Scroll though my videos I have Al kinds of loading videos, I explain everything out , I also have many repair videos too ! Thank you for watching ! You have any questions, leave them in the comments.
You’re very welcome, I have a lot of content showing how to load about anything along with a bunch of repair videos. If you have any questions just leave a comment, I answer all questions.
Your welcome !! I try to have a new video on every Friday morning if possible. If you need help figuring out the loading of anything, most generally I have a video on it . And I come back and answer all questions!!
You can get the metal coil racks at any truckstop or chrome shop , as for the lumber , I use white oak and had a saw mill make up the 4x4s with a small bevel for coils . Each board ran me $5 new . But I will tell you only use oak , anything else is to dangerous and will break while hauling coils .
Yes 10,000 per chain with a minimum of 2 chains on a coil . A rubber mat is to be used under the coil racks to prevent slipping. Coil facing eye to truck ( shotgun ) also has to have 1 chain or strap over the top of it . Eye to the side of trailer requires only chains thru eye , and not crossed ( x ) . Coil on a pallet facing eye to sky requires chains or straps over top , and a strap or chain in front and in back of coil to prevent from sliding forwards or backwards. This is basically the guide lines for a hauling coils by law .
Well this is kind of a trick question with a few answers. If you haul a small coil like 5000 pounder standup then you will need 3 4x4’s 2 on one side , side by side as a spacer . If you haul a coil about 45,000 pounds you will need 2 4x4’s with a bevel that is cut measuring from the corner in about 2 to 2 1/2 inches in evenly depending on how thick of rubber you use as a board liner . I use mud flaps , they hold up great and cover a large area so on my 4x4’s they are cut at 2 1/2 inches in from the corner. Now if your hauling large aluminum coils or larger heavy steel coils then I would cut 3 inches in . Now keep in mind any other wood but white oak is totally no good to haul coils with. And red oak has pits inside the wood so that’s no good either . This works with normal sized coil racks . Now if your normally hauling 60,000 pound coils or more I suggest stepping up to using 6x6’s and coil racks designed for 6x6’s . The best place to get your wood is a local saw mill that’s what I have always done , they can also bevel your wood for you while normally giving a much better price on your wood then a truck stop or chrome shop. I hope I have answered everything.
All these vids I see here-what is up with the suicide load ? I hauled flatbed back in the 90's-and I NEVER EVER once loaded them beast suicide. Yes-I hauled mostly step deck spread axle flats-but did occasionally pull a straight flat. The 1st. coil I hauled - way back in the summer of 1994-out of Algoma Steel in Sault Ste. Marie CN-weighed in at 46,000 pounds. Belly loaded that beat & loaded side to side-Algoma in those days WOULD NOT let you load it otherwise & you HAD to use their dunnage-beveled 4X4 oak. 7 chains & 2 straps. Delivered to a steel warehouse off the 294 in Midlothian IL. Hauled a bunch more over the years-NEVER loaded suicide.
Yeah if it’s ordered this way then that’s the only way a company will take it . Sometimes they give an option. It’s called a suicide coil due to how it’s loaded , if it breaks free then it’s going to roll thru the cab of the truck . You can get them all the way up to 80,000 pound single coils . That’s the largest I have seen .
I answer any questions, even if I do not have a video on it , and if I do not know the answer then I will try my best to find the answer. If I come up empty then I will tell you I do not have a clue .
But to this question , as many that can fit on the trailer and not being over a total gross truck , trailer , and load weight combined of 80,000 pounds . Basically coils come 3 different ways , laying down on a pallet with the hole in the middle facing towards the sky which is called ( eye to the sky ) . 2nd way is the coil is standing up and the hole is facing the cab of the truck ( this is called shotgun ) . 3rd way is the most dangerous to haul with the hole facing the sides of the trailer ( this is called suicide ) . The reason this is call suicide, is because if you have an accident to where the chains break the coil will roll though the cab of the truck , killing anyone inside . There is no limit on how many you can haul at one time . Also the eye to the sky style are stackable , but I try not to go much higher then 4 feet high per stack .
