10 Watch Brands That Were Better Before: Omega, Timex, Invicta & More
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- Опубликовано: 20 окт 2024
- In this month's episode of candid watch talk, I'm joined once again by Marc from Long Island Watch to discuss 10 brands we think were better before.
So, what went wrong? Why are they not as good now? What changes would we like to see?
From Swiss super luxury to affordable American iconic brands, and even a lost era of British horology, there's a little bit of everything in this episode for all true watch enthusiasts to enjoy. Don't forget to add your thoughts in the comments, and nominations for brands you preferred before!
**Spoilers ahead!**
In this video we discuss: Audemars Piguet, Benrus, Timex, Omega, Girard Perregaux, Smiths, Glycine, Invicta, Concord, and Longines.
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Two gentlemen talking & laughing about watches. Fantastic 👏
That Marc guy is hardly a gentleman.
@@jonathancorbett7882 how so?
@Blueshifted •• he's gone silent. Insult then disappear?
And we get to sneek in for free 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
I'm almost 71 now and in the day I first wanted to own a watch Timex was king of the affordable brands and Omega ruled supreme over the high end brands. Rolex was unheard of as were the other high end brands. This watch chat format is really enjoyable; well done.
Cheers! I’ve loved watches after inheriting my granddad’s old Hamilton pocket watch that he presented to me in his 70’s
TGV: "Here are the super-successful uber-brands that I wish still did things the old way."
Marc: "Here are the super-forgotten brands that kept doing it the old way and failed badly because they didn't change."
I try never to miss the The Urban Gentry/Long Island Watch episodes. Always a good time.
When is Marc launching “Long Island Therapy”, but more importantly, can I book an hour to talk through some stuff?
Long Island therapy is just fake tans, designer handbags and keystone light
I live in Holland, own probably 12 watches, from Seiko to Invicta and Timex. Of course big steel Gshocks and so on. Nothing expensive but just loving this hobby. Now listening to all this watch talk and learning so much! Love it. Thank you so very much for these enjoyable hours!!👌🙏
“We don’t need to go into the history of Omega...”
*goes into the history of Omega*
LOL
You hit the nail on the head with AP. Their audience are the athletes and celebrities that make the masses want to follow them.
I have zero interest in ever owning a Royal Oak. Maybe a CasiOak for shits and giggles
and don't forget the rappers with their ghastly iced out pieces that you can't even see the time 🤮
@@Justin-ml8id Good thing Rolex never made gaudy watches for rappers. Wait........
@@PepeDeezNutz Royal Oak makes
You broke
As you can say for every Rolex models. Maybe not so about the code 11.59 😂
Good evening TGV! Great to have you and Marc back in the channel. Always enjoy this episodes on The Urban Gentry. Got me now a nice glass of red wine, ready for this conversation. Have a great evening!
Thank you Heiko, chin chin my friend!
I just poured a nice one myself :D
Best regards,
TGV
@@theurbangentry Didn't know Hugo left you any full bottles.
Because of spending the last month watching these videos I fell in love with Seiko!!! I’m a watch collector, been in love with Swiss watches since childhood, I have a nice rather small collection of 16 watches, I once owned a quartz powered Seiko Chrono in the 90s and today…..I just bought a Sky blue Cocktail PRESAGE, so excited, can’t wait to receive it. Love you guys.
I‘m a born Sherlock Holmes and I couldnt therefore overlook that TGV uses a different cup for every single mouthful of tea. A cup snob.
You guys forgot about the television ads in the ‘60’s when Timex had a Marlin strapped on an outboard motor prop and run in a tank of water to show how tough it was. That ad alone sold 10,000’s of watches in that decade.
I remember that one. Was it John Cameron Swayze who was in that commercial? I worked at a Nuclear plant in Florida late '80s til 2003. A recreational scuba diver got sucked into the cooling water intake pipe (the plant divers assured me he had to have been trying to get into it through the grating) and sued the utility, then, a year or two later, his face is on a Full page Timex magazine ad bragging about how his Timex watch took a beating through his harrowing experience.
@@varanid9 John C Swayze, right. In another ad he strapped a Timex onto a tire of a huge swamp buggy, then thrashed it through the water. Kept on ticking!
