@@pony5298 It's not fair any at all price, low-end Gen 12 vs Hi-end Gen 7 but every benchmark comparision is really important and reasonable to find a better way for a budget gaming pc upgrade guide.
for the last few years I have been stuck with a core 2 quad and a CPU like an i7 6th or 7th gen would have been a dream upgrade to me but then Amd woke up the competition and i ended up with a 10th gen i5 with more cores and threads as an upgrade for an unimaginable price, it's awesome seeing a modern i3 outperforming what was once a high end chip while being cheap and efficient.. I hope the same goes for graphics cards
bro! I feel EXACTLY the same. I was planning to upgrade, and then amd came out with amazing competition. I considered them but decided to get the i5 13600. haha. what an insane cpu, who wouldve imagined an i5 with freaking 14 cores xDDD
Sort of.... on a cheap motherboard after PL2 expired, sure. On better boards you could sidestep the 90 second PL2 timelimit or use a program called Throttlestop. At stock the 7700k would clock to 4.4ghz on all cores, 4.5ghz with MCE enabled. I had a 7700k for a brief time, and I was able to push it to 5.2ghz at 1.375v, -2 AVX, after I delidded it. I could get it to 5.3ghz at 1.45v but that's too much juice for 24/7 use. That's way better than the 6700k I had beforehand that could do 4.7ghz safely.
So, I just swapped in a new gaming rig; i7-12700k/3080 to replace my old rig; i7-6700k/2080. This shows me what I strongly suspected; that the 6700k was already the bottleneck. It was a great chip though and lasted for seven years. The old rig is going to my brother who will learn how to game, now that we're both retired.
Yeah, progess is incredibly fast nowadays. Same with the gpus. Leaks suppose that we will have almost double the performance from this generation (RTX 3000series and RX 6000) to the next one (RTX 4000 series and RX 7000).
Lol, but total platform power usage is continuously higher with the newer platform with 12 gen i3. So i7 gen 7 consumes less power than i3 gen 12 in overall rating.
@@swagfromusa3052 Lol, are you high or what? This i7 7700k is already rated at higher TDP, plus it's overclocked to 5Ghz. Three times the power and 15% slower.
I wish you did this test with the 7700k running at 4.1Ghz so we can see the IPC difference. That's the most important thing when comparing different generations. There are plenty of 12th and 13th gen chips that also run at 5Ghz, but the raw performance at the same clock speed tells a more interesting story.
Many 7700K owners would have been enthusiasts who cranked it up to 5Ghz on a Z170 or Z270 motherboard, and some of them would have delidded the 7700K to help that along The i3 12100 is winning here not only because of the IPC difference, it is also due to the L2 and L3 cache size (12100 has 5M L2 and 12M L3 cache. 7700K has 1MB L2 and 8MB L3 cache)
@@SoranPryde yeah I realize that. But also not all 7700k can do 5Ghz+. I delidded mine and could only achieve a perfectly stable 4.8Ghz. Either way clock speed is a pretty irrelevant metric when comparing CPUs these days, IPC is king.
Still rocking the 7700K overclocked to 4.9 paired with a 1080TI. Still quite a powerfull beast for how old it is but it's definitely showing its age and this confirms my suspicion. Going to end up upgrading to one of the new cpus coming out later this year when I build a new rig.
Man i have a i7 8700k oc to 5 ghz and a 1080ti too, great combo and still going strong. Im interested to see how long i can keep going with it im 1440p
I don't think you'll gain much honestly, that CPU should be enough to keep up with the 1080 Ti already. I don't think it's worth buying a new motherboard and CPU.
From the first 6 games the performance/watt uplift is around 50% in the favor of the i3-12100F and being ~15% which is pretty impressive for an i3 if you would ask me.
Ipc is about 40%+ and overall 15% performance leads and power draw is only half as much, putting compatibility with older programs aside 12100 really is a huge improvement.
i had an i5 4430 with an overclocked 960 4gb and also 16 gb of ram. it ran like a charm. years later a friend gave me his i5 7500 so i bought a new motherboard and ram but little did i know that 4c/4t at that IPC was nothing to pair some more powerful gpu with. When i got a 2070 super some years after that, things ran slower than they used to because i had the worst cpu bottleneck of all times. I was very lucky a family member wanted to get rid of his 4790k motherboard combo so i took this and it was fine until i got my new cpu. So what i want to say is: i LOVE haswell cpu's and if they're paired with the right GPU they're awesome BUT. please consider to at least upgrade to a haswell or devils canyon CPU with 4c/8t if you want to upgrade your gpu to something more powerful.
@@mattix3705definitely bro ..will upgrade soon..I will go with Intel 13th gen i3 cpu.Also waiting for some price drops in gpu.I am looking forward for gtx 3050 once the price drops.The new i3 have 4 cores and 8 threads so it will suffice my requirement
@@onehuman6043 yeah the new i3 is very powerful and the 3050 is a nice 1080p card, a friend of mine bought one during the gpu crysis and it serves him really well.
Thank you, indicative test of games, you can continue to use 7700K, the new processor is slightly better in performance, but the financial costs of replacing are significant, so if you have a 7700k build, then you can continue to use it without switching to a 1700 socket.
true.... majority of games arent beyond 4c/8t just look at recommended pc requirements no more then i7 7700...but no one listens. my i5 7500 stiill does great with rx570 4gb i have no problem playing games on high settings lock at 60fps 1080p...smooth game play
Im just glad they made highly efficient cpus to compensate for the exponentially high electricity costs, especially in most European countries nowadays.
