Warriors advance to NBA Finals, is Steph Curry now a Top 10 Player of All-Time? | NBA | UNDISPUTED
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- Опубликовано: 26 май 2022
- Stephen Curry was named the first ever Most Valuable Player of the Western Conference Finals following the Warriors series-clinching win over the Mavs last night. He will return to the Finals, but this time without Kevin Durant who helped win their last two titles, and Steph still seeking his first Finals MVP. Skip Bayless and Shannon Sharpe debate if Curry is top 10 of all time.
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“The problem is”. Let’s talk about “The virtue is”
Let's talk about the finals MVP club after!
Only players with a finals MVP are allowed in.
This is a real N**ga party you can not get in unless you have a finals MVP!
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Lace Green 🍏💚 the ten year old sports analyst!
@@michaelmontgomery5141
Do you think Mike could beat bird and magic on the same team in the finals sir?
Add Bird to that 91 Lakers roster you still think Mike is 6-0 in the finals sir?
@@michaelmontgomery5141
They had to stack the deck against LeGoat James to beat him.
Friendly reminder the only reason Skip hates Curry was because he lost against LeBron and gave him his most impressive ring adding to his legacy. It's always about LeBron.
I've said this same thing
That crazy talk
Maybe for skip. But the majority of ppl now the truth now about lebron.
skip saying something good about lebron is crazy.😂
@@TheeYoungJohnnyDepp *know
In the same year KD was swept in the first round, the Warriors are going back to the Finals without him. Tough scene.
Look who they face like you meat riding they gotta win this year to say they don’t need kd tf
Lmaoo you stole this off twitter what a bozo
@@stargirl0254 guarantee they win a game at least if they play Boston 🤡
@@anthonymoseley4155 idk bout guranteed, but Boston gonna have to bring their A game. The gotta be consistent if they want to win. Steph also has to show up for the Warriors if they want to win.
Coach Kenny, former coach of the Brooklyn Nets, is also apart of this Warriors team. I watched a 20 win season yet this is the worst season to be a Nets fan no doubt.
Funny how Skip uses great players worst moments to disqualify them (LeBron, Steph, etc) and mediocre players best moments to defend them (Baker Mayfield, Ben Simmons).
That’s part of his gimmick
His niche is to entertain and keep u coming back, he contradicts his takes based on the individual he’s defending
first time watching undisputed?
Yeah I peeped that too.
He's a broken record
He talks about injuries to kevin love and kyrie irving to the cavs for the warriors championship win but fails to mention anything about durant and thompson being injured versus raptors.
He should have already won finals MVP instead of Andre Iguo
Imagine if we would put asterisks by every injury. This year the bucks had middleton out, ja morant was out, tyler herro is out, tim hardway jr is out, jamal murray is out. ASTERISKS! what a stupid concept.
How is Durant doing without Steph? How is Steph doing without Durant? Clown statements all around from skip.
@@filmviral3585 agree
Skippy has a way of finding the outlandish things to bring up even though we know other situation that contradict his initial point. Skippy does this to player he hates.............how does skippy remain on this program exactly???
Its amazing, Skip NEVER gives Bron a pass for playing without help unless he's bashing Steph.
It doesn't matter, his team the Spurs, suck anyways without Robinson, Duncan or kawahi.
It’s astonishing. He has spent over a decade destroying LeBron for his 4-6 record without giving the viewers any context to why, but now he explains the full story because he wants to slander Steph Curry, lmao. I’m blown away by this.
Because he doesn’t see Durant as a threat to Jordan so anyone brought up in a comparison with Jordan he slanders and also steph losing to Lebron in 2016 probably killed skip because it game people another thing to talk about
"had no help" ...if you look at any of those rosters you would see that he had more help than what you're trying to lead on. Lebron got yall casuals fooled.
@@NotebookLives - context??? Are you serious?? The viewers know exactly why 🤦♂️
Unless you’re a casual or just started following the NBA in 2020 - what’s astonishing is people like yourself make excuses.
I’m just happy for Klay. Misses 2 years and comes back to the Finals. The NBA wasn’t the same without him and the Splash Bros doing their thing.
The Warriors has made 6th straight finals when klay is playing! That guy don't get enough credit!
That’s true. I don’t even think the Warriors beat the grizzlies without Klay. He made so many big plays and had a great game 6. Him just being on the floor makes an impact just like Steph.
@@akheat5720 People forget that he's the 2nd best shooter of all time, draymond is one of the best defenders of this generation, AND the fact that they added the 2nd best player in the world at the time in KD in order to beat the KING. Curry is great and all but I feel like he gets way too love for someone who never won a finals MVP.
@@ballinandfallin recency bias is crazyy for him rn too, people out here calling him a top ten player
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We counted the dynasty out after KD left. Doubted 'em more after Steph got injured, then Klay... got way too comfortable underestimating how important Draymond is to the team. Now the apology needs to be as loud as the disrespect.
Well done, Golden State Warriors.
Who counted them out??? They won without KD before. TF???
@@KnockItOffSucka everyone did lol everyone before the season and during the season said they wont make it to the playoffs and if they did they would be first round exits
Draymond green was the best player on a team with *the* *worst* *record* *in* *the* *league* . No apologies are warranted.
@@duanejohnson5399 exactly and when the Warriors were bad, the rest of the league were coming at them hard and laughing. Well guess what we’re back and Steph and Klay and Dray still have quite a bit of basketball to play.
