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It is important to remember the history here. Norway, Denmark Netherlands and Belgium have a half-century-long relationship with Lockheed Martin and the development of the F-16 program. Thus no wonder that all these nations got involved with the F-35 often years before the final procurement decisions were made. As such it is not a new strategy, it is an extension of an existing one. For Finland, it is not a big move either, as they fly the American F-18.
Hey, who cares about pilot's lives, when the politicians and generals get that good Lockheed BRIBE MONEY! Cross reference the F-104G, C-130 deals last century.
If I recall correctly , the P-3B Mod Orion (early 80's) saw early use of the 1553A data bus for sensor and weapon systems integration used by the TACCO (Tactical Coordinator). I was a junior avionics tech/aircrew then, only able to conceptually comprehend the importance of data integration and management. Boy have come a long way since. Another great post Tog 😎, thanks. p.s. A former USN Admiral has written a book "2034". The book in the best tradition of Clancy and FX Holden, is a fictionalized portrait of near future modern warfare with emphasis on the cyber component. I found it a very interesting read.
Dear god can’t we revamp the 23. Northrop Grumman is still the only DoD contractor with a history of “on time on budget” deliveries including most recently the B21.
Because by the time you get through updating the engines, avionics and materials, (and changing the airframe to adapt to these changes) you'd have have a completely different aircraft anyway.
The Air Force just did an upgrade, but they really don't have the money to keep the F-22 flying because between the F-35, The B21, and the NGAD, they barely have enough money to fly the jets they have today. Also, the F-22 has only ever shot down a balloon and dropped about 4 bombs in its entire service history. Meanwhile, the AV8-B Harrier is still on duty and one recently shot down 7 Houthis drones in the Red Sea. These fancy planes get all of the hype, but meanwhile the lowly AV8-B is extending its rich combat history, which is greater than it ever will be for the F-22 and F35. These planes are so expensive to operate and have such poor availability rates that the forces don't seem to fly them for anything but air shows.
The most important change in the F-35 that hasn't been said enough, is that it's price tag has dropped well over 50% from the beginning of its development, it's expensive still obviously, but far more affordable for what you get than anything any other country can provide. That's very significant.
@@sbg911 True and people forget that if you buy a fourth GEN, you have to buy a targeting pod and Ave pod an ECM pod drop tanks etc. which are all very expensive and you have to store them which increases logistics cost
@mcamp9445 Can't believe how many people still claim the F35 is super expensive, esp. for what it offers. Thats upfront and lifecycle too, Even Canada had to reverse their "no F35" stance because it proved cheaper to have than other 4.5 options or even upgrading their F18s to E/Fs
@@sbg911 And how much of the costs were paid with the US Taxpayers debt? Since the "node" isn't going into combat, why not just load all the heavy, power consuming systems into a Land Based version of the Super-Duper Hornet 2 seat? Let's face it, the "Battle management" is going to be done by an E-3 Air-person-critter-thing on the other side of the planet who was recruited at a Video Game tournament.
@geofftimm2291 couldn't disagree more. F18 will be knocked out of the sky by Gen 5-6 before it's even close to making a difference. And F35 INTEGRATED sensor battle management is already an integral part of advanced "wingman" drone warfare, which requires the guidance to come from inside any rapidly and crowded changing battlespace, which the vulnerable AWACS will never do and a Gen4 is unlikely to last long in. Esp if AWACS is knocked out early (practically every enemy gameplan). But hey you have your opinion so I probably won't be changing it here.
The F35 has NOT been selected OVER the Eurofighter. In the UK we operate both types. Both have strengths and weaknesses and they complement each other.
3:24 that chip shortage wasn't just in the car manufacturing industry. it also badly effected the IT industry, which meant it was a double knock on for everyone else.
I'm looking forward to the FA50PL, equipped with the PhantomStrike AESA radar from Raytheon. Weapons for our FA50s have not been selected yet, but there have been some rumors about MBDA and the integration of their weapons with this aircraft.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Nevertheless, Europe has been sleeping when it comes to air force profiles. The Typhoon and the Raphale are good, but EU should have been watching what was going on on their own backyard, regarding the F-117 Nighthawk. Sure, it was the first stealth fighter with lots of childhood problems, but the advantages were there. Then came the F-22, which lacked intercommunication. How could they sleep on that for so long to understand stealth and data link force multiplier? JAS-39 at least got the data link and sensor fusion right...
None of it matters when the flagship jets barely see any real combat operation. Realistically the F35 will end up doing more in ¼ of its service history than the F22 will do before it's replaced.
I completely understand that the f-35 is an outstanding force multiplier , it’s kind of like a mini AWACS, but I believe nato and specially the us need a 5th gen f-15e. A jet with great payload and weapon stations range and stealth.
It’s mostly because of political reasons the small country’s in Europe has chosen F-35. UK, Italy, Spain are only flying F-35B on their aircraft carriers. They are using Eurofighter in the airforce. Germany is only using 15 F-35 for nuclear strike capabilities. Rest of the fleet is Eurofighter. -Now you know.
This was supposed to be a system that was easily upgraded. They called it modular and it would be continual. I guess that was not true. This new “upgrade” appears to be an entire package that can only be introduced as a complete replacement
P-38 with its 6,000 pound external weapon capability was great ground attack platform, anti shipping, escort, pathfinder, night fighter, reconnaissance plane, as well as a day fighter. Very similar to the F-35 it was fantastic at pretty much everything. It was also named after the UK BAE lightning In any case none of the pilots call it the Lighning. The Air Force unofficial name is Panther. The USMC often call theirs the Bee. The USN have been using Raven. It’s actually rare for an aircraft to be called it’s official name by it’s crews
The scary part is as technology including Ai advances, the human pilots is still the fastest processor... Combined with the most sophisticated upgradeable Hard Ward along with an advanced upgradeable software working with Ai side by side with humans pilote… Humans still makes the ultimate to engage or disengage decisions… The computer Ai is so formidable it can detect enemies advance electronics radar and advise the pilots area to avoid to continue its stealth.. Also A I can also pilot the plane not only to avoid human error? It can also temporarily pilot the plane… It goes with if a pilot losses consciousness the System computers can fly and quick maneuver away from enemy fighters and ground air defenses until the pilot gains consciousness to fully take control… Hence notice when a pilots ejects an F35 it continues to fly on its own waiting for the pilot to wake up? It flies waiting or until it run out of fuel and crashes…
Considering it's supposed to serve as a fusion node for intel, why isn't there a second seat to reduce the workload on the pilot who has his hands full just flying the plane?
Because AI piloted drone wingmen are about 5 years around the corner. The idea is the F35 stays out of missile range and sends their drones ahead, then supervises the drones.
Modern machine human interface gets rid of the back seater. Why carry around a person, with all the life-support, and weight penalties required when my two thumbs can do the job? Modern software and sensor-fusion has basically nullified the need for the guy in the back. I fly the F/A-18E (the single seat model) and we can do everything the F/A-18F (the dual seat model) with the added benefit of us also carrying more gas. The EA-18G for the very specified, and very high-end EW missions they do is a two person job though.
As I understand, the cockpit size and placement was driven by the 35B VTOL version lift fan and there's only enough room for 1 seat. I supposed theoretically they could add a back seat to the A and C version, but that'd entail a redesign of those thus eliminating the "commonality" of the 3 variants. And they figure the computer can reduce the pilot workload sufficiently to eliminate the need for such a redesign. As I've heard anyway...
honestly the C model with an adaptive engine, no gun, and lightweight landing gear would be preferable to the f-35A, but the airforce just had to have a gun and 9g capability instead of increased range and improved wingloading. I'm not convinced the increased top speed from smaller wings is more important than increased range and slow speed maneuverability.
Afaik, all model have top speed of mach 1.6 while carrying internal load of 5700 pounds. Also, note that other modern fighter jet can only go at mach 1.2 with similar payload. Edit: sustainable mach 1.6 with 5700 pounds of ordinances/weapons.
Yeah as if the US wants to make the same mistakes with the F-4 about the gun. Yes, yes I know in these days going to the cannon in a air fight means you made so much mistakes you are in a very bad situation as a last resort, but it’s till something to have. Same as soldiers have pistols that they may never use.