@@hyexenforomacedonians9251 Intel's i5s are already 125Watts I think for k models. I think AMD will release a factory overclocked 105Watt 7600X and 7600 or 7600G will be 65Watts.
7th gen was horrible, inefficient electricity guzzlers providing nothing more than previous gen, it was around 9th and 10th gen that intel really took off with perf/watt
Yep.... well mostly. The 7700k also has a slightly better iGPU, improved C-states for low power use and Sleep mode, and a better memory controller. I delidded and overclocked both on a Maximus VIII Hero. The 7700k could overclock 500mhz higher and it worked perfectly with my kit of G.Skill 16gb DDR4-3600 cl15 B-Die RAM in XMP.
@@KelvinKMS That's not too bad..... pretty good for a 6700k. What board do you have? I had a 6700k then I bought a used 7700k from some guy who works for Bungie. The 6700k could overclock to 4.7ghz safely and I could push it to 4.8ghz with somewhat reasonable vcore/voltage. The 7700k could do 5.2ghz safely (-2 AVX) and I could push it to 5.3ghz but it needed too much vcore. Both were delidded and then relidded with Conductonaut..... Stress test stable. Maximux 8 Hero board.
The RAM mhz (DDR5 MAYBE) is significantly high plus the overall system use is better with newer gen. May not be fair test but good to see new chips are more efficient and powerful than previous gen.
@@gersongaete1574 really but when I look closely the new gen has greatly used the system resource and it is possible through newer hardware So i believe that new ram does make a difference with becoming more efficient while using same amount of memory. There is one slogan that, "Old is gold but newer is always better".
5 years, i wonder what difference will be between i3 6100 and i7 870, probably thats will be i7 win due to 4C instad of 2C i3 but is that mean intel make better progres tan 5 years earlier ?
Не забывайте учитывать, что в этих тестах оперативная память для i3 DDR5 5200MHz, а для i7 DDR4 3600MHz, что так же влияет на рост производительности для i3
What alot of average gamers dont know is you can overclock the 12100F with a few motherboards and get the I3 on the same level as Ryzen 5800x and Intel 12700k.
i5-7600k vs i3-1200f please. This will show how poorly the 7th Gen i5's (or 8th/9th Gen i3's) with 4c/4t have aged. I got an absolute ton of miles out of my 2600k and 3770k. When I overclocked these chips, they could narrow the gap with the 6th and 7th Gen i7's and beat the same Gen i3's.
@@Viggen66 An overclocked HEDT Ivy Bridge-E CPU like the 4930k or the E5-1680 v2 can keep up with modern games, but the Mainstream processors like the 2600k and 3770k are on the brink of obsolescence. Even the overclocked Xeon falls short of an overclocked 8700k. I got lucky and bought an RTX 3070 a couple months after it was released. For fun I tried it with my 3770k, i5-6600k, Xeon 1680 v2, and my 8700k. The framerates got hammered with the 3770k and 6600k, even when both were overclocked. You can run most games and get an acceptable framerate with the 3770k and a card like the GTX 1070, but in some games it will struggle to get 45fps and the frametimes + framerate drops aren't great. Yes, Sandy Bridge might have been a big step forward for Intel, but Intel still managed to slowly claw away at improvements with IPC, clocks, Uncore/Cache speeds, and RAM. That and modern games are using more than 8 threads.
@@m8x425 my cpu is a xeon e3 1240 v2, I don't play games on my pc, I rather have then on consoles which all settings are tweaked for the specific hardware, for me I don't have any need to upgrade to newer hardware, only games I could play were some old school like oblivion which there are tons of mods to it, and other games like euro truck simulator 2 which doesn't have any port for console. But I need to buy a newer gpu, already tried euro truck and it rans horrible on my old ATI 7770
Shouldn't make much difference really. It's only ddr5 5200, barely above the standard 4800. It's not ddr 6400, the cas is 38 not the expensive 30 stuff. The ddr4 often has an edge with lower latencies in gaming. 2x16gb in ddr4 is more likely to be dual rank vs 2x16gb in ddr5 which isn't. Pretty sure dual rank ddr5 doesn't happen unless you're using 4x8gb or 2x32gb. So there's a chance the ddr4 has an even better chance against the ddr5 here.
I did, but he (Testing Games) and other youtubers have compared both DDR4-3600 and DDR5-5200 have compared these 2 speeds a MILLION TIMES already and the results are small. If you want to see an unfair comparison, then look for DDR4-3200 or 3600 against lowered cas latency DDR5-6000 or higher, and even then the results won't be that impressive for DDR5.
Recently upgrade my i7-7700k gtx 1070 bought al the way back in 2017 to a 5800x3d Rtx 3080. Night and Day difference. Im glad i waited. My advice is to at least skip one generation to truly see a huge leap. I hope i can upgrade when the RTX 5000 series comes out
"I hope i can upgrade when the RTX 5000 series comes out" why dude? games have been trash the last 5 years (covid no doubt a big facter) , the most popular games most gamers are playing these days are 5+ years old.
i7-7700k can still handle any game he throws at it as not only is his clocked to an incredible 5ghz but he also has hyper threading 4 cores/8 theads giving him plenty of cpu power even today.
