This pesky light illusion ruins so many beginner drawings!

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  • @scottscott9150
    @scottscott9150 3 года назад +10

    You are such a great teacher. You seem genuinely patient, compassionate and kind. A great thing to be towards those often frustrated hopeful artists with huge mountains to climb.

  • @mallorydurrick
    @mallorydurrick 4 года назад +45

    Thanks for making this video. I love the reasons behind WHY things don’t look right.

  • @stephstokes7321
    @stephstokes7321 4 года назад +96

    My last painting teacher spent like a whole year training me to see this. Your lightest shadow should never be lighter than you darkest light, and your darkest light should never be darker than your lightest shadow!

    • @jstqw
      @jstqw 4 года назад

      What if there's a multiple light sources/strong rimlight?

    • @sonalsrivastava2591
      @sonalsrivastava2591 3 года назад +1

      Aren't those 2 statements exactly the same. I'm confused!

    • @xxghastlytonerxx
      @xxghastlytonerxx 3 года назад +2

      They are the same, but you use both depending on what you’re working on. As you work on your shadows you should be conscious about marking darker than the darkest light, but when you work on the light you should be conscious about marking lighter than your lightest shadow, a mindset for each job

  • @vivaldirules
    @vivaldirules 4 года назад +18

    You are so good at teaching, Kenzo. Thank you! You explain things so well partly because you’re learning as you go. The fact that you so openly admit to how dumbfounded you are by that last image is terrific. Thank you.

  • @CameraEd1
    @CameraEd1 4 года назад +36

    "The Interaction of Color" by Josef Albers is a great resources on this topic. Every artist should own a copy of it...

  • @vishvamitrar
    @vishvamitrar 3 года назад +1

    dood you talk from heart ... was so natural like a conversation.

  • @Janehaver
    @Janehaver 3 года назад

    Oh my goodness, your channel is underrated, this is the type of explanation on light I have been looking for thanks!

  • @michelegirard
    @michelegirard 3 года назад +1

    I don’t understand why you don’t have more subscribers, you’re one of the best channels on RUclips .

  • @katrinatia-jasmine7704
    @katrinatia-jasmine7704 3 года назад +1

    The absolute wealth of knowledge contained within this channel never ceases to amaze me. One of the best quality art channels out there. Thank you!

  • @kanachiaki
    @kanachiaki 4 года назад +6

    Color is such an interesting but also confusing topic ^^'

  • @totalme302
    @totalme302 4 года назад +2

    I appreciate that you tried, I know it is hard to explain this sort of things, but you did well

  • @vampirethespiderbatgod9740
    @vampirethespiderbatgod9740 3 года назад +1

    THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
    I just want to say, you're one of the best masters in the world. Thank you for sharing your knowledge back into this world. Which shows that you're a good man.

  • @lifeisfun_28
    @lifeisfun_28 3 года назад

    Wow!!! Your videos are awesome♡♡♡ I just happened to come across your channel this morning and have learned a LOT on how to depict shadows and light in my paintings. Your way of explaining and giving simple demos to illustrate your point are SPOT ON in making them 'click' in my head. (Like how the form gets lost when you focus on all the subtle value differences (losing the light vs dark idea) by making them more exagerated than they are, etc. )
    I love the quiz questions too because it makes me realize misconceptions I didn't even realize I had, causing me to focus on them as you progress through the video. (This video has many great demos and examples. It was gard to believe the strip across the value chart was all the same color. I thought you did it in reverse it something. As simple as some examples may seem, it is critical to think of those concepts we take for granted because our brain just does it for us. Even the example where you showed a compare and contrast of the reflected/bounce off light onto an orange on white vs black cloth. Black absorbs all wavelengths but it is easy to forget to think about it when analyzing and painting what you see. Another great example was the simple, but mind opening demo of your hand with and without your other hand underneath, illustrating how much of a difference that reflected light can make.
    Like in psychology, it seems like common sense, but easy to miss if you don't train your mind to think of the 'why' and what I am actually looking at inorder to be able to convey it in a painting.
    I have heard the paint coach and many other artusts discuss the same technical concept of getting the value correct, but it still all felt vague getting lost in the art lingo. Rather than reducing things to in the light vs shadow as you did, he would just say "value" and my brain would flash back to that crazy ten+ gray gradient strip, in turn made the whole concept as clear as mud, due to how difficult it can be to determine the value of a color without taking a black and white pic of the object to really determine which subtle value change it matches.
    ...This video was so eye opening. No wonder fifuring out the correct value right off the bat so hard!! The exact color can look totally different depending on the surroundings, which gets tricky to when you try to paint an interpretation of "what you think you see" rather than how it is in real life. Haha ( You also showing images to contrast a bad vs good vs great drawing due to common misconceptions is super helpful on "why" those frustrating issues constantly come up and how to fix them.
    Thanks for the videos!!

