There are two pianists who speak to my condition : Cortot and Pogorelich. Between them both there's little else to be said. What a joy to hear this extraordinary Sonata by Chopin interpretetd by him. The sonority projected by the opening four semiquavers is enough to move mountains! What I love most is how Pogorelich approaches music from the inside out - like a composer - and how blessed I feel for the sharing! Phillip Wilcher
Pogorelic is born at Belgrade and at 11 he went to Moscow and than all over the world that's why it's such a nosense to give him national caracter.He is world citizen but first of all genius
Very much alive and in the top form! On 28 August 2009, a month after the concert in Croatia, he gave a concert in Edinburgh, Usher Hall, followed by very positive reviews in major UK newspapers. One ends with the remark 'breathtaking'! Some reviewers remain confused, though.
Cristian k. he does not born in Croatia but in Belgrade Serbia,however he start to play piano, 4years old at Belgrade school academy than at 11 he went To Moscow, exuse if it is not important...however that what containds is that Pogorelic is piano genius all the time for me.Love you Ivo
Very true! I remember attending one of his recitals many years ago and as his sound enveloped the hall with it's many wonders, two loved ones sitting rows ahead sat arm in arm and took his playing to them like a blanket of warm sounds. I adore his playing... Phillip Wilcher (composer)
Pogorelich is one of my favorite pianist (both living and dead), no matter people agree with his interpretation or not, he never stop doing what he wants.
Pogorelich was playing this Sonata recently at the concert in Porec/Croatia (28 July 2009) demonstrating the same level of delicacy and imagination as 25 years ago!
Rubinstein arrived in Sydney the same day as The Beatles in 1964 and stayed in a hotel across from theirs. Rubinstein's fans outdid The Beatles parading signs reading: "We love you Arthur" and "Arthur is smarter!". Rubinstein said he was glad The Beatles didn't play Chopin! What a wonderful spirit he had!
es its a very tough world we are living in at the moment. will not be better soon.... but there are still musicians and composers out there who do good work and don t let go despite the difficulties. I just discovered a composer in america who composes great works in harmonic style not coping messiaen or boulez and so on.... who respects the natural harmonies like bach did and chopin without being an epigone... There are great people out there..... lets be optimistic....
Ah Rubinstein! Yes! His performance of the Brahms A major Intermezzo and then his Last Concert For Israel - those cavalric octaves in the Chopin Polonaise - incredible!
this a very good interpretation . and the melting of his body with the piano is a pleasure to watch... yes this pianist has enourmous potentialities and things to say.... Although with a bad reputation for some extremely choices of tempi he could get famous when not winning the chopin competition. martha Argerich left the jury as a protest that he did not win.....
there is no reason why it shouldn t be as good as 25 ears ago, its like bicycle, once you learned it you can do it. except if the body does not work any more. Its all in the brain.... He had alot of chance to have had such a good teacher and guide.
exact there is the problem, Pogorelich never stops doing what he wants.... is not an example to give for the next generation of musicians. But an interesting pianist of course I agree to this. when you have listened to all richter recordings on youtube you will change mind Lipatti and Kapell were there also...
Richters mother did not even allow herself to see her son, as she had the fear to disturb his career. It was a very delicate situation politically for them all.... You have it in her interview she gave where even then she was very careful what to say and what not . Richter was the"property" of the russian regime like Gilels was. His ilnesses are legendary.... His career was stopped brutally in later years.... although there was much left worth to hear...
I don t know the argerich career in detail, she was a very talented child and plays very good. Thats interesting me, of course there is no doubt wihout being protected today you are not able to play. I tried to make recordings seriously in poland and was stopped as I don t have protections through friends or a clique as you say. anyway does not matter. I maybe am more free than Martha Argerich.... Its so easy to stop a career and so difficult to build up one which lasts....
I think it was a magic time after second world war. a period of construction after so much destruction.... where are today the generous people who helped out and were interested in the career of pianists?.. big talents had their chance. music had a high status in society. today no more . where are the people who prepared famous recordings like walter legge or concert agents like hurok or glotz.... gone.... where are the white house recitals... gone... the invitations to buckingham palace....
not as pure and innocent as it should be but i must admit it's good and that makes this very exceptional. just make sure you listen to other pianists also.
