Justice League The Animated Series handled it best: - Thanagarian space-cop Katar-Hol crash-lands on Earth in prehistoric Egypt. - Becomes a god/founding monarch of Egypt. - Dies and is reincarnated as archaeologist Carter Hall in the modern day. This would be the perfect origin to adapt in a Hawkman movie.
So the Justice League cartoon used both origins, kind of. The Space Cop origin for Hawk Girl while tying in the Egyptian reincarnation stuff when they later introduced Hawk Man.. I think.
+pious83 Yes and that version is my preference. But in the end it turned out Hawk Girl was a sleeper agent for thanagar to conquer earth. But she defected in the end so its all good now
+FeatheredCrow that was Hro Talak. and even though rearranging those letters gets you Karat Hol, it's still A different character. Carter shows up later in justice league unlimited
1:40 I love that that little nod was what basically doomed the character. it made him at once too similar and too different to the Golden Age character. So when Crisis came along and DC wanted to create one definitive universe they couldn't just treat the two Hawkmen as the same guy like they did with Superman and Batman because their origins were too contradictory. But they also couldn't just have them be 2 separate guys like with Flash and Green Lantern because then you'd end up with 2 guys with the same name, same costume, and same powers while also having basically nothing to do with each other.
Here is what Hawkmans origin story should be combining both origins. Katar and Shaira are from thanagar a militaristic police state race of winged people where they serve as cops. They chase down the shape shifting criminal to earth and crash land in ancient egypt. The egyptians believe Hawkman to be the living embodiment of Horus the god of justice and vengance, Katar and Shaira eventually find and kill the shapeshifter, but instead of trying to return to thanagar they decide to become rulers of egypt seeing the potential in humans and because they were tired of their status on thanagar. They rule for years but are struck down by the egyptian gods who only tolerated their impersonations for so long because of the good they brought to egypt but eventually got fed up with it since they seemed like they would rule forever (thanagar biology makes them live longer than humans) and because they started imposing thanagar ideals that would rule out the need for egyptian gods. The only thing that saves their souls is the goddess Isis who admires their love for each other and because it reminds her of her love for her husband Osiris thus she allows them to be reincarnated throughout time as humans, but the egyptian gods still impose the punishment that the reincarnations will always meet a brutal end and that though they may find true happiness it will not last for long. not sure what to do with nth metal probably just the stuff their ship was made out off.
@Jason T Scott-West -- i don't know. While the Reincarnated Egyptian has a better character backstory(Cursed by a rival is always intresting), the Alien Cop had a better reason to be a hero, as it was literally his job. It even had an intresting moral subplot, as Thangar used a Cerebro-like device that scanned people's minds in order to predict who was going to commit a crime. The Reincarnated Egyptian's main subplot involved trying to break their cycles of Cursed Reincarnation. While he wasn't a BAD character overall, i always felt the Cop was a better version imho.
Hawkman is one of the most confusing characters in DC, However One of my favorite. I like the modern one the most but, I would love to see this character get a movie.
Well you got your wish cuz black Adam is coming out soon and Hawkman will be played by aldis hodge and black Adam will be played by Dwayne Johnson . Thank me now . 🤪
The Scooby-Doo meets DC Heroes comic actually did a passable job of presenting a concise and simplified origin. Basically, the whole cycle of reincarnation thing still happens, and the Thanagarians are simply their latest incarnation.
I absolutely LOVE the comment: "You know something is too confusing when they won't even let Grant Morrison touch it." *lol* As far as my favorite Hawkman: I would say both Pre-Crisis ones....I was a huge fan of Carter Hall and I had no problem with Katar Hol, either. I would have to swing toward Carter, though. Yes, I'm old school.
This is the sort of nonsense in comics that annoys me. All the retcons and reboots make following some characters really hard to follow. I still love comics, but this is always a problem when trying to start reading about another character.
Naah... That´s a mistake many "rookie" comicbook fans make. The only thing you need to "follow" a character like Hawkman its to read Hawkworld. Then, you can read another era, and you may like it or not. And if you don´t like it, you just stop reading it. My point is: Comicbooks are not a drama, YOU are the drama here xDxD
But like... I can read post Crisis Batman without having to artificially say “well I’ll read everything but I’m going to just ignore this, this and this.” I like Hawkman, probably more then the next guy, but he’s has no easy entry point.
