I bought my Ioniq 6 direct from Hyundai Australia, on-line. I did not test drive nor even see the car beforehand. I did watch about 20-30 RUclips video reviews though. The car was handed over to me through a local dealer, but their involvement only extended to selling me an after-market ceramic paint protection treatment. I love this car too.
US dealers don't want to sell EV's because not enough people want to buy them, and hanging onto a showroom full of EVs that aren't selling very well is expensive. A FACT, that car manufacturers have realised to their dismay, as they scramble to resuscitate their ICE production lines.
According to November 23 consumer reports EVs are 78% less reliable than gas cars so it seems to me there is plenty of service work in store for dealers.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects *Fact:* Automakers from Ford Motor and General Motors to Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Jaguar Land Rover and Aston Martin are scaling back or delaying their electric vehicle plans. _"Why do you feel so threatened you need to comment?"_ 🤣
The main issue with EV availability in North America is that the customers are the car dealers, not the general public. Dealers and their customers have far different concerns.
Tariff walls are a stupid response for a number of reasons. Obviously it hurts consumer choice, but it also breeds complacency and kills innovation in our own industry. Everybody loses.
The chinese have been using tariffs walls against us forever. That's how they destroyed our industry, that and environmental laws. Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up.
If the Chinese EV brands were available in the US the entire EV adoption would accelerate hugely. Variety of models, build quality, technology, at attractive prices would advance the take up so big it would surely be market shifting. Thailand has opened the EV sector and welcomed the Chinese makers and the direction and progress is impressive. Most Chinese manufacturers establishing production facilities. Legacy Japanese makers under big threat. I have a Tesla model 3 and an MG Cyberster. Great EV environment minus the divisive politics surrounding EV adoption in USA.
@@adda58 To be honest I get delivery of the Cyberster Friday. 😊 I've had 2 test drives and placed my order Dec 2023. The car is pretty impressive. Not an all out sports car but a really good overall Grand Tourer. The fit and finish is amazing. SAIC has over the past decades built cars in China for the premium German makers. So they really know how to build a quality car. SAIC/MG have made the Cyberster their "Halo car" or "flagship" car so I think they are ensuring it meets expectations as they have a lot riding on this model release. I think the drive train in my Tesla dual motor feels a tiny bit more refined but the short test drives of the Cyberster showed a lot of effort was put into all aspects of the car. The doors are actually more than just a gimmick. They work surprisingly well and can be moved manually. One option that MG has omitted was a function to move the car forward and backwards with the remote. The convertible top is sourced from the supplier to the BMW Z4 so it's the same piece. BMW Thailand sells about 110 Z4s per year. The order book for the Cyberster apparently sits at 1000 units. The first 250 have arrived and are going through PDI before delivery this week. In Thailand the MGs come with "lifetime" warranty on the battery, motors, and controllers. I'll be interested in reading the "fine print". 😁 I'm a petrol head (and from Detroit) with lots of cool cars in my history. But somehow the EV thing fits for me and in particular the Chinese are damn good at this game. My Tesla does 0-60 in like 4.2 and that's quick. The Cyberster at sub 3.4 is amazing. In my test drive I admit the suspension didn't like aggressive behavior but was aimed more at supple, compliant and comfortable side of things. That's fine with me. By the way I have 2 charging possibilities at my home. A wallbox fitted to my distribution panel that also has a full house solar system and a wallbox fitted directly and exclusively to a special Time Of Use meter so the off peak rates very cheap. Sorry if that was more than you asked but I guess I have too much time on my hands! Cheers,,,
@@adda58 Now about 5000 km on the Cyberster. It's a very nice car. Well designed and performs great. Although It's a step below the Tesla in software and user interface. The acceleration, handling, stopping, grip, and overall ride quality is quite good. The convertible top works great and the scissors doors actually are an elegant and good solution. In "comfort mode" it operates on the rear motor only. Fast but yet efficient. In "Sport mode" it operates with dual motors, 4 wheel drive and over 500 hp. It's like having 2 cars in one. The Bose sound system is exemplary and I'm really happy with the car. Very cool.
As an BEV owner and driver we have a lot to thank Tesla for they took the EV experience from a put put regular car to a totally different level of driving.
4:08. US EV Sales were up by 11% in 2Q outside of Tesla. Tesla sales were down, especially in California. In China, EV sales were up, Tesla sales were down. Globally, EV sales were up 4.8%, Tesla sales were down. This is a Tesla problem, not an industry problem.
Tesla sales were down the last quarter in part because OEM’s, Ford GM Hyundai were all dumping their electric vehicles at drastic reduced prices, thus losing even thousands more per vehicle. Once the OEM’s have cleared their electric inventory Tesla sales should go back up. Also a number of people like me are holding off on buying a model Y with the model Y refresh coming within the next eight months. A bit of the Osborne effect in play. Tesla is in very good shape, in fact it’s in the catbird seat. 😊
The Leaf is only a disaster for Nissan dealers because you had to take your outside the dealers to get the battery replaced. Had they supported it with more modern battery upgrades, and done that at a reasonable price, you'd have taken it to a dealership to get the range back up or even increase it. Remember, it was them that designed it to not be something they could upgrade. There's no reason cars couldn't be made with lots of upgradeable parts. Want a better dashboard or glove box? That's modular, that's available. Also, they could easily have just designed a better vehicle, kept updating the models, improved their manufacturing as Tesla has done, and made the vehicles profitably and much cheaper.
With everything being "drive by wire" in the future, I wonder how feasible it would be to have modular wheel, pedals and instruments, so it would be trivial to switch things from LHD to RHD.
Tariffs are not the way to handle competition that you can’t win. You want to raise the bar for yourself , not restrict/limit your competition. Tariffs remind me of what “Tanya Harding” did to Nancy Harrigan.
You do if you want to retain jobs that provide what we consider an acceptable standard of living to your population and if you want to retain a manufacturing capability rather than handing it over to a strategic competitor. Look at that competitor: do they have tarrifs?
