Fer-De_Lance or Mamba? I Think I Made A Good Choice.
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- Been flying the Corvette for a long time, and it is time to get a medium fighter ship to start practicing some dogfighting in Elite dangerous, and I am choosing between the Fer-De-Lance and the Mamba.
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00:00 Introduction
00:23 corvette is a good investment
01:23 fer-de-lance or mamba
05:17 decided & outfitting my new ship
07:31 let's take her out
08:42 engage the enemy
10:20 trying to overcome overheating
13:08 I love this ship
16:03 summary 
Игры
11:14
Foxy: Yeah, it's better!
Ship: Temperature critical.
Foxy: Much better!
lol
I love medium ships, but if you enjoyed your time in the Corvette, I'm happy for you. This is a game and we should fly the ships that we like. The Corvette is a badass ship and probably my favorite large ship.
Very true indeed
I like my Mamba. The view alone 😊
The Mamba is a fun ship. And it is much larger than I thought - which I realized after space feet dropped.
I prefer small / medium ships. Just more fun.
You're going to have to look into engineering to get better performance than even off-the-rack A grade modules can deliver (but certainly start there!) but it's worth the effort for the results, the overheating alone can be significantly improved with a few good choices and you'll love what it can do for a Mamba's boost! Worth having a look at least. Really enjoying the series mate, you're pretty much reinvigorating my appreciation for the game, nice one!
6:35 if they don't have an A-graded distributor, then I advise you go and look for it. It will really come in handy with that lasers
Got it cmdr
I put frag cannons on my mamba and it has been melting stuff non stop. Really love this ship.
Since you're going to use that ship exclusively for combat, you might consider putting a "Kill Warrant Scanner" in one of your utility slots. See when you kill a wanted ship, you'll get a bounty for it from that system. But if you use a kill-warrant scanner on it before it dies, you'll also get any bounties it may have in any OTHER systems, too! You'll have to assign it to a fire group and hold a trigger down for a few seconds to use it, but it can make you some extra money.
Engineer it for fast scan too
I have been bounty hunting wrong my whole life then, thanks for the tip
I have it on the same group as gimbled lasers… while they take out Schiller, I get the scan
@@AtlasGaming4k This is the way
@@AtlasGaming4k Now there's an idea...
The Mamba can be engineered to run pretty cold, once you have those engineers available. I have a couple with low emissions power plants for sneaky AX operations, like reactivating settlements and collecting materials around Thargoid Titans. And it looks gorgeous with the Chromed or Midnight Black paint jobs you can get around the holidays, like a sexy sports car.
Felicity can do Lvl 3 Thrusters , you can chose Dirty Drag Drives to see even batter speed and manoeuvrability. She also can do Lvl1 Power Plant where you can do something to improve heat efficiency management.
got it, she is one of the only 3 engineers that I have unlocked, and the only one I am using, so I will have to pay her a visit soon
If your ship has heat issues, try using ammunition based weaponry like multi-cannons.
Mamba is one of the best looking ships in the game in my opinion.
I understand you find combat much more engaging and fun, but you should definately experience other aspects as well. Especially core mining and exploring outside the bubble.
While ramming, the mass of the ship is the primary factor that determines how much damage that it will deal, and how much it will take.
There's also engineering, where you can first "modify" almost every part of your ship, and when you reach maximum modification you can choose an additional experimental effect. This creates opportunity for extremely varied ship builds suitable for different purposes, and enables ships to operate outside of their intended roles. You can make an exploration mamba if you absolutely want to, for example. However, the material gathering for the engineering stuff people find "grindy". I personally do not. I enjoy it.
I love ED, and I am happy watch someone else get the joy out of it. Wish you best in your endavours.
o7 commander.
Thank you cmdr, yes you are absolutely correct, I have achieve my first milestone in combat gameplay and now I am going to start trying out different careers in Elite dangerous, and I enjoy working on all these seemingly grindy things, they are never grindy to me as well
When you pop a shield cell you have also pop a heat sink to compensate the heat from the shield cell use! The shield cell is to be used before the shields go down! Back in 2015 there was no Mamba so I went for the FDL. I still use today for combat!
