Brandon Sanderson just announced a table top RPG set in the Cosmere universe from his books. It’s no secret that he loves video games - Dark Souls series are his favorites, but he also loves CRPG. Partnering with Owlcat to make a CRPG based on the new table top would be amazing. Brandon would be the main story writer and I can see this being epic fully voice acted.
the lore and story is great, but combat, weapons and classes are under cooked. Classes are biggest thorn in my thumb as they are all bland, with exception of psykers. They seem to have went a step back in quality of class design compared to pathfinder games.
@@markoerakovic9899 More diasappointing is that choices don't matter. Your background is forgotten after the tutorial. Bringing rhe reactor along only gets a end slide. Getting Winterscales nephew out of prison and to footfall never gets mentioned. Doing the scavenger hunt for the archeologist? He never comes up again. And the list goes on...
@@markoerakovic9899 Sadly, after finishing the prologue and chapter 1, i would agree that the combat is meh. But as a relative newbie to WH40K, I am thoroughly enjoying the lore.
@@markoerakovic9899 that's because of the original setting. The tabletop rules would have been difficult to implement. warhammer 40K RPGs are mostly sandbox games and to a lesser extend rogue-like (rerolling a character every now and then because you died is expected), there are no levels, abilities, stats and skills have direct xp cost and you buy them when you get the required xp anytime you want. So they had to homebrew classes out of original career paths. Which is not something easy to do. I still think the format is wrong for an adaption. They should have made a sandbox game and stayed true to the material. But hat would mean no extensive story, no NPC companions (you would have to make your own team from scratch). Basically icewind dale oldschool gameplay for the party. And that stuff doesn't sell today, since people are all about romance and NPC interaction.
"Well, I'd honestly be happy if they just kept doing Pathfinder adventure paths in games..." Mortim: And they aren't working on a Pathfinder or Starfinder game. "Oh." Mortim: To spite you, in particular. "Oh come on, they didn't say that!" Mortim: It was brought up several times in the conference.
Owlcat games and Larian have brought back the memories of the old Bioware that I dearly miss. Rouge Trader is the first game from Owlcat I play, and even though the game has some major issues at launch and doesn't have the details that BG3 has, the core mechanics and rpg gameplay are solid. If they have the same investments as Larian, I think Owlcat can be next big thing in the gaming industry.
I like that WOTR is only partially voice acted, and in only certain especially poignant parts. I like reading in my head. I like that there's a fair amount of dialogue. We all know that if you hard require 100% voice acting, the game will have to have less dialog.
I like voice acting but I wouldn't sacrifice depth and quantity of dialogue for it. Just voice act main-characters and sidekicks. I love owlcat for the complexity and because they are different from the A+++ studios who are boring to me.
It's too bad, but I'm good with it, especially considering I don't know how they'd top WOTR and its Mythic Path system since most stories wouldn't be able to use anything like that as a mechanic. I love Pathfinder too, and the massive amount of build options it has in particular, but I'm eager to see what they bring to the table with other systems, including systems I might not even know about yet.
While buggy, Owlcat and Larian are without a doubt my favorite developers at this moment. Owlcat in particular has really impressed me with how correctly they handle each games lore they make. They truly stay true to the setting in which their games take place.
I am nervous about them commiting to full VA. Fully voiced games means that it's less budget that goes to other areas. It means less complex dialogue branches as well. I am hoping I am wrong but that's my main worry.
Yep I've seen it happen with a lot of series. Doesn't always end up being bad but the quality and complexity of dialogue tends to take a hit. They'll also certainly have to limit how much you can actually ask NPCs. In Wrath you can ask most characters to tell you about themselves and they'll tell you their whole backstory, which is cool but would likely be cut out of a game with voice acting since adds a lot of cost.
I don't know the budget of bg3 but I really don't think it was cheap by any means. I think it had close to AAA budget. I think it's a valid concern, and I share it too. Every rpg I've played that had VA the dialog choices were usually lacking (besides bg3 ofc)
Larian and BG3 production quality definitely has given other companies something to consider.Wrath of the Righteous with that level of production would be a staggering achievement
The problem is that with that level of production we wouldn't be able to have wrath of the righteous the way it is content wise. You would have to remove half of the classes, feats, spells etc. because people would be too busy to build other parts of the game to be on par with that "level" of production. Personnaly I prefer having content over flashy stuff. I consider that a game is a "Game", meaning something you play, not a movie or a book. In that regard I prefer having more stuff to play with even if it's less pretty and has less cutscenes that you're gonna skip once you've seen them 10 times over.
I love the production value of BG3 but man, definitely hard to live up to. Larian themselves didn't even hit that mark with Original Sin 2, and while I know BG3 didn't have any sort of modern bloated industry budget, I still fear that the budget for that kind of experience is outside what a studio like Owlcat can afford. Which isn't to say they can't bring a fantastic experience to the table, Wrath of the Righteous is still possibly the deepest modern isometric RPG in terms of content even if it doesn't have all the flash and flare people may want.
I'd like to see Owlcat having a crack at some of Free League's IPs - Dragonbane, Forbidden Lands and Symbaroum are all great fantasy settings, and FL have shown they're open to this sort of thing with Mutant: Year Zero. Coriolis would be a really interesting choice for an SF setting, too.
