Le Train Bleu is hugely overrated, we ate there recently. It's very nice aesthetically but the quality of food is very poor, almost tourist trap like. Try looking elsewhere for other top French restaurants.
Brilliant! I would love to travel on this route on the upper deck of a TGV. Your video has inspired me to do this trip next year hopefully. I love your channel, and watch every week, keep up the great work and content.😊
If you can book your seat early, High Speed TGV Paris-Bordeaux (575 km) can be cheap : 6 November 2023, departure Paris 9:04am - arrival Bordeaux 11:14am, travel time 2hr10 min. Cost 45 euros.😀
I'm often zipping across France on the TGV Duplex but I also recall taking the Eurostar from London St Pancras all the way to Marseille St Charles. Must have taken about six and a half hours. I was certainly impressed with the view of Avignon as we swept down over the Rhône. Sorry to see you were on the wrong side of the train. Tomorrow I will be travelling from Bayonne to Paris Montparnasse (upper deck of course). Just one thing, I think Gare de Lyon has a Hall 3 as well.
Great review! Considering I've never been on any TGV journeys with the exception on going on the Eurostar from London to Paris on the class 373/e300, I really should take that into consideration of planning a trip of the TGV network. Of course the upper deck gives a great view of the scenery compared to the lower deck
But the lower decks are quieter as there's barely any foot traffic from other passengers. Except maybe end cars (1-8 and 10-18) because they are the only ones with a bogie under one end. In these cars the upper deck is quieter. On other cars' upper decks, partially 3-5 and 13-15 that are located right next to the bar car, you can have half the train walking by your seat to access the bar car. While all lower decks are culs-de-sacs, and thus have very little foot traffic.
My favorite TGV route is Paris-Bordeaux, the views are breathtaking, and the trains look much better. One thing I never do is to buy food on board the train, you can buy something in a store that's more filling and easier on your wallet: planning is everything. I am now also a big fan of Ouigo, the low-cost service of SNCF, the seats are comfortable, the prices are more friendly, and it is as fast. It now also operates in Spain, maybe the UK some day? London-Manchester for £9?
OUIGO will never operate in England, the market is impossible for foreign brands. Also, for technical reason it may not be possible to run double decker trains in the uk
yeah got ouigo from lille to cdg ter 2 in december. was just the same as a normal tgv but with more seats and a crap paint scheme. just as fast, cant argue with the price.
@@andrewyoung749 The main reason why OUIGO can operate such low prices is coming from the capacity of their fleet, 2 OUIGO train sets can carry up to 1.3k ppl, that’s almost 4x more than a regular train set in the uk.
Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year
Great video and channel ..train travel in Europe with the multi lingual staff great carriages and as of my experience always on time ..back in Britain on Avanti west coast line makes you realise how far behind we are with the poor level of services and comfort on these UK trains ..shocking really
meh german trains are late al the time. i acrtually cant recall an ice being on time . and the stats on that are that db allows 6 mins before being declared late as opposed uks 5 mins and db still fails versus uk to meet that limit having more ae trains than uk. so in uk 91 percent o trains arrive within 5 mins of booked time. in germany 89 percent of trains arrive within 6 mins of booked time. sncf is better. mind you the last tgv lyria i was on was late off geneve by an hour then lost time and arrived paris lyon too ate for me to get to my connection at st azare. the first tgv i was ever on had sticky floors that came up with your steps lol and sh.t smeared on the wc walls. it was in 2004ish and was an original set living out its days on the lille-disneyland run. generally pretty good though. no luggage space on the 2 deck ones though and cant fit anything in the racks overhead. the muti lingual staff is a silly complaint re uk. our trains run between three english speaking nations. the continent uses english because its spoken as a first r second language by vast swathes of the global popoulation. what language should lner also announce in? french, german, do many people who are on uk trains who speak german not speak some english? mandarin or spanish maybe
Totally agree. TGV PSE had most agressive engine profil, absolut masterpiece and the compressor sound at the station...❤ Good old memories with the first orange livery
My favorite route is the intersector route between Lille Europe and Montpellier/Perpignan because this route avoid Paris and you didn't have to change at Paris because Paris terminals are too busy.
