BANNED From Reddit For Being a "Fake Natty"...
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
- I find this entire situation to be hilarious. Anabolic usage certainly is climbing and many transformations that you see are indeed assisted. But not ALL are, and it seems many "physique detectives" on reddit actually have no idea what the fuck they are talking about, and have standards that can actually be far surpassed without taking anything.
Do better, reddit! You can achieve a LOT naturally!
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Book should be coming tomorrow, might also buy your digital copy of the book for a present for my brother. You are on point for this vid, i fully believe that transformation to be possible, mirroring it to my own so far.
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Is compendium nine the part of slapping your plateaus?
Reddit was a mistake
Reddit, more like big shit
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Reddit more like cringe
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@@House_of_Zodd ello yüchüb
Geoffrey doesn’t sell PED’s
He sells PEB’s (performance enhancing books)
yep. bought it too. amazing
Performance enhancing documents, perhaps?
His only mistake was wanting to share his results with redditors. Those guys are the epitome of crab mentality
Reddit used to recommend Starting Strength for people with aesthetic goals. That should tell you how much they know about lifting.
@@simranbiryani3068 Reddit is a site of millions of users and thousands of communities/subs. Not all fitness subs think the same. The biggest one, r/Fitness, doesn't recommend SS, and even has a FAQ entry in their wiki explaining to new lifters why not.
Yeah most of the subreddits I’ve dealt with are a mix of juice heads, and natties who think everyone else is a juice head.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 ofc.. leg training can be very minimal and still give results with compound lifts
@@CnSaliba lmao exactly this. And ppl who have never stepped outside
His before photo is still a better physique than the slimmest redditor
Ok man you convinced me to buy your book, if I don’t look EXACTLY like this guy in 2.5 years i’ll sue you (and i will jump on tren).
Except he didn't use his book. He even mentions not having any specific workout routine or protocol other than push/pull. He is very vague about his workout too, probably because people will figure out how ineffective it is and realize the only way it would've worked was on enhancers. On top of not actually gaining that much muscle one 2.5 years, since he took the entire first year barely eating and cutting. So he gained that much mass in 1.5 years of mediocre training with gyms closing down more than once. But yeah, for sure natty right?
@@softbread1728 Watch the video. Pay attention. Think. Comment again.
@@softbread1728 bruh i just wanted to post a funny comment to let him know that i bought his book, i don’t really give a shit about that guy’s transformation (but if you really want my 2 cents opinion i’d say he’s natural)
@@softbread1728r/woosh
Reddit is such a sad, whiny place.
A few weeks ago I was arguing with a girl about the efficiency of cutting calories to lose weight. She kept saying how it's not feasible for the *majority* of people to lose weight that way because of illnesses, work schedule and metabolism.
No matter what I said she just kept repeating that i was mansplaining and privileged.
She, at some point, brought the example of her friend who was anorexic and couldn't lose weight while cutting. Or she said that her maintenance is 1300 calories so anything less than that would mean she wouldn't get enough nutrients. I suggested she exercised and she again brought up work schedule, kids etc.
Always busy but somehow has time to argue and spout nonsense on Reddit.
If someone doesn't have time for their health they're doing life wrong.
Idc about their class, race, living conditions, or responsibilities.
But let's be honest it's none of that, it's just the coping mechanism of procrastinators.
Reddit is a virtue signaling s-hole where said people give themselves exceptions for not being their idea of an ideal person
Why would she want to lose weight if she's already anorexic
It's crazy how often you can find mentally ill ppl on the internet. Interacting with ppl here so often sometimes makes me feel like I'm the only person who's sane
His results are impressive & not indicative of what everyone will achieve, b/c not everyone works hard or smart enough, eats properly, sleeps enough, has the same genetics, etc…but his progress is certainly within the realm of what’s possible naturally, as my own progress the first few years in the gym was very similar (though I started out being scrawny). 💪
I can almost guarantee your delts werent as big as his. Sure, he could be in the 1% of delt genetics, but he could just as well be a steroids user using a low to moderate dose.
@Nathan him taking something is more likely but it's still percentage at the end of the day
dude that guy looks better than you at the end of your lifting journey. no offense but he mogs your profile pic
This is why I can’t stand when people say a clearly elite physique “this is achievable naturally with 2-3 years of proper dieting, rest and workout plan” like a very small % of people ever stay dialed in for that long. I’ve noticed that guys who are on gear overestimate naturally achievable physiques in order to make themselves feel better about using gear to make gains.
