Swytch vs. 100G - which is the best e-bike conversion kit?
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- Опубликовано: 2 июл 2024
- I have been using my Swytch Pro kit for two years now and so when I was asked to compare it to a rival, I felt I could offer a well-informed opinion and jumped at the chance!
In this video, I will take you through the Geeko kit from 100G and see how it stacks up against arguably the market leader, Swytch, both in terms of functionality and aesthetics. I hope you find my insights useful in helping you choose the right kit to transform your favourite bike into an e-bike.
If you want to learn more about either of these kits, place an order for a Geeko kit or join the waiting list for a Swytch kit, click on the below links and explore their websites. Both offer lots of information and insights into the hardware and the technology behind them.
Geeko have also sent me an exclusive code for you to use when placing an order, giving you $60 off the price! Just enter "Paul-60" at checkout!
Geeko - Front:
www.100g.tech/product/geeko-f...
Swytch:
www.swytchbike.com
Neither of these links contains affiliate associations and I earn nothing from any subsequent purchases made by clicking the links.
For clarity, I paid for the Swytch kit shown in the video with my own money, whilst I received the Geeko kit free of charge from the suppliers with the intention of providing an honest and unbiased comparison review, which I believe I have done here. I was not paid for the review.
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction
00:48 Unboxing
04:32 First Impressions
12:54 Riding Tests
16:41 Conclusion 
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This was pa very good video, informative, straightforward, hit on all the right points I wanted to know about. Thank you so much for making and sharing the video. On a side note, I’m from the US, your accent was just great! Thanks again.
Glad you enjoyed the video - and the accent. I hope it helped you make an informed choice for your bike.
Paul. You review scientifically; thanks for that. You give solid facts in your comparison, which is what future customers need before buying. Now June 2023, I face a key buying decision; and your videos are helping me make an informed decision. Steven, Utah, USA
Glad I could be of service, Steven. Hope you make the right choice for you.
Great detailed real world comparison. I'm close to jumping on converting our bikes but without being able to test ride I'm reliant on reviews
Glad it was helpful! I am sure you will enjoy the modified bike. In the meantime, get yourself to a bike shop and try an e-bike - pretty much all of them are rear motor models but you'll get the gist. Enjoy!
Great review. Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
I have the Geeko rear kit, it’s way neater to install as you don’t need the crank sensor. Works well, pleased I bought it.
Great to hear! I received one over the weekend and that will be my next video - pretty excited about it! After that, I am going to wire both at the same time and see how that goes! Really can't wait for that one!
I can’t comment on other people’s experiences, but I ordered a 100G (rear wheel) kit on the strength of: a, this review, and b, the fact that I’d lost confidence in Swytch after months of waiting and the numerous bad reviews. The Geeko kit arrived when they said it would, every email query has been answered promptly and accurately, unlike Swytch who took days and then didn’t answer the question, and so far it’s been great fun. It’s got me out again after an annoying illness and the battery has enough juice to get me to the coast and back (about 45 miles) with capacity to spare, which is all I could have asked for. It’s a kit after all, a kit to put on your existing bike, in my case an old 90s MTB, so I wasn’t expecting a great deal, but it’s surpassed my expectations. Thanks Paul for the discount code. 👍
Excellent news! Thanks for taking the time to share.
Great comparison. Love the „chains off“test.😂
As a former Swytch owner, I fully agree with the up- and downsides of the kit and the business model.
In addition, long term users (previous series) seem to have issues with controller defects (so did I) which usually happen outside of the warranty window.
I think the Swytch is better suited to a Brompton (because where would you put the „bottle“?), the Geeko is certainly a better fit on a standard bike.
I agree - and thanks for taking the time to comment. I appreciate it.
Nice review of the 2 units :)
For chain free starting off, look at how cycle speedway riders start off :)
I currently have 2 Swytch Gen 2 Pro installs, Brompton and Hybrid, which run great. My only concern is when the battery cells fail, and they will eventually, how I replace them.
Hopefully some bright spark will bring out an adapter kit so I can use something like the Geeko battery instead.
