Duncan was legendary throughout the imperium. Those Harkonnens knew exactly who he was and were like, "nah we're good just take the thopter dude". Then they just walk away
@@Glopdemon The Atreides also considered the Harkonnen cowards (and inferior fighters, mostly poorly paid and trained conscripts)....and here they showed both
@@koko40800 Can imagine Harkonnen press ganged and brutalized people into service. Discipline probably kept by fear, these guys may well have ended up in front of a firing squad.
I love how this scene isn't in the book, but it fits so perfectly with Duncan's character that it doesn't matter. A brave daredevil with burning hatred for the Harkonnens, master swordsman, ace 'thopter pilot. This is exactly the kind of departure from the source material that is respectful and adds to the movie.
@@VideoMask93 if I remember correct, Paul and Jessica notices his style of flying with 'thopters before he lands so maybe they wanted to show this with a cool escape scene.
@@LiGd33znu75 They mention it in the movie, but I don't remember it in the book. Or maybe I wrote it off as Paul's budding prescience alerting him to Duncan's presence, rather than noticing how he flew a 'thopter.
i think this is the replacement for Atomics trap from Duncan in the book. This is whats great with this adaptation, whatever changes from the source material, its still make sense.
still baffles me that they would be so casual with their usage though. it touches one shield and BOOM. But you know...rule of cool and all, so I get it.
@@zucc3446 the shield does not "fail" when hit. thats the thing with Holtzmann Shields. They dont have an "overload" threshhold. They can take basicly an indefenite amount of punishment and continue working. Its basicly a highly concentrated field of matter repulsion (meaning basicly what happens when you turn an anti grav to 11 and narrow its effect field to paper thin.) On high settings, even air wont penetrate and these things can run wthout pause, unless you loose your energy supply.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041i still dont get this part. the lore say you shouldnt attack someone or something on shield with lazgun, because it would create a nuke sized explosive. is this true?
0:15 I love the detail of the Harkonen soliders in the back choosing to back off when they see how skillful of a fighter Duncan is. Show's how they aren't just all dumb and blind fighters and are okay with takeing the "he who runs away lives to fight another day" approach.
And then we have Sardaukar who, despite taking heavy losses and dying by Duncan’s blade, just kept fighting and eventually overwhelmed him. I know that the fight in the eco station was meant to showcase Duncan’s badassery but I think it also demonstrated how disciplined and well-trained Sardaukar are, especially compared to the Harkonnens.
@Laken Anderson Star Wars has always been intended for children. What's your point? And not all of it. Andor isn't. Children can watch it, but it has mature themes that will go right over children's heads. It's the best pop culture depiction of how a fascist regime actually works that I've seen in quite awhile.
The villains are so competent in Dune, and that adds to it. While the Harkonnen foot soldiers are way out of their league, there's an immediate counterattack to try and take out Duncan's thopter.
its likely that those were Sardaukar, because no sane Harkonnen or Atreides would use a Lasgun vs a potentially shielded target (the feedback reaction of a lasgun hitting a shield would nuke the entire city)
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Always thought that detail was kinda dumb. Cause explosion and collateral maybe, but nuclear level power level? Just outfit your troops with lasers and make war against you way too costly.
@@tomorbataar5922 basicly it would be as risky to them as to you. on the other hand, when you fire a lasgun, you have to deactivate your shields, so you can get hit by shrapnel etc.
I loved the missile launches in this movie. It reminded me of the way missiles launched in Macross/Robotech back in the 80s. They were always shown as a large clusters of warheads, seemingly flying off in random directions but then all converging on their target at once. Great to see it in live action.
For me the most important part of that scene is that Holtzman Shields are not some no limits fallacies as it seems to be implied, but they can also be overwhelmed by simple excessive firepower. It also means that shields are not some end all be all of warfare, but simply a powerful tool in an arsenal.
One of many examples of the care the director took creating scenes that were only alluded to in the source material. Duncan’s skill with a thopter is mentioned, and when he reunites with Paul and Jessica, Duncan also takes a moment to relish the shield lasgun explosion trap he set during his escape that lights up the sky during their reunion. With this sequence, we are treated to an intelligent and respectful interpretation of something only briefly mentioned in the book. For someone who has read the book at least 10 times in 40’years, it was one of many satisfying moments in this film. There are other subtle examples like this throughout the movie that show how well this director knew and cared about the source story.
The shield in the sand made me laugh. I could just picture the search party desperately flying around slicing up the dunes, and then suddenly the sky lights up and everyone's gone in an instant. The explosion was so devastating that Jessica thought he had used the family atomics at first. Great stuff.
I''ve noticed they have made no mentioned to the shield and laser effect from the books. Plus the shields in the movie are significantly weaker than the book version. I wonder if they just removed that effect. Which would be fine with me, I always thought it was a silly effect anyway.
Like the fact that the harkonnens just give him space and let him pass, makes them seem more like real humans who dont want to die and less like the unthinking minions we see in most action movies
Good job that didn't hit the ornithopter with it's shield on. Also, I like that the bad guys aren't suicidal and will not blindly attack on obviously superior opponent.
I gotta say that having read the novels and watched the two previous screen adaptations multiple times, this is the first time I actually understand how the heck an ornithopter is supposed to work.
Unless I'm supposed to infer that the missile striking the vehicle took out his shield it's a really good thing the Shields didn't get hit by the laser. for those who don't know in the book if a laser hits the shield it essentially becomes a nuke and it's incredibly illegal and if the harkonnen family wasnt being protectes by the emperor it would normally lead to the family's obliteration
I'm actually glad they took that out, as it leads to too many why don't they... There is even some tortured bit from Jessica to Leto about clockwork timers onto shields. It's for me too much to take in, whereas you know the lazer, is just ultimate, but super unweildy, kill.