Part1. I think that uharchristian is basically correct in his/her standpoint that Ivo Pogorelich should not be a subject of any patriotic (or nationalistic) euphoria of us, Croats. While it's clear and understandable that Ivo's decision to identify himself as Croat made many of us happy (he, for sure, had other options as well!) but we also have to be aware that the resources of his remarkable artistry have very little to do with the Croatian cultural herritage.
Part2. The level of artistic and intellectual integrity of Ivo Pogorelich is incompatible with setting boundaries of any national culture (even if it would be much prominent than the Croatian one). Especially in view of the fact that in Ivo' official biography, as presented by his artistic manager, no national identifier has been set I think that we Croats should not push this point above the level of common sense and good taste.
j ai assistè de mes propres yeux et oreilles... par contre vous avez raison la vie privèe de S.Richter concerne que lui et ses proches. De tout facon cela est plus ou moins connu d ailleurs. Comme la vie de Horowitz egalement.... Mais sans ce detail il n aurait pas etè un artiste d une si grande sensibilitè ce qui fait partie de son jeux de piano. Je pense il etait aussi genial que Kapell ou Lipatti mais il avait plus de temps pour faire beaucoup et aller au bout du possible..
Well, this is the pianist who, when eliminated in the 3rd round of the Int'l Frederic Chopin Piano Competition in 1980, precipitated Martha Argerich (1st place 1965) quitting the jury, proclaiming him as a "genius." I think I'll hold her opinion in higher regard than yours, if that's OK with you.
no one choses where he will be born, he lives in Croatia and teaches in Opatija-Croatia, and he is actualy from pag-croatian island, like his brother and his whole family. He is Croatian artist, not serbian.
the brahms concerto in israel rubinstein played when 91 years old is an astonishing document.... he was already blind.... if Kapell would have lived longer he would have been more important than rubinstein. Lipatti was good but not that good to say he would have done more and better than rubinstein. argerich did a good career also. Yes the souvenirs of rubinstein are very interesting to read....
well he did not learn the croat tradition of piano music but the european tradition of romantic and classical music. In that sense he is not croat but a brilliant international musician!!! Come on let your nationalist proudness away when speaking about music. Music every child in the world understands. You don t need to be croat to understand Mozart or Chopin.... But be proud that your country did let him study and let him get where he is today..... a musician admired by the whole world.
well you are right the young people and also the poor should have acces, today they have wih radio television CD its easy but there is no more space for real sensitive artists !!!!! Look how much he bad stupid music gets money and look how little is left for those who work hard to get at a level of Pogorelich or Kapell Lipatti Horowitz Rubinstein Argerich..... A good career goes only with politics and even with its extremely hard to survive..... No I don t like the actual system !!!!!!!!!
Richter se comportait d une facon erange avec son public. cela ne lui faisait pas plaisir de l approcher. son dernier recital a Paris il se cachai derriere une colonne au foyer e son agent demandait que ou le monde part aurement il ne sera jamais sorti du baiment. un moment triste a voir mais il avai des ennemis (c etait politique evidemment et il semble avoir trop souffert de trop des choses. il n eai pas fou mais il avait tres peur, pas sans raison a mon avis...).
have no problen with the fact ivo pogorelich was born in croatie. He then went away to live in scotland where he bought a castle, I think thats right.... i just don t like the nationalism on the wrong place.... pogorelich is european and world citicen. thats a fact !!!! do you know where he pays his financial taxes ? in croatie? would be interesting to know if he is that much croat....
There are two pianists who speak to my condition : Cortot and Pogorelich. Between them both there's little else to be said. What a joy to hear this extraordinary Sonata by Chopin interpretetd by him. The sonority projected by the opening four semiquavers is enough to move mountains! What I love most is how Pogorelich approaches music from the inside out - like a composer - and how blessed I feel for the sharing!
Phillip Wilcher
Gorgeous tone!!
Thank you for bringing me back here to hear this great Artist. :)
Pogorelic is born at Belgrade and at 11 he went to Moscow and than all over the world that's why it's such a nosense to give him national caracter.He is world citizen but first of all genius
Very much alive and in the top form! On 28 August 2009, a month after the concert in Croatia, he gave a concert in Edinburgh, Usher Hall, followed by very positive reviews in major UK newspapers. One ends with the remark 'breathtaking'! Some reviewers remain confused, though.
