The strength is coming from acceleration of the forearm and the snap of the wrist around the moment of contact along with pinch grip (they hold the racket loosely and pinch hard on specific points on the rubber just at the moment of contact - it's a well timed sequence of clenching/tensing and relaxing of the whole body as opposed to amateurs who are always tight and stiff during a point). I also notice that on one of the strokes there is a slight forward momentum of the torso for added punch. Add to that - pro level equipment (chosen ply from many samples with the best wood for the most responsive piece and specially made rubber for the Chinese National team (CNT) (yes even Butterfly rubbers (Tenergy, Dignics) are apparently made different for CNT pros as compared to what is available in the mass market)) - and you have the power and explosiveness seen at the top CNT level
Spin and then power come from the wrist - combined with the movement ofc but if you dont have an explosive wrist your shots will have less power and spin- thats why some players even with less good tech. still have very strong shots (Pitchford,Pistej...etc.)
@@eduardonunez4488 why would you have 2 terms that mean the same thing? Drive is drive and topspin is topspin. Of course the ball will catch a little topspin when you drive it, but the term describes the technique you use, not the effect on the ball. Drive is hitting through the ball without much brush and topspin is hitting upwards, you hit much less through and more brushing.
@@elias3026 topspin is the effect, drive is the kind of hit. There's 2 types of drive: for lifting and for attacking. In both you have to brush, the difference comes with the placement of the first contact, 3:00 for lift, 12:00 for attacking, that touch gives the ball less or more push to go up or forwards.
@@eduardonunez4488 okay, there's no point in continuing this. You can call it whatever you fancy. But there's already an established terminology if you bother to Google it. Cheers
Really hard to do it like him.. Seems like he uses a lot of wirst and only little forearm.. Don't know how he can produce such power with only his wrist..I thought using mainly wirst ist only possible near the table.. But he ist not near in this video . Maybe someone can explain
It's not wrist only by any means. The principle is similar to hitting a punch. If you watch Ma Long's backhand back in the day he used to do a big swing starting from his side and he would finish to the right of his side because of momentum and inertia. The game has evolved since then. People are playing closer to the table, you have less time so the counter topspin needs to be more compact. Ma Long has changed his technique since then as well. Two big things. He's not producing that force himself alone. If he were to kill that ball he'd use a bigger motion with a larger swing - look at the timing. He's taking the ball on the rise, borrowing his opponent's speed. In the old days they would wait for the ball to drop, losing a lot of speed then they would hit it hard. It's very inefficient and exhausting for no real reason, although it looks cool. Second, he's using his body to launch his hand forward - so it's not from side to side like in the old days, but more like punching. FZD, Ma Long and many others are using this modern approach especially because it's faster to switch from backhand for forehand. Try this at home yourself: you have your hand completely relaxed as it to drop your bat and you launch your forearm forward as if to punch someone in the face. At the end of the motion you'd have to tighten your grip so you don't get it flying all over the training hall - that's what's producing tha whipping motion. You contract your wrist by tightening the grip and that's the last thing you contract. By that time your forearm is already contracted and you transfer all that force into the ball. You need a stable foundation to launch your arm forward - he pushes the ground behind him (then comes back as recovery, back and forth), as you extend your eblow forward (no to the side) you lock it in, your wrist is relaxed and it lags behind, then you tighten your grip the magic happens - the head of the bat has tremendous speed and tadaaa. You need a shit ton of practice to make it consistent but it's fun. They've probably discovered this by fooling around, just like with the backhand flick technique. Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@youtubemanager5794 maan. this is excellent. i need to go through this more than one time to completely grasp what you mean. but i can follow you. would be nice if you could answer some questions on this after I've gone through it mentally and in front of a mirror at home 😅.. Especially the amount by which the pad and the wrist is taken back in the backswing. i mean the position of the wrist with respect to the elbow at the end of the backswing, right before initiating the force and the swing forward.. is it behind the elbow? or a bit forward..this is important to think of because of affects the timing and the amount of power you can transmit to the ball I think..so the question is also how much forearm ist involved..thanks a lot Edit: just tested it (only wrist positioning). i think the head of the racket can be at max leveled with the elbow at its position at the end of the backswing. wirst ist cocked in..wirst itself is a bit infront of the elbow level....maybe you can test it and let me know. thanks
@@zizo015 hmm with regards to the bat position relative to the arm - I've tired to play with this a little. I've tried to actively bend the wrist inwards so I have more head of the racket motion, but that defeats the purpose of relaxation - explosion cycle. You just have to find a comfortable neutral/ ready position and you start every shot from that position with the hand fully relaxed. If you have the wrist relaxed it will lag back once you initiate the arm movement without you having to think about it. So it's relaxed, explosive contraction when you're about to touch the ball then relaxed again while you retract your arm back to that intial ready position. The tricky part for me was always the recovery. It's an amazing shot once you learn it, but it's even more impressive to recover in time to do it again and again for 10-15 times haha
@@zizo015 I usually keep my eblow quite far in front, just like FZD (away from the body) so I have space to go back and forth. How much forearm... For me is triceps first, then forearm and it depends on if it's a killer or not. In this video FZD is taking it really soft maybe 50-60% of contraction power. The harder and faster you contract your forearm, the faster the ball goes but you lose precision and it's harder to time it perfectly. If you do it right you shouldn't use full power and the ball goes fast like crazy. Even for killers is quite risky to use full power (that involves tightening the bat to the max - the stiffer you hold the bat, the lesser force is lost in flexion, so more power is transmitted into the ball). Flexion = safety, forgiveness. That's why players like flexible bats. You can more your bat more 'flexbile' or 'stiffer' by simply relaxing or tightening your grip. Full power= tight grip, stiffness, less forgiveness from flexion. You need perfect timing to put that on the table. And hit the ball on the rise almost at the top of the bounce. Again, this is less about you producing the power and more about borrowing your opponent's by taking the ball on the rise. Harimoto when he was a kid did it to perfection. He defeated Zhang jike with that and flat hits.