Interesting discussion. Dealerships are even more cynical than I thought, good riddance! I'll be against tariffs the day that China becomes a functioning democracy that isn't threatening its neighbors...
The key factor with legacy makers in the US, are the shackles of labor laws, non-tech approaches, and essentially challenges thinking beyond the petrol heads.. in design, deployment & delivery
Interesting about the dealerships. A client of mine told me her husband is a mechanic for BWM and they are being told that EV batteries will only last up to 10 years. If the manufacturers/dealerships are saying this they will put people off just like Mr Bean even when there is no evidence it’s true. Stop BS. Keep up the informative work Bobby, team and guests.
@@maxflight777 scary thing is I think he is being trained as a technician to work on them! Unbelievable 🤣🤣🤣. I keep telling them I will buy a new battery with all the money I’m saving on fuel.
Just for the record, the Isle of Man TT record is not held by an electric bike. The Mugen TT Zero set the fastest electric bike in 2018, but the class has been discontinued due to lack of entries. Interestingly the fastest lap was set by a 600cc bike, which must mean that weight is a big factor in the IOMTT
Kinda laughable that the US is complaining about subsidies. The US was willing to give Vinfast $1.2B in subsidies to a company that sells less than 100K cars per year worldwide. Just think of how much total auto subsidies in the US must be if they are willing to spend that much money on a 3rd rate minor car company. How much money must Ford, GM, Tesla, Toyota, Hyundai and other major car manufacturers be getting. In comparison, BYD got $3.7B in subsidies and they sell more than 3M cars per year. The US also subsidizes EVs at $7500 per EV sold. Add up all subsides and on a per car basis, the US subsidizes more than China does. The same stupid arguments are made about solar subsidies. The figure I heard is that China subsidizes up to 9 times as much as the US for solar panels. What people don't realize is that this means the US subsidizes FAR more per panel than China since China has about 80% of the world market for panels and the US has somewhere around 1-2%. Whenever you see any subsidy figures in any industry, you have to convert into a per unit amount in order to have a proper comparison.
US government is giving subsidies to individuals who buy EV’s to perpetuate EV’s especially those made with components made in the US! They are not subsidizing US auto makers in order to dump their product in foreign markets at below wholesale prices! Two completely different things. 😮
@@joehowe9532 Stunning ignorance. The US taxes US based multinational corps 1/2 the rate of domestic US companies. This is a MASSIVE export subsidy for US companies. The US HEAVILY subsidizes agricultural exports which is dumped overseas especially in Africa often at a loss. China sells EVs outside the country at HIGHER prices than domestically. For example, the BYD Seal is sold at about $23K domestically but about $45K in Europe (pre tariff increase). This is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
Vancouver and San Diego are not centrally located for most in North America. Might as well call it the West Coast Show. Why not do it in Chicago? Much easier to get to.
I can appreciate that Robert is not involved with picking the live show locations, but why is there no San Diego (or even US) show this year? Glad to hear that Vancouver is happening again. :)
The efforts of those working in the field with dealerships is paying off. Our local dealership had over a hundred Lyriqs and the salesman was only too happy to help us.
EV sales in US are NOT down for Q2. Only down for Tesla. For example, see the Kelley Blue Book report published July 12. " EV Sales Set Record in Second Quarter".
I have LFP batteries in my electric bicycle 12 years ago. NMC and LFP are the 2 EV batteries dominating the EV products. Lots of media hype on new technologies surrounding batteries but nothing substantively commercialized yet.
I thoroughly enjoyed learning about the developments in the US. However, being an Australian, I am more focused on the Oceania market. One reviewer who I really enjoy is Gavin Shoebridge (Ecotricity NZ) even though the Kiwi market is slightly different to Australia. Gavin is very interesting as he not enjoys and reviews new EVs, but he is converting an ICE vehicle to be BEV. I'd love to watch an interview with Gavin.
20:00 We drive from Winston-Salem, North Carolina to Richmond, VA to get our Rivian R1T serviced (only one time so far). Otherwise, Rivian mobile service can handle any repair.
Tariffs in the US should be done on a clock with the warning to American manufacturers that these tariffs are only here to give you a short window to get into the game.
I've got a Cupra Born (basically the id3 in a fancy dress), and I turn LKA off each trip, as the car basically tries to kill you if left on (tries to steer you into the curb, or into oncoming traffic etc)
Tesla, specially outside the USA, is not affordable for the average Joe. Tesla EV's are for the more wealthy people and companies. The sub $25k Tesla has been only a lot of "bla bla bla" by Elon, hot air. In the EU, companies like Citroën and Renault, are building sub $25.000 EV's for real. And luckily, in the EU, the masses don't need 3.5 metric ton vehicles to transport 1 human. And people that think a $45.000 EV is affordable . . . ? Isn't living in the real world.
Is it possible that US car manufacturers don’t want tariffs on Chinese imports because when their business collapses, the US government will bail them out? That’s tax payer money and we don’t want it going to bailouts. I want 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs in USA.
Why is it that, knowing we don't need that much on a daily basis, I think we really need 1,000km of autonomy? Because at the moment I have a diesel car that I only fill up once a month, well if my car was already electric with 1,000km of range I would also only need to charge it once a month, which would be very good for the charging infrastructure, and also for the battery, since a battery with 1,000 charge cycles would last at least 50 years, considering +-20 full charges per year (1,000/20=50)
There's a reason the American "Big 3" auto makers aren't pushing smaller EVs -- they don't sell. People keep SAYING they want to see smaller, cheaper EVs, but if you look at the Top 10 selling vehicles in the US you'll notice NONE OF THEM ARE SMALL VEHICLES! NOT ONE! Those certainly exist as ICE cars, but they are NOT big sellers. Yes, they sell, but nothing in the Top 20 can be categorized as "small". Talk is cheap.