@@RichestTea but its the whole reason for the cqc that we see in the movie. If you remove that reason then all the styles of fighting are for no reason
@@RichestTea Technically, we don't know if Denis left that out. Maybe he'll show or suggest what the lasguns do upon impact of a shield in Part 2. But I do see how much of a breather it must be to not have to follow the rules in the book.
@@MrNegima10 Dune's worldbuilding is contrived as fuck. I can think of a dozen problems with the swordfighting justification off the top of my head. But I have no problem with it, because I accept that the setting is contrived to fit the story that Frank Herbert was trying to tell. That's true of all fiction, and is an unassailable defence of worldbuilding criticism.
Lasgun-shield feedback causes a subatomic detonation, atomics are a different thing which are illegal to use against an enemy but not 'full stop' illegal. A shield explosion would just be an unfortunate accident, or in the case of the books (when Duncan plants a shield to destroy some enemy ships) a legitimate tactic.
Just drives home how competent the Atreides military was. He jumps in the thopter, takes off and immediately goes for the grounded ships to harm their mobility on the battlefield.
Like with Roosevelt and Death, the Harkonnen and Sardukar had to take the Atriedes by surprise, because if they'd been awake there'd've been (far more of) a fight.
I mean, modern attack helicopters like the ah-64 or ka-52 posses similar capabilities. For instance the former can carry up to 16 anti-tank guided missiles or 4 pods with tens of unguided rockets, while also carrying a heavy canon. So this seems to be about the same as this ornithopter. I’d say in general the weapons in Dune are very well thought out.
Harks are not known for their intelligence but here at 0:18 we see some of the brightest minds of the house, 3 men who know not to fuck with Duncan Idaho.
HOOOOLY SHIT!!!!! That tropter scene was sheer MASTERPIECE, the 1st shots were amazing. Also you can feel duncan's anger with the disaster, already love this character and is fucking sad he dies so soon, jason has an amazing voice.
I'm glad that the whole shield interaction thing with energy weapons is left more open in this movie than in the original books, because it allows for really cool scenes likes energy weapons being used here or to try to cut through a door to chase after Paul later on in the film.
@@rawwad Where are they fired willy nilly? Pretty much the only time I can recall a laser being used was when chasing down Duncan in this scene (to prevent an escape they probably thought it was worth the risk), and to go after Paul and such. Other than that they weren't really used in battle at all. I figure that the movie simply is taking some liberties with the concept from the book of using energy weapons on shields causing a nuclear explosion, because honestly that idea always was kinda dumb. It seems less dumb in my view for shields to simply be impervious to laser weaponry, therefore encouraging the use of other weapons against those with shields. Though the movie does leave things open to interpretation, which I think is fine.
Seems as Duncan's ornithopter is shielded (as seen from the hit it takes), is it wise that the Harkonnens/Sardaukar are targeting him with a lasgun? Where everyone would go KABOOOOOOM!
@@p.k._ That sounds like something the Sardaukar would do. They're lunatics, but _skilled_ lunatics. Training for using a lasgun against a target with a broken shield sounds like their brand of crazy.
duncan did more damage that all the last stand of the atriedes. but the same i fell that the battle in the book had to be more long. it was too quick the fall
I think why cause it was what's known as a blitzkrieg attack, an attack that's supposed to be a fast coordinated attack that disables the enemy before they can react
That's the benefit of taking down a fixed positions communications and first line defenses. The Doctors part in this assault. If your early warning, standoff and coordination options are defeated before you realize it, you aren't a coordinated defense versus a coordinated offense. The offense is inside before you have time to react, so they pick you off piecemeal while you are still trying to figure out what is going on. If you want a real world model of this, look at D-Day. The Nazis knew an attack was coming and were misled on the location and timing and structure. Additionally, Nazi fixed defenses, logistics and communications were enveloped by the naval batteries and troop deployments by sea and the airborne assaults on strongest defensive points and securing routes to maneuver in. The risk to the offense is that if you are wrong in your initial moves or they are anticipated/poorly coordinated, the offense loses elements of surprise and may be annihilated with minimal loss to the defense. It is an all out commitment on offense.
I also agree. It is for me one of the few things that could have made the movie even better - maybe on par with lord of the rings -. I would have loved to have let's say 10/15 minutes more where we can witness the scale of the Harkonnen invasion, the betrayal of Yueh, the despair creeping in. It was still good, but handled way too fast, i couldnt really realize the scale of what was happening. It didnt feel much like a full scale invasion, only a skirmish. I'm pretty sure adding those extra minutes where we see house Atreides fall would have made the rest of the movie more intense. The only other thing that could have been better in my eyes was the way the heat was handled. It should have felt more stressful, more dangerous to roam outside without the stillsuit. It looked more like a cool gadget in the movie than the lifeline it really is. It was good, but could have been better.
Nothing in this scene looked fake. When he's pressing down on the hydraulics, you hear the servo's and machinery doing its work. All the while this intense music with that deep baseline in the end. The special effects were so seamless, I forget, at times, I was watching a film.
I’m no expert in Dune lore, but wouldn’t it be an exceedingly BAD idea if the Harkonnens had actually struck Duncan’s ornithopter with a lasbeam? I’m given to understand that when a lasbeam strikes one of their shields it creates a reaction not unlike a nuclear blast, either at the source of the shield itself or at the source of the beam. Either way at that range it would kill everyone in the vicinity, including the ship that fired on him.
not all nuclear explosions are that massive, it could've been something equivalent to a Davy Crocket which that ship was more than far away from to be fine (even without the shields). The concept is more applicable to ground fights, don't want to shoot a laser at another soldier and level the whole battlefield.
that first shot they hit him with was basically an emp type round designed to wipe out vehicle shields making the lasgun technically safe to use on him although lasering your own city in half on the other hand is a very galaxy brain move imo
@@Talren-PU I think that's why Idaho did that little spin at the end before blasting out of Arrakeen. He knows the Harkonnens are dumbasses and would stop at nothing to see him dead hence the laser weapon so Idaho kites the beam around a small section of the city like "Congratulations you've destroyed part of the city you're trying to take back and it's useless to you now, fuck you"
This is one of the few Sci fi movies to actually get close to showing just how destructive advanced weapons would be. One device can take out an entire ship, one ‘thopter is loaded with heavy weapons, and that giant laser beam just cuts through everything.
