The issue with the song is, it is: a) not the only struggle song, others exist b) intentionally inflammatory, and regardless of historical context it is being sung today, where the historical context is not relevant. The arguments of the "boer" in the song representing the system is a laughable excuse when the song includes mock gunshot noises and our friends in the red overalls are making mock pistols with their hands. The lyric "shoot to kill" also makes the arguments of the song being symbolic ludicrous. In a polite society where we view our countrymen as equals, I think it would be a very small ask to say, could you please choose a different struggle song that doesn't invoke fairly explicit violence (again, finger guns and "shoot to kill"). And I would argue that anyone with good intentions would make that accommodation without even being asked. Julius knows what he's doing, he knows he's making people scared for their lives and their futures by stoking this fire, but he does it anyway. Because as him and his party have made very clear over the years, white people do not belong in SA. Mix in his greatest hits, comments like "We are not calling for the slaughter of white people. At least for now", and you have a very clear message. And that message is, we can't kill white people right now, but boy do we want to. Now, people seem to love to argue he's just being provocative and doesn't mean it. But he certainly doesn't explicitly denounce the idea, and that means, similar to most extremist figures throughout the world, he's perfectly happy to have his supporters believe him. So you have a man that believes, or presents himself as believing, that white people are to blame for every issue pre and post apartheid, white people are secretly ruling the country (which is a delusional, "The Jews did 911" level conspiracy), they don't belong in SA, they don't deserve land rights, and to top it off he has openly and publicly implied that the possibility of slaughtering them might be there in future, but he sings "kill the boer" simply as a symbolic gesture to the "struggle". Sure. If you think that is appropriate in any supposedly civil society, I really don't know what to say. I can fully acknowledge that at the time the song was sung historically, it was justifiable. But today it's just used to create fear and stoke division. And Malema knows this. The cherry on top is the fact that people are basically dead-set on gaslighting people concerned about the constant rhetorical escalations into thinking that they're just sensitive or they're somehow just proving that the accusations are correct by being scared. No, if somebody sings a song about murdering your ethnic group, regardless of how it's justified, it's always going to be scary. It's like humans have learned nothing from our history.
My guy, you are being hysterical about absolutely nothing. This is just a struggle song, even during the height of apartheid it never resulted in the mass killing of white people so please just stop playing into the hands of illiterate politicians like Steenhuizen who is deliberately playing the good old swaart gevaar card to whip up white emotions. South Africa is a generally violent country and this has absolutely nothing to do with one's colour of skin, in fact I argue that black and coloured people are more prone to be affected negatively by violence than whites and Indians for obvious reasons. Where was this fake outrage by the DA when two black teenagers were assaulted at a holiday resort by fully grown white men last year? Where was the DA 's fake outrage when black people were killed en masse during the looting incidences in Phoenix? In fact the DA congratulated the killers for defending their property even before any investigations were made? The problem with white South Africans is that most are politically illiterate. There is absolutely no attempt to understand political nuances and as a result parties like the DA know exactly which buttons to press to get a reaction out of you. The ANC is exactly the same with black people but finally it seems black people are awakening to this abuse. It's time white people wake up. South Africa needs to change for the better. We just cannot carry on like this and you know it. I just wish all racist white people can get on with the business of migrating so that only those who are truly willing to build this country remain. Just leave please...
Lol, if the song had any literal basis the white minority would be wiped out over night. We not up against spears anymore. Stop fear mongering.The majority does not even take EFF seriously.
Please present evidence of 1 incident where a Boer was killed during or as a result of the song After 1994 of course. Until u have the evidence you are just talking NONSENSE and you obviously don’t know anything about the meaning of it
@@sabinekoch3448Anyone can come here and make such a bold statement. Show us receipts plz!!! Show us the evidence and how that incident is a result of the song!
If a Steve Hofmeyer sang a song about killing black people at an Afriforum rally, what would everyone say. Words have power. The hand gestures give me chills and ask Rwanda about their radio stations. This is sowing seeds of violence, end of story. Not okay for any of this. We should not entertain any form of division a country. We have been democratic for almost 30 years. Who is to blame for grievances and government failures. There is no white and black, there is right and wrong. Above the books business and corruption. There is a new South Africa with no apartheid flags and no kill the boer songs. Both are unacceptable.
Give back the land your ancestors stole from their ancestors shedding blood, peacefully, then there will be no need to sing the song again. 20% white pop. Should own 20% of the land and 80% black pop. Should own 80% of the land, period.
*This RSA is not new. *The Black people never established a system of oppression and benefit from it. So Boers singing would be absolutely off context. * Why would the seed be at this time, why now? * Unfortunately the system is still Black and White - u and me understand the right and wrong but not the system. * lastly I hate corruption BUT they oppression system owners are 99% beneficiaries and pretend otherwise, by creating anti-Black monitoring controls😢
Well, the contexts are not the same. And you know everything is context. Has Steve been singing these songs before? Has Steve been in any struggle of such before? On the other hand. Blacks have sung songs in all their lives. That’s how God made them. And they defeat their enemies through these songs by keeping morale up in the face of daunting opposition. Eg, Apartheid, Slavery and even personal battles. So Steve’s song will be read differently than Malema’s Song at their EFF event. It I tell you blacks will not care. I also understand your fear cos you are so few in number. Malema has white friendships mind you. Why don’t you people find out from these ones what type of a person he is? Malema is a Straight shooter. Not like ramaphosa or any of those warped anc benchers. Whites will enjoy their stay in SA with a malema more than they now do with ramaphosa.
John is what some call "gat-kreiping" (forgive my spelling if incorrect, Afrikaans a bit rusty) and to appear submissive to the powers that be. He shouldn't be on air, he has no backbone to speak the truth.
Do I hear another white person compromising with Malema in the song Kill the Farmer kill the Boer. The song may not say kill an individual but clearly sends a message that black people must kill the boer or the farmer. Malema is a polarising person, a person who seethes hatred. He cannot lead our country while having such a dangerous mindset which influences his followers. He may not think that what he says may influence genocide but his follows may think it and take it further. How many more farm murders must take place before SA find peace. Does Malema ever consider the economic effects his words have on the economy. South Africa is already begging Ukraine and Russia for grain yet both countries are at war with each other. If Farmers in South Africa were allowed to do what they do best and that is provide food for the country without any threat of violence over their heads perhaps we would be in a better position. I am annoyed by people who take such threats lightly just because they are lucky to still be alive.
On average 40 to 50 farmers are murdered every year. Previously, I have viewed documents online and pics of how the farmers and sometimes children are brutalised. It's absolutely sickening how people who are growing food for the nation are being slaughtered.
If we want peace and prosperity in this country, we should stay clear of comments like this. But I suppose hate speech is only tolerated coming from one side!
By hate speech are you referring to the “Kill the Boer” song? So you are above the equality court? After they deemed the song as not hate speech, here you are.