A quieter ride on the upper deck? Precisely the interest of the lower deck is the absence of connecting vestibule, which means that all lower deck cabins are culs-de-sacs and have barely any foot traffic, which is great if you want to sleep or relax, or are worried about leaving your luggage unattended. While on the other hand, the upper deck cabins, particularly in cars 3 - 5 and 13 - 15 which neighbor the bar car, do see a ton of passage by virtually half the train's passengers (from both decks) on their way to the bar car, and back. The only upper deck cabins that are as quiet as the lower deck ones are the 1 - 8 and 10 - 18 because they are end cars and thus are also culs-de-sacs. If by quiet you only mean less noise, I've ridden Duplex TGV's dozens and dozens of times and never felt like the lower deck was noisier than the upper deck. Except maybe for the end cars, because they are the only ones in the train that have a bogie located under one end of the carriage. All other cars only have the usual TGV bogies between them, and thus are not sitting over the bogies. Plus, normal cars (not end ones) are "suspended" from bogies' carriages from a point roughly located towards the height of the lower deck ceiling - upper deck floor, so rolling noises should be the same on both decks. The lower half of the car's fuselage also has more phonic insulation than the upper half, to block out the noise that reverbs from the tracks and rare occurrences of projected ballast. So usually the quietest seats are located either on lower decks of cars 2 to 7 and 12 to 16, while it's only the end cars 1, 8, 10, and 18 for the upper deck. That's where you should have the least noise and passage. During a time, SNCF had cabin "moods", with the zen and quiet one on the lower deck where silence was asked to work or sleep, and the "talkative" and lively cabins on the upper deck where passengers could play board games, talk, laugh, etc. For journeys like going to ski resorts in the Alps, which can be a bit long due to the lengthy ride through narrow winding valleys, I always took a lower deck seat, so as to be able to sleep or watch a movie without being bothered by either noise or passage. Great trip report, as always! 👍
TGV is really one of the best ways to travel in Europe! As well, if you take one going/coming from Nice, Hyeres or Toulon it would be non stop between Paris and Marseille!
Why? This allows many people with limited means to travel by planning ahead to get low ticket prices. And on the other hand, allows operator to better fill their trains and avoid running empty ones. Having like a 29 or 39 euro ticket is only permitted by yield management pricing. For companies to avoid loosing money without yield management pricing, they would need fixed prices higher than the current average to cover the losses of empty seats due to less traveled hours having tickets too expensive to attract enough travelers. People always complain about demand based pricing (yield management), but they don't understand what it would really mean.
The time advantage you get by using the tgv always gets lost because You have to cross from north Station to south Station throu the complete chaos that is central paris.
Paris, "gare de Lyon", malheureusement, pour ceux qui ont connu les années 80, cette gare restera associée au meurtrier accident de train de 1988, où un train de banlieue sans frein est venu percuter un train à quai rempli de voyageurs... depuis cette évènement, la sncf, c'est remise en cause et a tout repensé sa sécurité.