Very similar.. Right
Bro. You really expect me to believe that he gained more than 20 lbs in 2 years? That's not how the human body works, you can only gain like 5 lbs a year because I did so doing only curls which is the optimal bodybuilding split. I'm unsubbing for promoting drug use
Lol, so you didn't watch the beginning of the video ?. The guy started at 6ft 230lbs, then cut down to 150lbs. You can see he has muscle, abs, and was shredded. Then he started gaining weight slowly and working out. The progress is natural.
@@72Dexter72Manley72 that's impossible bro. I did 1rm of curls for 2 years and only gained 8 lbs, I can't respect fake nattys at all
It took me way too long to get what you said lmao
@@SM-cq1mm My man said he gained 5lbs from only doing curls. Might have gained 20lbs if he worked out his entire body. Lol 😂🤣
@@TheGovernmentputcrackinmyblunt Lol, You should have done 50rep sets.
So we went from people being super naive about steroid use in the fitness industry to now where anyone who has a decent physique is either on steroids or has to have insane, elite level genooooootics
Yes.
Its almost like people lying about being on PEDs has a reactive effect (looking at you hollywood celebs and tiktok fitness people).
@@khatdubell both extremes are bad.
the Pendulum Swing. Except it will never stop unless the fitness industry decides to.
We should ultimately get to the point of "IDGAF, my own physique, journey and results is all that matters to me"
It's very relieving to be hearing some sane words from you, Jeff. Especially after scrolling through the brogress and nattyorjuice subreddits and seeing the heaps of hateful comments on anyone who has a transformation slightly above average.
This guy is guilty of having above average genetics on the internet, those delts look great. I am 1.5 years into training and have a ffmi of 21.4 but nobody thinks I am enhanced because its mostly caused by 26 inch legs.
That’s awesome man, just whip out the quads and show em who’s boss (personally I’d take 26in legs even over delts like that, it’s not an easy choice tho)
Do more torso work and distribute it more evenly across the program
@@iangraham-white5717 dude geoff is like 23 ffmi and you say you might reach 22 in a year?
My man he has better delts than goff, let's stop clowning ourselves acting like he's likely to be natty
The quality of your videos just keep getting better! Also, I feel like those accusing him of PEDs are almost certainly not putting in the effort he’s putting in-whether it’s diet or training
Reddit’s a joke, 95% of “fitness fanatics” on there have no clue what they’re talking about
It's the old "I am jealous" so he must be taking something....
great video GVS
Social media has ruined the perception of what we believe the human body to be capable of. His transformation absolutely looks attainable naturally, most people can't imagine being consistent with their diet and training for 6 months, let alone 1.5 years, so I'm not surprised he got the hate.
People don't believe they're capable of much by themselves, so they project it on to others. Sad, really.
I've been consistent for 7 months, I absolutely have to keep my body fat low cause my liver and I can tell u I look nothing like that guy, I look fatter, even my weight loss has pretty much stalled, but I got to keep going, took me 2 month to lose 10lbs that was only cause I cut to 1200 calories but even that stopped working, the only way I think I will ever look like that is either drugs or starving myself with I'm not about to do either
Dude has made it ! He got people to call him juiced. Thats the biggest compliment a natural lifter can get !
This is my girlfriends younger brother’ I can vouch he is natural.. it’s unbelievable the backlash thats being received’ I have witnessed firsthand his consistency and dedication the past two and a half years working out.. between that and genetics is how he got the results! not steroids
Sorry, but being someone's sister's boyfriend doesn't necessarily mean he's going to spill his guts to you. It doesn't take any great effort to hide a bottle of SARMs. Not saying the guy's enhanced, not saying he isn't. Personally, I couldn't care less. But it's silly to pretend that the "backlash is unbelievable." That's a lot of progress in only a couple of years, way beyond what most people would achieve, so the accusations are very understandable, in my book.
This is my mom's sister's boyfriend's son's friend from middle school and ya hes natty
I don't care if you really know the guy, but for this case, I don't see how it CAN'T be done. It's far from unachievable. Consistent training with god tier lighting can get you looking sauced up.
I swear, people have to stop caring so much.
With how often people speculate and call people out, I'm led to believe that at this point, people are using "setting false expectations" as an excuse when it's a clear sign of insecurity and being butthurt of not getting as good results. Jeffrey couldn't have been more spot on in the vid.
Oblivion NPC's really is the best analogy for redditors. Great video.
