I LOVE how the 3dprinted designer of that device CLEARLY labeled the battery port with the battery type so theres no confusion at all. Theres probably some stupid regulatory or dumb corporate or marketing reason normal manufacturers of devices cant just add a big giant battery type label on there :D
6:55 wow it sees stars nicely
Please do make a buyers guide. I am in the market for a decent analog device but am unsure where to start. Definitely, subbing in hopes of that video
thank you! it will be a series and probably take a minute to come out, but it will hopefully be pretty quality
Great content! I would love to see if you can get your hands on the HRS-31s to get a comparison with those as well. They also have an option for thermal imaging on the go with an upgrade pack or straight from High Ready Systems.
Those seem neat! I might hit them up for a pair for testing. Thanks!
Very informative thank you! Now I need to go find the discord and Reddit
The external recording is a major plus if you want to combine its image with sensors in other wavelengths.
i guess so, but the external rcorder would need another rework. I think the system just needs to be contained
Hey that unit looks pretty good!
It really is incredible, I’m amazed by what they are doing with digital right now
Good review.
7:11 Photonis tubes have a spectral sensitivity of 380 (or even below) up to 1100. No idea where you found the 440nm measurement from.
Okay the recorder box is indeed weird. The lens flare is something I also noticed with other cameras that don't have an IR filter; Light sources of all kinds tend to bloom like that.
But damn the performance of that thing looks great!
I agree, the lens flare is a bit of a headache, but I was impressed with the overall performance too! I think the lens flair is a property of how flat the glass is with the walls of the lens housing if that makes sense.
This is quite impressive. Im curious about the vertical mounting, and using them as weak side monicle while aiming on strong side.
You mentioned ADNV is making more devices with better AR coatings, should I hold off buying a g14se or g14p2 to get the upgraded versions later? Or is it not actually that big of a deal?
If you are not in a major rush to grab a device, I personally would. I wish I had a better time frame of when the new stuff is coming out.
I'm going on vacation in Chyna around christmastime and may be able to buy direct there, and bring a device back in my carry-on. If they don't release a p3 by then I may just have to grab a p2. I have a feeling a killflash may be able to solve the glare if it can only be seen from light just outside the fov. May have to print one myself.
@@J童customs might be fun
@@krisrhebergenHope not. It's just a camera after all😂
Apparently, they should also release a color version. So, expect something that competes with Opsin.
Thanks dude
Thanks dude!
Honestly the best use case I can see for this type of device is for taking a trip outside of the US and not having to worry about ITAR
valid point, I do enjoy traveling with NV. its also so tiny this would be really easy to just throw in a bag
Not worth the money at all. You can get omni v tubes for the same money nowadays.
Kind of agreed to a certain extent, I’m not sure if you made it to the price discussion part of the video, but I heavily talk about this vs the price point of used Omni 6-8
Each year that passes digital becomes better and cheaper.
For raw performance sure, but there are other benefits to digital; 1. More resilient, 2. Easier to record from, 3. Able to be updated with firmware down the line
@@cxsey8587 There are other aspects to performance. Swapping a battery every hour or two means carrying more batteries, which really start to offset your weight advantage in the very negative. You can carry three CR123s and expect to run your analog tube eight hours a night for two weeks or so, but for the same time period a digital device will probably need upwards of fifty batteries. That's over two pounds of batteries to lug around before you power any other devices you need, like optics, LAMs, thermals, and radios.
I don't see the need to update firmware on an analog device ever, though if your priority is to record from your NV device rather than see through it I'd definitely agree. Overall, I think digital devices will be very impressive in a decade or so, and the ability to see color will be very nice. Right now, and at that price point? Pretty iffy unless you really just want a nighttime gopro to play with.
100% spot on.
Digital “Nightvision” is a gimmick, a cope toy marketed to the same type of people who think steel targets are legitimate body armor.