I just figured that the Hawks' cycle of reincarnation was a simplistic way to explain the different versions. And their love is so stubborn and eternal that it powers the Main Lantern Battery of the Star Sapphires!
And... This is exactly why comics need o stop being so afraid to let characters die or TRULY be rebooted, if you reboot an origin to fix a character but then set up a universe in which reboots don't actually exist and the screwed up versions are still there it just confuses things more. They really need to find a way to close off certain stories, or just stop overlapping multiverses cuz the more reboots that come out the worse it will become, multiverse crossovers are starting to become the new time travel, either it works or it screws things up with all kinds of unanswerable questions and paradoxes.
+Comic Drake I dare you to simply explain the New 52 Hawkman. That comic was a MESS! Any other version, shy of the 90s merged one, is easier to explain.
Dark Nights: Metal seems to be doing a good job not only simplifying Hawkman's Origin (Being the Egyptian prince Khufu who found the Thanagarian technology and then cursed with reincarnation), but making him a major player in the DCU's history and cosmology. And I am so pumped for his ongoing series in June!
I must be a super-nerd because I never had a problem with keeping up with Hawkman. Hard to say what would be my favourite incarnation; I'm a bit of a Silver Age aficionado so I have a weakness for the Silver/Bronze Age Katar and Shayera Hol (The Shadow War of Hawkman is very underrated.) Then there was the "incarnated" Carter Hall from 2001 to Blackest Night, who was a badass and streamlined the character to and extent. Then there was the Hawkman that appeared in the third season of Justice League Unlimited who synthesized the reincarnated Pharaoh/Thanagarian versions, with the John Stewart love triangle thrown in. The CW version seems like a major jerk, though. Then again, Hawkman was not always the most likeable person in the comics either.
My favorite version of Hawkman was the DCAU version: Archeologist gets his brain zapped by an ancient Thanagarian space diary and starts THINKING he's a perpetually-reincarnating Thanagarian space cop. --You get to have your cake and watch it fall on the floor in disappointment too.
That's great, but wanna get even more obscure and confusing? In the Golden Ages, Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman had a child named Hippolyta Trevor, who, since her parents kept getting retconned in and out of love, then also got retconned left, right and center herself until she ended up wed to a man named Hector Hall, who, as you've said, is the son of one of the Carter Halls. They had a child named Daniel Hall, who, *SPOILER ALERT*, TOOK OVER MORPHEUS'S MANTLE AS THE SECOND DREAM. Moral of the Story? Parents who get heavily retconned, have children who get heavily retconned.
Actualy Geoff Johns fixed Hawkman in JSA. He established that Nth Metal and his love for Shey-Ara (fuck, I'll never write it correctly) made him and her reincarnate. So... Every version of him is his reincarnation. Because comics. And that version that was summoned on Thanagar by Hawkgirl has the memories of not only Katar, but also EVERY INCARNATION. He probably chose to call himself Carter, because JSA remembered Carter. Also Kendra (Hawkgirl) had some (not all, like her bae) memories of only Shiera Saunders, so he became her former lover to help her regain memories.
Update this bro. DC Rebirth made post crisis and new 52 the same universe. The current hawkman comic consolidates this ALL. Simply by saying the space hawkman and the earth hawkman are the same person. The explanation is that carter hall is reincarnated across time AND space. Their were hawkmen all over the universe, including on Krypton... all still the same man
That's exactly why I consider Hawkman a wasted opportunity. Seriously, he could be as badass as the Thor from Marvel, or even more. With egyptian origins (or kinda), he got Nth metal, super strength, speed and flight. And some mythical magic stuff. And technology. And he dates Shiera. The guy is awesome. If only they could stop doing it that confusing...
should have just left him as the reincarnated Egyptian and let Carter Hall function as part of DC's mystic characters, things got needlessly complicated when they turned him into an alien.
i prefer the Egyptian origin story of Carter Hall as Hawkman to him been a space cop. Best example of this been notbin comics but in Smallville in latr series that do the character justice
I know it's histories of characters like this that make people not like comic books, but it's a lot easier to sum up characters like this. Hawkman: A superhero with a girlfriend that are resurrected after they die and meet again in the next life. Booster Gold: Time traveling superhero. Jonah Hex: Western Anti-hero with a scarred face. It's not really all that hard.