I see what I did wrong there, thx!
10:13 if you want to get rid of the overheating i would advise you to instead put three multicannons, and not three pulses
He’s a LASER guy :)
lol..laser guy that I am, just don't want to use multi where they have limited ammo, but it wouldn't matter if I got overheat and cannot use those lasers
@@Foxyloxy.X You can synthesize ammunition in the right panel. This requires collecting resources using your SRV
When your weapons capacitor is low your ship will overheat much faster than if your weapons capacitor is almost full. You will want some kinetic damage also as it will help take down hulls, and they have less thermal load than laser weapons, your heat issue is from the beam lasers, if you swap them for a couple multi-cannons you will be more deadly. Really beams aren't that great until you can engineer them, stock they will just drain weapons capacitor and cook you alive lol
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I was about to say the same, also lasers with unengineered weapon distributor isn't ideal, might want to drop some of those lasers for kinetic weaponary 😁7
Good points, the main reason is kinetic weapons have limited ammo, but it wouldn't matter if my ship got cooked my by own lasers.
Yeah the ammo - I understand that. Its the draining of the power dist that is more of a problem, I would maybe swap a couple of the beams for pulse lasers,@@Foxyloxy.X beams do about 50% more damage than pulse, but beams also use about 6 times more of power distributor, so its a balancing act, the extra % damage is useless if the beams aren't firing due to depleted power distributor.
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@@Foxyloxy.X ayee truee, me personally is an endurance build maniac my self, but sadly without engineering stuff will be harder to utilize if is focused on 1 way offensive, balanced offensive is needed until we are familiar with engineering and all those long travel we gonna do, I remember with my keelback back then, left hard point used for lasers, and right side for MCs, also my beloved AI crew, good times.. get DBX as our taxi ship, she can carry class 2 and 3 and a pretty good grasshopper :D
Keep up the videos good Sir, can't wait for more story!
Mamba ALL the way!
you've already got the Python which is an excellent combat ship and the crate I do love that huge though
Try an Imperial Eagle. So much fun & fast. It’s my fav ship for on foot missions.
Btw, the Viper MkIII is a speed monster - in a straight line 😂
Will try both ships
A few things: Heat is better dissipated with more PIPS to weapons. Also, using all lasers is hard to maintain without engineering. You might add multi-cannons or frag cannons into the mix. Balance is key! Last thing Shield banks only work when the shields are still on. Sort of a battery recharge. If you shields are down, the banks do nothing. Good job using heat sinks with the banks.
I have both and the Krait mk 2 and the Chieftain. Love them all.
I have yet to try the alliance ships, but I heard good things about them.
Shield Cell Bank recovers shields, but it won't reboot them if they're down.
To deal with the heat, try gimballed multis in the size 4, 1, 1 slots and beam lasers in the 2 x 3 slots.
You can also try frags/plasmas.
thx for those suggestions
Or get a ferdelance with 4 rail guns and one 4 laser with thermal vent
Glad you're liking the Mamba, it's a fun ship. To clear something up though, whoever told you that each weapon class is worth two of the previous class is just wrong. If you look it up, a C3 gimballed multi-cannon literally does ELEVEN TIMES more damage than a C2. Higher class weapons also usually have higher ranges and ammo capacity.
Also, if you think the Mamba is fast, you should try engineering your Krait MK2's engines. Mine has a boost speed of 530m/s with it's full combat loadout. Or you could engineer the Mamba, it could probably go even faster since it has a higher base speed. Fly whatever feels fun to you BUT ENGINEER THOSE ENGINES!
I need to find that comment, but thanks for clearing that up about the size and weapon damage.
Sexiest ship in the game - love my Mamba!
Ya not meta but yes to great looking
A trick for you, when they deploy chaff and you loose the gamble untaarget and blind fire! Since your using beams and pulse they are basically hit scan and you can still blind fire on them keep the dps up then retarget once chaff is off!! Makes me wanna try the mamba. I'm a FDL pilot though lol
Nice trick, thx!