I thank you for your geat job and video. I would have liked more side by side comparison with nvg30. By the way there a new competitor NVG50 (not nvg30 with wide angle optic). How knows may be you'll test it too.
I agree with you about the opsin. It may have the clearer and wide image of all but the mounting the proprietary battery pack make it finally unpleasant to use (I have one and I told Sionyx what I thought)
So this G14se seems much better than nvg30 but more than twice the price and ok the godd ol' pvs14 bridge is included. I'll keep it in mind. Thank you again
thanks! im glad people like it, I put a lot of work into this one. opsin is really cool and I loved the color mode on the opsin i got to borrow, its just clunky. g14se is WAY better than NVG30, just 3 times the price at least. its cool tech for sure.
I hope in the future there will be some sort of Ai processing to reduce noise.
do you still get that bezel less feel. that's one thing that i've never heard people talk about when comparing digital to analog but was so evident when I finally tried a pvs14. the nvg30 feels like i have that eye closed but I can see a screen, kinda feels like playing a videogame, the pvs14 felt like it was just my normal vision except somewhere in my normal vision there was a floating ring that's green and way brighter. does this also have that feel where it just looks like a ring or square in your normal vision or does this still feel like you're trading your normal vision for a screen?
It’s kind of a mix of both. It’s the best “feeling” digital system I have used, but it’s still doesn’t quite feel like that magical floating green circle of vision that analogs have.
You can get that mixed monocular depth perception if you know what I’m talking about , but still does not feel as fluid and instantaneous as analog. I hope that answers your question, if it doesn’t I can try to re word it to make more sense.
@ yeah i think it does! I have always heard about how difficult and how much of an adjustment nods are (when talking about analog), and I have a nvg30 and I’d agreed so far, the delay, the noise, the screen etc is an adjustment for sure. But recently I tried on a pvs14 and all of that went out the window, maybe it’s cause I’m so used to the burden of the nvg30 that the pvs14 was exactly what you said “a magical floating green circle of vision”, just through magic part of my normal vision was now bright. Everything that was hard with the nvg30 become borderline a non issue with the pvs14.
Did you feel like that same experience would be had going drom the nvg30 to this adnv? and how much of a gap between this and the pvs14 would you say there is?
Floating circle of vision is my new way to describe analog nv 😂
How does the ADNV's IR Signature look from Analog Gen2+ in passive (non-illuminated) mode?
I think gf20/31 is the future. I really want to play a fusion device .
Agreed. Fusion is so cool
Where are the links to other videos in the description that you promise in the video?
@@daanwolthuis I forgot to do that, it was the NvG30 one right
It's like that budget FLIR stuff, thermal on the cheap, but where you're shooting is where it was 18 seconds ago. :( Although for a price of nearly $2K if it isn't competitive ... yeah, just wow. You could build your own analog for that price, with an okay tube in it.
I heavily prefer analog, and yes at this price analog is an option. I will recommend analog over this device 100% of the time. I will say the lag is nearly un noticeable. At 15ms it’s incredible for digital.
This is not yet a competitive option, but it’s a cool advancement in digital technology.
And in response to your other comment, I have talked to chinese people that have had direct contact with the ADNV team, goodnight gear is buying these at around 1200-1300 shipped per unit. Profit margins are high, but not much more than the rest of the analog nightvision industry
Thanks and looking forward to your response,
ES
What about the nvg50 vs g14se sometime
This sensor in a thermal fusion optic would be good. The digital light amplification should play nice with the digital thermal.
ADNV makes thermal fusion systems using the better version of this sensor. they seem incredible. I would love to play with one.
Very good review, I really liked the comparison, advantages and disadvantages. I think that in my case, being a foreigner from the US, my options for obtaining night vision glasses are limited to digital technology. What model of recorder do you use for the video? Where can I get one?
I have had a lot of difficulty finding gen 2+ tubes for any less than $1500. I feel like I'm looking in all of the wrong places.
reddit (r/gafs r/nightvision) discord, facebook, tacswap. I would start at reddit and ask around.
