JFK Jr PLANE CRASH - Setting the Record STRAIGHT!
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- Опубликовано: 11 июн 2021
- From a Pilot's Perspective... It's time to set the record straight.
It's now been over 20 years since the fatal JFK Jr plane crash. Even though this crash is one of the most scrutinized General Aviation accidents in history, it is extremely difficult to find an accurate account of what actually happened. A mountain of misinformation, speculation, and rushing to judgements, already exist that throw John F. Kennedy Jr Private Pilot under the bus without merit.
It's time to stop the assassination of John's character as a man and his skills as a pilot. In this video we will examine the very detailed NTSB "Aviation Accident Final Report" to determine what really happened in those final few minutes to cause a highly trained and very proficient pilot to lose control of his aircraft 7 minutes before reaching his destination airport.
Thank you for tuning in! Kindest regards, Tim
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Every boomer remembers seeing that little boy saluting his dad.
Yeah if you're an older boomer. Not if you're 1 yr old baby or born in '63 or '64 fool !
John was a civilian so that salute was inappropriate
John John real name is George.
Thank you so much. My mother taught handicapped children in NYC, and she met John more than once because as she said 'he was the only wealthy donor who would come demanding the press not be there, to interact with the children and make sure his money was getting to the children as he planned. My Mom is gone now too. Mom had tremendous respect and appreciation for John and she cried when she heard the news of this event. John touched many, many lives.
@Laura Duffy Thank you very much for sharing your personal insight. I really appreciate it. Best regards, Tim
@@FSMaNiA I'm very grateful you did this video. Because of my Mom, this means a great deal to me. Thank you and best regards, Laura
What a lovely story.He was a good person publicly and privately.May God Bless him.
@@FSMaNiA I'm so glad. Selfishly, it's nice to remember my Mom, too.
@@fresatx What a wretched thing to say or think.
I watched him speak in California, what an eloquent speaker he was. I remember hearing of the crash in disbelief, what a heartbreaking tragedy.
This was really very well done. I was reluctant to view your video because of several reasons and incorrectly thought you would be bashing JFK, Jr for causing an unfortunate accident but found your care and thoughtfulness in the reconstruction of the accident to be enlightening in spite of the lost of lives on that tragic night.
I am not a pilot but I have several friends who are experienced pilots. I have watched more than my fair share of Mayday Air Disasters on prime video and elsewhere to educate myself on why planes crash and the how the disaster investigations help make flying safer by learning from happened in the catastrophic events.
I appreciate your bringing to my attention the one little thing that JFK Jr. did that snowballed into other issues leading to this disaster, so it seems that your recreation of this was a like a mini episode of a Mayday air disaster episode. Watching this was a little difficult for me but it was suspenseful because I learned about another hypothesis of the crash that was done in a respectful way.
Kudos to you for your efforts and sharing this on RUclips, thank you very much!
I was flying into Boston that night as a first officer on a B737 . ATC kept asking if we saw KBOS and even 4 miles away we couldn’t see the city. I remarked to the Captain how dreary and dark it was. I woke up the next day to the terrible News. 2018 I retired Capt Airbus and still remember that night. Great video and thanks for sharing.
What is like to be retired? I am so tired of no being re.
Thanks for getting us safely home.
John was flying passengers. This video says he was a good pilot and maybe he was but I do not want a pilot that flips the wrong switches and turns the frequency to the wrong frequency all things which causes the pilot confusion.
If this is a good pilot then I don't want to fly.
My dad was a commercial pilot. He took a crop dusting job while he got certified for jet engines. Crop dusting took him. I was 8 years old. His death was just before JFK was assassinated in the same year. My heart was forever broken. Thank you for the diligence in your investigations. I believe it will save other loved ones from devastating loss.
So sorry about your Dad.
@lynfarkey7859
How sad and tragic that your father died in a crash, and for you to have been 8 at the time. That alone is so much to bear, then the JFK assassination, must have been a profoundly tragic and heartbreaking time.
Thank you for sharing this as it reminds us to honor, and respect one another for we never know what a person may have endured.
How brave of your Dad Lynn. How brave of you. Sending 💕💕 from Mary.
@@blu48 when jfk died- felt like whole world was grieving with me.
Lynn so very sorry for the loss of your precious dad :'(
I'm a VFR pilot with just under 1000 hours of flight time. I loved to fly at night as I did on many occasions. I've been in that dark hole you touched on in the skies over Central Oregon. No visual references for several minutes. For a VFR pilot it is truly an elevated stress moment. Your very touching and somber description of this accident kept me completely engaged as I often have thought about what really happened with JFK Jr. I had had perhaps 70 hours of flight training, I haven't looked at my log books for quite some time. I was curious as to why he had so many hours with intructors, albeit, IFR training. The unexpected right turn due to possible fuel load is a really good observation and could certainly have played a role in the onslaught of spacial disorientation. It only takes a couple of small things at speed to add up to big trouble. Thank you.
Thank you for sharing your experiences. I also had an unexpected loss of horizon flying night VFR along the coastline of Florida in a sparsely populated area. Similar to John’s flight, my loss of horizon occurred about 10 minutes from my destination airport. I probably spent too much time searching the windshield for visual references. Fortunately we landed without incident but I can see now that it could have ended badly. Best, Tim
EXCEPT, THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED. THE PLANE WAS SABOTAGED
@@GBS1043 by who?
He should have left it on auto pilot and called for help, so sad.
@@GBS1043 that's possible but when you don't give any sort of evidence and type in all caps....It just doesn't lend any credibility.
Excellent analysis of what most likely happened. Having an Instrument rating, and spending many hours under the hood in dual instruction, I can still hear my instructor from 1973 saying "trust your instruments, not your backside". And your point of John getting behind the plane at some point certainly adds to the reality that makes things easier to go wrong in a hurry. The other phrase drilled into my head - "above everything else, fly the damn plane". Thank you Herbie Mann, Sr. Flight Instructor at NAS South Weymouth Aero Club.
I often wondered what happened? I’m an old lady with no flying experience and even I understood this brilliant but vivid explanation. I was holding my blanket so tight! I can only imagine the anguish experienced in those fatal and final moments. John was a very kind young man. Gracious. The closing of this video is truly precious, incredibly moving and aptly and brilliantly expressed. Long live their memories. My sincere sympathies to both families on the tragic and terribly sad loss of their beloved children. Much respect and compassion. ❤️🩹🙏🇺🇸
The Kennedy Family Joseph Jr. and John were true American Patriots. We all know of John's heroic deeds in the Pacific Theater of WW2 and the PT-109. But few know of his older Brother Joseph Patrick Kennedy Jr. who died piloting a B-24 on a bomb run in WW2, read about his Naval experience and heroic death it is very fascinating.
@@crotalusatrox7931 Don't forget their old man, Joseph Kennnedy Sr who heartlessly made his poor daughter Rose get risky lobotomy surgery because of the promise the new procedure would make her more 'calm' and appear more 'normal' for Joe's publicity machine. Of course, a shrewd, smart Harvard grad like Joe knew the experimental procedure could go horribly wrong. But hey, it's worth potentially sacraficing your child's entire personality, her functioning brain, her hopes, joys, memories, dreams, loves and very life, as long as3 there's s small chance that she'll appear more 'normal' like the rest of your kids.
Oh, Joe Sr may not be a 'true American hero but he has an eternal military pedigree, now. He's in eternal torment in hell, holding the rank of Captain of Sorrows as bestowed upon him by a laughing Satan.
He was killed. That's what happened.