  • @GarmanyRachel
    @GarmanyRachel 4 года назад +14

    I’m laughing so hard, just a week ago I went down a color rabbit hole, lost my grip on reality and I’ve still not quiet recovered😂

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад +12

      i watched a video about how magenta isn't real, which seemed crazy. then i found out this idea had been debunked and felt relieved, but then when I read the debunking article, it turns out it's not that magenta isn't real, it's that all colours aren't real?!!

  • @keebo1922
    @keebo1922 2 года назад

    An existential crisis relating to your perception of the world put wiht joyful music, I love it

  • @Top.G.Andy.C
    @Top.G.Andy.C 4 года назад

    Your lighting in this video is another perfect example of your explanation when squinting and focusing normal. I realised this while testing the theory you mention as I watched haha

  • @bobxbaker
    @bobxbaker Год назад +1

    my struggle with tones in general is that i don't know how to handle the darkest midtones, it feels like i always do the darkest midtones too bright to begin with because i always average out the midtone to be somewhere in the middle of the midtones and so when i go brighter it has less range to go so i try to push darker midtones in but it creates this cascading problem of needing to redefine every form shadow.

  • @bricarri
    @bricarri 3 года назад

    Good one Kenzo! Questioning the nature of “reality” is good!

  • @JSebLf
    @JSebLf 2 года назад

    Thank you for this journey through light and color, to which you invite us. Is awesome
    Thank you very much Kenzo

  • @amandasanders1141
    @amandasanders1141 4 года назад +3

    Amazing! Thank you for explaining 🙂

  • @WindspielArt
    @WindspielArt 4 года назад

    Oh wow, that color thing with the blue and yellow rod thingy blew my mind! I knew that colors are weird and our brains are much weirder but thats totally crazy... Now I want to research that topic more too...

  • @laurahowden7307
    @laurahowden7307 4 года назад +1

    This is so valuable for me as a beginning artist. Thank you!

  • @daftcruz
    @daftcruz 4 года назад

    Great video!
    The "squint tip" is very good, you can even see the two matching gray values in that illusion.
    And here's another tip : if you're on to digital painting or using photos, you can use the Cutout Filter in Photoshop to simplify the value tones.

  • @cch5ng
    @cch5ng 4 года назад +3

    the live drawing session scheduled for Sun (062820, drawing with confidence) ended early for me. it said the video violated youtube terms of service. I'm not sure why bc we weren't even drawing a nude at that point. but thanks for holding the session. I liked the sumo wrestler pose a lot. this happened also during one of my other drawing channels. a little weird but what the hey.

  • @nicholasnunn806
    @nicholasnunn806 3 года назад

    Great video, I loved the advice about the rabbit hole at the end 😀

  • @stratovolcano7813
    @stratovolcano7813 3 года назад

    This is a really excellent point, very helpful explanation.

  • @lemondude6174
    @lemondude6174 4 года назад +96

    “The lightest dark is darker than the darkest light”
    - Proko

    • @CollectorDuck
      @CollectorDuck 3 года назад +11

      Lol yeah nobody had heard of that before proko..

    • @cepo3597
      @cepo3597 3 года назад +3

      It's a rule, its not from Proko, he just uses it. :D

    • @vampirethespiderbatgod9740
      @vampirethespiderbatgod9740 3 года назад +2

      @@CollectorDuck Why so snarky?
      He is not saying thay Proko made the statement for the first time.