I like the adnv but ill wait and see for the color version. As for NVGs i honestly haven't found a reason to replace my NVG30s. The color NV is pretty dope and my pvs14 G2 is nearly identical to the NVG30.
Color NV is pretty rad. I love my NVG30. I hope ADNV makes a color version. I would be all over that!
Compared to Gen2 analog?
These cost half of a decent gen-3 pvs-14, small and light. First set of digital NV's that got me looking at my bank account.
That being said, how do gen 2+ tubes compare to gen 3?
Eh if you know where to look, these can cost as much as used mil contract gen 3 pvs14. They are enticing tho haha. Gen 3 is much better than the gen 2 tube I used in the video.
Hey dude, What is your opinion of the BNVD51's from Armasight? and what tubes do they use?
I have heard that they use the same tubes as a pvs 14, but I'm not sure. I have been seriously considering getting digital nightvision
but I think I'm gonna go with the bnvd51's. Thanks man, really displayed the digital stuff well. Cleared up alot of things for me.
The content of the video was good. Informative, separate sections for actual use footage, objective facts, and subjective opinions.
Notes: you can absolutely get all the same information across in half the time. You could edit this down from 38 minutes 19 at most, probably closer to 13-15 minutes.
Voiceover is the obvious solution to the time problem. People don’t like 40 minute RUclips videos. 19 minutes, while long, a lot more people will click on and watch especially if they’re interested in buying the thing your video is about. Use the footage with text labels in-video that denote which device the foootage is from, but as the footage is playing use the audio from the second half of the video as a voiceover instead of just the audio of you breathing. That alone will cut the video in half.
Also, any time you go back and splice in something “from the future” it’s literally always better to record it again in one take. The video is just you talking in a room, there’s absolutely no reason you couldn’t record it again. This is significantly easier because you don’t need to do it in one take when doing voiceover or at least cutting between you talking and first person/b-roll/action shots instead of having video of yourself for the whole time you’re talking as well.
Which gets to my next point, the talking. You repeated yourself a lot, sometimes saying the same things 5 or 6 times. Write a script, with everything you want to say, make it more concise and less repetitive. Think of it like an essay, how you would structure it with an intro, then specs/stats and facts, your opinions, and then final thoughts.
Anyway, I hope this helps and you take constructive criticism well, because the substantive content is actually good. Cheers
I appreciate the feedback.
funny enough, the original full version of this video was well over an hour. at some point ill do a complete voice over video with scripted opinions, but until this becomes my full time job I dont think I can do it as its very time consuming.
In the future, I will definitely work towards more scripts and such. before i can do this full time, we may have to compromise with a scripted TLDR section on the opinions, and a seprate "b channel" upload with my rant.
Thank you! I truly appreciate both the praise and criticism. I will work on it because i agree, I could make the opinions section better.
Would be awesome if it had thermal fusion, just outline or highlights would be perfect
They have an outline fusion version, but it is quite expensive. If I get the chance to review it I will.
I really want to get a few digi sets just for dinking around with. duals or quads would be super cheap with digi compared to my analog monocular, though I know my mono has darn good performance for the 800$ I spent on the tube.
yeah digital is alot of fun when the price is right
The specific use case for this device is simple: if you want actual night vision and you want to record a lot of video. It is not as good as good analog, but recording video on analog is both substantial additional cost and a pain.
That is the one win for digital NV currently in my opinion. The recording on the opsin and this is pretty cool. Apparently an update is coming soon to fix the recorder.
Would adding a polarization filter in front of the lens help with the lens flare?
possibly? im no expert.
Nice to see the tech advance but i don't think we'll really see it get much past a low light recording device like the OpSin
eh with the performance I have seen with the G14P2, I have a feeling ADNV products are going to be a solid contender within the next 5 years
If you look on the used market you can get a Gen 3 Green Phos PVS-14 for around $1500-$2000.