This discussion reminds me of the woke world we are in when we ask the question: What is a Woman ? and so many definitions pop up these days. We should not beat around the bush words are powerful, it means what it says: Kill the Boer and should not be sung in these times in South Africa
The equality court has declared the song not hate speech. Until you are above the court then ur opinion will only remain just that. In South Africa Freedom of speech will be exercised freely so. This is not America the land of free and home of the brave.
@@Professor_Stark I am not sure what u are smoking , do u understand the meaning of the words and its impact ? It is clearly Hate speech, We live in SA and the truth is usually scewed because of politics.
I think it should be sung all over the world 😂😂😂 GET KISSED POESBOER 💋 stop being a sensitive poes. You seeing ghosts!! You only see hate because your heart is demonic. Cleanse your soul from your ancestral corruption and receive the love. GET KISSED QUICKLY 💋
@@nirkj7119 You know that your opinion won’t change a thing no matter if I smoked your socks. There’s nothing you or anyone can do or say to stop JM or anyone from singing the song and that’s the bottom line.
@@Professor_Stark All we will say to you and Juliaas is to stop promoting Hate and Jealousy. Preach Love to all. We love you Brother, no need to hate so much.
I like how Ongama puts it. "What may be legally permissible may not be beneficial". There are many things we have which are legally permissible but are not beneficial to us as a country
This is neither unpermissable nor will it be unbenificial to the country. With the exception of sensitive paranoid white racists who have orania flags under their bed.
You are way too kind to this sad old man who supports hate speech when it suits his virtue signalling agenda. He is beyond a moegoe. He's a self proclaimed liberal but in fact is a narrow minded ejit - imho. How many homeless people does he accommodate on his property?
john there are so many farmers killed everyday to instigate it any further not so nice in the name of politics you can murder that old toppie farmer and family and they are not brought to book with over seventy murders per day in SA the police do not have the time to handle these cases
like he says. If we are to build a new South Africa, then relics of the past need to be dropped, pulled down etc.... A song which IS being sung purely to agitate and intimidate should have no place in South Africa, much like the old apartheid flag.
There is one problem. Before we can move forward as one without friction we need to accept how we got here. We need to address issues of the past to level the field. The problem is that black people are asked to move forward as if the field is already level. For any dialogue and efforts to happen to level the field then the past must be remembered. Until the field is level, it is hypocritical to ask the disadvantaged to put the past in the past. The past haunts us today. It will continue to do so into the future unless it is addressed. It just happens that the loudest people are either on the winning side or have never seen with their own eyes what the evil of apartheid has done to innocent people.
According to Afri forum on For 2022, they were able to verify 333 attacks (including 50 murders). It should be noted that the number of attacks could be much higher because of the underreporting of crime to the SAPD. In a population with Youth unemployment rate in (in 2022) of 51.52 percent, the youth unemployment rate thereby reached its highest value in the observed period. (According to stats SA) What is referred to as genocide is home invasions, the media then riles up the people into a frenzy
Muslims invaded Iberia, but it would be a hate crime to say "kill the m or". Is "understanding" only applicable depending on race? Do you know how the dictionary defines it?
So the statues of Queen Victoria, Cecil Rhodes, King Leopold are part of South Africa's heritage and were removed. But this song's heritage can stay? So should we respect heritage or not here??? Or is that song not heritage and it's words to be taken as a song of struggle right now? The Hypocrisy is ridiculous.
I agree. I invite him to come by himself and to sing the song in my backyard. My bullterrier is an excellent linguist and will help to resolve the matter.
@@johanweakley2658 He cant take a shit by himself, all these guys hiding behind eachother tormenting society. They just idle all day with nothing else to do than to plan celebrations and look for kak
I agree with Dr Ongama. There are some messages and songs that may have had relevance in the past and in this specific case may not be intended as a literal call to murder, BUT, irrespective of the intention, how does one measure the effect of such a song being sung at a political rally? When reasonable people discuss the intentions and symbolism on a talk radio show or in a court, it’s all rather benign, but what about when a group of men get drunk in a tavern and go and kill someone because of it,then what? How do we know or measure that nobody will be killed because of it? If people are killed because of it, how many deaths are acceptable? I sincerely question the divisive motives of the EFF. Malema and his ilk have proven time and again that their modus operandi is one of racism and hate, and they have proven that nation-building is not in their interest. This song is tasteless, and in the political culture in South Africa today it should find no home other than a dustbin. If Malema wants to sing songs about lack of progress and oppression, let him make new songs about the ANC government. Let him sing about state capture and corruption and about black oppressors. That’s where his people’s problems lie. And as for remaining racist whites, get a grip, grow up and stop providing ammunition to politicians through your stupidity! Every time you say something nasty about black people, not only do you damage this country and hurt its people, but you create space for radicals like Malema to breathe and thrive. Grow up the lot of you. South Africa has so much potential if we can stamp out racism and stupidity from people who should know better.
Yes, the song is disturbing especially at this time and age, but i think it's just a "mzabalazo" song which is harmless. Nevertheless, it is no longer needed, let's put it behind us and work in reconciling this country into a peaceful one.
'Disturbing' is a bit of an understatement. And to assume that something that LITERALLY says 'kill the farmer' is harmless, is crazy! There are millions of ppl in SA. It only takes one person believing this to go out and commit a 'farm killing'. To you, who I suspect is an independent thinker, it may be word salad. But the stakes are too high to make that assumption for millions of others.
Wow! An honest discussion about the song and its meaning. Bravo! Of course, the willingly ignorant will criticize you. The guests' view is the correct view, in my opinion. We need to drop the song if we are trying to bring peoples of SA together. Juju only exists because of our collective failures in unifying and dealing with the consequences of our history. ✌🏿❤️🇿🇦
Malemas followers are largely Lesotho a d Zimbabwe why do they have votes here in SA? How is it possible that tax payers fund him... This is a DA problem and you can see it in the infighting within the DA itself. Whites won't tolerate this another year, we won't. Cape Town whites are doing noone any favours by voting a DA when they should have long ago abandoned them and joined White South Africa with the FF+...
The problem is not Julius Malema, BUT the unwillingness of our "white" countrymen to share the wealth of this beloved beautiful country, South Africa with other races and the failure of the government to transform the economy that results in fraud characters to pop out using the misfortunes of our nation to their ulterior agenda. Such slogans of the past will resurface only because the environment is conducive... #You_can_disagree_with_me_at_your_own_peril🤷🏾
I agree completely with Mtinka. Even though we know the song doesn't call for genocide a lot of South Africans regardless of race feel uncomfortable when hearing it. So does singing it help or hinder race relations and political discourse? Unfortunately Julius knows how to get attention and this is certainly a quick and easy way
Black democracy failed...your comment shows that you cannot remove the terrorist out of an African. Black South Africans hope on television selling that the struggle is over with your debates against Africa but want to defend it against whites? Make it make sense! Whites are not going to adopt your ideology, if you to stupid or weak to work around that after everything then leave. But you don't want to leave all you want to do is make everyone hare you and then you cry everyone hates the black man? 80% of all land ANC has, 80% of all money goes to taxes, violent crimes is 100% black on white. These facts you cannot escape and lete tell you something noone owes you anything,noone voted for these things. It's not as if blacks actually looked after anyone or anything here. If anything blacks must answer why Ngunis and Lesotho are in our borders...
this seems so backwards no wonder the world thinks we a joke... so what if i start singing racist songs would that be o.k? just checking asking for a friend
I think you'll be safe singing that song in Netherlands not so sure if you did here in SAso tell your friend not to dare because it might not end well for him
brilliant analysis , any educated person can see it for what it is....the song makes the people they singing about uncomfortable , like the old flag or k word....