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Super video. Incredibly rare that I could sit and watch a watch talk video for over an hour, but TGV and Marc are pure magic together. Well done guys. Thank you to TGV for the incredible content as always.
And thank you for not bashing Tag Heuer!
A good evening hearing you two talk watches. Saw the notification and I was excited right away. Cheers!
These are the best watch conversations on youtube. No doubt. Thanks fellas, keep em comin'!
I bought my first "real watch" from Long Island, due in no small part of a recommendation from TGV, truly a joy to watch you guys together.
Love hearing comments like that, you started at the perfect place.
Thank you for sharing that.
Best regards,
TGV
I also started watching Marc and buying watches from him after hearing TGV talk about him several years ago.
I think I started watching Marc just before the watch and learn series started. It was like he knew I needed more information and started the series just for me.
About the first homage watches: there were homage watches way before the Invicta Pro Diver. Look at all the 1960-70's designs, the companies copied each other back then, there's a Tissot Seastar that looks the same as an Omega Seamaster. Just one example. Cool video TGV and Marc!
My favourite brand is Mido. They made some great watches. They are a older company than Rolex and was at one time the top Swiss watch manufacturers. I have three of their watches. One from the 40's, one from the 60's and a early 70's one. I believe Adolf Schild was one of the founders of Mido. They recently done a reissue or reimagining of one their 60's divers. They still make some very nice watches.
The new Mido Sea star chronometer is a bargain. I love the PVD version.
Agree.....love Mido as well....too bad not too many people know about them in North America.
Swatch Group as Omega, Longines, Tissot, Rado, etc. Mido is a great watch and the brand was mainly targeted at the South American market decades ago.
it seems the swatch group brands are promoted in turn around the world so that here in the us mido and rado are not that common but tissot, hamilton and omega are. but if you live elsewhere you will have a different reference point of swatch brands. it is smart on the part of the swatch group, but i wasn't really aware of mido until the past couple years or so.
Have a mido chronometer it's one great watch
Best watch content on RUclips. Great chemistry between you guys! Love it!
Thank you Jonas!
Best regards,
TGV
yep
I agree that this is the best watch stuff on You Tube. The pairing is interesting, educational, and entertaining. Mt thanks to both of you for providing us with something very worthwhile!
Vacheron, for me should be there. Similarly to AP, I feel they’ve lost their heritage, and with the overseas are really a one watch brand. The Patrimony is a never ending source of frustration for me- it’s just so darned large!!
I Like when Marc busts out some nugget, like some watch he sells doesn't sell well. Very interesting.
This video makes me misty, sad, whimsical and nostalgic for an age I don’t even remember. Something grand about faded glory. Wonderful video.
I love the SMITHS mentioned at the end. I am a big fan and own several of them because I'm a sucker for nostalgia. My favourite Smiths is a little gold capped model called the "Empire" which I found at a flea market in Covent Garden. It was a very difficult time for me because I was dealing with depression. However, this little watch with its super loud tick made me so happy and even helped me overcoming this bad time. It still gets its due wrist time 4 years later.
I never thought I would spend more than an hour watching two guys talking about watches. And I enjoyed it! Nice chat over a very interesting subject. Very exciting and informative for a relatively new watch enthusiast like me.
Crap, didn't realize I was watching an hour long video about two people harping over the past.
I want more of this.
I thought the flippy sign thing behind Marc kept track of how many Islanders models there are.
🤣🤣🤣
@@JulioMo good one
I thought it's used to track how many customers he has ripped off with his undeclared factory seconds.
@@jonathancorbett7882 Why do you say he has ripped people off? I not taking offense to your comment. I would actually like to hear more of your opinion. I have an Islander and so does wife. I think they are both great.
Next time, you should talk about how to get gen z and young teens into real watches with Marc. That would really help grow the watch community, both on RUclips, and in real life.
It's sad how young generations have lost interest in watches. I'm almost 18 years old and I'm in love with watches, but whenever I try to tell them about anything related to watches they immediately get bored lol…
I am 13 and I just love watches
@@megamindfrommetrocity4089 I'm happy to hear that :) I'd like you to keep in mind that you should be wearing what you love. There are many people who try to let us down by saying "that watch is crap" or whatever, but it's your love that adds value to the watch.
