🔴 FIRST LOOK REVIEW!! | Voigtlander 50mm f1.0 Nokton (Leica M)
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- PART1: New Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1.0 Review Leica M Mount (vs TTArtisan & Noctilux)
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The new Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1.0 Review - first look comparing the Voigtlander 50 f1 vs TTArtisan 50mm 0.95 and the Leica Noctulix 50mm f1 lens. Video also considers the Voigtlander Nokton 50mm 1.2, Voigtlander Nokton 75mm f1.5 and Voigtlander Nokton 50mm f1.1 + the Voigtlander Nokton 50 f1 vs Summilux 50mm f1.4 ASPH. Lens tested on the Leica SL camera + Leica CL and Lumix S5 video footage. Subscribe and turn on notifications so not to miss the real world testing follow up review. I will use the Leica M3 film camera and digital Leica cameras.
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I was delighted to see you’d got your hands on one of these. Great introduction and initial comparisons, always useful. I look forward to seeing it being used on a shoot.
Thanks Marcus, yes I’ve organised a trip especially so the video will come later in February 👍🏻
Great review and comparison of this lens. Looks like the Nokton 50mm f1.0 has a lot of character. Thanks Matt for this detailed review!
Thanks Lucy! Yes so far so good 😊
Great review! Thanks for these no-nonsense videos. Looks like a very nice lens indeed.
Thank you! See part 2 for real life example photos
Love the reviews! Please keep up the wonderful work! As much as you seem to enjoy the 58/1.4 II , would you prefer the just tested 50/1 over it?
Thanks Tim! Hard to compare as I use the 58 for F mount on film. Both can give great results! :)
Quite a bit of viewfinder blockage, but honestly much better than I thought it would be.
For the way I shoot size and weight are more important than lowlight, so I am happy with my f/2 lenses and Zeiss 50mm f/1.5.
This looks like an amazing balance of all the factors that go into lens design. Voigtlander is keeping up their great work!
Thanks Zach! Yes Voigtlander did a great job again 👍🏻🙂
oh my, you got it already! Thanks for sharing. The lens you are reviewing does look better than TTArt and Noctilux.
Thanks Ethan! Optically yes in terms of better controlled / ‘more perfect’
Very informative. Thanks!
Thanks Lugen!
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Nice, I think yours is the first video I've seen on this lens (other than that early german video with a severe lack of sample images). I think you got the lens weights mixed up in the video btw and you mention comparing at f/1.4 and f/1.2 (which is f/2).
Anyway, it seems to be a very nice lens, but I will stick with my Summilux ASPH. If I was in the market for a fast 50 though, I would probably still go for the Nokton 50mm f/1.2. More than fast enough and a bit more practical.
Thanks Renzsu and sorry for the small errors. If you want faster than the Lux I’d skip 1.2 as not much faster. The Lux is still brilliant so happy with that. For something less perfect wait forever the TTA 5095 video :)
Great infos, thanks! 👍👍
Thanks Yoann!
Thanks for sharing.
I was wondering if I'll switch, but after watching this video, I think I'll stick with my Summilux 50 Asph witch is definitely the optimum 50mm for a M camera, if not the best one.
Thanks Marc, yes love the Lux, I use for weddings wide open for the Leica look :)
I had been waiting for this review. I think this lens is my next purchase, to be used on my M3.
Thanks yes it was nice on the M3. I will get sample photos for the video next month 👍🏻
Great video Matt. I used to shoot the Nikon 50mm 1.12 wide open a lot on a FM3a. I had no problem nailing the photo through the generic Nikon viewfinder. If i get one of these and put it on the new M11 how many shots do you think i'll miss? Im not a fan of attachments as i tend to knock them off and prefer to shoots with what i have. Is it that critical to get the attachment cheers.
Hi, ah yes I have that 1.2 for Nikon film bodies and I like it. I’ve used the Noctilux for years on the M3,6,8,9,M240 with zero issues so you should be fine. See that video. 99% without EVF.
Hi Matt, the Noctilux f0.95 is very special, but it's also a damn liability walking around with it every day. I did this for quite a while but recently replaced it with the Voigtländer f1. As you say, it does a good 90% of what the Noctilux does and is much sharper wide open. Importantly, I feel a lot more comfortable walking around with it every day. I also have the incredible 50lux. I usually use 2 cameras, one film and one digital but both with 50mm lenses. This lens partners well with summilux and I have no preference which camera I use it on as it's great on both. I shoot mostly on the rangefinder too and was delighted to find that the Voigtländer is as accurate to focus as any of my Leica glass, wide open or otherwise.