I like the golden age origins a lot, its cool and original, space cop feels too over done, between greenlantern and Martian manhunter, lovin the vids man Keep it up
Ive always liked the JLU animated origin. That it was ancient alien technology that replayed memories and drove him in to thinking he was reincarnated.
So thats why Hawkgirl is so much more popular, which for me it was always weird because Hawkman was the first, and for a long time I thought it was because JL Animated who made Hawkgirl more popular But NOOOO, he has multiple origins, multiple identities, massive retcons AND EVEN DC THEMSELVES NOT ALLOWING WRITERS TO USE HIM. Holy shit
Personally, I just put Hawkworld back with all the other origin stuff (Man of Steel, Batman Year One, etc.), ignoring the poor editorial decision to make it take place with the modern day comics of the time and leaving Carter as the JSA/WW2 Hawkman and Katar as the JL/modern Hawkman, then consider the spy a plot limited just to the Invasion cross-over (head cannon!).
6:13 this fuckery would be easier to understand if the various Hawkpeople were simply time-displaced reincarnations of each other, but nooooo. Space cops were in vogue during the 60s or whatever.
Zero hour: crisis in time tried to make his origin make sense by fusing all of the versions of hawkman together. Which didnt help then dark nights metal acted like the jla didnt know hawkman in that reboot dispite them working together
I think without question, the limited series "Hawkworld" and the subsequent series was the finest of all of Hawkman's various and disconnected Hawkman origin stories. I cannot understand why DC had to screw with it again. Hawkman is the most abused character DC has created. The "Hawkworld" series with Karmtar's metal wings and usage of real weapons such as guns was the finest and should either still be published or dropped all together, sparing Katar his ongoing abuse and apparwnt lack of respect for a great character.
... wow , and actually I was a fan of the egyptian carter hall. But over all as far as DC went, I really enjoyed Justice League & Justice League Unlimited. But i was never a fan of how they tried to blend the alien & reincarnation hawkman in the series.
I like to combine both origins. Where a thanagarian cop and his lover/partner land in ancient egypt. They disguise themselves as egyptians. Prince Khufu dies and Carter Hall looks like Prince Khufu and assumes his identity. Some stuff happens and Hawkman goes back to the Carter Hall identity along with Shayera. And then they form the Justice Society with other heroes.
Robert Venditti’s take on Hawkman is the best imo. Blends the whole mythology together… Khufu, Carter, Katar and some others for good measure. Also adds some more lore to the character
Space cop Hawkman is really cool, Hawkworld miniseries could be a movie. I think they should’ve done hawkworld but when he went after byth and landed on earth it would’ve been in ancient Egypt and then they could’ve introduced the reincarnation mind wiping stuff.
To quote Kirk Kimball, "Thanagar's champion, Hawkman can talk to birds. He also can't talk to birds. Sometimes, he can't even speak normally at all! Even if he could talk normally, or to birds, there are no birds on Thanagar, because it does not exist. Hawkman was sent here to study Earthly police methods, because Thanagar's own methods suck! That's OK though, because Thanagar still does not exist! Yet it is populated by peaceful barbarians! Who are stupid, and also warlike!" Thank God Robert Venditti fixed Hawkman (For now at least.) with his 2018 run. He made reincarnation a huge part of Hawkman's story, so now he's a Thanagarian space cop, an Egyptian pharaoh, an archeologist, even a Kryptonian and so on. It was really good!
I like space cop Hawkman (mostly because of Hawkgirl from the JL cartoon of the early 00's), that is the version I wanted in the so-called "Arrow-verse", because I hate the Ancient Egyptian reincarnation version so much as I find it the least interesting of all the Golden Age comic book characters.
Okay, the DCAU REALLY simplified this: - Shayera is basically the sleeper agent, except still a hero and cop - Hro Talek is Katar Hol, except he never left Thanagar, and is a sick - Carter Hall is Carter Hall, except a bit obsessive
Always liked the hawkman but never thought they could ever get anything really going with him as a solo character. As a side note i was thinking about his weaponry and i like the war mace its classic but he needs a distinctive long range weapon and i have decided that a spring loaded extending javelin made of some super alloy or whatever should be it. I have some other ideas how to make him better but maybe next time.