Of these two, I would choose FDL, but Mamba is also okay) But it's better not to listen to those who say that medium ships are better in battle than large ones. Of those ships that are suitable for combat, none are better. It doesn't matter if it's small, large or medium.
It all depends on the pilot and what class of ship suits him best. And of course, it is not unimportant to be able to choose the right assembly for yourself.
Someone just knows how to monivrate divinely and hang on the tail of anyone. Someone is a natural sniper, can perfectly keep his distance and hit the target without any problems even at a great distance. And someone has iron nerves and he can make the enemy nervous with his calm, polished movements, even when the battle is not going in his favor.
I'm all about the fact that it's better to figure out what exactly you really like. Because engineering is your next step in progress, and it's much harder than making money. Trying to improve every ship will take forever. Therefore, you will have to choose, and it is better to know what you want instead of listening to others and then regret it. Because people undeniably figured out what is better and what is worse. But each of them figured it out for themselves, and what is good for them is not necessarily good for others.
I, too, have figured out a lot of things in my 9 years of playing, which is why I am in no hurry to give specific advice to beginners :)
You always put things into proper perspective, and I've learned a lot from them, and it is true indeed to figure out what ship fits you and what style you want for combat or for other career you choose, it is good to listen to advices, but eventually it comes down to what will make you enjoy the gameplay more. Thank you cmdr o7
@@Foxyloxy.X Thank you😄 I hope this is really useful and does not bother. I just sometimes reread my comments and feel like a babbling old man. 😅
But I really mean it with the best of intentions. Elite is not an ordinary MMORPG which the only one way to the only one true victorious setup. That's why it's beautiful. For anyone there is a combination of tools and engineer's for them, which will allow you to implement almost any idea, and it will work.)))
9:30 yeah, when you put so many lasers - then every single ship will overheat. Even Diamondbacks have their limits, and they are the best at heat management in the entire game.
It's dolphin, not DbX.
@@kempo79 it's possible, haven't flown a dolphin yet
Ok, will try using both of those ship for combat to test them out
Or just switch to burst lasers. 20% less dps but 70% less heat generated. Or just go straight to railguns as I know you will end up here in the end 😀
@@Foxyloxy.X dolphin isn't good for combat (DbX isn't great either) - it's a passenger/exploration/taxi ship. It's just that dolphin has the best heat management in the game - you can literally start FSD next to the star and you will not overheat.
I chose the Mamba. I love the speed and look.
My only real gripe has been finding a weapon combination I enjoy.
Switch the huge hard point to a multi cannon and engineer beam lasers efficient wuth thermal vent effect to solve overheating. You will also kill targets faster. A small multi csnnon engineered wuth corrosive rounds enables all your weapons to do more danage to hull.
Engineering is a time investment but the oay off is big. The Mamba will boost way over 600m/s if you get professor Palin to engibeer your tgrusters with grade 5 dirty tuning plus drag effect.
Got it cmdr, will have to start engineering soon with no excuse
6:15 for combat ship use military composite. Much more tankier, more health with the flaw being you're less resistant to that damage. But overall it's better if you want to use the ship in combat.
Got it thx, and they are very very very expensive
@@Foxyloxy.X kinetic resistant armor is better IF you compensate its drawbacks with proper engineering, otherwise use military armor, like the cmdr said.
Mamba... My favourite combat ship. And the sexiest ship in élite. Engineer It and nothing can catch It. Mine boost to 615m/s in a full combat fit with 2200mj of biwave fast charge shield. Which weapons? Frag cannons. Boost, pass shooting a barrage of frags... Enemy explodes 4km away of you. The fer de lance is also awesome, and is more manuverable, but the mamba just have soul
Both ships have pros and cons, but the FDL wins it for me though it takes practice to get that huge hardpoint into play as it is placed on the underside of the ship and a bit of practice with FA on/off can compensate that horrid pitch lag/dead zone the FDL has. Mine is an all multicannon build with a rapid fire mod on the huge hardpoint and can fire forever without overheating even without full pips into weapons.
multi-cannons and some engineering and the mamba is a weapon..
