If they nerf charm damage, then counter also needs an energy nerf. until there is a good fairy and fighting fast move for energy generation in the game these moves can't be nerfed.
Totally cool with both being nerfed. Imo shadow Machamp is the most broken Pokémon in remix and should be in the discussion of razor leafers and charmers. The exception is Machamp actually gets to its moves quicker.
@@pvpshelze129 karate chop is already a vine whip clone, it might have to become a shadow claw clone (+1 dmg), low kick probably has to become a mud shot clone. Fairy in general definitely needs more fast moves. Coverage fast moves almost always have to be some of the best moves in the game to be worth using.
I lost today 4 games because of lags… once it was pretty frustrating when my beedril had full hp and the enemy granbull charmed me in that lag period down when he was around quarter hp :) but atleast its esport ready #absolutlynotironic
For this particular team yes, however as you could see I still beat plenty of registeel. Mainly cause my opponents didn't use any shields or could've managed their energy better, so you have to be cautious still. Some of these teams also run fighters like S-Champ though, regi won't help there ofcourse.
Well every Pokémon has that one type or a combination of types that they hate seeing. Trevenant gets absolutely walled by Normal/Flying types, Swampert dies to 5 Razor Leafs from most of its users, Registeel gets walled by A-Marowak, etc. Just because you see Pokémon that counter what you have doesn't mean you should immediately drop it. But to be fair, running Scrafty in Remix is a little crazy right now, people are running charmers left and right lol.
@@dominicknatale5866 I know. I got so tired of lag and charge moves not working I figured this would be an answer. It’s not all that easy to win with 3x charm to be honest
Honestly I’m ok with teams like this but only because of the current state of the game. With the amount of lag I face every battle, teams like this are just easier and not as stressful
Scrafty only takes about 2.25 charms from Shadow Granbull when not debuffed. I’d say debuff it with 2 poison fangs it it would probably die to 1 charm.
i really wanna make this team but its so expensive and knowing my luck i'll just get completely hardcountered, like some days ago i made ur triple water team cause it was "so strong" well i made it wasted tons of dust and got totally hardcountered 10 matches in a row..
Exactly my experience with GBL nowadays lol. I built a non-XL rank 1 Trevenant for Ultra League cuz I heard it would be awesome. In overwhelming excitement I dropped around 200.000 stardust and 300-400 candy (I evolved it myself) just on this Pokémon. Then I went in and all I saw was A-Muks, Obstagoons and Drapions owning my ass. My excitement died out super fast. Maybe I should've waited a bit before using it, should've figured people would make hard-counter teams for the Pokémon that just came out.
@@masterblaster2678 its not that tho cause streamers and other legends make those pokemon to and they get good lead are atlist no triple counters to their team we are just the unlucky bunch of the players.. i know my skill lvl is at least veteran but my luck lvl is always around 2100 or 2200
Don’t own a Probopass so I swapped it for Steelix. Downside that it makes this detrimental team double weak to fire but dragon tails really add to the toxicity tho.
i have no problem with the people who come up with these dirty but powerful strategies. they had to put effort into designing the team at least. it's everyone who jumps on the bandwagon afterward because they see easy wins who i have no respect for.
@@bigfudge2031 Crazy to think that when I think of "amazing fast move" I think of all those types, and the ghost type Shadow Claw. They need to either nerf those too or bring other fast moves to be on par with Counter, Snarl and D-Breath/Tail.
Amazing display of skill by Thomas here, this type of teams requires a lot of brain power
Thank you Charles, your streams taught me a lot ;)
You mean the tap tap hole teams xD
18:45 realising that the shield was unnecessary as switch timers were misaligned was such a brilliant move imo.
If they nerf charm damage, then counter also needs an energy nerf.
until there is a good fairy and fighting fast move for energy generation in the game these moves can't be nerfed.
Add fairy wind and make karate chop (or low sweep idk) a vine whip clone
Totally cool with both being nerfed. Imo shadow Machamp is the most broken Pokémon in remix and should be in the discussion of razor leafers and charmers. The exception is Machamp actually gets to its moves quicker.