    • @CollectorDuck
      @CollectorDuck 3 года назад +4

      @@vampirethespiderbatgod9740 I'm not snarky. It's just a silly thing to attribute to him. It's like saying "an apple a day keeps the doctor away - Barack Obama" It's pretty close to common knowledge and adding that as a quote by someone just looks hilarious. Lighten up champ.

    • @sonalsrivastava2591
      @sonalsrivastava2591 3 года назад

      Oh god! More confused now. I thought kenzo said the 2 are the exact same value.

  • @Wal48
    @Wal48 4 года назад

    Thank you so much for this, I REALLY struggle with this. I can see that this is responsible for my almost good efforts that never really have that simple clarity of light to dark that I’m after, and probably why my flowers never work out when I try to put shadows on. I will try to keep the principles that you explained so well in mind from now on.

  • @billhite781
    @billhite781 4 года назад

    Wow, You do make sense. Loved your explanation and props. Thanks for the reminder not to go to far down the rabbit hole. Squinting works but is a skill I'm still working on.

  • @DanutaONeill
    @DanutaONeill 4 года назад

    Fascinating Kenzo. You've really opened my eyes. Thanks.

  • @santone1849
    @santone1849 4 года назад

    this was brilliant . also love how expressive you get . Great explaination

  • @HappyHealthyLiving
    @HappyHealthyLiving 4 года назад

    Thank you for explaining this concept, and sharing your passion for art

  • @rodrigogalliano4609
    @rodrigogalliano4609 2 года назад

    I adore your lessons

  • @aneelaasghar5666
    @aneelaasghar5666 4 года назад

    I recently discovered your channel and it is immensely helpful for beginners! Thank you so much :)

  • @debbiesunlight7047
    @debbiesunlight7047 3 года назад

    Brilliant. Thankyou so much

  • @pe.g3436
    @pe.g3436 4 года назад

    Thanks a lot for this helpful video, Kenzo! (And for many other of your helpful videos, of course.) I thought it so helpful I shared it with my group of painting-students because it really shows very well the importance of value. Thanks again! And please keep up your good work!

  • @GenericInternetter
    @GenericInternetter 3 года назад +1

    6:45 I tested this in an image editing application and they're not actually the same exact colour - This is probably due to youtube's video compression system. These two colours are however, both around 135/255 GREY. Yes, both very similar greys, the difference is barely noticeable. One is very slightly blueish and the other very slightly yellowish - You need to literally put pixels next to each other to tell them apart.

  • @reikadoodles
    @reikadoodles 3 года назад

    💐 Thank you for sharing your knowledge
    I think the words you were looking for were local value versus ambiante light⚘

  • @jasonfml1
    @jasonfml1 4 года назад

    Thank you thank you thank you ! This is sooooooo helpful !

  • @Sharimapic
    @Sharimapic 4 года назад

    Hm, when you've mentioned that things don't actually have color and it's only our mind's trick, I've suddenly remembered the physical origins of color - different hues derive from the wavelength of the reflected light from the object. In this case blacks are just lack of the reflected light, because the objects wholly "consumes" it. For example, when you turn off the switch in the midnight, the room doesn't actually has colors anymore - these are mostly values of black and grey. Just for the same reason - there's not enough light from the window for the objects to reflect the colors back (plus material consumes it), so it turns out pretty grey-ish!
    I hope that makes sense : D Understanding the physics behind the light could definitely help to perceive it artistically.

  • @rolandkatsuragi
    @rolandkatsuragi 4 года назад +6

    The way that I overcome those coloring obstacles, is by using a limited palette.

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад +4

      hey Roland yeah i agree it's a great strategy! i will cover value studies and limited palettes in a future series about painting. i kept this one mostly about seeing light and colour

    • @goudvisbloem
      @goudvisbloem 4 года назад

      How??

    • @rolandkatsuragi
      @rolandkatsuragi 4 года назад

      @@goudvisbloem It's easier to keep track of what colors are in a piece when you know how many you're using. For example, I use between 4-6 variations of same color and no more. The reason being, I break color down to only the essentials, so as to avoid some of the confusion Kenzo mentioned.