Look into engineering at least one 1a Beam laser with Long Range + Thermal Vent. It will dump heat from your ship into the beam when you hit, and will allow you to keep your heat at manageable levels when firing continuously. You will likely need to ugrade your distribuytor and power plant as well to make this better. If you engineer your power plant with Armored it will have much better heat dissipation as well.
Most of my combat ships have armoured power plants and LR/TV beams. They're great for keeping you cool, pretty much removing the need for heat sinks. My Krait can quite often get an enemy's shields down before I'm even within their range, and then hit them with the big overcharged multicannons.
Got it cmdr, will start to look into those engineering
Ya that ^^ also add corrosion engineering to a single multi canon as well for buff and if you have 3 lasers run 1 thermal vent and 2 thermal conduits to overheat the other player.
the overheat problem is the beam lases because they are constant, pulse lases should not overheat, you can try the burst laser for some balance between damage and heat
I tired the burst laser, I love them, thx for the tips
If i can advise you something: I thought about it for a long time, and I think it's finally time for you to get into engineering your ships and modules. It's not much you can do nowadays without proper engineering, and you had eaten a pretty big chunk of it already
I agree, he Will be amazed with how much a ship can improve with just a full Grade 3 engineering
Yes cmdrs, engineering is exactly what I plan to do next now that I finally got my '"Bunny Bus", I can travel far to gather materials and start the true beauty of ED.
I'd say the Mamba is not really the ideal platform for lasers. Needs something that runs a bit cooler. A common weapon for the Mamba are frag cannons.
And if you want a manoeuvrable medium combat ship, look no further than the Chieftain.
I've heard good thing about the Chieftain, will try that ship later, thx!
I chose both! :)
The FDL was a dog of a ship back in the early days of elite , but had tons of boost done over time , as you can see still see it in the powerplant , as its a smaller one than the actual size of the power plant slot , its armour hardness got boosted , its heat management got boosted as well. And became the most hated ship in elite as griefers used it . Personaly i hate this ship , the mamba is fast but lacking something .
3:35 yes, that are my words. I think I said that there, but 2 medium hardpoint deal a bit more damage than 1 large (that's also the deal with other hardpoint classes) So when it comes to firepower mamba and lance are equal.
Haven't said that. Sorry, my fault. But this ships are equall to each other
The mamba has overall better amor piercing valué, which gives It a sligth Edge vs large ships
The fastest big ship is Imperial Cutter, up to 500m/s plus with correct modification without sacrificing too much hit point and fire power.
500m/s for a huge ship like that is awesome.
Ok I admit it this video was a surprise :) see you out there in the black Cmdr Foxy . o7
Thank cmdr, Gregor, see you in the void o7
Since you prefer lasers, you should engineer a beam laser with an experimental mod, that when it hits its target, transfers your heat into the opponent’s ship.
And engineer the thrusters. Dirty drives (more heat) or clean drives (lower speed bonus, but less heat).
@@raymobula but if he misses his target it overheats even faster, keep that in mind.
Got it will start to look into those engineering
@@kempo79 I know. And yes, good reminder. I have a turrets with this mod.
i wonder if anyone showed you the FSD booster as of yet? yeah it is one of the primary grinds everyone should do for extra jump range on every ship you buy. if you want more info look up Guardian FSD Booster you will et all the info in a short video of what this optional mod is. hint hint "YOU WANT THIS FSD BOOSTER"
I don't know what it is yet, but will do some research and find out, thx cmdr
Anaconda for killing Python for mining. Done
Good choice and now you are elite you can go to shinrarta Dezhra and everything is their and cheaper
Yes indeed, just visited Jameson for the first time and love that place
If you add at least 3 beam lasers to your Mamba, engineer them to be Efficient (with Thermal Vent), you'll make your Mamba's heat problems your target's problem.
nice!
No never efficient for vent. That limits thermal vent effectiveness. The heat transfer of vent is tied to the heat level the laser can generate. Use long range 2 for optimal thermal vent combo.