100% 100G. The business model of the swytch kit does my head in. Good review 👍
Thanks 👍
I just signed a 6-month lead on the new frame-mounted Swytch, the prices are all over the place as you note but the long wait made it £380.
Great reviewing thanks a lot.
You’re welcome. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
You can use a side entry bottle cage on the seat tube, thus clearing the battery on the down tube.
Perfect! Thanks.
The people at 100G flinching every time he says "Just like the swytch" lol 🙂
Concur with the delivery time. Ordered mine in April and finally received all the parts in December. Ordered the new Max. So far so good. I only use it when needed. I am also concerned if and when the battery does fail, how long it will take to order and receive another one. I like the idea of a Shark Tank inventor creating an adaptor for any kind of power cell to be used.
A bit more universal adaptability would certainly be good. Enjoy your kit!
Great informative video, took my Swytch bike with the Max power pack out yesterday for the first time, power on all the time, inicially very impressed, but after about 7 -8 miles my motor was cutting out intermittently and coming on again after a few seconds especially on hills. I first thought that the censor or magnets may have been covered in mud as it has been very wet, then i thought the disk may be slipping, not turning all the time, but i don,t think so. Maybe i am expecting too much as there was some steep hills i this ride, another thing no one has mentioned is when free wheeling down the other side a hill the motor is acting like a magnetic brake unless you switch the power off. Only one ride so far so time will tell. I wonder why they didn't design the power pack to fit on a rack over the back wheel out of the way. Having another Max power pack to change over to double the range may be a good idea or just save the power for the hills.
I do think the range claims are a little on the optimistic side.You need to get into the habit of only using the motor when gravity is not on your side - it'll give you the best chance of longer range, even if it is a bit of a pain turning it on and off.
You're a sucker for buying swytch. Overpriced crap! Typical British company.
Hello Paul, very good video, covered almost everything, just one thing...did you have to pay any import duties or VAT on the Geeko kit ?
Thanks very much. I received the kit for free so I can’t speak from first hand experience but they have assured me that no additional costs are incurred for importing.
Great video.
Can you do one with a Copenhagen Wheel please
I had to Google that one and it looks to have been discontinued, I’m afraid.
Thank you for the detailed review. At 6:40 you mention the pedal assist sensor for the swytch was left on with the 100G kit and you mention that bike had no gap. Does that mean the 100G definitely would not fit around that crank or would just be a terrible fit. It looks like you can get the wheel with a quick release which I don't think the swytch does. Also with anything being imported I'm always a little worried that any import tax and duties would offset the initial cheaper cost.*
Do you know what specific model you tested? I can't find a 250W version with a thumb throttle. Only one without, or higher watt motors with throttle. And there doesn't seem to be an option to add it as an seperate extra.
*Import tax included in price apparrently.
Morning. I did leave the pedal sensor from there Swytch on the 100G kit because it did seem to be a better fit for my particular bike. The Geeko version fitted the other bikes in the house without any issue but, for some reason, mine simply didn't have this gap in the crank. Not sure why but it is a few years old so is probably the exception rather than the rule.
I haven't looked into the quick release element of the front wheel but it is a really good point, as the wheel has the motor and would be a coupe of quid to replace. Might not be fun to carry around but definitely worth bolting to your frame.
Regarding the import element, 100G assure me that all taxes and duties are taken care of as part of the price you pay - I had no issues.
Lastly, regarding the throttle, send them an email - they're a helpful team and will point you in the right direction, I'm sure. Enjoy the kit, if you go ahead - it's very impressive.
Actually I think when I signed up for Swytch, they did list the prices. Yes the wait is insane but the alternative is to ramp up prices, which would be worse, in my opinion. The reason I preferred swytch over more standard conversion kits (and even ebikes) is that its miniature design and low weight. The new battery appears to fit into a large pocket. This Geeko bottle looks a lot bulkier. A question: did you feel this difference in weight distribution? Thanks!
Thanks for your comment.