I don't think Bobby that explaining to an internal combustion engine car driver that "all your 11-year-old EV needed was a battery replacement" would fill them great confidence 🤪 (i also have an old LEAF but that's down to 60 mile range now). Mines also been fantastic mechanically 👍
@@johnrubber1144 Think it depends on the software version. If you're on an older model/software version need to complain to the garage for a software update. I have the updated model (with rear wiper, software version r40) and LKA is fine
@@adyg236 @andrewsaint6581 I just hope Robert looks at these posts and changes his commentary from everyone to a few. I wish there was an update version website. Is there?
The rollout of the charge network with 7.5 billion dollars is a huge failure. The chargers are needed "yesterday" but the execution is mired down in bureaucracy. If a change of government occurs with the coming election the budget for chargers could get canceled. This would be hugely disappointing.
😄Good day from GOONELLABAH, NSW! In Lismore, NSW, Tesla has more than 100, which is up from last year. I'll embark on a six-month journey to circumnavigate Australia in two CYBERTRUCKs and a Tesla Semi, covering 22,000 kilometres at the beginning of February 2025. - Ian Cleland
I'm so sick of stupid tariffs. Just stipulate that any product sold in a country be produced according to the importing country's laws, rules and regulations not according to the laws of the country where the item is produced. Then let the market take care of things. You're welcome.
EU and US car companies can compete if Govts are wiling to massively subsidise the industry & factory workers willing to accept China level wages and work practices. Chinese companies that want to establish JVs should also be subject to technology transfers the same as companies that want to set up in China.
@@andders2477what happened to remembering that the 50% annual growth was an average over the longer term. Check out the words used in the earnings calls.
@@andrewsaint6581 Actually, it was Compound Annual Growth Rate. In other words, the compound rate over time needs to be 50%. so 1.5x after first year, 2.25x second year, 3.375x third year... 25.6289x over 8 years. They did not make that growth rate last year and are down this year. They will not reach a 50% CAGR.
Fails to address the elephant in the room regarding Chinese EVs - they have benefited from huge state subsidies for the last 10 years, which is very well-documented. Such economic backing is not conducive to fair competition on the open market. Hence tariffs are a means of leveling the playing field.
Well, as far as I know, European cars are subsidized as well and still they're failing to be serious competition to the Chinese EV. Maybe because they don't want it. They rather continue selling turbodiesels if they got the chance to.
@@worldeconomicfella3228 Incorrect. Consumer EV subsidies exist of course, but European regulations prohibit state aid to commercial enterprises. Whereas the large-scale, long-term financial and regulatory support Chinese EV makers received from the Chinese state is widely known. It was even a core element of their key 5 year economic plans. One can argue that cheap Chinese EVs would help EV uptake and benefit environmentally. But there is no question economically they have had significant anticompetitive advantages.
As much as I'd like to see electric vehicles be the best and fastest at everything, the TT electric bikes aren't as fast as the ICE ones, and it's not even close.
Tariffs are PUNITIVE - not preventative. Nor are they the encouragers of commerce. In the short term they raise consumer prices in the Nation imposing Tariffs. In the long term they can cause intended industries to collapse due to lack of Government support and no skilled labor to take up the challenge, Tariffs already imposed on China have both strengthened China's will but bolstered their internal infrastuctures. Tariffs are a failure for the imposer.
@@verygoodbrother Yeah, and climate change isn't real and happening now and isn't caused in a large part by ICE vehicles, not to mention all the people who aren't dying from diesel fumes...
if they would let Chinese EV's in the consumers will have tons of choices and would spurs EV adoption, its simple...if you only have Tesla to chose from...people will eventually get bored
Fully Charged is always happy to talk about consumer choice, but never the jobs that would be lost and communities devastated if automotive production is offshored from Europe and the US - it’s incredibly naive
Its not naive it is just how the world works. We went through the change in Australia from manufactoring cars. It was a shock but we moved on. The probem we see now is that it is a security issue. We have no big factories rready for uncertain times
Does anyone feel yet, that if President Trump get's re-elected, The 7500.00 for new EV's and 4,000 IRS Federal taxable income credit, (for used EV's) is going be on much shakier status, or is that benefit ultimately in a safe space, and not something a future President Trump can just ban by executive order one day?
The China thing is not just feelings. China imposed tariffs on Australian goods, saying we were flooding the market with cheap goods. The Courts ruled in our favour, but they did not remove the tarrifs. They destroyed the wine industry. Plus, they are supporting Russia in the war with Ukraine. Tarrifs are a way to impose sanctions on China to get them to help end the war.
The China trade war with Australia was more of a political stunt retribution for Australia stand stance on the investigation into the source of COVID-19 trade just happens to be a very convenient means to an end note that they soften their stand and relaxed that the various trade sanctions this year or last
@@chrisnewman7281Tarrifs increases the price to customers. They are inflationary. You really need a very good reason to impose them and a full understanding of all their effects. They do hurt your own people.
@@chrisnewman7281 It's not just Australia. China also weaponized their market dominance in rare earth metal against Japan in 2010. China banned all foreign EV battery competitors and forced all foreign EV OEMs to use locally made batteries by local companies, eg CATL/BYD.. since 2015 to protect local EV battery makers and subsequently dominate the global EV supply-chain.
A petrol hybrid is the best way to go as these electric cars hitting the market at the moment present older technology compared to what is coming. The other point to mention is software, when plugging your electric car into a charger there is a great deal of software handshaking between charger and electric car. The first point is what size battery is your car and then what state of charge is the traction battery at. Of course before this you must provide the external charger with your account details so the charging costs can be charged to your account, so at this point the charging company know where you are in the country and pay per mile come to mind at this point as well. Now once the external charger has all this information it will decide what current is necessary to charge your car and this is a grey area so we hope that the software makers have this software sorted out and despite all the wonderful display data we don’t actually know how much current is being sent from the external charger to your electric car exactly. As we all know the higher the current the more heat is developed inside the battery traction pack and so the liquid cooling system must control the heat in software. To put petrol into a hybrid battery car its just a case of opening the petrol flap putting the nozzle of the petrol pump into the petrol tank neck and fill the petrol tank up and then place the petrol pump nozzle back into its holder and close the petrol flap and pay for the petrol dispensed. All done in less than 5 min and no software involved.