@@AtlasGaming4k While you may be correct, I find that my highly engineered efficient beams slowly deplete my capacitor (at 4 pips) and the thermal vent cools my ship nicely (to the point that my canopy starts frosting up).
Krait Mark II is better than BOTH for Combat... and if you don't care about having a fighter with you then the Krait Phantom is great too with Military Compartments...
Your power plant can only power so many energy weapons so I like to include some Multi-Cannons for extra firepower.. I have them upgraded with extra ammo capacity and use turreted ones on my AFK Type-10 ship without running out of ammo before finishing my missions(20 at a time). Too many energy weapons can overheat, keep your weapon pips low to prevent overheating..
Felicity Farseer offers "Enhanced" thrusters that work great on Viper Mk. III boosting my ship to 730m/s... If you strip it down & optimize you can push 900m/s
heat can go up to 250% before doing damage, in fact you have to do this to burn off Caustic Damage from Thargoids...
Measure medium ships to medium ships like Krait Mk. II and take them to high threat missions to compare... ALSO novice fighters don't take much of your XP and as you train they cost least!
Thank you cmdr, gonna have to pay Madam's Farseer a visit soon
@@Foxyloxy.X If you get a chance, check out "Mitterand Hollow".. Trust Me, it's fun!
oh hey, something to watch for with AFK ship is fuel running out.. another reason I put multi-cannon on my Type-10. For energy weapons I only have 2 grade 3 beam laser turrets and 1 burst laser gimballed grade 1 to engage targets when monitoring AFK ship.. all grade 2 spots are Multi-Cannon with Oversize & extra ammo. With the gimballed burst laser I use turreted multi-cannon in grade 1 spots & that 1 multi i put corrosive shell experimental upgrade @ engineers with extra ammo & works great.. but watch the fuel, your AFK ship runs out of fuel so watch that because energy weapons use a lot of .. energy.. 8D I get 2 full days with multi cannon(extra ammo & oversized) for in close & many "wing" missions... 18 hours I get with all beam laser@@Foxyloxy.X
Cutter is a great AFK ship too with the weapon spread. grade 2 is beam laser turreted & all grade 3 spots Multi-Cannon.. these are set-ups that work for me.. they may work for you too...
8D 🤖
Make beam laser to vent heat. You will need 2-3 later for thargoids any way.
Don't know how much engineering he's done so far.
I have not done any engineering except tier 2 fsd, but will start soon
@@Foxyloxy.X You should start it. "Everything G1" is just game changer. You will play another game when you start engineering. "Experimental effects" is sort of superpowers, those can be added to at least G1 upgrade. Different combinations of the effects will make different games for you.
9:54 told ya
😅I run 2 small multi cannons overcharged with corrosive experimental , 2 large beams effient thermal vent and 1 huge plasma effient plasma slug
You only need 1multicanon with corrosive effect and keep higher dps on the other. Also efficient defeats point of thermavent. Vent amount is limited by laser heat generation so with efficient you get 1 lasers worth of vent from 2 minimizing cooling effect for your plasma huge gun
If you still haven't watched the ship reviews by Hawks gaming.. please do so directly.. they're funny and informative. Just do it.. Nice roll cage on the Corvette and colors.. go with the FD. I'm not going to watch the whole video. No time for that. I got a Beach to go to... Man, I love Hawaii 🌺🌞🥰🪐
For this game, I try not to look at any other youtube until way later, because I want to explore everything on my own and keep my video genuine as best as I can, even making a lot of mistakes in the beginning. Enjoy the beach!
if you be able to engi beam lasers with heat-vent effect you could dumping your heat to enemy. Just for idea XD. GL HF and fly dangerous Cmdr O7
5:59 you had propably know that, but i'm going to write it anyway. You're going to overheat, really REALLY fast. Either that or your power distributor will just die immadietely after pressing the trigger for more that three seconds.
yep
Heat damage is overrated. After a massive nerf, running hot isn’t as dangerous anymore than it used to be.