I ❤ 🚂🚃🚄🚅🚈🚞🚝 I have a folder on ''transportation'' thank you chou chou chouuuu :)) --------------------------------------- Btw, here's something you may find interesting. :) The name of my country has nothing to do with the interesting and delicious bird ''turkey'', well let me explain. :) Name of my country has always been Turkiye, that is Turk-iye, where the -iye suffix means ''land of/belonging to''... ...just like the Latin suffix -ia in such countries as Latv-ia, Roman-ia, Eston-ia, Austr-ia, Austral-ia etc etc. Another example; decades ago Czechoslovakia Republic changed it's name to Czech Republic and a few years ago changed that to Czechia (that is Czech-ia). Anyways, most likely the Latin -ia suffix was derived from the Turkish version -iye, as Turkish is much much older. Because in old times people of different languages could only pronounce it as their languages allowed them, we got various differences in spelling like Turchia (in Italian), Turquie (in French) and Turkey (in English) all trying to resemble the pronounciation of ''Turk-ia'' thus Turkiye. Mind you this was way BEFORE the animal we currently know as 'turkey'' was found by the europeans when they explored the north americas.... ...they came across the bird and thought it was a specie of the fowl/chicken they had been buying from the country of Turkiye at the time, so they named the bird ''Turkey Fowl'' meaning ''Turkish Chicken''..... ....just like how a dog breed is known as German Shepherd (because it's from Germany), Rhodesian Ridgeback (because it's from Rhodesia), American Bulldog, British Terrier, Greek Harehound etc etc. In time you don't get to call the Greek Harehound as simply as ''Greek''; or you don't call the British Terrier as ''British''; or the German Shepherd as ''German'', but in time the Turkish Fowl started to be called just ''turkey'', and has been going on for hundreds of years. Now in 2023, this is causing confusion, especially when we have people across the world unable to point to their OWN country on the atlas, this ''confusion over the naming'' needed to be corrected. So my country decided to rectify this confusion that has been going on for so long and corrected the name in other languages to Türkiye, which it always was, we basically didn't change the name of our country, we changed the mistake made in the English language. : ) So, there's some tid bit information for you to have a great day, if you read upto this point you have a great night too, ohh just have a wonderfull life. : ) Best wishes. ;)
Mr Bean’s holiday is what introduced me to Gare de Lyon and I’d love to eat at ‘le tren bleu’ if I can save up the money
Le Train Bleu is hugely overrated, we ate there recently. It's very nice aesthetically but the quality of food is very poor, almost tourist trap like. Try looking elsewhere for other top French restaurants.
TGV is a wonderful train... as you say - prefer the single Decker for the luggage space!
Brilliant! I would love to travel on this route on the upper deck of a TGV. Your video has inspired me to do this trip next year hopefully.
I love your channel, and watch every week, keep up the great work and content.😊
I'm planning to take this exact train during my trip next year. Thanks for the detailed info!
11:57 That door closing alarm sounds way more friendly than on the older TGV Réseau sets!
I think this door in 11:57 is electric powered while the restaurant is pneumatic door.
Great trip report again Midland
I hope you can do TGV Lyria sometime
If you can book your seat early, High Speed TGV Paris-Bordeaux (575 km) can be cheap : 6 November 2023, departure Paris 9:04am - arrival Bordeaux 11:14am, travel time 2hr10 min. Cost 45 euros.😀
I'm often zipping across France on the TGV Duplex but I also recall taking the Eurostar from London St Pancras all the way to Marseille St Charles. Must have taken about six and a half hours. I was certainly impressed with the view of Avignon as we swept down over the Rhône. Sorry to see you were on the wrong side of the train.
Tomorrow I will be travelling from Bayonne to Paris Montparnasse (upper deck of course).
Just one thing, I think Gare de Lyon has a Hall 3 as well.
Great review! Considering I've never been on any TGV journeys with the exception on going on the Eurostar from London to Paris on the class 373/e300, I really should take that into consideration of planning a trip of the TGV network. Of course the upper deck gives a great view of the scenery compared to the lower deck
But the lower decks are quieter as there's barely any foot traffic from other passengers.
Except maybe end cars (1-8 and 10-18) because they are the only ones with a bogie under one end. In these cars the upper deck is quieter.
On other cars' upper decks, partially 3-5 and 13-15 that are located right next to the bar car, you can have half the train walking by your seat to access the bar car.
While all lower decks are culs-de-sacs, and thus have very little foot traffic.
My favorite TGV route is Paris-Bordeaux, the views are breathtaking, and the trains look much better. One thing I never do is to buy food on board the train, you can buy something in a store that's more filling and easier on your wallet: planning is everything. I am now also a big fan of Ouigo, the low-cost service of SNCF, the seats are comfortable, the prices are more friendly, and it is as fast. It now also operates in Spain, maybe the UK some day? London-Manchester for £9?
OUIGO will never operate in England, the market is impossible for foreign brands. Also, for technical reason it may not be possible to run double decker trains in the uk
@@fugf1623 they wouldnt run double deckers in the uk but could still run a normal train.
yeah got ouigo from lille to cdg ter 2 in december. was just the same as a normal tgv but with more seats and a crap paint scheme. just as fast, cant argue with the price.