@@svenparadox3859 shadow machamp gets rekt by charmers or confusion. Victini with a shield beats shadow champ
@@pvpshelze129 karate chop is already a vine whip clone, it might have to become a shadow claw clone (+1 dmg), low kick probably has to become a mud shot clone. Fairy in general definitely needs more fast moves. Coverage fast moves almost always have to be some of the best moves in the game to be worth using.
Been running into so many of these teams lately. I now feel like I understand how to win them a little bit better.
The fast move damage from these is crazy.
I made it to Ace today then immediately started losing almost all games and dropped by 80 pts.
shadow granbull is terrifying, thing just hits soooo hard
Poke Ak was also frustrated with lag and started running fast move pressure team. This is a great strategy atleast for now!
@Josh B whiners are right occasionally
I oftenly lose to these kind of team cause i save my shieds then a fastmove spammer comes shields are useless...
A tank with shadow charm and shadow razor leaf..... This is the team of my nightmares
Okay this inspires me to build my shadow granbull
damn it i played that with bastiodon like 3 months ago when i wanted to get my sets done fast
I lost today 4 games because of lags… once it was pretty frustrating when my beedril had full hp and the enemy granbull charmed me in that lag period down when he was around quarter hp :) but atleast its esport ready #absolutlynotironic
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Almost went 5-0 and lagged fd me up big time so my charged move went through bug didn't register on the opponent
No wonder i am facing granbull like crazy today.
if i use probo shadow instead of normal thn wt? @tho techtical
Another version of this team is Shadow Sharpedo lead, meet some player use that team
just out of curiosity, what makes using the regular sprites with a shadow background easier than using the actual shadow sprites?
there are no shadow sprites unfortunately
Shadow areodactal has been shredding through teams for me, or getting annihilated.
Sounds fun! At least when you're not getting destroyed haha
Good video needed this
When I was first playing against a team like this I was so confused at what was happening to my team and how fast it was taken out
What fast move does probopass have?
rock throw!
I ran into a variation of this running fire fang s-mawile and boy oh boy was it satisfying to beat when I was running spice
"I am going over how to counter the most toxic team in the meta... which why I'm showcasing my gameplay" LMAO
Is the answer just play registeel? Or would FMBD teams have counters for it usually?
For this particular team yes, however as you could see I still beat plenty of registeel. Mainly cause my opponents didn't use any shields or could've managed their energy better, so you have to be cautious still. Some of these teams also run fighters like S-Champ though, regi won't help there ofcourse.
No charm nerf until they release another fairy fast move. It’s incredibly vital to balancing the typings in the meta
yep, I agree
Or nerf damage 20% and increase energy gain 20% how does it make sense that it's high damage anyway?
The problame with charm is that even throung poison resist it it Still does so much damage that it shouldent be able
You think shadow probo is better btw?
Went positive in 4 set w the ThoToxical team.
Thanks!
I play with the same team, but vileplume instead of grandbull
Thoughts on shadow probopass? It's my only rank 1 shadow
Since it's so bulky, it might make for a good shadow. I say you try it!
I like this kinda team
Great video! Any thoughts on shadow probopass for this team?
After I made it to Ace this season, I've started to see many Shadow Granbull's.
thank you for this video !
Nice shiny Cressella in the great league.
My trevenant registeel pidgeot team is waiting
I love this team
That’s why they should ban teams and not pokemon separately.
Me also do not like charmers specially when I used to have altaria and scrafty in my team, but now I have replaced them with other pokemons
Well every Pokémon has that one type or a combination of types that they hate seeing. Trevenant gets absolutely walled by Normal/Flying types, Swampert dies to 5 Razor Leafs from most of its users, Registeel gets walled by A-Marowak, etc. Just because you see Pokémon that counter what you have doesn't mean you should immediately drop it. But to be fair, running Scrafty in Remix is a little crazy right now, people are running charmers left and right lol.
I’m assuming this is remix… does this work well in Open…?