Europe should be doing cartwheels they are getting the F-35. But……you’ll keep in disrespecting the US (be careful with that btw). Anywho I have two family members who work for LM and researching fighter jets is a hobby of mine. Guys….this thing is from another world. And the thing is, not only is it affordable, you are getting so much more. They didn’t even need to do 50% of what you’re getting. They could have just made a good jet with stealth and still sold it. Some of its capabilities are insane. It has groundbreaking defense measures. Go read up about plasma filaments? Russia and China did everything to discredit it (that’s where nearly all the negative press originated) and countries are racing to buy it, for a reason.
@@XerrolAvengerII D model wouldn’t be a trainer and there’s not gonna be a two seater if they do end up going DE and possibly F that will likely be block six-ish like 15 years or something
The letters are not generational. They represent distinct varients. Irsrael has the F35I, an F35 with Israeili electronics, communications, and avionics. A, B, C represent varients tailored for different theaters of operation.
The F-35 needs the engine core upgrade. They should come into service in 2029. Then the APG-81 radar will be replaced by the cooler & more capable APG-85. So it is better to wait & get a 2029 F-35 rather than a 2024 F-35.
I cracked up about the 2070. I know about the aeroframe micro fractures occuring at an expedited rate. Much, much fewer operational hours are being completed by pilots before these issues are found.
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Well…..if you’re ok with having 40 year old jets then yes, no problem existed. If you want the worlds most advanced fighter jet for the next 30 plus years then you’d be smart.
I still like the German military i feel like they will do something different or be more advanced it's just because of better ideas snd wide scale and production like example German artillery that shoots while moving with precision because any standing is dead so yeah i still like the German also there military language in intimidation and power just look at there history from ww1 and ww2 over there thinking in strategy i don't doubt the German will do something in the future changing our lifes and replacing the current technology the Germans over they are smart they might not be the most powerful but just remember they were along time ago when it came to technology and strategy and intimidation
@@jammiedodger7040 that’s not correct, you can also just google. Italy Norway Australia the neatherlands and Denmark. Lastly the United Kingdom.turkey use to be one.
@@jammiedodger7040 are you special? Firstly Britain has less than 100 f35s there are over 1000 that’s both 1/4 nit even close. Secondly having a certain number doesn’t make you a partner. a partner are nato countries who helps develop the program. As the ones I named above.
he first Chinese government intelligence officer ever to be extradited to the United States to stand trial was sentenced today in federal court in Cincinnati. Yanjun Xu, 42, was sentenced to 20 years in prison. According to court documents, Xu targeted American aviation companies, recruited employees to travel to China, and solicited their proprietary information, all on behalf of the government of the People’s Republic of China (PRC).
Yeah in todays era you need a true 5 gen fighter with this kind of stealth or else you pretty much done. Modern air combat is not like we see in top gun fokes lol like many believes haha
And this is why the US should never share, nor sell technology to Europeans again. And should even consider leaving NATO. The disrespect has gotten out of control.
@SeanP7195 USA scams, bribes and pays off nations to buy its bricks. Australia Sub deal? Corruption rooted out. F-104? F-4? F-35? All been proven to be corruption.
Actually the purchase price of the F-35 is lower than Gripen and much lower than Rafale, both of those aircraft also require targeting pods, ECM pods, navigation pods and external fuel tanks and have to carry their weapons externally. Also, F 35 maintenance costs are coming down quite rapidly. They are already cheaper than the other 15 and closing in on the F-16.
how can you count switzerland and finnland to the list? they didn't even receive ONE of the promised jets, and probably will have to count for SEVERE delays of deliverys and even worse: severe lack of promised capabilities (eg switzerland was promised an adaptive engine which will NEVER come, and that was known already when the F-35 was evaluated!!) - great chances that with ongoing delays, several states who need to replace their old jets might actually cancel the orders! as evaluation-programs in europe show: lockheed-salespeople can sell the thing, but most airforces are UNHAPPY with the F-35.
true, but neither finnland, switzerland nor the czech republic can wait, they all need to replace their current jets ASAP (switzerland and finland by 2030, delivery must start in 2027 or they don't have it at the flightline in time), and the agreement the czech had before they turned down the gripen-offer (they gotten 20 used Gripen-C to be replaced by the Gripen-E, but since they no longer buy the -E) is void, so they have to return their gripen-c by 2025. all these countries ordered block 4, which acc. airforce and lockheed-pressreleases will not fly until 2029 (IF they can sign a contract for the ECUu until this summer, but since neither pratt&whitney nor GE want to bid for the ECU, ...) @@pahtar7189 ALSO - NGAD will have its maiden flight in 2030, Tempest in 2035 (both projects are ahead of their project-plans, tempest gotten the boost from the japanese "godzilla"-project), 6thgen gonna be available before 2040, so why buy this headache of jet called F-35, if you just need to bridge the time for gen 6? edit: gave my best to reduce typos. if you still find some - keep 'em, i got plenty more...
No Air Force has been unhappy and the plane has more than enough range and capability for Switzerland both countries will get there aircraft on time. Think about it like this every single fighter contract that the F 35 has been offered in the F 35 has won, every single one. Agsint the Gripen, Rafale, F-15/16/18, Eurofighter.There is a reason for that, it’s the best option for those air forces.
@seanprice7645not necessairly, as a swiss who watched the evaluation as close as possible: Lockheed is selling the F-35 as "finished product", says it will totally be able to deliver on time, overestimates the capabilities, cheats with the data, aka: makes wrong promises. They have good salespersonell, but that's it. What helps especially is, that no pilot of a foreign nation is allowed flying the thing before the F-35 is delivered to that country. The evaluation-flights are done by USAF-pilots flying and reporting their results to the eval-crew. also Lockheed knows how to interpret the language. Eg. the "airpolice intercept-evaluation" in switzerland: task: full tank, two air-to-air-missile loaded on external pods, ammo for the canon; advance best speed toward the "target" and establish communication as airpolice-sorti. Airbus, Dassault and Boeing did it by the word. Lockheed reduced tank-load, only loaded one missle, identified the "target" as such, returned to base. Their argument was they loaded the same amount of fuel as the others (?), their jet can hit with just one missile (in the internal shaft), the F-35s system identified the target earlier than the others. Right, but what if the target had no more radio? Airpolice is about SIGNING-LANGUAGE, Identifying the pilots intend. It's also known that with the slow climbing-rates of the F-35 and slow max-speed could never rendezvous in the given timeframe with the target (it would have crossed half of the country when the F-35 intercepted), "with the F-35 there's no more need doing a whole intercept mission". "Strangly enough" swiss federal counsil used exactly these words to tell the people WHY the F-35 won. (also they promised Switzerland the adaptive engine, which was already known to not be available in Block 4) IMHO it is a dangerous tactic; especially since we all know what the F-35 would have identified the planes from 911, right? ("oh just commecial liners, lets head back" - as in: bilateral contact...) THUS: In Switzerland, both Airbus and Dassault demanded an abitration due to so many flaws in the Lockheed-offer were obvious. Same in the czech republic: all was in favour for the Gripen-E, since the F-35 is the wrong joice for the job (demand as switzerland: fast and agile interceptor, not a striker), it came to a great surprise that they went for Lockheed. Austria is to follow; same requirements (mainly jets for airpolice), Lockheed just opened an office there and US-politicians started traveliing to vienna. (wanna bet what they choose? Eventough - as in 2000 - the Gripen is the OBVIOUS choice for austria?
