We Fix this FAULTY Gold Foil | Axe From The Grave (ft. Ryan Burke of 60 Cycle Hum)
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- This faulty Gold Foil pickup was recently featured over on 60 Cycle Hum, can I use science to figure out what is wrong with it and put it right?
Thanks to Ryan for collaborating on this video
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This faulty Gold Foil pickup was recently featured over on 60 Cycle Hum, can I use science to figure out what is wrong with it and put it right?
Thanks to Ryan for collaborating on this video
60 Cycle Hum - ruclips.net/user/60cyclehumcast
#60cyclehum #goldfoil #pickup
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16 different combinations and only 2 are correct.... I got really lucky then lol.
Damn, that disassembly montage is fun.
Not at all the point of the video, but what is the pen/screwdriver thing you are using at 12:00? My itch for tools and writing instruments is thoroughly stimulated!
next episode, that tape machine you got there.
I was just about to say the same thing!
Well, you might just be in luck...sort of
That is some sweet tape delay right there.
LOL I was *not* expecting the ICP reference at 13:38 😂
Really? I don't even know how to have a conversation about magnets without quoting ICP.
@@BillJones Fair, I just wasn’t expecting it from Colin right at that moment 😂
The video earns a like. That you even put the 60 cycle hum sticker under the vinegar bath container earns a sub. Well done.
Never mind the gold foil, that p90 is a monster
Right! Holy crap when he switched to it I was like "yes there it is!"
Not gonna lie, I laughed like a child when you screamed into the guitar 🤣
I kinda like the sound of the "broken" configuration. would be good for funk rhythm playing
You could also use it just to have a different sound in a small section of a song.
CSG Pickups with tartan, when?
As soon as I shop for shipping boxes etc.
This pickup actually sounds good after a bit of TLC. Maybe there could be a part 2? This could be in terms of cleaning up the cloth (I would suggest just re-spraying the existing cloth with gold paint) and potting it with wax to fix its microphonic nature. I would also suggest trying it in a bridge position as I think that might suit it better.
I like it when a few of my favorite channels collab! More plz!
Colin, do you prefer "Doctor" "Professor" "Magus" or something else?
Magus seems appropriate. That or Archmage
Sensei :D
Yes.
I've learned more about magnets here than in physics classes during high school. Thanks, Professor Colin!
A TATA for you, if I may: what determines if a pickup is supposed to be used on the bridge or neck position? Output, tone? Both? None?
Believe it or not, it’s commonly due to string spacing. Although many people have different specs of pickups between neck and bridge, generally, the poles on the neck pickup are slightly less spaced out due to the strings drawing closer towards the nut
For many of the old P-90 equipped Gibsons, the neck and bridge pickups were identical. While differently constructed and different output pickups are more commonly used in neck and bridge positions today, much of the tonal difference comes solely from one pickup experiencing more treble frequencies at the bridge and the other experiencing more bass frequencies at the base of the neck.
@@jckmthr Oh yea! I completely forgot about that, probably the main reason to label them bridge and neck. Thanks.
@@kyyowa129 Exactly. I am aware that placing them closer/farther from the bridge changes the sound, but I'm also curious if they have to diminish/emphasize specific frequencies to compensate for their placement.
@@Ndlanding nonsense! the bridge is the bringer of chug once you've harnessed the power.
I'm just sitting here distracted by that lovely box of Laphroaig 10 year in the background....
It’s like Pimp My Ride but with pickups! PUP My Ride? 😂
"Pimp my pup"
Pimp My Pickup.
I'm sure that Americans would be confused as hell.
This is proof there's no objectively wrong tone, i think that pickup is perfect for piercing right though a mix or even blending with something like a humbucker so you get the detailed mids with the warm low end together
My God... That ICP reference 😂
Have you ever considered making a studio tour Colin? We wanna see your recording setup!!
You can re-do the gold foil with a gold leaf kit from the local hobby center. It's easy and looks great when you're done.
I found a gold foil once that the pickup took a hit an wrecked the coil. Its bobbin was carboard/paper. I still have it. I may try to 3d print a bobbin and rewind it.