Honestly kind of worried. Obsidian execs pushed for Pillars of Eternity 2 to have full voice acting thinking it would make them as successfull as Original Sin 2 and since it didn't, the franchise is now almost dead. Given the timing that Baldurs Gate 3 just released and now Owlcat decides to do full voice acting thats worrying me that they may be making the same mistake. Owlcat-style crpgs just aren't going to be as mainstream friendly as Larians are. Hope I am wrong and they're not making a mistake.
@@mrvad3r198 Larian already did full voice acting before bg 3 with original sin 2. And original sin 2 was already a lot more successfull than other crpgs. It's just that bg 3 catapulted them even higher.
@@BFTBGSFTST don't throw out the copium just yet. While unfortunately they did say they're not currently working on any Pathfinder/Starfinder games (although they're not ruling it out in future) they didn't actually say the same for Warhammer. Their actual quote in the AMA is "For now we already have two DLCs planned, and we'll see what comes next!"
@@kapitankapital6580 They can't work on pathfinder and starfinder because making a crpg now would hurt paizo. Starfinder 1e is officially finished and 2E is on its way. You can't have a game releasing on 1E when you're launching the new edition on pnp at the same time. Because new people that would like to get into the pnp version after playing the game would be more inclined to get the 1E for cheap instead of buying the new edition (which will have a lot less content because it's new, half of the classes will be missing, especially the more technological ones like the mechanic and the technomancer, 95% of the alien races will be missing too). That's not smart, they would better wait till the 2E is fine and running with some additional content to make a 1E video game. As for pathfinder. They just completely removed all the D&D stuff from pathfinder 2E (because of the whole mess with WOTC and the OGL) and launched pathfinder core (which is like 2.5E). It's not all quite done yet, so they can't make an adaptation of something that hasn't settled already on pnp. In one or 2 years, when all of the content is converted to the new ORC, they'll be able to develop a proper CRPG in the new version of the 2E. Trying to make a game in the OGL version of 2E while they are pushing their new ORC version would be shooting themselves in the foot.
@@kapitankapital6580 He's actually very off base there. For starters, Wrath of the Righteous was first announced after Pathfinder 2nd edition had first gone into playtest; PF2's full released was in 2019, WotR in 2021. While yes, it would make more sense for the Owlcat game to reflect the most current edition, Owlcat putting out a 1E Starfinder game after Starfinder 2E releases (which it would - it's out next year) would hardly be unprecedented here. Secondly, Pathfinder's Remastered edition is already finished. There's no "one or two years" to convert any remaining content. The two Player Cores, the GM Core, and the Monster Core have all released. That's it; there's no further conversion being done. Everything from this point on, including in-progress Adventure Paths, is already being released under the Remastered version. So once again, there'd be nothing stopping them from doing a PF2 remastered game as soon as they wanted.
I love all owlcat games. I am so happy that Larian and Owlcat are doing great. They deserve it. I am also relly glad that they are doing voice acting. Personally I dont mind if not everything is voice acted, but its much more imersive.
Big things are coming for crpg. I heard Owlcat now have a staff of 500 and are now more like a publisher. Hasbro are going all in on digital games. We got Larian and their new IP. Got a lot of hope for the future of crpg.
A PF2e CRPG sounds amazing. I wonder who else they're trying to work with, if it's mostly other tabletop companies and their properties? A Call of Cthulhu one could be really interesting if they did Horror on the Orient Express or Masks of Nyarlathotep or something. I hope they keep shopping their ideas to the tabletop companies. Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing them tackle Shadowrun (or just more Shadowrun games generally), and with the success of Cyberpunk maybe that's on Catalysts' mind too. On the other hand with Larian saying they aren't planning to continue on Baldur's Gate I wonder if WotC is shopping around for others who might work on more D&D games going forward. They certainly wouldn't be the worst pick, though I hope it wouldn't sour their relationship with Paizo. I definitely echo the concerns about voice acting though. I find most of it not terribly well done, and even if it is available, I'll often turn it off, I don't really care for it or think it adds much, and I definitely think people are right that if they try to have 100% of the dialogue voice acted we'll see a large negative impact on story / world complexity to account for the cost. Hope they know what they're doing on that front.
Unfortunately Shadowrun would have to go through Microsoft, since they own (not just license) all video game rights for SR after their purchase of FASA Studios in the early 2000s. And I'm not sure they'd want to license it out when they already have perfectly capable studios of their own.
An interesting thing I saw that Owlcat said was that each of their four teams is the size of the original team that made WOTR. Holy cow. It looks like they’re going to try to do one BG3 style game, one WOTR style game (but with full voice acting), and then two of who knows what. All in existing IPs, but not any IP anybody can think of 😆 wtf are they working on? My only guess is that the WOTR style game will be Warhammer Fantasy - seems a good match for their existing engine and experience, and the power fantasy of it is obvious (you’d be some kind of general leading armies, building up cities, etc). For anything else, anybody have any ideas? Are we gonna end up with a My Little Pony rpg? 😆(sorry Bronies)
Hopefully another warhammer game like Rogue Trader. It got me into the series, it always looked intimidating to put my toes into, but it made the universe so accessible and enjoyable that I would adore another game in the universe by them.
@@TheGoreforce Given my previous experience with Warhammer games I did not expect much and yet Rogue Trader turned out great. I think Owlcat could produce great games based on these licenses.