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his transformation is impressive and I believe he did it naturally. I also did the same thing last 2020. took me a year and a half (it was faster since I lifted years back) and people then think that I'm a fake natty. these people who accuse me are usually those who don't really train hard or has no idea with nutrition. it's funny because they accuse me that I'm using something then there are some of these people who tell me to "improve your shoulders". bruuuuuuuh
It’s the delts that drive people insane. I do think one of the biggest giveaways on natty status is when the delts are capped and full 100% of the time- but as you say in this video, a natural with good shoulder genetics, a pump, and perfect lighting and angles can easily come across as juicy in a one off photo.
Kinobody is probably the best “famous” fitness example of the accusations against this guys. It’s the delts which make people suspect and unsure of the natty status.
That an he's got good genetics as far as the vtaper goes everywhere else and people often judge size relative to the rest of the body and not in absolute terms. His mass doesn't seem particularly large in a bodybuilding sense, just good genetics + getting rid of the baby fat that was covering it + pictures with a pump/lighting/flexing/angle.
I have capped delts. Its completely genetic.
@@adamek9750 yep.
Yeah I have some pretty capped delts. It is where people look.
I bought your book a couple months ago, and I must say, I REALLY need to find time to open it for the first time.
the other thing about "steroid delts/traps" is that they have a bloated/inflated look. Ngl, my gut reaction was "fake natty" after seeing him, but if u look at his delts, they definitely dont have that enhanced, bloated look, you can see some striations, which is indicative of being natural
That's cope. Striations is indictive of being lean nothing. More
If I didn't know me, I'd accuse me of being a fake natty. We just look too juicy in good lighting and half-natty angles. The natty curse is looking smol in normal clothes and being accused of drugs in a stringer. The haters can keep hating with their weak work ethic and/or genetics.
It's a blessing and a curse. Its enhanced if you're short as shit but the redditors don't know it
Absolutely no one would think you're enhanced. You look like the normies in the gym w 50% bodyfat
Man I’d rather be chubby than look small in a T-shirt that’s that bear mode look. (I super respect the dedication it takes to get lean natty but for me it seems far from worth it if you only look big naked with a pump and great lighting) the nice thing is you can do both, get huge on your bulk and get show prepped borderline fake natty on the cut
@@RsLeonardo1 a lot of people would say he's enhanced. I seriously doubt it, that he's on something, but that's due to the fact that due to better training methods, like those promoted on this channel, what is achievable naturally has become more impressive. If you think he looks like the average gym goer, and he's fat, you are delusional. Most people at the gym never look like this, even "serious" lifters.
@@natereynolds2783 he looksnlike the average dude at planet fitness.
Feel for this guy as I have the perfect "fake-natty" physique: decent traps, neck, shoulders, keratosis pilaris on my arms and back, crazy vein on my left bicep, and the last place I lose fat is my lower pecs. FML. My only saving grace is I have terrible muscle insertions and always look perma-lean-bulked around 25% body fat. So just look like a cloud that lifts. Going to go on a cut for the first time to see if I can get banned on social media. Might even hop on Goeff's PED (Performance Enhancing Document).
you sound like a redditor
@@burritodog3634 that's impossible. I have a wife and a life.
Man, people from Reddit really could use people like you Geoff
Bold of you gentlemen to assume that they are people 😅
Nah...they'll just accuse him of juicing
Just the bad reddits. Brogress is mostly filled with people who want attention. Gettingshredded is pretty much people showing off how well drugs help you retain muscle. Nattyorjuice is a very friendly gay community. gregdoucette's reddit really needs help though.
They could use a father figure, for one. A purpose on the planet, for another
The ‘online’ fitness community is the biggest group of butt hurt individuals ever 😂. Take the roids accusations as a complement and keep grinding 👍🏾
See, this is where i disagree with geoff in this video.
He said the more you try to defend yourself the more it looks like you're taking drugs, which is true.
But i feel that someone that is actually natural would just take your stance on it.
Take it as a complement and move on.
Someone that is actually natural should have the self confidence to not need to try and endlessly defend their natural state. Afterall, _they_ know they are natural, right?
@@khatdubell That just depends on your personality. Some will indeed have the mentality you describe, but I imagine there are plenty of naturals who have a hard time just taking it as a compliment, because they're basically being accused of being a liar. If you take pride in your honesty that could be really insulting and you'd want to convince people that you're indeed an honest person. I also think it makes sense for a natural with a good physique to want to convince people that their physique is achievable naturally, because they could be afraid of being seen as a walking gear advertisement, even if they're fundamentally agains PED use and don't want others to hop on gear.