If you want less noise, you shouldn't solder a ground lead connecting to the back of your pots if they are already connected with their shafts to a metal shielding plate or foil... (if, of course the pot shaft is connected to the backside of the potentiometer..) You need to contact each part you want in the grounding circuit, ONCE to ground! What your doing if you, for example did what you have in (timestamp) 10:11, you basically create a "coil" with one wrap! Which, acts as antenna.. Just my 2 cents! Cheers.
Niiiiiice this feels like when a comedian makes a callback to their friends set, and you've been fans of both and didn't know they knew each other
Add peroxide to that vinegar and you get instant rust... or copper oxide on copper bits. I've finished a few pedals that way, nice effect
Vinegar + peroxide creates paracetic acid which can be harmful to the lungs and respiratory system. So if anyone is going to try that for finishing or oxidizing metal it should be done in a well ventilated space and with proper PPE.
@@howlongcanimakethisfukingthing 1 duh, 2 if you use just a little you have nothing to worry with.
Use protection and stay safe.
bro when he threw the sticker i died lmaooo ty for the watch!
“Colin you silly goose”😂
Quite elementary, my dear Watson (Colin)
That's why the magnets are removable, to help align the faze between other pickup types
Faze
Faze
It's not a faze, mom
Väs
You messed up Hellseeker, time to faze the music.
Sounds like I'll need to switch to gold foils
Have you ever done a video on Burns Tri-sonic pickups?
They're about the only pickup design that I'm aware of that has the magnetic poles pointing transverse to the strings, as opposed to the more regular longitudinal orientation used by most manufacturers and I think that's quite interesting.
Only major downside is that if you want to use the original design and not the strat footprint one that they brought out more recently you're going to have to modify or buy an instrument because those things are huge.
That and trying to wind a coil without a bobbin seems like it would be quite fiddly.
To summarize, there was something wrong with the pickup. Something about the magnet. Colin fexed et.
That is all we commoners need to know.
^ ^ I thought that pickup sounded good!......weird but good....Foxy Love fae Embra VVxx
Congrats on your GGBO win, Col. Well deserved. The guitar was incredible, especially considering how most of the other invitational entrants were experienced builders. I hope you do more, even if you only enter the GGBO next year.
I have a old foil pickup that looks a lot like that that’s so microphonic I actually screwed it to the top of a old cheap nylon string classical guitar. It actually sounded great. It was a cheaper one than that one though (believe it or not they made cheaper built ones) it had a thin coil with a iron bar in the middle setting on a huge ceramic magnet. Weird pickup but a surprisingly good microphone for acoustic guitar lol
Damn! I’m gonna send Colin all my broken crap 😁
Dude !! I saw the bottle of Laphroaig in the background !! It’s sooo “peat-y,” earthy, & smokey and the WAY it’s smokey: it’s got to be the peat, right ? It’s a special kind of smoke-y ness that-in America-I’ve experienced ONLY from Scottish whiskey. I’ve been told that Ireland also has peat or turf, but in the Irish whiskies I’ve tasted, that special “the earth is smouldering” taste isn’t there…
Very informative. Kinda assumed would be done to the magnets. Evidently in my guitar journey I’m learning which is always a positive. Unrelated question . I’ve recently acquired a re issue epiphone coronet. Has cts pots. And p90 pro in the bridge. ( only has the one pick-up) I’m going to switch it out. But unsure as to whether go down the Monty’s 54 p90 in bridge which gets great reviews. Or change it to a a reproduction of the original New Yorker pick-up by Curtis Novak who has a great reputation with an altered pick gaurd to match. He winds them to similar output of a vintage p90. Any suggestions on which one you would opt for? Any advice be helpful . Cheers
Hi Colin and Rayan. Thank you both for your great work. Pickup electronics has been always been my a lot of queries and have been reading, watching many professionals in this area, have taken Seymour Duncan 101 course, following ThroBak Guitar Lounge, Dylan Talks tone and other guitar electronics and tone nods!! Please excuse my silly question, according to ThroBak Guitar Lounge company RUclips channel in case of changing the type of Alnico magnet in vintage PAF pickup, both ends plus the top and bottom parts of the Magnet bar need to be checked as well !! Which made me think what is the exact pattern of magnetism around all ends of the bar !!( top, bottom, ends and the sides) 🤔🤔Your input is much appreciated please in a new video on your channel explaining how to do reversing the polarity of the humbucker bridge can be understood in addition reversing the wiring too to have hum free pickup especially when using rotatory 5 way 4 poles switch wiring Bridge humbucker and Neck humbucker pickups!! Thank you Colin👍👍
..mmm, tasty. ..it looks like a cute little chocolate bar. ..which would've been alot easier; just pop that chocolate in yer mouth n'throw the foil foil wrapper in the trash. End of story. ..what's for lunch?