Deborah, i was beaten, kicked and tortured by white apartheid soldiers. I lost my front teeth in the process. I do not recall wanting to kill whites till today. So DA; FF+ must just go to HELL!! We will not stop chanting!!
Some people - even learned people - have extreme difficulty in understanding the meaning of the words "kill" and "boer". They research far and wide to try and find these meanings, even applying extreme stretches of imagination and poetic license.
The meaning is simple…..it is what it says. People are not all philosopher who find hidden meanings in phrases when it suits them, and especially most South African who are quite literal. If it says kill, then that is what it means….kla
Don’t be naïve and dumb! Until u present evidence of 1 incidence, 1 person or any time after 1994 where the song was chanted and Boers got killed because of it, then YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!
@@urbnctrl from one inferior mind to another, thanks for that highly sophisticated information. Now is that kissed, meaning my backside. Maybe you will oblige. Kill still means kill, no matter how you want to rewrite the English language. So typical of people(using the term loosely) like you who tries to justify your evil intentions
It’s a terrible song. No one with clean intentions to unite the country would dare to sing it. My irritation is that this was calculated by Malema that this would be the outcome if he sang it in that occasion and we falling to the trap. Julius knows he won’t get white vote and so his intention is to divide those who view none racialism as an objective and have black vote going to him.
Whether calling for genocide or not, this song makes it impossible to have a harmonious society. Boers are South African but they're also an ethnic people. Such songs label them as an enemy with no recourse.
Ah yes the song made it impossible not an entire apartheid regime and white supremacists who still sleep with a orania flag and walk around in khaki pants lmao sad poes boer.😂 GET KISSED 💋Mwah
We have to rely on our faith in Jesus Christ at this time.We have feared the Lord in South Africa..from our beginings...We are , surrounded by millions of people around the world who love the Lord as we do..Ja, en die Almagtige Here God het ons nie verlaat nie.Let us return to Him and He will return to us....
Fear of the lord is the beginning of all wisdom , what the EFF is doing is unjustifiable.. the apartheid apologists on here what they're doing is unjustifiable , we all have to undestand that dividing people, hating on each other only furthers the devil's plan, I pray for people like you Sandra who know the only real answer to all this is Jesus , we have to love our neighbors, there's no excuse in any hate.. from both black and white , we will all stand before the same God and answer for the allegiances we made on Earth.. and I personally will never support any person who wants to divide people, whether its Musk(who added fuel to the fire but never answered when asked about the apartheid photo linked to him, being another apologist and adding to more division using his influence, knowing exactly what he's doing ..same as Malema , i won't stand for someone making excuses for killing people made in the same image of God, or a person like Musk who keeps quiet about othet people who were abused who are made in the image of God, but only takes one side, and when we pick sides with race matters ignoring the other wrong for whatever selfish purpose, all we do is side with what the devil wants , divide and conquer
Or he's just an evil man doing the devil's deed, divide and conquer, apartheid apologists, Malema apologists, idc who says what they all the same, dividing people and spreading hate, all will account for their earthly actions and alignments
Y’all have a problem when you see someone being pro black! Malema is for black people and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t necessarily vote for him but I admire him for being pro black. At least he is not oppressing white people or imposing racist ideas and apartheid systems like the Afrikaaners did to us. Our land has been taken from us and u don’t see Boers being killed as a result of the song.
Ongama Don't sell your soul, this is nonsense know the difference between song and chant! Ramaphosa is a song but struggle chant can be song or chant, that is a struggle chant.
They may not be calling for it yet.... Germany allowed the Nazis's to go undeterred until their true colours were finally revealed. Also, a supporter of the EFF might take the words seriously.
This song must be declared an offence . It cannot mean anything else but what it says . sa NEEDS PEOPLE WHO UNITE BUT NOT DIVIVDE AND PROMOTE THE KILLING OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something, in what world does kill the boer, kill the farmer mean anthing else?
Stalin: Kill the land-owning farmers! Radio host: Well, of course he means that symbolically.... Stalin: *kills all the farmers* Radio host: Well we couldn't possibly have known that he.......
My Dad was killed by a blank man. He shot him 3 times in front of my Mother and took his car and left. The trauma that we went through as a family is unexplainable. It is very sad that the Eff will sing a song to kill a group of people. South African is a beautiful country and we all can work together to make it better place.
As you remember your trauma, understand the trauma that the blacks have felt over the centuries, still feeling when your ilk refuses to hand over the land (Land, mineral resources, banks ) to the black masses who are in greater numbers than the whites. Blacks are still traumatized. Know this. And until the land is distributed according to the percentage of their different populations, you as a white will never be free in SA. 19% pop. - 20% of the land 80% pop. - 80% of the land. What Europe did to the Red Indians in America cannot happen in Africa. Africa must take back its land or nobody is safe.
My uncle was killed by a white farmer and he never revealed where he buried his body. The same trauma that you are going through, is the same trauma that we are going through as black people. How do we heal and unite as a nation? Certainly leaders like Julius malema are not going to help us do that, so what is the way forward? Also, the economic disparities between blacks and whites is the main source of crime, how do we close that gap?
of course if the song is taken out of South African context ,it sounds bad We use to sing songs like "we are criminals ,we are weed lovers ", the is this one saying we hate africa ,"africa ngiyayizonda" ,all these are just songs if they were really commands ,then EFF comrades on their red barrels will kill the boars .
The first time i heard the song it was during apartheid it was sang by the late Peter Mokaba black people were going through the most at that time under the oppressor and nothing has changed even today the land nd our economy is still in the hands of those who benefited unfairly by killing torturing nd forcing black people out of thier land mayb thats the reason Julius Malema is still singing struggle songs
nah i fucking love it go EFF agitate organize and make change! SA is the most unequal country in the world the song is about freedom and liberation. tired of all these free speech warriors crying about anyone else using that right
This isn't a 'left' issue, though. I would consider myself 'liberal' but at the same time agree that there is literally no defending this song/intention.
The problem comes when people think boers and farmers are only whites people. Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t understand what the meaning of a boer and farmer.