I talk about this in the options section. But yes this is true
Where is the used market? What platforms or sites? Would like to sell off my digital nv and thermal to put towards analogue bino but I'm not sure where to go. Have zero social media presence for reference.
@dantauche7917 unfortunately most of the used market is going to be through social media. Facebook groups for example.
@ gotcha, thanks for the super quick reply! Any groups you could recommend for me to look into?
@@dantauche7917Night Vision Devices out of Pennsylvania is a good place to check.
The G14SE does nearly all of what a gen 2 nod can do, but the cost is too close. There's something called the Pareto Principle, the 80/20 rule. 80% of a result comes from 20% of the effort to achieve that result. With DNV, is there a device that provides 80% of what ANV can do, but at a cost that is closer to 20%? The NVG30 price is a bit more than 20% of a used gen 2 nod, so possibly that?
Anyway I look forward to that budget guide video. I really want that 80/20 device, that will be the everyman's nvg.
Agreed. These are very very close to being an amazing option. But right now, just a really cool novelty that can perform quite well. I think as these get cheaper that’s when the digital NV revolution is going to occur.
Agreed on the NVG30 part aswell, that is a fantastic per dollar performance device.
I’m glad you made it to the point in the video where I talk about the whole budget guide idea. I’m really excited to make that video!
in my experience with my Jerry-14 gen2+ (FOM 1500ish), the image you see by eye is of very significantly higher quality than any recording I have managed to get with any camera, and I have tried many. How does that factor in in your opinion? how would you describe the difference when looking through it as opposed to the recordings shown?
I would agree. Only exception to that is if you know how to set your manual gain right and match it with your camera exposure. Despite that though, I still consider the two devices I showed very close in performance
What is the grid pattern of flashing lights that show up in some of the video?
The LiDAR from my I phone
I'm really wondering if you live near a mil base because the Gen 3 PVS-14 market In my area is more like $3000-3500...
Check online. If ur in US, Omni pvs14 used has a stabilized price at around1.6-2k
@extrudedshoots Thanks. Yes I am in the US, Eastern TN.
@@metalmandoman yeah check out r/nightvision! They have tons of great deals on gen3 nv
@extrudedshoots Will do, thanks.
Imagine the camera sensor being used in a way that has zero lag and feels less like a screen. If we can figure that out we can make something perfect.
im not sure if that will ever happen. the lag on this device is pretty much none and it still feels kind of screen-ee. now dont get me wrong, this is the absolute best feeling digital NV I have ever used, but the magic floating circle analog effect is not quite there.
@extrudedshoots yepp. It's saddening. It's possible though. Big companies with the know how just aren't in the NVG bidness
Digital is getting there but not quite there yet I think vs the gen 2 the black and white would be easier to make out targets in my opinion. Couple more years and I think we will be talking gen 3 levels of quality
I agree, the contrast of black and white is nice. This is the budget version of ADNVs flag ship model, the G14P2, allegedly, the P2 has comparable performance to a gen 3 Omni 7 or 8. Thanks for the comment and I’m glad you like the content!
So these do not rely on an IR illuminator, and are truly a sensor driven night vision system? Meaning they don't give off an IR signature to others wearing NV? New to the world of digital NV.
Yup! All the footage I showed had no IR lighting
@extrudedshoots Wow, that's very impressive. I think I'm gonna have to order a pair of these to play with!
Digitals catching up. 👀
It’s getting closer!
I'm put in such a dilemma... Having to choose between Gen 2+ WP Armasight Sirius QSi 1400 FOM and the ADNV G14SE. Same price but I would never be able to actually compare the performance unless I buy them both lol. What would you choose?
I’m taking the armasight Sirius all day. Analog tech has this nearly un explainable magic too it that’s just so neat, in all honesty, the two device would probably perform very similar, but the comfort and quality of life on the analog is going to be much better imo. Also a battery that will power the g14 2 hours, will power that device for 60. Also, in my opinion, the resell value of analog tech is much higher than the digital stuff so imo go analog.