Just out of curiosity how much is a bottle of Laphroaig there? Also a decent bottle of bourbon? Curious what the price differences are between the states and there.
The bottle of Laphroaig he has in the video is $32 in Scotland
i just picked up a set (3) of these pickups. they each still have the oroginal tape, amf the crappy wires :) i'm going to have them fixed up by my piclup guy before i install them.the guy i bought them from was a guitar tech and told me they were pilled out of an old hagstrom. they look awesome!
Another great video Colin, always learning when watching your channel.
Great content, fun patter, serious facts about all things related to guitar & equipment & problem solving we can all try.
Cool hair, cool sounds & that tape echo machine is awesome, could you explain it in a vid please.
Tape delay is so awesome, just another thing to thank Les Paul and Ray Butts for.
God bless all those pioneering, inventive people who didn't accept the limitations of their time.
Magnets? How do them work? 🤷🏻♂️
I feel like Frank Zappa would've like that pickup in condition it was in at the beginning of the video.
Wait, you screamed into the mic... Does that mean... The tone wood debate has been revived? Again?
Colin, loving your work, please can we confirm an ICP reference there?
A pickup like that would be handy in the studio. That sound would be really nice for a vintage r and b track. I’d try getting it closer to the string low output pups gotta be close. Looks like a fun project
13:37 that ICP reference killed me XD
Ryan was a asshole as I wanted to buy the pickup myself and when I asked him if it were for sale he replyed back with "NO"
I so want to make a Japanese gold foil the ones with rubber magnets because I think if you open up the volume they will distort
^ ^ Isn t it amazing that we live on a planet that is basically a giant ferric magnet! Foxy Love VVxx
Hi Colin, I bought a used guitar a few weeks ago, and after bringing it home I found out that when the tone knob is turned all the way up, it cuts my signal to the amp in half. Another strange thing is that it turns the opposite way than the volume knob. Maybe that's normal for some guitar models, but I've never experienced that before. Any thoughts? Love your vids man
Laphroaig, best Scotch Whiskey in the world.
Sheer delight it is! Love the smoky Scotches!
as a Glenmorangie drinker, I have to disagree....
Pickup makes AC makes lots of chat about pedals make more sense
Laphroiag 10, excellent choice sir.
The real science question: on which pole do you install the penguins?
Oh SHIT, it's fuckin' Ryan!
It took me a while to visualize how the magnetic field from the magnets would interact with the coil windings. To me, it seemed like you'd want a more uniform magnetic field from neck side of the pickup to the bridge side - thus N and S facing the middle.
You mentioned that the pole pieces were getting magnetized by the magnets, but I couldn't figure out how that would be when the magnets are on the outsides of the windings. I had to go back and re-watch to see that the metal piece that the pole pieces screw into also goes under the coil to touch each of the magnets. That gives the inside of the coil an N polarity and a S polarity on each of the long sides, outside of the coil. Using the right hand rule on both the neck side and the bridge side of the coil shows both fields generating current in the same direction around the coil.
Got it! Interesting pickup design.
Nice, now she sounds like a proper foil!
I can't wait for some hipsters to start a fad flipping magnets to get a more "unique" sound.
In fairness, there are already phase switches you can install in guitars to get that sound...but of course the tone gurus will try to convince you that the extra wiring and switch takes away from the sound so....