@@mcamp9445see, there is where you're wrong: "winning a contract" isn't the deciding factor! It's politics. Since in such projects the methods vary; also: 1. HAPYNESS ask the dutch, danish and norwegian airforce (and ask the australians why they do not station the F-35 close to the sea). their mission-readyiness-rate is terribly low since the salty air they have (close to the sea) attacking the systems. ALSO they had to retrofit a dragchute, as they can't use salt to make the runways icefree thus the F-35 can't break otherwhise. True, Switzerland does not have sea. But our pilots need to go there to train low-level-flights aso; also in winter, we have snow, and our bases only have 5km usable runways, while in formentioned countries, they have a 6km-runway (and a dire need of drag-chute) 2. range is secondary for use in Switzerland. We gonna have 3 bases to do the whole job. We need a fast, agile interceptor, not a longrange attack-plane wrongfully considerd "F" and not "A" (what it truly is). The F-35 climbs slower and is slower than the competitors! Flying from Emmen or Meiringen, an intercept with the F-35 will be possible over lake Zurich or the Gotthard-massive, but not over eg. St. Gallen or Graubünden! (half of the country will no longer be covered!!!) 3. yeah, the F-35 keeps winning, eventhough all competitors scream "FOUL" at Lockheed; in Switzerland, there's so much uncovered how Lockheed not only cheated during evaluation (reporting full tanks when they started with 25% and bairly made it back - no swiss pilot was allowed flying the F-35) ; for eg lockheed promised the adaptive engine when the decission to purge that idea was already one year old; they promised prises that were already known as "not realistic", they promised pilot-training being possible by simulator only when in the US they started to test the T-X bc they realised switching from turboprop (Texan II, which is a license-built of the Pilatus PC21 switzerland is using) is a too big step for the pilots; the offer containing almost no air-2-air, meaning Switzerland has to re-use the old systems which can't be lanuched from internal bay thus "beastmode" aka external pods, reducing max-speed of the F-35 to mach 1.2 (see point 2) 4. for switzerland, the delivery time is exceptionally important: the F-5 will be decomissioned in 2025 - it is considered dangerous to fly with!. The F-18 - also a wrong choice for it not being made for swiss needs (fast and agile maneuvers are stressfull to the body) - can bairly go on after the last refurbishments, the main body of the swiss F-18C is overstressed, microfractures in supporting elements are the LEAST of the issues! 2030, the new fighter must be ready at the flightline! latest official reports: first delivery to switzerland will not be before 2033 (meaning: ONE jet being delivered in 2033, the rest delived acc. the timetable: 5 more in 2035, the rest until 2038!!!). The competitors would all have been on time, able to use swiss runways (even the emergency-strips in St. Stephan and Sion (less than 4km), indifferent to the "saline-situation", ... ...Lockheed has a good sales-department, but that's it. In Switzerland, the F-35 won for the same reason as the SuperPuma/Cougar back in the day: one visit of the "big guy" and the decission was made. Strange, isn't it? Never forget: these deals are politics. *But now, since I've explained to you why i think the F-35 being the wrong choice for Switzerland* : Explain to me how the F-35, which is too slow to intercept (under current condition, they wont be flying 24/7, so think emergency-scramble) over whole switzerland (which will not be attacking another country, no nato-member (yet, since the F-35 which capabilities only make sense in a nato-enviroment)) , shall be the best fighterjet for the country? (as said: remember: only alert-scramble, 99% airpolice-missions - and also for the unavoidlable "datalink"-point, try to explain how this helps with current swiss systems who are totally not compatible, with only a squad of two jets in the air) EDIT: also there's no guarantee Block4 will ever be made! NGAD scheduled for maidenflight in 2030, F-22 getting a complete overhaul (it was scheduled for decomission in 2024, this no longer going to happen!), bc the USAF is extremly UNHAPPY with all the issues sourrounding the F-35! Also in europe, the Tempest will have its maiden flight in 2035. Just think about it - no more need for Gen5, just bridge the time for Gen6! Remember? Politics. Might be interesting to check if, right before a type-decission, some important us-politician visited the country; Switzerland: Biden went there, especially asking for a meeting with Viola Amherd (minister of defense); before that, the Rafale was believed to be winning, even by Armasuisse (Swiss DoE) and VBS (swiss MoD) - after Biden left, Amherd announced the F-35 as winner... Coincidence?? Me not tink so (all the other federal counsils busy negotiating with france about the contract-detail, how would this happen if the decission was for the other jet??) ;)
Even with the block 4 upgrades it's not going to be the best fighter. That doesn't mean it wont be absolutely lethal and a very important asset in our skies.
@@SeanP7195 any one of the 6th gen dedicated air superiority fighters coming online within the coming years. America's own NGAD and F/A-XX, Us brits are teaming up with Japan and Italy to make the Tempest, I think Germany France and Spain are making one too. Check out 'Ward Carroll's Deep intel on 6th Gen' here on YT, v informative
As the saying goes. YGBSM. The Fat Amy is a failure. Always has been always will be. Too complicated, to expensive and trying to be all things at once. First, replace the A-10 and the AV8-B? Can you see this expensive STEALTH jet moving mud to support troops? Don't make me laugh. Air-Air? Unless you hang iron in beast mode (bye-bye stealth) it will be swarmed. It's max speed is Mach 1.2, slowest fighter since the 1950s. What you're sell is the propaganda put out by DoD P. R. Weenies instead of what trades report. The DoD itself, years ago, said it would never live up to it's hype but couldn't be allowed to fail. (I smell Congressional interference) No one in the military calls it Lightning II. In polite company they call it Fat Amy. You can tell a lot about how good a jet is by what a pilot calls it. We have REAL fighters that will do a job F-15 EX Super Eagle, F-16V Vipers (only sold overseas) and F/A-18 Super Hornets. I remember the last time some genius came up with the idea of one jet for everything. The FB-111 Aardvark. If you know aircraft you know how well that worked out. The only way Fat Amy is even in the air is by being the "Flying Waiver."
You have some good points, but the last Jack-of-all-trades plane was the F/A-18E and F Super Hornet. Mach 1.2 is not fast for a fighter, but it's substantially faster than an AV-8B Harrier.
It still has a lot of problems to fix yet that will take many more years yet, and there is no such thing as a silver bullet/perfect jet fighter that they make this jet out to be@@pahtar7189
Wrong. If you don't know it's there, If you can't see it, You can't shoot it or Shoot at it. You'll be dead before you know it's there. It's like a Sniper, You don't know They are there and Boom your life is over.
@GOBUCS82 Wrong, wrong, wrong! Stealth, on the F-22 and F-35, works in the X-Band. They can be tracked easily by IR scanning, photocontrast, laser, acoustic signature, electronic signature, etc. Stealth planes cannot kill a modern plane without being seen. That is a myth. RWR exists, IR sensors, all these methods to sense missile locks and missiles themselves. You will be found. And no Stealth can stop a full-on jam of your radar. PS. Stealth can be achieved with electronics to a better degree than any F-22 paint
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 It's doesn't just work against X-band radars, it's more effective against higher frequency radars but it also makes it harder to get a tracking solution with lower frequency radars. You can detect a plane with EOTS/IR, ELINT, etc., but you can't get a long-range firing solution with it.
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 6th gen fighters will be stealthy and more countries are pushing towards developing their own 5th gen fighters. Having stealth is an advantage, not having stealth is a disadvantage. Countries wouldn't be developing stealthy 6th gen fighters if that wasn't the case.
And to this day…..even to this day everyone is gnashing their teeth about this dream machine. What is your friggin deal lol? You’re getting stealth in your hands. You’re getting skunkworks people. Not a jet made from a damned car company (ohh it’s got a pit crew how cute). And it’s affordable and all I hear is Europeans grumbling. Look guys, get over your anti American nonsense you’ve been brainwashed with (to take your minds off your own nations huge flaws). Be thankful you got this masterpiece at your fingertips. Who cares how much LM makes. Who cares how much the US spent or will recover. Trust me, they’ll be fine either way. My car is German, my camera is Japanese, my computer is American, my coffee is Colombians and my chocolate is Swiss. Some countries are just good at things and Americans can make jets like no one’s business.
The F35 cost overruns, still plagued with problems such as lacking the range needed for a war with China in the Pacific. The cost/benefit ratio may never be obtained.
It’s actually cheaper than any western fighter to buy at this point and has more range than the F-22, F-18, F-14, A-10, F-16. The only one that compares to it is The F-15 with conformal fuel tanks and or three external tanks. The engine upgrade will add a bit of range and the in devolpment supersonic stealth drop tanks being developed for the F-22 will also eventually be added to the F-35.
AIM-260 JTAM will be integrated within 1-2 years; will be vastly superior to the PL-15. Not to mention, first fire capability of the PL-15 is irrelevant when the F-35 can't be targeted until it's well within the range of the F-35's current AIM-120D. F-35 can still see first and shoot first.
Cost overruns? It’s cheaper than a Eurofighter and about the same, even slightly cheaper than a Gripen. I don’t think you quite understand its mission capabilities.
F35b is part Russian, Lockheed martin bought the Russian yak-121 and uses it in f-35b, Lockheed hid the purchase of yak-121 from congress (black project), British Harrier could not achieve supersonic because of its integration of V-tol, and S-tol, the yak-121 was supersonic and V-tol and S-tol.
@@galvinstanley3235Rafale uses electronic jamming and sensors to achieve long range, its actually more for long range than the F-35; Supercruise with high weapons load in order to use kinetic energy better.