    • @goudvisbloem
      @goudvisbloem 4 года назад +1

      @@rolandkatsuragi hmmm ...
      Sounds like you're ignoring the illusion of 5:02 by simplifying? You see á golden brown colour so you mix something close to this?
      Or the grey arm in front of the blue water, it's one thing to use a limited colour palette, but isn't it another for your eye to spot that this is grey and to not choose a darker version of orange?
      To me a limited colour palette helps create harmony, I don't know how to see what Kenzo is talking about here ...

    • @michaelmennuti4414
      @michaelmennuti4414 4 года назад +2

      @Sarah V Say your limited palette doesn’t have any blue paint. You will naturally have to use this illusion, substituting grey in the cooler areas of your piece. By getting used to using the illusion you get better at recognizing it when you see it. It’s like how you get more awareness of how lines that we see as parallel in the world actually converge after you learn how to use two point perspective.

  • @claytalbert1966
    @claytalbert1966 3 года назад

    Oh no - not the dreaded Rabbit hole! Good one

  • @MrFindoc
    @MrFindoc 4 года назад

    I really enjoy your videos - You def have a new subscriber - I have also been going to your older videos and I find a lot of useful information for myself to use!

  • @joostigrohmannjong4326
    @joostigrohmannjong4326 4 года назад +12

    That's an interesting topic you're talking about. I think everything that has to do with perception evolves the more you draw. I'm pretty much a beginner but I feel like the more I draw the better I perceive things, for example lines that look like they are straight for me, but are actually at an angle. Is this a common problem when you start drawing? Can you somehow "fix" it?

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад +3

      that's an interesting question Joosti. i agree your observational skills really change as you practise. even your taste in art evolves as you can see more. when you say the lines seemed straight but then were at an angle, do you mean they looked horizontal / vertical and were actually at an angle, or looked straight but were actually curved?

    • @joostigrohmannjong4326
      @joostigrohmannjong4326 4 года назад +2

      @@lovelifedrawing When I first started (and I still do it) I used reference. I wondered why my reference drawings looked so different in comparison to the original, especially when drawing eyes. Then I drew a horizontal and a vertical line over the original and my perception shifted, because I saw at what angle the lines were, in comparison to the straight horizontal and vertical lines. Same with proportions. I think as a beginner you often tend to compare the length, distance or height in which, eyes, eyebrows, nose etc. are to one another. But by misperceiving it in the first place it can't look right. It's like a chain event. For example, if you draw a head in a 3/4 view and start with the head's shape, get the length of the chin, chinline and the positon of the cheekbone wrong and compare the rest of the face to these misperceived facial features you started with, there is no chance to make it look "right". Another thing I noticed is, that if you trace a picture it is easier to perceive. I think this has something to do with the brains/eyes attempt to see object in a three dimensional way. But when on paper you can just try to give it a three dimensional depth. By seeing how it looks when drawn by yourself, you see it on a 2d surface. If you actually "draw what you see" it gets easier. After all it's always a 2d drawing but you perceive it in a three dimensional way and I guess many people that start drawing, perceive things different and are confused when they try to give it a three dimensional look. Maybe there a different approaches to start drawing, but from a beginners point of view, these are some reasons why many people fail to draw when they are at the start of the journey. Not sure if there is a way around these mistakes ^^

    • @daftcruz
      @daftcruz 4 года назад

      You see the reference, but you don't see your drawing.
      So how can you draw what you see?
      Haha
      Just kidding
      But of course there's a way around it, otherwise we wouldn't have so many good artists like Kentaro Miura, Eliza Ivanova, Frazetta,etc
      If you want to improve on that topic, you might start studying lines, the basic/primitive forms and perspective.
      There's some videos of Peter Han (and many others to that matter) here on RUclips, just pick the exercises though and beat the devil out of it!

  • @deidrehenning4380
    @deidrehenning4380 3 года назад

    I think it was important to see the apple in dark - food no matter where it is, so that we can see food even when in the shadow.. Interestubg As always sooooo helpful. you are a good teacher.

  • @thevasic
    @thevasic 3 года назад

    You are right....squinting is the key...if you squint your eyes on the checkerboard illusion you will see they are the same color.