@@megamindfrommetrocity4089 I am 14 and I also adore watches!!! It's so good to hear from someone my age who collects watches. I already have 8 watches. How many do you have?
@@tyt5216 I'm not sure if that's really a thing. What I mean is, I know lots of older people and can count on one hand the number of them that have even a passing interest in watches. I don't think it's a generational thing
Love these uploads. Not so much on the monthly topics but purely on the ‘knowledge’ (information) that’s being conveyed between the both of you. Fantastic stuff and please keep this going. Thank you both.
I think Seiko was better back then in the 70's and 80's. Tunas, Willard, Turtle, 7a28 line up, Giuggiaros, digital watches. Tons of icons. I miss them.
Company suggestions for pt 2:
Wittnauer
Elgin
Bulova
Gevril
Rado
Blancpain
Rotary
Yes Rotary. Have a NOS Avenger II from the 70s, great manual winding watch. New designs are so so, mostly quartz, no innovation.
Ditto for Rado, add Armitron
Horological 'get off my Lawn!' For an hour loving it. another wonderful video great work guys. Thanks.
I love how this duo doesn’t make any sense on paper but it just works so well , glad I found these!
Bravo, you're a marvelous duet, the passion and knowledge shine through.
Marc and Tristano - thank you so much for this wonderful video and all this valuable information. Stay healthy and happy Easter !
I get so excited when I discover an episode I have not seen. Love hearing you two bouncing your vast and diverse knowledge back and forth between each other. Great episode TGV and Marc!
Big thanks to Mark for mentioning Elgin watches. I live in Elgin less than two miles from where the old factory used to stand.
Seiko was my introduction to watches, I was 15 when I bought my Seiko Sports 100 chrono and I still have it and wear it:D
Fantastic listening to you two guys! Very entertaining and informative!! Bravo!!👏👏👏
Purely delightful together! Thanks for the shows. Guys
I needed more Gentry in my day. Jolly good!🍸
Toddle Pip!
"Cane, top hat, and monocle!' I just love you two chewin' the fat over watches. Could listen for hours. Best wishes from the U.K. guys.
Glad to see Concord on here getting some love. Have 7 watches from them that I love dearly. 2 Bumper Automatics from the 40's, one hand-wound from the 30's, a 14k all gold thin quartz with day pointer and date pointer, a black pvd/18k Mariner and a Steeplechase. All beautiful watches from all sorts of different eras. I love them.
My favorite duet.
This Always put a smile on my face. Thank you both. Cheers 🥂
Love it! Completely raw opinions going at it for a solid hour
TGV… I love when you have a mark on the channel… Two very different points of view, yet to people who know A lot about and both love watches and horology. Thanks for another great channel offering!
I love modern Longines. But can understand it was better before
Yet another great conversation to listen to, there is so much I learn every time watch these, keep it up guys.
Freaking loved this video! Thank you so much for this! So entertaining and educational!
Thank you TGV for the video! Great Discussion! Stay healthy and well! 👍🏻❤️👏🏻
New Video on my birthday and a new episode of watch talk at that!! Thanks TGV!!!
Time to get ready to settle in for the evening and watch this one! It's always a pleasure to see these so please keep them coming TGV.
You two are fun to watch. Nice conversation and great to see you both laugh. We all need a bit of that.
A top video! "When I was a lad" and "back in the day" I can so relate to this. Thank you for bringing back old memories in a fun and educational way. I'd like to think Longines are back on the way up recently (I've never owned one so far.....) but agree with you there was a dip.I also think Omega are in a renaissance with there movements and do not feel afraid to take the odd chance with new releases. The current Seamaster 300 M is a work of art in white in my insignificant humble opinion. The previous Seamaster 300 Chrono (valjoux 7753 movement heavily modified with column wheel and coaxial escapement) was for me the most functional chrono in a long time, simple things like all chrono hands are red with some lume if I recall correctly, simple but brilliant for a user. The replacement from an aesthetic looks are arguably more pleasing to the eye and has a brilliant in house 9900 movement but from a tool watch perspective has lost something. I guess these days the market wants form over function. Once again great video. Still great watches though, it would be great to see a UK watch with a UK movement with the Made in UK label with under the Smiths brand.