Taking into consideration the WoTR was probably their bestseller (?) and they've been investing in it for a loooooong time after the launch, I don't fully understand this decision (however I'm the weirdo preferring Kingmaker). Maybe this is something on the line between Owlcat and Paizo? Or that is just me - I really would like to see a new cRPG based on Pathfinder 2e rules set in Golarion. However, I would like to see a new, original story (so not based on existing table-top adventure packs) without the 'campaign' or 'kingdom' modes - pure adventuring.
I'm just playing WotR and missing the voice acting is a HUGE problem :D I'd love to have all voices, even books, just click a button and read it for me. YES PLSS
Working on multiple things simultaneously is interesting, but also a little concerning. They're not a huge studio, I don't want them to spread themselves too thin. Doubly so considering how buggy their stuff tends to be on release and how much of what makes Owlcat a good developer is their willingness/ability to provide the post-launch support needed to get things running smoothly. As for voice acting, I can take or leave it. Aside from the expense involved and dialogue tree trimming, good voice acting is just a nice-to-have, while truly bad voice acting can ruin a game. I'm VERY relieved to hear they aren't looking at AI voicework, though. That would be a dealbreaker for me on principle, and I really like these devs.
I would love for owlcat to make a game in the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I’ve been craving both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k rpg’s for years, and Rogue Trader was perfect for me. I want to play an rpg where I can be a Warhammer dwarf so badly.
I don’t think all games in development are cRPGs. In particular the Unreal engine one is likely something else with more mass market appeal. I would not be surprised if investors are asking the company to diversify their portfolio.
I think that their game could be a good addition to gamepass. They are long and allow for many playthrough they could keep player into the subscription for a while.
I am personally maybe kinda dissappinted, that they want everything fully voice acted. Like of course I want voice acting in story missions and ither heavy moments, but overall in these types if games, I feel like the budget would be better spent on more dialogue or gameplay choices(like more backgrounds, classes, whatever) or just nothing at all, so they don't use unnecessarily too much money on a game, that might one day not sell that well and might lead some hard times for the company. (Though i seriously hope, this will never happen)
I really liked their Pathfinder games. But I also really liked Rogue Trader. Playing a game using a different system was fun so if we get more of that I'm all up for it.
Owlcat Games makes isometric, turn-based RPGs based on established licenses - what better game to make than Fallout and take it back to its top-down roots! More so after the successes of the TV show and isometric RPGs like Disco Elysium and Baldur's Gate 3!
If I where them, I wouldn't touch the shitty DnD 5e.. And pathfinder is better 3.5... sooo.... I would rather them not touch the worst TTRPG that's on the market.
Hopefully their quest to voice-act everything going forward won't be their downfall. Pushing for a fully voice-acted CRPG can result in other areas of the game to be bland and simply unfinished, not realizing their full potential, not to mention the fact that dialogues may be significantly shorter and less interesting, like for example in PoE2. I understand that they want to make their games approachable to a broader audience, but those that "can't be bothered to read" in the cRPG do not appreciate the effort put into the game nor are they trully gamers/interested in gaming.... Alas, I am sure that Owlcat will make good decisions..
I’ve been holding out on buying Wrath of the Righteous in hopes of a version bundled with all DLC. Based on this video, it doesn’t seem to be in the works.
I think I am a rarity that I don't like full voice acting in isometric cRPG. I like voice acting in important speech and dialogue but not all. I like what Rogue trader is doing now.
I am disappointed that they didn't confirm anything about Pathfinder or Starfinder projects in the works but I am very curious about these new projects too give my hopes up. Now I'm nervous is doing several projects kind of worries me just because the devs will be split between different projects quality is a bit of a worry for me. But I have optimistic view of them. Since they have grown.
this vid might segue into something we were just discussing on a game forum. Also might make a good video topic you could give your thoughts on. Crpg sales. larian was nearly dead before original sin 1. that did extremely well. OS was a break out. Bg3 was even BIGGER of a break out. a total anomaly. Kingmaker sold 1m copies. Wrath a sequel to the successful kingmaker, with all that word of mouth. also solid 1m copies at last stated. wrath with also the word of mouth as one of the best crpgs of all time. it did sell that 1m faster... Rogue trader is 40k, coming off the back of the fame of WotR.. sold 500k in 1 month.. but no sales data released since. if it sold more then 1m copies, or outsold WoTR, owlcat would have made a press release. which suggests.. it hasn't. which is pretty crazy if true. Disco Elysium. 2.6m on steam alone as of march 2023. another break out. Wasteland 3 had 2m sales as of dec, 2021. it'd be interesting to look into Outer worlds, avowed, pillars, etc. I think its clear, the market for crunchy tactical, turn based rpgs is just very limited, even with the recent revival. Divinity, and disco Elysium succeeded because they are more narrative driven and less crunchy I think. its what killed the crpg market back in 2000. As, action rpgs on consoles took over with bioware, fable, elder scrolls etc. even fallout versus wasteland itself.
As long as the writing isn't simplified, fine. I hate voice acting in games. Too slow, just let me read. As long as there's a way to mute it or disable it, great.
Thanks for the video. I think it it would be neat if they went the FromSoft route, and found a winning formula that they kept improving upon, but in CRPG fashion. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.
I'd like to see them take a crack at the Might and Magic universe, can't imagine it would be that hard to get access to the IP since Ubisoft has no idea what to do with it.
I need owlcat to make a starwars old republic or legends game. I won't happen, but their 1 of probably 2 studios who could make a killer starwars game.