I have some experience hauling coils, but I might have been doing something wrong. Why do you put the rubber underneath the coil racks? Is that for traction? It definitely looks like an extra precaution over what I have seen, and never hurts to have extra safety
@@antoniooo357 usually, for one big one, center of trailer is safe, right above side marker light...but once loaded, u will want to scale it ASAP...then you will have a good idea if u can go a little more forward or back on the next one..
Steel coils are how sheets of steel are transported in larger quantities. So at the factories that receive these that simply roll out what they need and parts are stamped out as they go . Like car fenders , washing machine panels, really about anything
Great question ! For one as for securing goes , it really makes no difference . But instead of wasting time jumping back and forth on both sides , you have everything you need in one place . Also if you do not have to tarp a load , no matter what it is , its easier to look back and see if anything has come loose . when your making turns your looking in your mirrors anyway and instead of looking through a blind spot on the right side of the truck everything is on the left . And for those of you in different counties with right side drivers , if i were in your country driving that setup then yes i would put the binders on the right side of the trailer .
David Del Monte any major truck stop sales the coil racks for around $13,each , the 4x4’s are true size 4 inch x 4 inch x 8 feet long with a 2 inch deep 23 degree angle cut on one corner 8 feet long for the roundness of a coil . The wood is white oak , this is all you want to use , do not use pine or any other weak wood . I ordered 10 4x4’s from a saw mill , it cost $40 total . The rubber on the coil racks are old plastic and rubber mud flaps , they work great and last years.
I always go to a sawmill, a sawmill charges a fraction of the price as a normal store or truck stop . Mine were $5 each , true 4inch x 4inch measurements with a bevel on one corner , and made of White Oak .
We can only haul the coil as the company orders it . Most order suicide load , so a larger forklift can unload the coil from the side of the trailer just in case a crane is broken down . And some companies do not have docks to back into for a forklift to drive onto the trailer .
@@rumwilliam2767 loading shotgun can be just as dangerous..on/off ramps, big swooping turns can make coil want to roll off...I almost think suicide is safer cuz it seems more of the chain strength is focused on keeping it from rolling forward...aint gonna roll back..idk, just seems better
@@cablanchette1 I mean eye to the sky this would land you in court in the uk driver and operator let’s face it this way should not be allowed just like uk
The mat on the garage floor ? I just use it for the back of my truck on top of my bed liner for items that I can’t have sliding around . But I can’t leave it in there , because somebody would steel it . Same for the trailer hitch , unfortunately everything has to be locked down or taken off . In my area the local Walmart store is the worst for stealing .
Sorry lol just realized which mat you were referring too . Well that’s the way these coils are supposed to be hauled. I know most people do not do it , but I show how to do the proper way on my videos.
In usa 🇺🇸 they can be hauled hole to side , hole to front , or laying down flat on a pallet . Also we can drive 75 mph legally depending on the state we are in while hauling coils .
If you're hauling coil, you should check out The Cradle - it's on another level than those coil racks & 4x4s while still allowing for back-hauls. Check it out at milessecurement.com
Archer Royal omg ! Lol 😂 , the cradle is a great idea but the price 🤦🏻♂️, solid white oak true 4x4 sized is what I use and cost me $8 each . And that’s with the corner edge cut off for a coil .
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing Fair enough, but I wouldn't bet my life on $8. There's very little to stop inertia once that out-dated $8 system allows a roll to start (and it happens more often than it should). One accident costs many zeros more than a set of cradles. I bet insurance carriers would agree. I used to drive clean-up for these type of accidents. It's never pretty, always big damage (sometimes death), and they all involved your trusty $8 chain and pray setup. I had to get out of that job after the things I saw. All due respect, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
Archer Royal I haul heavy coils every day I’ve never had o coil move. If a coil is going to move it will move no matter how secure u have it. That setup won’t work if u haul multiple coils like 7 or more. That price is outrageous and not cost effective or time saving when your in line at a mill with 10 trucks behind you. Like you said agree to disagree
Here is the problems with the cradle . Most of the time your not just hauling 1 coil , sometimes yes . When you get called to haul 10 or more coils add the price up for the cradles . After you haul 10 coils with 10 cradles and your next load is lumber or something that takes up the whole deck of the trailer, where are you going to store them ? How many side boxes would you then need ? The reason people use white oak is because it’s very strong . 1. When people go and buy landscape timbers made out of pine that’s the problem. 2. When people are to lazy to do there job and do not use enough chains ⛓, that’s the problem . 3 . When people do not use enough coil racks to support the 4x4s that’s the problem. 4. When people are driving reckless that’s the problem.