@@kennymccormick6642 That’s still terrible, and DDR5 doesn’t respond well to primary timings very much. The secondary timings have way more impact on DDR5. If your latency isn’t below 50ns on DDR5 then DDR4 will always be faster. A 3600 Cl14 kit of DDR4 is faster than 6000 DDR5
@@kennymccormick6642 I have my 12100F overclocked to 5.1ghz and I have my ram overclocked to 6200mhz my CL is 34-34-34-40. And I have heavily tuned secondary timings and using (Aida 64) memory latency test my ram is at 42.1ns
Thats unfair to different CPU architectures, because some architectures are designed to run at higher frequencies out of the box. What the video creator actually should have done is run both CPUs at stock speed, because it is certainly unfair to compare a CPU running at boosted clock speeds against one which is running at stock.
@@spaceecks1793 Some CPU's are designed to run at higher frequencies, but to compare the "power" of architectures you need set same clock on both, if it possible to do (here it's possible, because we have CPU with K index)
@@8lackSun I see your point, but I think you're confusing all around power with IPC which is only a component of the total power of a cpu architecture. If we locked every cpu to a single clock speed to test how good they were, that would be like measuring all engines horsepower at a benchmark rpm instead of simply what the engine is capable of at its peak. Some engines are designed to run faster than other, and some engines like truck engines are designed to run at low rpms but make big horsepower.
Ну в данном случае мы и видим прирост около 5-10%,а DDR5 в большинстве программ и игр выдаёт какраз такой прирост(я ещё не разглядел на какой частоте она здесь работает).
Creo que la pequeña diferencia en fps viene dada por la velocidad de memoria ram, mas que el propio procesador en si, si limitas las ddr5 a 3600mhz posiblemente obtengas resultados muy parejos.
I have a computer with i5-7400. It uses almost 100% of the cpu while gaming and discord takes like 20% of that. The gpu is a rtx 2060 and im pretty sure the cpu is bottlenecking it. I get huge fps drops when playing games like NFS Unbound. Do you think an upgrade to i7-7700k would make a difference? I would think so even if its better to buy a new mobo and upgrade to a newer cpu.
Hi, could you test a cheap cpu + high end GPU vs Mid range CPU + mid range GPU : i5 12400F + RX6800 VS i5 12600K + RX6700xt. Both specs would cost the same, but one would probably get more fps. Thanks.
12600k isnt that much better, e-cores are useless for gamers (im a 12600k owner myself), clocks arent that much higher unless you overclock. 6800 setup will crush the 6700xt setup, cause cpus will perform very similarly
These game tests are misleading because old processors and new generation graphics cards are not compatible. Applications that require processor duty give more accurate results.
well, there is a matter of DDR5 vs DDR4 memory also here with big difference in how fast the cpu will work..... if you had put that i3 on a D4 mobo things would have been different for sure.
Pero compara el hecho que un i7 es el tope para placas de esa generación (1151 v1) y el i3 que rinde similar puede upgradear a un i9. El i7 7700k vale la pena si ya lo tienes comprado pero para armar de 0 es más conveniente irse por el i3
@@Spido68_the_spectator True. Good old Jayz2cents was being made fun of by other RUclipsrs after he was whining about not being able to run 64gb (4x16gb) of DDR-6000 in XMP.
@@zet7914 you are delusional and have very low standards. I got rid of my overclocked 4770k 3 years ago because there were games even then where it could not maintain 60 FPS and in several titles it was actually getting fully maxed out trying to push a 1080 TI. So not only was the CPU a bottleneck for my video card it was also becoming a playable bottleneck affecting the noticeable performance of some games.
@@robertsharp6072 low standard lol i have test all the cpu from I7 4770K to I7 6900K to I7 8700K to i7 9700K to I9 9900K to Ryzen 7 5800X to Ryzen 9 5900X to I5 12600K ... but yes if you don't know how to use a computer i'm delusional And my actual pc is 3090 i7 12700k
people raving about how the i3 is faster and more efficient .... yea after 5 years ? it better be.... and when you look at frame time graphs the i3 stutters much more than the i7 so if i had to pick id say i7 still better experience overall. That is sad seeing how the 7700k was a BAD chip from the start(bassically a copy of 6700k) :/ im getting only 5-10C higher temperatures on my i9 10850k 10c20t at @4.8ghz as i did on my (delidded) i7 7700k @4.8ghz. keep in mind thats 220watts compared to 90watts and on the same cooler.
Games :
Spider-Man - 0:21 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesSpiderManPC
Forza Horizon 5 - 1:13 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
Hitman 3 - 2:06 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 3:00 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesMFS20
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 3:57 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
BeamNG.drive - 5:06
God of War - 6:02 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGoWPC
PUBG - 6:57 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesPUBG
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 8:07 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
The Witcher 3 - 9:07 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesWitcher
System:
Windows 10 Pro
Core i3 12100F - bit.ly/3f1iVHx
MSI MPG Z690 Force - bit.ly/3GVTNi6
32Gb RAM DDR5 5200Mhz - bit.ly/3BOxlni
Intel i7 7700K OC 5.0GHz - bit.ly/34Vn8sv
Asus Strix Z270E - bit.ly/3lKWxV1
32Gb RAM DDR4 3600Mhz - bit.ly/35vyWko
GeForce RTX 3080 10GB - bit.ly/3hUikXp
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI
You have i3 12100F with RAM 5200Mhz and i7 7700K with RAM 3600MHz.Is this fair?