@@Ensign_Cthulhuoh ok I get you... they want to scare Duncan with the possibility of a nuclear blast if the shield is hit, so he drops it... interesting but also suicidal, no?
@@NightWanderer31415 I thought that because in the book, a bunch of Fremen hijack an ornithopter and use its lasgun to force a Sardaukar troop carrier to drop its shield as a precaution. Then they ram it, killing all aboard.
@@shalomamigos now I’m just imaging some Harkonnen commander rubbing his temples while saying “goddamn it, who put Carl on the lasgun battery? He’s gonna get us all killed.”
In book it seemed like that was only concern for shielded person and lasgun shooter, it was said they'd be in the explosion. Maybe big lasers on aircraft shooting from distance are fine. Anyway seems like it was tiny fusion explosion that was result, not an Ivy Mike.
@@RWZiggy Basically how it works is that when a lasgun shoots into a shield, there will be a subatomic explosion (Very bad) SOMEWHERE along the path of the laser beam. So people ALWAYS avoid using lasguns against shielded enemies because that somewhere can be "Inside the laser gun's barrel" and thats a hell of a risk
just noticed something. at 0:37 he blows up all those landing craft with the rockets, one of them has its shields up and still explodes. if you look closely, it looks like two rockets explode on its shields but may not have penetrated, and the third one destroys it. Can shields be overwhelmed by multiple consecutive hits? how do those missiles penetrate the shields? are they like those maula darts somehow? I wonder if the landing craft have weaker shields. we saw one get shot down before, and it seemingly had no shields. maybe they interfere with some other tech, who knows? maybe the one here with its shields up had its ramp open or was offloading stuff, which may have diminished its shield strength. I can understand how the one that hit Duncan's thopter managed to take out the shields, as he was firing his own weapons, which weakens your shields as we saw in Dune 2. I just don't understand how those missiles can get through shields otherwise.
Minor inaccuracy....on the Dune universe nobody on his right mind would had tried to hit a shielded ship with a laser beam, the interaction of the Holtzman shield with the laser would created subatomic fusion, meaning a continous nuclear explosion all then way from the laser emitter to the shield point of contact...mutually assured destruction.
@@ezustnyil8414 Yeah the film crew and even Denis have said in off hand interviews they found certain elements of the shields (namely its function and whole explosion thing) to be detrimental to adapting the material. The shields function was changed for the movie and they made no mention in either film of the explosion effect. It appears they took that out.
@@gwell2118 It may be difficult to adapt, but it is key to the franchise. If the shield - lasgun reaction is removed then the very foundation of combat in the universe is removed.
I like to think that the lasgun operator wasn't actually trying to hit a shielded vessel (suicide), but was trying to slice up the surroundings in the hopes of burying it.
I love how if this was actually book accurate. If the Lazgun hit the thopter's shield it would cause a thermonuclear explosion that would destroy the whole city.
You see, i really like this, if you see somebody just do this to your fellow soldier, then unless he just killed your friend ect., you clearly have NO chance to win against him. Who in his right mind, unless brainwashed like sardukars, would even try his luck against such pure and raw force. Its nice little touch of humanity.
Duncan is the biggest part of why I like the first movie so much better than the second. They let the Sardukar feel scary as hell, unlike the weakened versions in part 2, but still had him kill just about everything that moved
Bro they’re pretty much the same in both movies, Duncan literally takes out about 20 of them in a scene where tbh the choreography was the greatest. And in part 2 their defeat makes sense
@@omarbaba9892 their defeat makes sense, I'm not upset at them losing, but 'whole group runs out of sight, there is barely a sound and they are all dead in seconds' doesn't impress me here any more than the Long Night in Game of Thrones.
Normal audience: Oh, its a suspenseful chase. Geek audience: Ohkay, thats a lasgun firing on a shielded ornithopter.. thats a fusion bomb when they combine..
@@gwell2118Maaaan. I'm starting to think most moviegoers can't follow visual or sounds cues. I haven't read the books, but I can see the thing hits a freakin building and the shields don't even fizzle. Everything has to be star wars where they scream 'muh shields!'
@@mister_needles it’s a combination of not paying attention to the little details (the dashboard warning, the shields no longer flicking on impacts etc……) and just expecting things to be a certain way. Like you said if something doesn’t explicitly explain something some people can’t follow. Denis is a very subtle filmmaker, he doesn’t like handholding you through scenes but lets things be explained visually. Ironically the opposite of the books which basically went into paragraph long detail of why a particular character coughed. One of the reasons I think some didn’t like him taking on the movie, the book lovers wanted endless exposition and talking about world building. Denis put it all on screen but subtly and visually, forcing you to piece it together yourself.
Even if the thopters shields had been taken down by the missile this is still a good point. They cut up so much of the city trying to get him it would have been trivial to accidentally hit a shielded soldier on the ground.
The coptors shields were taken down by the stray shot. As for the other point there is no mention of the laser effect for hitting shields in the movies. It might be entirely possible they removed that feature from the story.
The one used to kidnap them was probably prepared with that as a failsafe in case they managed to do...well, what they did. The one Duncan stole was just some random craft-though why they don't all have a similar failsafe is certainly an oversight, but one we can attribute to the Harkonnens' incompetence rather than the filmmakers'.