Está Fato se deu lá Trás em 2017 foi de eu pilotar aquele Avião das Forças Armadas contra um Avião de Passageiros.se for e um fato por mim confirmado. 😌. 🛩️✈️#
@@LostJewelzEnt serving our country
now just imagine Navy WW2 pilots flying off aircraft carriers at night on a pitching and rolling ship, NO autopilot or "aides". flying all manual, taking off and landing on that little patch of ship, rolling and pitching in black darkness save a couple of lights and the meatball. just amazing amazing men...the greatest generation indeed.
DITTO, MY CFII HAD 20 PLUS THOUSAND LANDING!!!! THATS WHAT MADE HIM A GREAT INSTRUCTOR!!!!!!!!!!!
Mark , perfect statement !!!!!!!!
Lost a good pilot friend when he missed the fan tail and crashed in to the South China Sea in Viet Nam conflict.
For this very reason this is why we lost more pilots and aircraft in training than in actual battle a lot more I was amazed by the number for fatalities just from training exercises with plains Hastily assembled as we were rushed into the war one out of every three bomb or torpedo launched was a dud and often engine and equipment failures never had time to be properly tested and our brave soldiers ended up finding out after it was too late
@John Spencer I was stationed at KMCAS in `73. That`s across the island from Ala Moana.
have followed accounts of this horrible accident for years… great job sir, your recreation of the loss of control actually had my heart pounding for several minutes.. every pilot should watch this… we’ll done!!
Broke my heart to hear of his lost of life, wife, and sisterinlaw! My husband & I vacationed in Manhattan around that time frame/period, and left flowers on his doorsteps. I recalled it not being easy purchasing flowers, because many stores were out, dued to John F. Kennedy Jr. popularity! May all of them R.I.P♥
Who the Hell vacations in Maggot hat in ?
@@brucegoodall3794 listen you nitwit, grow the (f) up! I've vacationed In and out of the Country! Who the HELL are you to tell me where to vacation, you piece of ish.💩😊
I couldn’t watch this. It’s 20 years ago, and I still feel horrible that the world lost such a wonderful man, his wife and sister-in-law. He was a remarkable man, dearly loved by all. 🙏❤️ I miss him.
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Internet censure...
Such a mature 💩
I had to stop 3 minutes in.
Or was he?
And you wonder why America is fucked with morons like you.
I remember that summer 1999, I was 11 years, Dan Rather came on TV and they were searching for his plane, and my mom kept saying John John's plane is missing not again.
GO to Russ Bakers Book "Bush Family of Lies"
@@Hands2HealNow What are you insinuating?
@@Hands2HealNow he named his magazine after his Dads killer I always thought it was Soros until I found out Bush Sr was in the CIA then I knew! His magazine actually referenced pizza gate & things happening today back then! The one that has the cover with a blonde model
@@barbiechic5294 I was under the impression that the name of “GEORGE” for his magazine was because it represented the first president of the United States: George Washington. Also JFK Jr. wanted his magazine to represent the kind of politics his Father President JFK Sr. stood for.
@@susanmaendel8438 no I watched a video about it he vowed to take down the person responsible for his dads death. I thought it was Soros but it was Bush
Your assumptions were very well thought out. I was actually flying that day in the late afternoon. My job was a corporate helicopter pilot flying a Sikorsky S76A. While over Long Island and heading for Republic airport I noted the extreme haze that was present. I asked my co-pilot to call Republic and find out if they are still VFR. If not, we would ask for a special VFR. They replied "yes we are VFR." Because of the unusual haze I thought it was definitely IFR and was surprised by their answer. Flying weather wasn't new to me, so both me and my co-pilot thought that it was an unusual VFR, very, very hazy. My point is John was facing an extremely poor VFR environment and adding to that he was flying over the dark sea. What we call flying into a black hole. You really needed to be a qualified and practiced IFR pilot to make such a flight. Of course, John did not know the unusual circumstances and thought it would be a typical night flight. But, unfortunately, it turned out otherwise.
I'm not a pilot myself, but I stumbled upon this video that really caught my attention. It provides a detailed and accurate account of the final moments of a great man who was admired by many, including myself. The Kennedy family, and especially JFK and his son John, hold a special place in my heart. It's hard not to wonder how much good John Kennedy Jr. could have done for our country if he had been given more time on this earth. May he rest in peace.
You mentioned several times that tuning to the ATIS a contributing factor. That should have been the furthest thing from his mind. He was flying into a dark sky above a black ocean. I can’t help him, but I’ll tell anybody else facing this situation to forget anything other than flying the airplane. Leave the autopilot engaged and fly straight and level until you have some kind of visual reference. If that means staying at 5,000 feet until you reach the destination airport, then stay at 5,000 feet.
The most dangerous pilot in the sky is a 200-hour pilot. He failed to recognize his biggest threat, a flight at night over a black ocean is an IFR flight. Dirty Harry said it best when he said, ‘A man has to know his limitations.’ The one person a pilot can’t lie to is himself. When this planned VFR flight couldn’t continue in daylight, he should have waited for the sun to rise before taking off.
If forced to make this flight at night my two primary concerns are engine failure and spatial disorientation. My recommendation for this flight would have been to follow the coastline to New Bedford and then skirt across the 35 miles to Martha’s Vineyard instead of taking an extended over-water route in a single-engine airplane at night. We are talking of probably adding less than ten minutes to the flight time. This would also provide a lighted horizon for all but maybe five minutes of the flight.
But what do I know? I’m just an ATP-rated pilot with a single-engine, multi-engine, and instrument instructor certificate and well over ten-thousand hours of flight time. I’ve made it 58 years since taking my first flight by not taking unnecessary risks. Flying isn’t inherently dangerous, but it’s terribly unforgiving.
Trust me, I’m not speaking ill of the dead, I am giving a stern warning to the living.
Yours was the comment for which I was searching. I've also heard he never should have been over the water at night.
Additionally it is discussed that he hit the wrong button with regard to the auto pilot, ALT hold vs HDG hold. Looking at 31:56, assuming the computer simulator is uses an instrument panel representative of the real thing, there are, directly above the buttons, what one would assume are back lit indicators for the state of each system. I could be incorrect and that isn't the way it works.(I've never flown.) But regardless, it would seem that any aircraft's auto pilot instrument panel would include a way to visually verify the state of each system. If I am correct about the backlit indicators, how does Kennedy not notice after pressing a button he believes has engaged the ALT hold that he instead has disengaged the HDG hold? It would seem a very bad mistake to make, engaging the incorrect system and not realizing it.
Amen!🇨🇦
Hi Darrell. Rest assured that you leave no impression of speaking ill of the dead....so kind and respectful of you to have included that notation.
Certainly enjoyed your informative commentary, your humble words toward the end that begin with "but what do I know, I'm just a....." brought a chuckle. With an impressive 6 decades of flying know how, one would be hard pressed to learn from a finer pilot than you. Sure wish John had considered taking advantage of the shoreline by heading to Martha's Vineyard via New Bedford as you mention and yes, taking off at first daylight would have been ideal.