I did find the move of the weight of the battery from the handlebars to the frame definitely positive impacted how the bike rode. Weighted handlebars take some getting used to, where as a slightly heavier frame does not.
The Geeko battery locks to the frame so I would be OK leaving it attached to the frame when the bike is locked up, albeit not for long just in case a thief sees it as a challenge. As a result, the bulkiness of the battery is not important. The Swytch has not got the option to leave the unit on the bike.
I still really rate my Swytch kit, but I preferred the set up of the Geeko.
You had to use the sensor bracket from the swytch kit to fit your bike. Were you able to find an option from Geeko that would finally work on your bike?
To be honest, I haven't tried. The solution worked so I stuck with it. I did, however, look at our other bikes and the Geeko solution would have worked a treat on them. I think my bike is the anomaly in all this.
I’m shopping this style kit. My choice is the 100G, not able to do a front wheel hub, due to no go with mounting PAS on my gear case. With that said, lm told the PAS is inside the 100G rear hub, so I’m good with a fear mount! But, I’m putting onto a beach cruiser, tire width 2.125. Told by 100G that their wheel can accommodate a tire 1.5 to a 2.125 tire. Wheel height on my cruiser is 26 inch. I’m Not sure I’m going to like this thin of a wheel on a beach cruiser? Your thoughts on the 100G wheel size for a cruiser, my cruiser. Also, my bike has traditional brakes with pads that squeeze the side of the wheel rim to stop? Thanks for your thoughts!
Tomm in central Fl.
Hi. I have to admit that my knowledge on the product and the suitability for bikes other than my own is pretty minimal. The guys at Geeko are far better equipped to offer useful answers.
They are actually sending me a rear wheel kit to test shortly, so I’ll share my findings on the hardware soon. I’m then going to connect both the front and the back kits in tandem to create a two wheel drive e bike. Looking forward to that one!
Thanks for your objective review. I'm still considering what to do, as with me being an occasional cyclist I'm worried that the battery packs on any e-bike kit stuff up due to lack of use or infrequent charging. I'm assuming, rightly or wrongly that most of these packs are full of 18650s and can they be re-celled or do you pay as much again for a new pack and can you still get the same pack a couple of years down the line ?
Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
My Swytch kit battery is indeed essentially a bag full of 18650s, but their newer batteries might be a little harder to access (mine literally has a zip around the top to access whereas the new ones look like sealed plastic units). As for the Geeko unit, it is a sealed metal unit and not so easy to get into, so I can't easily verify the battery type.
Regarding the battery capacity fading over time, it will happen, I assume, but I have had my Swytch kit for a couple of years and don't use it all that often at all. Despite this, the range doesn't seem to be degrading to a level which I have noticed or been impacted by. The Geeko is too young to be able to judge.
Hope this helps alleviate your concerns a little.
Good work and thoroughly done thanks. But what about waterproof durability for the commuter with out a car?
I needed the new swytch battery reviewed it's not fair to judge a used swytch older kit to the new G100 set up and you noted that too.
You sold me on the G100 when you stated I have no clue when the kit will arrive.
Thanks for the positive feedback - much appreciated.
Both kits claim to have water resistance and I have not seen anything to suggest otherwise in my use so far. The motors in the hubs are sealed units and the connecting cables should not present a problem if pointing down when installed (which I did not initially but have since remedied). The only exposed connections on the Geeko kit are under the battery, where it plugs in so there is ample protection, and the Swytch battery is in a rubberised unit so ought to be fine. The updates Swytch kit is all plastic, I believe, so should be equally weather resistant.
Sadly at 100mm not narrow enough for a Brompton.
And no bottle holder fixings.
Great review, thanks for sharing.
No reply necessary.
Hi Paul, would you mind advising on the best config (100G) for Dahon D8 Mariner 20” wheels. Kind regards
Hi. I am not best qualified to assist you but the guys are 100G are very helpful. Here is their WhatsApp number for you to ask them: +8613022528815
I'm curious you talk of the US price to UK price of the Geeko kit and mentioned the shipping cost but not the VAT / import duties.