I really enjoyed the history and the old magazine ads. Interspersing big brands with lesser known ones also made this - perhaps, the most compelling episode in the collaboration. I would not have been surprised to see Bulova make the cut. Especially from Mark - a New Yorker.
Genius collab as always! Love you and Marc getting together! I’m wearing my 2016 Aqua Terra, poured myself a Glenlivet 18yr and I’m watching this for the next hour or so! The wife’s watching something on the tv, I’m very happy!!! Have a great Easter TGV!
An Omega Aqua Terra and some Glenlivet, pure class my friend.
I just poured myself something special too, chin chin.
Have a wonderful Easter too and thank you for the support!
Best regards,
TGV
I grew up on Timex and wore those exclusively for almost 40 years. It pains me to hear what you say about Timex, but you’re right. For the time being, we have to say their glory days are behind them. It’s be nice to see Timex earn themselves a name again.
Amazing collab guys and great topic!
For the Timex computer reference from Mark: The Timex-Sinclair PC came out about the same time as the IBM XT. It was like the Wild West back then.
My 2 FAVORITE gentleman, educated in this field! Love it. Make this a regular thing please.
Thank you Mike, we really appreciate that. You will be pleased to know this is a monthly episode, I think this is the 8th or 9th now, I forget! The next one will be very soon.
Best regards,
TGV
Can't wait to watch, TGV!!! Thanks much!
As a young teen I had a Timex and that indiglo blew me away lol. I actually miss that watch.
I had the Times Ironman with Indiglo. At night I’d turn it on under the sheets. 😂 Found one on eBay for $75 recently
@@PepeDeezNutz I used to do the same thing 😂
It is definitely nostalgia that sells a lot of Timex watches. They have been designing many beautiful watches in the last 5 years or so.
I just bought a super cool timex chronograph , quartz , classic styling and the shocker .... indigo. 35 bucks used 50 new . Pick one up , makes Seiko lume look pathetic
This is a great video...so many great points brought as well as great history on the brands...thank you
Kudos from Montreal on a rainy day. I’m subscribed to both of you and greatly appreciate the information and up to the day new models that come out.
Hi, I´m Peter from Germany. My watchmaker is Mr. Rafael Wojciechowski from Landau, are you related possibly ? Cheers
My 1st quality watch as a teenager circa 1984 was a Benrus diver(esque) watch bought at a Belks dept store. Loved that watch!
Great show guys!
My two favourite watch enthusiasts on one video! Thanks guys. Hope Russell returns the honour and interviews you next. Maybe even a regular collab? Anyway thanks both for a joyous wee video : )
My week isnt complete without one of your videos👏🏻 make more plehs! Great humor and great dudes chatting about everything. You need to team up more and take over watch world youtube😎
It pains me to say it but I feel like Breitling used to be better. Great video as always TGV.
I’ve recently added two Invicta Pro Divers to my collection. One is the all gold plated one with the black dial and the other one is the two tone blue dial version. Couldn’t be happier. No quality issues whatsoever, chapter ring lines up perfectly, date switches at midnight and they both run at 2 seconds fast. Couldn’t be happier. They look the part and if they’d get lost, stolen or robbed they’re cheap enough to replace which makes them the perfect holiday watch for sketchy countries! 🤪
Hugo needs to do a full length watch review
Marc needs to come out with a limited edition Hugo watch.
@@PepeDeezNutz shut up and take my money #hugo
Great show, guys. I appreciate how you give due respect even to brands you feel used to be better. A very gracious approach!
Great interview TGV. Marc shared a ton of fascinating knowledge. But about the first manufacturer of homages (44:10) I remember vividly that Sekonda pioneered the wholesale marketing of discount homages in the 1980's. At that time, my best buddy at school received an extremely impressive Datejust homage for his sixteenth birthday, in a bi-metal gold and stainless steel finish, beset with twelve sparkling synthetic diamonds for the hour markers. Back in 1988, this impressive-looking hunk of glam horology was virtually identical in size and weight to a genuine Rolli, but only retailed for about GBP£50. As far as we were concerned, was the absolute business and would have been perfect on the wrists of either Crockett or Tubbs. (After all, it's not as if their Ferrari Daytona was any more real!)