Such a tragic loss for John's sister Caroline and the Kennedy and Besette families to endure. I believe it a blessing that John's motherJackie was not alive at the time. I feel fortunate that the passing of my family members were not attributed to tragedy. Wishing you strong take offs and soft landings from the Tar Heel State. ✈
were not
I remembered when the news broke out on TV, me and my wife were on a trip not long after we were married. I was shocked and upset, swore John had an engine or some other mechanical failure. Sometimes pilots become distracted resulting in loss of life. We are humans, it happens even when driving but should be avoided. I always wanted to be a commercial pilot since I was a kid. I studied electronics to work my way up into avionics then planned to apply for a scholarship. I became consumed by the pace of technology, and the time blew by. My wife bought me an intro flight when I was 33 years old she was 6 months pregnant. We went up with an instructor in a 172 and I had a blast flying. I regret not following my dreams at times, but she made me happy that day, like most times. John, his wife and sister in law were killed by the crash, last year my younger daughter and wife were murdered by a predator who was after my kid. May they all fly high above as angels, spreading their wings and soaring, no auto pilot needed. RIP. Thanks for producing this video.
Hopefully other pilots will read your excellent commentary and keep it in mind for future reference.
I have more than enough hours as a student pilot, but never got my license. Can't pass a flight physical any more. I myself would never have taken off VFR at night (after sundown). Thank You for clearing up so many questions and misconceptions that I have had since this accident occurred. I was in 3rd grade in Arlington when my parents and I walked through the Rotunda to look at his father's casket and we also attended the funeral procession. John Jr. was a good and wonderful man. Best Regards
@@BoscoTurner-gf9ew A low time IFR licensed pilot should have made better decisions prior to flying at night. Sometimes you only get one chance to "get it right" when flying light aircraft. Terrible loss. He was a great man.
He was constantly rescheduling lessons and bounced from several different instructors rather than using one on a regular basis. This guys too nice.
He was careless and entitled.
Thank you so much! A 66 year old Grandmother remembers where I was when President Kennedy was shot and where I was when John Jr's plane was lost. Thank you for bringing clarity to a confusing disaster. So respectful.
As someone who flies right front seat for a search and rescue organization, this drives home how one mistake (wrong ATIS frequency) can be small, but it can quickly spiral into a series of problems from which you may not recover. I can only imagine how terrorizing the end of that flight was. RIP.
More than likely it was over before they knew what was happening
@@occamsrazor6830 Caroline Basset Kennedy Her Coke Head Cheating Self Was John DownFall Bet Money He Was So Focused On Her Than Flying The Plane They Was Broken Up At The Time Nothing But A Disaster Waiting To Happen Why Was She Even There In The First Place IF THEM TWO FEMALES WASNT WITH HIM HE PROBABLY WOULDA BEEN STILL HERE BRING HER SISTER TO KEEP THEM SEPERATE BUT STILL TOGETHER
I am surprised no potential mentioned if extreme shear from the common area around the vineyard/ hyannis was possible effecting all else as well as a thermal etc. During his time of uncertainty / lacking autopilot , radio contact cfr.......???
@@williamnutile2929there would not be thermals at that time of night. Wind shear was not reported that evening or during the following day when we were out looking for the plane. Low time in Piper type especially a high powered complex aircraft probably contributed. Over reliance of a autopilot may have been an issue. He apparently had not yet received instruction on unusual attitude recovery. Therefore I doubt the statement that he was fully qualified for the conditions.
@@occamsrazor6830 i hope so🙏🏼
This was bone chilling. Very impressive recreation. I know nothing about piloting airplanes but I always thought the only mistake he made was flying at night. RIP to him, his beautiful wife and sister in law.
No , the only mistake he made was not listening to his mother " not to fly " had he, his wife and sister-in law would be alive.
Yup. Would have been far far better to get a good nights sleep and head out at first light.
@@MrSonoranbird yes my thinking is he's was tired at the end of a busy day,and 100% consentration is a must, very sad indeed.
Caroline could be Cruel, a side effect of serious indulgence in
"Bolivian Marching Powder"
John simply " P- Whipped"- outgunned.Tried hard to please her... Flying with left leg in a Cast as well.
Distractions on top list of Oops factor...
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I still feel like just a simple error in the wrong frequency could cause such a plane crash... Very sad. This was a great investigation by this gentleman.
It wasn’t a concrete cause, but a start to a domino effect of mistakes that led to a crash.
@@melxdan Yes I believe so.. Its a shame that there isn't a difinitive answer to alot of things we will always ponder on however I thought this was very well done by all means and professional standards but I get where ur coming from.
He never should have flown with a bad ankle and without all his instruments training. If he had followed his instruments, he never would have crashed.
@@user-fr8bf7lt5e what if the aircraft was sabotaged ?? I had read that some people wanted him to enter politics and some people were not happy with the thought that he would run for anything!! It would have been an instant win… May he Rest in Peace together with his other two passengers…
@@user-fr8bf7lt5e did you ever hear that Jackie had always emphasized to him TO NEVER take flight lessons?? She might have had some premonition!
My dad had a small plane pilot’s license, and got grounded after suffering a heart attack during his divorce. His health declined more dramatically after he couldn’t fly anymore. I used to listen to “From the Cockpit” while flying on commercial flights because as a passenger it was relaxing to listen to the communications between tower and the craft, but that channel was ended sometime after 9/11. (I haven’t been on a flight since 2010. The airports just became too creepy for me.) I’m thinking that it’s unsafe for that fuel tank idiosyncrasy to happen in an aircraft, for the obvious reason of where the vehicle is driven. Thank you for this analysis.
An official government report does not means a truthful well intended report.
This guy is at the same island as kobe sipping on unbrella straws daily
I use to believe “official government report” meant ‘researched for accuracy and completeness; authenticated/adjudicated as accurate... now I see this “depends” on the Government agency attesting to this and the degree of political play (read damage) the “official Gov report” contains
Exactly.
@@scotttild want to bet?
Someone doubting an official government report does not mean that person is right.......
I feel like I’m reliving the terror they must have felt and that terrible feeling when the aircraft is not responding properly or the spatially confused feeling that you can’t recover from the chain of events and you are frantically trying to recover from the tail spin . He was a brilliant man who lit the lights in our hearts and memories ❤. Thank you again for this touching tribute to him!
Too bad he DIDNT practice coming SENSE.
Don't FLY AT NIGHT
SO SAD!!
Yes, it was explained so clearly. I'm sure John held it together as all solid pilots would, but deep down he had to be suppressing terror to keep navigating as he did until their demise. Sounded terrifying to me as well, now that I understand what happened.
238 hours of training over 17 years I read somewhere. That’s a red flag to me. Then he finally got his PPL 18 months before the crash. Then he gets into an airplane that was over his head. This is how a lot of wealthy pilots die.
@robertjones8598 wow that's a detail I hadn't known: the training spread over 17 years!! NTSB could easily remedy that by making training hours expire if the certification isn't attained within a certain timeframe. Definitely need a certain concentration of training not spread over 17 yrs. He def seemed arrogant. He was a risk taker, judging by his broken leg from parasailing, too.
So touching that you broke up towards the end Shows how much not only you cared about aviation safety, but about him as a man and about his family. Thank you for the wonderful explanation.
Thanks for putting this explanation together and the research behind it. I had heard through reliable people that John was not irresponsible or careless at all. That he was a well trained pilot. It did seem like a tragic chain of events that led to this accident. Leaving late, flying at night, wrong buttons, haze and perhaps a new plane. It causes an ache in my heart when I think of him...still.
A beautiful, informative, well produced and heartfelt account. I doubt that anyone could understand this tragedy so completely without your attention to the myriad of details and your obvious experience as a pilot and a devoted humanitarian. Thank you.
Bullsh*t, this guy knows nothing & takes a great many things for granted, neither does he answer the suspicious questions raised in some of the accounts which he attacks!
Hey 😊 JFK 💯% well and alive, Q news official. Tellagram (YT erase comment if spell correct and if write this sentance correct)
Died at 38 years old. Sad. Thank you for this video. Rest John, and the two sisters.