@@pony5298 It's not fair any at all price, low-end Gen 12 vs Hi-end Gen 7 but every benchmark comparision is really important and reasonable to find a better way for a budget gaming pc upgrade guide.
for the last few years I have been stuck with a core 2 quad and a CPU like an i7 6th or 7th gen would have been a dream upgrade to me but then Amd woke up the competition and i ended up with a 10th gen i5 with more cores and threads as an upgrade for an unimaginable price, it's awesome seeing a modern i3 outperforming what was once a high end chip while being cheap and efficient.. I hope the same goes for graphics cards
bro! I feel EXACTLY the same. I was planning to upgrade, and then amd came out with amazing competition. I considered them but decided to get the i5 13600. haha. what an insane cpu, who wouldve imagined an i5 with freaking 14 cores xDDD
nope nvidia not intel , and radeon can compete with their gpu segment always on the back side ahahha
I wish the same was for graphics cards 1080 and 1080ti are 6 years old and are better/ equal to a lot of new gpus.
You should mention that your 7700K is OC'd to 5 GHz from the default 4.2 GHz in the video title.
Yeah he should have left it at stock for a video like this.
Was looking for this comment. TY
Sort of.... on a cheap motherboard after PL2 expired, sure. On better boards you could sidestep the 90 second PL2 timelimit or use a program called Throttlestop. At stock the 7700k would clock to 4.4ghz on all cores, 4.5ghz with MCE enabled.
I had a 7700k for a brief time, and I was able to push it to 5.2ghz at 1.375v, -2 AVX, after I delidded it. I could get it to 5.3ghz at 1.45v but that's too much juice for 24/7 use. That's way better than the 6700k I had beforehand that could do 4.7ghz safely.
Default boost for the i7-7700k is 4.5ghz, the i5-7600k boost is 4.2ghz
Overclock the 12100F and ram like he did the 7700k and redo the video!!
So, I just swapped in a new gaming rig; i7-12700k/3080 to replace my old rig; i7-6700k/2080. This shows me what I strongly suspected; that the 6700k was already the bottleneck. It was a great chip though and lasted for seven years. The old rig is going to my brother who will learn how to game, now that we're both retired.
who would have thought that i3 will be 15 percent stronger than i7 in 5 years
most people, 5 years is a big difference
Actually an overclocked i7, the clock of 7700k is about 19% higher than default.
Yeah, progess is incredibly fast nowadays. Same with the gpus. Leaks suppose that we will have almost double the performance from this generation (RTX 3000series and RX 6000) to the next one (RTX 4000 series and RX 7000).
and at half the wattage
locked i5 is matching unlocked i9 in 2 years
The most impressive part is: The i3 beats the i7 with half the power usage.
Lol, but total platform power usage is continuously higher with the newer platform with 12 gen i3. So i7 gen 7 consumes less power than i3 gen 12 in overall rating.
@@swagfromusa3052 Lol, are you high or what? This i7 7700k is already rated at higher TDP, plus it's overclocked to 5Ghz. Three times the power and 15% slower.
@@SonHoang-qi9xq he fail in math. so let him do anything he want, make sure he's happy
the i3 uses drr5 ram clocked at 5200mhz...
@@honguyenkhanhduy u can always use ddr4
Btw ddr5 is more efficient
I own a I5 7500 with 16gb RAM and a RX550 4gb and I'm very happy having fun in 1024p.
Good Bro
I wish you did this test with the 7700k running at 4.1Ghz so we can see the IPC difference. That's the most important thing when comparing different generations. There are plenty of 12th and 13th gen chips that also run at 5Ghz, but the raw performance at the same clock speed tells a more interesting story.
Many 7700K owners would have been enthusiasts who cranked it up to 5Ghz on a Z170 or Z270 motherboard, and some of them would have delidded the 7700K to help that along
The i3 12100 is winning here not only because of the IPC difference, it is also due to the L2 and L3 cache size (12100 has 5M L2 and 12M L3 cache. 7700K has 1MB L2 and 8MB L3 cache)
@@SoranPryde yeah I realize that. But also not all 7700k can do 5Ghz+. I delidded mine and could only achieve a perfectly stable 4.8Ghz. Either way clock speed is a pretty irrelevant metric when comparing CPUs these days, IPC is king.
Still rocking the 7700K overclocked to 4.9 paired with a 1080TI. Still quite a powerfull beast for how old it is but it's definitely showing its age and this confirms my suspicion. Going to end up upgrading to one of the new cpus coming out later this year when I build a new rig.
Man i have a i7 8700k oc to 5 ghz and a 1080ti too, great combo and still going strong. Im interested to see how long i can keep going with it im 1440p
@@theplayerofus319 it’s no need to change 8700k. Just buy rtx 4000
@@gmdrytp6420 yeah, maybe i try to last another Generation, 1440p 60hz is still possible with my 1080ti.
First gen i5-750 here... Rx580-8G and a1440p monitor.
I don't think you'll gain much honestly, that CPU should be enough to keep up with the 1080 Ti already. I don't think it's worth buying a new motherboard and CPU.
From the first 6 games the performance/watt uplift is around 50% in the favor of the i3-12100F and being ~15% which is pretty impressive for an i3 if you would ask me.
Ipc is about 40%+ and overall 15% performance leads and power draw is only half as much, putting compatibility with older programs aside 12100 really is a huge improvement.
not only is it an improvement, but it literally costs less than $100
@@marc-uc1vg it's a good thing that AMD released ryzen, if not, we'll be stuck with quad core i7s until eternity
The i7 is OC'd, though. OCs always destroy performance per Watt.
still rocking with i5 4440,16gig of ram and gtx 1050ti... Never felt the need to upgrade the CPU.