@@jcm7814 its funny how steph, draymond, and klay are all 32 and older and this full team has only played 2 years together and are back to the finals. heck 4 to 5 guys were bench players on other teams last year but we back and everybody hates it
Curry is a reason why the league shoots more 3s, Curry is the reason why everyone wants to join the Warriors, there is a reason why you gotta double Steph when he wakes up, when he comes off the jet, and when he steps foot in the arena. The most unselfish player in this league and the most dangerous player with or without the ball in his hands. He’s top 10 even without his fourth ring
It’s klay that carry them please tell me what is steph with out klay just a bunch of points no wins
Not off the jet 🤣🤣💪🏾
Cap dude is inconsistent nowadays
@@studentofthegame6254 boy you sound stupid. It’s a team sport. Klay isn’t going to generate wins by himself. No player does. Idgaf about some stupid win shares stat a single player is not going to win against a team. If that was the case then the mavericks would’ve beaten the warriors 🤷🏿♂️ stop being media stupid
@@studentofthegame6254 what is lebron without kyrie and klove. What was giannis without middleton. If you take away your best players’ best pieces they are destined to underperform
It seems like Draymond was right when he told KD "we don't need you to win, we won without you"
Was right.
Was Draymond right last year when the warriors wasnt even in the playoffs or that dont count ?
They better say they need Klay though 😂. They was in shambles without him.
They needed him to beat lebron of corse they don’t need him to beat little ole luka
@@jaymoore9181 don’t matter still in the finals after he left Klay didn’t play last year
So by Skip's logic, if we can't credit Steph for winning 2015, then there has to be a asterisk to Kawhi winning in '19 since GSW were without KD and lost Klay..
Great point!!
Last year kyrie was out. The bucks don’t beat the nets with kyrie. They don’t beat the lakers or clippers in the finals if AD and kawhi were playing. Injuries are part of the game
@@jaymayatre Giannis was injured too
Man.. That was the first thing come to my mind as soon as hes started talking 😂😂😂
@@jadeynlovely827 yeah after he gave Kyrie no room to land and stepped on his ankle with all his body weight basically shattering kyrie’s ankle.
Stephen Curry has the dribbling of Allen Iverson, passing like Magic Johnson, Shooting 3's like Reggie Miller, Charisma to fans like Kobe, and being a humble superstar. He changed the system.
curry is not humble🤣 and he can’t pass like magic. and definitely can’t dribble like AI. he stays losing the ball. but curry celebrates after almost every 3 he makes. how is that humble??
Can pass like magic is insane LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO Steph not even as good of a passer as Cp3 but now he can pass like magic 🤣🤣🤣 wtf yea this is why people criticize Steph look at the nonsense your saying
I can tell you’re young
Crazy over exaggeration. Steph is no where near the passer and dribbler that Magic and AI were. Curry is one of the all time greats, possibly top 10 all time after this year, but not based on those reasons you just listed.
Stop it. He's not as good at anything as either of them but his shooting is so much better than anyone ever. He might end up a top 10 player but people like you who gas him up so much are why people hate on him
2016 would always be a top 3 choke disaster class from the Warriors but no one ever mentions warriors being injured and players like Steph PLAYING THROUGH INJURY or even Draymond’s suspension creating a momentum swing that helped Cavs a lot. Yet they always say Dubs won in 2015 because Cavs were injured. If they win this year I could only imagine the excuses
bro the warriors validated 2015 by winning 73 games in 2016. they said they got lucky with injuries to their opponents and did not lose 2 games in a rowthat regular season.
Well for one I never heard of curry playing wit an injury so I don’t wanna hear that😂… 2 ppl do bring up draymond being suspended what are you talking abt. But that point always gets shrunk down bc draymond still played games 6 & 7. That’s still 2 opportunities for the warriors to win and they didn’t like stop it. They choked, it is what it is.
there's no such thing as momentum if there was the warriors would have the chip in 2016 they were up 3-1 in the series
@@mariechambers7917 the only 3-1 that gets mentioned is the blown lead what about the fact that they went 3-1 v. Lebron in championships. any championship can be nitpicked. specially lebron's 4. 2012 lockout season, 2013 ray fallen shot, 2016 draymond suspension, 2020 pandemic or bubble. in 2019 raptors beat a depleted warriors team. in 2021 the bucks beat an injured Brooklyn team.
@@mariechambers7917 “ I never heard of Curry playing injured “ that’s exactly my point. He got injury during those playoffs and played through it. Other role players were injured too but as usual Warriors can’t have excuses
The mental gymnastics skip will do to bash an all time great player is actually pretty impressive
Well played good sir.🍻
He's the best at it. I only watch him for his ridiculous takes.
Unc should just ask: "Ok Skip, what exactly would Steph NEED TO DO, WHAT DO YOU NEED TO SEE before you put him in that Top 10 convo..." To your point, I think the answer for Skip is "Nothing because it's not possible for Steph to get in my Top 10." At least that would be an honest answer and we can just move on LOL
Skip is click bait in human form. His ridiculous takes cause us to discuss it and him. Thus his brand and value grows.
He does it with Lebron so this is nothing new to him.
Let’s just appreciate greatness and how impressive making the finals 6 out of 8 years is because a lot of nba franchises would sign up for that
@Jelly Bean so did memphis apparently
agreed. the warriors are the best we got. i know they're not the 01 lakers, or 96 bulls. but they are the best we got by a mile. people cant appreciate current greatness. 20 years from now the people who hate will jump on the bandwagon and defend these warriors to hate on the then current great team.
The kings would sign up for a playoff appearance 😂
@@pootypotputt I think they'd sign up for 40 wins and a play-in tournament at this point🤣
A lot? Everybody would 😅
Still don’t understand this obsession that he needs a finals MVP. The way Curry elevates his team and improves the players around him is enough. Warriors ball and the unselfish, “team first” nature of their play is rooted in him. There are no 6 finals appearances without him.
