Note: The output numbers are not as accurate in this video, and especially the cd/l numbers should just be looked at as comparative values and not considered precise. The integrating sphere that I built for output measurements kind of fell apart, and I am going to change my system besides, so don't put too much significance on the exact numbers here.
Considering i have the updated TS25, i guess it is. Low Aux mode is available and works great. Ramping can be a bit janky sometimes, but it's fun. Also, if you were allowed to keep it, please dedome your Wurkkos TS25, i just did and in my mind it changed the light for the better
The D4K looks absolutely stunning, would you mind telling me the exact configuration you have for it? I recently got a bit into this hobby and wanted to get a D4K. Also how's the runtime on it? Low, mid, high with the battery you're using? Great video, you definitely deserve more recognition!
It's 519a 5000K from Jackson Lee with 12A linear+FET driver, MAO finish, raised switch ring, cyan switch color. Runtimes are relatively poor, as this driver is not very efficient, and the floody nature of the beam requires higher output for most usage. Still, the 21700 has enough capacity for a couple nights of extended usage.
The TS21 gets too hot to hold very quickly. If you configure the temp settings for it not to, it steps way down in brightness very quickly, limiting its usefulness. I don't see how not being able to use turbo or the two brightness levels under it for more than a few seconds is acceptable to anyone.
Yes, I somewhat agree. If you watch my review of the TS21, you'll see I tested the output sustainability with different target temps, and found it to be okay - it's definitely not great in that regard, but the more intense beam means it's still pretty useful at lower levels than the floodier quads are (none of these lights impress in terms of sustained output)
The E4K is definitely an interesting light. Because there are a lot of 21700 quads, I wanted to just focus on lights that run Anduril and have the same LEDs (in this case, 519a)
I have a Sofirn IF25a, which fits perfectly in you comparison… and in my opinion a linear+FET is a waste of energy, which makes these lights just fancy toys instead of good tools. It heats up a lot, it takes the high lumens only for “seconds“ and the 21700 battery lasts less than my other more efficient 18650 light. For my usage, a D4V2 with a boost driver (or a zebra light) is much better than this D4K. Opinions, probably :)
I did want to add the IF25A into this video, but it would make things a lot more complicated and I wanted to stick with these because they are all nearly identical to each other, which was the main reason for this comparison. The boost driver is an excellent option, and I will be doing a comparison between the boost and linear drivers at some point. You can always get the boost driver in the D4K to have more runtime than the D4V2.
I have the boost driver on my D4V2. I get just over 2 hours on level 6. On the ts21 I get about 4 hours on level 6 but I find the emisar to be a much brighter light. I think the D4V2 is always brighter than my other lights. The only problem with it is that I tend to baby it and not take it to work. I am going to buy the D4K and the DW4 as my next lights.
@@darrensmith6782 I’m heading towards the emisar with boost driver myself. Can you tell me how dim is the lowest output level? Is it stable or does it have problems, as I’ve heard? I really need a stable
@@reveme I compared it to my baton 3 that is 0.5 lumen and it is at least twice as bright in lowest mode. I would guess between 1-5 lumens. Mine seems stable but I don’t have measuring equipment. I don’t get the runtimes like my olights but it is much brighter with a nicer beam. I can’t really compare it to a regular emisar because I don’t have one with the regular driver. I would say that it runs slightly cooler than my other Anduril lights.
Wurkkos for the win. I am tired of overpriced Flashlights, folding knives and all things related to 'bushcraft'. Wurkkos always gives you quality at a VERY fair price. Thank you for being one of the few YT hosts that doesn't push the most expensive lights (for free gear) . I can always count on you for honesty in your reviews. Blessings.
Just to be clear. Wurkkos / Sofirn as a company (with two brands) has long way ahead and a lot to learn. Some of their products are really good for a price, some are ok, but they have aslo mistakes like fc 13. That being said, I'm not a fan of overpriced lights either, and other companies have issues to. Armytek and Nitecore make great lights but their customer service is almost nonexistent, Olight 😳 🤣🤣🤣, Ledlenser has a great warranty and good customer service, at least here in Europe, but the quality of the products compared to the prices 😒 is almost ridiculous. What's even more frustrating is the fact that their engineers have good ideas, but almost every single time the execution is rather poor and when it's not cost at least 200€/$. 😶 I already wrote to much.
