Players-Distance Irons Comparison | i525, Rogue ST Pro, KING Forged Tec, Mizuno Pro 225
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- The Players-Distance Irons available in 2022 include the PING i525, Callaway Rogue ST Pro, Cobra KING Forged Tec, and the Mizuno Pro 225 irons. Each of these players-distance irons is designed to deliver explosive distance without sacrificing forgiveness and workability.
In this video, 2nd Swing's Thomas Campbell and Drew Mahowald conduct a Trackman Test featuring each of these players-distance irons to identify the similarities and differences. The players-distance irons category is terrific for the experienced golfer that isn't quite ready to play the small, compact players iron.
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So great you guys got out on a real grass range to do the test! Can't judge turf interaction indoors. Hope it continues.
Thanks for watching, best part of having a few months outside in Minnesota - Thomas
(My handicap is down to a 3) Your video made me happy I chose the Rogue ST Pros. I'm constant with my irons now and they are still forgiving. I was 2', 3', 5', and 11' from the holes on our 4 Par 3's last Friday. I'm starting to figure these ST Pros out. I'm really happy with them. My original problem was lack of spin and distance. I gained 10 yards per club after replacing my PXG Gen 3s and my spin increased which increased my stopping power. Overall, I couldn't be happier with my Rogue ST Pro irons.
So glad to hear that the Rogue ST Pros are working great for you. Sounds like a great match - Thomas
Sounds great! What shaft did you go with?
@@antoniom5440 fujikura 75s
Great video comparison although I did experience something different when comparing the 225 with the 525. I found the longer irons (4-7) in the 225 much less forgiving than the 525. The 525s were also launching higher and much more easily than the Mizunos. Now when it came to sound and feel the 225s were much better and look better as well but I could not ignore the difference in performance in those longer irons.
Thanks for sharing!
I tried both the MP 225 and Ping i525 and got virtually identical numbers. The Mizuno feel won it for me. The Ping has a noticeable ‘crack’ that was a bit off putting IMO. Thanks to the popularity of the P790 this category has really caught the attention of a wide range of golfers and OEMs.
Thanks for your feedback. Yes we can't forget about the P790's but you are in great hands with MP 225 - Thomas
Me too. Same reason I went for the 225’s over 525’s
Almost always the issue with Ping, for me.
I game those Cobra Tec and they are distance bangers for sure. Worth the money.
Thanks for your feedback. Glad to hear you found some great irons - Thomas
Good review. Everyone needs to get fitted. I525 spun at 4500. Forged Tec climbed up to 6000 for me with 7 iron
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Love the cobra’s. I have no problem getting them to stop for me. Plenty of height to stop it.
Agree with you as I bought them too....only thing I am finding is that if the ball is sitting up in the rough it's easy to have it come off very high on the face and then it knuckles and ends up 20 yards short even if struck well. I haven't seen any hollow body irons yet where they are hollow only on the bottom of the face.
Thanks for your feedback! Glad they launch well for you. - Thomas
Would’ve like to see Wilson D9 Forged up against this bracket as a lower cost option
Good suggestion and you're not the only one to mention D9 Forged - Thomas
@@2ndswing well… it is the Goldilocks iron Thomas. Looks, forged sound and feel, not quite as long as hollow bodied irons but not far off them in terms of distance - and probably won’t get those occasional jumpers that go 10-15 yards longer. I’d sacrifice 5 yards for better consistency, and especially the sound and feel. Oh… and save a few bucks too!
Seriously considering new clubs in this class, thanks for the information.
Thanks for watching - Thomas
You definitely need to compare the Wilson D9 forged irons - I have not tried the Rogue ST Pro irons but I had a set of the Ping G425s - PXG Gen 5 P series - and a Demo Ping i525 7 iron and I now have the Wilson D9 Forged irons and they performed the best with tighter dispersion- The D9s are about 2 yards less than the Ping i525 7 iron but the D9s had 500 more spin and the feel is way better for the Wilson D9 Forged irons with very little offset like the i525 irons- Not to mention how much cheaper they are than the Ping i525s or the PXG irons
current set is st pros. ive used i525 much of last year... ping was far less forgiving. this mishits were super punishing especially thin shots, my mis. even slightly thin always short way short. 1st thin shot with st pro was actually back of green. despite me not loving the look they have proven to be a great set so far...4 weeks in.
I know that it is a much less popular iron but would like to see the Wilson D9 Forged thrown into the mix.