Hi Rod thanks. Yes good move. The Nocti are too pricey to walk around with and the Voigtlander does a great job.
Matt, I'd love for you to try the Voigtlander 75mm 2.5 Color-Heliar! I recently picked one up and it's so tiny and quite affordable. Great video as always!
Thanks and ok thanks noted 👍🏻
Nice one Matt!
Cheers Freek!
Would love to see more Zeiss M mount lenses in your reviews in particular image quality comparisons with the corresponding Voightlanders.
Thanks David, perhaps later in 2022. See my Zeiss Biogon 21/25 videos for a taster.
Hi Matt! Thank you for another great video .. I wonder which one it's better for Street/Everything on SL body , in terms of quality + balance... Voigtlander ; 40mm 1.2 , 50mm 1.2 or 50mm 1.0 ? PS. I'm not wide-angle guy... I'm already owner the SL 24-90 and SL 50 Summilux for my jobs, but now I'm looking for something more affordable and lighter than the SL Lens ... what you recommend ? thank you for your attention.
Hi Dino, thanks! The 50 f1 isn’t really a street lens even if it is half the size of SL lenses. Voigt lander sent me the 50 f1.2 specifically so I can do a test vs the f1 so if you can hold tight a video will come later this month/ as soon as I can!
Hi Matt, I am new to your channel. Came here by coincidence when I was looking for a comparison between the 40 en 50mm V 1.2 nokton.
I have a Q. Are you shooting your SL(2) mainly with manual lenses and do you use focus peeking to focus or the dials on the lens on the SL(2) cam or with the magnifier ?
Hi there, welcome! (Sorry I got a bit behind with comments). The SL is awesome. I use magnifier for each photo (See video on my SL settings and last nights video for more on this lens).
Terrific review, as always, Matt. It's so tempting but for the price of the 50mm f1 I could get the 35mm 1.2 ASPH III VM and the Nokton 75mm 1.5 ASPH. I know it's not apples to apples but...
Hey Robbie, thanks! Yes the 35 and 75 is a killer combo. I see your thinking!
Matt,
Thank you so much for this quick review. As always your views/reviews get to the point i.e., is it worth a shit? LOL These days Voigtlander is doing things Leica will not, and doing so at affordable prices. I realize Leica is constrained by their dedication to making the absolute best but I can't help but wonder if they actually are? Not sure I agree with you with regards the Voigtlander 50mm f/1.5 Heliar Classic lens. I absolutely love my copy. It's like I get two lenses in one. Soft and dreamy at f/1.5 to f/2.8 and very very sharp stopped down to f/4 or f/5.6. In spite of its single coating the contrast stopped down is rather excellent.
Anyway, that's neither here nor there. Thank you for this excellent quick review. It has not convinced me to buy the Voigtlander 50/1 but I am seriously considering it.
Don
Thanks Don! I mention the 1.1 rather than the 1.5. I like the 1.5 but I usually only use lenses at or close to wide open so I never saw the stopped down sharpness.
I like so much this Lens! I Will to buy for my Fuji with adapter
It is a nice one! :)
Hi Matt, great video as always! I have a question for you. Do you think this lens will block the rangefinder window of the Bessa T? I am considering getting one but wants to make sure it works for my setups. Thanks!
Hmm interesting question. Remind me when you see my next video and I will try to dig out a Bessa T to check for you.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Thanks! Look forward to your next video!
@@yuchangshen4274 thanks, I booked a model trip to test it so coming later this month 👍🏻
Hello Where is it possible finding Voigtländer M mount lenses compatibilities on Leica M5 and Leica CL cameras ?
I own a M5 and seing heavy protuding rear lenses on some Voigtländer M lenses, I would not buy one and then having it not working on it because of lightmeter cell collision.
I would avoid wider lenses that protrude more at the rear.
Now that we have seen how the new Nokton compares to the Noctilux f1 I‘m even more excited how it differs from the 0.95 Noctilux. It seems the 0.95 and the Nokton have much more in common.
I had tried some other third party lenses with Norton like aperture. Yes, also after reading a lot of praise review online. The lenses are indeed special before my own direct experiences. But not afterwards. The take out of these is, if you like the lens, stay with it, don’t look the other side of the fence.
Thanks Max, yes for sure it’s closer to the 0.95 Noctilux. 80% of that perhaps approx. The Nocti performs like my Lux.