Shields weren’t commonly used on Arrakis because their harmonics attracted sandworms. This is from the books and is a valid in-universe explanation why the Harkonnen foot soldiers weren’t equipped.
Were the Harkonnens using an energy beam weapon to try and shoot him down? AIR from the books, that was a very bad idea in an area where combatants might be using shields, could have caused a catastrophic explosion.
Can someone explain to me why the Harkonnens here don't have their shields activated? They're literally in the middle of a warzone, so I dont really understand why they would let down their guard so much, even if they were winning the battle.
Shield tech is quite expensive in Dune universe. Not every grunt has it. Those worthy soldiers who do, only have ones that last like 15 min in full power, and then take like two days to reload. Shields that people like Baron, Duke Leto, and Paul would have could last like 2 hours with full power. And shields that protect spaceships and cites are on whole another level.
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Duncan was legendary throughout the imperium. Those Harkonnens knew exactly who he was and were like, "nah we're good just take the thopter dude". Then they just walk away
Harkonnen troops as a whole weren’t known for being too smart, but these guys were clearly exceptions
@@Glopdemon The Atreides also considered the Harkonnen cowards (and inferior fighters, mostly poorly paid and trained conscripts)....and here they showed both
@@Glopdemon Harkonnen soldiers are like "Y'all don't pay me enough for this... Ima lay down my life for that Ahole Baron and Rabban?"
@@koko40800 Can imagine Harkonnen press ganged and brutalized people into service. Discipline probably kept by fear, these guys may well have ended up in front of a firing squad.
@@koko40800 assuming the baron pays them at all.
I love how this scene isn't in the book, but it fits so perfectly with Duncan's character that it doesn't matter. A brave daredevil with burning hatred for the Harkonnens, master swordsman, ace 'thopter pilot. This is exactly the kind of departure from the source material that is respectful and adds to the movie.
I don't remember the ace pilot part in the books, either, but I'm not complaining!
@@VideoMask93 if I remember correct, Paul and Jessica notices his style of flying with 'thopters before he lands so maybe they wanted to show this with a cool escape scene.
@@LiGd33znu75 They mention it in the movie, but I don't remember it in the book. Or maybe I wrote it off as Paul's budding prescience alerting him to Duncan's presence, rather than noticing how he flew a 'thopter.
To Hell, dogs!
i think this is the replacement for Atomics trap from Duncan in the book. This is whats great with this adaptation, whatever changes from the source material, its still make sense.
"TO HELL, DOGS!!!" dogs:"no problem BRO, the keys are in the ignition..."
"Uhhh... your ornithopter is waiting for you, sir"
It would be great if they just throw him the key
"I know where I'm going. Ready to follow me?"
"To hell, dogs!"
"Understandable, have a nice day."
I really like how the laser looks like real lasers and doesn't explode or impact, just cuts
still baffles me that they would be so casual with their usage though. it touches one shield and BOOM. But you know...rule of cool and all, so I get it.
@@VoodooV1 iirc the missile that hit Duncan's ornithopter at 0:36 knocks out its shield
@@zucc3446 still, one dead body with its sheild still on gets clipped and, kaboom
@@zucc3446 the shield does not "fail" when hit. thats the thing with Holtzmann Shields. They dont have an "overload" threshhold. They can take basicly an indefenite amount of punishment and continue working.
Its basicly a highly concentrated field of matter repulsion (meaning basicly what happens when you turn an anti grav to 11 and narrow its effect field to paper thin.)
On high settings, even air wont penetrate and these things can run wthout pause, unless you loose your energy supply.
@@zhufortheimpaler4041i still dont get this part. the lore say you shouldnt attack someone or something on shield with lazgun, because it would create a nuke sized explosive. is this true?
0:15 I love the detail of the Harkonen soliders in the back choosing to back off when they see how skillful of a fighter Duncan is. Show's how they aren't just all dumb and blind fighters and are okay with takeing the "he who runs away lives to fight another day" approach.
They're more intelligent than Imperial Stormtroopers lol
And then we have Sardaukar who, despite taking heavy losses and dying by Duncan’s blade, just kept fighting and eventually overwhelmed him. I know that the fight in the eco station was meant to showcase Duncan’s badassery but I think it also demonstrated how disciplined and well-trained Sardaukar are, especially compared to the Harkonnens.
@@АлишерМакашев-ж1ш absolutely! Fantastic detail that tells us so much about two factions without a word being said. Show don't tell, Love it!
@@АлишерМакашев-ж1шthat's a big key difference, they will have big consequences if they let duncan go away unlike those no names soldiers
@Laken Anderson Star Wars has always been intended for children. What's your point?
And not all of it. Andor isn't. Children can watch it, but it has mature themes that will go right over children's heads. It's the best pop culture depiction of how a fascist regime actually works that I've seen in quite awhile.
The villains are so competent in Dune, and that adds to it. While the Harkonnen foot soldiers are way out of their league, there's an immediate counterattack to try and take out Duncan's thopter.
We see this also in the very beginning of the film, when the Harkonnens immediately respond to the Fremen assault on their spice harvesters
its likely that those were Sardaukar, because no sane Harkonnen or Atreides would use a Lasgun vs a potentially shielded target (the feedback reaction of a lasgun hitting a shield would nuke the entire city)
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Always thought that detail was kinda dumb. Cause explosion and collateral maybe, but nuclear level power level? Just outfit your troops with lasers and make war against you way too costly.
@@tomorbataar5922 basicly it would be as risky to them as to you. on the other hand, when you fire a lasgun, you have to deactivate your shields, so you can get hit by shrapnel etc.
@@tomorbataar5922 It's explained multiple times in the books that there's a MAD agreement between members of the Landsraad and Imperial Throne.