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 the typhoon is objectively better in air combat, the Rafale has some wins against the f22 in tests but the typhoon consistently matches it in WVR trials, there’s nothing else in the nato and allies market like for air to air combat when it comes to 4th gen aircraft except maaaayyybe the f15 EX. Where the Rafale wins in foreign sales is better multirole capability though, as well as better pricing and previous bias from buyers who already bought and liked the mirage series
Any further work on F35 will delay the work on the sixth generation, which should be upgrade from F22 not F35. F35 has inherent design that it prevents it to be maneuverable.
the f35 doesn't have to be maneuver like the f22 the f35 has a 400k helmet were it can lock 360 degrees and shoot unlike the f22 it needs to point it nose to shoot a enemy down
It is more maneuverable than an F-16 in a one circle fight while still having the nose authority and AoA of the F-18, and also not being far behind in other regimes as stated by officials and pilots. And plus the USAF is having the F35 be the 5th gen workhorse in the future, F22 is not as modular since it was developed from the get go with integrated systems that aren't easy to upgrade or replace for something else. Yes, the F22 is planned to receive some NGAD tech which will extend its service life for a couple years, but F35 is planned to have multiple upgrades in the future that won't be that much of a pain to add on to.
The fancy planes get the press and meanwhile, the AV8-B is what is out there shooting down Houthis drones. The workhorse F-18s and AV8-Bs are much more valuable to us than the F-22 and F-23, neither of which has ever shot down a plane and rarely drop a bomb. Mostly they just go to air shows. The F-35 is a plane that is supposed to be able to do everything, but in reality, does very little. The Air Force can't get ride of the F-22 fast enough and is eager to replace it with the NGAD, which if the F-35 program is an indicator, will be 10 years late to enter service, and at doublet the price that was given to the US. Lockheed knows that once the program starts, the Government has a blank check that they will put in any amount that Lockheed tells them to, and Lockheed will tell congress that it will be ready when it is ready.
@@ProudFilthyCasual Enlighten me about my errors. The F-35 program had its roots in the early 90s Common Affordable Light Fighter (CALF) program (and as we all know, the F-35 is the least affordable fighter ever made). This evolved onto the JSF program. The design proposals were made in the mid 90s, and the contract for the demonstrators in 1997, with the F-35A first flying in 2000, with the promise of a service entry date of 2010. The cost overruns were staggering, and the schedule kept slipping until finally, in 2015, over 5 years late, and still not fully mission capable. Even today, the F35 has not started "Full rate production", which Lockeed had originally put at 2013, but turned out 11 years late. By the way, did you know that the US cannot do the depot level maintenance on the F-35? We are dependent on Lockheed to do that even today, and that is why the maintenance on this aircraft is so high. As for combat, no F-22 or F-35 has ever engaged in arial combat with any maneuvering opponent. The Might F22's only kill was a balloon, and it was used once to drop some guided bombs on a terrorist leader, a job that could have easily been accomplished by a F-18. So tell me, what is it that I don't understand about this program? All of the engine cores have to be replaced. There was originally supposed to be an alternate engine program, but the program was already late and over budget, so the Pentagon killed the alternate engine program, so now we are stuck with P&W. When there is no competition, you can bet you are getting hosed. Anyway, set me straight? Have I made any mistakes in what I have said?
@@BullGator-kd6ge US aircraft carriers don't carry Harriers, US LHD(helo carriers) carry Harriers or US Marine bases. USS Bataan it went to Eastern Mediterranean when USS Eisenhower came to Red Sea.
The French Dassault Rafale is the much better fighter jet. Just ask India and all the other prospectus buyers. This software updates are very reminiscent to MS Windows and blue screen crashes ..
A Rafale would be obliterated in a realistic modern BVR engagement scenario against an F-35. It's essentially a bow and arrow versus a firearm. You cannot know anything about modern combat aviation and reasonably come to that conclusion.
@@volatilecolonIf you know nothing about fighters that sounds true Rafale has better electronic warfare, better missiles in the Meteor, better jamming, better Infrared seeking, and multiband radar. Its called real developments
@@PeterPan-ev7dr India admits stealth fighters are better for offensive operations The Rafaela was a stop gap Both France and Indus have at various points tried to make a stealth fighter
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Without the upgrades, it would already be at the top air combat craft in Europe
It is important to remember the history here. Norway, Denmark Netherlands and Belgium have a half-century-long relationship with Lockheed Martin and the development of the F-16 program. Thus no wonder that all these nations got involved with the F-35 often years before the final procurement decisions were made. As such it is not a new strategy, it is an extension of an existing one.
For Finland, it is not a big move either, as they fly the American F-18.
Do UK Italy and Germany and almost certainly soon to be Spain are the people who build a hero fighter and they’ve all ordered the F 35 that says a lot
Hey, who cares about pilot's lives, when the politicians and generals get that good Lockheed BRIBE MONEY! Cross reference the F-104G, C-130 deals last century.
@@mcamp9445 it’s only the B variant for their aircraft carrier. Eurofighter is the main aircraft in the airforce.
Lockheed has a history of the F-104 bribe scandals
@@mcamp9445F-35 isn't a fighter
If I recall correctly , the P-3B Mod Orion (early 80's) saw early use of the 1553A data bus for sensor and weapon systems integration used by the TACCO (Tactical Coordinator). I was a junior avionics tech/aircrew then, only able to conceptually comprehend the importance of data integration and management. Boy have come a long way since. Another great post Tog 😎, thanks.
p.s. A former USN Admiral has written a book "2034". The book in the best tradition of Clancy and FX Holden, is a fictionalized portrait of near future modern warfare with emphasis on the cyber component. I found it a very interesting read.
Thanks for mentioning the book. Even though I have a stack of 10 to still read, I’ll be adding this one soon.
Cheers
Well done! Always, informative and well-produced videos from this channel!!
Thank you for your efforts!
Where's the link to the video about the engine upgrade in the description???
F-35 Engine video: ruclips.net/video/9lXJWFULCiY/видео.htmlsi=O2XB9KgNb7MNkLXr
Dear god can’t we revamp the 23. Northrop Grumman is still the only DoD contractor with a history of “on time on budget” deliveries including most recently the B21.
Why? That money’s all going to NGAD.
Because by the time you get through updating the engines, avionics and materials, (and changing the airframe to adapt to these changes) you'd have have a completely different aircraft anyway.
The Air Force just did an upgrade, but they really don't have the money to keep the F-22 flying because between the F-35, The B21, and the NGAD, they barely have enough money to fly the jets they have today. Also, the F-22 has only ever shot down a balloon and dropped about 4 bombs in its entire service history. Meanwhile, the AV8-B Harrier is still on duty and one recently shot down 7 Houthis drones in the Red Sea. These fancy planes get all of the hype, but meanwhile the lowly AV8-B is extending its rich combat history, which is greater than it ever will be for the F-22 and F35. These planes are so expensive to operate and have such poor availability rates that the forces don't seem to fly them for anything but air shows.
@@shenmisheshou7002 I believe he's talking about simply updating the Northrup YF-23, not the Lockheed Martin F-22....
@@helifanodobezanozi7689 The YF-23 was never produced, there aren't any to update!
Can't wait for the German F35s. It will synergize so well with the Eurofighter.
They didn't purchase f35s
@@johnback0007 Uhm yes we did. Delivery starts in 2026. You're not up to date.
Will it spy on the Kanzler aswell?
@@Mastakilla91 if the earth is flat maybe. Who knows
@@Mastakilla91no need to spy the German Ampel government 😂. They are desteoying themsemf.
The most important change in the F-35 that hasn't been said enough, is that it's price tag has dropped well over 50% from the beginning of its development, it's expensive still obviously, but far more affordable for what you get than anything any other country can provide. That's very significant.
F35A Lots 14-15 sold for USD$70mill. You cant get a 4.5Gen for that. Latest Lots 17-18 are up but still only $77mill.
@@sbg911 True and people forget that if you buy a fourth GEN, you have to buy a targeting pod and Ave pod an ECM pod drop tanks etc. which are all very expensive and you have to store them which increases logistics cost
@mcamp9445 Can't believe how many people still claim the F35 is super expensive, esp. for what it offers. Thats upfront and lifecycle too, Even Canada had to reverse their "no F35" stance because it proved cheaper to have than other 4.5 options or even upgrading their F18s to E/Fs
@@sbg911 And how much of the costs were paid with the US Taxpayers debt? Since the "node" isn't going into combat, why not just load all the heavy, power consuming systems into a Land Based version of the Super-Duper Hornet 2 seat? Let's face it, the "Battle management" is going to be done by an E-3 Air-person-critter-thing on the other side of the planet who was recruited at a Video Game tournament.