Irl too, not as much cuz of anonymity online but it happens sometimes, you get a couple of (skinny) dudes talking smack.
Men talking behind other men's backs, what is this world we live in?
Why can't we all just do our thing and keep our lane.
Its always easier for people to doubt others because it justifies doubting themselves. Get better, start where you stand, and see how far you can go.
If you haven't been accused of being a fake natty, do you even lift?
I'm still waiting.. 🤣
Genetics is probably the most overlooked factor in the fitness industry.
Also, who is the idiot that started this "big delts = 100% juiced" nonsense?
Androgen receptors are heavily stored in the delts, ergo when you hop on the saaaauuuuce, they pop off. You can legitimately see this in before and afters of less experienced people taking shit.
Reality of it all is that its not THAT big of an impact, and people with great genetics of that area will continue having great genetics
All I got from this is I have to get your book.
Good thing payday is Friday :)
Enjoy :)
Honestly IDGAF. I’m to busy working on myself and building my own path that I don’t have time to investigate weather someone is a fake natty or not.
2:56 The Globglogabgalab after his cut.
Look at how straight and wide his clavicles are probably the best possible upper body shape one could have, that part is obviously natural. Traps are insanely wide too
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 in absolute terms perhaps not but that's not important, look at the comparison at 3 mins with gvs, this guys clavicles create the illusion of width even if not big in general and means he's going to 'display' chest and delts better than someone with narrow or curved clavicles.
I’m completely blind but I would love to buy your book if you ever put it on audible
Such a cool testimonial.
PEBs? Performance-enhancing books?
Reddit is a a never ending goldmine of cope and seethe
Preach. It's the goldmine for copium
Besides his shoulders, everything looks totally normal to me. Dude looks pretty sick, but the timespan seems totally reasonable. I find it hard to believe someone obsessively trains shoulders, but at the same time, the borderline homoerotic MPMD fans have basically built an animal sacrifice shrine to delts. So there could actually be a generation of kids who train delts more than biceps and chest… which is cray cray.
A generation of children who think you have to be a glorified drug addict to make appreciable progress
@@curlean-x4443 For real. It’s when kids are being influenced by someone that I lose all patience and go psycho mode.
that oblivion edit almost made me choke on my food lmao
wtf I just got to that part as I read your comment
I can see why many people are confused. Most of the info outhere is bad and most guys going to the gym are kids.
I started working out at the age of 14 and even tho I was training hard, and eventually implemented proper routine and nutrition... any progress was very hard and slow to come. Ever since I was a complete novice.
Then I turned twenty and a lot of things changed. I believe it was cause my body had finally (mostly) matured then. Putting on muscle became extremely easy compared to before. For over two years i could set PRs each workout, and it actually seemed like I was experiencing "noobie gainz" for the first time ever.
I did not change my training and nutrition in any significant way during that time period. My body was just different cause it had gone through puberty.
So this transformation seems reasonable to me now. However, I would have been extremely suspicious if i had seen it while i was a teen.
How was your gains when you were 17?
@@funkymonkey7202 nothing spectacular to be honest. I looked more muscular than other guys my age but looked tiny and unimpressive next to older men.
its crazy what a pump+good lighting can do
Thats some G-SHRED style marketing video
Gotta eat somehow. I don't have ads on my videos and it's a $20 ebook, very reasonable. I can sleep very well at night.
That's what happens when you go to a subreddit full of maingainers
All those guys care about is being shredded and getting abs.
@@nomaderic like I don't know if the guy is natty, but I made roughly the same progress in a similar timeframe, and I am also 6ft and started lifting at 18 without PEDs
banned from reddit for being too house
The first problem is Reddit, who cares what those guys think?
Facts. Reddit is a cesspool
On the one hand it's the greatest compliment to receive when someone calls you a fake natty when you're a genuine natty. On the other hand it's a cruel insult. What he's achieved is very much possible naturally, but it's as rare as hen's teeth.
Nothing is crueler that being on the juice but people think you're natty.
I met someone on a night out like that, talking about steroids etc expecting me to be the same.....and I was like.....umm 👀 righhhhhhht.
When I started training in the 1970s none of us were on PEDs. Everyone who worked hard made noticeable progress measured in months, not just years. This guy is also young and making newbie gains. Recently I bulked from 185 to 198, and cut to 176. Getting back up to 185 leaner and stronger than before bulking took 7 weeks. That’s at 64 years old.