I loved the missile launches in this movie. It reminded me of the way missiles launched in Macross/Robotech back in the 80s. They were always shown as a large clusters of warheads, seemingly flying off in random directions but then all converging on their target at once. Great to see it in live action.
Ah, finally. Somebody who notice that! Also, nice of you to reference the macross franchise
It really is beautiful
They are harder to intercept if they have an erratic target path. Smart.
LAUNCH ALL MISSILES!
For me the most important part of that scene is that Holtzman Shields are not some no limits fallacies as it seems to be implied, but they can also be overwhelmed by simple excessive firepower.
It also means that shields are not some end all be all of warfare, but simply a powerful tool in an arsenal.
I love how he taunts them and "drags" the beam around to inflict as much damage as he can before leaving
I love how he was basically risking a nuclear explosion
Damage to the city? Seems like he’s just harming the innocent inhabitants, to be honest.
@@MrArmystrong85 I heard somebody say that was a particle beam
@@TheWhiteDragon3 the book never mentions particle beams. It should be assumed this is a lasgun
I never thought of that
One of many examples of the care the director took creating scenes that were only alluded to in the source material. Duncan’s skill with a thopter is mentioned, and when he reunites with Paul and Jessica, Duncan also takes a moment to relish the shield lasgun explosion trap he set during his escape that lights up the sky during their reunion. With this sequence, we are treated to an intelligent and respectful interpretation of something only briefly mentioned in the book. For someone who has read the book at least 10 times in 40’years, it was one of many satisfying moments in this film. There are other subtle examples like this throughout the movie that show how well this director knew and cared about the source story.
The shield in the sand made me laugh. I could just picture the search party desperately flying around slicing up the dunes, and then suddenly the sky lights up and everyone's gone in an instant. The explosion was so devastating that Jessica thought he had used the family atomics at first. Great stuff.
I''ve noticed they have made no mentioned to the shield and laser effect from the books. Plus the shields in the movie are significantly weaker than the book version. I wonder if they just removed that effect. Which would be fine with me, I always thought it was a silly effect anyway.
Like the fact that the harkonnens just give him space and let him pass, makes them seem more like real humans who dont want to die and less like the unthinking minions we see in most action movies
They're just thugs, no honor or balls unless they are for sure they'll win.
Good job that didn't hit the ornithopter with it's shield on.
Also, I like that the bad guys aren't suicidal and will not blindly attack on obviously superior opponent.
I found them rather stupid and a bit cowardly.
@@nickmitsialis that's the whole point!
@@nickmitsialis Pretty accurate for a military motivated primarily by fear.
@@nickmitsialis That's Harkonnens for you
Instinct of self preservation.
1:13
Duncan was a daring pilot, love the detail how the ornithoper's warning signals sound, pushing it to it's areodynamic limits
I gotta say that having read the novels and watched the two previous screen adaptations multiple times, this is the first time I actually understand how the heck an ornithopter is supposed to work.
0:19 brah we just taking picture with the Ornithopter.
Raiding Arakeen with the boys
We'll get out your way now...
Unless I'm supposed to infer that the missile striking the vehicle took out his shield it's a really good thing the Shields didn't get hit by the laser. for those who don't know in the book if a laser hits the shield it essentially becomes a nuke and it's incredibly illegal and if the harkonnen family wasnt being protectes by the emperor it would normally lead to the family's obliteration
I'm actually glad they took that out, as it leads to too many why don't they... There is even some tortured bit from Jessica to Leto about clockwork timers onto shields.
It's for me too much to take in, whereas you know the lazer, is just ultimate, but super unweildy, kill.
@@RichestTea but its the whole reason for the cqc that we see in the movie. If you remove that reason then all the styles of fighting are for no reason
@@RichestTea Technically, we don't know if Denis left that out. Maybe he'll show or suggest what the lasguns do upon impact of a shield in Part 2. But I do see how much of a breather it must be to not have to follow the rules in the book.
@@MrNegima10 Dune's worldbuilding is contrived as fuck. I can think of a dozen problems with the swordfighting justification off the top of my head.
But I have no problem with it, because I accept that the setting is contrived to fit the story that Frank Herbert was trying to tell. That's true of all fiction, and is an unassailable defence of worldbuilding criticism.
Lasgun-shield feedback causes a subatomic detonation, atomics are a different thing which are illegal to use against an enemy but not 'full stop' illegal. A shield explosion would just be an unfortunate accident, or in the case of the books (when Duncan plants a shield to destroy some enemy ships) a legitimate tactic.
I really love the sword fighting in this movie.
wait to see the upcoming next one in the row mate...noble weapons in the field.
Hard to believe JM found a character that's even more of a badass than Drogo or Conan.
Yes, Is truly remarkable how they managed to make that choreographies look great and also credibly portrait the nuances of shield combat.
@@Adiscretefirm, also more of a badass than Ronan Dex ( _Stargate: Atlantis_ ).
Are you ppl being serious right now? These sword fights are some of the most bland and low effort I've seen.
0:34 - I can’t get over how much damage he did so quickly. 😂
He spammed the trigger
Just drives home how competent the Atreides military was. He jumps in the thopter, takes off and immediately goes for the grounded ships to harm their mobility on the battlefield.
For real ! 💥
Like with Roosevelt and Death, the Harkonnen and Sardukar had to take the Atriedes by surprise, because if they'd been awake there'd've been (far more of) a fight.
I like how he just stands for a second at 00:17 and stares at the remaining Harkonnen waiting for their decision.
I don't know why but I love silhouette/costume design of the Harkonnens
HR Giger based design philosophy
They kinda remind me of gimps lol.. these leather straps and all black. Love it
0:19 Guys be like: Oh ok you the man, we back off ....