Division and distrust.. This is all a political party like the EFF will ever bring to the people of this country. They have one game plan and this is to keep a few of the EFF members in positions of wealth and comfort . Any publicity is good publicity and they take what they can get
SA used to be a beacon of hope and progress in Africa dur8mg Mandela reign. What happened in the last decades, destroyed it. No entrepeneur will ever consider starting its venture there. Maybe only Capetown simce it is not ruled by ANC, but with no long future.
As long as you guys aren't dealing with issues that are affecting ALL SAns not only Boers you'll win this battle. How many things Boers are still doing and saying that were 'Right' then even when they knew they were Wrong but here a song us being sang ppl are out discussing. Old SAn flag means what? Boers are carrying it around and chanting and nothing happens. Old ppl with sugar coating, lying to each other instead of telling it as is MNX
The radio presenters should speak up for the citizens of the country don't sit behind a mike and take the government side have backbone stand uo for the people
History can never be totally eradicated... do to people what you would want them to do to you... The French are facing backlash of their evils in Niger and other West Africa.
In apartheid times Boer meant "boere" amaBhunu or the police as representing the system. Not farmers. The struggle was not about a killing spree of farmers -and in a post democracy SA - weaponising the song for that reinterpretation is very problematic. It isn't even being sung in the struggle way
Except.... they are not singing this in the apartheid times, are they? They are singing it today. What are we meant to glean from that? You have somehow miraculously erased context/time/era from your rationale here.
Lol I'm black and I know this song was used to create hatred towards whites especially Afrikaaners... I can't believe you believe fall for the wrong explanation given by Malema and his fixers
We don't believe it at all, when the so g was created whites were farming and rural... Only Britain and Holland had jobs in offices thank you for being honest we know South Africans black community are not what Lesotho or Ngunis are... But I can tell you Julius is going to get the war he is begging for... Noone is scared, at best we trying to avoid bloodshed, and that Nguni doesn't listen
Capitalism created this, but what blacks are calling for is for state to own everything. White culture has never lived that way and never will, they work for us we don't work for state! Blacks have never had property rights, never paid taxes, never built civilizations. When Julius speaks of nationalisation it means whites building and slavi g while blacks pick and choose who oppressed us. Liberals treated lacks like second class humana,all conservatives did was stuck to ourselves and were forced into national service jobs!
The state has a monopoly on violence and Trump was the representative of the state. That's why calling for violence on him is moot because what damage could Eminem do to the state. The same applied for Apartheid era state, it was the boer. An Afrikaner nationalist government. The moment that changed, the context of the song changed. Now it's attacking a minority group with no institutional power. Whites do hold a large amount financial power in the private sector but it's not equally spread between them, it's highly concentrated amongst a fairly small percentage.
Moving forward together means sharing everything white people has ill gotten. Can you share what your evil forefathers stole from the natives? My guess is as good as mine. So don’t talk about moving forward as we blacks have no future to go to.
The issue with the song is, it is:
a) not the only struggle song, others exist
b) intentionally inflammatory, and regardless of historical context it is being sung today, where the historical context is not relevant.
The arguments of the "boer" in the song representing the system is a laughable excuse when the song includes mock gunshot noises and our friends in the red overalls are making mock pistols with their hands. The lyric "shoot to kill" also makes the arguments of the song being symbolic ludicrous.
In a polite society where we view our countrymen as equals, I think it would be a very small ask to say, could you please choose a different struggle song that doesn't invoke fairly explicit violence (again, finger guns and "shoot to kill"). And I would argue that anyone with good intentions would make that accommodation without even being asked.
Julius knows what he's doing, he knows he's making people scared for their lives and their futures by stoking this fire, but he does it anyway. Because as him and his party have made very clear over the years, white people do not belong in SA.
Mix in his greatest hits, comments like "We are not calling for the slaughter of white people. At least for now", and you have a very clear message. And that message is, we can't kill white people right now, but boy do we want to. Now, people seem to love to argue he's just being provocative and doesn't mean it. But he certainly doesn't explicitly denounce the idea, and that means, similar to most extremist figures throughout the world, he's perfectly happy to have his supporters believe him.
So you have a man that believes, or presents himself as believing, that white people are to blame for every issue pre and post apartheid, white people are secretly ruling the country (which is a delusional, "The Jews did 911" level conspiracy), they don't belong in SA, they don't deserve land rights, and to top it off he has openly and publicly implied that the possibility of slaughtering them might be there in future, but he sings "kill the boer" simply as a symbolic gesture to the "struggle". Sure.
If you think that is appropriate in any supposedly civil society, I really don't know what to say. I can fully acknowledge that at the time the song was sung historically, it was justifiable. But today it's just used to create fear and stoke division. And Malema knows this.
The cherry on top is the fact that people are basically dead-set on gaslighting people concerned about the constant rhetorical escalations into thinking that they're just sensitive or they're somehow just proving that the accusations are correct by being scared. No, if somebody sings a song about murdering your ethnic group, regardless of how it's justified, it's always going to be scary.
It's like humans have learned nothing from our history.
My guy, you are being hysterical about absolutely nothing. This is just a struggle song, even during the height of apartheid it never resulted in the mass killing of white people so please just stop playing into the hands of illiterate politicians like Steenhuizen who is deliberately playing the good old swaart gevaar card to whip up white emotions.
South Africa is a generally violent country and this has absolutely nothing to do with one's colour of skin, in fact I argue that black and coloured people are more prone to be affected negatively by violence than whites and Indians for obvious reasons.
Where was this fake outrage by the DA when two black teenagers were assaulted at a holiday resort by fully grown white men last year? Where was the DA 's fake outrage when black people were killed en masse during the looting incidences in Phoenix? In fact the DA congratulated the killers for defending their property even before any investigations were made?
The problem with white South Africans is that most are politically illiterate. There is absolutely no attempt to understand political nuances and as a result parties like the DA know exactly which buttons to press to get a reaction out of you. The ANC is exactly the same with black people but finally it seems black people are awakening to this abuse. It's time white people wake up. South Africa needs to change for the better. We just cannot carry on like this and you know it.
I just wish all racist white people can get on with the business of migrating so that only those who are truly willing to build this country remain. Just leave please...
If we have learned anything from History it is that we have learned nothing from History.
Lol, if the song had any literal basis the white minority would be wiped out over night. We not up against spears anymore. Stop fear mongering.The majority does not even take EFF seriously.
Well put. Fully agree.
Shorten your sentences. There is nothing wrong with singing freedom songs. It is part of their history.
John ..words are words and there is no misinterpretation. kill is kill; wake up and be brave.
Cape Town whites no hope
Please present evidence of 1 incident where a Boer was killed during or as a result of the song After 1994 of course.
Until u have the evidence you are just talking NONSENSE and you obviously don’t know anything about the meaning of it
@@Professor_Starkkill is kill man. You want evidence for what you can not prove either. Prove that no one was killed.
You are right. It's not right to instigate murder.
EFF: KILL. THE. BOER.
John: We'll I don't think that thing that they ARE LITERALLY SAYING they want to do, is something they want to do. WOW!