@geofftimm2291 couldn't disagree more. F18 will be knocked out of the sky by Gen 5-6 before it's even close to making a difference. And F35 INTEGRATED sensor battle management is already an integral part of advanced "wingman" drone warfare, which requires the guidance to come from inside any rapidly and crowded changing battlespace, which the vulnerable AWACS will never do and a Gen4 is unlikely to last long in. Esp if AWACS is knocked out early (practically every enemy gameplan). But hey you have your opinion so I probably won't be changing it here.
The F35 has NOT been selected OVER the Eurofighter. In the UK we operate both types. Both have strengths and weaknesses and they complement each other.
The same in germany
Nonsense. Think, man, think! UK is not the only operator of the F-35.
@@KRGruner ? Do you read the comment?
@@thomasmaier9109 Yes.
The F-35 is a far superior beast, a foolish government that is more nationalistic than intelligent would purchase Eurofighter and Rafael now.
another great video - Thanks Pilot !!
3:24 that chip shortage wasn't just in the car manufacturing industry. it also badly effected the IT industry, which meant it was a double knock on for everyone else.
Excellent point and thanks for commenting!
@@PilotPhotogCanada just bought 70.
Your description "combat information node in the sky" is one of the best descriptions. better than flying supercomputer!
great little cockpit video clip revealing the touchscreen AI powered interface of the FB35LIGHTNING with speech recognition.
F35 is a super computer, that flys.
ITS A PIECE OF JUNK.
With the updated Block 4 and ANG85 radar, it is a beast.
120K…moving on up, Tog.
Thanks Ted! Onward and upward my friend!
Please do a video on the B-2 or B-21
Here you go: ruclips.net/video/V23WeExYMsA/видео.html
When are you going to talk about Korea's KAI T-50 an its LIFT and Multirole Variants TA-50 and FA-50?
I'm looking forward to the FA50PL, equipped with the PhantomStrike AESA radar from Raytheon. Weapons for our FA50s have not been selected yet, but there have been some rumors about MBDA and the integration of their weapons with this aircraft.
@@albertkowalski5629 are you by chance, a Polish?
@@KyoushaPumpItUp yes.
@@albertkowalski5629 the mention of FA-50PL made me realize it. I wish our FA-50s will also be upgraded into the Block 20 standard.
Hindsight is always 20/20. Nevertheless, Europe has been sleeping when it comes to air force profiles.
The Typhoon and the Raphale are good, but EU should have been watching what was going on on their own backyard, regarding the F-117 Nighthawk.
Sure, it was the first stealth fighter with lots of childhood problems, but the advantages were there. Then came the F-22, which lacked intercommunication.
How could they sleep on that for so long to understand stealth and data link force multiplier? JAS-39 at least got the data link and sensor fusion right...
In regards to data link and sensor fusion that's literally nothing new for our European delta wings😂
None of it matters when the flagship jets barely see any real combat operation. Realistically the F35 will end up doing more in ¼ of its service history than the F22 will do before it's replaced.
Do we know anything about the physical (thrust/speed) performance upgrades?
I completely understand that the f-35 is an outstanding force multiplier , it’s kind of like a mini AWACS, but I believe nato and specially the us need a 5th gen f-15e. A jet with great payload and weapon stations range and stealth.
F-35 is very muchly great 👍
(Dunno how to describe it)
OUTSTANDING 👌👌
The F35 linked with drone wingmen and AI will be formidable indeed.
lovely plane !
It already is. By far!
The F-35 also known as the defense contractors ATM
It’s mostly because of political reasons the small country’s in Europe has chosen F-35.
UK, Italy, Spain are only flying F-35B on their aircraft carriers. They are using Eurofighter in the airforce.
Germany is only using 15 F-35 for nuclear strike capabilities. Rest of the fleet is Eurofighter.
-Now you know.
Germany is behind in everything,their military can't be streangthened.
This was supposed to be a system that was easily upgraded. They called it modular and it would be continual. I guess that was not true. This new “upgrade” appears to be an entire package that can only be introduced as a complete replacement
Lightning the original name for the Raptor. What a great homage to the P 38 it would’ve been. Not so much for the jack of all trades F35
P-38 with its 6,000 pound external weapon capability was great ground attack platform, anti shipping, escort, pathfinder, night fighter, reconnaissance plane, as well as a day fighter. Very similar to the F-35 it was fantastic at pretty much everything. It was also named after the UK BAE lightning
In any case none of the pilots call it the Lighning. The Air Force unofficial name is Panther. The USMC often call theirs the Bee. The USN have been using Raven. It’s actually rare for an aircraft to be called it’s official name by it’s crews
Right here, right now.
thank you as always!
@@PilotPhotog sure thing, you're the best, on your square..🙋🏻...😎
The scary part is as technology including Ai advances, the human pilots is still the fastest processor... Combined with the most sophisticated upgradeable Hard Ward along with an advanced upgradeable software working with Ai side by side with humans pilote… Humans still makes the ultimate to engage or disengage decisions… The computer Ai is so formidable it can detect enemies advance electronics radar and advise the pilots area to avoid to continue its stealth.. Also A I can also pilot the plane not only to avoid human error? It can also temporarily pilot the plane… It goes with if a pilot losses consciousness the System computers can fly and quick maneuver away from enemy fighters and ground air defenses until the pilot gains consciousness to fully take control… Hence notice when a pilots ejects an F35 it continues to fly on its own waiting for the pilot to wake up? It flies waiting or until it run out of fuel and crashes…
But can't land wtf sounds suboptimal
Considering it's supposed to serve as a fusion node for intel, why isn't there a second seat to reduce the workload on the pilot who has his hands full just flying the plane?
Because AI piloted drone wingmen are about 5 years around the corner.
The idea is the F35 stays out of missile range and sends their drones ahead, then supervises the drones.
Modern machine human interface gets rid of the back seater. Why carry around a person, with all the life-support, and weight penalties required when my two thumbs can do the job? Modern software and sensor-fusion has basically nullified the need for the guy in the back. I fly the F/A-18E (the single seat model) and we can do everything the F/A-18F (the dual seat model) with the added benefit of us also carrying more gas. The EA-18G for the very specified, and very high-end EW missions they do is a two person job though.
@@brodcaster14 Pilot's associate is an AI system to help the pilot deal with everything.
Because the onboard computer already does that
As I understand, the cockpit size and placement was driven by the 35B VTOL version lift fan and there's only enough room for 1 seat. I supposed theoretically they could add a back seat to the A and C version, but that'd entail a redesign of those thus eliminating the "commonality" of the 3 variants. And they figure the computer can reduce the pilot workload sufficiently to eliminate the need for such a redesign. As I've heard anyway...
It already is Europe's best fighter jet.. Only plane in the world that would beat it in a realistic engagement scenario is the F-22.
Except that's been proven wrong a few times, in fantasy land people say that
Best fighter ever
That hasn't been proven yet!
@@KellyBrownlee most fighters aren’t proven
Its a bit strange to buy such aircraft when developing a new one. Or did that somehow change.. FCAS i still happing?
honestly the C model with an adaptive engine, no gun, and lightweight landing gear would be preferable to the f-35A, but the airforce just had to have a gun and 9g capability instead of increased range and improved wingloading. I'm not convinced the increased top speed from smaller wings is more important than increased range and slow speed maneuverability.
Afaik, all model have top speed of mach 1.6 while carrying internal load of 5700 pounds.
Also, note that other modern fighter jet can only go at mach 1.2 with similar payload.
Edit: sustainable mach 1.6 with 5700 pounds of ordinances/weapons.
@@yohanessugiarto8620 F15 enters the chat. 😂😂
@@michaelpetty8416 Yep, welcome.
Yeah as if the US wants to make the same mistakes with the F-4 about the gun.
Yes, yes I know in these days going to the cannon in a air fight means you made so much mistakes you are in a very bad situation as a last resort, but it’s till something to have.
Same as soldiers have pistols that they may never use.
@@yohanessugiarto8620 They can all hit Mach 1.6 minus the fuel it took to get to Mark 1.6 hell of a lot more than 5700 pounds
The F-35 still has allot of problem, one thing is the engine that overheats.
It might be a better idea for other countries to abandon their plans for a new fighter if the F-35 can be a better fighter jet.
Apparently they have. There are two types of jet purchasers right now. Those buying the F-35 and those not allowed to.
@@SeanP7195 There still FACS but thats more a gen 6.