They know who he is, and saw what he did. Anyone with any sense would do the same lol
"I get paid to kill, not to die"
I didn't get paid enough for this sh*t
“To hell dogs” then claps his blades together and literally shoo’s them off like dogs
I love how in those space operas sci fi, everything is so overpowered, look at this massive firepower a single Ornithopter has
I mean, modern attack helicopters like the ah-64 or ka-52 posses similar capabilities. For instance the former can carry up to 16 anti-tank guided missiles or 4 pods with tens of unguided rockets, while also carrying a heavy canon. So this seems to be about the same as this ornithopter. I’d say in general the weapons in Dune are very well thought out.
Harks are not known for their intelligence but here at 0:18 we see some of the brightest minds of the house, 3 men who know not to fuck with Duncan Idaho.
This was one of only two scenes with Lasguns in the first movie; really glad we got to see more compact handheld Lasguns in part 2.
Those missiles are way too cool
The music adds so much to this.
My favourite part of this masterpiece
HOOOOLY SHIT!!!!! That tropter scene was sheer MASTERPIECE, the 1st shots were amazing. Also you can feel duncan's anger with the disaster, already love this character and is fucking sad he dies so soon, jason has an amazing voice.
I'm glad that the whole shield interaction thing with energy weapons is left more open in this movie than in the original books, because it allows for really cool scenes likes energy weapons being used here or to try to cut through a door to chase after Paul later on in the film.
laser beams in this movie are fired willy nilly. "Nuclear explosion you said? ok, whatever .... fire the lasers!!!"
@@rawwad Where are they fired willy nilly? Pretty much the only time I can recall a laser being used was when chasing down Duncan in this scene (to prevent an escape they probably thought it was worth the risk), and to go after Paul and such. Other than that they weren't really used in battle at all.
I figure that the movie simply is taking some liberties with the concept from the book of using energy weapons on shields causing a nuclear explosion, because honestly that idea always was kinda dumb. It seems less dumb in my view for shields to simply be impervious to laser weaponry, therefore encouraging the use of other weapons against those with shields. Though the movie does leave things open to interpretation, which I think is fine.
Seems as Duncan's ornithopter is shielded (as seen from the hit it takes), is it wise that the Harkonnens/Sardaukar are targeting him with a lasgun? Where everyone would go KABOOOOOOM!
I was wondering the same thing. Seems like an odd move.
1st shot took down the shields, so they could use Lasgun.
@@p.k._ That sounds like something the Sardaukar would do. They're lunatics, but _skilled_ lunatics. Training for using a lasgun against a target with a broken shield sounds like their brand of crazy.
KABOOOOOOM! is only one of the possible outcomes and by no means a certainty. You can gamble and hope it will work.
I mean they literally just bombard the city so I doubt they really care if they nuked it too
Later on in he'll
"Ayyyyyy Duncan whatsup"
Damn 😭😭😂
That shit was cold lmao
They were taking a hell of a risk with those lasbeams
duncan did more damage that all the last stand of the atriedes. but the same i fell that the battle in the book had to be more long. it was too quick the fall
Wayyyyy to quick -- and there was no Pug :(
I think why cause it was what's known as a blitzkrieg attack, an attack that's supposed to be a fast coordinated attack that disables the enemy before they can react
Agreed. And the entire time between arriving on Arrakis and the attack was to compressed
That's the benefit of taking down a fixed positions communications and first line defenses. The Doctors part in this assault.
If your early warning, standoff and coordination options are defeated before you realize it, you aren't a coordinated defense versus a coordinated offense. The offense is inside before you have time to react, so they pick you off piecemeal while you are still trying to figure out what is going on.
If you want a real world model of this, look at D-Day. The Nazis knew an attack was coming and were misled on the location and timing and structure. Additionally, Nazi fixed defenses, logistics and communications were enveloped by the naval batteries and troop deployments by sea and the airborne assaults on strongest defensive points and securing routes to maneuver in.
The risk to the offense is that if you are wrong in your initial moves or they are anticipated/poorly coordinated, the offense loses elements of surprise and may be annihilated with minimal loss to the defense. It is an all out commitment on offense.
I also agree. It is for me one of the few things that could have made the movie even better - maybe on par with lord of the rings -. I would have loved to have let's say 10/15 minutes more where we can witness the scale of the Harkonnen invasion, the betrayal of Yueh, the despair creeping in. It was still good, but handled way too fast, i couldnt really realize the scale of what was happening. It didnt feel much like a full scale invasion, only a skirmish.
I'm pretty sure adding those extra minutes where we see house Atreides fall would have made the rest of the movie more intense.
The only other thing that could have been better in my eyes was the way the heat was handled. It should have felt more stressful, more dangerous to roam outside without the stillsuit. It looked more like a cool gadget in the movie than the lifeline it really is. It was good, but could have been better.
One of the best movies ever made! And certainly one of the best adaptations!!!
TO HELL DOGSSS
The lasguns are pretty terrifying!
and very real if they were powerful enough to cut virtually anything.
I get chills every time I see this … “TO HELL DOGS” what a badass
Those Harkonnens were terrified of Duncan's Rex Kwan Do training.
Imagine being so legendary and your skills so unmatched that a whole ARMY will let you escape just so they don't have to fight you
0:16 the fact the guy in the battle dress looked badass as hell is still backed off is crazy
His "To HELL dogs!" was a call to come at him and die if they dare...
Nothing in this scene looked fake. When he's pressing down on the hydraulics, you hear the servo's and machinery doing its work. All the while this intense music with that deep baseline in the end. The special effects were so seamless, I forget, at times, I was watching a film.
Love the music and sword fighting here. If this is a preview of what’s to come in part 2, I’m more than hyped.
Good swordsman and ace fighter, but does not have sand weakness: This is where the fun begins
"To hell dogs!"
"I want to apologize."