Consider that they are making an Unreal engine 5 game with more cinematic focus, they definitely have to fully voice it. While I'm sad that there's no pathfidner up on the horizon, I have hope that they make some sick RPG nonetheless. Finger crossed its Warhammer Fantasy, Gotrex and Felix style
5e is the worst TTRPG on the market, so simple, so bad, next to no class customization. It's by far the most casual, and doesn't really feel rewarding.
Warhammer Fantasy/Old World to fill the fantasy line of games. Imo it has a much more robust, deep and diverse lore as well as vibrant setting than Age of Sigmar. Total War Warhammer brought Warhammer Fantasy to the world stage, also Vermintide to lesser extend. A Warhammer Fantasy cRPG has more potential for bigger returns than AoS. No doubt GW probably prefer to push for AoS, but if they're smart, they'll capitalize on Warhammer Fantasy's surging & undying popularity instead.
Not one AoS game has done well. So probably won't be AoS. The AoS lore needs another 5-10 years of lore development to figure out what works. Right now it's a few cool ideas sprinkled in amung a lot of bad ideas.
@@sagacity1071 Except AoS has continued to be successful for them, certainly moreso than Fantasy had been for a long while. Regardless of the poor start AoS had, they clearly made the right call? Seriously, the lengths bitter Fantasy grognards go to wail and whine about AoS in completely unrelated comment sections never ceases to amaze me. Move on already. Play your Fantasy books, with your Fantasy models, or go buy Old World and support what's actually there. If you folks had put half the effort into supporting Fantasy when it was around, maybe it wouldn't have died in the first place (: And btw, just to cut off any nonsense claims: I played Fantasy long before 40K. I read Fantasy before 40K. WFRP remains one of my favorite ttrpgs.. right alongside AoS: Soulbound. It's possible to enjoy two things.
Brandon Sanderson just announced a table top RPG set in the Cosmere universe from his books. It’s no secret that he loves video games - Dark Souls series are his favorites, but he also loves CRPG. Partnering with Owlcat to make a CRPG based on the new table top would be amazing. Brandon would be the main story writer and I can see this being epic fully voice acted.
I hope the RPG is good!
Damn, that would be awesome!!
Brother, you are spot on! It would be a great success and BG3 competitor!!
Stop! I can only get so hyped! Lol
Stormlight can be crpg cause everybody is a flying superman there
Voice acting totally changed Disco Elysium and raised it to incredible heights.
For me not because i read faster than listen anyway :)
It helps that Disco is incredibly well written. I skip through boring dialogue, whether or not it has voice acting.
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I was thinking Joy of the Diabolical
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@@Danatoth_ Rogue Inside Trader
Heresy!
Outright Naughty Trader 401K!
Playing WH40K-RT right now, and wow, it's amazing. The lore is stellar.
the lore and story is great, but combat, weapons and classes are under cooked. Classes are biggest thorn in my thumb as they are all bland, with exception of psykers. They seem to have went a step back in quality of class design compared to pathfinder games.
@@markoerakovic9899 More diasappointing is that choices don't matter.
Your background is forgotten after the tutorial. Bringing rhe reactor along only gets a end slide. Getting Winterscales nephew out of prison and to footfall never gets mentioned. Doing the scavenger hunt for the archeologist? He never comes up again. And the list goes on...
@@markoerakovic9899 Sadly, after finishing the prologue and chapter 1, i would agree that the combat is meh. But as a relative newbie to WH40K, I am thoroughly enjoying the lore.
@@markoerakovic9899 that's because of the original setting. The tabletop rules would have been difficult to implement. warhammer 40K RPGs are mostly sandbox games and to a lesser extend rogue-like (rerolling a character every now and then because you died is expected), there are no levels, abilities, stats and skills have direct xp cost and you buy them when you get the required xp anytime you want.
So they had to homebrew classes out of original career paths. Which is not something easy to do.
I still think the format is wrong for an adaption.
They should have made a sandbox game and stayed true to the material. But hat would mean no extensive story, no NPC companions (you would have to make your own team from scratch). Basically icewind dale oldschool gameplay for the party.
And that stuff doesn't sell today, since people are all about romance and NPC interaction.
"Well, I'd honestly be happy if they just kept doing Pathfinder adventure paths in games..."
Mortim: And they aren't working on a Pathfinder or Starfinder game.
"Oh."
Mortim: To spite you, in particular.
"Oh come on, they didn't say that!"
Mortim: It was brought up several times in the conference.
They told me they hated you
Owlcat games and Larian have brought back the memories of the old Bioware that I dearly miss. Rouge Trader is the first game from Owlcat I play, and even though the game has some major issues at launch and doesn't have the details that BG3 has, the core mechanics and rpg gameplay are solid. If they have the same investments as Larian, I think Owlcat can be next big thing in the gaming industry.
I would pay for a DLC that adds full voice acting to Rouge Trader.
I like that WOTR is only partially voice acted, and in only certain especially poignant parts. I like reading in my head. I like that there's a fair amount of dialogue. We all know that if you hard require 100% voice acting, the game will have to have less dialog.
More voice acting wouldn't be bad, of course, but shouldn't mean you can't have as many conversation options even if not all of them are voice acting.
If they ever decide to make a Starfinder CRPG, I’ll support it from day one!
Yes. Voice acting just breathes life.
I like voice acting but I wouldn't sacrifice depth and quantity of dialogue for it. Just voice act main-characters and sidekicks. I love owlcat for the complexity and because they are different from the A+++ studios who are boring to me.