Great video. Thank you. I recognize there were several factors that contributed to the crash, but note the following info, according to the NTSB investigation. John got his pilot certificate 15 months before the crash, and of his total flight career only had 72 hours of flying time without a flight instructor on board. He bought this new plane 3 months before the crash and flew it only 3 hours without a flight instructor on board, of which less than an hour was at night. He had completed less than half of the training lessons required to get his instrument rating. His instructor noted that John had difficulty managing multiple tasks while flying, but that this was common for pilots with his level of experience.
RIP to all the crash victims.
It was reported that JFK Jr. was allegedly seen walking into a convenience store with crutches shortly before the flight as "his ankle still too tender to bear his full weight." It is not a reach to suggest that he was prescribed Vicodin for the pain. Given the absence of a
viable toxicology report since his body was not removed from the wreckage until Wednesday, July 21st--four days after the crash--there is no way a reliable test for Vicodin, the half-life of which is slightly less than 4 hours, could have been made. Then, too, any sample would have been contaminated by immersion in sea water.
It is not uncommon that the drug can still affect people eight or nine hours after consumption. Just a thought but that might explain his ill-advised decision to make the flight.
Furthermore, JFK Jr. has less than 20 hours solo in the aircraft and 10 at night. Flying is not a single skill but a composite of numerous ones. It seems to be merely presumptive to suggest JFK Jr. was a "good pilot". Some pilots are exceptional "stick-and rudder" pilots; others are better on the gauges. We simply have no idea about John's abilities in instrument conditions at night. And while it is true that spatial disorientation has killed very experienced pilots, it doesn't mitigate JFK Jr.s ill-advised decision to make the flight.
I like the way this narrator calmly , respectfully narrated JFK Jr. final hours . So Sad.
Maria, I was so glad he helped us with some closure. Flying so much with my boyfriend then husband I know flying I like factual details I for me needed to know what really was going on in that plane. It has helped me to give some closure.
Yes and I remember clearly that I was shaking inside, and then there was the interminable waiting - for some news. No news for quite a long time. I must have turned on my TV or radio every hour on the hour. It seemed like days, though it may have only been one or two days. Ted Kennedy is coming to the scene. Carolyn Kennedy is coming to the scene. And so on. But nothing at all for the longest time; just speculation. Finally the news filtered in, then blasted on headlines: Fatal crash with no survivors. Devastating. We all really felt empty inside that such a charismatic man and his beautiful wife were gone. Impossible to believe. Still is in some ways.
I am not really into celebrities, but JFK junior was a class act and someone who I always admired. Too bad that this had to happen.
You drop the JR when you go to WITSEC... 45 is CIC and Sworn in 3/29/21 19th P to be announced, soon.
@@chriscoghlan7202 You people are seriously delusional who believe all this crap from QAnon. Nothing has ever come to fruition and 45 is still a whiny bitch living in FL, attacking anyone who dares to disagree w/him. He wasn't sworn in by anyone since 1/20/17 and hasn't been CIC since Noon on 1/20/21. #FactsMatter
His business partner said they had some big things that had to be taken care of that day snd he was very concerned the delay that day would be bad for them to fly. John pooh fooded him and w
Went ahead.
jfk jr.'s magazine George was super odd.
@@chriscoghlan7202 What in the name of Pete did I just read?!?
What a great honor you showed to John and his wife. It’s just so beautifully done. Thank you sir John will forever be America’s son God bless America God bless all of you reading this
Beautifully done, thank you for taking me on this journey! I pray that the future training of pilots would include the errors that caused the loss of three very special people! ❤🎚️🙏🙌🛐
I loved how you put together the simulation. You definitely brought about a realistic point of view. I went to the comments to gauge thoughts and it almost ruined the feeling of solace that people are still saying he’s alive. Have respect for those who have passed on and their loved ones. Thank you again for for this video. 👍🏽
Thank you kindly. I couldn’t agree more about being respectful. Best regards, Tim
I used to think I'd like to get my pilot license. This video is exactly why I never did. I got spacial disorientation and felt complete panic just watching this video.
When you start flying you do it VFR (visual rules), where land is always in sight and you do not have spacial disorentation.
Pedro Arraztoa yea this is true but you do end up needing those night landings and cross country at the end of training.
Getting an IFR rating after the Private Pilot rating takes care of all the fears of spacial disorientation.
@@MacNmey Right. John was only a few hours into IFR training. Even then he had to repeat a few of those hours. Why he didn't trust his instruments is baffling.
@@Lehmann108 That's a good observation, but in reality "trust" is the key word. There is a reason that to be awarded an instrument rating you must log at least 40 hours under the hood or in actual IMC conditions. It's all about learning and embracing "trust" in those instruments. Or you might say "comfort level". With John's only limited time under the hood, his primary comfort level was still entirely in the VFR environment. Even though he had perfectly good instruments right in front of him and even knew how to use them, his comfort level was still looking outside the window to get that reference he was comfortable with. I suspect that he in fact did reference his instruments a little bit, but was desperately searching outside for that reference he was comfortable with and in that scenario your eyes will lie to you. Your eyes will see some little anomaly in the distance and tell your brain "horizon" because your brain "wants to see a horizon", and instinctively you make control inputs according to that "false horizon", and it all goes rapidly downhill from there. A competent IFR pilot feels just as comfortable "going to the gauges" as he/she does looking out the widow for references. It's no big deal. As soon as things begin to get borderline, you simply go on the gauges and THAT becomes your primary reference point. Johns level of comfort on those gauges was simply not nearly up to the demands that evening.
Pilot of the French Air Force aerobatic team, former fighter pilot on F1 mirage, Renaud Ecalle was crowned world aerobatic champion in 2009 and European champion in 2010. His plane crashed with wife and two young children just north of Montpellier, France due to strong winds and rain around 6 PM. Fly safe everyone and remember that experience is quite often not enough. Make sure you have a good understanding of the region and double check on weather conditions. Forget about having to be somewhere at an exact time. It’s not worth it.
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Best advice. I gave up flying long ago, after having the flight I was on crash on the airport landing strip. Fortunately, we all survived.
Soo true a hood pilot dies in his bed!
I am a former private pilot of 22 years. Well said, GDW!
How terribly sad for Renault Ecalle thank you for sharing this I am going to look up this fabulous pilot.
I was flying that night in a Lear 60 and the haze was terrible with temp's in the 90's. At 1000 AGL you couldn't see the ground. So going over the ocean at night in IFR conditions for a new pilot
had to test his abilities! I You start to question yourself and then fear sets in and then bad things happen.
This was an incredible and very detailed account of this terrible tragedy. I can only imagine the horror they must have felt. But thankfully, they may not have known their impending demise, traveling at a rate of 200mph. John jr. had so much more to give the world. So sad for the families they left behind.
I remember when this happened. It made me sick. So sad.
Watch T rally u will see his wife & her best friend. I'm 100% positive it's her. T waved by to her specifically. If she's alive guess what 🤗 don't be sad jus sayin.... Look at rallies for 2016 in one her and a guy watching their watch. At a certain point they switched seats. His hair dyed dark but he liked that stuff. There's a Q meme with military and a white haired guy...look at him hard and smile 🤗
I remember it, as well! It’s a fearful thing to fly at night in those smaller private planes! Such a tragic death.
@@GmaPat89 did jr really died? I,m finding out that he is very much alive, someone tried to kill him and he will tell the world just who it was that tried to kill him.
Do you think he is alive?
Jfk Jr. Is alive I do believe he is.