There have been a couple of viewers mentioning D9 Forged. We don't sell much of them but I agree that it's a good option in this category - Thomas
I tried all of these except the mizuno 225's becsuse they are not offered in left hand. Forge tec was a clear cut winner for me !!! Best feeling , most accurate and most distance.
Thanks for your feedback. Those Forged Tec irons get better and better - Thomas
Interestingly enough, when I went for my iron fitting, the final 2 were the Callaway and the Ping. The deciding factor had nothing to do with performance. I simply liked the looks of the Ping more than the Callaway.
Appreciate your feedback - Thomas
Interesting about the forgiveness comment. I have tried all of these apart from the forgetec and I found the ST Pro by far the most forgiving. (HCP 19) So much so I actually just ordered some.
Glad to hear you have found some irons that are great for you! - Thomas
Thomas,
More forgiving out of Mizuno 225 or P790? Which one has more spin in fittings?
Thanks,
Joe
P790 is a little more forgiving the spin will be similar but P790 will probably go further. - Thomas
@@2ndswing Thomas,
One more question about these two irons. Does the Mizuno 225 have less offset or at least the appearance of less offset than the P790? I have not been able to see the 225 in person yet and Mizuno and Taylormade use different methods for showing the offset. Mizuno in inches and Taylormade in millimeters. Thanks, Joe.
I was expecting the Cobra King Forged Tech to have the longest carry because it has 27* loft and the others are 30 to 30.5. That is also why it has the lowest spin. I am impressed the most with the Callaway Rogue ST Pro due to good carry while also having the most spin, and highest ball speed. Either the Rogue has some magic sauce, or you just hit it best.
The cobra Tec 7 iron is 29.5. The x version is 27
@@suprand You are correct. I looked at the wrong specs. Cobra still has the lowest loft 7-iron, but not a major difference. Likely why its carry was longest, but marginally.
Static loft is also just one variable in the equation.
Thanks for watching this. The X is the stronger Forged Tec iron. End of the day it's going to be player dependent. - Thomas
Interesting video. I haven’t tried the cobras, but have tried all the others. I wanted to like the mizuno the most, but I just don’t. The rogue st pro has something special, in my opinion. Fantastic irons. Great feel considering all of their tech. I wasn’t even expecting to like them, but actually loved them.
Appreciate your feedback - Thomas
Rogue Pro is definitely unexpected giving that ball speed and high spin at the same loft as the rest. This category is pretty interesting because it's not just 4 clubs that do the exact same thing.
Thanks for watching in the end of the day dispersion wins but if that's still good a little extra ball speed doesn't hurt - Thomas
I tried a bunch of these at Cool Clubs in Phoenix, and bought the Callaway Apex 21. The Ping 425 was a close second.
Thanks for your feedback. Next time check out our new store in Scottsdale for your fitting! - Thomas
It's about time you guys do a comparison test for the complete Cobra iron line which includes an average swing player from the Forged Tec X down. Forged Tec, LTDx down to Air Speed. They've got all the boxes checked and lots of great options. Also the LTDx and Forged Tec hybrid.
It's ultimate comparison season for us stay tuned as we test all the clubs and OEM's - Thomas
The Cobra red dispersion circle seem quite a bit larger than it should be. If you look at the 3 others there seems to be much more space from each ball compared to the others, just doesn’t seem right.
That's trackman showing those circles with a larger sample size it may look more obvious which is the most consistent - Thomas
I'd like to see the Callaway Apex21 and the Rogue pro comparison.
Throw in the apex 19’s as a lot of us are still playing them. It’d be nice to see Callaway’s evolution of PD irons over the past 5 years or so.
I think they might have already done it or someone on RUclips has.
Good suggestion. The numbers should be pretty similar based on loft but the Apex21 will be a bit more forgiving and Rogue Pro more workable - Thomas
Great video. I'd like to see how these perform and compare with a lower swing speed - especially since Thomas makes the comment about being concerned that a player with a lower swing speed might have trouble producing a flight with a descent angle that would produce sufficient stopping power. AND I' a bit of a data guy so I'd like to see those numbers even if stopping power weren't a concern.
Project X IO is a very stout shaft. A weaker player will be using a higher launching, higher spinning shaft. Definitely important to get fitted to make sure you have a shaft/combo that gets you the right flight window and stopping power.