Coils have been hauled on trailers for over 70 years . And coils are just one product , most wrecks are due to cars cutting off semi trucks , anybody that drives for a living knows this .
I do agree , that’s why I have coil kits built in . But in the real world most trucking companies do not educate the employees on the proper way to do anything, that’s a reason I do all these videos , to show people how to be safe and think about what they do before they do it.
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing you are clearly an experienced driver if we carried the coils like that in the uk there would be a death everyday as there are a lot of inexperienced and stupid drivers
@@rumwilliam2767 I remember watching the tv show top gear a few years back when they were driving a lorry with a trailer ( semi-truck ) and talking about how the speed is set at 55 mph in the uk for these vehicles which I believe is around 88 Km . Depending on which state I drive in , the normal speed limit on an interstate highway as we call them in the USA is normally 70 mph but go up to 80 mph legally depending on which state I cross into and like me I can legally haul 51,000 pounds at that speed . With the gearing on my truck I would be able to go over 100 mph no problem. So I can pick up 1 coil weighing 51,000 and drive at 80 mph in a few states . What makes it more dangerous is , that in the USA recap tires can be used , and at high speeds they explode. I myself refuse to use them . I only use 16 ply tires with an 85 mph speed rating . The standard is a 14 ply tire . A recap tire is a used tire that gets its tread shaved off and then it has a ring of tread glued over top . Not kidding . Trust me I see all kinds of dangers .
Getting back to the coils though there are reasons why I haul coils facing different directions on the trailer. 1. Is called a suicide coil . Means it can roll towards the cap of the truck and kill the driver when they wreck . 2. Is call shotgun . The coil is facing the side of the trailer. In a wreck the coil would spin and blow through anything around it . 3. Is called eye to the sky . It’s laid down on a pallet and metal bands secure the coil to the pallet . On a flatbed this is the safest way to haul coils . The problem is companies will load van ( box ) trailers . Well inside them they use a nail gun an nail the pallet to the floor and call it good . Sometimes not even that . So when a van trailer gets into a wreck the coils fall out the side of the trailers that are built with a thin layer of sheet metal and scatter all over the road . Then it gets worse , with drop and hook drivers , they may have no idea what they are hauling and can’t check the load because the company put a load lock on the door . If these get cut then the receiving company with reject the load . So noting gets checked . It’s crazy and the law .
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing that is crazy I’ve been Florida a few times and it’s wired to see the trucks going so fast I seen many bent in half on the side of the road do your trls have abs 100mph 😎
You never and I mean NEVER have to many chains. Extra chains can save your life. This man knows what he's doing. Safety always
That’s right !!!
Thanks,I just started flat bed 2 weeks in…I am learning a lot from these vids
That’s great !!! Thank you for watching !!! Let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks for the upload! Just started flatbed training and this helped give me a better idea on how to do things
Scroll though my videos I have Al kinds of loading videos, I explain everything out , I also have many repair videos too ! Thank you for watching ! You have any questions, leave them in the comments.
I’ve been out of flatbedding for awhile and want to go back thanks for be so informative.
You’re very welcome, I have a lot of content showing how to load about anything along with a bunch of repair videos. If you have any questions just leave a comment, I answer all questions.
We always had trailers that are purpose for reels with lift up centres.
Thanks for your video. Very helpful..
Your welcome !! I try to have a new video on every Friday morning if possible. If you need help figuring out the loading of anything, most generally I have a video on it . And I come back and answer all questions!!
Spray your binders with spray lubricant much less messy…don’t get dirty oil all over your deck.