Almost 10 years now and this still has life.
i had an i5 4430 with an overclocked 960 4gb and also 16 gb of ram. it ran like a charm. years later a friend gave me his i5 7500 so i bought a new motherboard and ram but little did i know that 4c/4t at that IPC was nothing to pair some more powerful gpu with. When i got a 2070 super some years after that, things ran slower than they used to because i had the worst cpu bottleneck of all times. I was very lucky a family member wanted to get rid of his 4790k motherboard combo so i took this and it was fine until i got my new cpu. So what i want to say is: i LOVE haswell cpu's and if they're paired with the right GPU they're awesome BUT. please consider to at least upgrade to a haswell or devils canyon CPU with 4c/8t if you want to upgrade your gpu to something more powerful.
@@mattix3705definitely bro ..will upgrade soon..I will go with Intel 13th gen i3 cpu.Also waiting for some price drops in gpu.I am looking forward for gtx 3050 once the price drops.The new i3 have 4 cores and 8 threads so it will suffice my requirement
@@onehuman6043 yeah the new i3 is very powerful and the 3050 is a nice 1080p card, a friend of mine bought one during the gpu crysis and it serves him really well.
poor thing
@@onehuman6043 some rumours says it will i3 13300 would have 10 cores 16 threads actually
Thank you, indicative test of games, you can continue to use 7700K, the new processor is slightly better in performance, but the financial costs of replacing are significant, so if you have a 7700k build, then you can continue to use it without switching to a 1700 socket.
it would cost you about 300$ for a 12th gen cpu, mobo and ram. its not much actually/
@@jpsatre There are cheaper options tho. And for a low end pc, the 7700k will do the job, if you do not mind paying a bit more each month
true.... majority of games arent beyond 4c/8t just look at recommended pc requirements no more then i7 7700...but no one listens. my i5 7500 stiill does great with rx570 4gb i have no problem playing games on high settings lock at 60fps 1080p...smooth game play
Will be interesting to see next years Meteor Lake 14100 with Intel 4 Node! 😃
Let 1300 series come furst
FYI: intel 4 is actually 7nm.
@@brahmasthaandipramana7591 and nm don't actually mean anything. TSMC 7nm ≠ Intel 7 ≠ Samsung 7nm.
Tbh meteor lake isn’t very exciting. It’s main purpose is low power high performance for laptops, but amd APUs will have it beaten by then
@@steph_on_yt NM matters more than anything, what are you talking about lol??
Don't forget about ram bus speed, there is about %5 difference between these two motherboard gens.
Im just glad they made highly efficient cpus to compensate for the exponentially high electricity costs, especially in most European countries nowadays.
"they made highly efficient cpus" so look for CPUs from AMD side then.
we don't have the same definition of efficiency
@@_OO-kl2fp i read Ryzen 7600x will be +105w TDP cpu...
so maybe intel again? :D
@@hyexenforomacedonians9251 tdp != efficiency
@@hyexenforomacedonians9251 Intel's i5s are already 125Watts I think for k models. I think AMD will release a factory overclocked 105Watt 7600X and 7600 or 7600G will be 65Watts.
7700K is just the 6700K with OC, and the 6700K was released in 2015
7th gen was horrible, inefficient electricity guzzlers providing nothing more than previous gen, it was around 9th and 10th gen that intel really took off with perf/watt
@@plasticelephant1969 7th gen and 11th gen are the worst gen for sure
Yep.... well mostly. The 7700k also has a slightly better iGPU, improved C-states for low power use and Sleep mode, and a better memory controller. I delidded and overclocked both on a Maximus VIII Hero. The 7700k could overclock 500mhz higher and it worked perfectly with my kit of G.Skill 16gb DDR4-3600 cl15 B-Die RAM in XMP.
@@m8x425 Yes my 6700K can be OC to 4800Mhz only.
@@KelvinKMS That's not too bad..... pretty good for a 6700k. What board do you have?
I
had a 6700k then I bought a used 7700k from some guy who works for Bungie.
The 6700k could overclock to 4.7ghz safely and I could push it to 4.8ghz with somewhat reasonable vcore/voltage. The 7700k could do 5.2ghz safely (-2 AVX) and I could push it to 5.3ghz but it needed too much vcore. Both were delidded and then relidded with Conductonaut..... Stress test stable. Maximux 8 Hero board.
The power draw on the 12100f is amazing
The i7 7700k was a real beast that time but i never overclocked it
2017 ' s worst buy though. No better than 6700K and replaced a few months later by 8700K. Many people felt robbed
Just a mere 4 cores CPU, 8700K was the real deal. 9700K was shit with only 8 threads.
@@Sims64340 still 8 cores. Can still give current GPUs a run for their money
@@Sims64340 9700k was good for gaming in 99% games he was the same performance than i9 9900K
@@Sims64340 Not really. The physical cores are better, than the virtual threads. ;) There are many tests about it on the internet. ;)
The RAM mhz (DDR5 MAYBE) is significantly high plus the overall system use is better with newer gen. May not be fair test but good to see new chips are more efficient and powerful than previous gen.
DDR5 makes no difference in games, at least not yet.
@@gersongaete1574 really but when I look closely the new gen has greatly used the system resource and it is possible through newer hardware So i believe that new ram does make a difference with becoming more efficient while using same amount of memory. There is one slogan that, "Old is gold but newer is always better".
