this isnt cope from a zain fan or something (i was rooting for nicki) but i genuinely dont think ics are mid tier. low high peach level imo. that sopo on game 1 was crazy though LOL.
In Zain's defense, Marth might be the top tier most susceptible to the Jank of lower tier characters. From Pikachu to Yoshi to Icies and etc. Marth has to play really disciplined against a lot of characters and if you're matchup practice isn't on that day then you can get worked
Melee is so much better when there is an elite ICs at the top. Wobbles in his prime and Chu especially for as long as he was at the top. Completely different character, fresh matchups and ripe for bracket breaks and upsets. There was a void in the scene with Slug basically retiring or being extremely inactive where he might as well be MIA. Great run for Nicki hopefully he's at the top for a while.
Zain been struggling against mid tiers lately, holy fuck. He thought Pikachu was the worst, but now he has Icies, Yoshi (Who is now upgraded to high tier, I know, but I grew up with him as a mid tier) and Link to be concerned about now?
Pikachu has been a complicated marth matchup forever, Yoshi might just beat Marth and ICs is just one loss since like 2022 I think, in a matchups that is not that much Marth favoured (SluG beat Zain in 2022 and is 2-0 on kodorin, he thinks it's even-ish). Link is the one where he probably just underperforms at the matchup. Marth in general might be one of the weaker top tiers when it comes to dealing with mid tiers, like Puff Falco Fox and Peach are often way more oppressive overall,
This was such a bizarre tournament. Crazy matches. Crazy matchups. Good melee though. Makes things interesting. Can’t sleep on the mid tiers. Whoever is writing this season of the melee script deserves a raise. These plot twist are hitting different.
the very first stock made me very pleased. For the commentators and anyone else who may not know, that WAS guaranteed. Handoffs are guaranteed by the ledge, but also on the edge of platforms. There area on that platform where you can land a grab such that you're past the middle of the platform so nana will fthrow, but also you still have enough space to get enough handoffs to kill from 5% is pretty small.
almost 4 stocking zain game 1 is fucking insane, i dont remember the last time zain got 3-0d but its definitely a rare occurrence. Big ups on nicki huge dub
Nope, under the rules you get three hits (6 if you count each Ice Climber) before you have to release. You can then re-grab, which is what he does here. It takes skill and is considerably more challenging than zero to death wobbling.
Lol so weird what the melee landscape is now 🤣 The #1 in the world from 2010 to 2020 had to basically only deal with cracked out top tiers, a yoshi and wobbling ice climbers. Now, the #1 in the world has to deal with cracked foxes, and a whole assortment of weird mid tier characters like dk, link and wobble-less ice climbers. This is clearly a drastically different meta than what Zain came up on 🤣(minus the fox part 🤭)
I remember when Zain lost to Slug and people attacked me for not liking how Zain plays the match up. Saying Zain is the best Marth automatically meaning that he's great in the match up. Here ya go, Zain getting 3-0ed by a good ICs player and then said player proceeds to lose to the first Fox that understands how to win the match up. Seriously, ICs counterplay in modern melee SUCK.
Can we stop pretending like we banned wobbling because it was strong? We banned it because it was a had viewer experience and it made the game unfun for some people. If we banned icies stuff because it was strong and uninteractable we would also ban a lot of handoffs, but instead they look cool to viewers so we let them stay.
Imma tell my kids this is Ken vs Chudat
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@@madmike-1693 lmaaoo this gave me a good chuckle
Beating Cody and Zain back to back only losing one game is genuinely insane
He also defeated Jmook
@@christiancastaneda9601 well he was on zalea
@@daythenite5683 ice climbers is an awful matchup for sheik. That’s why he played Zelda
Bro literally took the #2 headband and the #1 headband back to back.
"Wanna see me lose to mid tier?? wanna see me do it again?" -zain "the stain" naghami
this isnt cope from a zain fan or something (i was rooting for nicki) but i genuinely dont think ics are mid tier. low high peach level imo. that sopo on game 1 was crazy though LOL.