@@youtubemanager5794 Many thanks.But what about the core rotation? you can either just pull forward from the ground in an almost pure straight-forward motion to the ball , with hip line parallel to the table line..or you use core rotation a bit for accelerating the arm and the pad forward to the ball, of course also initiated from the ground..in this version you turn your hip line a bit to the left...or the third option is forcing swing from the right hip/shoulder by first taking both back in the backswing and then moving them forward to ball ( I think Ma long does this one)..Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge
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He just knows how to make full use of the combined strength of his waist and legs.
It doesn't even look like he's using the waist, that's what I don't understand, where is his power coming from
Looks like the strength of his shot comes from the backswing, forearm and wrist combination.
@@kioka2 its legs my friend
The strength is coming from acceleration of the forearm and the snap of the wrist around the moment of contact along with pinch grip (they hold the racket loosely and pinch hard on specific points on the rubber just at the moment of contact - it's a well timed sequence of clenching/tensing and relaxing of the whole body as opposed to amateurs who are always tight and stiff during a point). I also notice that on one of the strokes there is a slight forward momentum of the torso for added punch. Add to that - pro level equipment (chosen ply from many samples with the best wood for the most responsive piece and specially made rubber for the Chinese National team (CNT) (yes even Butterfly rubbers (Tenergy, Dignics) are apparently made different for CNT pros as compared to what is available in the mass market)) - and you have the power and explosiveness seen at the top CNT level
Spin and then power come from the wrist - combined with the movement ofc but if you dont have an explosive wrist your shots will have less power and spin- thats why some players even with less good tech. still have very strong shots (Pitchford,Pistej...etc.)
A little bit of shoulder and then most of it from elbow & wrist 🙌
I love it! 🔥🔥🔥
Bro is powerful
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Bahu...siku...dan pergelangan tangan bergerak dengan sangat stabil.
amazing...😭👍👍
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Жаке лучший!!!
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That is backhand loop not drive
You better not fkn miss 👀
That's 100% topspin, not drive. But yeah, beautiful
drive is pure topspin
@@eduardonunez4488 why would you have 2 terms that mean the same thing?
Drive is drive and topspin is topspin. Of course the ball will catch a little topspin when you drive it, but the term describes the technique you use, not the effect on the ball. Drive is hitting through the ball without much brush and topspin is hitting upwards, you hit much less through and more brushing.
@@elias3026 topspin is the effect, drive is the kind of hit. There's 2 types of drive: for lifting and for attacking. In both you have to brush, the difference comes with the placement of the first contact, 3:00 for lift, 12:00 for attacking, that touch gives the ball less or more push to go up or forwards.
@@eduardonunez4488 okay, there's no point in continuing this. You can call it whatever you fancy. But there's already an established terminology if you bother to Google it.
Cheers
@@elias3026 ok? haha
Drive?
What do you think guys, in percentage how much wirst and how much forearm is he using here?
100% wrist
50/50
Are u sure that’s a drive and not a topspin
Such a little gesture and lots of power. How? Just CNT stuff…
wrist movement and amazing grip on his racket
The wrist suddenly exerted force and stopped, similar to the inch fist in Wing Chun
Because he uses all backswing and zero 'follow-through.' After touching the ball there is nothing else to do- the stroke is over.
Isn't it a topspin.