Without question, the Katar Hol, wingman of Thanagar, is the finest expression of the character. Metallic wings, real weapons, no reincarnated Egyptian nonsense. This version was so great that DC could not avoid screwing it up. Again
I like both origins equally, but I think The space cop with wings fits the best for DC, since the universe already has more space focus than on magic. Then again, maybe the Egyptian resurrection story would be better for more magic in the DC universe
Can anyone explain why the Justice Society character has two types of headgear: a hood wirh a red hawk symbol in front, and the more elabirate hawk bill version?
Justice League The Animated Series handled it best:
- Thanagarian space-cop Katar-Hol crash-lands on Earth in prehistoric Egypt.
- Becomes a god/founding monarch of Egypt.
- Dies and is reincarnated as archaeologist Carter Hall in the modern day.
This would be the perfect origin to adapt in a Hawkman movie.
I was gonna make this comment
Aren't there two Hawk-men in JLAU?
I'd prefer a Hawkgirl movie instead. I just like her a lot more.
@@agustinleal2556 no one of them was just an alien the other one found a hammer or something and turned to hawkman
Then who's hro talak
Ugh, my head hurts...also, is it just me, or does the emblem on the Hawkman costume look like a bird version of the symbol from Thundercats?
Jiphrrr mind blown, same thing with Red Robin I guess
It does
Actually, thundercats look like Hawkman, not the other way arround...
Hawkman came first
@@adamsifford6228 Hoooooo!!!!
So the Justice League cartoon used both origins, kind of. The Space Cop origin for Hawk Girl while tying in the Egyptian reincarnation stuff when they later introduced Hawk Man.. I think.
+pious83 Yes and that version is my preference. But in the end it turned out
Hawk Girl was a sleeper agent for thanagar to conquer earth. But she defected in the end so its all good now
+pious83
Wasn't Hawkman a villain from another planet and Batman had to crash the Watchtower into his base?
***** No that was another Hawk..man. The legit Carter Hall "Hawk Man" was introduced later. I think even as late as Justice League Unlimited.
+FeatheredCrow that was Hro Talak. and even though rearranging those letters gets you Karat Hol, it's still A different character. Carter shows up later in justice league unlimited
+Nonae Renada that Justice League canon not the comics.
When you asked what's your fave Hackman at the end I'm like "I don't remember cause that was so damn confusing"
+PurpleGamingStuff I guess my favorite is Gene Hackman because I don't know any others.
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Damn, I wish I could pitch a better Hawkman story to DC...
Imagine if they Re-Reboot DC to fix Hawk Man...
Imagine if they Re-Reboot DC to fix Hawk Man...
I think carter hall just needs to be crazy, so he might be an alien might not be.
Hawkman doesn´t needs "fixing..." Hawkworld was everything the character needed.
I want to do the same thing bud
1:40 I love that that little nod was what basically doomed the character. it made him at once too similar and too different to the Golden Age character. So when Crisis came along and DC wanted to create one definitive universe they couldn't just treat the two Hawkmen as the same guy like they did with Superman and Batman because their origins were too contradictory. But they also couldn't just have them be 2 separate guys like with Flash and Green Lantern because then you'd end up with 2 guys with the same name, same costume, and same powers while also having basically nothing to do with each other.
I had never considered it until now, but that's right !
Here is what Hawkmans origin story should be combining both origins. Katar and Shaira are from thanagar a militaristic police state race of winged people where they serve as cops. They chase down the shape shifting criminal to earth and crash land in ancient egypt. The egyptians believe Hawkman to be the living embodiment of Horus the god of justice and vengance, Katar and Shaira eventually find and kill the shapeshifter, but instead of trying to return to thanagar they decide to become rulers of egypt seeing the potential in humans and because they were tired of their status on thanagar. They rule for years but are struck down by the egyptian gods who only tolerated their impersonations for so long because of the good they brought to egypt but eventually got fed up with it since they seemed like they would rule forever (thanagar biology makes them live longer than humans) and because they started imposing thanagar ideals that would rule out the need for egyptian gods. The only thing that saves their souls is the goddess Isis who admires their love for each other and because it reminds her of her love for her husband Osiris thus she allows them to be reincarnated throughout time as humans, but the egyptian gods still impose the punishment that the reincarnations will always meet a brutal end and that though they may find true happiness it will not last for long.
not sure what to do with nth metal probably just the stuff their ship was made out off.
riccardir13 I came up with something similar! That was great though.
pitch this to DC
I can believe in this.