Marc using the word "scratch" !! I love it. A lawyer friend just the other day told me I still owed him some "bread". Scratch and bread are soooo old school and I love it. Great episode guys !!!!
When the "itch" is to acquire a new watch, --the SCRATCH is the bread (--or dough!) required to relieve the itch. There's always an origin and reason for these words, --if you "scratch" deeply enough ;-) Always a good conversation and time well-spent!
Urban Gentry - thanks for continuing to produce interesting and educational watch videos!
Thoroughly enjoyed the content and repartee between Marc and TGV. I try to catch all of these videos with the back and forth from these two fonts of knowledge. I also enjoy Marc “new words” in every video!
I agree on invicta changing around 2002. I purchased one in Florence in 2002 and was completely different. No wings symbol, had a coat of arms in the case back and the entire watch was completely written in French. Swiss Rhonda quartz chronograph movement. Right after that you see the winged logo miyota automatics. A complete design change.
I like the winged logo of Invicta. The winged Swiss cross, tells the story of the company...Invicta was born and raised in Switzerland . The brand faced what seemed like certain extinction, as a result of the quartz crisis. Fortunately the brand was rescued by an American investment company, and was re-launched under new management and a new business model. Hence the wings of the logo...
Like a phoenix, Invicta rose from the ashes to become the Invicta we all know as the Marmite watch brand we know today.
@@stationplaza4631 I hate to say it to you, but invicta is not a great brand. Yes, pre 2002-vintage 1940’s are decent quality, but after the brand purchase, they became oversized fashion watches, that completely screwed the watch marketplace with their astronomical fake msrp( due to selling via home shopping network on tv). Not my cup of tea🍻
Such fantastic video content - thank you both 🙏 Is so interesting to hear the history of watch companies, I loved this! Best wishes to you, what a pleasure to listen to you both share your knowledge and opinions⌚👑
Thanx TGV and Marc.... Great conversation! Have a good weekend...🥃🍷
Sorry to hear about Glycine. I kind of wanted to get one, maybe.
Also, even though it wasn't originally a deducated watchmaker, I think Shinola has really dropped the ball, if the many many bad reviews are right. They, the new owners, clearly were banking on the name and not quality.
Hi TGV
I think everyone is more innovative as youngsters - seems to go for many watch companies too. And in as far as the companies really are still fairly innovative (-like modern Omega) the problem seems to be connecting with the brands heritage. Greed is one of the things that can spoil it all. The fact that new generations are working in the companies is kind of natural. It’s more a matter of attitude. It’s complicated...
Agree on most of your standpoints. Luckily we can still dig in the past and buy amazing vintage pieces - often for a bargain price tag, if you know what you’re dealing with😊
Wonderful video from the two of you as usual. Happy Easter, and keep up the good work👍
Excellent point about youngster, so true. You hit the nail on the head too with "greed" spoiling it.
Have a happy Easter too, thank you my friend.
Best regards,
TGV
That’s my evening viewing sorted. Onwards and upwards to my favourite watch channel. Keep well TGV.
All the way through I'm thinking surely TGV wil pick Smiths. Quality watches up to when they moved from Cheltenham to Wales and focused on cheaper models. There was a lot of love for the business in Wales though and it gave employment to a depressed area. The factory was known locally as the tick tock and the watches there are marked as made in Great Britain whereas the Cheltenham ones are marked made in England.
great vibes and connection between this two friends , and a lot of watches knowledge
Articulated everything I hadn't been able to pinpoint about Omega. Well said across the board. The time spent on the positives of these brands prior to where they've gotten lost was great, too - a reminder that even if you aren't quite hitting a home run today, you could still get there again.
I can sympathize with what Marc says about Glycine but the simple fact remains: If their marketing (and price point) didn't change, I never would've been able to know the joy of owning and wearing one, and I love my Glycine.
Cool video as always, just ordered a Squale 1545 from you Marc 🙂🙂
These talks are the best from both channels.
Keep it up!