Great video Scott!
Thank you very much !!!!
You can get the metal coil racks at any truckstop or chrome shop , as for the lumber , I use white oak and had a saw mill make up the 4x4s with a small bevel for coils . Each board ran me $5 new . But I will tell you only use oak , anything else is to dangerous and will break while hauling coils .
I'm getting back in to flatbedding... from what I can remember it is 10k lbs per chain right? please advise.
Yes 10,000 per chain with a minimum of 2 chains on a coil .
A rubber mat is to be used under the coil racks to prevent slipping.
Coil facing eye to truck ( shotgun ) also has to have 1 chain or strap over the top of it .
Eye to the side of trailer requires only chains thru eye , and not crossed ( x ) .
Coil on a pallet facing eye to sky requires chains or straps over top , and a strap or chain in front and in back of coil to prevent from sliding forwards or backwards.
This is basically the guide lines for a hauling coils by law .
Great job Boss!!
Comrade SF thanks !!!!
where was this picked up and dropped off?
What angle of a bevel do you use?
Well this is kind of a trick question with a few answers. If you haul a small coil like 5000 pounder standup then you will need 3 4x4’s 2 on one side , side by side as a spacer . If you haul a coil about 45,000 pounds you will need 2 4x4’s with a bevel that is cut measuring from the corner in about 2 to 2 1/2 inches in evenly depending on how thick of rubber you use as a board liner . I use mud flaps , they hold up great and cover a large area so on my 4x4’s they are cut at 2 1/2 inches in from the corner. Now if your hauling large aluminum coils or larger heavy steel coils then I would cut 3 inches in . Now keep in mind any other wood but white oak is totally no good to haul coils with. And red oak has pits inside the wood so that’s no good either . This works with normal sized coil racks . Now if your normally hauling 60,000 pound coils or more I suggest stepping up to using 6x6’s and coil racks designed for 6x6’s . The best place to get your wood is a local saw mill that’s what I have always done , they can also bevel your wood for you while normally giving a much better price on your wood then a truck stop or chrome shop. I hope I have answered everything.
All these vids I see here-what is up with the suicide load ? I hauled flatbed back in the 90's-and I NEVER EVER once loaded them beast suicide. Yes-I hauled mostly step deck spread axle flats-but did occasionally pull a straight flat.
The 1st. coil I hauled - way back in the summer of 1994-out of Algoma Steel in Sault Ste. Marie CN-weighed in at 46,000 pounds. Belly loaded that beat & loaded side to side-Algoma in those days WOULD NOT let you load it otherwise & you HAD to use their dunnage-beveled 4X4 oak. 7 chains & 2 straps. Delivered to a steel warehouse off the 294 in Midlothian IL.
Hauled a bunch more over the years-NEVER loaded suicide.
Yeah if it’s ordered this way then that’s the only way a company will take it . Sometimes they give an option. It’s called a suicide coil due to how it’s loaded , if it breaks free then it’s going to roll thru the cab of the truck . You can get them all the way up to 80,000 pound single coils . That’s the largest I have seen .
Where you delivered too was that main steel in Elk Grove Village?
No
I know this is a old video and I'm not a trucker but I want to ask how meny of those coils and can a truck like yours carry??
I answer any questions, even if I do not have a video on it , and if I do not know the answer then I will try my best to find the answer. If I come up empty then I will tell you I do not have a clue .
But to this question , as many that can fit on the trailer and not being over a total gross truck , trailer , and load weight combined of 80,000 pounds . Basically coils come 3 different ways , laying down on a pallet with the hole in the middle facing towards the sky which is called ( eye to the sky ) . 2nd way is the coil is standing up and the hole is facing the cab of the truck ( this is called shotgun ) . 3rd way is the most dangerous to haul with the hole facing the sides of the trailer ( this is called suicide ) . The reason this is call suicide, is because if you have an accident to where the chains break the coil will roll though the cab of the truck , killing anyone inside . There is no limit on how many you can haul at one time . Also the eye to the sky style are stackable , but I try not to go much higher then 4 feet high per stack .