Your understanding and compassion brighten my heart. Thank you for honoring JFK Jr memory and his skills as a pilot. 💙
My pleasure
Obviously not skilled enough to know when he was not capable to take that final flight. He made so many miscalculations that lead to That fateful conclusion. It is pointless to defend the indefensible. A sad story, but one of complete pilot error and inexperience.
He was a skilled pilot in the day light but not at night.
A tragic loss of 3 lives
So tragic. Spatial disorientation has to be one of the most terrifying things that can happen to a pilot.
Once your senses tell you the plane is doing something the instruments deny, it takes enormous amounts of training and will power to believe the instruments. I've never been a fan of flying VFR at night especially over water. Personally I think night flying should require an instrument rating.
It's just too easy to get disoriented.
This was extraordinary. Such remarkable work honoring John, Carolyn and Lauren. Thank you
I had the pleasure of meeting John also when he worked in the attorney generals office. He was traveling coach and I immediately upgraded him He was so gracious and never acted stuck up or self righteous just made a point of thanking me for the courtesy.
I was in the airline industry for 35+ years - my company position entitled me to continuous entry priviliges to the First Class Lounge.
Different country to yours - but the game is the same.
Politicians - almost without exception State and Federal - travelled with this carrier and accessed their First Class Lounge.
Politicians deliberately make themselves highly visible - so if there is one in even a crowded space you will be know - which makes the accounting certifiable.
In all that time I never saw a politician enter that Lounge with anything but an Economy Class Ticket.
In all that time I never saw a politician leave that Lounge with anything but a First Class Boarding Class.
You can fill in the rest.
Not to be seen as criticism of John Kennedy Jnr whom I liked - although I had to read the press to know him - which is a very poor source for information.
You had personal contact with John Jennedy Jnr - I did not.
Context is all.
So instead of giving the seat to a pleb- which you wouldn’t have done even if it is open you gave it for free to a rich and powerful man. It’s pathetic people like you that are f’ing up the world. Of course he was gracious- but I’d put money on the fact that he knew he had a 90% chance of being bumped to first class because that’s just the way life works for the rich and powerful. Gracious on the outside, spoiled and entitled beyond belief in his thought
Just out of curiosity, why did you “immediately” upgrade him? He can certainly afford an upgrade. He could afford his own plane. I’m sorry but I find this so perplexing. Do you do that for all coach passengers you run across? It’s like when people
Donate to a millionaire but wouldn’t even think of donating to the abandoned single mom down the street. Weird. People are strange
I read in one of the comments that a 200 hour pilot is the most dangerous pilot. At the time of this accident I had a little over 200 hours. I had heard this saying before. That night I was at my home airport, 4N1 about 15 NM north of where he took off. At that time NJ didn't have the Powerball lottery. I was going to fly up to CT to pick up some tickets for a very large jackpot. It was just starting to get dark as I took off. As I climbed out I looked to the north and I didn't like what I saw. It was very hazy with terrible visibility. I aborted the flight. A CHANCE at multiple millions was not worth taking that chance. When I was tying down the plane my friend Steve ,a Vietnam helicopter and high time GA pilot, came over to me. He told me that was the best decision I could have made. I went home feeling good about my decision. When I woke up the next morning I saw the JFK Jr incident on the news. I learned a lot that weekend. RIP
John John could afford a million dollar jet. I am sure the first-class upgrade was a real treat for him.BTW John was fine normal guy according folks who worked in the same building as him. Jackie did a fine job raising her children. Too bad he was not a good judge of his own flying ability. Caroline's family got a cash settlement for his negligence that was hushed up. No amount of money can bring back lost loved ones.
Just breaks my heart. My Mom had passed the week before (July 10th), and I was very sad. I remember watching the news all day long, hoping/praying they would be found, trying not to cry. When it was confirmed there it had crashed and they had died, my heart just shattered, and I began to cry. The TV Channel played the song "Angels" by Sarah MacGloughlin (sp?) which still makes me cry today. I've been a long-time fan of John and Carolyn, and I felt so robbed of not being able to see what they would've accomplished in their life, and the beautiful children they would have had. We'd been to Martha's Vineyard the summer before, and had seen the spot that they crashed (though we did not know at the time). That, somehow, made me feel closer to them, but even more heartbroken than before. I am glad to know that they died upon impact; the thought of them struggling in the dark, cold water was horrible. They got married in secret, and died in secret, free from the damned paparazzi. I try to imagine them dying, lost and confused, but suddenly seeing JFK and Jackie, in front of them, waiting for them to help guide them through to their next journey. John, Carolyn, and Lauren, you are loved, and sorely missed. RIP. 💖😭💔
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I’m am now a 30,000+ hour airline pilot. This was a great Re-cap of the unfolding events of the tragedy. I often imagine siting in John’s right seat and helping him through his mistakes as we do in the commercial world of aviation. When I was at John’s level of experience, I was attending San Diego State University studying Aerospace engineering. I’d rent a single engine airplane with the basic six pack instrument cluster. No GPS back then. I’d fly out over the coastline at night to experience the effects of no horizon until I was at the “uncomfortable” state and then make a left or right banking turn in level flight until the coast line lights came into view. Doing this many times helped immensely in my instrument rating. This was a completely unnecessary tragedy. RIP.
Exactly! I’m a private pilot and been flying the Saratoga since the 80s! I learned from an ex Air Force thunderbird pilot! He always said, you die when you make 3 mistakes on a flight! 1st mistake flying hours late from original flight plan, 2nd he flew in to the night hazy and no moon! He should have turned back as soon as he left the Long Island coast and saw how dark over the water was, ego kept him flying on!! I bet his passengers started to freak out lost concentration and he went in a slow curve turn and stalled!!! 3rd he is famous and rich, why not get a flight IFR instructor to go with him to the cool Kennedy party!! Sad sad!! Always have backup !
I'm at 64hrs and still do not feel comfortable to take my test. Listening to this made me feel even less ready, people do not understand the chain of events and the mental load a pilot has on him/her sometimes.
@@MrHoudini50 what happened ❓
@@darioscotti7067 Your post is so spot on! My late father was a retired USAF fighter pilot with a senior-command pilot rating, and he was a double-Mig killer in the Viet Nam War. After retiring in February of '75, the following July he rented a Cessna from the aero club at the former Bergstrom AFB in Austin, TX where we lived, and where I still live today. He had planned a trip to Groton, CT. to visit relatives and friends from their hometown of Norwich, CT - 20 minutes away. My mom, my sister and I were all going cool trip in a private plane for the first time, and my dad was going to be flying us! I ended up staying in Austin - which I will forever regret - to hold down the fort at 16. I was too cool for my own good and passed up an opportunity of a lifetime flying with my father that I never got again. Long story short: on their return trip to Austin they got grounded in Williamsport, PA for 4 days because of bad weather conditions. It must have been nasty because even with his thousands of hours of flying experience in jets, he wasn't going to risk his family's life flying in those conditions. At one point they attempted a flight out but, as your Thunderbird instructor would have done when it wasn't looking good, he returned to Williamsport to try again another day. He finally told my mother that he felt good about punching out of the cloud cover, and that it was worth taking a shot unless they planned on being stuck there for several more days. He gave it a go and was successful climbing out of the cloud cover into clear blue skies. My mom later told me that she was saying Hail Marys as they climbed through the murk, but that my father was the real deal and they felt so safe with him. They were home two days later. A couple of years later I kept reading in the paper about private plane crashes between Texas and Colorado: two or three of them around the Christmas holidays. I was asking my dad what he thought about it, and the first thing he said was that civilian pilots with limited hours of flying experience had no business flying in weather conditions that experienced, military-trained pilots like my dad wouldn't fly in. When JFK, Jr., his wife and her sister tragically passed, and the details of the flight and the weather conditions that night were reported, all I could think of was what my dad had said.
dario scotti : The main thing is he should’ve turned around and diverted to clear weather land out option. He really blew it. It’s as you say.