All the hate it got from people before didn't aged very well. We who knew better knew this would end up to be the best fighter jet.
A bit misleading, it´s not Eurofighter OR F35, it´s often Eurofighter AND F35. Britain and Germany for exampel.
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Top fighter jet, don't know about that? But sure it will be most expensive one!
Here, here.
I almost didn't finish watching amid the marathon commercial in the middle.
Europe should be doing cartwheels they are getting the F-35. But……you’ll keep in disrespecting the US (be careful with that btw). Anywho I have two family members who work for LM and researching fighter jets is a hobby of mine. Guys….this thing is from another world. And the thing is, not only is it affordable, you are getting so much more. They didn’t even need to do 50% of what you’re getting. They could have just made a good jet with stealth and still sold it. Some of its capabilities are insane. It has groundbreaking defense measures. Go read up about plasma filaments? Russia and China did everything to discredit it (that’s where nearly all the negative press originated) and countries are racing to buy it, for a reason.
When will they be called the F-35D and E?
well the D model would be a trainer, and the E model would have two seats and carry more... oh you mean the f-35?
@@XerrolAvengerII D model wouldn’t be a trainer and there’s not gonna be a two seater if they do end up going DE and possibly F that will likely be block six-ish like 15 years or something
The letters are not generational. They represent distinct varients.
Irsrael has the F35I, an F35 with Israeili electronics, communications, and avionics.
A, B, C represent varients tailored for different theaters of operation.
@elijah_9392 and the block 4 will have a upgraded engine and new avionics for new weapons. Sounds like a D/E to me.
F35 is better choice but YF23 bring it back need to see how good is it as I have been hearing a lot about YF23
The F-35 needs the engine core upgrade. They should come into service in 2029. Then the APG-81 radar will be replaced by the cooler & more capable APG-85. So it is better to wait & get a 2029 F-35 rather than a 2024 F-35.
Probably, but the world isn’t very pretty right now. You buy in 2029 you’re looking at 2035 before you even get your first wing up.
06:47 ...Similar to ours... ?
It already is.
You sold me.. now i want one..
I cracked up about the 2070. I know about the aeroframe micro fractures occuring at an expedited rate. Much, much fewer operational hours are being completed by pilots before these issues are found.
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The f35 is like a 'solution' to a problem that never existed 🤣
I'll take a block F4 or future block F5 Rafale over the F35 any time.
@@KellyBrownleeAnd you’ll be hanging from silk before you knew you were in combat
@@KellyBrownleeThen you’d be dumb.
Well…..if you’re ok with having 40 year old jets then yes, no problem existed. If you want the worlds most advanced fighter jet for the next 30 plus years then you’d be smart.
Short answer: no
This Channel loves to dream. IT WILL NOT HAPPEN!!!! THE USA CAN NOT AFFORD IT!!!
It already has.
I still like the German military i feel like they will do something different or be more advanced it's just because of better ideas snd wide scale and production like example German artillery that shoots while moving with precision because any standing is dead so yeah i still like the German also there military language in intimidation and power just look at there history from ww1 and ww2 over there thinking in strategy i don't doubt the German will do something in the future changing our lifes and replacing the current technology the Germans over they are smart they might not be the most powerful but just remember they were along time ago when it came to technology and strategy and intimidation
Actually technically the F-35 is partly European because Britain is a partner in the F-35.
Most countries in the program take part in its production. Parts come from many nations. But it’s an American deign.
@@RW-zn8vy Nope Britain is the only partner of the F-35.
@@jammiedodger7040 that’s not correct, you can also just google. Italy Norway Australia the neatherlands and Denmark. Lastly the United Kingdom.turkey use to be one.
@@RW-zn8vy It is correct Britain is the only actual partner of the F-35 1/4 of the F-35 are British.
@@jammiedodger7040 are you special? Firstly Britain has less than 100 f35s there are over 1000 that’s both 1/4 nit even close. Secondly having a certain number doesn’t make you a partner. a partner are nato countries who helps develop the program. As the ones I named above.
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Yeah in todays era you need a true 5 gen fighter with this kind of stealth or else you pretty much done. Modern air combat is not like we see in top gun fokes lol like many believes haha
No F 35 cant replace the 1200 Eurofighters in European services because it's American that's the reason enough to build a European competitior.
And this is why the US should never share, nor sell technology to Europeans again. And should even consider leaving NATO. The disrespect has gotten out of control.
@SeanP7195 USA scams, bribes and pays off nations to buy its bricks. Australia Sub deal? Corruption rooted out. F-104? F-4? F-35? All been proven to be corruption.
rafale or gripen, are a good +1, as the maintenance of F35 is nothing else than a nightmare
Raffle was the only aircraft to get a missle lock on to the F- 22 Raptor in a training mission
And cost of flying it.
@@tracycoloradoIn that war game the Rafale got shot down like 20 times before on managed to get a lock.
Yeah but only in a very specific scenario,solely for our own understandings. The f22 is miles beyond the rafale and it’s not comparable.
Actually the purchase price of the F-35 is lower than Gripen and much lower than Rafale, both of those aircraft also require targeting pods, ECM pods, navigation pods and external fuel tanks and have to carry their weapons externally. Also, F 35 maintenance costs are coming down quite rapidly. They are already cheaper than the other 15 and closing in on the F-16.
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how can you count switzerland and finnland to the list? they didn't even receive ONE of the promised jets, and probably will have to count for SEVERE delays of deliverys and even worse: severe lack of promised capabilities (eg switzerland was promised an adaptive engine which will NEVER come, and that was known already when the F-35 was evaluated!!) - great chances that with ongoing delays, several states who need to replace their old jets might actually cancel the orders!
as evaluation-programs in europe show: lockheed-salespeople can sell the thing, but most airforces are UNHAPPY with the F-35.
Some of the nations who haven't received any F-35s yet chose to delay their deliveries to avoid the "V 1.0" teething problems.
true, but neither finnland, switzerland nor the czech republic can wait, they all need to replace their current jets ASAP (switzerland and finland by 2030, delivery must start in 2027 or they don't have it at the flightline in time), and the agreement the czech had before they turned down the gripen-offer (they gotten 20 used Gripen-C to be replaced by the Gripen-E, but since they no longer buy the -E) is void, so they have to return their gripen-c by 2025. all these countries ordered block 4, which acc. airforce and lockheed-pressreleases will not fly until 2029 (IF they can sign a contract for the ECUu until this summer, but since neither pratt&whitney nor GE want to bid for the ECU, ...) @@pahtar7189 ALSO - NGAD will have its maiden flight in 2030, Tempest in 2035 (both projects are ahead of their project-plans, tempest gotten the boost from the japanese "godzilla"-project), 6thgen gonna be available before 2040, so why buy this headache of jet called F-35, if you just need to bridge the time for gen 6?
edit: gave my best to reduce typos. if you still find some - keep 'em, i got plenty more...
No Air Force has been unhappy and the plane has more than enough range and capability for Switzerland both countries will get there aircraft on time. Think about it like this every single fighter contract that the F 35 has been offered in the F 35 has won, every single one. Agsint the Gripen, Rafale, F-15/16/18, Eurofighter.There is a reason for that, it’s the best option for those air forces.
@seanprice7645not necessairly, as a swiss who watched the evaluation as close as possible: Lockheed is selling the F-35 as "finished product", says it will totally be able to deliver on time, overestimates the capabilities, cheats with the data, aka: makes wrong promises. They have good salespersonell, but that's it.
What helps especially is, that no pilot of a foreign nation is allowed flying the thing before the F-35 is delivered to that country. The evaluation-flights are done by USAF-pilots flying and reporting their results to the eval-crew. also Lockheed knows how to interpret the language.
Eg. the "airpolice intercept-evaluation" in switzerland: task: full tank, two air-to-air-missile loaded on external pods, ammo for the canon; advance best speed toward the "target" and establish communication as airpolice-sorti.
Airbus, Dassault and Boeing did it by the word.
Lockheed reduced tank-load, only loaded one missle, identified the "target" as such, returned to base. Their argument was they loaded the same amount of fuel as the others (?), their jet can hit with just one missile (in the internal shaft), the F-35s system identified the target earlier than the others. Right, but what if the target had no more radio? Airpolice is about SIGNING-LANGUAGE, Identifying the pilots intend. It's also known that with the slow climbing-rates of the F-35 and slow max-speed could never rendezvous in the given timeframe with the target (it would have crossed half of the country when the F-35 intercepted), "with the F-35 there's no more need doing a whole intercept mission".