@@gersongaete1574 DDR5 vs DDR4, I have no idea. 5200 MHz vs 3600 MHz, though? Huge difference.
@@notstarboard but over twice the latency. It's not so straightforward.
well the i7 is oced to 5ghz while the i3 maintain its clock at 4.1ghz
5 years, i wonder what difference will be between i3 6100 and i7 870, probably thats will be i7 win due to 4C instad of 2C i3 but is that mean intel make better progres tan 5 years earlier ?
Не забывайте учитывать, что в этих тестах оперативная память для i3 DDR5 5200MHz, а для i7 DDR4 3600MHz, что так же влияет на рост производительности для i3
Если у и3-12100ф был на матери Раптайт с тактовым генератором и разгоном до 5.2Ггрц то разница была б везде двукратная в пользу и3.
Да и кто будет ставить 12100 на зет мамку
@@user-yn4ll9og1j ... его нереально погнать
@@k3sgswagga Иди гугли B660M PG Riptide - ASRock и как разгоняют процессоры 12го поколения по ШЫНЕ!
@@user-yn4ll9og1j Хд шыне? может шине, умник, на б чипсетах гнать можно ток райзены, и никто дрыхлый 12100 на зет мамку не поставит
What alot of average gamers dont know is you can overclock the 12100F with a few motherboards and get the I3 on the same level as Ryzen 5800x and Intel 12700k.
the ram seems to be quite different. Surely that's making an impact. great video, thank you
to be fair, that RTX 3080 is bottlenecking the hell out of the i7-7700k. Put a GTX 1070, 1070ti, 1080 or 1080ti and the difference wont be that much
i5-7600k vs i3-1200f please.
This will show how poorly the 7th Gen i5's (or 8th/9th Gen i3's) with 4c/4t have aged.
I got an absolute ton of miles out of my 2600k and 3770k. When I overclocked these chips, they could narrow the gap with the 6th and 7th Gen i7's and beat the same Gen i3's.
Why do u need to upgrade since u own both beast cpu, sandy bridge was a revolutionary architecture
@@Viggen66 An overclocked HEDT Ivy Bridge-E CPU like the 4930k or the E5-1680 v2 can keep up with modern games, but the Mainstream processors like the 2600k and 3770k are on the brink of obsolescence. Even the overclocked Xeon falls short of an overclocked 8700k.
I got lucky and bought an RTX 3070 a couple months after it was released. For fun I tried it with my 3770k, i5-6600k, Xeon 1680 v2, and my 8700k. The framerates got hammered with the 3770k and 6600k, even when both were overclocked.
You can run most games and get an acceptable framerate with the 3770k and a card like the GTX 1070, but in some games it will struggle to get 45fps and the frametimes + framerate drops aren't great.
Yes, Sandy Bridge might have been a big step forward for Intel, but Intel still managed to slowly claw away at improvements with IPC, clocks, Uncore/Cache speeds, and RAM. That and modern games are using more than 8 threads.
@@m8x425 my cpu is a xeon e3 1240 v2, I don't play games on my pc, I rather have then on consoles which all settings are tweaked for the specific hardware, for me I don't have any need to upgrade to newer hardware, only games I could play were some old school like oblivion which there are tons of mods to it, and other games like euro truck simulator 2 which doesn't have any port for console. But I need to buy a newer gpu, already tried euro truck and it rans horrible on my old ATI 7770
I have i7-6700k with RX480 and its still okay in 2022 its overclocked to 4.4 GHz its almost same as the 7. gen i7
Ok in old games yes
@@Sims64340 Gta V runs very well
Owner with i7-6700: 😁
Did u guys notice that he has used ddr5 ram in i3 whereas ddr4 in i7?
Shouldn't make much difference really. It's only ddr5 5200, barely above the standard 4800. It's not ddr 6400, the cas is 38 not the expensive 30 stuff. The ddr4 often has an edge with lower latencies in gaming. 2x16gb in ddr4 is more likely to be dual rank vs 2x16gb in ddr5 which isn't. Pretty sure dual rank ddr5 doesn't happen unless you're using 4x8gb or 2x32gb. So there's a chance the ddr4 has an even better chance against the ddr5 here.
I did, but he (Testing Games) and other youtubers have compared both DDR4-3600 and DDR5-5200 have compared these 2 speeds a MILLION TIMES already and the results are small. If you want to see an unfair comparison, then look for DDR4-3200 or 3600 against lowered cas latency DDR5-6000 or higher, and even then the results won't be that impressive for DDR5.
Your test is biased as your RAM are not clocked the same. This def has an impact on FPS going from DDR4 for the 7700 to DDR5 for the 12100.
Yeah I just noticed that too! Thanks for pointing it out! It would be more accurate and interesting if he used the same exact ram
The i7 is also clocked to 5ghz, so which cpu has bias?
Aww man.. I wish you tested the i3 with a DDR4 instead of DDR5.
Recently upgrade my i7-7700k gtx 1070 bought al the way back in 2017 to a 5800x3d Rtx 3080. Night and Day difference. Im glad i waited. My advice is to at least skip one generation to truly see a huge leap. I hope i can upgrade when the RTX 5000 series comes out
"I hope i can upgrade when the RTX 5000 series comes out" why dude? games have been trash the last 5 years (covid no doubt a big facter) , the most popular games most gamers are playing these days are 5+ years old.
you're just wanting to upgrade for the sake of what?