In my 50 years of life, never has more people talked about one man, and the loss of everything, as with JFK Jr. Still to this day, I see more reasons why this story is so sad. He had everything, and he passed away too early.
So much sadness for a family. 😢
He was running for Senate against Hillary Clinton. His life was well,well at least before he was running for Senate. Poor guy.
I think it is just as tragic when a person who doesn't have it all dies young
Maybe JFK but not Jon Jon
@@GnomeChomsky9999why not JFK Jr.
I had tremendous respect for John and especially watching what he went through with a beautiful smile always on his face. Thank you sincerely for sharing the tragic last minutes of John’s life even though heartbreaking.
Beautifully presented. RIP three beautiful souls. It was their time. Thank-you from S Africa
Thank you for taking the time to do this. Rest in Peace to the 3 🤍🤍🤍. Still gutted at the loss. Prayers for all who love and miss them.
Being a flight instructor with 2000 hours in Saratoga I remember that Saturday morning hearing about his missing airplane I immediately knew (thought) it had to be S disorientation. I could not understand why the auto pilot was not being used but this video answered that. Thanks
@@N34RT Please tell us at least one flaw, at least one erroneous conclusion, and at least one omission from this presentation. I'm sure we can all learn something from your knowledge. Thanks!
I remember learning of John and Caroline Kennedy and Lauren’s tragic accident. So very very sad!
It seems like the judgement of the pilot is the underlying factor in most private aviation crashes. Aviation is not very forgiving.
I remember that cute little boy under his father's desk... So sad what happened... Yes I cried too.
Same
It was sad because JFK shouldn't have been flying because he didn't hold an instrument rating. It's called spatial disorientation and it can actually happen to qualified pilots. That's why you need to know how to read the instruments. JFK didn't know what to do. . Kennedy did not hold an instrument rating and therefore was only certified to fly under visual flight rules.
it was murder. the kennedy curse = the global cabal killing them off or trying to (ie rothschilds, rockefellers, etc)/
@@iindiar Hillary wanted the NY seat of Senator Moynihan but it was supposed to go to John. Wouldn't put it past the murderous Clintons if they had a hand in it.
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My good friend Mike became a pilot flying small six passenger planes at a Westerly Rhode Island.. he had logged thousands and thousands of hours in even was certified as an instructor... One fateful day he was flying out of Westerly with four passengers aboard.. according to the FAA report he banked too quickly losing airspeed and crashing... Killing himself in three of the four passengers aboard 😢..so sad .. any pilot can make a mistake even experienced once. Most crashes are not hardware involved or electronics failure involved.. they are pilot error RIP MIKE 🙏❤️
Yup...I called my brother, a private pilot since age 16, he Said "pilot error." Very sad, but true.
Joan used to ride to/fro BI to Westerly Maybe they knew each other. It's not the worst thing to passion doing what you love.
Thank you for this amazing video!
You provided very well articulated information especially for the lay person, like me. You speak with great humbleness about how this could happen to any experienced pilot and that John was a responsible and well-trained pilot. I am so glad I found this because I have been thinking about this lately as we come upon the 24th anniversary of their untimely deaths. Thank you again.
You’re very welcome. Cheers
My brother lost the horizon once and he was lucky his trainer was with him. He said he was completely confused. He was in training
I'll always remember John John and the John F. Kennedy family, RIP
😭
They are alive
@@samanthapuntis3278 you are delusional.
Thinking of Carolyn Kennedy🌸
He was NEVER called John John. That’s a myth. He was always called John.
What a beautiful tribute to JFK Jr....
Love your calm narrating voice...
Tears circle my eyes toward the end as you tried to hold off your own emotion...
Are you kidding? This video shows that? Where?
Seek help
Toughen up, butter cup!
His voice was actually raspy and his accent is gawd-awful!
This is important to watch. An explaination of such quality gives the involved viewer insight that otherwise wouldnt have. We all make mistakes, i cant even use the remote properly at times. I think the comments are very good as to basic rules for flying as well. John violated them in what seems almost insignificant but became deadly so fast. You good pilots out there would have saved him and he could have fliwn another day❤
Extremely honorable eulogy, heart and soul expression is displayed.
May they rest in peace 🙏
This tragedy has always haunted me. In the 90s I spent a lot of time on Microsoft Flight Simulator. Martha's Vineyard was one of the few airports in that software. I tried on numerous occasions to fly to MV at night and always ended up way past it flying into the dark night over the ocean. Frustrated I started looking into why I was always off. Turned out they had the wrong frequency in the manual that sent you off into the abyss. When I heard Kennedy was heading there at night, always creeped me out.
If you recall tho' the simulator pilot here said JFK Jr had flown there 35 x over the previous 15 mths, so he was NO stranger to the flight path or the frequency... is there such a thing as preset frequency settings in those things.. like radio stations on our car radios?
Wow
@@aussiegirl3473 35 times? Wow. Odd that Kaleigh Mcenany looks like JFKJr's wife did.
@@aussiegirl3473 porque que ele não fala do botão vermelho que ele acionou a 🚀 bomba Nuclear au irá e Iraque. Eu bloquei isso ele não te contou né 😌🤳#
@@marcorodrigues8303 Translation "why doesn't he talk about the red button that he triggered the nuclear bomb in au will and iraq. I blocked it he didn't tell you right"
Reply: i have no idea wth you're talking about?? 🤔 We are talking about JFK Junior NOT senior... who are you talking about?? 🤔
This is excellent. Errors that go unnoticed. A heartbreaker. Thank you for this decent and informative work on this issue. Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg endured her father's assassination, uncles’ assassination, mother's death, brother, his wife, and sister-in-law’s death, a number of family tragedies and bad behaviors published sparing few if any gruesome details and even worse from the tabloids and asked the public for nothing. Like the RF there were plenty of detractors of her family that did not hesitate to excavate a past she had no responsibility for other than using her recognizable name.
I've never heard Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg whine. She lost a parent at an even earlier age - with gruesome film recording it, replayed in the media periodically. When Caroline speaks about her father, it is not retrospective, but prospective. She speaks about the duty her father inspired in so many
One of the most compassionate comments I’ve ever read. I totally agree. Thank you so much! Best regards, Tim
Right on! 👍.
28:54 was John F. truly highly trained and proficient? I thought he was not regarded as such/
Is this to argue whether they actually survived or ñot I believe they survived
JFK, Jr. was a lovely man, so kind and sincere. He lived near me, and I often saw him on his bike. He was friendly and said hi to everyone. I think about what Rose said after his dad was killed. She said that she doesn’t think about what might have been or what could have been had he lived. I do think about what might have been and what could have been. He had so much to offer our world. I’m sorry he died so young.
Excellent video! So very thoughtful and meticulously researched!! Excellent.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I just studied for, and passed the instrument rating FAA test. All of what you just presented with the graveyard spiral was covered in the book, and there are questions in the test bank that cover it. The procedure set forth in the usual attitude section showing a turning, nose low attitude indicator are clearly spelled out. 1) reduce power to idle. 2) level wings. 3) begin a climb and add power. Pulling back on the yoke could have overstressed the wings and pulled them off the plane at that speed because the load factor increases exponentially when back pressure is applied in a steep turn. This proved the spatial disorientation theory you presented, because he at some point had to review that material in his training, and would have known what to do, but being disoriented, and not believing what the instruments are telling you do make perfect sense for what happened. It's so sad that he lost his life. RIP.