I prefer...
This is good stuff! DC should take notes!
I love it
I like the reincarnated Egyptian better.
@Jason T Scott-West I have just two words for you: Read Hawkworld.
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Jason T Scott-West I agree the hole Reincarnated Egyptian is awesome
Agreed
@Jason T Scott-West -- i don't know. While the Reincarnated Egyptian has a better character backstory(Cursed by a rival is always intresting), the Alien Cop had a better reason to be a hero, as it was literally his job. It even had an intresting moral subplot, as Thangar used a Cerebro-like device that scanned people's minds in order to predict who was going to commit a crime. The Reincarnated Egyptian's main subplot involved trying to break their cycles of Cursed Reincarnation. While he wasn't a BAD character overall, i always felt the Cop was a better version imho.
Hawkman is one of the most confusing characters in DC, However One of my favorite. I like the modern one the most but, I would love to see this character get a movie.
I like Hawkworld better.
Well you got your wish cuz black Adam is coming out soon and Hawkman will be played by aldis hodge and black Adam will be played by Dwayne Johnson . Thank me now . 🤪
Idk, I think comic characters are better suited to animation or comics
Having a grown man wearing a bird mask and wings would just look silly irl
@@bob74h67You watched Black Adam yet? Shouldn't be that hard to update his look *IF* and I mean *IF* he actually gets a movie or show.
The Scooby-Doo meets DC Heroes comic actually did a passable job of presenting a concise and simplified origin. Basically, the whole cycle of reincarnation thing still happens, and the Thanagarians are simply their latest incarnation.
I prefer Reincarnating Egyptian Hawkman and Hawkgirl. It has room for story-worthy complications, but still simple enough to understand.
What. The. Actual. Poop.
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I thought Hawkworld was pretty good for the most part. Got kinda stupid later
I absolutely LOVE the comment: "You know something is too confusing when they won't even let Grant Morrison touch it." *lol* As far as my favorite Hawkman: I would say both Pre-Crisis ones....I was a huge fan of Carter Hall and I had no problem with Katar Hol, either. I would have to swing toward Carter, though. Yes, I'm old school.
This is the sort of nonsense in comics that annoys me. All the retcons and reboots make following some characters really hard to follow. I still love comics, but this is always a problem when trying to start reading about another character.
Naah... That´s a mistake many "rookie" comicbook fans make. The only thing you need to "follow" a character like Hawkman its to read Hawkworld. Then, you can read another era, and you may like it or not. And if you don´t like it, you just stop reading it. My point is: Comicbooks are not a drama, YOU are the drama here xDxD
But like... I can read post Crisis Batman without having to artificially say “well I’ll read everything but I’m going to just ignore this, this and this.” I like Hawkman, probably more then the next guy, but he’s has no easy entry point.
I just figured that the Hawks' cycle of reincarnation was a simplistic way to explain the different versions. And their love is so stubborn and eternal that it powers the Main Lantern Battery of the Star Sapphires!
Me: Ughh Hawkman is so complicated, why can't they just... keep it simple. It's so annoying.
Also me: HAWKMAN IS SO COOL YAHHHH
And... This is exactly why comics need o stop being so afraid to let characters die or TRULY be rebooted, if you reboot an origin to fix a character but then set up a universe in which reboots don't actually exist and the screwed up versions are still there it just confuses things more. They really need to find a way to close off certain stories, or just stop overlapping multiverses cuz the more reboots that come out the worse it will become, multiverse crossovers are starting to become the new time travel, either it works or it screws things up with all kinds of unanswerable questions and paradoxes.
+Comic Drake I dare you to simply explain the New 52 Hawkman. That comic was a MESS! Any other version, shy of the 90s merged one, is easier to explain.
Maxx Nieves yo
Dude I totally agree with you, that's exact statement that is my mind. Especially the Supermen stuff
Reincarnated Egyptian 4 da win.
Dark Nights: Metal seems to be doing a good job not only simplifying Hawkman's Origin (Being the Egyptian prince Khufu who found the Thanagarian technology and then cursed with reincarnation), but making him a major player in the DCU's history and cosmology.
And I am so pumped for his ongoing series in June!