The machine pumping the fuel still has to be authorised using software whether you pay at the pump or in the shop. The amount you pay is measured by software and your payment, even if you pay cash involves software. The dispensing of fuel involves software no matter what fuel it is.
@@stulop Thank you for your comments. Yes you are correct but I know that petrol is being dispensed and I know when the tank is full this is all under human control and in all only takes 5 min of my life. I don’t need a pastry or a coffee and a comfort break as well before the electric car traction battery is at least 80% charged which is at least 30 min of my life I can do something else and not wait around or queue up waiting for a charger to be free, Oh and by the way the charging operation of a hybrid is done using the manufacturers exclusive software only and has no external charger software intervention, so that’s very reassuring regarding the longevity of the small battery inside the hybrid car. Petrol Hybrid cars make a great deal of sense at the moment and that’s why new cars sales hybrids are way out in front of electric car sales. It’s only the fleet management companies providing the bulk of new electric car sales. Private and second hand electric cars sales are not meeting expectations.
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects Thank you for your comments. So sorry to hear of your experience regarding your Hybrid. Can I ask you what Hybrid you had problems with ?
Please invest in some decent audio gear and use a room that does not reflect sound. It’s not like you are new to production of podcasts. Your guest audio was great, but sadly Robert only 3/10.
Walls, what are they good for Wall, huh good God y'all What is it good for? Absolutely nothing, say it, say it, say it Wall, huh Oh-ohh yeah, huh What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me
Dosn't make any financial sense to buy or Lease an EV with the high price of Electricity here in CA, even at home ! Good luck with public charging. Might as well stick with Gas. At least they have a proven track record and lots of Infrastructure ! Give it up EV's have lost in America WE and I do not want one. Maybe a hybread so I NEVER EVER Have to waite behind 5 cars charging for 45 Min Each !
Jim is pragmatic and joined Ford when they were already in big trouble (October 2020) and is pragmatic, with big decisions to make. Rule 1, don't upset the Big Dog in the segment.
Get the selfplug-in feature working like the robot vacuum cleaner. $60 wall outlet and trickle currents all day long in every carpark space at every building. Watch the grid owners cry every day the sun shines. 😮😅😅😊 Happy days, Hahaha Hahaha 😆
PV rooftop can make 24 hours of electricity in 4 hours. Big oversized BV batteries parked 23 hours every day can soak up 72 hours of electricity. With PV rooftop when the sun shines and the BV stores and trickle supplies, then the grid cash dies. If the sun shines for 36 days, then the grid will lose 10% of its return on investment. 3 months of sunshine 25% lose of income. 6 months, 50% lose in cash flows. Income loss is serious. Profit loss is disaster. Nobody thinks. Economic disaster for the grid economy. Economic disaster for the real economy if CO2 emissions continue. Economic disaster if the world went to nuclear electricity as resources to increase the grid capacity and BVs and CO2 emissions from mining and refining and smelting and..... Economic disaster if every dictatorship has nuclear industries and military defence budgets explode. Nobody thinks, and bs from those who know better.
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The fact that US dealers don't want to sell EV's because they will lose their service revenue should tell customers something.
I bought my Ioniq 6 direct from Hyundai Australia, on-line. I did not test drive nor even see the car beforehand. I did watch about 20-30 RUclips video reviews though. The car was handed over to me through a local dealer, but their involvement only extended to selling me an after-market ceramic paint protection treatment. I love this car too.
US dealers don't want to sell EV's because not enough people want to buy them, and hanging onto a showroom full of EVs that aren't selling very well is expensive. A FACT, that car manufacturers have realised to their dismay, as they scramble to resuscitate their ICE production lines.
According to November 23 consumer reports EVs are 78% less reliable than gas cars so it seems to me there is plenty of service work in store for dealers.
@@mongo64071 ICE troll. 🤣
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects *Fact:* Automakers from Ford Motor and General Motors to Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Jaguar Land Rover and Aston Martin are scaling back or delaying their electric vehicle plans.
_"Why do you feel so threatened you need to comment?"_ 🤣
Really enjoy these guest podcasts! Well done Robert, and very well done to Miss GoElectric, very informative and humourous!
The main issue with EV availability in North America is that the customers are the car dealers, not the general public. Dealers and their customers have far different concerns.
To some extent yes
Your guest is very knowledgeable. Great interview.
…when she gets a chance to speak
Isn't it the done thing to add a link to her channel? :) ruclips.net/user/missgoelectric
Tariff walls are a stupid response for a number of reasons. Obviously it hurts consumer choice, but it also breeds complacency and kills innovation in our own industry. Everybody loses.
Thanks
The chinese have been using tariffs walls against us forever. That's how they destroyed our industry, that and environmental laws. Wake up, wake up, wake up, wake up.
ICE vehicles will never replace the horse and carts 🤔
Steam won't either.
Sentinel who?
If the Chinese EV brands were available in the US the entire EV adoption would accelerate hugely. Variety of models, build quality, technology, at attractive prices would advance the take up so big it would surely be market shifting. Thailand has opened the EV sector and welcomed the Chinese makers and the direction and progress is impressive. Most Chinese manufacturers establishing production facilities. Legacy Japanese makers under big threat. I have a Tesla model 3 and an MG Cyberster. Great EV environment minus the divisive politics surrounding EV adoption in USA.
How is the Cyberster? Looks amazing!