@@andrewyoung749 The main reason why OUIGO can operate such low prices is coming from the capacity of their fleet, 2 OUIGO train sets can carry up to 1.3k ppl, that’s almost 4x more than a regular train set in the uk.
Great 👍 but i think the Bord Restaurant in the ice is also great
Please do a review onboard the RENFE AVE S102 Talgo pato and the Alvia S730 from Madrid to Extremadura. Good video, I am subscribed to your channel. Happy New year
17:21 Paris-Strasbourg Non-Stop at 320Km/H
On Monday I will be on a tgv from paris gare d'lest to munchen haubtbahnhoff
Great video and channel ..train travel in Europe with the multi lingual staff great carriages and as of my experience always on time ..back in Britain on Avanti west coast line makes you realise how far behind we are with the poor level of services and comfort on these UK trains ..shocking really
meh german trains are late al the time. i acrtually cant recall an ice being on time . and the stats on that are that db allows 6 mins before being declared late as opposed uks 5 mins and db still fails versus uk to meet that limit having more ae trains than uk. so in uk 91 percent o trains arrive within 5 mins of booked time. in germany 89 percent of trains arrive within 6 mins of booked time.
sncf is better. mind you the last tgv lyria i was on was late off geneve by an hour then lost time and arrived paris lyon too ate for me to get to my connection at st azare. the first tgv i was ever on had sticky floors that came up with your steps lol and sh.t smeared on the wc walls. it was in 2004ish and was an original set living out its days on the lille-disneyland run. generally pretty good though. no luggage space on the 2 deck ones though and cant fit anything in the racks overhead.
the muti lingual staff is a silly complaint re uk. our trains run between three english speaking nations. the continent uses english because its spoken as a first r second language by vast swathes of the global popoulation. what language should lner also announce in? french, german, do many people who are on uk trains who speak german not speak some english? mandarin or spanish maybe
SNCF should also preserve Patrick, TGV Sud-Est set 01. It's an utter shame how bad that set has been treated
Totally agree.
TGV PSE had most agressive engine profil, absolut masterpiece and the compressor sound at the station...❤
Good old memories with the first orange livery
The person in the front seat playing some HOI4. :P
My favorite route is the intersector route between Lille Europe and Montpellier/Perpignan because this route avoid Paris and you didn't have to change at Paris because Paris terminals are too busy.
A quieter ride on the upper deck?
Precisely the interest of the lower deck is the absence of connecting vestibule, which means that all lower deck cabins are culs-de-sacs and have barely any foot traffic, which is great if you want to sleep or relax, or are worried about leaving your luggage unattended.
While on the other hand, the upper deck cabins, particularly in cars 3 - 5 and 13 - 15 which neighbor the bar car, do see a ton of passage by virtually half the train's passengers (from both decks) on their way to the bar car, and back.
The only upper deck cabins that are as quiet as the lower deck ones are the 1 - 8 and 10 - 18 because they are end cars and thus are also culs-de-sacs.
If by quiet you only mean less noise, I've ridden Duplex TGV's dozens and dozens of times and never felt like the lower deck was noisier than the upper deck.
Except maybe for the end cars, because they are the only ones in the train that have a bogie located under one end of the carriage.
All other cars only have the usual TGV bogies between them, and thus are not sitting over the bogies. Plus, normal cars (not end ones) are "suspended" from bogies' carriages from a point roughly located towards the height of the lower deck ceiling - upper deck floor, so rolling noises should be the same on both decks.
The lower half of the car's fuselage also has more phonic insulation than the upper half, to block out the noise that reverbs from the tracks and rare occurrences of projected ballast.
So usually the quietest seats are located either on lower decks of cars 2 to 7 and 12 to 16, while it's only the end cars 1, 8, 10, and 18 for the upper deck. That's where you should have the least noise and passage.
During a time, SNCF had cabin "moods", with the zen and quiet one on the lower deck where silence was asked to work or sleep, and the "talkative" and lively cabins on the upper deck where passengers could play board games, talk, laugh, etc.