There are none to pay. All duties were covered into the UK. Admittedly I can only talk about the UK so not sure about anywhere else.
Thank you for the video. Please change how you mount the motors on both kits : the power cable should drop down from the motor before turning through 180 degrees to go up the fork. Any other orientation is asking for water to enter and destroy the motor. The Switch throttle appears to be a pretty common and cheap e-scooter throttle available on line for about ten pounds. I have an adapted one on my Nano Brompton and in standard form its awful.
I am reinstalling it for a new rear versus front conversion kit video which I'm shooting at the moment - thanks for the heads up!
Just wondering have you tried the easi-fit kit
I haven't - not familiar with them. Just had a quick google and they certainly look good, with multiple battery options for range (immediately better than Swytch's limited options. Should they ever send me a test model, I'll certainly give it a go, but I'm happy with Geeko until then.
I'm tempted to get one, but I imagine I'd like to swap back to pure analog every so often. Could you comment on how much worse your bike is assuming you swap back your old wheel and lose the battery and if you keep the wheel but lose the battery for a ride? How much weight / resistance are you adding with the controller / bottleframe etc.?
Hi. There is a little resistance but it is not overly noticeable on either of these kits. You can easily leave the wheel with the motor in the hub on the bike, leave the battery at home and ride as normal. The versatility to choose is one of the advantages, in my view.
@@PaulsViewsReviews Super helpful! Do you often ride battery less?
@@rao_v Yes, sometimes. It’s good to have the option to leave the added weight at home.
the cable coming out of the hub on the Swytch should be angled down . according to the manual
Very true - now modified during the filming of my latest video comparing the front conversion kit and rear conversion kit (coming soon). Thanks.
I chose the Geeko kit, no regrets.
Good to hear - must say, I'm a fan now.
If I lived in the UK, I would have definitely gone for switch, if only because they are subject to UK consumer law. Even as an Australian I think there might be some benefit in dealing with a UK based company, although probably only slight.
I do prefer to deal with UK companies for this reason, even though all production is in China.
Tsdz2 and 20ah battery, under £500, really good kit, mid drive and easy fit
I’ll have to have a look. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
From America, regarding taxes and import duties, what is the total costs to get it into the UK?
For Swytch, I don’t know. For the Geeko kit, I believe import costs are covered. Reach out to them and confirm - they’re very helpful.
They need a dual hub (2 wheel) version with larger capacity battery for more range and speed, plus the aesthetic of having the same wheels would be a bonus.
They have it. Check out my latest video where I review that very thing.
Hi Paul great review! I wondered if you could advise. I have the same Swytch kit as you although the less powerful battery. I'm getting on so I thought I'd upgrade to a lighter battery and that bottle battery looks great. Here's the question. Could I use the100g battery on my Swytch setup? Just buying the battery and fitting, yours hopefully Tony
ps using the Swytch wheel and sensors. btw I didn't see break sensors with this kit?
Hi. That is an interesting question. In both the case of the Swytch kit and the Geeko kit, the brains are in the battery and mount, making the motor essentially 'dumb'. I will try and have a look to see if it would work and come back to you.
I don't use brake sensors, by the way, as I would stop pedalling to deactivate the cadence sensor if I am braking anyway.
Would be really interested if Switch wheel could be used with Geeko battery and controller (have Swytch pro kit like yours but battery and/or controller failed - Swytch 1 year warranty & poor customer service for the price and wait time - not going back for more)
@@hylandp It can! I tried! The throttle isn’t compatible but the rest is.
@@PaulsViewsReviews you are a star !!! So connectors are compatible? Just plug and go ??? Geeko controller and battery look better engineered and longer warranty
swytch needs a deal from the shark tank. they could blow this business up.
If the number of pre-orders which their website claim is accurate, they seem to be doing ok as it is. I do think the business model could be improved though, as uncertain waiting times are a real frustration..