@@adda58 To be honest I get delivery of the Cyberster Friday. 😊 I've had 2 test drives and placed my order Dec 2023. The car is pretty impressive. Not an all out sports car but a really good overall Grand Tourer. The fit and finish is amazing. SAIC has over the past decades built cars in China for the premium German makers. So they really know how to build a quality car. SAIC/MG have made the Cyberster their "Halo car" or "flagship" car so I think they are ensuring it meets expectations as they have a lot riding on this model release. I think the drive train in my Tesla dual motor feels a tiny bit more refined but the short test drives of the Cyberster showed a lot of effort was put into all aspects of the car. The doors are actually more than just a gimmick. They work surprisingly well and can be moved manually. One option that MG has omitted was a function to move the car forward and backwards with the remote. The convertible top is sourced from the supplier to the BMW Z4 so it's the same piece. BMW Thailand sells about 110 Z4s per year. The order book for the Cyberster apparently sits at 1000 units. The first 250 have arrived and are going through PDI before delivery this week. In Thailand the MGs come with "lifetime" warranty on the battery, motors, and controllers. I'll be interested in reading the "fine print". 😁 I'm a petrol head (and from Detroit) with lots of cool cars in my history. But somehow the EV thing fits for me and in particular the Chinese are damn good at this game. My Tesla does 0-60 in like 4.2 and that's quick. The Cyberster at sub 3.4 is amazing. In my test drive I admit the suspension didn't like aggressive behavior but was aimed more at supple, compliant and comfortable side of things. That's fine with me. By the way I have 2 charging possibilities at my home. A wallbox fitted to my distribution panel that also has a full house solar system and a wallbox fitted directly and exclusively to a special Time Of Use meter so the off peak rates very cheap. Sorry if that was more than you asked but I guess I have too much time on my hands! Cheers,,,
@@adda58 Now about 5000 km on the Cyberster. It's a very nice car. Well designed and performs great. Although It's a step below the Tesla in software and user interface. The acceleration, handling, stopping, grip, and overall ride quality is quite good. The convertible top works great and the scissors doors actually are an elegant and good solution. In "comfort mode" it operates on the rear motor only. Fast but yet efficient. In "Sport mode" it operates with dual motors, 4 wheel drive and over 500 hp. It's like having 2 cars in one. The Bose sound system is exemplary and I'm really happy with the car. Very cool.
As an BEV owner and driver we have a lot to thank Tesla for they took the EV experience from a put put regular car to a totally different level of driving.
4:08. US EV Sales were up by 11% in 2Q outside of Tesla. Tesla sales were down, especially in California. In China, EV sales were up, Tesla sales were down. Globally, EV sales were up 4.8%, Tesla sales were down. This is a Tesla problem, not an industry problem.
Tesla sales were down the last quarter in part because OEM’s, Ford GM Hyundai were all dumping their electric vehicles at drastic reduced prices, thus losing even thousands more per vehicle. Once the OEM’s have cleared their electric inventory Tesla sales should go back up. Also a number of people like me are holding off on buying a model Y with the model Y refresh coming within the next eight months. A bit of the Osborne effect in play. Tesla is in very good shape, in fact it’s in the catbird seat. 😊
i really enjoyed this conversation, as usual. Robert: Salute! You excel at presenting compelling guests (aka: Miss Go Electric). Please continue!
Thank you, informative and entertaining. Very impressive you lady.
The Leaf is only a disaster for Nissan dealers because you had to take your outside the dealers to get the battery replaced. Had they supported it with more modern battery upgrades, and done that at a reasonable price, you'd have taken it to a dealership to get the range back up or even increase it. Remember, it was them that designed it to not be something they could upgrade. There's no reason cars couldn't be made with lots of upgradeable parts. Want a better dashboard or glove box? That's modular, that's available. Also, they could easily have just designed a better vehicle, kept updating the models, improved their manufacturing as Tesla has done, and made the vehicles profitably and much cheaper.
With everything being "drive by wire" in the future, I wonder how feasible it would be to have modular wheel, pedals and instruments, so it would be trivial to switch things from LHD to RHD.
Outstanding interview, very informative guest!
Great interview and Miss Go Electric certainly knows her facts.
Tariffs are not the way to handle competition that you can’t win. You want to raise the bar for yourself , not restrict/limit your competition. Tariffs remind me of what “Tanya Harding” did to Nancy Harrigan.
You do if you want to retain jobs that provide what we consider an acceptable standard of living to your population and if you want to retain a manufacturing capability rather than handing it over to a strategic competitor. Look at that competitor: do they have tarrifs?
Great show
Interesting discussion. Dealerships are even more cynical than I thought, good riddance!
I'll be against tariffs the day that China becomes a functioning democracy that isn't threatening its neighbors...
Surrounding countries will unite to hold off China.
Another great interview Bobby. This lady knows her stuff.
I really enjoyed seeing Miss Electric a.k.a. Lacey and Tim. This is a great conversation the Highlander.😊
I have been enjoyed, so thank you for delivering.
Great interview!!!
Miss Go Electric: So informed, I have not listened to a commentator so across the subject of the automotive industry brilliant ! I am a fan !!
Cheers guys .
Tariff barriers and trade wars benefit NO economy!
Neither does massive government, subsidies, and product dumping! 😮
Great chat :) Keep them coming.
I enjoyed this and subscribed to her channel.
New industries do need to stop foreign competition to help create domestic producers. That’s how it is done.
The key factor with legacy makers in the US, are the shackles of labor laws, non-tech approaches, and essentially challenges thinking beyond the petrol heads.. in design, deployment & delivery
Such an interesting discussion ❤
Interesting about the dealerships. A client of mine told me her husband is a mechanic for BWM and they are being told that EV batteries will only last up to 10 years. If the manufacturers/dealerships are saying this they will put people off just like Mr Bean even when there is no evidence it’s true. Stop BS. Keep up the informative work Bobby, team and guests.
They equate "Warranty" with "Total life"
“a client of mine told me “. 😂😂😂😂
Clearly that clown mechanic is one who won’t have a job when everyone is driving EV’s 😂
@@maxflight777 scary thing is I think he is being trained as a technician to work on them! Unbelievable 🤣🤣🤣. I keep telling them I will buy a new battery with all the money I’m saving on fuel.