Drive is no spin hitting
very good blocking from his training partner
cos It was Ma long on the other side😅
Really hard to do it like him.. Seems like he uses a lot of wirst and only little forearm.. Don't know how he can produce such power with only his wrist..I thought using mainly wirst ist only possible near the table.. But he ist not near in this video
. Maybe someone can explain
It's not wrist only by any means. The principle is similar to hitting a punch. If you watch Ma Long's backhand back in the day he used to do a big swing starting from his side and he would finish to the right of his side because of momentum and inertia. The game has evolved since then. People are playing closer to the table, you have less time so the counter topspin needs to be more compact. Ma Long has changed his technique since then as well.
Two big things. He's not producing that force himself alone. If he were to kill that ball he'd use a bigger motion with a larger swing - look at the timing. He's taking the ball on the rise, borrowing his opponent's speed. In the old days they would wait for the ball to drop, losing a lot of speed then they would hit it hard. It's very inefficient and exhausting for no real reason, although it looks cool.
Second, he's using his body to launch his hand forward - so it's not from side to side like in the old days, but more like punching.
FZD, Ma Long and many others are using this modern approach especially because it's faster to switch from backhand for forehand. Try this at home yourself: you have your hand completely relaxed as it to drop your bat and you launch your forearm forward as if to punch someone in the face. At the end of the motion you'd have to tighten your grip so you don't get it flying all over the training hall - that's what's producing tha whipping motion. You contract your wrist by tightening the grip and that's the last thing you contract. By that time your forearm is already contracted and you transfer all that force into the ball.
You need a stable foundation to launch your arm forward - he pushes the ground behind him (then comes back as recovery, back and forth), as you extend your eblow forward (no to the side) you lock it in, your wrist is relaxed and it lags behind, then you tighten your grip the magic happens - the head of the bat has tremendous speed and tadaaa. You need a shit ton of practice to make it consistent but it's fun. They've probably discovered this by fooling around, just like with the backhand flick technique.
Hope this helps. Cheers!
@@youtubemanager5794 maan. this is excellent. i need to go through this more than one time to completely grasp what you mean. but i can follow you. would be nice if you could answer some questions on this after I've gone through it mentally and in front of a mirror at home 😅.. Especially the amount by which the pad and the wrist is taken back in the backswing. i mean the position of the wrist with respect to the elbow at the end of the backswing, right before initiating the force and the swing forward.. is it behind the elbow? or a bit forward..this is important to think of because of affects the timing and the amount of power you can transmit to the ball I think..so the question is also how much forearm ist involved..thanks a lot
Edit: just tested it (only wrist positioning). i think the head of the racket can be at max leveled with the elbow at its position at the end of the backswing. wirst ist cocked in..wirst itself is a bit infront of the elbow level....maybe you can test it and let me know. thanks
@@zizo015 hmm with regards to the bat position relative to the arm - I've tired to play with this a little. I've tried to actively bend the wrist inwards so I have more head of the racket motion, but that defeats the purpose of relaxation - explosion cycle. You just have to find a comfortable neutral/ ready position and you start every shot from that position with the hand fully relaxed. If you have the wrist relaxed it will lag back once you initiate the arm movement without you having to think about it. So it's relaxed, explosive contraction when you're about to touch the ball then relaxed again while you retract your arm back to that intial ready position. The tricky part for me was always the recovery. It's an amazing shot once you learn it, but it's even more impressive to recover in time to do it again and again for 10-15 times haha
@@zizo015 I usually keep my eblow quite far in front, just like FZD (away from the body) so I have space to go back and forth.
How much forearm... For me is triceps first, then forearm and it depends on if it's a killer or not. In this video FZD is taking it really soft maybe 50-60% of contraction power. The harder and faster you contract your forearm, the faster the ball goes but you lose precision and it's harder to time it perfectly. If you do it right you shouldn't use full power and the ball goes fast like crazy. Even for killers is quite risky to use full power (that involves tightening the bat to the max - the stiffer you hold the bat, the lesser force is lost in flexion, so more power is transmitted into the ball). Flexion = safety, forgiveness. That's why players like flexible bats. You can more your bat more 'flexbile' or 'stiffer' by simply relaxing or tightening your grip. Full power= tight grip, stiffness, less forgiveness from flexion. You need perfect timing to put that on the table. And hit the ball on the rise almost at the top of the bounce. Again, this is less about you producing the power and more about borrowing your opponent's by taking the ball on the rise. Harimoto when he was a kid did it to perfection. He defeated Zhang jike with that and flat hits.
@@youtubemanager5794 Many thanks.But what about the core rotation? you can either just pull forward from the ground in an almost pure straight-forward motion to the ball , with hip line parallel to the table line..or you use core rotation a bit for accelerating the arm and the pad forward to the ball, of course also initiated from the ground..in this version you turn your hip line a bit to the left...or the third option is forcing swing from the right hip/shoulder by first taking both back in the backswing and then moving them forward to ball ( I think Ma long does this one)..Thanks a lot for sharing your knowledge
What is his blade made of ?
Wood
ビスカリアブレードインフィニティグリップ。今はFZD ALC