Hi guys! Always a great pleasure to see you chat in this relaxing environment and talking about so interesting contents! I't like to be at a PUB sitting at a table with you and talk about our beloved watches. I'm really wondering why, upon this quality of contents, there are still 10% of likes compared with the views!! For me it's a like, "a prescindere"!. Thank you for sharing!
What a pleasure to watch!!
Thanx!!
Concorde?!?!?! Well I never! Wish I flew Concorde !!! It reminds me I found out Commodore came out with an LED and digital watches!!! The C64 was my childhood!
Love the Smiths info! I owned an Everest and having a Miyota inside didn’t sit well with me!!!
I have an Astral watch that my grandads dad wore! Now try looking up Astral!!!!! You’ll find they were bought by Smiths but the history before??? I’m still digging!
Excellent show!
Thank you Russell, I wish flew in one too!!! I have been in one at the Duxford museum, but not the same thing.
OMG, I gotta check that Commodore watch. LOVE the Astral btw!
Best regards,
T.
Ps. I see you are back on the court playing tennis, so happy for you!
@@theurbangentry thank you T! You can’t beat that outdoor vitamin D!!;) all the best
What a wonderful film. First time watching you two guys together and you have a natural rapport. A fascinating subject too, and a conversation we've all had in our heads. Keep up the great work.
Aaahhhh that magazine cover killed me
Invicta, ah yes Invicta. I have one of their old models from the 60s and I'm wearing it right now. It's a manual wind and the dial reminds me of the pie pan. I also have a subbie knock off on the nightstand and it's not that bad, equal to most NH35 divers.
But everything else Invicta makes today that is not a Rolex homage, yeah those suck
I would love to see that 60s Invicta.
Thank you Alan, it seems you have the best of the old and new Invicta!
Best regards,
TGV
My parents gave me a Longines 5-Star Admiral in the 'seventies for graduation. Amazingly, it still worked as of 2019, but it would randomly stop. Saw some videos by Longine's about their restoration process so I contacted them. They said it'd cost me $65 to examine the watch. I sent them their money and my watch. They said it'd cost me about $700 to repair the watch. I paid this and sent them the watch. A few weeks later I received a package containing one of their lowest-end watches and no explanation. Called them and they said they'd "destroyed" my watch and couldn't/wouldn't send it back. When I complained the person on the phone chastised me for not reading the "fine print" in the repair agreement. So, for nearly $800 I was out a family heirloom and I got a watch that probably cost them less than $100. Will never buy another Longines.
What a bummer . That's terrible . Sorry man .
@@marktuyet Agree. Perhaps, this is a warning to find an independent watchmaker for such pieces?
Wow… this comment is very disturbing. My desire for a Longines watch (which has been very strong) just diminished to almost zero.. What a shame you had such a terrible experience. That’s one of the worst customer service stories I’ve ever heard.
i really enjoy these vids with you and mark , good work guys
Merch! Go Marc! Love the Penn Station flip! I remember Concord from back in the day. They were beautiful. I agree on Omega. I have 2 both before 1990 and they are gorgeous. Their new options are all enormous and clunky :( I still have my first watch, a Timex from 1972. Still works fine. John Cameron Swayze man, "takes a lickin and keeps on tickin"
Love both you guys. Much respect. Please keep making these videos because we love and appreciate them.
Declasse was a car manufacturer in the GTA universe. They frequently existed as "beater" cars, with apparent rust and paint wear, and questionable performance (like the beater Sabre in GTA IV. Awesome stuff!
Always brilliant when Marc and TGV get together! Great guys, great content 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Like these chats but just for reasons of accuracy : Montres Breguet was founded 1775, so before Gerard Perregaux ..... but it is so much fun watching and learning from you guys
Thank you Chistian :D
Best regards,
TGV
Yes! This is going to make slow day at work worth it! I’ve been dying for these videos, you and Mark keep up the great work and Thankyou for all you guys do!
I have a 50s hand wind beauty and a new Conquest quartz- love them both- but I do agree with you.
Timex- love them. Period.
Benrus- oh my oh my- first watch I remember owning is my grandfather’s wwii era. I have a pretty quartz w gilt hands that looks great on handmade suede nato- but is a watch I built from 2 broken ones and it’s worth the $5 I have in it- the crazy jump upmarket is maddening!!!
Great video!!! Thanks