Cristian k. he does not born in Croatia but in Belgrade Serbia,however he start to play piano, 4years old at Belgrade school academy than at 11 he went To Moscow, exuse if it is not important...however that what containds is that Pogorelic is piano genius all the time for me.Love you Ivo
I am proud to be from Croatia, Ivo is one of the best there is
Just look at his face when he plays, he lives it!!!
Very true! I remember attending one of his recitals many years ago and as his sound enveloped the hall with it's many wonders, two loved ones sitting rows ahead sat arm in arm and took his playing to them like a blanket of warm sounds. I adore his playing...
Phillip Wilcher (composer)
Pogorelich is one of my favorite pianist (both living and dead), no matter people agree with his interpretation or not, he never stop doing what he wants.
wow. you added such a great Pogorelich stuffs here!! and...what a great old VHS tape & its owner!!! :-) thanks a million from korea...
Of, course I have them all. When I have some spare time, I will upload them.
Pogorelich was playing this Sonata recently at the concert in Porec/Croatia (28 July 2009) demonstrating the same level of delicacy and imagination as 25 years ago!
Yes, this is from a VHS tape recorded 23 years ago.
Makes no difference where this outstanding artist coming from, still he is one of the best pianists ever.
Personaly favorite one for good and all !
doesn't matter what the chopin contest's judges said. he is a genius.
He is a real artist: his music tells us things.
Rubinstein arrived in Sydney the same day as The Beatles in 1964 and stayed in a hotel across from theirs. Rubinstein's fans outdid The Beatles parading signs reading: "We love you Arthur" and "Arthur is smarter!". Rubinstein said he was glad The Beatles didn't play Chopin! What a wonderful spirit he had!
its great to see such passion but we don't listen with our eyes
es its a very tough world we are living in at the moment. will not be better soon.... but there are still musicians and composers out there who do good work and don t let go despite the difficulties. I just discovered a composer in america who composes great works in harmonic style not coping messiaen or boulez and so on.... who respects the natural harmonies like bach did and chopin without being an epigone... There are great people out there..... lets be optimistic....
Ah Rubinstein! Yes! His performance of the Brahms A major Intermezzo and then his Last Concert For Israel - those cavalric octaves in the Chopin Polonaise - incredible!
NICE! IVO IS A GOD...
this a very good interpretation . and the melting of his body with the piano is a pleasure to watch... yes this pianist has enourmous potentialities and things to say.... Although with a bad reputation for some extremely choices of tempi he could get famous when not winning the chopin competition. martha Argerich left the jury as a protest that he did not win.....
you make me lough....
Does anyone know his hand reach? His hands seem enormous from this angle. 12 notes perhaps?
falcord 15
@@Ivan_1791 15 is equivalent to 2 octaves 😂 I think it's more 12 indeed!
there is no reason why it shouldn t be as good as 25 ears ago, its like bicycle, once you learned it you can do it. except if the body does not work any more. Its all in the brain.... He had alot of chance to have had such a good teacher and guide.
Perfect!!
celestial!!!
exact there is the problem, Pogorelich never stops doing what he wants.... is not an example to give for the next generation of musicians. But an interesting pianist of course I agree to this. when you have listened to all richter recordings on youtube you will change mind Lipatti and Kapell were there also...
Richters mother did not even allow herself to see her son, as she had the fear to disturb his career. It was a very delicate situation politically for them all.... You have it in her interview she gave where even then she was very careful what to say and what not . Richter was the"property" of the russian regime like Gilels was. His ilnesses are legendary....
His career was stopped brutally in later years.... although there was much left worth to hear...
I don t know the argerich career in detail, she was a very talented child and plays very good. Thats interesting me, of course there is no doubt wihout being protected today you are not able to play. I tried to make recordings seriously in poland and was stopped as I don t have protections through friends or a clique as you say. anyway does not matter. I maybe am more free than Martha Argerich.... Its so easy to stop a career and so difficult to build up one which lasts....
I think it was a magic time after second world war. a period of construction after so much destruction.... where are today the generous people who helped out and were interested in the career of pianists?.. big talents had their chance. music had a high status in society. today no more . where are the people who prepared famous recordings like walter legge or concert agents like hurok or glotz.... gone.... where are the white house recitals... gone... the invitations to buckingham palace....
not as pure and innocent as it should be but i must admit it's good and that makes this very exceptional. just make sure you listen to other pianists also.