Redditors are REALLY accusing this man of being young, disciplined, intelligent, and combining newbie gains with rebuilt muscle re-gains. They may be phrasing it as “fake nattie” because they sub-consciously want themselves to be perceived as lazy, stupid and whiny so they can fit in with their own crowd.
p.s. SWEAT is indeed an excellent book. Plus, if you like Geoff's editing, you'll love his fonts.
p.p.s. Also, get off of my lawn. ; )
Come off it. You're in no position to speak about what EVERYONE in the 1970s was doing. How the hell could you possibly know that?
@@danieltemelkovski9828 "Everyone who worked hard" refers to the part of "none of us," who worked hard. The "us" refers to none of us having been on PEDs. That's how English pronouns work. And our teenage friends in the 1970s where I grew up really were not on PEDs.
Come off it. You're in no position to speak about anything that requires intelligent thought in English. But how the hell could you possibly know that?
Don't pretend to be stupid. If you are stupid, please accept my apologies for drawing public attention to what may in fact be a debilitating lifelong deficiency for you.
thanks to drama channels everybody thinks you cannot gain 0.5 pounds of muscle in 1 year probably to pet there ego, literally losing fat "somewhat" inconsistently in a heavy bulk while gaining a decent amount of weight
funny thing is that theres a spectrum where some people would probably say his build is the opposite, 85% of people have nothing good to say either fake natty or your physique is trash, oh yeah not to mention the constant hate on videos where people are doing "exercise for x number of reps" its gotten so bad its not even form police anymore just hate in general. Awesome physique 👍
Lol. Still have never seen a transformation like mine. 6ft from 325 to 220lbs. But I was a furniture mover and was basically a strongman. Started lifting at 38 years old, cut down naturally and in 6 months of lifting weights I am now the 2nd biggest guy nat. In my gym.
I have your book too and I train to failure isolating every muscle with good frequency good sleep perfect lean bulking diet and I don’t see a single positive change in the mirror 1 year in. I have a strong feeling my genetics are horrendous because my grip strength is 30 kg which is at the bottom 10% of men my age. Maybe if someone trained like a powerlifter then you could shit on them for getting bad results but I genuinely do everything right and my natty progress is horrendous compared to the guy in the vid
How much weight have you gained? "perfect lean bulking diet" sounds like potentially undereating. If you see ZERO progress (on ALL lifts, EVERY one??) something is indeed very wrong but I wouldn't jump to genetics. You don't have to isolate each muscle, maybe you're doing too many exercises. Perhaps stress? Definitely an unusual case.
@@GVS I bulked up from 140 lb to 175 so it's definitely not diet. I downed 1-2 tubs of protein powder a month. I'm well below average in all lifts for my height and weight. I also bought an overpriced sleep ring and can confidently cross off sleep from being the culprit. No stress since I'm remote working and out of school.
I might be a workhorse to a very extreme extent because I used to excel at long distance running. So maybe I need to dramatically increase volume. This is the last thing I haven't tried yet because I still only do 3-4 sets per muscle group per session.
That’s my buddy!
Man you have great chest genetics, you can tell even before you started lifting you had some chest development
Just some pushups and leanness. Actually it was a weak point for a while as I did everything close grip.
If I could double-upvote that video for the Oblivion-flashbacks, I would do it XD .
Some people used the covid-time for crying, watching netflix and eating a bunch of fastfood, he got ripped. Envy is a bitch.
This is why i never go on reddit. Shit is so toxic.
I will say, I'm 150lbs and I'm 4 inches smaller and he absolutely DWARFS me looking at that picture where he was 151lbs, I'm around 15% bodyfat could be less as I've always been very lean naturally.
Man, i hate reddit. Not surprised with the respond towards this gym bro.
His before is my after 1.5 years of training lmao
sucks to have bad genetics
I'm 50-50 if he's natural or not. Its not a coincidence that naturals don't have big upper chest and boulder shoulders. Naturals have this aspect of "limp muscles". Also not a coincidence they have big arms (vastly disproportionate compared to shoulder and upper chest).
But then again, he doesn't have much chest hair (nor a big upper chest), veins, reddish skin tint, etc other signs that he's using PEDs. He could be natural, but he would be damn lucky genetically if he is.
Excellent video.
During covid I atrophied from 149 to 132 lbs (5'9") as I stopped going to the gym and focused on keeping myself afloat financially.