Janee this guy must be great at communication "So What You're Saying Is:...."
Liberal mindset. Never served in the military either most likely. The system is not run by the boer. Its run by Malmans former buddies. Not whites
Quite - not a great response from John.
I love how all the racists are just crying in their orania flags at home. Dont you? Its literally killing them! Petty poes boers.
Words are powerful, they have meaning!
who died?
@@vjchabane9795Straight after this song singing, two farmers were killed.
Amen Pamela
@@sabinekoch3448Anyone can come here and make such a bold statement. Show us receipts plz!!! Show us the evidence and how that incident is a result of the song!
@@sabinekoch3448 straight after this song 155 black peoples were killed… what’s your point
If a Steve Hofmeyer sang a song about killing black people at an Afriforum rally, what would everyone say. Words have power. The hand gestures give me chills and ask Rwanda about their radio stations.
This is sowing seeds of violence, end of story. Not okay for any of this. We should not entertain any form of division a country.
We have been democratic for almost 30 years. Who is to blame for grievances and government failures.
There is no white and black, there is right and wrong. Above the books business and corruption.
There is a new South Africa with no apartheid flags and no kill the boer songs. Both are unacceptable.
Give back the land your ancestors stole from their ancestors shedding blood, peacefully, then there will be no need to sing the song again.
20% white pop. Should own 20% of the land and
80% black pop. Should own 80% of the land, period.
You deserve a 'Bells' best counter yet!!!!
@@whatshappeningtoearth2934 give that man a bells!!!
*This RSA is not new.
*The Black people never established a system of oppression and benefit from it. So Boers singing would be absolutely off context.
* Why would the seed be at this time, why now?
* Unfortunately the system is still Black and White - u and me understand the right and wrong but not the system.
* lastly I hate corruption BUT they oppression system owners are 99% beneficiaries and pretend otherwise, by creating anti-Black monitoring controls😢
Well, the contexts are not the same. And you know everything is context.
Has Steve been singing these songs before?
Has Steve been in any struggle of such before?
On the other hand. Blacks have sung songs in all their lives. That’s how God made them. And they defeat their enemies through these songs by keeping morale up in the face of daunting opposition.
Eg, Apartheid, Slavery and even personal battles.
So Steve’s song will be read differently than Malema’s Song at their EFF event.
It I tell you blacks will not care. I also understand your fear cos you are so few in number.
Malema has white friendships mind you. Why don’t you people find out from these ones what type of a person he is?
Malema is a Straight shooter. Not like ramaphosa or any of those warped anc benchers.
Whites will enjoy their stay in SA with a malema more than they now do with ramaphosa.
John talking like 50% EFF an 50% ANC supporter.
Yeah, first time I've ever seen this John guy, but clearly he is very lost. Fortunately his guest gave him a good schooling 🤣🤣🤣
Those that can, do. Those that can't, pontificate about things.
He is def not a EFF supporter.
John is what some call "gat-kreiping" (forgive my spelling if incorrect, Afrikaans a bit rusty) and to appear submissive to the powers that be. He shouldn't be on air, he has no backbone to speak the truth.
@@fabriciuslan he's a coward
We're not saying killing the people but we're not free, we're farmers today l am black African, please be calm please
Do I hear another white person compromising with Malema in the song Kill the Farmer kill the Boer. The song may not say kill an individual but clearly sends a message that black people must kill the boer or the farmer. Malema is a polarising person, a person who seethes hatred. He cannot lead our country while having such a dangerous mindset which influences his followers. He may not think that what he says may influence genocide but his follows may think it and take it further. How many more farm murders must take place before SA find peace. Does Malema ever consider the economic effects his words have on the economy. South Africa is already begging Ukraine and Russia for grain yet both countries are at war with each other. If Farmers in South Africa were allowed to do what they do best and that is provide food for the country without any threat of violence over their heads perhaps we would be in a better position. I am annoyed by people who take such threats lightly just because they are lucky to still be alive.
What will happen to say a white sings kill the blacks we will be arested ...double standards is the law
Boer farmer is all whites. It's a struggle song and implies every white in the country
😂😂😂 Stop to be coward come to our township and hear what kind of the song we sing 😂😂😂 as black people we sing what we feel to sing when we're happy
Those were oppressors
On average 40 to 50 farmers are murdered every year.
Previously, I have viewed documents online and pics of how the farmers and sometimes children are brutalised. It's absolutely sickening how people who are growing food for the nation are being slaughtered.
That's because these farmers are hiring illegal foreigners for cheap labour
Who do you think is not being killed in this crime-ridden country
So that’s where you’ll draw the line?😂😂😂 Bunch of clowns
How many black people in townships are killed everyday because of systematic poverty created by apartheid legacy?
The EFF are animals
If we want peace and prosperity in this country, we should stay clear of comments like this.
But I suppose hate speech is only tolerated coming from one side!
By hate speech are you referring to the “Kill the Boer” song? So you are above the equality court? After they deemed the song as not hate speech, here you are.
This discussion reminds me of the woke world we are in when we ask the question: What is a Woman ? and so many definitions pop up these days. We should not beat around the bush words are powerful, it means what it says: Kill the Boer and should not be sung in these times in South Africa
The equality court has declared the song not hate speech. Until you are above the court then ur opinion will only remain just that. In South Africa Freedom of speech will be exercised freely so. This is not America the land of free and home of the brave.
@@Professor_Stark I am not sure what u are smoking , do u understand the meaning of the words and its impact ? It is clearly Hate speech, We live in SA and the truth is usually scewed because of politics.
I think it should be sung all over the world 😂😂😂 GET KISSED POESBOER 💋 stop being a sensitive poes. You seeing ghosts!! You only see hate because your heart is demonic. Cleanse your soul from your ancestral corruption and receive the love. GET KISSED QUICKLY 💋
@@nirkj7119 You know that your opinion won’t change a thing no matter if I smoked your socks. There’s nothing you or anyone can do or say to stop JM or anyone from singing the song and that’s the bottom line.
@@Professor_Stark All we will say to you and Juliaas is to stop promoting Hate and Jealousy. Preach Love to all. We love you Brother, no need to hate so much.
I like how Ongama puts it. "What may be legally permissible may not be beneficial". There are many things we have which are legally permissible but are not beneficial to us as a country
This is neither unpermissable nor will it be unbenificial to the country. With the exception of sensitive paranoid white racists who have orania flags under their bed.
John once a moegoe always a moegoe😁
LOL - Amen
You are way too kind to this sad old man who supports hate speech when it suits his virtue signalling agenda. He is beyond a moegoe. He's a self proclaimed liberal but in fact is a narrow minded ejit - imho. How many homeless people does he accommodate on his property?
@user...u are de chairman of all of the moegoe on earth!
john there are so many farmers killed everyday to instigate it any further not so nice in the name of politics you can murder that old toppie farmer and family and they are not brought to book with over seventy murders per day in SA the police do not have the time to handle these cases
4:46 The system... have the members of the ANC become Boers John?
like he says. If we are to build a new South Africa, then relics of the past need to be dropped, pulled down etc.... A song which IS being sung purely to agitate and intimidate should have no place in South Africa, much like the old apartheid flag.