  • @D20-j1r
    @D20-j1r 4 года назад

    This is a fascinating topic, a lot to think about, thanks!

  • @HelenJoyCreates
    @HelenJoyCreates 4 года назад

    This is really helpful. Thank you so much for sharing.

  • @johnkon2810
    @johnkon2810 4 года назад +3

    I can't believe it took this long for a really good video & explanation of this. I've been showing people the cylinder w/ the checker board, & their initial instinct is that I'm lying or trying to full them.
    The computer plays a factor because they think it's a computer trick but, obviously it's much easier to show on a computer when you can break it down on to layers.

  • @gardeniainbloom812
    @gardeniainbloom812 3 года назад

    Your last statement made me lol I could almost see the cogs churning in your grey matter because I knew you would go there. But thats it; form has no colour, it's an illusion lol

  • @janojacks7204
    @janojacks7204 3 года назад

    thank you this is so helpful

  • @edzejandehaan9265
    @edzejandehaan9265 4 года назад

    A simple valuefinder (you know, valuescale with small holes cut in every value swatch) can help to combat that chessboard illusion effect.

  • @sylviereno9343
    @sylviereno9343 4 года назад

    Thank you for this great video!

  • @kuroinokitsune
    @kuroinokitsune 4 года назад +6

    Welcome to scientific rabbit hole, Kenzo 8)

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад +1

      hehehe it got way too crazy for me when i started to learn about the cones in the eyes and the different combination of wavelengths you could interpret as yellow

    • @kuroinokitsune
      @kuroinokitsune 4 года назад

      @@lovelifedrawing yeah there is a lot of wonders in it

  • @piadraws9360
    @piadraws9360 4 года назад +1

    Thank you Kenzo, I am just starting out with colours, so this is extremely helpful ❤️

  • @neleyabubble1152
    @neleyabubble1152 4 года назад +1

    I love your videos! teach me so much! Thank you! I have a question: in my drawing classes they ask me to make a variety of tone scale, when we simplify the shape by dark an ligth we are simplifying the tones, right? But isn't it important to learn how to apply the tone scale first?

  • @skuggihvitadrekens
    @skuggihvitadrekens 4 года назад

    this is crazy amazing helpful

  • @apostalote
    @apostalote 4 года назад

    The way I’ve dealt with this as an oil paint is to think in terms of ‘local colour’ but not in the traditional way of one colour that exists absent light effects. When I am painting, I start with my darkest darks and from their, every other value in my painting is done in relation to the darkest darks by area. So every value, I relate to the darkest dark in certain area of the painting, meaning all of my values end up being relational

    • @apostalote
      @apostalote 4 года назад

      *there

    • @goudvisbloem
      @goudvisbloem 4 года назад

      But what about the warmth/coolness of a colour?

  • @pitgrum2612
    @pitgrum2612 4 года назад

    I heard about these illusions, but I never thought about how it interferes with learning to draw. Perhaps the reason why in drawing at the very beginning they separate the shadow part from the illuminated one is precisely to avoid the fragmentation of perception. In fact, in the methods of the classical school, which have been practiced for centuries, all these problems have already been solved. Now we can rethink them and figure out why they are the way they are.

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад +1

      yeah keeping clear about your dark areas versus your light areas is a great habit to get into!

  • @shuzennn
    @shuzennn 4 года назад

    Hahaha about the last thought in the video... The matrix hit you hard, huh. 😂 lovely video :D

  • @azuremilo3823
    @azuremilo3823 4 года назад

    Hi love life drawing ! Thank you very very much for all your videos, this is so helpfull !
    I have a question, is that normal than the video of the recent live has disappears ?
    Can we find them on another website ?
    Thank you ! ( sorry for my bad english )

  • @sydene54
    @sydene54 4 года назад

    excellent. never so clearly explained!

  • @tonygoodfellow4937
    @tonygoodfellow4937 3 года назад

    if you're looking at an apple tree and part of it is in sun and part in shade we will still be able to see all the apples because of this mechanism. If you take a photo only part of it would be visible.