Going back to the gym (5-6 days each week), I regained that lost muscle-mass pretty quickly before plateauing at 150 for a while. I then shifted towards actually increasing my calorie intake too, since I struggled to even reach 2,000 calories/day and started making gains again (newbie gains 2.0?). Am now standing at about 168-171 lbs, four days shy of the 1-year mark. My body fat has increased by a few percentage points, but I wouldn't want to post about my gains publicly to forums like reddit or my personal social media because I realize gaining nearly 40 lbs in a year isn't normal and I'd want to save face from those accusations, even if about 20 of it was formerly-had mass. It is definitely possible to gain lots of muscle under the right conditions.
Nice breakdown. Im becoming concerned bar for what can be achieved naturally is becoming very low with the ongoing discussion around fake natties. Like you said some people have to raise their expectations for what can be done naturally. Would think newbie or inconsistent lifters might be the main group.
I get accused of it every day and then when I defend myself with facts that disprove their claims they just accuse me of roid rage and say that I'm too defensive to be telling the truth. As if people just laugh or politely agree when they get falsely accused. These people are so pathetic. I am 5'9.5" at 163-167 lbs at 8-10% bf year round at 42. I've been the same weight for 20 years. I built 20lbs the first year, 10 the second year and 5 more over the last 18 years. I got as lean as I am by losing almost all the muscle in my late 30's by starving which also leaned me out getting me down to a dangerous 5% at 143 lbs. I got back into lifting two years ago and because of muscle memory I was able to get it all back in 6 months without having to bulk. I barely had to eat at maintenance. So this is why I am so lean. Not because of gear. You don't get to be my age looking like me for as long as I have by doing steroids. I have never had acne or bance, never sweat during workouts unless it's hot out. I have all my hair even though it has been gradually thinning since late 20's. I have high testosterone and high sperm count. I have a strong labido and perfect health. That's because I did this naturally not in spite of it. I've always had capped delts and veins popping out if my arms and shoulders. Its mostly genetics combined with proper training and diet and sleep over a long period of time. This is not easy but its possible. Only losers who need to cope would think that this guy or me for that matter are not natural.
Goddammit Mike, looking enhanced. I can see why dyels question your natty status. Keep it up.
Reddit. The place you get banned for saying that there are two sexes. It's a place of madness.
That’s shitty to attack someone you don’t know, genetics exist. This is the downside of natty or nots…everyone thinks there experts
Natty or nots are a waste of time
Oh please. As if it's some mortal insult to be accused of being on PEDs. It's actually quite funny to me how offended people here are getting that this guy was accused of being fake natty. Like, who cares?
@@danieltemelkovski9828 its one thing to accuse someone and something else to just blatantly harass a dude over something you don’t have 100% proof on.
Damn it.. U gave me a wonderful idea with those light pics!
that edits specially the outro completly killed me 💀
I love how pooorly “Greg” is crossed out
Haters love to hate, who cares, let them wallow in their own pathetic lives. Natty or Nut video are so yesterday's news. Be happy and lift
Yes to the oblivion clips
offtopic, but after seeing many pictures in one video: it seems like beard makes you bigger in bear mode, but with low bf% it actually makes you look smaller.
What a drama being natty and that delts & traps are your best muscle groups. Anyways, if the guy is really juiced I would not be surprised either.
Love ur vids man ,I get very discouraged to workout an loss weight but keep going especially since I got vids like urs ,u definitely make me wanna cut hella fat down an get massive naturally
Keep it up! 💪💪
@@GVS thanks man I forsure will ,jus tryna keep my head up an not cycle to bad back into eating habits,thanks for all the helpful advice u give 💪💪💪
Geoffrey, I gotta say I'm pretty sure you're wrong about this one. I mean, it's pretty obvious he is fake natty... guy's newbie gains progress is nonstop (yeah even newbie gains slowdown). But hey if you seriously think he is natty, read this comment and I'm almost sure I'll change your mind. Trust me, it's worth the essay.
These are compiled from his Reddit posts
1st Year - "I went from 230lbs to 150 ish lbs while working out. huge weight loss yeah but I literally barely ate anything the whole year". " I did not lift in the before photo I was just fat lol." These are related to his before and 1st year. He barely ate to do such a great cut, but he doesn't look depleted whatsoever, he even gained a decent amount of muscle mass. Shoulders, by the way, are not very round and pretty average in that area, to be honest. But these results are VERY good, for someone who, as he claims, has never lifted and barely eaten.