1:46 the moment my heart breaks.
same
me too :(
It's too bad, but I'm good with it, especially considering I don't know how they'd top WOTR and its Mythic Path system since most stories wouldn't be able to use anything like that as a mechanic. I love Pathfinder too, and the massive amount of build options it has in particular, but I'm eager to see what they bring to the table with other systems, including systems I might not even know about yet.
That was a shock and a disappointment. I was convinced we were getting Curse of the Crimson Throne.
For me it's the moment they say "full voice acting."
While buggy, Owlcat and Larian are without a doubt my favorite developers at this moment. Owlcat in particular has really impressed me with how correctly they handle each games lore they make. They truly stay true to the setting in which their games take place.
They handle the lore alright, but why do they insist on always shoving in these pointless boring minigames to bloat game time.
@@AntiTroll6 Because the team genuinely likes 4X mechanics, and they're improving with each game.
Except for the evil playthrough in War Hammer
@@altima22689 Ok, but people play these games for the cRPG, not the godawful 4X minigames. If we wanted a 4X game, we'd go play a 4X game
@@altima22689 Ok, but people play these games for the cRPG, not the godawful 4X minigames. If we wanted a 4X game, we'd go play a 4X game
I am nervous about them commiting to full VA. Fully voiced games means that it's less budget that goes to other areas. It means less complex dialogue branches as well. I am hoping I am wrong but that's my main worry.
Balders gate three did it and on the cheap and look how great it turned out the narrators sold every scene! The graphics is what the budget went into
Yep I've seen it happen with a lot of series. Doesn't always end up being bad but the quality and complexity of dialogue tends to take a hit. They'll also certainly have to limit how much you can actually ask NPCs. In Wrath you can ask most characters to tell you about themselves and they'll tell you their whole backstory, which is cool but would likely be cut out of a game with voice acting since adds a lot of cost.
I don't know the budget of bg3 but I really don't think it was cheap by any means. I think it had close to AAA budget.
I think it's a valid concern, and I share it too. Every rpg I've played that had VA the dialog choices were usually lacking (besides bg3 ofc)
@@54032Zepol BG3 could have spent some of that money on quality of life features.
This is my main fear aswell.
So
* CRPG
* Licenced
* Not Pathfinder or 40k
* Fully voiced.
.....i think we know who Hasbro chose for the next DnD title.
I hope and pray they adapt the enemy within campaign from warhammer fantasy.
A WFRP crpg would be incredible!
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Larian and BG3 production quality definitely has given other companies something to consider.Wrath of the Righteous with that level of production would be a staggering achievement
The problem is that with that level of production we wouldn't be able to have wrath of the righteous the way it is content wise. You would have to remove half of the classes, feats, spells etc. because people would be too busy to build other parts of the game to be on par with that "level" of production.
Personnaly I prefer having content over flashy stuff. I consider that a game is a "Game", meaning something you play, not a movie or a book. In that regard I prefer having more stuff to play with even if it's less pretty and has less cutscenes that you're gonna skip once you've seen them 10 times over.
I love the production value of BG3 but man, definitely hard to live up to. Larian themselves didn't even hit that mark with Original Sin 2, and while I know BG3 didn't have any sort of modern bloated industry budget, I still fear that the budget for that kind of experience is outside what a studio like Owlcat can afford. Which isn't to say they can't bring a fantastic experience to the table, Wrath of the Righteous is still possibly the deepest modern isometric RPG in terms of content even if it doesn't have all the flash and flare people may want.
I'd rather not have cinematic cutscenes and other "production quality" if I'm totally honest
@@daniel.holbrook I just prefer full VA for NPCs. I don't want full motion capture cut-scenes either
Larian =style
Owlcat = substance
I get all of cRPG news from you and I appreciate it lol, it covers all the things I care about, keep being amazing man
A licensed turn based Fallout RPG
That would be a cool idea!
Got into owlcat games because of you and they're one of my favourite developers.
A Warhammer Fantasy RPG would be awesome.
I'd like to see Owlcat having a crack at some of Free League's IPs - Dragonbane, Forbidden Lands and Symbaroum are all great fantasy settings, and FL have shown they're open to this sort of thing with Mutant: Year Zero. Coriolis would be a really interesting choice for an SF setting, too.
Thanks for the video! Always interest in anything Owlcat puts out there
Honestly kind of worried. Obsidian execs pushed for Pillars of Eternity 2 to have full voice acting thinking it would make them as successfull as Original Sin 2 and since it didn't, the franchise is now almost dead.
Given the timing that Baldurs Gate 3 just released and now Owlcat decides to do full voice acting thats worrying me that they may be making the same mistake.
Owlcat-style crpgs just aren't going to be as mainstream friendly as Larians are.
Hope I am wrong and they're not making a mistake.
@@mrvad3r198 Larian already did full voice acting before bg 3 with original sin 2. And original sin 2 was already a lot more successfull than other crpgs. It's just that bg 3 catapulted them even higher.
My guy always dropping the new content. Love it!
No more Pathfinder is crushing news. And no more Warhammer is disappointing too, I was hoping for an Old World game.
@@BFTBGSFTST don't throw out the copium just yet. While unfortunately they did say they're not currently working on any Pathfinder/Starfinder games (although they're not ruling it out in future) they didn't actually say the same for Warhammer. Their actual quote in the AMA is "For now we already have two DLCs planned, and we'll see what comes next!"