Agreed. Either both the flag and the song are accepted, or both are rejected
@@JG-jn6zc yup and should be the latter , but people seem hell bent on hate, both would never drop any of that
There is one problem. Before we can move forward as one without friction we need to accept how we got here. We need to address issues of the past to level the field.
The problem is that black people are asked to move forward as if the field is already level. For any dialogue and efforts to happen to level the field then the past must be remembered.
Until the field is level, it is hypocritical to ask the disadvantaged to put the past in the past. The past haunts us today. It will continue to do so into the future unless it is addressed.
It just happens that the loudest people are either on the winning side or have never seen with their own eyes what the evil of apartheid has done to innocent people.
These white people are racist Mani
According to Afri forum on For 2022, they were able to verify 333 attacks (including 50 murders). It should be noted that the number of attacks could be much higher because of the underreporting of crime to the SAPD. In a population with Youth unemployment rate in (in 2022) of 51.52 percent, the youth unemployment rate thereby reached its highest value in the observed period. (According to stats SA)
What is referred to as genocide is home invasions, the media then riles up the people into a frenzy
That's what the media does
that’s nothing compared to their
overall rate😅
Have ever thought about Black people who killed by white people? 1000 people so please don't start
If the old flag is banned so the song must be banned
And the springbok
...and afrikaans
No.
Soze siyeke 😅
I agree on banning dutch
Wait until they come for you...then you will know the meaning of the song..
It is the blame game. It is van Riebeeck's fault!😂
😂😂❤
Exactly
There is a verse in the Bible that says ku ta biwa nwana hi ku homboloka ka mutswari translate that😉
Muslims invaded Iberia, but it would be a hate crime to say "kill the m or". Is "understanding" only applicable depending on race? Do you know how the dictionary defines it?
So the statues of Queen Victoria, Cecil Rhodes, King Leopold are part of South Africa's heritage and were removed. But this song's heritage can stay?
So should we respect heritage or not here??? Or is that song not heritage and it's words to be taken as a song of struggle right now?
The Hypocrisy is ridiculous.
Hy moet net vir n slag op sy moer kry
I agree. I invite him to come by himself and to sing the song in my backyard. My bullterrier is an excellent linguist and will help to resolve the matter.
@@johanweakley2658
He cant take a shit by himself, all these guys hiding behind eachother tormenting society. They just idle all day with nothing else to do than to plan celebrations and look for kak
I agree with Dr Ongama. There are some messages and songs that may have had relevance in the past and in this specific case may not be intended as a literal call to murder, BUT, irrespective of the intention, how does one measure the effect of such a song being sung at a political rally? When reasonable people discuss the intentions and symbolism on a talk radio show or in a court, it’s all rather benign, but what about when a group of men get drunk in a tavern and go and kill someone because of it,then what? How do we know or measure that nobody will be killed because of it? If people are killed because of it, how many deaths are acceptable? I sincerely question the divisive motives of the EFF. Malema and his ilk have proven time and again that their modus operandi is one of racism and hate, and they have proven that nation-building is not in their interest. This song is tasteless, and in the political culture in South Africa today it should find no home other than a dustbin. If Malema wants to sing songs about lack of progress and oppression, let him make new songs about the ANC government. Let him sing about state capture and corruption and about black oppressors. That’s where his people’s problems lie. And as for remaining racist whites, get a grip, grow up and stop providing ammunition to politicians through your stupidity! Every time you say something nasty about black people, not only do you damage this country and hurt its people, but you create space for radicals like Malema to breathe and thrive. Grow up the lot of you. South Africa has so much potential if we can stamp out racism and stupidity from people who should know better.
Dr Ongama is confused, this issue was settled by the courts and found Malema not guilty, he must watch the hearing
THERES NOT ONE SONG IN THE WORLDTHAT SAYS GO KILL SOMEONE..
Yes, the song is disturbing especially at this time and age, but i think it's just a "mzabalazo" song which is harmless. Nevertheless, it is no longer needed, let's put it behind us and work in reconciling this country into a peaceful one.
Amen. My question is what if whites started singing kill the black man, kill the communists? I agree with you buddy.
'Disturbing' is a bit of an understatement. And to assume that something that LITERALLY says 'kill the farmer' is harmless, is crazy! There are millions of ppl in SA. It only takes one person believing this to go out and commit a 'farm killing'. To you, who I suspect is an independent thinker, it may be word salad. But the stakes are too high to make that assumption for millions of others.
It isnt stop reaching and screaming ghosts.
Wow! An honest discussion about the song and its meaning. Bravo! Of course, the willingly ignorant will criticize you.
The guests' view is the correct view, in my opinion. We need to drop the song if we are trying to bring peoples of SA together. Juju only exists because of our collective failures in unifying and dealing with the consequences of our history. ✌🏿❤️🇿🇦
Problem is that 99.9% of mal-ema's followers are ignorant - thet are taking the song literally.
Malemas followers are largely Lesotho a d Zimbabwe why do they have votes here in SA? How is it possible that tax payers fund him... This is a DA problem and you can see it in the infighting within the DA itself.
Whites won't tolerate this another year, we won't. Cape Town whites are doing noone any favours by voting a DA when they should have long ago abandoned them and joined White South Africa with the FF+...
The problem is not Julius Malema, BUT the unwillingness of our "white" countrymen to share the wealth of this beloved beautiful country, South Africa with other races and the failure of the government to transform the economy that results in fraud characters to pop out using the misfortunes of our nation to their ulterior agenda. Such slogans of the past will resurface only because the environment is conducive... #You_can_disagree_with_me_at_your_own_peril🤷🏾
I agree completely with Mtinka. Even though we know the song doesn't call for genocide a lot of South Africans regardless of race feel uncomfortable when hearing it. So does singing it help or hinder race relations and political discourse? Unfortunately Julius knows how to get attention and this is certainly a quick and easy way
Black South Africans are not uncomfortable with their position?
If they want economic freedom call for the downfall of the ANC.
Now wondering if Cape Talk even had this lengthy discussion about Afrikaans racists defending the old flag..
Black democracy failed...your comment shows that you cannot remove the terrorist out of an African. Black South Africans hope on television selling that the struggle is over with your debates against Africa but want to defend it against whites? Make it make sense!
Whites are not going to adopt your ideology, if you to stupid or weak to work around that after everything then leave. But you don't want to leave all you want to do is make everyone hare you and then you cry everyone hates the black man?