Top 10 is all about the nit picks. No finals mvp is a big one
@@notjazz. agreed ! When all players are so talented and skilled, people have to start nit picking in order to debate whose legacy was greater than the other.
I think with another ring he'll eventually be considered a top 10 all timer but if he wins it this year and wins the finals MVP on top of it, it cements that status right here right now.
Yeah they’re crazy, let’s remember Steph wasn’t supposed to be here. He was still doubted after being the best college player during his college days. Steph’s story is remarkable. That’s why I put him over Lebron.
That’s like me trying to get into Harvard and complaining on why they’re nitpicking my High School report cards, if we’re talking about any spot in the top 20 you have to nitpick, Accolades are just as important if not more important then style of play
Steph is the most heavily guarded player in the NBA. Defenders are always ON him and he barely gets foul calls unlike most other star players.
The eye test confirms why Steph falls short. Physical, fouly defense that is not called. Everytime he drives by a defender, they put their legs under him and use their arms to literaly hold him back. That's why he buffed up this season. Trying to take it harder to the basket, and he still doesn't get enough foul calls.
You ain't lying bro
Giannis
Yes, and that is why he is so valuable. Even if he has a mediocre shooting night, it is because the other team sells out to stop him so far from the basket that it opens up opportunities for everyone else. Why does Draymond get to run so many half court fast breaks? Why do the Warriors get so many open cutters when Steph runs off screens going out the 3 point line? Why do so many fake dribble hand offs lead to dunks by the ball handler? Why do so many cuts off faked screens for Steph end up in lay ups?
From an SI article: "Ty Lue admitted to blitzing Curry in the 2017 and 2018 Finals even with Durant and Klay Thompson out there. In a recent podcast episode, Ty Lue opened up about his defensive strategy against Steph in the 2016 Finals as well.
"Steph was a bad guy. He was a bad man. So we had to double team him every time he touched the ball, and he still averaged 27," Ty Lue said when asked about the 2016 Finals. This is consistent with what Ty Lue has said about Steph Curry for years now, even just recently calling him "the most dangerous player in the league.""
@@stonedecatur6602 He's a beast. What about him?
Stephs been to the finals 6 times now, and Skip nails his entire playoff career down to 3 games...
2016 finals debate against Steph always
😂😂😂😂😂😂 your right
Skip is one sick dude
Jerry West made the Finals like 10 times but people RARELY even mention him!
@@TheUltimateRage I mean he’s the logo he gets a ton of credit
UNANIMOUS MVP, changed the game, best shooter ever.
Give the man his flowers, Skip!
plays no defense is weak asf
Doesn't have at least decent defense to save his life. Curry is the GOAT shooter but having no defensive prowess to back him up hurts his case.
He is just not good enough to be in top 10
Didn't even make the playoffs being the only superstar
It’s crazy Steph is unanimous MVP but Jordan or Lebron never was but they won finals MVPs certain times when they won MVP to show that was a mistake by the voters 😂.
The minute I hear Skip discrediting Steph's rings cause of other teams having injuries I just stop watching. You need to be there to get that but of luck. There's a reason they say luck is when hard work meets opportunity.
Warriors have been lucky tho
Bron win over Steph when Steph, Igoudala were hurting while Green was suspended one game and Bogut just out. In fairness, Steph won over Bron when Love and Kyrie got hurt, so I'd say it's a wash
What Skip doesn't understand is that Steph plays in a system where movement and passing are the keys to their success. You don't abandon that for hero ball when you play that system. They'll run plays for Steph, sure, but him just going one-on-one isn't how they win as a team, and he knows that.
Skip really needs the NFL season to start so he can go back to lick Jerry Jones' boots. NBA ain't his thing.
Top 10 players are decent to top tier defensively. Magic is the only player to not win all defensive team but he was a great team defender, and can't be arguably lower than Top 5.
Steph is exploited on defense. He can't guard to save his life.
@@sportshenry198 steph is actually a good team defender, and he's not not a lock down 1 on 1 defender but he isn't terrible
@@sportshenry198 steph is a great team defender. Guys like magic and bird they would be hunted in todays nba because of there lack of lateral quickness so that’s a really bad argument to try to make even shaq they would just put him in ball screens all game cuz he doesn’t wanna come up to help
Golden State plays unselfish ball period. Steph is only concerned with winning. When came back in he started with assist.
They will alway go to the hot hand… unselfish ball
With skip's logic we can put an asterisk beside every NBA finals because we can always find a disadvantage somewhere.
Facts
Someone actually made a video doing just that. Most of em had legit asterisks but some of em were reaches
Difference championships have different values tho but they all mean something.
Facts he’s a really a idiot 😂
Please stop calling it “logic”, it’s not logic it’s propaganda.
It’s a trash sports pundit pushing a narrative based on his personal biases. It ain’t logic.
It’s especially idiotic for an MJ groupie like Skkkip considering the fact that the Lakers were injured when MJ & Pippen beat them
Still wouldn’t put him top of 10
Shaq: 4 Championships 3 Finals MVPs 1MVP
Kobe: 5 Championships 2 Finals MVPs 1 MVP
Duncan: 5 Championships 3 Finals MVPS 2 MVPs
Bird: 3 Championships 2 Finals MVPs 3 MVPs
Russell: 11 Championships 5 MVPs
Wilt: 2 Championships 1 Finals MVP 4 MVPs
Magic: 5 Championships 3 Finals MVPs 3 MVPs
LeBron: 4 Championships 4 Finals MVPs 4 MVPs
Kareem: 6 Championships 2 Finals MVPs 6 MVPs
Jordan: 6 Championships 6 Finals MVPs 5 MVPs 1 DPOY
And thats not even mentioning the fact that all these guys were better defensively and even outside these 10 I could still argue for guys like Olajuwon
I think hes better than russell and bird
What fascinates me is he always bring up old stuff to stop players from being great in his eyes but yet the players he love he over looks the same failures i.e. Jordan’s early playoff losses
Jordan dominated tho
This man said curry didn't play well in game 3 of 2019 finals when he had a 47pts
while facing a box n 1 with. only draymond and cousins coming off a injury with quinn cook, Jonas jerebko etc as teammates
Which is extra ironic considering he just got done praising Ja for.... Scoring a really inefficient 47pts in a loss.