I have some experience hauling coils, but I might have been doing something wrong. Why do you put the rubber underneath the coil racks? Is that for traction? It definitely looks like an extra precaution over what I have seen, and never hurts to have extra safety
Yes it is .
How do you know where to place the coils?
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing thank u..Ive been using them, and i can see how it would definitely help
@@antoniooo357 usually, for one big one, center of trailer is safe, right above side marker light...but once loaded, u will want to scale it ASAP...then you will have a good idea if u can go a little more forward or back on the next one..
What are they use it for Steel coil
Steel coils are how sheets of steel are transported in larger quantities. So at the factories that receive these that simply roll out what they need and parts are stamped out as they go . Like car fenders , washing machine panels, really about anything
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing ok
Why you have all the binders on one side??
Great question ! For one as for securing goes , it really makes no difference . But instead of wasting time jumping back and forth on both sides , you have everything you need in one place . Also if you do not have to tarp a load , no matter what it is , its easier to look back and see if anything has come loose . when your making turns your looking in your mirrors anyway and instead of looking through a blind spot on the right side of the truck everything is on the left . And for those of you in different counties with right side drivers , if i were in your country driving that setup then yes i would put the binders on the right side of the trailer .
Hello Scot, great video! I would like to buy a couple of cradles for steel coil, where can I get it?
David Del Monte any major truck stop sales the coil racks for around $13,each , the 4x4’s are true size 4 inch x 4 inch x 8 feet long with a 2 inch deep 23 degree angle cut on one corner 8 feet long for the roundness of a coil . The wood is white oak , this is all you want to use , do not use pine or any other weak wood . I ordered 10 4x4’s from a saw mill , it cost $40 total . The rubber on the coil racks are old plastic and rubber mud flaps , they work great and last years.
Hey where do you get the wood from?
I always go to a sawmill, a sawmill charges a fraction of the price as a normal store or truck stop . Mine were $5 each , true 4inch x 4inch measurements with a bevel on one corner , and made of White Oak .
Why not turn the coil the other way as we do in uk less chance of rolling
We can only haul the coil as the company orders it . Most order suicide load , so a larger forklift can unload the coil from the side of the trailer just in case a crane is broken down . And some companies do not have docks to back into for a forklift to drive onto the trailer .
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing scary 😧
@@rumwilliam2767 loading shotgun can be just as dangerous..on/off ramps, big swooping turns can make coil want to roll off...I almost think suicide is safer cuz it seems more of the chain strength is focused on keeping it from rolling forward...aint gonna roll back..idk, just seems better
@@cablanchette1 I mean eye to the sky this would land you in court in the uk driver and operator let’s face it this way should not be allowed just like uk
@@rumwilliam2767 I've never seen coils much over 14,000 lb go eye to the sky... Has anybody seen real big coils loaded eye to the sky?
Why the mat? New here.
The mat on the garage floor ? I just use it for the back of my truck on top of my bed liner for items that I can’t have sliding around . But I can’t leave it in there , because somebody would steel it . Same for the trailer hitch , unfortunately everything has to be locked down or taken off . In my area the local Walmart store is the worst for stealing .
Sorry lol just realized which mat you were referring too . Well that’s the way these coils are supposed to be hauled. I know most people do not do it , but I show how to do the proper way on my videos.
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing pretty sure it's the law in CA
Supposed to everywhere
In Europa è proibito trasportare i coils in questo modo
In usa 🇺🇸 they can be hauled hole to side , hole to front , or laying down flat on a pallet . Also we can drive 75 mph legally depending on the state we are in while hauling coils .
Thanks for watching!
If you keep your binders covered in WD-40 they should never rust
Open flatbed, so I’m always in rain .
34,320 lbs is the weight of the coil
That coil is 2.02 tons heavier than his truck
If you're hauling coil, you should check out The Cradle - it's on another level than those coil racks & 4x4s while still allowing for back-hauls. Check it out at milessecurement.com
Archer Royal omg ! Lol 😂 , the cradle is a great idea but the price 🤦🏻♂️, solid white oak true 4x4 sized is what I use and cost me $8 each . And that’s with the corner edge cut off for a coil .