Yes I think it’s always good to try a lens yourself as everyone has different taste 👍🏻
How's hard manual focusing at f/1 (mirrorless and rangefinder)?
Mirrorless you can’t really miss with SL or CL (see my SL settings video). RF, your camera needs to be spot on with the calibration, then should be ok. Use M3 or 1.4 magnifier.
Hi Matt, great review, thanks for that. Im using a Norton F1 and an SL601. Which Lens profile for that combination would you recommend, when shooting JPEG? Thanks, Roland
Hi Roland, nice setup. I don't use profiles but perhaps try Noctilux 50mm profiles and see if you like the look.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Okay. One more question…? 😉 How the hell can I operate the SL and the Nokton with no profile set?
I have a question. If I mount the biogon 25mm on the m10 will it show the frameline of 28mm?
Hi please see my 25mm Biogon video. I can’t remember exactly as I’ve done 230 videos now.
Wow so nice you got is as first!!
Thanks Steve, I guess doing videos for most other M mount Voigtlander lenses helped.
Hello Matt. I just ordered myself the Nokton 1.0 for sl2s. It is more expensive than the Nokton 1.5/75mm but I find that it presents a better alternative than the 75mm, especially used around f1.4.
Yes I would alwayts select a 50mm as my old lens. The f1 is a beauty.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom J'ai retourné le 1.2/50, que je trouvais trop mou de f1.4 à 2.0 par rapport au 1.5/75mm, suis je tombé sur un mauvais numéro ?. Je ne sais pas. Mon revendeur va le renvoyer à Voigtlander, et je vais bientot récupérer la version 1.0. J'espère qu'il sera au niveau du 75mm.
Hi Matt
All these non genuine Leica lenses seem to be getting so much better and the price difference is unbelievable
For photographers using certain focal lengths or specialty lenses infrequently these cheaper options are a great option
For others who don’t care too much about brand names or prestige, there’s no practical real world difference anyway
All the very best
Well the results are never exactly the same. Depends on the shooter. If someone buys nothing but Leica lenses then great.
Thanks Ronald, yes Voigtlander definitely offer amazing value for us Leica shooters. I love their lenses and am happy with the results.
True not exactly the same but many cases still great as we know :) 28/2 35/2
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hi Matt
Professional photographers like yourself who work with cameras and lenses every day immediately pick the differences, amateurs and keen enthusiasts like myself would often be hard pressed to appreciate any slight differences
@@ronaldsand3000 yes if I only had 1 lens I would be the same so there’s nothing wrong with that 👍🏻
You should do the Sigmas. I just picked up the 65mm DG DN. Awesome performance
See my recent Sigms review. Another one coming and yes the 65 looks a nice size for AF shooters. 👍🏻
I have that Len in Sony E and love it for interviews and live music photography
How does Voigtlander 50mm f1.0 compare with Leica NOCTILUX-M 50mm F1.0 ? which has better character for portraits?
Leica is less corrected so perhaps better if you like the less perfect look.
Thanks the view. The price is very, very close to the canon 50mm f0.95 dream lens. How does it fare character wise? Would you say the rendering is "too clean"? How does it compare to the 50mm f1.2 from a character perspective. The 50mm f1.2 has a glow and makes things appear more out of focus than it is
I use the canon 1.2 which is sharper than people make out…. Canon 0.95 is way more expensive than new voigtlander …. Getting seriously pricey these days
Thanks Simon!
The advantage of the Voigtlander is it’s sharper wide open, if you want that, and in perfect new condition be trying to find the old lens without scratches, haze, fungus etc.
If you only can choose 1 lens between this voigtlander 50 nokton f/1 and leica noctilux f/1, which one you would keep and happy shooting with?
I use the Nocti (and TTA 50 0.95 and didn't buy the Voigtlander if that helps) Both are less perfect and I like that. .. consider the 50 1.2 also.
Great video, thanks for your expertise and sample photos ...
I'll stick with the Summilux as it do not block the viewfinder and for me it is the perfect pair on the M... but I need to try the TT artisan 0.95
Thanks Jerome, perhaps I should try to do a trip to Paris sometime and you can try mine 👍🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom That would be super ... Just wait till M11 is in my hands so you ll be able to try it 🙂
@@jeromearnould9940 TTA 50mm f0.95 on M11.. that could be quite a combo!! :) Yes no problem. We can chat about it via Patreon after you have your M11 :)
The TTartisan lens is so amazing for the price.