I recently upgraded too but I picked the 12700k cause I got it new for only $300 it also has 10 cores 20 threads which is better.
i7-7700k can still handle any game he throws at it as not only is his clocked to an incredible 5ghz but he also has hyper threading 4 cores/8 theads giving him plenty of cpu power even today.
No watchdogs voids the test to many games where several years old which defeats the point of testing an old cpus for me.
The ram speed should've been the same cause ddr5 6000mhz ram gets 10fps avg. more than ddr4 4000mhz ram
no.. 6000mhz ram on a stock 12100f is way worse than 4000mhz ddr4 bro.. Intel is all about latency and 6000mhz ddr5 is terrible unless you tune it.
@@LegionGamingTV what if the CL latency is 28-34-34-89
@@kennymccormick6642 That’s still terrible, and DDR5 doesn’t respond well to primary timings very much. The secondary timings have way more impact on DDR5. If your latency isn’t below 50ns on DDR5 then DDR4 will always be faster. A 3600 Cl14 kit of DDR4 is faster than 6000 DDR5
@@kennymccormick6642 I have my 12100F overclocked to 5.1ghz and I have my ram overclocked to 6200mhz my CL is 34-34-34-40. And I have heavily tuned secondary timings and using (Aida 64) memory latency test my ram is at 42.1ns
@@LegionGamingTV 42.1 ns that's very high
most to performance gain is from higher cache
I think the different is not between the CPU but the RAM speed
Half the power draw. Nice
The 7700K is overclocked while the 12100F isn't, so it isn't really an apples to apples comparison when it comes to power consumption.
NEXT - i3 9100F vs G7400 - 3 Years Difference
Intel’s generation leap is no joke they really step up their game bc they love us
The i3 uses half (approx) watts to perform better than the i7 no doubt the IPC gains are better in the 12th gen
11th gen was also good,noobs couldn't figure out Bios settings.
Can you make a video of i3 12100 vs i7 9700k
never been a fair comparison
i7 12 gen vs i7 7 gen
bro which software do you use to show fps
and other stuff ?
DDR5 vs DDR4.
Algo similar pasó entre los fx 8000 y los ryzen 3 1000 y 2000 cuando salieron 😅
To show the real difference you must set the same frequency on both CPU's
Thats unfair to different CPU architectures, because some architectures are designed to run at higher frequencies out of the box. What the video creator actually should have done is run both CPUs at stock speed, because it is certainly unfair to compare a CPU running at boosted clock speeds against one which is running at stock.
@@spaceecks1793 Some CPU's are designed to run at higher frequencies, but to compare the "power" of architectures you need set same clock on both, if it possible to do (here it's possible, because we have CPU with K index)
@@8lackSun I see your point, but I think you're confusing all around power with IPC which is only a component of the total power of a cpu architecture. If we locked every cpu to a single clock speed to test how good they were, that would be like measuring all engines horsepower at a benchmark rpm instead of simply what the engine is capable of at its peak. Some engines are designed to run faster than other, and some engines like truck engines are designed to run at low rpms but make big horsepower.
@@spaceecks1793 From that point tester doing right seting max possible clock to each CPU and overclocking is acceptable
this i7 is 5ghz, it show how much single core core has improved over the years.
I cant wait to see Raptor Lake soon
Тут мы видим лишь разницу между DDR4 и DDR5.Nice work.
Ддр5 сырая. Во многих играх она даёт отрицательный прирост, в самом лучшем случае 5% положительный
Ещё и i7 разогнан до 5 Ггц
Ну в данном случае мы и видим прирост около 5-10%,а DDR5 в большинстве программ и игр выдаёт какраз такой прирост(я ещё не разглядел на какой частоте она здесь работает).
I am really surprised after watching beamng drive test in your video. Do it in every video 🙏
Creo que la pequeña diferencia en fps viene dada por la velocidad de memoria ram, mas que el propio procesador en si, si limitas las ddr5 a 3600mhz posiblemente obtengas resultados muy parejos.
hell, 7700k cost $400, and 12100f is $100
Queria muito ver esse comparativo! Thank you!
удивительно, что при разнице в параметрах всех компонентов, включая память и версию pciе, отставания почти нет.
Ну дак это одно и то же почти
Сделай тест на одинаковых частотах оперативной памяти, и что бы i7-7700k был в 4.1 частоты
@Xiaomi Redmi нет.
Honestly thought the bottle neck would be worse. It's 100% playable. Just the 6 core I3 absolutely smashes it at anything other than gaming.
I think you will need a RX7000 and RTX4000 series comparison, because I do not think they are using the full potential of the newest CPU.
no he doesnt, 12100 prob cant maximize cards higher than 3060ti
well for newest ryzen then agree
Только вот где автор нашел разницу в 60% между 12100 и 7700к? Непонятно
Results are shoking 🙂🙂🙂
Why did the 7700 look smoother in the first video with spiderman? Unless its RUclips doing some weird compression
True, the bobbing looked smoother
DDR5 5200MHz RAM IS ALSO HELPING THE I3 even more.
how many cores would the i12100f have if Ryzen didnt come out swinging with 8 cores.
They would still be trying to push 2 cores.
What’s your cpu cooler?
The 7700k is cold af
another 10 years and the i3 will have 6 cores 12 threads
maybe 10 cores 20 threads.
honestly for 129 euro the i3 12100F is not that bad! how much it costs in your country?