1.4 Years - "I just went to the gym like 3-4 times a week, i didnt really have a routine back then I just did whatever but I still pushed myself. In terms of diet I literally just ate less shit and did not snack in between meals." "I didnt even follow any special protocol, i just ate less shitty food and worked out hard. Thats about it!" "Kinda bummed tho cuz the gyms around me just closed again". In his 1.4 years he focused on gaining muscle, his gains are INSANELY good given that he has only focused on muscle building in .4 years. I would understand if he did an optimal workout and was super well informed, but he mentions not having any specific routine or protocol and doing whatever, not any specific diet (in this situation, a well-controlled surplus would've been expected). On TOP of that, this was during the gyms closing due to Cvid, and him saying "again" means that within that year of progress, his local gyms had closed more than once. However, he still managed to make insanely good progress, especially for natty, in such an extremely short time (again, only .4 years). Shoulders, looking kinda suspicious, maybe genetics, but everything else seems to be underwhelming compared to those shoulders.
1.5 Years - Honestly, not much to quote. 99% of his comments are him defending LIKE CRAZY he is natural, which we all know is a common trait for fake natties, while natties normally are happier and less triggered with being called fake natties. However, that is not a clear factor, more like a point to take notice of. He claimed to be bulking still (since 2nd year), but he seems suspiciously shredded to me, again, not an "obvious" aspect but still interesting. His gains have sped up, which is the most suspicious thing since it looks like he gained more mass in this .1 year progress than in the .4 year progress he did before.
2.5 Years - "Peoples shoulders are just shaped differently, mine pop out way more than most people’s just cause thats how theyre shaped" " What do you think ifbb pros looked like after 2.5 years? Not saying im of that calibre, not even close, but you get my point". So, in the end, the picture looks massive. He claims his shoulders have that round shape, false, we saw him when he cut, his shoulders are not naturally any more popped than your average joe. Brings up ifbb pros, saying that he can do great progress in 2.5 years, and so do ifbb pros... I mean, come on man, the timing. Looks insanely huge, still bulking but still fairly shredded but not as much as before.
To me, this is an OBVIOUS case of fake natty. He wants people to believe he is natty and salivate looking at his amazing progress. All the signs are extremely suspicious, and there are even more progress pics in his Reddit. For example, one that shows a HUGE increase in deltoid size in a MONTH. We know steroids work best on shoulders due to receptors so there seems to be coherence in that department. Here are some of the biggest factors I didn't mention. He did ALL THIS while also being in university, studying something related to mathematics, and even getting math scholarships. He is open (around last year) about experiencing with micro-dosing shrooms, not cause-and-effect but people who have experience with one drug and broke that barrier of fear of testing, tend to be more open about using other drugs.
I honestly do not understand with Geoffrey thinks he is natty especially when the factors are so obvious. By the way, in ALL his threads, he was continuously asked what his workouts were. He gave average answers, push/pull, no routine, yadda yadda yadda, or just ignored them (funny though, he didn't seem to be able to ignore those that claimed he was a fake natty huh). Never mentioned you, probably told you that because you gave him the attention he so desperately needs as a fake natty, especially since you believed his CLEARLY bs story.
To me this video seem like just a lack of research on top of being extremely subjective just because he is similar to you.
I'd like to point out since he spent the entire 1st year barely eating (somehow still managed to gain substantial mass tho), most his progress was in 1.5 years. In which the gyms closed down more than once, with a mediocre average diet and workouts. Yep, 100% natty right?
This is literally why I don't comment on such transformations. It appears as the absolute perfect natty training and diet from the get go but absolutely no one's process is perfect from the start
@@RsLeonardo1 Yeah, going from never-before-training to achieving beyond optimal results in less than 1.5 years of training with a (self-testified) mediocre training is a dead giveaway. But, for example, if he would've had had a good coach for workouts and nutrition it was believable.
@@softbread1728 I'd like to add. Geoffrey isn't even experienced. He's like literally an intermediate lifter lol. I love watching his content to see if he learns anything or makes videos like this. It reminds me of me when I was younger in the game getting clowned assuming people who look natty are natty
Hi Geoffrey since you mentioned your book... I bought it (I recommend adding sample pages because I actually pirated at first to see a few pages and get a general assessment of the quality and then bought it) a while back. Really like the details in it, the training plans have exercises that aren't really for me but I just mismatch with other ones and I feel like I am making great progress. Thank you!
Wow, looks like GOALS *Enters being banned from reddit for fake natty status on bucket list."
Also shows how favorable conditions can exaggerate your physique. I'm 4 inches shorter than y'all and was probably around a similar BF% (maybe a little leaner) at the same weight after a year of my journey and I could definitely make myself looked "jacked" when I angled hard enough 🤣. Seriously though his insertions are INSANE.