I must be a super-nerd because I never had a problem with keeping up with Hawkman. Hard to say what would be my favourite incarnation; I'm a bit of a Silver Age aficionado so I have a weakness for the Silver/Bronze Age Katar and Shayera Hol (The Shadow War of Hawkman is very underrated.) Then there was the "incarnated" Carter Hall from 2001 to Blackest Night, who was a badass and streamlined the character to and extent. Then there was the Hawkman that appeared in the third season of Justice League Unlimited who synthesized the reincarnated Pharaoh/Thanagarian versions, with the John Stewart love triangle thrown in.
The CW version seems like a major jerk, though. Then again, Hawkman was not always the most likeable person in the comics either.
I m3an, he wasn't too much of a jerk🙄.
They need to reboot Hawkman and put him in the DC Cinematic Universe, I always thought he was awesome
My favorite version of Hawkman was the DCAU version: Archeologist gets his brain zapped by an ancient Thanagarian space diary and starts THINKING he's a perpetually-reincarnating Thanagarian space cop.
--You get to have your cake and watch it fall on the floor in disappointment too.
Nah..
...I actually liked more what JLU did with Hawkman and Hawkgirl
Well, as Hawkman would no doubt say "Hey, at least I'm not Aquaman."
Hawkman is one of my favs and his Egyptian design is better than the rest
whichever version was represented by the Super Powers figure in the 80s. I loved that guy.
Robert Vendetti's Rebirth Hawkman run actually did a great job fixing everything. Maybe you can make a video on that?
He should, it cleaned the character up nicely.
I personally find it hard to believe all these Egyptian ppl in comics are always reincarnated into some blonde hair blue eyed white man
As of now, he is now an angel that is forced to reincarnate to atone for sins of the past.
Hawkworld was fucking awesome. For the first time the character made sense.
Carter Hall lately has been brought back and his storyline involves him searching through his reincarnation history
Me: What's the origin of Hawkman?
DC: Yes. No......... Yes.
That's great, but wanna get even more obscure and confusing? In the Golden Ages, Steve Trevor and Wonder Woman had a child named Hippolyta Trevor, who, since her parents kept getting retconned in and out of love, then also got retconned left, right and center herself until she ended up wed to a man named Hector Hall, who, as you've said, is the son of one of the Carter Halls. They had a child named Daniel Hall, who, *SPOILER ALERT*, TOOK OVER MORPHEUS'S MANTLE AS THE SECOND DREAM.
Moral of the Story? Parents who get heavily retconned, have children who get heavily retconned.
Actualy Geoff Johns fixed Hawkman in JSA.
He established that Nth Metal and his love for Shey-Ara (fuck, I'll never write it correctly) made him and her reincarnate. So... Every version of him is his reincarnation. Because comics.
And that version that was summoned on Thanagar by Hawkgirl has the memories of not only Katar, but also EVERY INCARNATION. He probably chose to call himself Carter, because JSA remembered Carter. Also Kendra (Hawkgirl) had some (not all, like her bae) memories of only Shiera Saunders, so he became her former lover to help her regain memories.
Space Cop, Thanagarian Hawk is the best.
I like da Egyptian version.
Rolyn Georges same
@Rolyn Georges Just two words for you: Read Hawkworld.
Update this bro. DC Rebirth made post crisis and new 52 the same universe. The current hawkman comic consolidates this ALL. Simply by saying the space hawkman and the earth hawkman are the same person. The explanation is that carter hall is reincarnated across time AND space. Their were hawkmen all over the universe, including on Krypton... all still the same man
New52 hawkman ftw the way his armor comes out of his skin is badass
That's exactly why I consider Hawkman a wasted opportunity.
Seriously, he could be as badass as the Thor from Marvel, or even more.
With egyptian origins (or kinda), he got Nth metal, super strength, speed and flight.
And some mythical magic stuff. And technology.
And he dates Shiera.
The guy is awesome.
If only they could stop doing it that confusing...
Imagine an update of this oh the headaches!
I like Hawkman and Hawkgirl better when they are from Thanagar.
Uh... dude, most of my Hawk person history comes from tha Justice League cartoon...
Alien Space Cop is my preferred Hawkman origin story.