Agreed! I’m loving it way more than I expected :)
On your m3 what would you choose if u could only keep one... 50 rigid or this f1 ?! 🤔
Hi Nalla, i'd go with the f1 as it gives more options but ideally i'd own a small sharp 50 too!
I got the Nokton f/1.2 recently after watching your video and I agree 100% with what you said. Can you elaborate in the comparison regarding the bokeh between the f/1 and f/1.2. Tbh, I am ok with the sharpness of the f/1.2.
If you’re down to zooming 1000% to compare bokeh balls then you’re really stretching at this point.
@@carlosmcse What are you talking? You can see a lens characteristics regarding the bokeh without zooming.
@@gentrygarage Yea. If you’re comparing bokeh balls you’re in trouble 😅
Hi Ted, I know what you mean. The 1.0 has less uniform bokeh which for me with give more interesting images. It’s closer to the f1 Nocti in that regard compared to the other end of the spectrum, say Sigma 50 1.4 with perfect round less interesting bokeh.
The f1.0 Nokton gives old lens vibes / character in a new lens..That might be the punch line of my full video. Watch this space as more testing still to do.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Really appreciate it Matt. Congrats for being the first one to make a good review about this lens.
Defines "Concise" and to the Point- Thankyou. Mine arrived this week, focus is perfect on my M9. I use a 1.25x finder, no problems with focus across range at F1.0. One point: the front element protrudes and some care should be used for filters. I found that Tiffen filters could be screwed in safely, but Nikon filters- with glass closer to the rear of the filter- could not. I put a drop of lens cleaning fluid in the middle of the filters and screwed each in. If the fluid transferred- stopped screwing in the filter. I will be using with the M Monochrom as well. ANYWAY! Hope this helps!
Thanks Brian, thanks an excellent tip. Thanks for sharing and happy to hear that you got one already.
Is this officially Voigtlander’s most expensive lens
I still prefer the 50f1.2. It’s smaller and lighter and it’s awesome. These lenses are a very specific niche use. You never want these lenses too clinical. Part of the Leica charm is the slight glow wide open. If you correct them too much they become soul-less.
You seem to have a good relationship with VL. Can you ask them why they have never released a tiny 50f2 Ultron black on brass like the 28f2 II? 🤷🏻♂️
I’m buying 4 the moment they release it. Who needs this giant thing. We need a 50f2 Ultron! That way you can have a whole Ultron family. The 35f2, 28f2, and 50f2 Ultrons.
Thanks yes I’ll buy one too! I love the 28 & 35 ❤️ Yes I’ll ask. 👍🏻
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Totally awesome lenses. A family of Ultrocrons is all we need 😀
@@carlosmcse yes! 🙌🏻
Wouold be interesting to see it compared to the Nokton 1,2 50 mm
Thanks, if I can ever get both at the same time I will for sure 🙂👍🏻
Very important to see how this compares with the Leica Noctilux F0.95. Comparing a modern aspherical lens with FLE to a spherical lens designed in the 1970s is not a valid test. How does the new Voigtlander compare with the current Noctilux F/0.95? Should I sell my Noctilux and go for the Voigtlander?
Great point Jonathan. I will try to organise something if I get the opportunity.
NO....the Noctilux is the most 1:1 of the bunch, hens the price....checkout my explanation above.
@@ArmaniFlyHigh it has more character for sure
This lens is sharp... wow.
For an f1 and at that price yes absolutely 👍🏻
I’m not sure the weights were correct at 1:24. Looks like the Noctilux is the lightest?
Seems to me that the two images have been swapped. The Noctilux is indeed 630g.
@@dans.8198 the Noctilux 1.0 weights 580g. The .95 is 700 g.
@@bngr_bngr There are different versions of the Noctilux 1.0. The first version was 580g and the last version was 630g.
Thanks Dan, yes sorry I messed up when changed the image / order of the lenses.
Hi Alex, sorry I messed up after changing the order. The Voigtlander is the lightest.
Is this an asmr channel or what😂. I watch your video while sleeping😅
Haha, I’m happy for people to use the videos as they like! 🤍
01:22 Voigtlander(right) is 484g
Thanks. Sorry I messed up as I changed the photo with the lens order after. Yes correct.
Please do a review between the nokton 50 f1 and the nokton 50 f1.2🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
Yes. Please.
@@sebastianmichalski5318 What do you guys wanna know? I've had the 50 1.2 for a couple years and I've been using this 1.0 for a couple days now.