@ I really appreciate the response and your input on this. I think I made my decision cuz you are the second person to say pretty much the same things.
Review the DNV9 from Hoplite
I want to. I’ll try reaching out soon
Isnt that thing worse than even an opsin?
@@ID-9999 apparently. only one way to find out
How do they justify the price? I just found a link for these at $3000.
I think you found the P2 version of these. Those perform at a gen3 level apparently. These are 1.3k to 1.7k
@ you are correct. I got them mixed up
@@extrudedshootsPerformance compared to Opsins?
$1800 for a (likely made in China) low light generic GoPro is literal insanity.
Rifleshooter
Youre an idiot .. go away
I wish the advancement of digital night vision technology was something I could invest/gamble on lol, it’s progression is inevitable
Same here, ADNV is going to be making it big in the next few years I think.
havent finished the video yet and am asking because i dont want to forget about this question, is it possible to use the 120hz mode described on the datasheet or no?
On the device I used, only 50 and 100fps options were selectable. Either a 120 fps version is coming soon or a software update can enable it. I’m not to sure tbh.
@ thanks, i appreciate the response, i hadnt been able to finish video until now. youre videos have been very helpful
uhhh here's the thing. Why buy that digital one for $1700 when you could just buy a used analog white phosphor for that much? I just saw a "budget build" on a full set up for $1700, all analog and very good. I get the NVG30, that's $500, less than half the price. what is the point of a digital one that is just as expensive? Is there something that makes this better or is just 'just as good' as stated in the vid? Because if it's just as good as analog, you could totally just buy an analog set up for that price lol. Look at DC's video on 'budget" NVG build they build a white phosphor gen III for $1500. P.s. what you said at the end is what makes RUclips great. Feedback. It keeps it in the interest of the people watching, unlike normal TV. Can't wait to see the budget video you mentioned
Totally agreed. I should have clarified that I was more excited of this device as a technology improvement instead of a device that beat analog. I personally run a omni8 that I got for 1750 from a buddy and I way prefer that over the ADNV. NvG30 is still amazing for the price. Thanks for the input and I love knowing you watched all the way through the video!
They need to add digital zoom and focusable IR.
How well does this work bridged with a PVS-14?
Pretty well actually! I enjoyed it and it gave good depth perception
I ordered mine recently. Are there any battery packs or cable adapters available for this device right now?
I dont think so, you could use the USB to 9 pin connector and run that to a cell phone power bank
@extrudedshoots Oh nice! Does that come included?
@@rayharlow8920 yes the cable is included
@@extrudedshoots awesome! Thank you, you've been a huge help.
@@rayharlow8920 No problem! im glad i can help!
Wonder why nobody has stuck a gen1 tube in front of a digital nods sensor. Seems like an obvious solution
It would be pretty cool to see that, im sure there are reasons but idk, it would definitely be interesting.
if the price was closer to $1000 id be interested
@@raktap12 at 1000 this would be a ultra competitive device agreed
2 thoughts
1) At 3700 for a pair, this seems like a great way to get into night vision binoculars
2) Production of digital night vision is inherently more scalable than analog night vision, so I expect the price of these and similar performing digital NVGs to drop *significantly* in the coming years (assuming a certain incoming president doesn't tariff these to fuck).
Personally, with the release of the jerry31, I think these are not as good of an idea for binos. WP gen2+ binos can be bought new for around 3750 when on sale now.
For no2 I totally agree. As these get made more I hope the price drops. This at a little under 1k would be amazing.
@extrudedshoots I've never seen a WP gen2+ bino for under $4000
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Check out the L31 on MWNVG.com
it's sad that gen3 in europe is so expensive where the opsin is the same or cheaper than a gen2.
Same unit on alibaba for $1300.
The P2 is also there for $2200 ish.