Just for the record, the Isle of Man TT record is not held by an electric bike. The Mugen TT Zero set the fastest electric bike in 2018, but the class has been discontinued due to lack of entries. Interestingly the fastest lap was set by a 600cc bike, which must mean that weight is a big factor in the IOMTT
Inertia matters.
The lap record definitely isn't a 600 it's the 1000cc BMW of Peter Hickman
Kinda laughable that the US is complaining about subsidies. The US was willing to give Vinfast $1.2B in subsidies to a company that sells less than 100K cars per year worldwide. Just think of how much total auto subsidies in the US must be if they are willing to spend that much money on a 3rd rate minor car company. How much money must Ford, GM, Tesla, Toyota, Hyundai and other major car manufacturers be getting.
In comparison, BYD got $3.7B in subsidies and they sell more than 3M cars per year.
The US also subsidizes EVs at $7500 per EV sold. Add up all subsides and on a per car basis, the US subsidizes more than China does.
The same stupid arguments are made about solar subsidies. The figure I heard is that China subsidizes up to 9 times as much as the US for solar panels. What people don't realize is that this means the US subsidizes FAR more per panel than China since China has about 80% of the world market for panels and the US has somewhere around 1-2%.
Whenever you see any subsidy figures in any industry, you have to convert into a per unit amount in order to have a proper comparison.
US government is giving subsidies to individuals who buy EV’s to perpetuate EV’s especially those made with components made in the US! They are not subsidizing US auto makers in order to dump their product in foreign markets at below wholesale prices! Two completely different things. 😮
@@joehowe9532 Stunning ignorance. The US taxes US based multinational corps 1/2 the rate of domestic US companies. This is a MASSIVE export subsidy for US companies. The US HEAVILY subsidizes agricultural exports which is dumped overseas especially in Africa often at a loss.
China sells EVs outside the country at HIGHER prices than domestically. For example, the BYD Seal is sold at about $23K domestically but about $45K in Europe (pre tariff increase). This is exactly the opposite of what you are claiming.
Vancouver and San Diego are not centrally located for most in North America. Might as well call it the West Coast Show. Why not do it in Chicago? Much easier to get to.
I can appreciate that Robert is not involved with picking the live show locations, but why is there no San Diego (or even US) show this year? Glad to hear that Vancouver is happening again. :)
None of the supplies where interested and didn't someone poach the format and hold their own show?
It would be nice to see a show in Ireland 🇮🇪
Cheers great chat
The efforts of those working in the field with dealerships is paying off. Our local dealership had over a hundred Lyriqs and the salesman was only too happy to help us.
EV sales in US are NOT down for Q2. Only down for Tesla. For example, see the Kelley Blue Book report published July 12. " EV Sales Set Record in Second Quarter".
IoM electric lap record - 121.824mph
IoM absolute lap record (ICE) - 136.358 mph
I have LFP batteries in my electric bicycle 12 years ago. NMC and LFP are the 2 EV batteries dominating the EV products. Lots of media hype on new technologies surrounding batteries but nothing substantively commercialized yet.
I thoroughly enjoyed learning about the developments in the US. However, being an Australian, I am more focused on the Oceania market. One reviewer who I really enjoy is Gavin Shoebridge (Ecotricity NZ) even though the Kiwi market is slightly different to Australia. Gavin is very interesting as he not enjoys and reviews new EVs, but he is converting an ICE vehicle to be BEV. I'd love to watch an interview with Gavin.
20:00 We drive from Winston-Salem, North Carolina to Richmond, VA to get our Rivian R1T serviced (only one time so far). Otherwise, Rivian mobile service can handle any repair.
27:15 I tell my dad this all the time
Tariffs in the US should be done on a clock with the warning to American manufacturers that these tariffs are only here to give you a short window to get into the game.
Not at all, American manufacturers had years to up their game but don’t. Executives in U.S. line their pockets until companies go bankrupt.
LKA same in vw id3. I always turn it off. Pity. Could be a good safety feature. I drive mostly country roads, maybe better on big roads.
I've got a Cupra Born (basically the id3 in a fancy dress), and I turn LKA off each trip, as the car basically tries to kill you if left on (tries to steer you into the curb, or into oncoming traffic etc)
Ironic that the damned thing is required for top safety rating...
Tesla, specially outside the USA, is not affordable for the average Joe. Tesla EV's are for the more wealthy people and companies.
The sub $25k Tesla has been only a lot of "bla bla bla" by Elon, hot air.
In the EU, companies like Citroën and Renault, are building sub $25.000 EV's for real.
And luckily, in the EU, the masses don't need 3.5 metric ton vehicles to transport 1 human.
And people that think a $45.000 EV is affordable . . . ? Isn't living in the real world.
I just have Kodak moment flashback from dealership story in this video.
46:00 No CCS1 charging in West Virginia, USA.
Is it possible that US car manufacturers don’t want tariffs on Chinese imports because when their business collapses, the US government will bail them out? That’s tax payer money and we don’t want it going to bailouts. I want 100% tariffs on Chinese EVs in USA.
Why is it that, knowing we don't need that much on a daily basis, I think we really need 1,000km of autonomy? Because at the moment I have a diesel car that I only fill up once a month, well if my car was already electric with 1,000km of range I would also only need to charge it once a month, which would be very good for the charging infrastructure, and also for the battery, since a battery with 1,000 charge cycles would last at least 50 years, considering +-20 full charges per year (1,000/20=50)
The tarrifs aren't to protect American auto workers. They're to protect legacy Auto investors. Namely, one investor: Mary Barra
Come on bob, just ask a mate for a microphone
There's a reason the American "Big 3" auto makers aren't pushing smaller EVs -- they don't sell. People keep SAYING they want to see smaller, cheaper EVs, but if you look at the Top 10 selling vehicles in the US you'll notice NONE OF THEM ARE SMALL VEHICLES! NOT ONE! Those certainly exist as ICE cars, but they are NOT big sellers. Yes, they sell, but nothing in the Top 20 can be categorized as "small". Talk is cheap.