If u engineer this ship with "armoured" power plant and "charge" power distributor you will have no more heat problems
, not to mention the engines with "dirty drives" . lol
Fer-de-lance or Mamba? Yes...
good answer
Krait mk2 is all I have to say.
you really limiting your efficacy now with your materials and you can apply effects to all those weapons if you get the engineer unlocked particularly efficiency settings on those lasers. Burst lasers rather than beams will help and a huge ballistic weapon does a lot of damage once Shields come down
Ferdelance is much better. Better gun combo better turning better pvp
I've heard good things about that ship, will have to try it sometimes before I can say I made the right choice. Thx cmdr!
Oh yeah - and don't really look what does it says in the shipyard when you buy ship - there's a lot of stuff that's just straight up a lie.
I mean yeah, you can read it for fun, but don't allow it to change your mind when you buy a ship.
Great example is mamba - yes, it is fast. But there are a lot of other ships that are equal or faster
You are absolutely right, I will try the FDL sometime later, and probably will have a better idea what is the combat ship I truly like
Ya he isn’t lying. Descriptions were written before ships were balanced years ago.
8 days qgo u had 1 million credits left. Today u have 3 billion!!! How?
Thanks for paying attention to my credits. Yes, the past two weeks, I had a goal of getting a carrier, so I sold a lot of my ships and worked hard on getting credits, and as for how I did it, my next video will mention briefly (at the end of my next video)
Plant scans seem to be the least time to grind Cartier right now :)
Haven't watched the whole video but... MAMBA. In GRAPHITE. "But FDL is meta" SHUT UP I SAID MAMBA
Nice. Never stop boosting out the mail slot. The silver skin you picked looks pretty nice too. I don't like the original red.
lol...will try the FDL sometime before I can really say I made the right choice
If he recommended the Mamba he's not your friend 😂
I have to test out all the combat ships to see which one I like most.
@@Foxyloxy.X I don't think it's going to be one favorite ship. By all means, try them all out. More than once. A ship you don't appreciate now because you prefer turrets or gimbals and need many of them because of the low damage output might be totally different later when you learned to fly and enjoy staying behind, above or below the target. Especially the Eagles, Viper, DBS, Vulture and Alliance Ships will transform in their experience with your skills building. And with full engineering. A long distance trip to Colonia will be different in an Anaconda, DBE or Krait Phantom. You will appreciate the DBEs ability to land on a handkerchief next to features you want to explore, or the Anacondas ability to carry the multi Limpit controller only comming in a class 7. The Phantoms ability to refuel much more quickly than the DBE and still don't fly like an oil tanker like the Anaconda.
For combat, I always come back to my Chieftain "Gunboat Diplomat". Here's the build, you will understand why sometime.
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@@Foxyloxy.X I don't think it's going to be one favorite ship. By all means, try them all out. More than once. A ship you don't appreciate now because you prefer turrets or gimbals and need many of them because of the low damage output might be totally different later when you learned to fly and enjoy staying behind, above or below the target. Especially the Eagles, Viper, DBS, Vulture and Alliance Ships will transform in their experience with your skills building. And with full engineering. A long distance trip to Colonia will be different in an Anaconda, DBE or Krait Phantom. You will appreciate the DBEs ability to land on a handkerchief next to features you want to explore, or the Anacondas ability to carry the multi Limpit controller only comming in a class 7. The Phantoms ability to refuel much more quickly than the DBE and still don't fly like an oil tanker like the Anaconda.
For combat, I always come back to my Chieftain "Gunboat Diplomat". Here's the build, you will understand why sometime. As per RUclips rules, you might need to piece it together.
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Typicaly bad solution. :) You need FDL.
Will have to try the FDL
4:26 haven't really knew about that. Yeah, another thing to add to the "evidence that Fdev isn't playing its own game" list
So you dont play the game ?
@@uhauhatube i'm not fdev, so yes, i play it.
Here i said i haven't knew that one ship has the "lightweight alloy" and the second has "lightweight *alloys* "
lol, indeed.