“THE HELL DOGS!” Shivers 😳
“To Hell Dogs” hahaha 🤣 Duncan Idaho is a bad @ss. Loved it, when the other Harkennon just backed off.
Those guys backing away are the definition of "I'm not getting paid enough for this shit" 😂
if they had just one single scene in that market place, it would have so much difference.
Duncan was the biggest badass in this movie!
I’m no expert in Dune lore, but wouldn’t it be an exceedingly BAD idea if the Harkonnens had actually struck Duncan’s ornithopter with a lasbeam? I’m given to understand that when a lasbeam strikes one of their shields it creates a reaction not unlike a nuclear blast, either at the source of the shield itself or at the source of the beam. Either way at that range it would kill everyone in the vicinity, including the ship that fired on him.
I thought about this as well. Might be explained by it being a “laser-beam” and not a lasgun.
not all nuclear explosions are that massive, it could've been something equivalent to a Davy Crocket which that ship was more than far away from to be fine (even without the shields). The concept is more applicable to ground fights, don't want to shoot a laser at another soldier and level the whole battlefield.
that first shot they hit him with was basically an emp type round designed to wipe out vehicle shields making the lasgun technically safe to use on him although lasering your own city in half on the other hand is a very galaxy brain move imo
@@Talren-PU I think that's why Idaho did that little spin at the end before blasting out of Arrakeen. He knows the Harkonnens are dumbasses and would stop at nothing to see him dead hence the laser weapon so Idaho kites the beam around a small section of the city like "Congratulations you've destroyed part of the city you're trying to take back and it's useless to you now, fuck you"
Correct. Would have produced a pseudo-atomic explosion if it hit a shield.
I swear he channeled Khal Drogo when he said that line.
Duncan Idoho better be back for Dune Messiah.
As a ghola I guess?
@@huguesdepayens8262 That would be canon.
This is one of the few Sci fi movies to actually get close to showing just how destructive advanced weapons would be.
One device can take out an entire ship, one ‘thopter is loaded with heavy weapons, and that giant laser beam just cuts through everything.
0:38 I'm gonna assume the ornithopter's shield was disabled and that's why they used a lasgun. Otherwise it's a plothole.
They use the lasgun to force the thopter to drop its shield. Then it becomes vulnerable to missiles and guns.
@@Ensign_Cthulhu in the books, lasguns cannot be used against shields because their interaction basically triggers a nuclear explosion.
@@Ensign_Cthulhuoh ok I get you... they want to scare Duncan with the possibility of a nuclear blast if the shield is hit, so he drops it... interesting but also suicidal, no?
@@NightWanderer31415 I thought that because in the book, a bunch of Fremen hijack an ornithopter and use its lasgun to force a Sardaukar troop carrier to drop its shield as a precaution. Then they ram it, killing all aboard.
“TO HELL, DOGS” my third favorite movie quote ever, 1st and 2nd favorite are from dune p2
Imagine being such a badass that even the best soldiers in the universe are afraid to fight you?!?! Got Musashi vs 70 vibe "no, you go", "no, you go!"
Love the way Villeueve handled lasguns!
Something tells me that those guys who walked back didn't made it through to the morning
Lasted longer than the guys who walked forward.
They're pretty confident they won't hit a shielded person.
In the book that was only concern for two people, the shooter and shield wearer would be in the explosion. Maybe aircraft at a distance are fine.
Don’t lasguns create a nuclear explosion when they hit shields?
This is why you supervise your interns.
@@shalomamigos now I’m just imaging some Harkonnen commander rubbing his temples while saying “goddamn it, who put Carl on the lasgun battery? He’s gonna get us all killed.”
first shot took out the shields.
In book it seemed like that was only concern for shielded person and lasgun shooter, it was said they'd be in the explosion. Maybe big lasers on aircraft shooting from distance are fine. Anyway seems like it was tiny fusion explosion that was result, not an Ivy Mike.
@@RWZiggy Basically how it works is that when a lasgun shoots into a shield, there will be a subatomic explosion (Very bad) SOMEWHERE along the path of the laser beam. So people ALWAYS avoid using lasguns against shielded enemies because that somewhere can be "Inside the laser gun's barrel" and thats a hell of a risk
Absolutely bad-ass!!! This scene is awesome!!!
just noticed something. at 0:37 he blows up all those landing craft with the rockets, one of them has its shields up and still explodes. if you look closely, it looks like two rockets explode on its shields but may not have penetrated, and the third one destroys it. Can shields be overwhelmed by multiple consecutive hits? how do those missiles penetrate the shields? are they like those maula darts somehow?
I wonder if the landing craft have weaker shields. we saw one get shot down before, and it seemingly had no shields. maybe they interfere with some other tech, who knows? maybe the one here with its shields up had its ramp open or was offloading stuff, which may have diminished its shield strength.
I can understand how the one that hit Duncan's thopter managed to take out the shields, as he was firing his own weapons, which weakens your shields as we saw in Dune 2. I just don't understand how those missiles can get through shields otherwise.
Minor inaccuracy....on the Dune universe nobody on his right mind would had tried to hit a shielded ship with a laser beam, the interaction of the Holtzman shield with the laser would created subatomic fusion, meaning a continous nuclear explosion all then way from the laser emitter to the shield point of contact...mutually assured destruction.
Shield was off, he lost it after the missile strike, but that nuke thing is stupid, I wont cry if they leave it out of the movie.
@@ezustnyil8414 Yeah the film crew and even Denis have said in off hand interviews they found certain elements of the shields (namely its function and whole explosion thing) to be detrimental to adapting the material. The shields function was changed for the movie and they made no mention in either film of the explosion effect. It appears they took that out.
@@gwell2118 It may be difficult to adapt, but it is key to the franchise. If the shield - lasgun reaction is removed then the very foundation of combat in the universe is removed.
so glad to finally see a lasgun depicted in live action.