Part1.
I think that uharchristian is basically correct in his/her standpoint that Ivo Pogorelich should not be a subject of any patriotic (or nationalistic) euphoria of us, Croats. While it's clear and understandable that Ivo's decision to identify himself as Croat made many of us happy (he, for sure, had other options as well!) but we also have to be aware that the resources of his remarkable artistry have very little to do with the Croatian cultural herritage.
Part2.
The level of artistic and intellectual integrity of Ivo Pogorelich is incompatible with setting boundaries of any national culture (even if it would be much prominent than the Croatian one). Especially in view of the fact that in Ivo' official biography, as presented by his artistic manager, no national identifier has been set I think that we Croats should not push this point above the level of common sense and good taste.
j ai assistè de mes propres yeux et oreilles...
par contre vous avez raison la vie privèe de S.Richter concerne que lui et ses proches. De tout facon cela est plus ou moins connu d ailleurs. Comme la vie de Horowitz egalement.... Mais sans ce detail il n aurait pas etè un artiste d une si grande sensibilitè ce qui fait partie de son jeux de piano. Je pense il etait aussi genial que Kapell ou Lipatti mais il avait plus de temps pour faire beaucoup et aller au bout du possible..
Well, this is the pianist who, when eliminated in the 3rd round of the Int'l Frederic Chopin Piano Competition in 1980, precipitated Martha Argerich (1st place 1965) quitting the jury, proclaiming him as a "genius."
I think I'll hold her opinion in higher regard than yours, if that's OK with you.
no one choses where he will be born, he lives in Croatia and teaches in Opatija-Croatia, and he is actualy from pag-croatian island, like his brother and his whole family. He is Croatian artist, not serbian.
i think my teacher told me his hands could reach a 13th
the brahms concerto in israel rubinstein played when 91 years old is an astonishing document.... he was already blind....
if Kapell would have lived longer he would have been more important than rubinstein. Lipatti was good but not that good to say he would have done more and better than rubinstein. argerich did a good career also. Yes the souvenirs of rubinstein are very interesting to read....
well, thats your opinion. Mine is ballade No.4
Nevertheless this is a wonderfull sonata.
It's fine to have an opinion, but please explain.
Do you have hi-fi? Please?
10th?? I heard a 12th.
Horowitz did some good work in the scherzi of chopin, don t you think so?.....
NOT Katsaris!!! for righteousness' sake... others, like Lipatti for example. there's a posting.
bio je veliki uzor pokojnoj margiti stefanovic
well he did not learn the croat tradition of piano music but the european tradition of romantic and classical music. In that sense he is not croat but a brilliant international musician!!!
Come on let your nationalist proudness away when speaking about music. Music every child in the world understands. You don t need to be croat to understand Mozart or Chopin....
But be proud that your country did let him study and let him get where he is today..... a musician admired by the whole world.
well you are right the young people and also the poor should have acces, today they have wih radio television CD its easy but there is no more space for real sensitive artists !!!!! Look how much he bad stupid music gets money and look how little is left for those who work hard to get at a level of Pogorelich or Kapell Lipatti Horowitz Rubinstein Argerich..... A good career goes only with politics and even with its extremely hard to survive..... No I don t like the actual system !!!!!!!!!
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Richter se comportait d une facon erange avec son public. cela ne lui faisait pas plaisir de l approcher. son dernier recital a Paris il se cachai derriere une colonne au foyer e son agent demandait que ou le monde part aurement il ne sera jamais sorti du baiment. un moment triste a voir mais il avai des ennemis (c etait politique evidemment et il semble avoir trop souffert de trop des choses. il n eai pas fou mais il avait tres peur, pas sans raison a mon avis...).
have no problen with the fact ivo pogorelich was born in croatie. He then went away to live in scotland where he bought a castle, I think thats right.... i just don t like the nationalism on the wrong place.... pogorelich is european and world citicen. thats a fact !!!! do you know where he pays his financial taxes ? in croatie? would be interesting to know if he is that much croat....
Christian Kircher dude hes born in BELGRADE = SERBIA.
Learn to encode videos please
would like to know what pogorelich thinks about your nationalism.... by the way croatia has gay rights? because he is gay...
his chopin second sonata mov 1 is much more impressive than this..
reduce your text, nOOb