Have few Lumintops, Convoys and Armyteks, but also have 21700 li-ion laying around after I've sold my Fireflies. So I've been wondering - Wurkkos TS25 or Sofirn IF25a? AliExpress price is the same. TS25 looks better with its switch and aux leds.
You finally did it!! top tier content as always 👌🏻. Fireflies lights are the most beautiful enthusiasts lights in my opinion but they really need to fix their ordering issues.
I just purchased Emisar D4K and I have a problem with the step down from high mode. My light will stay in high mode about 15 seconds before it will start to dim down to almost moon mode. Is that normal? Thanks.
Back at it again with the great videos 👍 Also love the D4K in particular. Got one with 519A 5700k/4500k mix domes on and with boost driver. It's such a great light!
Great video. Just the comparo I've been looking for. I have the TS21 with SST20 4000K and am underwhelmed with it. I love the size and form factor, but the beam (tint and intensity) is so disappointing. A TS21 with 519a would be perfect. (I hate the design of the TS25)
Glad the video was helpful! Yes the 519a has a much better tint than SST20, and it seems the TS21 has a bit of a lottery going on. I wouldn't be surprised though if they release a 519a version in the future, that would be an awesome light.
Was not expecting that ending lol. I was pretty sure I was going to get the TS21 this morning, saw the TS25 and figured it was the better option cause high lumens and aux LEDs etc, but now I'm not sure anymore! What makes the TS21 better? Just the beam profile (more throw than flood)?
It's thinner and has a throwier beam profile, which both matter more to me personally. But the TS25 will probably be more popular, and for good reason...
Hi LuxWad thank you for the video. I just want to let you know that all my Fireflies flashlights (2 E07, E12C) have this weird ramping behaviour (if I were to make a guess it could either be the firmware or the FET driver).
Thanks for the info. I think it's the firmware implementation of the power-channel switching, but I don't know how the drivers are laid out. Fireflies uses their own variation of Anduril that's got some quirks it seems
I've debated for a while about getting the D4V2 as my first Anduril light, but have always decided against it due to the low sustained output and CD, I have a problem with a light like this where it has a lower sustained output than a Convoy S2+ 519A, really disappointing.
Yeah that is definitely a deal breaker for me as well, though in some contexts the floody beam is preferable. You can however get a D4V2/D4K with a throwier spot optic, W2 or XP-L HI LEDs, and a boost driver, for more pracrticality in a lot of scenarios. It's still not the most practical light though, for a first Anduril light I think the TS21 is a much better option.
@@LuxWad I usually tend to prefer a more floody beam, however I currently live in a city with a ton of light pollution and a cooler CCT and throwier beam is preferable, my current EDC is a Convoy S2+ 519A 5000K 18350 and it does alright, but there are lots of times when something ~6000K and more throw would be much more useable. I'm actually planing to build two new S2+, one with a W2 and another with Simon's new 17mm boost driver and XHP50.3 HI.
@@300ZCorradoVR6Z The S2+ is an awesome light! I love that there are so many possibilities to suit whatever you preferences may be, yet it's so simple and inexpensive.
@@LuxWad I need an 18650 light for work that has a magnetic tail, good cri, has a sustained output for 3 hrs in the 600 lumens area and has to be able to clip to my hat. Any suggestions? I am currently using the ts21 which I love but it’s a bit heavy for my hat and it’s sustained output is not the best. I changed the temp config but now it gets hot enough to light my head on fire. Lol.
FireflyLite sent me a PL09 Quad with soldering flux on two of the emitters. One of the domes had a big gouge melted into it. They also ignored my inquiries about shipping when they still hadn’t shipped after a month. Not impressed with FireflyLite at all. It’s the last company I want to order from again.
Unfortunately they have done a terrible job with customer service, and with the recent expansion they are even worse then before. I'm sorry you had that experience :( There are still a couple lights I want ot review but they are just a pain to order from
I love my PL09Q. i appreciate it for its all metal feel. i just lock the light so there's no button problem. D4K is nice because it's 12A with RGB switch option and i love that MAO on it.