Brian Hitch just said most of them are the same guy. He reincarnated across space and time, even going back in time
wow and i thought powergirl's origin was confusing
Also Black Canary's is a little like this because the whole her mom's (the first Black Canary) mind being shoved into her body because comics
+Alexander Palmer yeah. I know. So the daughter had memories of being banged by her dad. Creepy
should have just left him as the reincarnated Egyptian and let Carter Hall function as part of DC's mystic characters, things got needlessly complicated when they turned him into an alien.
i prefer the Egyptian origin story of Carter Hall as Hawkman to him been a space cop. Best example of this been notbin comics but in Smallville in latr series that do the character justice
Hands down, the alien space cop origin as told by Tim Truman in Hawkworld.
I know it's histories of characters like this that make people not like comic books, but it's a lot easier to sum up characters like this.
Hawkman: A superhero with a girlfriend that are resurrected after they die and meet again in the next life.
Booster Gold: Time traveling superhero.
Jonah Hex: Western Anti-hero with a scarred face.
It's not really all that hard.
I like the golden age origins a lot, its cool and original, space cop feels too over done, between greenlantern and Martian manhunter, lovin the vids man Keep it up
I liked the Geoff John's version. Carter is an accomplished but torn man. Katar Hol was the same way.
Ive always liked the JLU animated origin. That it was ancient alien technology that replayed memories and drove him in to thinking he was reincarnated.
but it really was true
If she don't give you the hawk tuah you don't talk tuah.
Good thing DC hasn't decided to retcon his origin in their latest event or anything.
actually the new 52 one is OK. not that bad , well done .
You missed another origin story. Originally Katar-Hol's name was Gene Hawkman who was also a cop chasing down a French heroin smuggler
Reincarnated Egyptian has always been my favorite Hawkman.
So thats why Hawkgirl is so much more popular, which for me it was always weird because Hawkman was the first, and for a long time I thought it was because JL Animated who made Hawkgirl more popular
But NOOOO, he has multiple origins, multiple identities, massive retcons AND EVEN DC THEMSELVES NOT ALLOWING WRITERS TO USE HIM. Holy shit
They normally share the same origin story. When Carter's a murdered prince, she's a murdered princess. When he's a space cop, so is she.
Hawkman is technically just a walking punching bag
SO MANY HAWKS
I love how the answers to every DC continuity problem is…let’s just call it magic! Yay! 🤣🤣
Personally, I just put Hawkworld back with all the other origin stuff (Man of Steel, Batman Year One, etc.), ignoring the poor editorial decision to make it take place with the modern day comics of the time and leaving Carter as the JSA/WW2 Hawkman and Katar as the JL/modern Hawkman, then consider the spy a plot limited just to the Invasion cross-over (head cannon!).
6:13 this fuckery would be easier to understand if the various Hawkpeople were simply time-displaced reincarnations of each other, but nooooo. Space cops were in vogue during the 60s or whatever.
Zero hour: crisis in time tried to make his origin make sense by fusing all of the versions of hawkman together. Which didnt help then dark nights metal acted like the jla didnt know hawkman in that reboot dispite them working together
I think without question, the limited series "Hawkworld" and the subsequent series was the finest of all of Hawkman's various and disconnected Hawkman origin stories. I cannot understand why DC had to screw with it again.
Hawkman is the most abused character DC has created. The "Hawkworld" series with Karmtar's metal wings and usage of real weapons such as guns was the finest and should either still be published or dropped all together, sparing Katar his ongoing abuse and apparwnt lack of respect for a great character.
... wow , and actually I was a fan of the egyptian carter hall. But over all as far as DC went, I really enjoyed Justice League & Justice League Unlimited. But i was never a fan of how they tried to blend the alien & reincarnation hawkman in the series.
What about the DCAU version? You know, the Archeologist who believed himself to be the reincarnation of a space-cop who crashlanded in ancient Egypt
3:55 Dang! Check out Superman's Super-Mullet!
Space cop sounds more interesting and less convoluted so I like that origin more
The Egyptian Origin is my favorite version
At least they kept him simple in the Black Adam movie
Just make him an alien space cop and also the reincarnation of an egyptian prince.
my god DC has got to get their continuity problems together.
The Golden-age Hawks who born in ancient Egypt and they keep reincarnating.
The reincarnation storyline is less confusing and silly than the alien origin. They should keep that.
the best origin is the space cop
Silver Age because Gardner Fox and he's friends with Adam Strange.