Its embarrassing for Skip at this point.
@@teyvatato2148 Ja won that game
Not to support Skip but they were getting blown out in the process
Steph congratulations i love when he makes skip angry
If GSW wins this, steph will have 4 Titles, 2 MVPs (one being the first unanimous), a finals MVP, 2 scoring titles, and was once the steals leader. There aren’t 10 players that can match that.
Titles are a team accomplishment
ESPN has both Magic and the Big O over Curry in their Top 10 player
I can name 10 players to match that if not better than that.
MJ, Kareem, Bill Rusell, Magic Johnson, Lebron, Larry Bird, Tim Duncan, Shaq, Kobe, Wilt.
The main reason people don’t have steph as a top 10 is because his defense is so poor, but just the fact they r having a topic of having him in the top 10 shows how great his shooting and offense is
The bus rider analogy for KD is official now. Made it to the finals before he was there and after he left
Not a race to the finals and race to see who wins it and they haven’t won shi so stop nuts riding
@@stargirl0254 the importance of Klay means more than ever now too. He’s the X factor to them winning rings or not.
did u forget KD took okc to the finals before he ever went to GOLDEN STATE
@@thernbroom5154 but he lost to lebron in 2012, Curry beat lebron in 2015, pre-KD
@@datsapaddlin6449 Yeah that's true. But this slander of KD is ridiculous. Skip likes KD, therefore, I don't. Odd. Big toe away from finals last year. I know people can only remember the last game played. This dude just came back from an achilles tear.
Skip is a damn broken record at this point. Did Steph choke during that series? Yes, he did. Has he since redeemed himself many times over, yes he has.
Skip lacks the capacity to analyze anything.
@@TheRealMikeyP Acting like he didn't win before KD. He got his redemption before 2016 even happened.
@@TheRealMikeyP Thank you lol
He will fully redeem himself as Shannon said if wins the finals and gets finals mvp. He won’t if they lose, or he doesn’t get mvp.
@@TheRealMikeyP you can put an asterisk against many championships. That's the nature of the beast. Some will get hurt, foul trouble, covid, etc. That's no excuse. A win is a win.
@@TheRealMikeyP even if the Warriors were to win this finals, many idiots out there will still make excuses. Ooh it's because the Clippers weren't fully healthy.. oh it's because the Lakers couldn't get their ish together. Oh it's because Ja Morant was hurt. There will always be excuses. A win is a win. Period!!!
I truly believe Skip doesn’t believe superstars in 80s and 90s had bad shooting nights.
I already had Curry in my top 10.
I remember Gary Payton holding MJ to 6/19 or 6/20 shooting in the finals but skip won't bring that up
I lived during the 80s its to funny how now Jordan is the best sorry Kareem magic bird were the gate keepers and in their prime Jordan had no shot...he beat nobody in the finals.
MJ must've hurt y'all feelings lol. But hey that's the Glove GP. Man could lock up anybody
Bro I’m not even a mj fan but do you guys care about him this much and if you guys act like he guarded him 1on1 every position nah it was a team game but you guys are like 12 😂😂
what is there to bring up? didn't he win the finals against him, regardless? lol
@Spokesman of MJ ya just stop 😭😭
Skip: They won the finals "that's the difference" yet Giannis gives it his all and wins the finals MVP and wins the title for the Bucks but skip still bashes him for playing the Suns.
cause he doesn't deserve to win the title
@@jonathanchen9587 lmao when has winning been about who "deserves" it? It's about the better team.
@@ValSempai fr the person who deserves the title is the winner lol people just mad their team are irrelevant and hate when the warriors are on top
This dude has resentment for those guys in the NBA bcuz he couldn't play basketball.
This was actually a good discussion 👍 Agree with points made by both. Steph choked embarassingly in 2016, but every superstar has choked. Also the Warriors have proven that KD needed the warriors more than they needed him.
Jordan didn't choke.
@@johnsmith_1942 he did in a few games in the 96 finals. but they won because their team was still overwhelmingly better than the sonics. no hate on MJ i’m just telling the truth
He was hurt
@@johnsmith_1942 yes he did. He choked and he had teammates to save him in those finals and to win still in 6 games because Scottie played great defense and Rodman had 11 offensive rebounds in game 7 and I think he had 19 rebounds overall, soo Jordan clearly had better teammates and that's why he won that championship, it doesn't mean that he didn't choked, he did choked in those finals, the did is only that Curry lost and Jordan won, that's why nobody talks about it.
@@hristijandimitrovski8664 the thing is, if jordans shot isn’t going down, he is still one of the greatest defenders of all time, and a great playmaker, curry may pass but we’ve seen curry be absolutely useless on defense, i can never put a player top 10 all time when they get subbed out for defensive purposes
I believe Jordan, Kobe and Lebron have a few missed buzzer beaters. Uncle Shay brought up a good point Bird, Jordan have a few terrible finals games that we never ever talk about.