@@kapitankapital6580 They can't work on pathfinder and starfinder because making a crpg now would hurt paizo.
Starfinder 1e is officially finished and 2E is on its way. You can't have a game releasing on 1E when you're launching the new edition on pnp at the same time. Because new people that would like to get into the pnp version after playing the game would be more inclined to get the 1E for cheap instead of buying the new edition (which will have a lot less content because it's new, half of the classes will be missing, especially the more technological ones like the mechanic and the technomancer, 95% of the alien races will be missing too). That's not smart, they would better wait till the 2E is fine and running with some additional content to make a 1E video game.
As for pathfinder. They just completely removed all the D&D stuff from pathfinder 2E (because of the whole mess with WOTC and the OGL) and launched pathfinder core (which is like 2.5E). It's not all quite done yet, so they can't make an adaptation of something that hasn't settled already on pnp. In one or 2 years, when all of the content is converted to the new ORC, they'll be able to develop a proper CRPG in the new version of the 2E. Trying to make a game in the OGL version of 2E while they are pushing their new ORC version would be shooting themselves in the foot.
@varuna918 interesting. I'm not a ttrpg player so I didn't know the context, but that makes a lot of sense
@@kapitankapital6580 He's actually very off base there.
For starters, Wrath of the Righteous was first announced after Pathfinder 2nd edition had first gone into playtest; PF2's full released was in 2019, WotR in 2021. While yes, it would make more sense for the Owlcat game to reflect the most current edition, Owlcat putting out a 1E Starfinder game after Starfinder 2E releases (which it would - it's out next year) would hardly be unprecedented here.
Secondly, Pathfinder's Remastered edition is already finished. There's no "one or two years" to convert any remaining content. The two Player Cores, the GM Core, and the Monster Core have all released. That's it; there's no further conversion being done. Everything from this point on, including in-progress Adventure Paths, is already being released under the Remastered version. So once again, there'd be nothing stopping them from doing a PF2 remastered game as soon as they wanted.
I love all owlcat games. I am so happy that Larian and Owlcat are doing great. They deserve it. I am also relly glad that they are doing voice acting. Personally I dont mind if not everything is voice acted, but its much more imersive.
Very interesting...I haven't spent as much time playing their games as I love their work and look forward to seeing more of it!
This looks hopeful - thanks!
Big things are coming for crpg. I heard Owlcat now have a staff of 500 and are now more like a publisher. Hasbro are going all in on digital games. We got Larian and their new IP. Got a lot of hope for the future of crpg.
I'd love to see a Starfinder game
A PF2e CRPG sounds amazing. I wonder who else they're trying to work with, if it's mostly other tabletop companies and their properties? A Call of Cthulhu one could be really interesting if they did Horror on the Orient Express or Masks of Nyarlathotep or something. I hope they keep shopping their ideas to the tabletop companies. Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing them tackle Shadowrun (or just more Shadowrun games generally), and with the success of Cyberpunk maybe that's on Catalysts' mind too. On the other hand with Larian saying they aren't planning to continue on Baldur's Gate I wonder if WotC is shopping around for others who might work on more D&D games going forward. They certainly wouldn't be the worst pick, though I hope it wouldn't sour their relationship with Paizo.
I definitely echo the concerns about voice acting though. I find most of it not terribly well done, and even if it is available, I'll often turn it off, I don't really care for it or think it adds much, and I definitely think people are right that if they try to have 100% of the dialogue voice acted we'll see a large negative impact on story / world complexity to account for the cost. Hope they know what they're doing on that front.
Unfortunately Shadowrun would have to go through Microsoft, since they own (not just license) all video game rights for SR after their purchase of FASA Studios in the early 2000s. And I'm not sure they'd want to license it out when they already have perfectly capable studios of their own.
3 of my top 10 games are from Owlcat
An interesting thing I saw that Owlcat said was that each of their four teams is the size of the original team that made WOTR.
Holy cow.
It looks like they’re going to try to do one BG3 style game, one WOTR style game (but with full voice acting), and then two of who knows what. All in existing IPs, but not any IP anybody can think of 😆 wtf are they working on? My only guess is that the WOTR style game will be Warhammer Fantasy - seems a good match for their existing engine and experience, and the power fantasy of it is obvious (you’d be some kind of general leading armies, building up cities, etc).
For anything else, anybody have any ideas? Are we gonna end up with a My Little Pony rpg? 😆(sorry Bronies)
A star wars owlcat game would be a bless
Hopefully another warhammer game like Rogue Trader. It got me into the series, it always looked intimidating to put my toes into, but it made the universe so accessible and enjoyable that I would adore another game in the universe by them.
Imagine if they are doing on Aliens franchise cRPG .... That would be awsome.
A Star Wars or Star Trek cRPG would be amazing. But I think they will definitely do another Warhammer one, because it is commercially a safe bet.
I would be so sad to have a milktose turd Star trek game.
@@TheGoreforce Given my previous experience with Warhammer games I did not expect much and yet Rogue Trader turned out great. I think Owlcat could produce great games based on these licenses.
@@Arios189 I just don't like startreck but I understand, so if they do come out with startrek I'd skip it. Though starwars would be fine.
Cool, looking forward to these new games they're hinting at, even if I don't know what they'll be.
Good luck to Owlcat devs!