"To hell dogs." Duncan said calmly
I like to think that the lasgun operator wasn't actually trying to hit a shielded vessel (suicide), but was trying to slice up the surroundings in the hopes of burying it.
Would have been much better with Patrick Stewart cradling a pug.
"Back to the neutral zone you dogs! No not you pugsy"
That nightmarish laser beam chasing the thopter
0:46 me when there's a mosquito in the bathroom
0:14
Probably the most badass clip in the movie.
Duncan: "To Hell Dogs!"
Me: When I'm walking past a dog park in my gentrified neighborhood...
I love how if this was actually book accurate. If the Lazgun hit the thopter's shield it would cause a thermonuclear explosion that would destroy the whole city.
Can I give a shoutout to how this was the first adaptation that did Duncan Idaho justice?
They didn't want ANY of that smoke.
This scene is important because las guns are illegal and yet they try to kill Duncan with one.
0:10 to 0:21 shows how Jason Mamoa was good choice for Conan the Barbarian
They ain’t want the smoke
A laser against a shield ornitopter? Bad decision....
"You wanna muddafuckin PIECE O' DIS?!"
Thought I'd translate.
You see, i really like this, if you see somebody just do this to your fellow soldier, then unless he just killed your friend ect., you clearly have NO chance to win against him. Who in his right mind, unless brainwashed like sardukars, would even try his luck against such pure and raw force. Its nice little touch of humanity.
Imagine these ships existing in real life in 200 years or so, I would rise from my grave and buy one for sure!
Duncan himself could wipe out two harkonnen platoons with ease
They fire lasers on a shielded thopter. They are absolutely mad!
Seen this a lot, apparently it was unshielded because the holtzman field was overloaded by the missiles that hit Duncan’s thopter.
If that laze beam would have connected with the shields on the ornithopter, the entire city of Arakeen would have gone Hiroshima.
Duncan is the good kind of crazy
I like to call that ship the 'dragonfly ship'.
Duncan is the biggest part of why I like the first movie so much better than the second. They let the Sardukar feel scary as hell, unlike the weakened versions in part 2, but still had him kill just about everything that moved
Bro they’re pretty much the same in both movies, Duncan literally takes out about 20 of them in a scene where tbh the choreography was the greatest. And in part 2 their defeat makes sense
@@omarbaba9892 their defeat makes sense, I'm not upset at them losing, but 'whole group runs out of sight, there is barely a sound and they are all dead in seconds' doesn't impress me here any more than the Long Night in Game of Thrones.
Normal audience: Oh, its a suspenseful chase. Geek audience: Ohkay, thats a lasgun firing on a shielded ornithopter.. thats a fusion bomb when they combine..
The shield was taken out just before by the cannon blast.
@@gwell2118Maaaan. I'm starting to think most moviegoers can't follow visual or sounds cues. I haven't read the books, but I can see the thing hits a freakin building and the shields don't even fizzle. Everything has to be star wars where they scream 'muh shields!'
@@mister_needles it’s a combination of not paying attention to the little details (the dashboard warning, the shields no longer flicking on impacts etc……) and just expecting things to be a certain way. Like you said if something doesn’t explicitly explain something some people can’t follow. Denis is a very subtle filmmaker, he doesn’t like handholding you through scenes but lets things be explained visually. Ironically the opposite of the books which basically went into paragraph long detail of why a particular character coughed. One of the reasons I think some didn’t like him taking on the movie, the book lovers wanted endless exposition and talking about world building. Denis put it all on screen but subtly and visually, forcing you to piece it together yourself.
So it is FINE to use LASGUN on a city filled with shielded troops...
Even if the thopters shields had been taken down by the missile this is still a good point. They cut up so much of the city trying to get him it would have been trivial to accidentally hit a shielded soldier on the ground.
The coptors shields were taken down by the stray shot. As for the other point there is no mention of the laser effect for hitting shields in the movies. It might be entirely possible they removed that feature from the story.
The real question is, why has it taken so long for movies to get lasers that don't look like trash?
Why didn’t the Harkonnens just disable the ornithopter like they did with the one used to kidnap Paul and Jessica?
The one used to kidnap them was probably prepared with that as a failsafe in case they managed to do...well, what they did. The one Duncan stole was just some random craft-though why they don't all have a similar failsafe is certainly an oversight, but one we can attribute to the Harkonnens' incompetence rather than the filmmakers'.
I get the slight impression that Duncan isn’t very fond of House Harkonnen
Weird that none of them have shields, I thought it was in-universe explanation for why they use swards in Dune instead of lazers\guns.
Shields weren’t commonly used on Arrakis because their harmonics attracted sandworms. This is from the books and is a valid in-universe explanation why the Harkonnen foot soldiers weren’t equipped.
Were the Harkonnens using an energy beam weapon to try and shoot him down? AIR from the books, that was a very bad idea in an area where combatants might be using shields, could have caused a catastrophic explosion.
This was an experience in IMAX
Can someone explain to me why the Harkonnens here don't have their shields activated? They're literally in the middle of a warzone, so I dont really understand why they would let down their guard so much, even if they were winning the battle.
Shield tech is quite expensive in Dune universe. Not every grunt has it. Those worthy soldiers who do, only have ones that last like 15 min in full power, and then take like two days to reload. Shields that people like Baron, Duke Leto, and Paul would have could last like 2 hours with full power. And shields that protect spaceships and cites are on whole another level.
In Dune lore firing a laser against a shield is a VERY BAD idea.... like NUKE explotion bad idea.
Watching Duncan Idaho fight, I just assume that all Sardaukar speak with reverence of Duncan Idaho as people speak of the Sardaukar.
Movie would have ended real quick if that Harkonnen lasgunner had tagged Duncan's thopter.