If Curry can't be top 10 then neither can KD Skip. The same qualifiers apply
Good luck getting that thru to him
Yes they both not top 10. Nothing wrong with that.
Neither is top 10 rn.
@@MrGenexxx Facts
@NopeNopeNope yea i dont see how steph is moving past those 10 players
I've never been more convinced that Steph > KD all time.. first time healthy GSW right back in Finals?? 😂
still missing wiseman
What if KD didn't have big feet? Would you say the same thing? Or is this another example of the goldfish memory effect?
@@ItIsYouAreNotYour And what if brick shots were clean swishes? Just an inch off.. he got bounced early round this year and last, while KD watches GSW rolling as usual lol..
GS > Brooklyn. I fixed it for you
Healthy ? Playing non healthy teams
In the 2016 Finals that Skip loves to spout stats, Steph had slipped on a wet spot in the WCF vs. Houston and injured his knee. It was in question whether he could make it back for the Finals. He played injured, BUT Skip never mentions that injury. It was the Finals so Steph played. And they would've won had Lebron not pulled a last resort stunt and Teabag Draymond then lobby the NBA to have him suspended for the all important Game 5.
Has Skip ever played sports? Or was he the last pick on the playground a team had no choice but to take.
Thank you I!!!!!!!
STRAIGHT FACTS!!!!!
THIS COMMENT
Or the hand injury he got in the rockets series in 2019..curry was playing after dislocating his fingers. And he still lead them past the harden cp3 rockets and past the trail blazers in a sweep..but losing klay on top of kd was too much wieght on his shoulders against a healthy raptors team with kwani and lowry
@@dre-p3058 Damn I forgot about that!!!!
I always knew Skip secretly loves Lebron. He is defending him when it comes to Steph!! Although he really sounds like a broken record for keep going back to one bad shooting night. As FMVP, does anyone know that Steph is the ONLY one in history to avg 26 and 6 in the winning team to not win a mvp? And it happened 3 times on him!! The league hates him for not signing with Nike!
So all GSW fans should not keep buying Nike
😂
It’s funny how skip changes his argument best on his personal feelings! When it’s about bron, he says he should’ve gotten the job done even with Kevin and kyrie out and that it’s brons fault… not with Steph he keeps bringing up the same 2016 series…. Bruh that’s years ago lol apparently to skip, you have to be perfect and have no mistakes
everyone has to be MJ apparently lol
@Jelly Bean so if the 2015 warriors had no steph they would be inna finals. Let me remind you he was the mvp that year as well. You clearly are uneducated on this subject. I know you have no idea what steph averaged in any finals he played. Get that hate out your heart. Its not good for u
@Jelly Bean the warriors was Durants team for 2 years, warriors fans full of narratives
@@makaiwinchester9582 if anything Lebron should’ve been finals mvp in 2015, lol warriors fans disrespecting iggy like that
@@mynutsonyourchin2806 if it was his team he would’ve never left
to be honest, everytime skip speaks of 2016 finals for a steph argument, I always fast forward to the next statements. He cannot move on.
I mean to be fair he does the same thing y’all do for lebron🤷🏾♂️. Everyone loves to mention when lebron didn’t win or his meltdown in 2011 where he played bad Skip still brings it up till this day even in this damn video he did that😂😂. So it’s only right to mention curry’s meltdown up 3-1. And his bad performances, the same way ppl do for bron when sb calls him the goat. Well ppl are tryna say curry will be in the top 10 all time so skip hints at why he shouldn’t be. Jus like he does for bron wit the goat debate🤷🏾♂️
Steph is the GOAT F.O.H..
I love how skip dismiss curry 1st ring and give it to iggy
Like the next year he aint beat K.D into submission and that loss to Cleveland was suspect plus his career min avg like 32. I cant recall how many games he sat the entire 4th qtr cause he went on a personal 15-0 run against teams I got Steph1 kobe2 jordan3
Nah MJ, Bron, Steph top 3 all time for me. If steph wins 3 more rings, 3 finals mvps he's the goat.
You would think that this show would be concerned that skip is turning off viewers. It doesn’t take much to see that this is just hate for Warriors and Curry. But because Curry has Character. He won’t respond. Skip doesn’t deserve a response he just rants and raves don’t give it any dignity.
Does Skip have the “games 5, 6 and 7” speech and all the corresponding stats memorized by heart?
The thing that people never talk about with Curry that I actually think is his biggest HOF reason is how he fundamentally changed how the game was played. It’s something you can’t measure but it’s impossible to explain how basketball got to be this way without spending a lot of time talking about Curry.
He has more impact than any player since Shaq in that regard
Everyone talks about this when speaking on curry buddy. Are u dumb?
never talk about?????????????????
Hypocrisy in this show. “Save us” and in the same breath, “kd joined the best team he could”
Didn’t skip have James Harden over Steph 😂😂
Skip just had to bring up the 2011 finals lmfao, I swear it's his favourite anecdote
When they first got together they said they wouldn’t make the finals and they did. Plus don’t forget Dallas beat Kobe team and dirk play his heart out
So Lebron has a pass for losing when Kevin Love got hurt but when Klay got hurt against Toronto it was on Steph … hahaha
I just wish GSW wins with SC as MVP to see Skip then saying Curry was a bus driver on those first 3 rings 🤷🏻♂️
Klay played 4games & 3 quarters in that series Kyrie played a game in 2015 and love played no games like idk how ya tryna make that equivalent 🤣🤣🤣 bc the warriors were getting smoked by the raptors by the roster they had b4 kd that’s jus the facts that 2015 series was free rep for the warriors the 2019 raptors beat the team that one 73 games wit out kd klay was hurt for a game and and quarter like stop it
Steph missed a wide open game winner vs Toronto in game 6.