In Zain's defense, Marth might be the top tier most susceptible to the Jank of lower tier characters. From Pikachu to Yoshi to Icies and etc. Marth has to play really disciplined against a lot of characters and if you're matchup practice isn't on that day then you can get worked
@@nektahatz5646ICs are better than Peach not worse lol.
@@jebril thats not true search for the most recent tier list it has peach higher which means ICs are a worst character
@@Themonkeymartin That tier list was made 3 years ago and is very outdated now.
Easily one of the most unbelievable losers runs... made DPOTG such a sick tourney to end 2024.
nounsvitational in December is the last major of the year (unless platfight gets a ton of entrants)
For real
ooommgg ich bin ssooo betrunken 😭😭 nickiiiiii 😭😭
I need this to catch on
Du bist besonders
Gute Tag!
Some men just want to watch the world freeze.
Melee is so much better when there is an elite ICs at the top. Wobbles in his prime and Chu especially for as long as he was at the top. Completely different character, fresh matchups and ripe for bracket breaks and upsets. There was a void in the scene with Slug basically retiring or being extremely inactive where he might as well be MIA. Great run for Nicki hopefully he's at the top for a while.
Character diversity, love to see it. DK, Link, ICs all having their moments this year.
Zain continued his top 6 streak at majors but jesus this was brutal. Zain didn't play his best but Nicki played out of his mind
Zain been struggling against mid tiers lately, holy fuck.
He thought Pikachu was the worst, but now he has Icies, Yoshi (Who is now upgraded to high tier, I know, but I grew up with him as a mid tier) and Link to be concerned about now?
zain believes marth beats pika.
Pikachu has been a complicated marth matchup forever, Yoshi might just beat Marth and ICs is just one loss since like 2022 I think, in a matchups that is not that much Marth favoured (SluG beat Zain in 2022 and is 2-0 on kodorin, he thinks it's even-ish).
Link is the one where he probably just underperforms at the matchup.
Marth in general might be one of the weaker top tiers when it comes to dealing with mid tiers, like Puff Falco Fox and Peach are often way more oppressive overall,
Ics are high tier too
Thats why Marth isn’t the best character in the game. Struggles against mid tiers and Sheik Falcons
@@TheBeggies95 Marth is second best.
3-0 Zain is crazy
This was such a bizarre tournament. Crazy matches. Crazy matchups. Good melee though. Makes things interesting. Can’t sleep on the mid tiers. Whoever is writing this season of the melee script deserves a raise. These plot twist are hitting different.
Why is Nicki actually scarier with Sopo?
It is more like opponents drop their guard
Sopo is legitimately faster because youre allowed to dash dance. And you lose the small weakness of needing setup time for desynchs
@ln8496 i never thought of this
Yoshi crushes ics so theyve never even been a blip to me lol
Shout out to u 4 an informative answer
In one run Nicki managed to beat Dawson, Swedish Delight, Aura, Axe, Joshman, Jmook, Cody Schwab, and Zain Nicki is actually insane
@@NickG-sx6wb Dawson, I've watched so many Walt videos about him. what a scalp.
Today Ice climbers say
Touch ice not grass
@@lorenzo77dascenzo70 fire bar ngtl
what has this world become
He is the best ICs in Europe
And the best player in Germany
welcome to the ice age
We let wobbling 2.0 happen
@@ariesomega2487lowkey possibly the best player in europe
Close enough, welcome back Ice
the very first stock made me very pleased.