@@PaulsViewsReviewsactually I think when I signed up for Swytch, they did list the prices. Yes the wait is insane but the alternative is to ramp up prices, which would be worse, in my opinion. The reason I preferred swytch over more standard conversion kits (and even ebikes) is that it is miniature design and low weight. The new battery appears to fit into a large pocket. This Geeko bottle looks a lot bulkier. A question: did you feel this difference in wait distribution? Thanks!
I placed the Swytch order in September and the delivery was due in December which I had paid for £1194. But after 4 weeks of delay, I was forced to cancel the order despite asking to arrange my own delivery from Norwich. People used to say the wait was up to 1 year, but I did not believe in them. I actually broke down in tears today when I received the email confirming my cancellation because my commute takes 4 hours from one city to the neighbouring city and I desperately needed the e-bike converter kit. However, having watched this video, I became hopeful again. The most important thing in life is to make oneself and others happy and you made me so happy today with this video. Hope I won't go through the same trauma with this 100G that a I had with Swytch.
Really glad I could help. I think you'll be really happy with the 100G - and I'm sure you'll get it in a timely manner.
The 100G website offers batteries in Ah, example…
36V7.8AH / 36V10AH. And. 36V15AH / 48V10AH
You said your battery was 280Wh?
Which battery did you have? Please remind us of range you experienced?
Thanks
Hi. The Wh measurement is calculated by multiplying the voltage (v) by the Amp/hours (Ah), meaning the 36V 7.8Ah battery is the 280Wh. Swytch display capacity as Wh so I converted the Geeko for easier comparison.
For this test, I had the battery on full power going up and down some nasty hills. It lasted 15 miles but was not fully charged at the beginning, as I had already conducted some tests. Therefore, Geeko's estimate of about 30km/18.6miles seems about right to me.
@@PaulsViewsReviews thanks for the info! Helps a lot.
Welcome to the UK! Everything is illegal!
We are more than a little restricted here, aren't we?!
Was so looking forward to getting the Geeko 100G after waiting 6 weeks but the motor wheel (front version) is too small. I have 27.5” wheels. It says so on the receipt from the bike shop! They said I should have clicked on the 29” button when I ordered. The ISO measure is 622mm. So my original wheel is 25” without the tyres. They sent me one which is 23.5”. On what planet is a 23.5” wheel 29”. Anyway whoever is right make absolutely sure you send a photo of the tyre measurements and measure your wheel exactly and tell them when you order. Have had no luck in getting a replacement. Their customer service is awful. Now they’re saying they don’t deal with their European warehouse anymore and need to find a new one. So I’d have to pay shipping back to China and back again for the replacement. As for the 7 day refund policy they said it doesn’t apply because I opened the packaging! What kind of policy is that? How can I tell if everything is right without opening the packaging? So I’m not saying don’t buy it. The kit looks good. But make damn sure you measure up the way they say and if in doubt contact them first.
Hope you get it sorted. Thanks for the advice.
We apologise for any inconvenience caused by the wheel diameter. With regard to wheel diameters, we offer standard models. The figures for tyre diameters can usually be found on the tyres and there is no need to read articles on the internet to measure them, which can easily be wrong.
In emails we have been proactive in providing solutions, which we offer below.
1. find a local bike shop and re-assemble the wheel.
2. return the kit or wheel, just make sure it shows no signs of use or handling.
For reasons of cost and time, we recommend the first option. However, we also accept the option of returning the product.
In the end you choose the first option. Regarding the reassembly of the wheel, please feel free to contact us if you have any questions, such as what length of spokes to choose.
In response, you initially told me the 7 day refund policy didn’t apply because I had opened the packaging! I have proof of this in an email. You later said you will accept a return, which is too late because I am paying a bike shop £100 to make up a new wheel. Also your website still refers to the possibility of shipping to or from your European dealers which would be cheaper but you then said you’re not dealing with them any more so I would have to pay shipping and customs costs to China. This needs to be clear to customers when they order. As for the wheel size, not all customers are experts in bike mechanics. The ONLY 100% accurate way of measuring wheel size is the ISO measure - the diameter of the wheel only, not the tyre which could be any thickness. The advice on your website is not detailed enough. Finally, any good company in a competitive market would at least make an offer for compensation. You believe this is all my fault. But I have pointed out that your ordering process is not good enough and needs to be improved. @@100gsmarttech4
@@michaeldemetriou3365 In our 7 day refund policy it states that it applies to "unworn or unused" returns as long as there is no sign of use.