For journeys like going to ski resorts in the Alps, which can be a bit long due to the lengthy ride through narrow winding valleys, I always took a lower deck seat, so as to be able to sleep or watch a movie without being bothered by either noise or passage.
Great trip report, as always! 👍
TGV is really one of the best ways to travel in Europe! As well, if you take one going/coming from Nice, Hyeres or Toulon it would be non stop between Paris and Marseille!
Kindly show also the prices of the train
…I already did?
check the description
How tall are you so I can compare leg room?
If u have a tgv going to toulouse go to the lyon part dieu one and take it I conseil it to u
Demand based pricing / dynamic pricing shoudl be ILLEGAL.
Why? This allows many people with limited means to travel by planning ahead to get low ticket prices.
And on the other hand, allows operator to better fill their trains and avoid running empty ones.
Having like a 29 or 39 euro ticket is only permitted by yield management pricing.
For companies to avoid loosing money without yield management pricing, they would need fixed prices higher than the current average to cover the losses of empty seats due to less traveled hours having tickets too expensive to attract enough travelers.
People always complain about demand based pricing (yield management), but they don't understand what it would really mean.
Why on earth would you travel on Bastile Day????
The time advantage you get by using the tgv always gets lost because You have to cross from north Station to south Station throu the complete chaos that is central paris.
INOUI = incredible or unheard-of. How apt, LOL
Paris, "gare de Lyon", malheureusement, pour ceux qui ont connu les années 80, cette gare restera associée au meurtrier accident de train de 1988, où un train de banlieue sans frein est venu percuter un train à quai rempli de voyageurs... depuis cette évènement, la sncf, c'est remise en cause et a tout repensé sa sécurité.
except that is costs as much if not more than an airplane ticket.
I ❤ 🚂🚃🚄🚅🚈🚞🚝
I have a folder on ''transportation''
thank you chou chou chouuuu :))
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Btw, here's something you may find interesting. :)
The name of my country has nothing to do with the interesting and delicious bird ''turkey'', well let me explain. :)
Name of my country has always been Turkiye, that is Turk-iye, where the -iye suffix means ''land of/belonging to''...
...just like the Latin suffix -ia in such countries as Latv-ia, Roman-ia, Eston-ia, Austr-ia, Austral-ia etc etc. Another example; decades ago Czechoslovakia Republic changed it's name to Czech Republic and a few years ago changed that to Czechia (that is Czech-ia).
Anyways, most likely the Latin -ia suffix was derived from the Turkish version -iye,
as Turkish is much much older.
Because in old times people of different languages could only pronounce it as their languages allowed them, we got various differences in spelling like Turchia (in Italian), Turquie (in French) and Turkey (in English) all trying to resemble the pronounciation of ''Turk-ia'' thus Turkiye.
Mind you this was way BEFORE the animal we currently know as 'turkey'' was found by the europeans when they explored the north americas....
...they came across the bird and thought it was a specie of the fowl/chicken they had been buying from the country of Turkiye at the time, so they named the bird ''Turkey Fowl'' meaning ''Turkish Chicken''.....
....just like how a dog breed is known as German Shepherd (because it's from Germany), Rhodesian Ridgeback (because it's from Rhodesia), American Bulldog, British Terrier, Greek Harehound etc etc.
In time you don't get to call the Greek Harehound as simply as ''Greek''; or you don't call the British Terrier as ''British''; or the German Shepherd as ''German'', but in time the Turkish Fowl started to be called just ''turkey'', and has been going on for hundreds of years.
Now in 2023, this is causing confusion, especially when we have people across the world unable to point to their OWN country on the atlas, this ''confusion over the naming'' needed to be corrected.
So my country decided to rectify this confusion that has been going on for so long and corrected the name in other languages to Türkiye, which it always was, we basically didn't change the name of our country, we changed the mistake made in the English language. : )
So, there's some tid bit information for you to have a great day, if you read upto this point you have a great night too, ohh just have a wonderfull life. : )
Best wishes. ;)