I ran into this team they top left bad alignment they had
I faced a triple charm team today... with shadow granbull. Think that might be a bit more toxic😂
If you are Ace rank and battled about 5 hrs ago vs Shadow Granbull Wiggles and Clefable that very well might have been me 😜
@@amysparks17 god what a loser 🤣
@@dominicknatale5866 I know. I got so tired of lag and charge moves not working I figured this would be an answer. It’s not all that easy to win with 3x charm to be honest
@@amysparks17 i believe it actually cus i have ran up to the double charms and its like ya you f them up, but dont ever get many charges off
I faced so many charm teams today on remix cup... 😡😡😡
oh there, we can see all the hate speech, but cover it with 'i dont mean to disrespect', and then showcasing it. so funny lol
What does it mean what you said when your opponent changed to pidgeot?
One less charmer per like,
calling the family we got work to do
Honestly I’m ok with teams like this but only because of the current state of the game. With the amount of lag I face every battle, teams like this are just easier and not as stressful
Was just wondering if a 4 times defence debuffed scrafty, zweillous go down to just one charm from a shadow bull from full health!!
Probably
Scrafty only takes about 2.25 charms from Shadow Granbull when not debuffed. I’d say debuff it with 2 poison fangs it it would probably die to 1 charm.
Quad debuffed Zweilous takes 102 damage per charm from max attack weighted shadow granbull
Liking to remove charmers xD
Lost to this exact team today. Took me too long to recognize what kind of team it was.
Fast move damage going kinda fast
i really wanna make this team but its so expensive and knowing my luck i'll just get completely hardcountered, like some days ago i made ur triple water team cause it was "so strong" well i made it wasted tons of dust and got totally hardcountered 10 matches in a row..
Don't use this team anakin
@@llGeeko xD
Not really worth it charmhole team like this only work for a while as usually only rookie players us Than once you move higher in rank its useless
Exactly my experience with GBL nowadays lol. I built a non-XL rank 1 Trevenant for Ultra League cuz I heard it would be awesome. In overwhelming excitement I dropped around 200.000 stardust and 300-400 candy (I evolved it myself) just on this Pokémon. Then I went in and all I saw was A-Muks, Obstagoons and Drapions owning my ass. My excitement died out super fast. Maybe I should've waited a bit before using it, should've figured people would make hard-counter teams for the Pokémon that just came out.
@@masterblaster2678 its not that tho cause streamers and other legends make those pokemon to and they get good lead are atlist no triple counters to their team we are just the unlucky bunch of the players.. i know my skill lvl is at least veteran but my luck lvl is always around 2100 or 2200
I love these teams even tho i never use them 🤔🤣
Shadow granbull is so broken 😂😂😂
I hate perfect xl azu users
Miau
Don’t own a Probopass so I swapped it for Steelix. Downside that it makes this detrimental team double weak to fire but dragon tails really add to the toxicity tho.
oh fuck now i know why i met this shit so many times ;d
i have no problem with the people who come up with these dirty but powerful strategies. they had to put effort into designing the team at least. it's everyone who jumps on the bandwagon afterward because they see easy wins who i have no respect for.
How haven't they nerfed charm yet? I think everyone would loke that
because fighting, dark and dragon would be even stronger than they already are.
Charm is the only fairy fast move in the game, they can't nerf it.
@@bigfudge2031 Crazy to think that when I think of "amazing fast move" I think of all those types, and the ghost type Shadow Claw. They need to either nerf those too or bring other fast moves to be on par with Counter, Snarl and D-Breath/Tail.
@@masterblaster2678 counter is the strongest fast move in the game in terms of damage/energy so that should be nerfed before anything else.
The answer for granbull is skarmory. Thank me later
1 like resulting in 1 less charmer user? I'm in
Nice!
Lol I run these sometimes
You're a monster
can't deny they work!
Hello how old are you?
Lemme use my 100 alt accounts to like this video bcoz 1 like from my main account will not make any difference for charmers I face daily 😆😅
First!!
not quite, but almost!
Lol you're welcome
For what?
@@ThoTechtical 👀🍿