Wrong. 100%. Ask your FI about the 100% safety factor and tearing the wings off. Laughable.
I remember this like it was yesterday. Just awful 😢
I had some hope he was alive, but now I feel sad.😪
Me too
Just Awful...I was in such denial.
I continued to believe that he was clinging to a rock...gorgeously...just clinging to a rock.
What a Fool believes.
I think there are many of us who will never forget this. And also remembered the photos of that little boy saluting his father's funeral cortege, even further back. These pictures never really fade.
Call me crazy but I still have hope that he’s out there with his wife and his sister-in-law.
Your animated depiction of the darkness and haze was spot on; I am a retired ATP and I was operating a Piper Navajo on an IFR flight from KTEB to KACK just a few minutes ahead of Mr. Kennedy, at an altitude of 7000'. The visibility that evening was adequate for VFR flight UNTIL one reached the Vineyard Sound...open water with no ground based lights or any horizon to see. Once over the Sound, I could not see anything as you described, "murky blackness". I recall (then called) Otis Approach saying something about a missing airplane after I landed at Nantucket, everybody had heard about it. Very sad. I heard that his original plan was to go to Hyannis direct and if so, he would not have lost visual contact with the ground flying along the coast.
Thank you for sharing this. It was a real challenge to create a video of an airplane flying in the inky darkness. Your comment sounds very familiar to one of the pilot statements I read in the NTSB report. What are the odds this comment is from the same pilot? At any rate, thanks again and cheers, Tim
@steve emery I’m so sorry about the troll/hater attack. I typically try to eradicate the pond scum before it sinks to the bottom. I have dealt with @Cerebro Brother and we won’t be hearing from him again. I really appreciate your comment and respect your feedback. Trolls and haters are miserable whiners that waste a lot of energy trying to pull the decent people down to their level. Now there’s one less annoying punk in here. Cheers, Tim
@@FSMaNiA Thanks Tim. Once again, nice work on your video.
Events that I remember exactly where I was. The Challenger tragedy, JFK Jr plane crash, 9/11 and Jan 6 2021. Heart breaking 💔.
We appreciate you for this. I literally cried at the end.
I was flying out of La Guardia heading to Tampa the evening that John died right around 7-7:30 pm. I distinctly remember looking out of the plane window and thinking that the sky appeared so creepy and hazy...just very unusual. Gave me the shivers. Little did I know John would crash at the same time I was landing. RIP.
Growing up in the Northeast, and having worked around boats and ships for years, fog can be quite commonplace during the summers.
What you saw was probably a foreboding.
Wow!
@CoolerKitty Cat Toy
I was living in Metro West Mass at the time and you're correct. The sky was Very Strange those few days with a Weird Haze and Invisible Horizon, I really don't know how to describe it but I have never seen a sky like that before or since....
@@charles1964 Than you so much for backing me up Charles, as I thought I was the only one. I am not psychic by any means, but something strange was gong on that night. I was born in NY, and I know what the sky is supposed to look like, and something was off that night. But it was more than what the sky/atmosphere looked like, it was what it FELT like. Very eerie. Bless you for reaching out as I have been troubled for years about what I experienced but had no one to talk to about it.
I never heard the eulogy before, and it touched me deeply. What a sad ending to these three young lives. Thank you for the best explanation of this accident, and for no judgement or condemnation. It’s by far the best video about JFK Jr.’s tragic accident. May all three rest in peace.
I think you're right on about mis-tuning the ATIS as being a contributing factor. During my first cross-country solo, I was (ironically) flying over Caldwell airport, headed to Morristown airport, and I had forgotten to change the radio frequency to Morristown tower. When I called "Morristown tower", I was almost at the class D perimeter, and the response on the radio was "You're still with Caldwell". I had no idea what this meant. Did I miss a step, and I had to talk to Caldwell for some reason? I called back and said "what does that mean?" He told me I was still talking with Caldwell and had to tune in Morristown. When I did, I was very late, and unluckily, there was a ton of traffic there, and I was told angrily to just fly north for a while. This was at the end of a stressful flight, and I was a bit low on fuel because I had neglected to fill up at an earlier airport. Mistakes cascading... Long story short, I got extremely lucky. Things go smoothly so much of the time, that when one or another event that we unconsciously depend on for orientation doesn't happen exactly in the sequence we're used to, we can lose that all-important cool head. Thanks for this video. A compassionate look at an important and instructive event in aviation history.
Thanks much for sharing your experience. Most people will admit (if they are honest) to having escaped catastrophe by a slim margin at least once. Cheers
I learned a lot from your video. Thanks for the context.
One small mistake (at 4:27): John was the oldest (not only) son of President Kennedy. His brother Patrick only lived for a couple of days in August 1963 and is buried with his parents in Arlington Cemetary.
You did such a great job explaining how the accident happened to people who don't understand too much about aviation. Thank you for this video.
Thank you kindly for the positive feedback. I really appreciate the kind words of encouragement. Best regards, Tim
The words at the end are the most beautiful tribute to this young man. It's really sad that they passed away very young. 38:51...it breaks my heart 💔
Those were his Uncle Ted’s words during his eulogy.
@@bradmarcum2927 I didn't know. Thanks for commenting.
Thank you so much for such a detailed and informative video. Your emotions and great respect for John and his family made this video special. Thank you again.❤
Beautiful comment, thank you.
This event was as heart wrenching and indelible as his father’s loss. One of those very few memories that forever will never forget where we were how we heard and how we felt.
What a beautiful statement by the narrator at the end.
@Donde Merlin How about you not sounding like a ‘sap’?! Because that was taken from his uncle Ted Kennedy’s eulogy from his funeral. You have no common sense.
@Donde Merlin those were the words of his Uncle Ted during his eulogy.
So sad he was loved so much. Zimbabwe 🇿🇼
Rhodesia
You'll see him soon ..because THEY AREN'T DEAD!
Ive never been on a plane and never will. I remember being at the beach and turning on the tv and hearing the news. I was just stunned.
Thank you for this calm rendition of the facts, it serves not just to stave off the chaos of rumor, speculation and frustration, but most importantly it gives understanding.
He seemed like a good person with goals to help people. Your reading of the eulogy was perfect.
The casualties rarely deserve their fates, but the least we can do is grant them peace. Everlasting.
W.O.W. What a list of knowledge is mandatory to know when flying a private plane at night! I speak fluid English and could barely process all the words disseminated in this video-oh I dearly wish those 3 had rented rooms in NJ and taken off the following morning in daylight. Sigh.
@PTS the weather along the entire route was absolutely VFR. I have read every forecast, every ASOS from 15 different stations along the route. All VFR. KMVY (Martha’s Vineyard) ASOS (Automated Surface Observation System) reported 10 miles visibility and clear skies before and after the 2141 time of accident. It’s all in the NTSB report. Do you know what VFR weather minimums are? Sorry to burst your self righteous bubble. Cheers
Many thanks for the replies... I would respond to each of you but I am not actually aware of which information is most valuable to read here. 🍀 Good luck is wished for each of you & please stay safe and strong 💪
@@FSMaNiA Thank you so much. The self appointed internet experts hear gossip that fits their pre-conceived value judgments and suddenly... Voila! Mystery SOLVED! We have confirmation bias. Good luck dislodging that bone. 😠
This is what I can't stand about the internet. It makes certain people believe they know more than the experts: actually trained (and even certified) to investigate such things. I have a great science background which taught me to shut up, rely on the people who know what they are talking about: experts, academics, scientists, etc. (They do this for a living.)