I sussed this oot oan ma ain. Must be a Scottish hing bein able tae figger oot magnets n that.
I'm loving that Colin's Crotch Cam™
F-ing magnets, how do they work?
..that's be cool if he fixed it a Gave it back to you.
250k tone and 500k volume pots??
Love to see something to do with your reel to reel.
I hope there are more episodes of this type. Not only enjoyable but very educational.
4:10 I'm going to guess one of the rubber magnets fell off and someone put it back on reversed. Do I have to watch the rest?
Got one from my teisco del Rey guitar
would love to see Colin look at a rubber magnet gold foil and talk about it.
Would it be possible to rectify this situation without disassembling the pickup by simply remagnetizing the whole pickup?
No
Lmao your ICP reference 😂
Marry me.
Microphonic with whale sounds.. I like that.
Dude what delay is that? Honestly I've never even owned a delay pedal but that sounds amazing.
That's not a delay pedal, it's my 70s tape recorder: ruclips.net/video/xukL-ysWf3A/видео.html
ah. my favorite crossover
Love gold foil pickups! This was, naturally, incredibly fascinating. Bravo!
great video ! collabs are always cool.
14:03 but that's not a 90 degrees rotation, right ?
The smallest rotation one can perform on a cuboid is 90 degrees for it to sit flat on a face.
To invert North to South one needs to rotate the magnet 2 x 90 degrees, or 180 degrees.
a single 90 degree rotation would have the North facing down or up, which isn't useful
@@ScienceofLoud then we agree !
not diggin the 80's groove over the cleanup part. Couldn't you jam a nice hard rock track?
Maybe you could get out of your comfort zone and enjoy other genres of music, or at the very least allow them to exist without the compulsive need to complain about them
I fkn love this channel
"Orientated" is not a word.
What would the pickup sound like if you had only rotated it 90⁰? In theory that puts both north and south facing the coil. Would it sound like it did before the fix or would it not work at all?
it was out of phase with itself! haha
yeah mr white!
science!
Thanks for showing the inside of that pickup. Too bad the gold layer came off, but I guess that's now part of the history of this pickup. I would not replace the foil - keep it authentic. Do you have any idea how many winds they put on those coils? Perhaps an estimate from the DC resistance.
Is it me or does a tele style guitar always sound like a tele if it has humbuckers,single coils or whatever kind. Is it the shape,the neck... Dang, maybe it's just I can't hear good anymore. Love electric guitars and such, I can't play that well but it's fun & I ain't bothering nobody,lol
🎸🔥❤️
Lights will guide you home...
Man thats the crap that was in my old kent sg from the 70's
Pot it.
What a collab!!!
TOTA. What's inside a soapbar pickup? Are they humbucking? Besides length, are bass and guitar pickups any different?
This is the video you are looking for: ruclips.net/video/UohcH9myxJQ/видео.html
@@ScienceofLoud In that case, I had my words wrong. I was thinking about pickups such as Bartolini BH2 that have no pole pieces showing. Are they the same as P90s inside?
This video made me realize why my BKPs weren't sounding good... compass trick is a godsend, thank you Colin. Now they're sounding good, installed correctly, but turns out I overpaid for them since other brands sound better :D
Haha yup, would never pay brand new for a set of BKPs.
Nice ICP reference
I’m sure the issue with magnets was the same reason why Brian May scrapped making his own pickups and bought the Trisonics. I think he said that his own pickups made a whistling sound because of the bar magnets he used
Someone hasn’t really understood gold foils
Please, share your wisdom with the group.
Not much of a coil !
its a harmonica
Cool 👍✌😎
🤓🤘
I’m an electrician; I could imagine figuring out the electromagnetic problem. bUTT! : the “refurb” blows me away. Impossible: had no idea you could bring the looks back from the dead like that. WoW
"I couldn't say where she's comin' from, but I just met a lady named 60 Cycle Humm"
- sorry couldn't resist.
I bet Colin took it out of the box, took one look at it and said “It’s f**king f**cked mate. Big time”