80% of all land ANC has, 80% of all money goes to taxes, violent crimes is 100% black on white. These facts you cannot escape and lete tell you something noone owes you anything,noone voted for these things. It's not as if blacks actually looked after anyone or anything here. If anything blacks must answer why Ngunis and Lesotho are in our borders...
this seems so backwards no wonder the world thinks we a joke... so what if i start singing racist songs would that be o.k? just checking asking for a friend
I think you'll be safe singing that song in Netherlands not so sure if you did here in SAso tell your friend not to dare because it might not end well for him
brilliant analysis , any educated person can see it for what it is....the song makes the people they singing about uncomfortable , like the old flag or k word....
Exactly... when the shoes us on the other foot.
In their wisdom, they become fools?
I don't know, John 😂
Im remembering a time when i was young, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Lets give Julius the contempt he deserves.
Deborah, i was beaten, kicked and tortured by white apartheid soldiers. I lost my front teeth in the process. I do not recall wanting to kill whites till today. So DA; FF+ must just go to HELL!! We will not stop chanting!!
But they are actually ending the lives of farmers and boers. 4000 in the last decade. Which I don’t care about I want them to starve themselves out.
Pretty wishy-washy conduct of an interview, John. Your interviewee ran rings around you.
We need the song like we need God.❤
Some people - even learned people - have extreme difficulty in understanding the meaning of the words "kill" and "boer". They research far and wide to try and find these meanings, even applying extreme stretches of imagination and poetic license.
The meaning is simple…..it is what it says. People are not all philosopher who find hidden meanings in phrases when it suits them, and especially most South African who are quite literal. If it says kill, then that is what it means….kla
Don’t be naïve and dumb!
Until u present evidence of 1 incidence, 1 person or any time after 1994 where the song was chanted and Boers got killed because of it, then YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!
Just because your mind is too inferior to understand does not make it so. Maybe you need to be kissed? 💋
@@urbnctrl from one inferior mind to another, thanks for that highly sophisticated information. Now is that kissed, meaning my backside. Maybe you will oblige. Kill still means kill, no matter how you want to rewrite the English language. So typical of people(using the term loosely) like you who tries to justify your evil intentions
It’s a terrible song. No one with clean intentions to unite the country would dare to sing it. My irritation is that this was calculated by Malema that this would be the outcome if he sang it in that occasion and we falling to the trap. Julius knows he won’t get white vote and so his intention is to divide those who view none racialism as an objective and have black vote going to him.
Julius Malema's response to Elon Must is a disagreement to what Musk said. Is that not enough?
Whether calling for genocide or not, this song makes it impossible to have a harmonious society. Boers are South African but they're also an ethnic people. Such songs label them as an enemy with no recourse.
Ah yes the song made it impossible not an entire apartheid regime and white supremacists who still sleep with a orania flag and walk around in khaki pants lmao sad poes boer.😂 GET KISSED 💋Mwah
We have to rely on our faith in Jesus Christ at this time.We have feared the Lord in South Africa..from our beginings...We are , surrounded by millions of people around the world who love the Lord as we do..Ja, en die Almagtige Here God het ons nie verlaat nie.Let us return to Him and He will return to us....
Fear of the lord is the beginning of all wisdom , what the EFF is doing is unjustifiable.. the apartheid apologists on here what they're doing is unjustifiable , we all have to undestand that dividing people, hating on each other only furthers the devil's plan, I pray for people like you Sandra who know the only real answer to all this is Jesus , we have to love our neighbors, there's no excuse in any hate.. from both black and white , we will all stand before the same God and answer for the allegiances we made on Earth.. and I personally will never support any person who wants to divide people, whether its Musk(who added fuel to the fire but never answered when asked about the apartheid photo linked to him, being another apologist and adding to more division using his influence, knowing exactly what he's doing ..same as Malema , i won't stand for someone making excuses for killing people made in the same image of God, or a person like Musk who keeps quiet about othet people who were abused who are made in the image of God, but only takes one side, and when we pick sides with race matters ignoring the other wrong for whatever selfish purpose, all we do is side with what the devil wants , divide and conquer
Malema is like a toddler who has learned to use a swear word that gets him lots of reaction and attention from the grown-ups.
The problem is this toddler has a lot of influence . It means what it means " killing the farmers ..
Or he's just an evil man doing the devil's deed, divide and conquer, apartheid apologists, Malema apologists, idc who says what they all the same, dividing people and spreading hate, all will account for their earthly actions and alignments
Y’all have a problem when you see someone being pro black! Malema is for black people and there’s nothing wrong with that. I don’t necessarily vote for him but I admire him for being pro black. At least he is not oppressing white people or imposing racist ideas and apartheid systems like the Afrikaaners did to us. Our land has been taken from us and u don’t see Boers being killed as a result of the song.
@@Professor_Stark Uhmm ....ignoring the statistics , how convenient.
@@mariomulder3153 what are you referring to?
Julia's keeps reminding us he should never be in power.
I wonder if John is sentient?
Turn the song around, lets see what happens
No one sings the words to that song without meaning exactly that
Don't soften the issue
Ongama Don't sell your soul, this is nonsense know the difference between song and chant! Ramaphosa is a song but struggle chant can be song or chant, that is a struggle chant.
They may not be calling for it yet....
Germany allowed the Nazis's to go undeterred until their true colours were finally revealed.
Also, a supporter of the EFF might take the words seriously.
My thoughts exactly, but these people have a very low IQ and little or no education. They don't know any better.
This song must be declared an offence . It cannot mean anything else but what it says . sa NEEDS PEOPLE WHO UNITE BUT NOT DIVIVDE AND PROMOTE THE KILLING OF OTHER HUMAN BEINGS
Just disappointed on Ongama's bais
Simple, easy-peasy, watch-my-lips-and-follow-the-dots logic: if it ain't hate speech, then why sing it?
The EFF know exactly what they say and what is meant by it
This black guy must be elon musk son
Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something, in what world does kill the boer, kill the farmer mean anthing else?
In South Africa
Stalin: Kill the land-owning farmers!
Radio host: Well, of course he means that symbolically....
Stalin: *kills all the farmers*
Radio host: Well we couldn't possibly have known that he.......
This person John is responding out of fear
Anti racist woke white
No one is gonna kill white people Africans have no history of killing them instead is the other way around.
You clearly have not lost family members to being murdered!!!
And blacks haven't?
John Maytham..... WAKE UP !
This chant means the system which the ANC government, never change, because we changed the jockey but the horse is still the same.
Please mention that yesterday two woman were jailed for tying up stock thieves and delivering them to the police..
My Dad was killed by a blank man. He shot him 3 times in front of my Mother and took his car and left. The trauma that we went through as a family is unexplainable. It is very sad that the Eff will sing a song to kill a group of people. South African is a beautiful country and we all can work together to make it better place.
As you remember your trauma, understand the trauma that the blacks have felt over the centuries, still feeling when your ilk refuses to hand over the land (Land, mineral resources, banks ) to the black masses who are in greater numbers than the whites.
Blacks are still traumatized. Know this. And until the land is distributed according to the percentage of their different populations, you as a white will never be free in SA.
19% pop. - 20% of the land
80% pop. - 80% of the land.