STOP IT, Klay is easily a top 75 player as is Kyrie. Klay when in the zone is often better than Curry
Kyrie may have top 75 skills but he has not had a top 75 career.
No I’ll take Steph on his bad day than game 6 klay you’re trolling
@@kennethopoku226 well curry is very inconsistent so even on an average day he is can be bad, but Klay put up 37 point in one quarter, that averages to 148 points in one game lol
Steph was robbed of the Finals MVP in 2015! he has had lots of big playoff games, Magic is still a top 10 player even though he was called ''Tragic Johnson'' and Jordan had some bad shooting games in the finals skip!! 💯
Jordan choked in 89 but that's always overlooked
@@sportstalkonly1442 exactly nobody ever wants to talk about how JorBum avraged 30 on 47 percent shooting what a overrated bum
The finals Mvp trophy died in 2015, the Nba should get rid of that trophy, or rename that trophy to Steph curry trophy, winning a chip is a team thing
@@norvinzor that’s nasty 😂😂
@@sportstalkonly1442 exactly they don’t mention it ugh 😣
Everyone knew that KD needed the Warriors without them he doesn’t get those two rings. It only proves to me that you need to stack the deck against Lebron.
Did Dallas need to stack the deck?
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i lmao right
Without kd warriors would not beat lebron get that right
@@user-jj3xn5ms2i lol yall love saying that like 2 things cant be true. That dallas team was good. Same team that SWEPT yall “goat” Kobe Bryant lol
@@stargirl0254 they just beat him in 2015 get that right
When Skip says mmmhh lol lol
This debate was great
Why am I not surprised that Skip placed LeBron all the way down at 9 in a Top 10 All Time Great List lol
lebron is top 5... but as far as starting a team.... hes like 9th for me too.... kobe mj duncan kareem magic wilt russell , maybe eveb steph
19:09 thats a good point by Shannon but he also forgot to mention how Magic with Larry also saved the NBA after what might be it’s worst decade ever which is a forgotten fact, Steph helped push the 3 pt revolution but Magic a big reason why Basketball began to reach other countries and gotten these guys paid what they are now
Before Magic and Bird the playoffs were on tape delay.
It was more mj Kobe and lebron who made it international
@@kingsnake8670 mj international yes but magic bird rivalry def got the nba more popular then jordan took it to another level, by himself
half truth... MJ made the NBA go global. even Magic and Bird will say that about MJ.
@@MrAnonymous650 obviously but they where a big part of it as well, people went to see the USA Olympic teams play not just MJ
Every time Shannon says “right” the fact Skip doesn’t get his sarcasm is hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
I just keep thinking of that press conference rebuttal the late great Dennis Green said ' IF YOU WANT TO CROWN HIM THEN CROWN HIM ALREADY ' 😆
I'm starting to dislike skip bc everytime on this show when they talk abt steph he brings up the 2016 finals which was 6 years ago ok skip we get it steph did not have a good game like Ok we get it I dont understand why he always try to discredit steph he needs to get over it
Because in a all time discussion u gotta talk about a players whole carrer and when u in the media u make yo dollars by critiquing ones lows
Everytime he does. Like if he is so perfect
I agree with Skip, who are you taking off the top 10. Kobe, Shaq, Bird. All the guys in the top 10 are better than Steph.
Skip said "Where are you going to stick Steph?" Lol. Don't agree with him hardly. But he got this right.
That's just it. Who are you going to bump?🤔📝19:43
@@Greg-qw7xl I'd slide him in over Shaq for sure. Possibly Russel and Chamberlain as well.
Skip be like yeah leonardo da vinci was ok did you see his drawing when he was 4 a great! I think not lol
Skip “I’ve never seen anything like it before” Bayless
I feel like trying to debate whether Curry should be top-10 is so one-dimensional and off the point, like measuring him with the wrong sticks.
Curry is the ultimate definition of being THE SYSTEM in itself to elevate everyone around him. It was never about individual accolades and stats with Curry; it's always the team above himself. Curry's off-ball game is never obvious or recorded in stats sheets, yet it has always been the critical element contributing to GSW's overall success that is criminally ignored, overlooked and underrated. I swear casuals to this day are still thinking Curry is "just running around" all game. 🤷♂
How does skip go from steph curry to debating Mj and Lebron with the 2011 final
So are we going to ignore the fact that stuff in the 2016 playoffs / finals that Steph was dealing with injuries like when he hurt the knee and Ankle in the Houston series in the first round and later on in the playoffs he had a right shoulder injury on his shooting side although Curry didn't make no excuses but we all saw he was dealing with injuries and it affected him but you don't hear Skip Bayless even mentioning that part
Warriors were up 3-1 with games 5 and 7 at home. They choked.
Why do I continue to watch anything with Skip Bayless in it lol
Absolutely Steph can be top 10 if he wins or by the end of his career. Losing to Lebron in the finals isnt a big knock on his resume. Lebron is top 3 all time. KD isnt a valid excuse since Steph won before having KD and after KD left Steph is still going further than him.
And to Shannons point a lot of people can physically reach or surpass Steph, yet they arent him. No one is gonna be 7'1" 330lbs and move like Shaq. Plenty of dudes are gonna be 6'3" 190lbs or more like Steph, yet why has Steph been able to change the game just as much as Shaq?
Kyrie has the same build as Steph, just as skilled, better handles too. Yet Kyrie hasnt been able to get his career anywhere close to Stephs and Kyrie is elite.