But still, thank you for your suggestion and we will improve our ordering process.
You are wasting your time with them. They take your money, then refuse to help when things go faulty. They call you a liar when you complain.
100g where's the add line to website
In the description. Don’t forget to use the discount code from the video!
It looks like the throttle on the Switch kit is meant to be fitted on the left side
I think you may be right - could be a schoolboy error on my part, though it is still too bulky.
@@PaulsViewsReviews yes it is very bulky for a much hyped kit... and these things happen to all of us
Good morning Paul, great video, very helpful thanks.
I'd ordered my Swytch kit then saw the Geeko, suggested by a guy on Swytch Facebook page 😊
I've a 2010 Trek Fuel full sus carbon bike I want to convert, being 71, I need the comfort 😊 but no space for the magnet ring between the crank arm/bottom bracket, it's all very tight there. How did you install that magnet ring, as you mentioned you had no space either? I'd appreciate your insight. Sadly cannot consider the Geeko option as no room for the battery due to the rear suspension in the frame triangle😢
Cheers for now.
Firstly, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
The Swytch kit actually has the best kit for fitting the front cadence sensor, as the ring is attached to an adjustable arm which you connect to your pedal crank with tie clips. You get the position right with a small allen/hex key and it totally alleviates the space issue.
I don't think you'll have an issue installing it at all. Enjoy the ride!
@@PaulsViewsReviews I cancelled the Swytch kit, plus everything's on hold as I'm having my hip replaced again in November...😳
Hi Paul, my earlier reply has disappeared ! 😕Thank you for your reply, I appreciate it. I'm still planning to try and convert my Trek Fuel EX 9.9 2010 bike, using the 100g. tech Geeko kit, I'd been chatting to them and they can send their prototype pedal sensor with the kit, I'll try and send the info too you, plus an image of my Trek bike if you'd be interested. Thanks again Paul, your videos are a great help mate 👍
@@brianday52 Delighted to be able to help - and hope the operation goes smoothly!
I would be interested to see the updated prototype kit. I do like the Geeko guys - they keep striving to improve, which is always nice to see.
Remember most bikes arent built to take the extra torque /power get a ebike torque arm please!!!
Pretty sure when it says thumb throttle it’s as the name implies and it is meant for the rider to PRESS the lever forward with the thumb. In short, it seems to me that you have installed the throttles in a wonky position.
Hi. I agree but, as shown in the video, it is virtually impossible to put it near your thumb without making the brake lever and the gear switcher impossible to use. The Geeko is infinitely better than the Swytch version, though. The Swytch really was designed on the assumption that you were fitting it to a bike with no gears. Really odd, as they got so much right.
@@PaulsViewsReviews Nothing wrong with the design as it's intended to be installed on the left not the right. Get a grip!
the concept is excellent but at the management level, by being cashed 8 months before delivery, they are making a lot of money on your back, there is no reason for them to improve the system!
I bought the 2022 model, it is more compact, it is advertised for 35 km but I have never exceeded 20 km with it.
Very true. Disappointing about your range, though.
Swytch V2 owner here. The kit was ordered on May. Arrived last Friday. Wife is happy with her “new” bike.
As you said, the Swytch model is frustrating, I was to ask for the money back several times because all the delays. Also, they haven't advertisement for a consumer product like this. Their RUclips (Only standard ads from months ago), Reddit, other social media, no ambassadors, nothing.
I have nothing to say about the quality, is top-notch but I hope they can change the model. They have so amazing kit that they can partner with some bicycle companies to make Swytch bikes ready. Like MIPS is doing with the bike helmet industry.
Totally agree - it's an impressive product with a flawed business model.