"Strangly enough" swiss federal counsil used exactly these words to tell the people WHY the F-35 won. (also they promised Switzerland the adaptive engine, which was already known to not be available in Block 4) IMHO it is a dangerous tactic; especially since we all know what the F-35 would have identified the planes from 911, right? ("oh just commecial liners, lets head back" - as in: bilateral contact...)
THUS:
In Switzerland, both Airbus and Dassault demanded an abitration due to so many flaws in the Lockheed-offer were obvious.
Same in the czech republic: all was in favour for the Gripen-E, since the F-35 is the wrong joice for the job (demand as switzerland: fast and agile interceptor, not a striker), it came to a great surprise that they went for Lockheed.
Austria is to follow; same requirements (mainly jets for airpolice), Lockheed just opened an office there and US-politicians started traveliing to vienna. (wanna bet what they choose? Eventough - as in 2000 - the Gripen is the OBVIOUS choice for austria?
@@mcamp9445see, there is where you're wrong: "winning a contract" isn't the deciding factor! It's politics. Since in such projects the methods vary; also:
1. HAPYNESS ask the dutch, danish and norwegian airforce (and ask the australians why they do not station the F-35 close to the sea). their mission-readyiness-rate is terribly low since the salty air they have (close to the sea) attacking the systems. ALSO they had to retrofit a dragchute, as they can't use salt to make the runways icefree thus the F-35 can't break otherwhise.
True, Switzerland does not have sea. But our pilots need to go there to train low-level-flights aso; also in winter, we have snow, and our bases only have 5km usable runways, while in formentioned countries, they have a 6km-runway (and a dire need of drag-chute)
2. range is secondary for use in Switzerland. We gonna have 3 bases to do the whole job. We need a fast, agile interceptor, not a longrange attack-plane wrongfully considerd "F" and not "A" (what it truly is). The F-35 climbs slower and is slower than the competitors! Flying from Emmen or Meiringen, an intercept with the F-35 will be possible over lake Zurich or the Gotthard-massive, but not over eg. St. Gallen or Graubünden! (half of the country will no longer be covered!!!)
3. yeah, the F-35 keeps winning, eventhough all competitors scream "FOUL" at Lockheed; in Switzerland, there's so much uncovered how Lockheed not only cheated during evaluation (reporting full tanks when they started with 25% and bairly made it back - no swiss pilot was allowed flying the F-35) ; for eg lockheed promised the adaptive engine when the decission to purge that idea was already one year old; they promised prises that were already known as "not realistic", they promised pilot-training being possible by simulator only when in the US they started to test the T-X bc they realised switching from turboprop (Texan II, which is a license-built of the Pilatus PC21 switzerland is using) is a too big step for the pilots; the offer containing almost no air-2-air, meaning Switzerland has to re-use the old systems which can't be lanuched from internal bay thus "beastmode" aka external pods, reducing max-speed of the F-35 to mach 1.2 (see point 2)
4. for switzerland, the delivery time is exceptionally important: the F-5 will be decomissioned in 2025 - it is considered dangerous to fly with!. The F-18 - also a wrong choice for it not being made for swiss needs (fast and agile maneuvers are stressfull to the body) - can bairly go on after the last refurbishments, the main body of the swiss F-18C is overstressed, microfractures in supporting elements are the LEAST of the issues! 2030, the new fighter must be ready at the flightline! latest official reports: first delivery to switzerland will not be before 2033 (meaning: ONE jet being delivered in 2033, the rest delived acc. the timetable: 5 more in 2035, the rest until 2038!!!).
The competitors would all have been on time, able to use swiss runways (even the emergency-strips in St. Stephan and Sion (less than 4km), indifferent to the "saline-situation", ...
...Lockheed has a good sales-department, but that's it.
In Switzerland, the F-35 won for the same reason as the SuperPuma/Cougar back in the day: one visit of the "big guy" and the decission was made. Strange, isn't it?
Never forget: these deals are politics.
*But now, since I've explained to you why i think the F-35 being the wrong choice for Switzerland* :
Explain to me how the F-35, which is too slow to intercept (under current condition, they wont be flying 24/7, so think emergency-scramble) over whole switzerland (which will not be attacking another country, no nato-member (yet, since the F-35 which capabilities only make sense in a nato-enviroment)) , shall be the best fighterjet for the country? (as said: remember: only alert-scramble, 99% airpolice-missions - and also for the unavoidlable "datalink"-point, try to explain how this helps with current swiss systems who are totally not compatible, with only a squad of two jets in the air)
EDIT: also there's no guarantee Block4 will ever be made! NGAD scheduled for maidenflight in 2030, F-22 getting a complete overhaul (it was scheduled for decomission in 2024, this no longer going to happen!), bc the USAF is extremly UNHAPPY with all the issues sourrounding the F-35! Also in europe, the Tempest will have its maiden flight in 2035. Just think about it - no more need for Gen5, just bridge the time for Gen6! Remember? Politics. Might be interesting to check if, right before a type-decission, some important us-politician visited the country; Switzerland: Biden went there, especially asking for a meeting with Viola Amherd (minister of defense); before that, the Rafale was believed to be winning, even by Armasuisse (Swiss DoE) and VBS (swiss MoD) - after Biden left, Amherd announced the F-35 as winner... Coincidence?? Me not tink so (all the other federal counsils busy negotiating with france about the contract-detail, how would this happen if the decission was for the other jet??) ;)
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Two words Dassault Rafale. Thank you.
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This is an F-35 commercial and it is gross. Your work quality has declined a lot recently.
1/3 of the video was an ad, so yes, you are correct. 👍👍
At almost 2 trillion dollars, they need to advertise like crazy, hence the fluff ads.@@michaelpetty8416
Even with the block 4 upgrades it's not going to be the best fighter. That doesn't mean it wont be absolutely lethal and a very important asset in our skies.
What will be?
@@SeanP7195 any one of the 6th gen dedicated air superiority fighters coming online within the coming years. America's own NGAD and F/A-XX, Us brits are teaming up with Japan and Italy to make the Tempest, I think Germany France and Spain are making one too. Check out 'Ward Carroll's Deep intel on 6th Gen' here on YT, v informative
As the saying goes. YGBSM. The Fat Amy is a failure. Always has been always will be. Too complicated, to expensive and trying to be all things at once. First, replace the A-10 and the AV8-B? Can you see this expensive STEALTH jet moving mud to support troops? Don't make me laugh.
Air-Air? Unless you hang iron in beast mode (bye-bye stealth) it will be swarmed. It's max speed is Mach 1.2, slowest fighter since the 1950s. What you're sell is the propaganda put out by DoD P. R. Weenies instead of what trades report. The DoD itself, years ago, said it would never live up to it's hype but couldn't be allowed to fail. (I smell Congressional interference) No one in the military calls it Lightning II. In polite company they call it Fat Amy. You can tell a lot about how good a jet is by what a pilot calls it. We have REAL fighters that will do a job F-15 EX Super Eagle, F-16V Vipers (only sold overseas) and F/A-18 Super Hornets. I remember the last time some genius came up with the idea of one jet for everything. The FB-111 Aardvark. If you know aircraft you know how well that worked out. The only way Fat Amy is even in the air is by being the "Flying Waiver."
Cope harder
You have some good points, but the last Jack-of-all-trades plane was the F/A-18E and F Super Hornet.
Mach 1.2 is not fast for a fighter, but it's substantially faster than an AV-8B Harrier.
It already failed against the A-10 in ground support a couple of years ago, no big surprise there.
It still has a lot of problems to fix yet that will take many more years yet, and there is no such thing as a silver bullet/perfect jet fighter that they make this jet out to be@@pahtar7189
@@pahtar7189 F/A-18 was only accepted by the Navy and the Marines. As the XF-17 the Air Force said no thanks and went with the Viper.
Defence from whom? That is the real question. The country which makes F35 holds the record of starting most wars. It is made for offence not defence.
Every day stealth becomes less relevant.
Wrong. If you don't know it's there, If you can't see it, You can't shoot it or Shoot at it. You'll be dead before you know it's there. It's like a Sniper, You don't know They are there and Boom your life is over.
@GOBUCS82 Wrong, wrong, wrong!
Stealth, on the F-22 and F-35, works in the X-Band. They can be tracked easily by IR scanning, photocontrast, laser, acoustic signature, electronic signature, etc.