The switch is really great on the Fireflies, I feel more confident carrying it in a pocket since it's more durable (and I always lock out Anduril lights too). I do enjoy the MAO and aux on the D4K as well!
Amazing video as usual, thanks for comparing these! As much of a Hanklight fan that I am, I think the PL09Q edges it out. The PL09Q also comes in a couple brass finishes, and has the optional 22430 battery setup. The only thing it lacks is the ability for a boost driver like the d4k, which is also very compelling, and is the version I went with. The Single color aux in orange or yellow is awesome, in the FireFlies, and that metal button is perfect and I've never had it accidentally activate. Great video sir!
Looking to get into one of these hot rods but intimidated by the powerful unprotected cells required. I do not know much about the cells and feet like I should have a better understanding of them before getting one of these lights. You have any resource recommendations?
I don't hacve any particular sources, but I do recommend looking around online, especially at Budgetlightforum.com for relevant threads such as this one: budgetlightforum.com/node/45314 It's really not complicated though - Don't short circuit your cells, don't overcharge/over discharge, don't charge when freezing, don't let them overheat, don't puncture the cell. That's basically it.
I hate that the PL09 Quad button light can't turn off except for by unscrewing, and I find that the button can be pushed in the pocket too easily (especially when compared to the raised bevel of the D4K). I haven't gotten a TS25 yet.
hello! newbie looking for THE LIGHT. need an all rounder for walking in the nature mainly. budget is ~60$. i want flood mainly with some throw. somewhere around 5000k with no green or yellow tint. so far i thinking about a Wrukkos TS25 with nichia 519a 5000k and maybe dedoming 1-2 leds to get slightly warmer tint and throw. the best led for me i think the 519a 5700k dedomed would be but i dont know which lights would fit for my pocket with these leds and 1000+ lumens. also considering a Convoy S21D 519a 5700k dedomed maybe with 8A CC 10degree FLAT optics but thats not chargeable which a big minus for me also im not sure about which optic should i get. i really like the tint of the famous nichia 219b 4500k but i afraid it would be too hot and not enough lumen. ENLIGHT ME PLEASE :)
Honestly at around $60 I think the TS25 is a great option, assuming you want Anduril. I do however think the S21D is a superior light in many ways, with a more efficient driver and better build quality. I don't recommend going for 219b over 519a as you will lose a lot of performance for basically the same color rendition.
Awesome comparison! Out of curiosity, would you be able to tell me what model number version check on either of your PL09s spits out? I'd like to update my PL09 mule but the firmware it's running is too old for version check. Thanks!
I'd love to review one, the Citadel is an awesome light, but I probably won't have time soon. You can try reaching out to Cheule here on RUclips, he is a modder and has experience with the Citadel so he can probably help or point you in the right direction.
Awesome review. Would love to see an 18350 thrower comparison with all the options recently on the market between Manker, Thrunite, Emisar, Sofirn, and Wurkkos.
Thanks for the suggestion, I haven't been looking at the 18350 throwers coming out lately. I may consider a video with them, probably not a full-blown comparison though.
I ordered a TI D4K 519a mule with warm white button and the raised ring is the rgb one with the slots all the way around. Not sure why he put the rgb ring with the warm white button.
The maximum regulated current is higher, the FET is the same in both lights. However it doesn't matter much in these smaller lights as they get too hot to really take advantage of the higher current
I wanted to get the TS21 but everyone says it ramps down very quickly and stays at 200 lumens which I think is very low. I like the more slim profile on it. Does the TS25 hold its lumens more or does the TS21?
The TS25 hold better but still not great, and because it's floodier they are about the same usefulness. However you can get more sustained output by increasing the thermal limit and calibrating the thermal limit a bit low to trick the light into sustaining more heat/output
Я мав купу тс21 і після них тс25 це просто казка. Дизайн цікавіший у тс21, але в іншому тс25 краще. Він яскравіше, в нього нижчий мунлайт, у нього немає лотереї з зеленими сст20.