If AMD didn't come up with ryzen , we would still be paying $700 for 4C/8T with 14nm++++++++++++++++
I have a computer with i5-7400. It uses almost 100% of the cpu while gaming and discord takes like 20% of that. The gpu is a rtx 2060 and im pretty sure the cpu is bottlenecking it. I get huge fps drops when playing games like NFS Unbound. Do you think an upgrade to i7-7700k would make a difference? I would think so even if its better to buy a new mobo and upgrade to a newer cpu.
Upgrading to a new CPU would more benefitual
when comparing CPUs turn on Hairworks in witcher 3 its coded to run on cpu and not gpu thats why it tanks peoples fps
Hi, could you test a cheap cpu + high end GPU vs Mid range CPU + mid range GPU :
i5 12400F + RX6800 VS i5 12600K + RX6700xt.
Both specs would cost the same, but one would probably get more fps. Thanks.
12600k isnt that much better, e-cores are useless for gamers (im a 12600k owner myself), clocks arent that much higher unless you overclock. 6800 setup will crush the 6700xt setup, cause cpus will perform very similarly
LESS GOOO! WE GOT BEAMNG DRIVE!!
These game tests are misleading because old processors and new generation graphics cards are not compatible. Applications that require processor duty give more accurate results.
Who would imagine an i7 losing to an i3!
no big deal lad the speed is measured my the generation of the processor without a doubt i3 10th will be faster than a i7 6th gen
I3 12100 is eaqual to which 9th gen?
I7 12700k vs I7 7700k next.
If it wasnt for AMD, intel users would be stuck with 2% performance increase per generation.
Amazing advances
What is your overlay ?
why is the ram clock 1600 Mhz higher than the I7 7700K?
i think it's ddr5 on that system
Same builds compared but in 2k and 4k?
well, there is a matter of DDR5 vs DDR4 memory also here with big difference in how fast the cpu will work.....
if you had put that i3 on a D4 mobo things would have been different for sure.
That i3 processor is amazing with that 90 dollar price, best budget processor ever
A teenage goku and a newborn Frieza
I7 7700k OC a 5GHz y aún así no es capaz de superar al i3 12100f, brutal.
The i3 uses half (approx) watts to perform better than the i7
Pero compara el hecho que un i7 es el tope para placas de esa generación (1151 v1) y el i3 que rinde similar puede upgradear a un i9.
El i7 7700k vale la pena si ya lo tienes comprado pero para armar de 0 es más conveniente irse por el i3
how to your cpu more procent because i have gpu more procent than cpu what happens ?
But thanks i have found how to works it so this link real help for you ruclips.net/video/2Pauisfme-w/видео.html
Can you make a video for same but add i7 12th gen also with these 🙂
Тем временем я с i7 3770
phenom 9650
А теперь сравни xeon-5 2699v4 vs i5 12400f-ryzen 5600 x
*I DESPISED the 7700k = HOT TEMPS FOR NO REASON, WHAT SO EVER*
Could barely surf the net.
But in the title you dont put 7700 is oced to 5.0!!
I got the i3-12100 not the 12100f I can confirm I have the best i3 as of November 2022
Only the ramspeed squeezes out the couple more FPS.
Alder lake makes poor use of DDR5 (weakness in the memory controler)
@@Spido68_the_spectator True. Good old Jayz2cents was being made fun of by other RUclipsrs after he was whining about not being able to run 64gb (4x16gb) of DDR-6000 in XMP.
i have a 10105 build and it plays games great.
7700 k, z series mobo, 5! mhz overcklock....500 dollars, now i3 cost 70 dollars, thank you Ryzen! lol
Yep. Time for an upgrade
idk why I exepted more from the i3, I guess ipc apart it still just a 4c/8t cpu
Wow this Alder Lake i3 makes my 3770k + 1060 look like a dinosaur haha xD
Brother i31200f vs ryzen 5600g pr comparison banao na
that's not realistic scenario. Nobody will buy 3080 for such cpu, i think middle video card won't have such difference.
In other words if you got a 7700k you’re doin just fine!
If you have a low end GPU yes, if not RIP, unless you are playing at 4K or 8K
i have a 2060 and a I7 4770K on my second pc and it's sill doing super good , so a 7700K if you don't go with a 3070 or more you are ok
@@zet7914 you are delusional and have very low standards. I got rid of my overclocked 4770k 3 years ago because there were games even then where it could not maintain 60 FPS and in several titles it was actually getting fully maxed out trying to push a 1080 TI. So not only was the CPU a bottleneck for my video card it was also becoming a playable bottleneck affecting the noticeable performance of some games.
@@robertsharp6072 low standard lol i have test all the cpu from I7 4770K to I7 6900K to I7 8700K to i7 9700K to I9 9900K to Ryzen 7 5800X to Ryzen 9 5900X to I5 12600K ... but yes if you don't know how to use a computer i'm delusional
And my actual pc is 3090 i7 12700k
@@zet7914 post videos of some specs please. Need to see how many fps you're hitting
people raving about how the i3 is faster and more efficient .... yea after 5 years ? it better be.... and when you look at frame time graphs the i3 stutters much more than the i7 so if i had to pick id say i7 still better experience overall. That is sad seeing how the 7700k was a BAD chip from the start(bassically a copy of 6700k) :/ im getting only 5-10C higher temperatures on my i9 10850k 10c20t at @4.8ghz as i did on my (delidded) i7 7700k @4.8ghz. keep in mind thats 220watts compared to 90watts and on the same cooler.