No matter how well read we are, we can't possibly know enough about everything. Highly technical investigations of plane crashes, mass casualty events like 9/11, building collapses like the condo in FL all demand a certain minimal level of expertise.
Stay tuned bc that condo collapse will generate an entire slew of new conspiracies. Probably blaming people with no connection whatsoever. 🙄😟😡
Thank you for this excellent comment. I agree 100%. I spent most of my professional career relying/depending on experts in their fields. In this video I leaned heavily on the NTSB Report. The NTSB leaned heavily on experts in numerous fields for their investigation. Having thoroughly read/studied the NTSB detailed documentation I can testify to a steady stream of misinformation being regurgitated by a lot of folks. My goal has been to provide an accurate recreation of John's flight and hopefully help another pilot from making a similar mistake.
@@FSMaNiA thanks for putting this together. I live in the area of Va. Beach and recall sometime back, in the 80's I think. A Navy pilot flew into the ocean. Reports was he descended at a gradual descent and literally just flew it in, never realizing or failed to realize until to late. I mention as it was the first time I heard about spatial disorientation.
I was 24 years old when this happened and I remember being so affected by the death of someone I had never met. After watching your video and watching it unfold in the simulator made me once again realize the meaning of the saying “when it’s your time, it’s your time.” JFK JR., his wife and her sister were just gone too soon. I think the world hoped he would live a longer life than his father and that’s probably one of the fascinations I had about him since he didn’t seem to have any political ambitions but just wanted to help people and was super down to earth for someone in the spotlight bearing that last name & family history.
Very well said and thank you kindly! Best regards, Tim
was also 24 in most of 1999 :)
I was 24, a mother of two.. when I heard about his passing I was caring for my two daughters when I heard of his passing, I was devastated and saddened, though he hadn’t got any political ambition, I had hope that one day he would run for Presidency.
@@VampireKnight1972 I was so devastated. Like I thought about the kennedys and the besette parents who lost both their daughters. I thought he would make a difference in the world no matter what. I felt robbed that he died so young.
@@xengzulueta147 my thought was even though he passed so young he left much kindness and goodness so he did make a difference
That flight simulation was surprisingly effective. Seeing the altimeter winding down kicked in my anxiety
RIP
John F. Kennedy Jr.
(1960-1999)
Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy
(1966-1999)
and
Lauren Bessette
(1964-1999)
None of them died. They didn't get on the plane. The plane crash was planned by JFK Jr. because he knew Clintons wanted him dead. Navy Seals got the pilot to safety.
JFK Jr. called in as a guest under an assumed name to William Cooper's radio program approximately a week after the crash and discussed his plane crash. JFK Jr said the war was between thr Crown and the Lodge and he knew they wanted him dead.
JFK Jr Caroline and Lauren are very much alive.
I met JFK jr at the Norwood airport a few months before this accident when he still was flying the Cessna. We chatted for a time at the FBO. I was a CFII at the time and mentioned to him that I few my students down to Martha's Vinyard for my student s requirements for the 50 mile night flight. I mentioned to him that MVY can fog-in in a matter of seconds and encouraged him to get his instruments rating. He said he was working on it. I have no doubt that the Saratoga complexity and his just released foot out of a cast was a contributing factor in this accident. What a tragic loss
Wow what a great story! Would you mind if I posted it on my Instagram page dedicated to him? What was he like in person? Did photos do him justice?
@@qazmanchannel sure post the story Thanks
I am not a pilot but have vacationed on Nantucket (island near Martha’s Vineyard) many times when I was younger. There were several times while out by the water that fog rolled in so thick that I was disoriented, to the point of nauseousness, standing on the beach. It was very eerie - you could not see just inches in front of you. I never experienced fog like that anywhere else. When I first heard about the plane crash the first thing that came to mind was that fog.
@@jlynn9451 weather modification
@@shawnferguson8387 seek professional help.
I was at work when it came over the radio. I started crying and called my Mother. I'd just lost my own brother in February. My heart broke for Caroline.
@Shannon Hughes Thank you for sharing! Cheers, Tim
This is one of the best vids I’ve ever watched on RUclips, no matter the subject, and I’ve been watching YT for years. Bravo and thank you!
Wow! Thank you too!
My father was an AF pilot for decades. Even he has times when this disorder became apparent in IFR conditions but it was his training that kept him alive in these situations and his confidence in the aircraft instruments. I feel as a pilot of over 40 years that the weak link is not in the training but in the pilots ability to remain calm. John seemingly had enough pilot training but lacked in his confidence when making crucial decisions when necessary, and alsomaybe not flying regularly to stay current with his skills and abilities.
I met him. Shook his hand. My hands were shaking during this video. RIP.
When JFK was assassinated I was in my 2nd grade classroom. All the teachers gathered in the hallway. We could hear them weeping in halls of marble, wood and glass. We were silent at our desks.
When the news broke that John Jr. was missing I was in a cab on my way to the Met with a friend from Bermuda to a Van Gogh exhibit.
The moments one never forgets.
I was also in my 2nd grade classroom when the news broke of President Kennedy’s assassination.
me, too, in 2nd grade. I remember Oswald getting shot on live TV on Sunday. Then the funeral on Monday. Surrealistic for us young kids to take in! Country hasn't been the same since.
I was in the first grade. One of the other students was listening to her radio and told us the president had been shot. We were at recess and were called inside and the principal announced the president had been shot. I just remember her crying. Don't think I really understood.
@@nana820able I was in 2nd grade and like you, didn't really understand. But by looking at the adults around us we knew something was very wrong. Probably affects us to this day.
I was in thee 3rd grade in a catholic school .. we were told he had been shot and we went to thee church next door to pray for him ..
I remember watching TV Sunday when Oswald was shot ..
Informative, respectful & ultimately very emotional. Thank you for this fascinating film.
This was such an incredibly compassionate and thorough examination of a tragedy. Thank you for that .
What a great tribute to John. I remember the day it happened. I was stunned and devastated back then, as the whole world was. Your words at the end were so touching they brought tears to my eyes…’ From the day he was born he became a part of us all. We knew his name even before he did.’🙏🏻
Both John Jr. And Lisa Marie Pressly had the haunting daily reminder that the nation knew their fathers better then they did, so sad.
Sorry, but it the whole world even if his father was a president of the US...
I'm not a pilot... I'm not an American (British), but I knew his name, and that of his father. When this showed on my feed I decided to watch it. I'm glad I did. You did an incredible job explaining how, and why, 'things happened'. It was an emotional ride for me, and I am not embarrassed to say I lost it when you choked up... just as I did when I watched that little boy salute his father's coffin all those years ago.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge mate... a sad video indeed, but one I am glad to have watched.
This was the most informative video ive yet to see about this event. And beautifully done as well. Fascinating being able to follow exactly what you were describing and im no pilot. I dont even like flying anymore. I remember well where i was when i heard the news that his plane was lost. I stood with a group of mostly strangers staring in silence at the TV that was hung high up in the corner of the store/ restaurant where we'd stopped for gas before hitting I -75 back home from a weekend camping trip. The news was surreal.
So very tragic. A nice thoughtful tribute to John Jr, his wife, and sister in law. RIP.
Rest in peace
His not dead though.
Or there not dead.🙏🙏
@@bettyfiamengo6008 exactly
They are alive
Amen
He s not dead … he will come out soon to be Vice President of Trump …wake up people