Leave it to reddit to accuse a guy that weighs 180 at 6 feet a fake antural.
Just so many people out there that have never been around any athletic people. Nice transformation, but nothing super unattainable from the looks of it, especially since it's pretty close to a 3 year time period.
Im gonna make up a new term, from this day on, Im gonna be a fake roider
Yeah me too, I use 1200 mgs Tren, 400mg Sus, 12 IU's GH
An oblivion meme? What a nice surprise
Just hope he takes that as a compliment
tbh if i JUST look at his reddit posts, i would also be suspicious, bcs when u make these transformation posts, ur aim isn't to present the gains as truthfully and realistically as possible but to make it look as impressive as possible (to emphasise your progress). so u grab the worst looking before picture and get the most perfect after picture. no consistent setting, lighting, posing or bodily state (pumped, rested, after a meal, after a workout, flexing, etc). so u do end up with unrealistic presentation of a natural transformation.
I also saw a very very average 6 month transformation on reddit, but there were more than 5 comments were accusing him of being juiced.
2:55 Bruddah is built for pyramid sets
I don't think those incels on reddit even lift.
GVS's traps knocked me right out of ketosis
My little brother is 21 and looks like his first picture after barely 3 months of inconsistent training we’ve always looked muscular our entire life and we never consistently worked out
That first picture only 150 pounds if he doesn’t train legs
Edit: I saw that he admitted to skipping legs lol
I don’t think anyone on Reddit besides r/weightroom actually trains
I love FFMI, makes things much more objective.
FFMI is for the most part pseudobjective and useless in my view.
@@mrvanntabulous "In my view"
FFMI isn't about your opinion, it's a fact.
Now, begone!
@@dzudemlow It really isn't. For one, people just guesstimate bodyfat percentage when using it for natty or not. Accurate bfp is a prerequisite for applying FFMI in a way that is even close to useful.
Secondly, it is questionable if the 25/26 FFMI target is even a valid natty limit. The Kouri study that it is derived from has all sorts of issues.
Dude has great genetics for the "ring of power" region. More specifically his pecs and shoulders.
His traps are kinda lacking and we would need to see his legs.
It's really not that unbelievable, but people do be like that. Anyone who looks like they work out will be accused of steroids at some point.
What some people think is possible naturally is funny in both ways. Doug Miller on one end of the spectrum vs having only some muscle with slight definition and if you have a little more cuts or favorable genetics in some bodypart - instantly drugs lol
Fascinating. After my cut from 313 lbs to 154 lbs I didn't look any like that. There was no muscle to be seen. Sure, I didn't train to keep my muscle mass. But that is not how people usually look after losing a lot of weight. Actually I am at 167 lbs. My height is 192cm and I am (and never were) for fucking sure not even close to 11% body fat. It's rather an estimated 18%.
Expectations vs reality is a hurtful thing.
I wouldn't be that hard on yourself, you weren't lifting during the cut. Luckily it sounds like you have got a lot of beginner gains ready to happen. Just go slightly above your maintenance calories (200?) for some reasonable lean bulking and consistently train hard with a linear progression type program. You should see some gains fairly quickly if you're doing it right. Once you're in the low 20s BF you can do another cut and then repeat the lean bulk. :)
Hang in there and keep working, you've got a good start. At 235 he may well have been physically active and had decent or even good muscle mass from playing sports while carrying excessive weight. Post cut, that muscle would be rebuilt faster than any new muscle would be built. You might get some pretty decent gains if being consistent with training diet and nutrition also helps you rebuild the muscle you did have when heavier. You may get muscle back in your lower body since it was carrying your weight in daily activities the whole time before your cut. So if you want to keep your spirits up by noticing progress, make sure you nail your leg and hip girdle training. Forward!
Keep it up, lifting is key!
Your before training physique is insane
His results are impressive for sure but in no way would I think he was enhanced.
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There are plenty of roid users that don't have FFMIs anywhere near 26. Not all roid users are trying to even maximize lean body tissue. So, ultimately, these natty or nots are just kind of pointless speculation.
For sure, I'd say most steroid users...you'd never know based on their physique. So there's no way to tell, some guys are dyel and enhanced.
This just proved what Alphadestiny said, fitness community is full of novices. They see something like this and automatically called it steroid, because they never had muscle in the first place and cannot fathom something achievable like this
this shows that the common person can not accurately judge if someone is natty or not.
Nice plug for the book snuck in there lol. I bought the book it is great. I don't look like this guy but I'm trying. Also the oblivion scenes are great I loved that game