To place Steph in the top 10, who are you kicking out? That's the question nobody that claims he moves into the top 10 with a win here seems to want to answer, nor can justify their answer if they even do
In that 2015 finals curry was the finals mvp but at the same time I don't have any issue with Andre Iguodala getting it because he was just as impactful in those finals and the finals mvp is only for what you do in the finals but if we are talking about who was the mvp on that Warriors squad for that entire 2014-15 playoffs overall, that was for sure Curry no doubt. In that 2014-15 playoffs from start to finish Curry averaged 28.3 points, 6.4 assists, 5 rebounds, 1.9 steals, shooting 42% from 3 and 46% from the field which is very good for him.
agreed, the media makes it seem like despite andre winning the fmvp steph was not the best player on that team. kawhi leonard and tony parker were not the franchise player when they won their fmvps it was duncan. chauncey billups was not the franchise player in 2004 it was ben wallace. in 1981 cedric maxwell won the MVP over larry bird, in 1980 magic won the MVP over kareem it was clearly kareem's MVP go look at the stats. kind of like it was steph MVP in 2015.
Curry was also slightly more impactful in the finals than Iggy, but ok...
Just a simple question, without Steph, can GW be in west final with the rest of the team?
This is kinda a bad argument cause you can say the same for every team that has a star player
Why did I expect “chosen one became frozen one” in a Steph Curry video and not get disappointed?
Steph does have to shoot better in the Finals, but the warriors are so deep he doesn't need to play great for them to win.
Steph shot 44% from 3 this series. I think he will be fine if he plays like this.
Yea he was good this series, consistent and made shots when it mattered. A bit shakey against Memphis and also played well against Denver. This is the finals run that matters if we are going to put Curry in the top 10.
Everyone in the stater line up for the warriors has been drafted by GS!! That make curry even bigger.. he is doing these by him self !
and that’s why it’s hard to put him Top 10 when you can play bad multiple games but ALLL your teammates Hoops and y’all win. his numbers are gonna look good but he’s not playing Top10 all time caliber basketball. Luka was the OBVIOUS best player in that Dallas series and that’s not good. but you win cause your help balled out
He was shooting great until the elimination game. However, I think Poole will step up big time in the finals. they could be neck and neck in PPG
People love discrediting Curry’s first championship due to injuries but Skip LOVES Kawhi Leonard and that chip he last won was ALSO won because of injuries he’s beyond biased
Facts 💯
I've never seen most professional teams plan to double-team one man all season (Mickey mouse tournament, 2021 season). I never saw one man be such an offensive threat the moment he literally crossed the half-court line. I've never one man who only gets less than half of foul calls while shooting threes or when finishing under the rim. Steph and the small ball line-up have changed the game. Shoutout to the organization for actually drafting a core and not "bending" for All-Star players to join them. Steph is top 10.
People act like hops is the only form of athleticism.
People forget dexterity, agility, stamina is included in athletics.
Duncan really needs to be talked about more for goat status
@Anthony Mercado okay.. magic played with 6 hof players... and like 3 top 10 all timers.. bird played with about 5 hall of famers... Kobe and shaq... durant ...curry... jordan..lebron.. etc.. all played with hall of Famer when they won...
curry so big folks now saying “ Currrryyyyy” like with Kobe every time we shoot a basket or trash in the trash can 😂🤷🏾♂️
Facts. It’s habit at this moment
funny when people talk about injuries for teams the Warriors played and always forget the terrible injuries the Warriors had in playoff series. Even players coming back to play series.
He changed the game. Definitely top 10 personally I think he is already.
Lebron, jordan, Kobe, Kareem, magic, bird, Shaq, wilt, Duncan, Russell that’s the top 10, curry with 4 rings and 1 fmvp can surpass wade and Dr J but not Isaiah Thomas and Olajuwon, why? Because DURANTS warriors happened
Lillard, harden, Beal, Klay, curry were part of revolutionizing the game
Kobe only has 1 Reg season MVP, he’s not an all time great?
He has 5 rings and 2 FMVP playing in arguably the toughest era. Beat a Celtics team with 3 HOF and a very good point guard. Kobe easily top 3-6 player of all time. Only people that are ahead without a question Jordan, Kareem everybody else he has a case
Wait u straight up saying Kobe not an all time great or just asking if he is? 🤨
@@isaacsmith3901 no Ofcourse not. Shannon was saying if you don’t have MULTIPLE regular season MVPs, that automatically disqualifies you from top ten. I was pointing out how clearly that kinda can’t be true, or atleast Kobe is the exception
I can see the warriors starting their run for a 3peat, then Steph would have 6 rings, top 5 for sure then
I can see that happening. The warriors system is one that no other team can really match. They’ve also extended their primes with Poole, Wiggins, and kuminga. Curry will end his career with 6 rings and 3 finals mvps.
Honest to god if Curry finishes with 6 on warriors or not he goes 4th for me
We don’t even know if they’ll beat Boston. Hold on to your horses mate. Let them win this one first.
The resume is impeccable but then when you look through it and dig deep and see the context your like damn he’s either the 2nd fiddle or chokin man
Y’all got good writing on the show, No “pun intended “.
What about everybody on the 2016 warriors team being hurt Skip? I think that 2015 and 2016 cancel each other out. Skip has a lot of hate in his heart.
Who was hurt in 2016 outside of Bogut?