Don't go with Swytch. They cannot deliver their product. My kit was supposed to arrive in March 2023. When it didn't arrive by April, I opened my first support ticket. Swytch told me the order was delayed due to the warehouse taking inventory for 2 weeks. The order tracking page was updated to show a mid-April expected delivery. 2+ weeks later and no update - so I opened my second support ticket. This time I was told that the warehouse was backed up and could not ship more that 180 units per business day and that they sold 5000 units. The tracking page was updated to show an early May expected delivery. Another 3 weeks went by with no updates so I opened my third support ticket and was told to be patient that the delivery was further delayed. I looked today and the expected delivery is now mid-June. After waiting 9 months to just place an order, I am now waiting another 9 months after giving them my money - and delivery is delayed over and over.
It is always disappointing to her stories like this. I hope you receive it soon.
I wish I could afford an e-bike not a cheap one that won't last.
So far, so good because the base bike is solid as a rock. The kit is only as good as the bike you put it on, after all.
The price of either is dearer than a ready to roll e bike, i dont see why people with no experience should pay more. Instead of buying ready made cheaper. Aldi sells a ebike for $850 au.
There are more and more inexpensive ebike options appearing each month and it comes down to what you want and what you can afford. If you already have a bike, with great components and you love it, an e-bike conversion is a great idea. If you starting from scratch, an out-of-the-box bike is a great solution. Each to their own.
THERES A FLAW with your tests, the motors are controlled by a microchip which decides how much torque and so on, this basically effects the power and how fast the motor burns out. less torque=longer life. So to compare the two kits, you would have to make sure that they both were using the same settings for their microcontrollers.
True enough but beyond my technical capabilities to be 100% certain of consistency, to be honest.
I have both kits tuned to their maximum performance at all times, just so I am getting the most they have to give (even if it is potentially detrimental to their life span). This is probably the closest I can get to a like for like and exactly what a consumer buying either product would experience, which is hopefully useful to a viewer considering either kit.
Not a flaw, because these are drop in kits and absolutely should be compared out of the box.
If he was comparing motors and controllers sure then you would want to know how configurable the settings can be. But that isn't a valid comparison here as they are drop in kits that you won't be mixing and matching the motor, controller, battery like you would if you sourced parts for your own build.
Avoid Swytch! They have had my money for two years. I'm still waiting for a 9mm wheel to fit my old MBT. 61 emails later I'm having to threaten legal proceedings to get a refund.
It is a questionable business model for the consumer, even if it is great for them. Two years without a product is terrible - disappointing to hear. I like the product but have been underwhelmed by any service interactions I've had with them. I hope you get your case settled.
@@PaulsViewsReviews Miracles can happen. After writing to them threatening to issue legal proceedings, without further notice, my 9mm wheel has arrived!
Fancy that! Good to hear - enjoy!
"Cool looking wheel" rly? Its cheapest low quality Chinese wheel.
No issues so far, and it's carrying a fair amount of weight on uneven terrain. I couldn't ask for more from it so far! Chinese doesn't automatically mean bad; it can mean high volume and, therefore, a well evolved product. It's naive to award detrimental assumptions based on the country of manufacture.
All of these conversation kits are just ripping people off! £500+?. You can buy a decent ebike just a £100 more. They're just greedy baskets.
I think the key is if you like your existing bike so much that you want to keep it but want, or maybe need, the extra boost from a battery and motor.
However, if you are looking for a new bike and want e-bike functionality, I would definitely suggest buying a ready built e-bike over buying a new 'regular' bike and converting it.
Im looking to buy a normal bike and convert it. Having owned an e-bike, I’ve decided that I no longer want to own a bike that will be obsolete in just a few years. With a normal bike I can just upgrade the kit every few years.
The problem with most eBikes: the gears are very limited, usually 7-speed in a narrow range (14-28t), really designed for the motor to be used almost all of the time. And they’re very heavy! Based on this review, I’ll be installing a Geeko kit on my new lightweight Marin bike with 1x10 gearing - sufficient gearing to climb the steepest hills without assistance, if I need to. I intend to pedal most of the time unaided, so I don’t degenerate into a lazy fat old fart.