What Europe did to the Red Indians in America cannot happen in Africa. Africa must take back its land or nobody is safe.
My uncle was killed by a white farmer and he never revealed where he buried his body. The same trauma that you are going through, is the same trauma that we are going through as black people. How do we heal and unite as a nation? Certainly leaders like Julius malema are not going to help us do that, so what is the way forward?
Also, the economic disparities between blacks and whites is the main source of crime, how do we close that gap?
@@kagisorlm8385 It seems indeed hopeless.
@@kagisorlm8385 "Stop playing victim" is what we're always told when communicating our problems.
@@SAapprovesu r very one sided
Who can incite violence in a celebration?
of course if the song is taken out of South African context ,it sounds bad We use to sing songs like "we are criminals ,we are weed lovers ", the is this one saying we hate africa ,"africa ngiyayizonda" ,all these are just songs if they were really commands ,then EFF comrades on their red barrels will kill the boars .
The first time i heard the song it was during apartheid it was sang by the late Peter Mokaba black people were going through the most at that time under the oppressor and nothing has changed even today the land nd our economy is still in the hands of those who benefited unfairly by killing torturing nd forcing black people out of thier land mayb thats the reason Julius Malema is still singing struggle songs
nah i fucking love it go EFF agitate organize and make change! SA is the most unequal country in the world the song is about freedom and liberation. tired of all these free speech warriors crying about anyone else using that right
Ok then lets just change the word boer to some other culture and let them sing that lets se if the left mouth pice wil aprove
This isn't a 'left' issue, though. I would consider myself 'liberal' but at the same time agree that there is literally no defending this song/intention.
That song and it’s history is what makes it a struggle song. Your idea is quite irrelevant.
The problem comes when people think boers and farmers are only whites people.
Maybe I’m the only one who doesn’t understand what the meaning of a boer and farmer.
Julius is talking of white people not blacks or was this song also refer to black people when it was sung in the past?
Ongama uyabheda we will not stop sing this song...our people killed by the boer.
If that is the argument. .....Let's bring back the old South African flag and bring back The old national anthem Die Stem.
Division and distrust.. This is all a political party like the EFF will ever bring to the people of this country.
They have one game plan and this is to keep a few of the EFF members in positions of wealth and comfort .
Any publicity is good publicity and they take what they can get
Peace without justice
Imagine this nonsense 😢😢
How do you interpret the meaning of the words?
It's a very simple song. The meaning is very clear in the words.
Pay attention to other genocides. When this happens, they mean it.
This song is against the colonizer who took their land
We remind ourselves kf the times youbwere oppressing us so we will sing the song
Thank you Timer, this song is not encouraging violence at all as the court ruled
Blessed will be the peacemakers.
Don't start, to make peace a war must ensue...you left out half the teaching as it follows as far as it is possible! Nice try though
SA used to be a beacon of hope and progress in Africa dur8mg Mandela reign. What happened in the last decades, destroyed it. No entrepeneur will ever consider starting its venture there. Maybe only Capetown simce it is not ruled by ANC, but with no long future.
As long as you guys aren't dealing with issues that are affecting ALL SAns not only Boers you'll win this battle. How many things Boers are still doing and saying that were 'Right' then even when they knew they were Wrong but here a song us being sang ppl are out discussing. Old SAn flag means what? Boers are carrying it around and chanting and nothing happens. Old ppl with sugar coating, lying to each other instead of telling it as is MNX
This black analysts signing for supper but the host not taking ot
true...
Nooo! now I know what John Maytham look like. He looked very diffident in my mind.
wait ... i have to watch a 5min video of "what the meaning is " jesus people have nothing to talk about 😂
The radio presenters should speak up for the citizens of the country don't sit behind a mike and take the government side have backbone stand uo for the people
I admit, I saw this on a different platform, and rushed to RUclips to see the comments.
Africa and Africans shall rise.
"I don't think..."
Well, there's your problem right there. You don't think.
HAHAHAHA! Did you hear that pause before he basically had to vomit out that denial.
that is your personal opinion. Others have their personal opinion, so why express yours??
History can never be totally eradicated... do to people what you would want them to do to you... The French are facing backlash of their evils in Niger and other West Africa.
The solution is economic and returning of the Land!
In apartheid times Boer meant "boere" amaBhunu or the police as representing the system. Not farmers. The struggle was not about a killing spree of farmers -and in a post democracy SA - weaponising the song for that reinterpretation is very problematic. It isn't even being sung in the struggle way
Google the word boer, the dictionary tells us what it says not what people think it means 🤷
Except.... they are not singing this in the apartheid times, are they? They are singing it today. What are we meant to glean from that? You have somehow miraculously erased context/time/era from your rationale here.
Don't be detached. Every person in SA knows boer refers to white people
Lol I'm black and I know this song was used to create hatred towards whites especially Afrikaaners... I can't believe you believe fall for the wrong explanation given by Malema and his fixers
We don't believe it at all, when the so g was created whites were farming and rural... Only Britain and Holland had jobs in offices thank you for being honest we know South Africans black community are not what Lesotho or Ngunis are...
But I can tell you Julius is going to get the war he is begging for... Noone is scared, at best we trying to avoid bloodshed, and that Nguni doesn't listen
Yikes! Canceling our October group trip to SA. We'll lose lots of money, but that's better than losing our white lives.😮😮😮
Who cares?
😂
Government aka the System should be challenged
But leave the word Kill out of everything!
Capitalism created this, but what blacks are calling for is for state to own everything. White culture has never lived that way and never will, they work for us we don't work for state! Blacks have never had property rights, never paid taxes, never built civilizations.
When Julius speaks of nationalisation it means whites building and slavi g while blacks pick and choose who oppressed us. Liberals treated lacks like second class humana,all conservatives did was stuck to ourselves and were forced into national service jobs!
It means what it means " kill the boer"
What system of oppression exists today?
What law can John point to that exposes a system?
Why not just say "Kill the poverty!"
This is one time that i do not agree with Dr Ongama's observations or assertion on this subject matter.
of course you don't.
Malema he said it is part of his history so you mean he must forget his history?
I agree with John.. Eminem sang a song about Trump and there was no outcry and even Trump didn't complain
The state has a monopoly on violence and Trump was the representative of the state. That's why calling for violence on him is moot because what damage could Eminem do to the state.
The same applied for Apartheid era state, it was the boer. An Afrikaner nationalist government. The moment that changed, the context of the song changed. Now it's attacking a minority group with no institutional power.
Whites do hold a large amount financial power in the private sector but it's not equally spread between them, it's highly concentrated amongst a fairly small percentage.
Cape Talk 567 Home of the Woke.
JULIUS MALEMA💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾🤜🏾🤛🏾
He's not interested in us all moving forward together sadly
Moving forward together means sharing everything white people has ill gotten. Can you share what your evil forefathers stole from the natives? My guess is as good as mine. So don’t talk about moving forward as we blacks have no future to go to.
What planet are you on? Just listen to Malemas pronouncements.