I thought 1.8k ish for the p2
@ i know on goodnite gear its damn near 3k
@FemboiOperator oh yea, they charging like 100% more, however i heard that if you use all coupon codes and stuff it becomes like 30% or so
Has anyone done intensive hiking, flying, driving with this device? It seems like digital isn't as good when it comes to those.
I have done a lot of hiking with it. It’s fine for hiking. The lens flair makes it not good to drive wkth
Still pretty impressive performance! Still short of current production gen 2 tubes. I feel like it's definitely a product that exists to push the tech. Though the technical limitations are pretty clear.
agreed. I feel like this is usable and a great choice for people that are outside the US with not as easy access to cheap NV as us. for the US market, this is 1 or 2 iterations away from being amazing, if they got the price down to 1k flat, this would be a game changer.
You can get a white phosphor pvs14 photonis for less than $800 new which is several orders of magnitude superior.
@@229glock where on earth can you do that. Please send me a link, I highly doubt that price. A PVS14 housing costs $800 roughly
All they need to do is utilize a full-frame low megapixel image sensor (large individual pixels for high light collecting ability) like Sony's 12.1 MP sensor used in the A7S III or FX3 cameras for years. Blows any analog out of the water. Go look at the performance of those cameras in low light
I never understand why on earth, these companies keep reinventing the wheel like their NASA - with NASA level engineers. compared to full frames this shit seems like 2008 flipphone images.
Well, from what I can see, changing to that sensor adds about $1700 to the cost of the A7 III, which probably has something to do with it, as well as the image processor on those cameras is quite powerful and still introduces a large amount of lag. Coincidentally, it sucks down power, getting about 90 minutes of recording time out of a 7.2v ~2300 mAh battery, and weighs almost 25 ounces without a lense. Obviously you can probably cut that down to 15 or so by removing most of the camera stuff, but that's still 3 ounces heavier than a PVS-14 and that really matters when it's hanging on your face. The only high framerate footage I've seen from these cameras is done in environments with enough light to autogate gen III tubes, and you get maximum sensitivity at 10 FPS which obviously you aren't moving and shooting at. The amount of light the sensor has to work with is proportional to the aperture of the lens, and these cameras are also usually equipped with huge apertures unsuitable for a helmet mounted night vision device.
All in all, if you wanted to use the same sensor you'd probably end up with a huge, heavy device with exceedingly low framerate and response time that doesn't perform nearly as well as the camera version due to needing a smaller objective lens to be reasonable. There's a reason that movie cameras and gopros tend to be very different devices.
FF sensors can't touch analog. I have a Canon R6 which is a match for the Sony A7s II / III, and a mid spec thin filmed gen 3 monocular. Those FF bodies are amazing with a bright moon, and I primarily use the R6 for 4k24 filming under moonlight with f/1.4 lenses. But they don't show nearly as much as gen 3 under clear sky starlight. They are also dead in the water in thick forest starlight conditions and indoors by window starlight, situations where my gen 3 is still going strong. Filming at 60 fps loses a stop of light, and for tactical use people really want 90-100 fps. Things would improve a little bit with a f/0.95 lens and a full spectrum conversion to see near IR, but that would only allow them to operate with less moonlight. They still wouldn't be tactically useful in darker conditions, or able to see at all in the worst conditions. I also have an Aurora and an Aurora Pro (night vision is an addiction) and these FF bodies are about at the level of the Aurora, one stop better if converted for full spectrum. When they have enough light they produce beautiful 4k video, but they just can't gain up when the light disappears.
Beyond that there's no way to get the size down to an acceptable level with a FF sensor. You could lose the camera controls and mount the battery on the back of your helmet like the Opsin, but there's no shrinking the lens. Trying to helmet mount a FF f/1.4 lens with a 40° fov would destroy your neck, even worse with a faster lens.
There's definitely something to the tech in the SiOnyx and ADNV devices. If the tech were equal a FF sensor would be 3-4 stops brighter than those smaller sensors, but it's only at roughly the level of the original Aurora but with higher resolution. I'm actually surprised at the G14SE because I thought SiOnyx had pushed sensor tech just about to the limit. Looks like there's more on the table, though I wonder if there's enough left without switching to SPAD to match high spec unfilmed gen 3.