@@maxwolf2718 what differences have you noticed ? I have the 1.2 … wondering what I’d gain / loose going for the 1.0. Thanks.
@@ptrcksln The 1.0 is heavier, way more expensive, has a bit more intrusive vignetting than the 1.2.. but it's also a tiny bit sharper and gives you a tiny amount of more bokeh. The bokeh of the 1.0 isn't necessarily more creamy, it honestly seems quite nervous compared to the 1.2 - if you compare them directly, there's quite a bit of doubling going on in the out of focus areas with the 1.0. The 1.0 renders with a slightly more yellowish color cast, looks nice for portraits though. All in all, don't worry about the 1.0, you've already got the goldilocks lens.
@@maxwolf2718 how does the bokeh & vignette compare when you set both lenses at f1.2? curious how it fares in apple to apple comparison. thanks
We have a winner ! :)
It’s a goodie! :)
Ohhh my god, Mr Leica, Matt, your passion is profession and one can feel your passion and knowledge seeping, more spilling out of the videos... Btw.. want to be your freeofcharge luggage porter when you do all these nice sessions with your great beautiful models... Just joking.. keep it on. :-)😂
Ah thanks Jack!! Much appreciated :)
I watched your introduction and bought Voigtlander Ultron II 28mm, but found it’s focus shift sucks. The corner performance is also disappointing. In your future introduction you might want to include those properties to keep your reputation.
Just curious, on what type of camera are you using it? I'm interested in this lens, but would stay away if corners were too awful. It's not uncommon for this to vary depending on type of camera (e.g. adapted to Sony, for example, might perform differently than Leica M camera.)
The 28mm ultron ii has no focus shift
The corner performance on the 28mm V2 ultron is better than the summicron asph v2
I think you have a bad copy. I own it and it’s the best lens I’ve ever owned. If you live in China, make sure you buy it from an official dealer of lenses.
I had the voigtlander ultron 28 and had no problems either…. Corners were fine… it just optically it lacked a certain ‘magic’ but great value for money
Great review of the three glass whoppers.
And the winner is ...
Some purists say it is a blasphemy to mount
a strange brand lens on the sacred Leica.
You do like it to be a analog heretic, do you?
Thanks! A video with real photos to come
For this price i’m expected better package
Yes it has standard Voigtlander packaging
I don’t think I could focus at 1.0.
SL you can’t miss (see my SL settings video) RF need a magnified view ideally
For lenses like these, manufacturer must think about make cameras iso under 50...Iso 1?....I'm into Sony system and they are only worry for Cave photographers ....🙄
Haha thanks. Yes good point. 1/1000 on film or 1/4000 on M240 means I need ND filters for Leica. SL is ok
Voigtlander all day long
Yes! 🙌🏻
Get the behind me, Satan. You with your honey-tongued tales of the latest CV products. I'd love one but I am all lens-upped for now. But I do know a good f/1.0 should I backslide. ;o)
Haha thanks Zoltan! :)
Voigtlander beats Leica again.
Yes!
we should stop comparing the FL (focal-length) and start looking at the Aperture (DoF)...so the leica has a 0.95 opening and it will give you 0.95 DoF, the Nokton have a f1.1 opening but it will give you f4 at the max on DoF the rest is light coming in up to 1.1. hens the reason for the DoF scale on the lenses...now..the Nokton 1 is better then the 1.1 simply because it has a f2 on the DoF where the 1.1 is f4 on the DoF..
Note! High end lenses wil have a shorter working distance and the f stop will be 1:1 for axample the Nokton 50 is 1.1 but has a DoF of f4.....is not 1:1 DoF.
Thanks, an interesting way to look at it.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom DoF scale on a lens is the "DNA" (optical fact, if you will) of the lens..hens every "pro" lens must have a DoF scale..is the only ultimate way of checking the character of the lens....before buying/ trading..Pro tip ;-) spilt them in 2 Cat..Cat 1 is lowlight (1:x example Nokton) and Cat 2 is fast lens (1:1 example Noctilux)
ps...Helping you saving money by knowledge :-)
@@ArmaniFlyHigh thanks! Yes I try to do the same with my videos but I’ve never really thought about this.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom you should :-) to put it in prospective Cat 1 users or most likely "contrast" shooters, artistic, free mind kind, the "extra" light option is a benefit Learning curve is steep and Cat 2 the weddings and official stuff kind....No mistake stuff or try to be artistic about it :-) have a great day..
@@ArmaniFlyHigh thanks!