Sometimes it just seems like the Silver Age of Comics will never die. Crazy as that may seem.
5:36 wait…was this version of Hawkgirl Charlie’s mother? I genuinely don’t remember. It’s gross either way
Sharon Parker (the sleeper agent Hawkgirl who appeared in issues of JLI) was Charley Parker’s mother, not Kendra Saunders.
All this makes perfect sense if you don't think about it.
Hawkman should simply be the reincarnated Egyptian version and that's it. That alone is interesting and complicated enough in itself
Broken Wave But then Rann and Thanagar couldn't go to war.
I like to combine both origins. Where a thanagarian cop and his lover/partner land in ancient egypt. They disguise themselves as egyptians. Prince Khufu dies and Carter Hall looks like Prince Khufu and assumes his identity. Some stuff happens and Hawkman goes back to the Carter Hall identity along with Shayera. And then they form the Justice Society with other heroes.
One soul who has lived many lives as we all have. Thanagar cop, egyptian royalty, superhero.
Robert Venditti’s take on Hawkman is the best imo. Blends the whole mythology together… Khufu, Carter, Katar and some others for good measure. Also adds some more lore to the character
I like how Hawkman's origin was depicted in the Justice League animated series: aliens who lived in ancient Egypt! But as for being a stalker...
Space cop Hawkman is really cool, Hawkworld miniseries could be a movie. I think they should’ve done hawkworld but when he went after byth and landed on earth it would’ve been in ancient Egypt and then they could’ve introduced the reincarnation mind wiping stuff.
To quote Kirk Kimball, "Thanagar's champion, Hawkman can talk to birds. He also can't talk to birds. Sometimes, he can't even speak normally at all! Even if he could talk normally, or to birds, there are no birds on Thanagar, because it does not exist. Hawkman was sent here to study Earthly police methods, because Thanagar's own methods suck! That's OK though, because Thanagar still does not exist! Yet it is populated by peaceful barbarians! Who are stupid, and also warlike!" Thank God Robert Venditti fixed Hawkman (For now at least.) with his 2018 run. He made reincarnation a huge part of Hawkman's story, so now he's a Thanagarian space cop, an Egyptian pharaoh, an archeologist, even a Kryptonian and so on. It was really good!
Robert Venditti is doing the best Hawkman.
I like space cop Hawkman (mostly because of Hawkgirl from the JL cartoon of the early 00's), that is the version I wanted in the so-called "Arrow-verse", because I hate the Ancient Egyptian reincarnation version so much as I find it the least interesting of all the Golden Age comic book characters.
+sion8 Yeah the reincarnated ones are awful. Really bad.
Before this vid I basically knew nothing about him but thought he had some quatum jump/ reincarnation thing and thats what made him complicated
Okay, the DCAU REALLY simplified this:
- Shayera is basically the sleeper agent, except still a hero and cop
- Hro Talek is Katar Hol, except he never left Thanagar, and is a sick
- Carter Hall is Carter Hall, except a bit obsessive
Always liked the hawkman but never thought they could ever get anything really going with him as a solo character. As a side note i was thinking about his weaponry and i like the war mace its classic but he needs a distinctive long range weapon and i have decided that a spring loaded extending javelin made of some super alloy or whatever should be it. I have some other ideas how to make him better but maybe next time.
I prefer the space cop myself I also prefer when the wings are just part of his body
Wait, I just read Dark Knights Metal, and Carter Hall was in that comic.
Hawkman must have cycled back around and reincarnated into Carter Hall again.
That was rather interesting and informative, you have my like and subscribe, good sir.
I like the Hawkman origin from the current ongoing series that started in 2018.
Hawkman is as detailed a back story far more convoluted than a riddle of the Sphinx.
Without question, the Katar Hol, wingman of Thanagar, is the finest expression of the character. Metallic wings, real weapons, no reincarnated Egyptian nonsense. This version was so great that DC could not avoid screwing it up. Again
I like both origins equally, but I think The space cop with wings fits the best for DC, since the universe already has more space focus than on magic. Then again, maybe the Egyptian resurrection story would be better for more magic in the DC universe
Can anyone explain why the Justice Society character has two types of headgear: a hood wirh a red hawk symbol in front, and the more elabirate hawk bill version?