For the commentators and anyone else who may not know, that WAS guaranteed. Handoffs are guaranteed by the ledge, but also on the edge of platforms. There area on that platform where you can land a grab such that you're past the middle of the platform so nana will fthrow, but also you still have enough space to get enough handoffs to kill from 5% is pretty small.
we are in the era of the super character. a solo main wild west
ICs are the goofiest char ever 😂 it’s like a hyper-tuned grappler
they're potemkin but two
0:35 dude is so happy about that i love that smile lol
The most wholesome set win celebration of all time.
almost 4 stocking zain game 1 is fucking insane, i dont remember the last time zain got 3-0d but its definitely a rare occurrence. Big ups on nicki huge dub
SEED 25 BTW
Nicki helped to make this tournament something truly special
What death note era are we in?
Nouns Nana bro holy shit
Nicki smiles like some kind of trickster demon every time he takes a stock, love this dude
Amazing set! 🔥
Dieser Chat ist nun Eigentum der Bundesrepublik Deutschlands.
11:39 moving like Usher during a rain storm
Hannover diggi!
YOOOOO!!! Lets Go!!!
Gotta love melee
They thought they were nerfing ICies...
Waiting for a nobble ban discussion to start. How difficult is it to fish a grab then nobble to death?
Very
Its different on every character, its only guaranteed near the edge of the stage and you still need both climbers very close by
why is wobbling not banned?
Nicki making all us IC mains proud 🤩
poetic
This man is crazy
2024 is the year of the midtier.
Brb investing in Ice Climber stocks
So are handoffs just harder wobbling?
Nana throws randomly unless you're near the ledge so no
yes
back to bed grandpa
More random wobbling but yes.
short answer: no
long answer: kinda but no
Honest question, why counter pick to Dreamland? I get that FD is way better for icies, but isn't Dreamland still one of your worst stages?
Higher side plat heights I guess (shac up air can't hit marth on dreamland)
Is what Nicki doing with his grabs here considered wobbling?/is wobbling illegal in this tourney?
Nope, under the rules you get three hits (6 if you count each Ice Climber) before you have to release. You can then re-grab, which is what he does here. It takes skill and is considerably more challenging than zero to death wobbling.
@elemkay5104 ah, makes sense. Thanks!
@@Willyzzy also nana does random throws if she is not close to the ledge. so its not guaranteed
YO NICKI IS ACTUALLY TOO DAMN GOOD
Marth vs midtiers
that's not wobbling
Lets gooo nicki
Ja maan!
Nicki is him
Nicki is insane, keep going
Lol so weird what the melee landscape is now 🤣
The #1 in the world from 2010 to 2020 had to basically only deal with cracked out top tiers, a yoshi and wobbling ice climbers.
Now, the #1 in the world has to deal with cracked foxes, and a whole assortment of weird mid tier characters like dk, link and wobble-less ice climbers. This is clearly a drastically different meta than what Zain came up on 🤣(minus the fox part 🤭)
Wow
I remember when Zain lost to Slug and people attacked me for not liking how Zain plays the match up. Saying Zain is the best Marth automatically meaning that he's great in the match up. Here ya go, Zain getting 3-0ed by a good ICs player and then said player proceeds to lose to the first Fox that understands how to win the match up. Seriously, ICs counterplay in modern melee SUCK.
Nicki is top 5 just from this performance.
wait nycki german?.... oooooooo!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
WE GOT TOO COCKY ZAIN CHADS
Nicki die Maschine 🇩🇪
bruh wtf
Can we stop pretending like we banned wobbling because it was strong? We banned it because it was a had viewer experience and it made the game unfun for some people. If we banned icies stuff because it was strong and uninteractable we would also ban a lot of handoffs, but instead they look cool to viewers so we let them stay.
hand offs allow for way more counter play.
Hand offs are equally cringe
me when I know nothing about the game
Hand offs are lame
Dude infinites are so cringe
Not an infinite
its not an infinite
Cursed characters, ban. Very unfun.
So true, get Marth out of here, no fun
@@Zeffpenguin marth and falcon is the most fun in melee
@@YumiSax you didn't get the joke, didn't you
@HsmAsTa sorry i can't speak good English :)
Super cringe
Weak rage bait
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