@@traviskelly4941 when you have a motor you don't need to use you're own effort. Plus you can always purchase a cheaper DIY conversion than feeding these crooks. Just buy a lightweight bike and convert it with a basic kit is still better what these greedy companies have to offer.
@@HDsharp If you're not going to pedal, why get an eBike? Might as well get an eScooter or eMotorbike, something without pedals. Technically, we're talking about a form of moped. I want to use my pedals for more than a footrest. The kit suppliers are only crooks if their products don't work, and most of the better ones do. Wheel build with motor, controller, PAS sensor, battery, throttle, wires, display -- worth $500 to me over trying to Frankenstein my own kit.
100G are the most unhelpful company I have ever had the displeasure of dealing with. Their so called customer support is there to stop you making any claim on faulty goods. They even called me a liar for making a claim with photo and video evidence. They said the photos and videos showed nothing and blame me for being unable to switch the bike power on. They then sent two videos to show me how to switch the bike on😂 the videos are marked as private. This lot are con artists. Believe me you couldn’t make it up. Avoid at all costs.
That’s sad to hear. My experiences have been nothing but positive, though I appreciate my relationship with them was also different.
@@PaulsViewsReviews Just hope it doesn’t go faulty. They will blame you if it does and call you a liar. You can take heart though as they told me their products never fail.
In our email correspondence with Mr. James Corrigan, we have been actively trying to resolve this issue. After our pleading, James Corrigan provided the only video available, but in it he covered the key area with his finger so we could not see the product at all.
Later, we provided two videos showing Mr. James Corrigan how to take clear videos so we could find the problem. We repeatedly asked Mr. James Corrigan for the videos in each of our emails, but Mr. James Corrigan consistently refused to do so.
We are engineers, not debaters, and we need to solve problems with actions. Without video and further cooperation, we will not be able to resolve the issues raised by James Corrigan with only verbal arguments.
Below are two of our sample videos showing how to take a clear video of turning on Geeko Battery display:
ruclips.net/user/shorts5z7H9VsIaTI
ruclips.net/user/shortsyVOkg8Guabc
@@100gsmarttech4 It would not matter what I sent you as you do not honour your warranty. Since when did photos and videos tell lies! There is no warranty. It’s a lie. You take the money then refuse to deal with faults.
Hi I bought the Geeko kit and it's really dangerous and decadent. As soon as it rains, it short-circuits. Money wasted!
That’s sad to hear. I’ve not experienced such problems but I hope you took it up with Geeko and got a resolution.
Hello, thank you for your feedback, we welcome your objective and unbiased opinion. Regarding this issue, I believe the part sent to you should have been received and resolved the issue. I hope Geeko will be a good companion for your journey.
Dear Paul!
I know you’re busy, so I’ll keep this brief, GIN X, a world’s cheapest 250W commuter&mountain fat tire e-bike at just 999 £, is just released.
I thought this would be of interest to you, as you’ve recently made reviews about technology, vehicle in particular. Here are the key points of GIN X:
cheapest 250W commuter&mountain fat tire e-bike with premium features equivalent to an industry average e-bike worth £1449 in the UK;
bafang brushless motor, Hydraulic brakes, Shimano Altus derailleur, 615 Wh battery (110 Kms range!) are just few to name.
we have ensured that the frame suits both the riders - daily office goers as well as weekly mountain hiking.
Below is the full press release. Please don’t hesitate to contact me if you would like any more information or if you would like to speak to the team directly. We would like to give you our GIN X e-bike for review and would love to hear feedback from you.
I know you must be super busy, so I will follow up with you in case you missed this.
All the best
marina.vlasenko@ginebikes.com
+44 74357 18906
www.ginebikes.com/
Looks cool - I've emailed you directly!
Your bike seems awesome, you should make some posts on reddit maybe an AMA (Ask Me Anything) because is the first time I know about you (in this very little corner of the internet)