I don't think Bobby that explaining to an internal combustion engine car driver that "all your 11-year-old EV needed was a battery replacement" would fill them great confidence 🤪 (i also have an old LEAF but that's down to 60 mile range now). Mines also been fantastic mechanically 👍
We have a MG4 and never had an issue with LKA
Love my MG4 but agree with Bobby , LKA is a pain.
Yes, I do 30,000 miles a year in mine.
It shakes it's head sometimes but is fine overall.
@@johnrubber1144 Think it depends on the software version. If you're on an older model/software version need to complain to the garage for a software update. I have the updated model (with rear wiper, software version r40) and LKA is fine
@@adyg236 @andrewsaint6581 I just hope Robert looks at these posts and changes his commentary from everyone to a few.
I wish there was an update version website. Is there?
The rollout of the charge network with 7.5 billion dollars is a huge failure. The chargers are needed "yesterday" but the execution is mired down in bureaucracy. If a change of government occurs with the coming election the budget for chargers could get canceled. This would be hugely disappointing.
😄Good day from GOONELLABAH, NSW! In Lismore, NSW, Tesla has more than 100, which is up from last year.
I'll embark on a six-month journey to circumnavigate Australia in two CYBERTRUCKs and a Tesla Semi, covering 22,000 kilometres at the beginning of February 2025. - Ian Cleland
I'm so sick of stupid tariffs. Just stipulate that any product sold in a country be produced according to the importing country's laws, rules and regulations not according to the laws of the country where the item is produced. Then let the market take care of things. You're welcome.
Chinese EVs are 98% better than American junk cars "No pun intended"
EU and US car companies can compete if Govts are wiling to massively subsidise the industry & factory workers willing to accept China level wages and work practices.
Chinese companies that want to establish JVs should also be subject to technology transfers the same as companies that want to set up in China.
Tesla 2nd quarter was 3rd best ever so not that bad.
If they are a growth company it is bad. What happened to 50% yearly growth? The stock value is not set for a stalling company.
@@andders2477what happened to remembering that the 50% annual growth was an average over the longer term.
Check out the words used in the earnings calls.
@@andrewsaint6581 Actually, it was Compound Annual Growth Rate. In other words, the compound rate over time needs to be 50%. so 1.5x after first year, 2.25x second year, 3.375x third year... 25.6289x over 8 years. They did not make that growth rate last year and are down this year. They will not reach a 50% CAGR.
Morning Robert and Miss Go Electric
Tesla model 3 secondhand UK from £14,000
GM FINNISHED
No news yet of a Tesla M2?
EV's in Nascar will be a hard sell, but if it can be made to work, will be worth the effort.
Got some bots in these comment chaps.
Interesting chat, i will subscribe to the channel, not come across her before.👍
u mean bogan shill?
@@GForce162 You mean CCP shills?
@@rhetoricalgibletshar de har...and such a suitable handle there...😂
Tesla factory in Germany only produce model y
“Not allowed to have direct sales “ …. 😂
Fails to address the elephant in the room regarding Chinese EVs - they have benefited from huge state subsidies for the last 10 years, which is very well-documented.
Such economic backing is not conducive to fair competition on the open market. Hence tariffs are a means of leveling the playing field.
Well, as far as I know, European cars are subsidized as well and still they're failing to be serious competition to the Chinese EV. Maybe because they don't want it. They rather continue selling turbodiesels if they got the chance to.
@@worldeconomicfella3228 Incorrect. Consumer EV subsidies exist of course, but European regulations prohibit state aid to commercial enterprises. Whereas the large-scale, long-term financial and regulatory support Chinese EV makers received from the Chinese state is widely known. It was even a core element of their key 5 year economic plans.
One can argue that cheap Chinese EVs would help EV uptake and benefit environmentally. But there is no question economically they have had significant anticompetitive advantages.
Very well said!
As much as I'd like to see electric vehicles be the best and fastest at everything, the TT electric bikes aren't as fast as the ICE ones, and it's not even close.
18:55 “hundreds of thousands of people for test drives.” ?!
Yes 🙂
She’s so nice
Tariffs are PUNITIVE - not preventative. Nor are they the encouragers of commerce. In the short term they raise consumer prices in the Nation imposing Tariffs. In the long term they can cause intended industries to collapse due to lack of Government support and no skilled labor to take up the challenge, Tariffs already imposed on China have both strengthened China's will but bolstered their internal infrastuctures. Tariffs are a failure for the imposer.
47:32 I'm back again
VW is IP fishing to try and cut development costs
My dad is still driving me and mum in a DIE-SEL 😐
If it still works no need to scrap the car
@@verygoodbrother Yeah, and climate change isn't real and happening now and isn't caused in a large part by ICE vehicles, not to mention all the people who aren't dying from diesel fumes...
To say Ford is competitive in EVs when they produce comparatively few and lose tens of thousands of dollars on each one is interesting.
Over a hundred, I've heard!
Ford was very late to this EV game.
if they would let Chinese EV's in the consumers will have tons of choices and would spurs EV adoption, its simple...if you only have Tesla to chose from...people will eventually get bored
Fully Charged is always happy to talk about consumer choice, but never the jobs that would be lost and communities devastated if automotive production is offshored from Europe and the US - it’s incredibly naive
Its not naive it is just how the world works. We went through the change in Australia from manufactoring cars. It was a shock but we moved on. The probem we see now is that it is a security issue. We have no big factories rready for uncertain times
Any news on Elon hitching his star to Donald?
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Nissan, Toyota, Mazda, GM, Stellantis, Ford, VW will all be broke…why? The sales crash in China
Does anyone feel yet, that if President Trump get's re-elected, The 7500.00 for new EV's and 4,000 IRS Federal taxable income credit, (for used EV's) is going be on much shakier
status, or is that benefit ultimately in a safe space, and not something a future President Trump can just ban by executive order one day?