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing Fair enough, but I wouldn't bet my life on $8. There's very little to stop inertia once that out-dated $8 system allows a roll to start (and it happens more often than it should). One accident costs many zeros more than a set of cradles. I bet insurance carriers would agree. I used to drive clean-up for these type of accidents. It's never pretty, always big damage (sometimes death), and they all involved your trusty $8 chain and pray setup. I had to get out of that job after the things I saw. All due respect, but we'll have to agree to disagree.
Archer Royal I haul heavy coils every day I’ve never had o coil move. If a coil is going to move it will move no matter how secure u have it. That setup won’t work if u haul multiple coils like 7 or more. That price is outrageous and not cost effective or time saving when your in line at a mill with 10 trucks behind you. Like you said agree to disagree
Here is the problems with the cradle . Most of the time your not just hauling 1 coil , sometimes yes . When you get called to haul 10 or more coils add the price up for the cradles . After you haul 10 coils with 10 cradles and your next load is lumber or something that takes up the whole deck of the trailer, where are you going to store them ? How many side boxes would you then need ?
The reason people use white oak is because it’s very strong . 1.
When people go and buy landscape timbers made out of pine that’s the problem.
2. When people are to lazy to do there job and do not use enough chains ⛓, that’s the problem .
3 . When people do not use enough coil racks to support the 4x4s that’s the problem.
4. When people are driving reckless that’s the problem.
Coils have been hauled on trailers for over 70 years . And coils are just one product , most wrecks are due to cars cutting off semi trucks , anybody that drives for a living knows this .
They shouldn’t be carried on a std flat trl
I do agree , that’s why I have coil kits built in . But in the real world most trucking companies do not educate the employees on the proper way to do anything, that’s a reason I do all these videos , to show people how to be safe and think about what they do before they do it.
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing you are clearly an experienced driver if we carried the coils like that in the uk there would be a death everyday as there are a lot of inexperienced and stupid drivers
@@rumwilliam2767 I remember watching the tv show top gear a few years back when they were driving a lorry with a trailer ( semi-truck ) and talking about how the speed is set at 55 mph in the uk for these vehicles which I believe is around 88 Km . Depending on which state I drive in , the normal speed limit on an interstate highway as we call them in the USA is normally 70 mph but go up to 80 mph legally depending on which state I cross into and like me I can legally haul 51,000 pounds at that speed . With the gearing on my truck I would be able to go over 100 mph no problem. So I can pick up 1 coil weighing 51,000 and drive at 80 mph in a few states . What makes it more dangerous is , that in the USA recap tires can be used , and at high speeds they explode. I myself refuse to use them . I only use 16 ply tires with an 85 mph speed rating . The standard is a 14 ply tire . A recap tire is a used tire that gets its tread shaved off and then it has a ring of tread glued over top . Not kidding . Trust me I see all kinds of dangers .
Getting back to the coils though there are reasons why I haul coils facing different directions on the trailer.
1. Is called a suicide coil . Means it can roll towards the cap of the truck and kill the driver when they wreck .
2. Is call shotgun . The coil is facing the side of the trailer. In a wreck the coil would spin and blow through anything around it .
3. Is called eye to the sky . It’s laid down on a pallet and metal bands secure the coil to the pallet . On a flatbed this is the safest way to haul coils . The problem is companies will load van ( box ) trailers . Well inside them they use a nail gun an nail the pallet to the floor and call it good . Sometimes not even that . So when a van trailer gets into a wreck the coils fall out the side of the trailers that are built with a thin layer of sheet metal and scatter all over the road . Then it gets worse , with drop and hook drivers , they may have no idea what they are hauling and can’t check the load because the company put a load lock on the door . If these get cut then the receiving company with reject the load . So noting gets checked . It’s crazy and the law .
@@Starkeyfamilyfixing that is crazy I’ve been Florida a few times and it’s wired to see the trucks going so fast I seen many bent in half on the side of the road do your trls have abs 100mph 😎