Stealth planes cannot kill a modern plane without being seen. That is a myth. RWR exists, IR sensors, all these methods to sense missile locks and missiles themselves. You will be found.
And no Stealth can stop a full-on jam of your radar.
PS. Stealth can be achieved with electronics to a better degree than any F-22 paint
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 It's doesn't just work against X-band radars, it's more effective against higher frequency radars but it also makes it harder to get a tracking solution with lower frequency radars. You can detect a plane with EOTS/IR, ELINT, etc., but you can't get a long-range firing solution with it.
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 6th gen fighters will be stealthy and more countries are pushing towards developing their own 5th gen fighters. Having stealth is an advantage, not having stealth is a disadvantage. Countries wouldn't be developing stealthy 6th gen fighters if that wasn't the case.
@BENKYism Yes a long range firing solution is possible, if Closed Loop Sensor Fusion is used.
And to this day…..even to this day everyone is gnashing their teeth about this dream machine. What is your friggin deal lol? You’re getting stealth in your hands. You’re getting skunkworks people. Not a jet made from a damned car company (ohh it’s got a pit crew how cute). And it’s affordable and all I hear is Europeans grumbling. Look guys, get over your anti American nonsense you’ve been brainwashed with (to take your minds off your own nations huge flaws). Be thankful you got this masterpiece at your fingertips. Who cares how much LM makes. Who cares how much the US spent or will recover. Trust me, they’ll be fine either way. My car is German, my camera is Japanese, my computer is American, my coffee is Colombians and my chocolate is Swiss. Some countries are just good at things and Americans can make jets like no one’s business.
The F35 cost overruns, still plagued with problems such as lacking the range needed for a war with China in the Pacific. The cost/benefit ratio may never be obtained.
It’s actually cheaper than any western fighter to buy at this point and has more range than the F-22, F-18, F-14, A-10, F-16. The only one that compares to it is The F-15 with conformal fuel tanks and or three external tanks. The engine upgrade will add a bit of range and the in devolpment supersonic stealth drop tanks being developed for the F-22 will also eventually be added to the F-35.
@@mcamp9445 Doesn’t matter if one needs a 20 ft ladder and all of the ladders are 18ft or less except one is 19ft, it still doesn’t work.
Ah, well, if you are really confident in your bs, then good luck 🤷♂️
AIM-260 JTAM will be integrated within 1-2 years; will be vastly superior to the PL-15. Not to mention, first fire capability of the PL-15 is irrelevant when the F-35 can't be targeted until it's well within the range of the F-35's current AIM-120D. F-35 can still see first and shoot first.
Cost overruns? It’s cheaper than a Eurofighter and about the same, even slightly cheaper than a Gripen. I don’t think you quite understand its mission capabilities.
F35b is part Russian, Lockheed martin bought the Russian yak-121 and uses it in f-35b, Lockheed hid the purchase of yak-121 from congress (black project), British Harrier could not achieve supersonic because of its integration of V-tol, and S-tol, the yak-121 was supersonic and V-tol and S-tol.
F35 isnt a great fighter when it comes to dogfight.
It's a long range engagement fighter,not a dog fighter.
Europe doesn't have a choice.
There's already a king in Europe and it's called Rafale.
A worse typhoon?
The F-35 is a long range engagement fighter,the Rafale is more of a dog fighter.
@@homurseempsone154 The worse Typhoon that beat its ass in Switzerland, India, Saudi Arabia, UAE, and every other test comparison ever? Yeah that
@@galvinstanley3235Rafale uses electronic jamming and sensors to achieve long range, its actually more for long range than the F-35; Supercruise with high weapons load in order to use kinetic energy better.
@@honeybadgerbomb4469 the typhoon is objectively better in air combat, the Rafale has some wins against the f22 in tests but the typhoon consistently matches it in WVR trials, there’s nothing else in the nato and allies market like for air to air combat when it comes to 4th gen aircraft except maaaayyybe the f15 EX. Where the Rafale wins in foreign sales is better multirole capability though, as well as better pricing and previous bias from buyers who already bought and liked the mirage series
Any further work on F35 will delay the work on the sixth generation, which should be upgrade from F22 not F35. F35 has inherent design that it prevents it to be maneuverable.
the f35 doesn't have to be maneuver like the f22 the f35 has a 400k helmet were it can lock 360 degrees and shoot unlike the f22 it needs to point it nose to shoot a enemy down
@@rayreyes977the F-22 actually doesn’t yet have helmet mounted display/targeting system. Though one much simpler than the F-35 may be added.
Oh no it won’t be able to dogfight the red baron
It is more maneuverable than an F-16 in a one circle fight while still having the nose authority and AoA of the F-18, and also not being far behind in other regimes as stated by officials and pilots. And plus the USAF is having the F35 be the 5th gen workhorse in the future, F22 is not as modular since it was developed from the get go with integrated systems that aren't easy to upgrade or replace for something else. Yes, the F22 is planned to receive some NGAD tech which will extend its service life for a couple years, but F35 is planned to have multiple upgrades in the future that won't be that much of a pain to add on to.
Lol its a myth that the f35 can't do a dog fight
The fancy planes get the press and meanwhile, the AV8-B is what is out there shooting down Houthis drones. The workhorse F-18s and AV8-Bs are much more valuable to us than the F-22 and F-23, neither of which has ever shot down a plane and rarely drop a bomb. Mostly they just go to air shows. The F-35 is a plane that is supposed to be able to do everything, but in reality, does very little. The Air Force can't get ride of the F-22 fast enough and is eager to replace it with the NGAD, which if the F-35 program is an indicator, will be 10 years late to enter service, and at doublet the price that was given to the US. Lockheed knows that once the program starts, the Government has a blank check that they will put in any amount that Lockheed tells them to, and Lockheed will tell congress that it will be ready when it is ready.
No F-18 were the ones shooting down Houthi Drones.
Damn, it's actually crazy how skillful you are at completely misunderstanding every single factor of every single thing you just brought up.
@@ProudFilthyCasual Enlighten me about my errors. The F-35 program had its roots in the early 90s Common Affordable Light Fighter (CALF) program (and as we all know, the F-35 is the least affordable fighter ever made). This evolved onto the JSF program. The design proposals were made in the mid 90s, and the contract for the demonstrators in 1997, with the F-35A first flying in 2000, with the promise of a service entry date of 2010. The cost overruns were staggering, and the schedule kept slipping until finally, in 2015, over 5 years late, and still not fully mission capable. Even today, the F35 has not started "Full rate production", which Lockeed had originally put at 2013, but turned out 11 years late. By the way, did you know that the US cannot do the depot level maintenance on the F-35? We are dependent on Lockheed to do that even today, and that is why the maintenance on this aircraft is so high. As for combat, no F-22 or F-35 has ever engaged in arial combat with any maneuvering opponent. The Might F22's only kill was a balloon, and it was used once to drop some guided bombs on a terrorist leader, a job that could have easily been accomplished by a F-18. So tell me, what is it that I don't understand about this program? All of the engine cores have to be replaced. There was originally supposed to be an alternate engine program, but the program was already late and over budget, so the Pentagon killed the alternate engine program, so now we are stuck with P&W. When there is no competition, you can bet you are getting hosed. Anyway, set me straight? Have I made any mistakes in what I have said?
@@niweshlekhak9646 Super Hornets and Harriers have been shooting down Houthi drones but news only broke recently about Harriers doing it.
@@BullGator-kd6ge US aircraft carriers don't carry Harriers, US LHD(helo carriers) carry Harriers or US Marine bases. USS Bataan it went to Eastern Mediterranean when USS Eisenhower came to Red Sea.
The Typhoon is better than the F-35.
It's not😊
The French Dassault Rafale is the much better fighter jet. Just ask India and all the other prospectus buyers. This software updates are very reminiscent to MS Windows and blue screen crashes ..
A Rafale would be obliterated in a realistic modern BVR engagement scenario against an F-35. It's essentially a bow and arrow versus a firearm. You cannot know anything about modern combat aviation and reasonably come to that conclusion.
Rafales would get fucked by J-20s. It's still a 4/4.5 generation at the end of the day.
@@volatilecolonIf you know nothing about fighters that sounds true
Rafale has better electronic warfare, better missiles in the Meteor, better jamming, better Infrared seeking, and multiband radar.
Its called real developments
@@PeterPan-ev7dr India admits stealth fighters are better for offensive operations
The Rafaela was a stop gap
Both France and Indus have at various points tried to make a stealth fighter
Stop wasting your time in this money pit 🥱😴
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