  • @thoperSought
    @thoperSought 4 года назад +5

    any rabbithole about the brain is going to be wide and deep

  • @shuzennn
    @shuzennn 4 года назад

    Also, I wonder if a red thing was placed on top of the gray X?

  • @aesea57804
    @aesea57804 4 года назад

    At the end you made me laugh-questioning everything by ending up down the rabbit hole. Thanks for the warning! I’m not going there!

    • @aesea57804
      @aesea57804 4 года назад

      Forgot to say-this is SO helpful. Excellent illustrations of how we see and what we do with our interpretation. Thank you!!

  • @keiden4645
    @keiden4645 3 года назад

    I can blur my vision on command, I never thought it would help me to draw

  • @Zeta.Orionis.42
    @Zeta.Orionis.42 4 года назад

    *has existential crisis because of color illusion*

  • @destinymathis4182
    @destinymathis4182 3 года назад

    Told me to not go down the rabbit hole about color now I have to go down it. 😩

  • @samuelmuiga3101
    @samuelmuiga3101 4 года назад

    It's funny i only started enjoying these videos the moment i grasped some things. Before that it all just seemed so complicated

  • @padmajaandal1403
    @padmajaandal1403 3 года назад

    Do you have any online subscribed course. Pl let me know. Willing to take if any such thing is available.

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  3 года назад

      Hey - we do for figure drawing. It will run next time in October. it's awesome - be sure to get onto our newsletter to find out when enrolment opens :)

  • @ionlyemergeafterdark
    @ionlyemergeafterdark 3 года назад

    There are several antidotes, I think. One is looking at ones work from afar frequently, working small, squinting (as you say). Another is using a grey card with a small hole in it to compare two or more areas of the subject without seeing the surrounding values.
    I tried to read Chevreul's book. I managed about 3/4 of it. It was terribly over wordy and tedious. A professor has written a paper of about 4 pages which sums up the theory succinctly. I would avoid Chevreul's book.

  • @shuzennn
    @shuzennn 4 года назад

    That's interesting :0

  • @sonalsrivastava2591
    @sonalsrivastava2591 3 года назад

    Kenzo, the rabbit hole discovery that there's no such thing as colour outside of your mind, - I'm interested in a video on that, on your process and then discovery. I'm a spiritual person and to be honest, that's actually the reality of life. Nothing exists outside of our own perception. Check out Hindu scriptures on that. Extremely scientific. Also check out quantum mechanics and Hinduism. Actually Hinduism is not a religion. It's just an amalgamation of discoveries and their discoverers, sometimes made easier through stories for common people.

  • @totalme302
    @totalme302 4 года назад

    Hello Kanzo, I had 1 problem with the way you saud to hold pencil while drawing ( U told to hold it below the wrist on top to exercise smooth curves coming from shoulders)
    But doimg it that way applies a lot of force on the pencil end, and my pencil is breaking a lot, and I have to sharoen them every minute.
    Please enlighten me on this issue.
    This is you latest video thats why I am reporting here.

  • @beacroxs3270
    @beacroxs3270 2 года назад

    I was thinking abou it so hard and this is the conclusion I manage to get.
    __" If there is a highlight in the shadow area, that should never be lighter than the shadow that you see in the highlights area. "__
    please correct me if I am wrong!

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  2 года назад

      It's pretty much that. although you might not call the light bit of a shadow area a 'highlight' and you might not call the darker bit of the light area a 'shadow', but basically that is right. the lightest bit of the dark area is still darker than the darkest bit of the light area!

    • @beacroxs3270
      @beacroxs3270 2 года назад

      @@lovelifedrawing woah, so I got the idea correct excepts the terms. Thank you so much!

  • @shuzennn
    @shuzennn 4 года назад

    What to me that thing looks black and the other is yellow lol

    • @lovelifedrawing
      @lovelifedrawing  4 года назад

      maybe it's like that blue dress / white dress thing from a while ago, that was also to do with colour constancy i think

  • @GarmanyRachel
    @GarmanyRachel 4 года назад +3

    I’m laughing so hard, just a week ago I went down a color rabbit hole, lost my grip on reality and I’ve still not quiet recovered😂