@@canyonaro you're correct about both the shaft being a little much for most players who have lower swing speeds and you're also correct that everyone should get fit. However, if you're only comparing products you can still collect that data - more data sets with only one variable, swing speed in this instance, is usually beneficial - remember I'm a data guy. However, having said all of that, I'm more interested in a comparison of the iron heads with a slower swing speed using a shaft more suited to that swing speed.
Actually what would be great would be to compare the iron heads with a slower swing speed using the Project X IO shaft and then compare them again with that slower swing speed and a shaft better suited to that swing speed. That would give you a total of 3 data sets and viewers could actually see the difference in using a shaft that is better fitted for Thomas's swing than a slower swing and an appropriate shaft for that swing speed across all of the iron heads. that would be a great test.
Thanks for your feedback. We know you guys like the slower speed comparisons as well. We will work on getting more of those on the channel - Thomas
@@chrisguider4250 I completely agree but this is a RUclips video, not a research paper 😉
What I REALLY want to see is launch & spin on a 30 degree T100 or Mizuno 221 6-iron at 37.5" compared to these power bats. Ideally, cut it down to 37" to be the same length as these 7-irons. Loft for loft, do you actually win anything in the ball speed/spin tradeoff battle by choosing these models?
I'm going to try this myself with PXG irons because they've made it easy by making their XP irons 1/2" long, so the XP model 8-iron is the exact same loft & length as the T model 7-iron.
You don't consider the T100S in the players' distance category?
I'm guessing players with different swing traits (e.g. steeper AoA) may get different results, especially in terms of spin/carry.
T200 is players distance. T100S is really a cavity back with stronger loft - Thomas
Thomas, what's up with the crater divot pattern, bro? We want to hit stripes so the grass can recover optimally.
Great observation. Unfortunately with Trackman the blue hitting area zone is a square and it's easier to hit that way. Don't worry I fill the divots with sand and seed and its not a large patch - Thomas
@@2ndswing Thanks for the explanation.
I know they are 2021, but the TaylorMade P790's are still the club to beat in this category all around performance.
Very good. Any time I test them they are always near the top - Thomas
I really like those ping i525, but I think they probably go to far for me. They can easily get to 200 yards with a 7 on gc hawk.
Dave what irons do you play? - Thomas
@@2ndswing the OG pxg gen 1 0311 with mmt 105 TX.
What's the results, when you compare this irons with a blade-iron, at the *same* loft?🤔
This video may interest you: ruclips.net/video/gPelg5L_vDE/видео.html We need to do more of this - Thomas
Has Thomas shortened his backswing? Looks more compact but maybe quicker transition.
Transition does get too quick at times. That's one of the biggest things I'm working on. Good observation - Thomas
Wilson D9 Forged are clear winners in this group but not in this test.
D9 Forged get forgotten they are good and cost a little less as well. We really don't fit many but I agree they need to be thrown in more - Thomas
Callaway Rogue St pro feels similar to Mizuno Pro 225 but more forgiving also St Pro doesn’t have any hot spots. St pro’s are the most underrated irons on the market today. Btw shot 69 with my St pro’s
69 great round! glad to hear you found some irons you love - Thomas
I agree. Rogue st pros are a dark horse. Wonderful irons
No zx5????
This was focused on more recent releases but we will make sure to complete an ultimate comparison to include all in this category - Thomas
Surprised to see the Titleist T 200 wasn’t in this mix
This was more focused on more recent releases. But yes we can't forget about those irons - Thomas
My rogue x are still the best for me
Thanks for watching - Thomas
Whers that annoying P790! Its EVERYWHERE ruining my nerves🐶👍🏼
These were newer releases. But P790 would be in the mix for sure. Always performs well - Thomas
Thomas you seem like a good player and good enough to know that you should be hitting down more than 1.3.... Please start actually swinging properly because when you pick it like that and the clubs are already low spin your just magnifying what they do.... I get that you like to hit up on your driver but most good players still find a way to hit down on their irons and up on their drivers, its why many people say you have an iron swing and a driver swing.. Anyways love the content it would just be nice to see, and I don't mean throw the ball back in your stance I mean hit down on it while keeping it where it is in your stance already
If the result is good (and it is), no need to change the swing and what works well for him.
@@lawbinson Especially as good as Thomas hits it...
Good observation. It is the unfortunate effect of hitting off mats inside for too many months of the year. You will be happy to know when I'm swinging well It's about 4* down with the 7iron which allows me to spin the 7iron about 6500-7000