@@TruthDissident Steph Curry was playing on a MCL Sprain, & Andre Iguodala was playing on a back injury he injured in Game 5
KD looking real stupid right now 🤣🤣🤣🤣 this one has too hurt
I don't know why people think this, KD chose to go play for another team with his friend because winning was no longer a big deal to him
@@3nim3nimabl3 I think he's talking about the fact that this will diminish his legacy if the warriors were to win a finals before and after KD
@@javaughn77 I promise you he’ll be okay, bro is living life rn
@@3nim3nimabl3 🤣🤣🤣🤣 you got to be kidding me right reread what you typed bro Kd left because he had no rings with Westbrook or or he purposely lost to team up with the team he had down 3-1 he most certainly didn't leave to golden state because winning wasn't no longer a care of his 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@javaughn77 bingo big hit to his legacy
Yeah a lot of Skip's points here were biased, but when he got down to actually listing his top 10 it's kinda hard to argue. I don't agree with the order of Skip's top 10, but I'd have to agree that I can't put Steph above any of those 10 guys. He's probably 11 or 12 though.
Curry is definitely better then bird
@@turnup4108 I don't know about that man. I'm not saying it's not close but Bird was a better defender and rebounder. Also despite Curry being being a point guard and Bird a SF I'd say Bird was the better passer.
@@turnup4108 lmao Steph ain’t Larry bird ya need to stop that bird avg 24,10&6 for a career that’s better numbers than Steph like cut it out
@@Josh-fg5if Bill Russell gotta go
@@kendrelc5977 Sure Steph is a better scorer than Russell ever dreamed of being and he revolutionizedthe game with his 3pt shot, but Russell was a five time mvp with 11 rings and was one of the greatest rebounders, defenders, and leaders in nba history. He also revolutionized the game with his shot blocking. In terms of accomplishments Steph can't touch Bill Russell.
yeah, let's keep blaming Steph for Love and Kyrie's Injuries lol. so now, if the team that's gonna be in the finals against the GSW loses any key player(s) due to injuries and Steph wins the chip/FMVP, this is still gonna be the narrative. y'all just can't give this man his flower lol.
People bring up Kevin and Kyrie as if Cleveland had those two they would have swept the Warriors. But, before Cleveland came back to win the FOLLOWING YEAR, Lebron, Kevin & Kyrie were down 3-1 to the same Golden State squad! Had Draymond not gotten suspended, and had Bogut not gotten hurt! And if Iggy goes up stronger on his final layup, we're not even having this inane discussion!
Skip just lost all respect from me by ranking lebron at 9 🤨
We're here to see how Skip pulls Lebron into this topic, let's see. I can hear the Steph mini me comments now 😂😂😂
One thing about Steph for sure is definitely range. Noticed the past few years back when Steph was really showing the world what he could do, now more players pull up from further out
So wait…Lebron lost Kevin Love and Kyrie in the first Cavs vs Warriors matchup and it’s “Poor Lebron”, but Steph lost KD and Klay in the Finals series against the Raptors and that was Steph coming up short? Make it make sense Skip.
2016 is stuck in his damn head like crazy for Steph
Literally the only knock he constant brings up lol
Wasn’t curry injured that yr I’m pretty sure his knee was a lil jacked that series
@@rosemarygervais1110 He was injured
1. MJ
2. Kareem
3. Lebron
4. Russell
5. Magic
6. Duncan
7. Shaq
8. Kobe
9. Bird
10. Wilt
I don't think curry is touching these guys until he wins another 2 rings and 2FMVP. He's definitely knocking on the door though. Might put him at 11 over hakeem if he wins this years FMVP and ring. He's not quite there yet but, he's really close.
But Bron only won 4 🤷(coming from a Bron fan)
@@travismakgo9882 I don't understand. Why are you using lebron as an argument?
@@gerson7366 cause you basically sayin, Steph needs 5 rings to surpas or even be in the same convo than all those players you mentionned
@@travismakgo9882 Cause those players has at least 2FMVP and at least 3 rings. Steph has 0 FMVP and 3 rings. If he gets 1FMVP he's surely no.11 arguably top10 at least. It's his 4 rings 1 FMVP 2 league MVP vs wilts 2rings 2 FMVP 4 league MVP. If he gets another chip and FMVP he's definitely top 10 all time. That's not even a question anymore.
Lebron
Jordan
Kareem
Magic
Wilt
Russell
Shaq
Kobe
Bird
Duncan
Hakeem
11 guys right there; Curry might have a better resume but hard for me to put him above any of those guys even if he wins this one
Thank you Shay‼️‼️‼️💯
Thank god someone said it...No other player of our era had the privilege of playing with 2 All Stars alongside him basically his whole prime.Had a first team all NBA for 2 years..Putting him above top 15 is blasphemous i bet people saying Curry is a top 10 player are 25 and under and never watch these great legends play.
I would put myself over curry because when I beat LeBron all my teammates were over their prime and I locked down LeBron. And in Toronto I was the solo superstar carrying the raptors beating Butler embiid, giannis and Steph. I was more dominant with lesser teammates, my 2 finals mvp 2dpoy> his 3 rings 2 mvp.
Steph's great, and he's an all timer but can you name another player in the Top 10 who wasn't the best player on his own team and the other guy isn't in the top 10? It was clear when they were together KD is a better overall player than Steph, not sure how you can put Steph in there ahead of: Jordan-LeBron-Kareem-Magic-Wilt-Shaq-Bird-Duncan-Russell-Kobe
He's great but he is not better than any of those guys. He will end up in the 11-20 range I think.
it took jordan 10 years to get to the finals 6 times it took us 8. thats all i have to say
He is 6 for 6 with 6FMVP that’s all I have to say
DPOTY 10 time scoring champion
The older i get the more i learn how tall these star players were..i never new magic was 6”9..im more into football but still, it’s starting to make more sense..this game was takin away by bigs..jus sayin if u stood over a trash can or at least the same height u should be able to shoot it in or dunk..so are basketball players really that athletic