I don't care about voice acting but I get that it is big for many people. I am curious what IPs they are working with, Shadowrun maybe
Taking into consideration the WoTR was probably their bestseller (?) and they've been investing in it for a loooooong time after the launch, I don't fully understand this decision (however I'm the weirdo preferring Kingmaker). Maybe this is something on the line between Owlcat and Paizo? Or that is just me - I really would like to see a new cRPG based on Pathfinder 2e rules set in Golarion. However, I would like to see a new, original story (so not based on existing table-top adventure packs) without the 'campaign' or 'kingdom' modes - pure adventuring.
I'm just playing WotR and missing the voice acting is a HUGE problem :D I'd love to have all voices, even books, just click a button and read it for me. YES PLSS
Working on multiple things simultaneously is interesting, but also a little concerning. They're not a huge studio, I don't want them to spread themselves too thin. Doubly so considering how buggy their stuff tends to be on release and how much of what makes Owlcat a good developer is their willingness/ability to provide the post-launch support needed to get things running smoothly. As for voice acting, I can take or leave it. Aside from the expense involved and dialogue tree trimming, good voice acting is just a nice-to-have, while truly bad voice acting can ruin a game. I'm VERY relieved to hear they aren't looking at AI voicework, though. That would be a dealbreaker for me on principle, and I really like these devs.
i love OWLCAT style games, hoping for more :D
they're getting up there as a developer to follow for me
Me too!
I would love for owlcat to make a game in the Warhammer Fantasy setting. I’ve been craving both Warhammer Fantasy and 40k rpg’s for years, and Rogue Trader was perfect for me. I want to play an rpg where I can be a Warhammer dwarf so badly.
If the Unreal Engine game winds up being an Isometric RPG in the Unreal setting it would be the greatest surprise ever pulled.
I don’t think all games in development are cRPGs. In particular the Unreal engine one is likely something else with more mass market appeal. I would not be surprised if investors are asking the company to diversify their portfolio.
I think that their game could be a good addition to gamepass.
They are long and allow for many playthrough they could keep player into the subscription for a while.
Shadowrun is still a possibility based on what they said, please Owlcat, make it happen.
I’m disappointed that they aren’t making a Starfinder game 😞
I hope they keep with the warhammer universe.... Both 40k and fantasy..... They are so vast they can easily make several games
I am personally maybe kinda dissappinted, that they want everything fully voice acted. Like of course I want voice acting in story missions and ither heavy moments, but overall in these types if games, I feel like the budget would be better spent on more dialogue or gameplay choices(like more backgrounds, classes, whatever) or just nothing at all, so they don't use unnecessarily too much money on a game, that might one day not sell that well and might lead some hard times for the company. (Though i seriously hope, this will never happen)
Love the no AI for the voice acting
I really liked their Pathfinder games. But I also really liked Rogue Trader. Playing a game using a different system was fun so if we get more of that I'm all up for it.
ive just started wrath of the righteous after finishing kingmaker, god its so unbelievably good
Owlcat Games makes isometric, turn-based RPGs based on established licenses - what better game to make than Fallout and take it back to its top-down roots! More so after the successes of the TV show and isometric RPGs like Disco Elysium and Baldur's Gate 3!
Mutants & Masterminds please just make one game about superheroes. Owlcat and Larian are the perfect candidate for this genre.
I'd happily take M&M or a Hero System/Champions game. Capes looks interesting but I'd really like to build my own team, or at least my own main hero.
I'm so glad they finally fixed Arcane Bond - Object for Arcana Bloodline sorcerers with the surprise DLC drop
Star Wars Owlcat game? I'd love to see it.
Though if they continue to release games in a buggy state, SW fans are gonna eat them alive.
Trying to please SW fans is pointless, the vocal part of the fanbase is a rabid hive of man-babies.
You know, I was just thinking this some hours ago… and here you are!
Probably not gonna happen, but I wanna see more of dnd's dead series like Neverwinter nights or icewind dale with owlcat on the helm
If I where them, I wouldn't touch the shitty DnD 5e.. And pathfinder is better 3.5... sooo.... I would rather them not touch the worst TTRPG that's on the market.
I'd like to see them try their hands with a horror setting
I would love if they could get the rights to make a shadowrun game !!!!
Hopefully their quest to voice-act everything going forward won't be their downfall. Pushing for a fully voice-acted CRPG can result in other areas of the game to be bland and simply unfinished, not realizing their full potential, not to mention the fact that dialogues may be significantly shorter and less interesting, like for example in PoE2. I understand that they want to make their games approachable to a broader audience, but those that "can't be bothered to read" in the cRPG do not appreciate the effort put into the game nor are they trully gamers/interested in gaming.... Alas, I am sure that Owlcat will make good decisions..
Starfinder RPG please !!
Cmon Owlcat. Shadowrun game. Make it so.
Wild you made a video about them. Apparently becoming publishers for other games now
Damn, I was really banking on one of them being Starfinder. I’ve always loved sci-fi and would’ve died for a game with all the races and classes
RPG in aliens world !!
I’ve been holding out on buying Wrath of the Righteous in hopes of a version bundled with all DLC. Based on this video, it doesn’t seem to be in the works.
I'd love a Warhammer Fantasy Role Playing Game.
Aww, comeon, man! I just want a Starfinder game!
I’m actually worried that they are stacking their plate too high. I love their games but they are notorious for having buggy messes on launch.