@@danieltaylor1522sionyx has sensors that are 2-3 iterations better but they've been told to delay their release indefinitely out of fear of them being reverse engineered
These are the type of threads in my comments that I love to see.
I am not an experts in cameras at all, but I assume the reasons they don't use those sensors is input lag and FPS. both of those are crucial in effective NV use. A7S full spectrum cameras are amazing and I would love to get one for the channel, but once again they are expensive and buying a beater PVS14 would be cheaper to some extent.
its a cool step for digital but you can get used analogs for the same price. its nice for sure but idk. guess its just harder for me because i have no real use aside from fun for nvg
agreed. If you really want a new device, this is a great option, but personally, ill take an omni 8 all day. They are super small and cool though so thats a plus at least.
$1300 (from china & 2-4 weeks of shipping is totally fine) means that these could end up like $800 in a few years even $300 in 5-6 years like how bambu 3d printers are so cheap but the best? Were gonna get mind blowing DNVG for a few hundred bucks, and another $300 to add the thermal. its gonna be so cool. just save ur money. but also buy some of these to help economies of scale!
I’m excited for the future of this tech! Especially with thermal overlay.
For digital nods that are a little over 3k, I'd just buy an analog set for the same price, if not lower.
what about motion sickness due to weird FPS. I know people complain about that a lot with other digital NVGs. That is one of the biggest drawbacks for digital NV imo
I didnt have a problem with it. the 100 fps sub 10 MS delay is incredible and very responsive. now it didnt feel quite as fluid as analog, but it was very very comfortable to run and move using/
@extrudedshoots interesting, I might have to keep an eye for V3 purely for recording and backup
Holy crap, a 18650. Now I can power my flashlight, vape, nods, and car with 1 line of batteries. Do we have 18650 lasers?
I have seen some 18650 lasers out there! Most run of 123a or aa
I would honestly rather go and pay half down payment on some bnvds and pay the rest off through affirm
looks cool i really appreciate its rugged build quality and look but isnt the point of digital nightvision compared to analog is to be on a budget? cause of the build quality and camera quality the price makes sense but honestly thats why god gave us analog id take my 1700 and go get an analog but this is cool too
Yes I agree, the point is to make it cheaper. Knowing how digital tech is made vs analog IITs, digital tech should get cheaper in the next few years while i really dont see the prices of new analog dropping for a while. if i had 1700 i would buy a OMNI7 PVS14, but its just cool that this tech is here and not at opsin prices
These are $1200 on Alibaba and seem to be beating the photonis tubes.
I would say they match the XD4, but price considered, very impressive
Yeah its probably just because the screen is a good bit brighter looking than the analog in the video.
For anyone's reference I have an NVG30 and a true Gen2 monocular made with a tube from a US PVS5, they are about equal in preformance
Idk you still get that grainy static on the digital that you don't have on the analog
Yeah, this is definitely a lot less of an issue on analog, but it’s not non existent on analog. Noise (especially on gen2+) can get quite messy
And remember! If you can't afford night vision, just know that trying to see other men in the dark is just gay. So if you are a normal male (not me included, I already bought some) the good old flash light will do! 😉
Lmfaoooooo that made me feel so much better about my poor self, thank you
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When it can be consistently made into bino's, and costs 1650 CAD per tube, it just won't beat anolog
Its better than an gen2+ in terms of gain and brightness controll as well, and the p2 is on mid tier gen3 specs
Only disadvantage is latency
woodland bridge looks like this place in md lol
Altho i do love how shiney that first 3d printed example was, whoever printed it should REALLY get a bambu and learn slicer settings with tree supports to print much better bottom surfaces lol
Yeah I need to get into printing more it’s been a while lol
For this price i would rather buy good thermal camera
not a bad idea. thermals offer way more detection capabilities