The China thing is not just feelings. China imposed tariffs on Australian goods, saying we were flooding the market with cheap goods. The Courts ruled in our favour, but they did not remove the tarrifs. They destroyed the wine industry. Plus, they are supporting Russia in the war with Ukraine. Tarrifs are a way to impose sanctions on China to get them to help end the war.
The China trade war with Australia was more of a political stunt retribution for Australia stand stance on the investigation into the source of COVID-19 trade just happens to be a very convenient means to an end note that they soften their stand and relaxed that the various trade sanctions this year or last
@@chrisnewman7281Tarrifs increases the price to customers. They are inflationary. You really need a very good reason to impose them and a full understanding of all their effects. They do hurt your own people.
Australia was "pushing their buttons" over a "medical problem" and they responded in kind.
@@PaulineMing
So USA should learn from that?
@@chrisnewman7281 It's not just Australia. China also weaponized their market dominance in rare earth metal against Japan in 2010. China banned all foreign EV battery competitors and forced all foreign EV OEMs to use locally made batteries by local companies, eg CATL/BYD.. since 2015 to protect local EV battery makers and subsequently dominate the global EV supply-chain.
A petrol hybrid is the best way to go as these electric cars hitting the market at the moment present older technology compared to what is coming. The other point to mention is software, when plugging your electric car into a charger there is a great deal of software handshaking between charger and electric car. The first point is what size battery is your car and then what state of charge is the traction battery at. Of course before this you must provide the external charger with your account details so the charging costs can be charged to your account, so at this point the charging company know where you are in the country and pay per mile come to mind at this point as well. Now once the external charger has all this information it will decide what current is necessary to charge your car and this is a grey area so we hope that the software makers have this software sorted out and despite all the wonderful display data we don’t actually know how much current is being sent from the external charger to your electric car exactly. As we all know the higher the current the more heat is developed inside the battery traction pack and so the liquid cooling system must control the heat in software. To put petrol into a hybrid battery
car its just a case of opening the petrol flap putting the nozzle of the petrol pump into the petrol tank neck and fill the petrol tank up and then place the petrol pump nozzle back into its holder and close the petrol flap and pay for the petrol dispensed. All done in less than 5 min and no software involved.
Byd shark
The machine pumping the fuel still has to be authorised using software whether you pay at the pump or in the shop. The amount you pay is measured by software and your payment, even if you pay cash involves software. The dispensing of fuel involves software no matter what fuel it is.
@@stulop Thank you for your comments. Yes you are correct but I know that petrol is being dispensed and I know when the tank is full this is all under human control and in all only takes 5 min of my life. I don’t need a pastry or a coffee and a comfort break as well before the electric car traction battery is at least 80% charged which is at least 30 min of my life I can do something else and not wait around or queue up waiting for a charger to be free, Oh and by the way the charging operation of a hybrid is done using the manufacturers exclusive software only and has no external charger software intervention, so that’s very reassuring regarding the longevity of the small battery inside the hybrid car.
Petrol Hybrid cars make a great deal of sense at the moment and that’s why new cars sales hybrids are way out in front of electric car sales. It’s only the fleet management companies providing the bulk of new electric car sales. Private and second hand electric cars sales are not meeting expectations.
In the UK used EVs are selling quicker than ICE according to Auto trader@@alanhowemusic2457
@@oddjobsandrandomprojects Thank you for your comments. So sorry to hear of your experience regarding your Hybrid. Can I ask you what Hybrid you had problems with ?
Toyota 😆
Waited for the truth on EV tariffs... Never came
More like Walls… UH! What are they good for
Absolutely nothing 😂
Would not hold your breath ford making a profit on ev. They are not THAT committed.
Please invest in some decent audio gear and use a room that does not reflect sound. It’s not like you are new to production of podcasts. Your guest audio was great, but sadly Robert only 3/10.
Have you ever watched his prior videos?
Picky, picky. I heard every word.
Walls, what are they good for
Wall, huh good God y'all
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing, say it, say it, say it
Wall, huh Oh-ohh yeah, huh
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me
Bobby looking forward to seeing the Team in Australia 2025
Should go to china!
Robert's bad sound makes good video look bad. (Microphone input selection failure?)
Dosn't make any financial sense to buy or Lease an EV with the high price of Electricity here in CA, even at home ! Good luck with public charging. Might as well stick with Gas. At least they have a proven track record and lots of Infrastructure ! Give it up EV's have lost in America WE and I do not want one. Maybe a hybread so I NEVER EVER Have to waite behind 5 cars charging for 45 Min Each !
The lady knows MG has an EV named Cyberster….. subscribed……
Jim is friends with Elon
Jim is pragmatic and joined Ford when they were already in big trouble (October 2020) and is pragmatic, with big decisions to make.
Rule 1, don't upset the Big Dog in the segment.
Who is Jim?
Get the selfplug-in feature working like the robot vacuum cleaner.
$60 wall outlet and trickle currents all day long in every carpark space at every building.
Watch the grid owners cry every day the sun shines. 😮😅😅😊
Happy days, Hahaha Hahaha 😆
Nah, it'll help soak up the duck curve...
@gregbailey45 it will lower demand and cashflow.
Nobody understands how the grid makes dirt cheap electricity expensive electricity.
PV rooftop can make 24 hours of electricity in 4 hours.
Big oversized BV batteries parked 23 hours every day can soak up 72 hours of electricity.
With PV rooftop when the sun shines and the BV stores and trickle supplies, then the grid cash dies.
If the sun shines for 36 days, then the grid will lose 10% of its return on investment.
3 months of sunshine 25% lose of income. 6 months, 50% lose in cash flows. Income loss is serious.
Profit loss is disaster.
Nobody thinks.
Economic disaster for the grid economy.
Economic disaster for the real economy if CO2 emissions continue.
Economic disaster if the world went to nuclear electricity as resources to increase the grid capacity and BVs and CO2 emissions from mining and refining and smelting and.....
Economic disaster if every dictatorship has nuclear industries and military defence budgets explode.
Nobody thinks, and bs from those who know better.
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