I think I am a rarity that I don't like full voice acting in isometric cRPG. I like voice acting in important speech and dialogue but not all. I like what Rogue trader is doing now.
starfinder woulda been awesome 😢
I am disappointed that they didn't confirm anything about Pathfinder or Starfinder projects in the works but I am very curious about these new projects too give my hopes up. Now I'm nervous is doing several projects kind of worries me just because the devs will be split between different projects quality is a bit of a worry for me. But I have optimistic view of them. Since they have grown.
I think with how well BG3 did, full voice acting will be much more common even in isometric RPGs.
this vid might segue into something we were just discussing on a game forum. Also might make a good video topic you could give your thoughts on. Crpg sales.
larian was nearly dead before original sin 1. that did extremely well. OS was a break out. Bg3 was even BIGGER of a break out. a total anomaly.
Kingmaker sold 1m copies. Wrath a sequel to the successful kingmaker, with all that word of mouth. also solid 1m copies at last stated. wrath with also the word of mouth as one of the best crpgs of all time. it did sell that 1m faster... Rogue trader is 40k, coming off the back of the fame of WotR.. sold 500k in 1 month.. but no sales data released since. if it sold more then 1m copies, or outsold WoTR, owlcat would have made a press release. which suggests.. it hasn't. which is pretty crazy if true.
Disco Elysium. 2.6m on steam alone as of march 2023. another break out.
Wasteland 3 had 2m sales as of dec, 2021.
it'd be interesting to look into Outer worlds, avowed, pillars, etc.
I think its clear, the market for crunchy tactical, turn based rpgs is just very limited, even with the recent revival. Divinity, and disco Elysium succeeded because they are more narrative driven and less crunchy I think.
its what killed the crpg market back in 2000. As, action rpgs on consoles took over with bioware, fable, elder scrolls etc. even fallout versus wasteland itself.
Personally I expected their third game to be a Starfinder one.
might be making a warhammer fantasy game
As long as the writing isn't simplified, fine.
I hate voice acting in games. Too slow, just let me read.
As long as there's a way to mute it or disable it, great.
Thanks for the video. I think it it would be neat if they went the FromSoft route, and found a winning formula that they kept improving upon, but in CRPG fashion. Onward to 400k. All glory to the algorithm.
I would have loved a pathfinder 2e game, much easier to transfer that system to a videogame!
and it still has tactics, unlike 5e.
Everything VA on BG3 is awesome. Sometimes I just makes me go on their pace. But I also skimm and read only on some mundane stuff,
Sad to hear no new Pathfinder in the works 😢 but looking forward to what they're working on
I'd like to see them take a crack at the Might and Magic universe, can't imagine it would be that hard to get access to the IP since Ubisoft has no idea what to do with it.
I need owlcat to make a starwars old republic or legends game. I won't happen, but their 1 of probably 2 studios who could make a killer starwars game.
Consider that they are making an Unreal engine 5 game with more cinematic focus, they definitely have to fully voice it. While I'm sad that there's no pathfidner up on the horizon, I have hope that they make some sick RPG nonetheless. Finger crossed its Warhammer Fantasy, Gotrex and Felix style
I wonder if they could be working with other TTRPG companies like Chaosium or maybe even WOTC since Larian’s new productions are their own IPs.
5e is the worst TTRPG on the market, so simple, so bad, next to no class customization. It's by far the most casual, and doesn't really feel rewarding.
I'd really like to see a Owlcat Starfinder 2e game
Starfinder pleaseeeee :D owlcat pleaseeee
Warhammer Fantasy/Old World to fill the fantasy line of games. Imo it has a much more robust, deep and diverse lore as well as vibrant setting than Age of Sigmar. Total War Warhammer brought Warhammer Fantasy to the world stage, also Vermintide to lesser extend. A Warhammer Fantasy cRPG has more potential for bigger returns than AoS.
No doubt GW probably prefer to push for AoS, but if they're smart, they'll capitalize on Warhammer Fantasy's surging & undying popularity instead.
Not one AoS game has done well. So probably won't be AoS. The AoS lore needs another 5-10 years of lore development to figure out what works. Right now it's a few cool ideas sprinkled in amung a lot of bad ideas.
@@sagacity1071 Except AoS has continued to be successful for them, certainly moreso than Fantasy had been for a long while. Regardless of the poor start AoS had, they clearly made the right call?
Seriously, the lengths bitter Fantasy grognards go to wail and whine about AoS in completely unrelated comment sections never ceases to amaze me. Move on already. Play your Fantasy books, with your Fantasy models, or go buy Old World and support what's actually there. If you folks had put half the effort into supporting Fantasy when it was around, maybe it wouldn't have died in the first place (:
And btw, just to cut off any nonsense claims: I played Fantasy long before 40K. I read Fantasy before 40K. WFRP remains one of my favorite ttrpgs.. right alongside AoS: Soulbound. It's possible to enjoy two things.
Glad they’re more interested in doing Pathfinder 2e; we need games in system so badly.
I’m honestly most excited about the engine change. Unity was useful, but it felt like Owlcat pushed Unity to its limits sometimes.
Warhammer RPG with different life paths would genuinely be the death of me
I always want more party base RPG more thanthe solo.
Was hoping for a Pathfinder or Starfinder game, but I'll continue to dream.
Sooooo Shadowrun, BattleTech, Rifts, or Deadlands. All would be pretty interesting
Shadowrun would be so fucking cool!!!