цілком з Вами згоден: "купа 💩" - це точно про wurkkos... Пускати в серію сирі прототипи - це вже норма, але набочить навіть в другій ревізії і вкотре навалить купу на голови своїм покупцям болотними світлодіодами!.. Це вже не випадковість і навіть не тенденція - це системна жадібність і хронічна байдужість
hey bro, new sub here , u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active ! , do you own the wurkkos ts21 light ?, if yes would you consider trading it perhaps ?, i have stuff that i can / will trade for it , thanks + talk soon > tom !
I had TS25, loved the beam so much. Sadly the USB port was not as expected. It was off-centered and its opening on the head was too small for many cables I have. The head was also glued with body tube which negate the benefit of having access to flashing pads. I'm still looking for reviews of newer batches in hope that they will fix these issues, but unfortunately not so many reviews so far. And I wish they'll offer the 5700K option.
![I WANTED To Love These... [FireFlies P01 + P02]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kaf6HdGaajk/mqdefault.jpg)
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The output numbers are not as accurate in this video, and especially the cd/l numbers should just be looked at as comparative values and not considered precise. The integrating sphere that I built for output measurements kind of fell apart, and I am going to change my system besides, so don't put too much significance on the exact numbers here.
Considering i have the updated TS25, i guess it is. Low Aux mode is available and works great. Ramping can be a bit janky sometimes, but it's fun. Also, if you were allowed to keep it, please dedome your Wurkkos TS25, i just did and in my mind it changed the light for the better
Awesome thanks for the info
@@LuxWad before/after shot would be awesome
Love how you did the triple beamshot comparisons! Great work on this video.
Thanks, glad you liked it! I had to be careful with the beamshots in the edit because they all look nearly identical 😅
I just ordered the New updated TS25 from Wurkkos (from your link) for thirty five, free shipping to CA. Comes with free stuff too.
The D4K looks absolutely stunning, would you mind telling me the exact configuration you have for it? I recently got a bit into this hobby and wanted to get a D4K.
Also how's the runtime on it? Low, mid, high with the battery you're using?
Great video, you definitely deserve more recognition!
It's 519a 5000K from Jackson Lee with 12A linear+FET driver, MAO finish, raised switch ring, cyan switch color.
Runtimes are relatively poor, as this driver is not very efficient, and the floody nature of the beam requires higher output for most usage. Still, the 21700 has enough capacity for a couple nights of extended usage.
The TS21 gets too hot to hold very quickly. If you configure the temp settings for it not to, it steps way down in brightness very quickly, limiting its usefulness. I don't see how not being able to use turbo or the two brightness levels under it for more than a few seconds is acceptable to anyone.
Yes, I somewhat agree. If you watch my review of the TS21, you'll see I tested the output sustainability with different target temps, and found it to be okay - it's definitely not great in that regard, but the more intense beam means it's still pretty useful at lower levels than the floodier quads are (none of these lights impress in terms of sustained output)
I know this light is pricey but I would love to see the Nitecore E4K thrown into the comparison.
The E4K is definitely an interesting light. Because there are a lot of 21700 quads, I wanted to just focus on lights that run Anduril and have the same LEDs (in this case, 519a)
I have a Sofirn IF25a, which fits perfectly in you comparison… and in my opinion a linear+FET is a waste of energy, which makes these lights just fancy toys instead of good tools. It heats up a lot, it takes the high lumens only for “seconds“ and the 21700 battery lasts less than my other more efficient 18650 light.
For my usage, a D4V2 with a boost driver (or a zebra light) is much better than this D4K.
Opinions, probably :)
I did want to add the IF25A into this video, but it would make things a lot more complicated and I wanted to stick with these because they are all nearly identical to each other, which was the main reason for this comparison.
The boost driver is an excellent option, and I will be doing a comparison between the boost and linear drivers at some point. You can always get the boost driver in the D4K to have more runtime than the D4V2.
@@LuxWad looking forward to this comparison then! :)
I have the boost driver on my D4V2. I get just over 2 hours on level 6. On the ts21 I get about 4 hours on level 6 but I find the emisar to be a much brighter light. I think the D4V2 is always brighter than my other lights. The only problem with it is that I tend to baby it and not take it to work. I am going to buy the D4K and the DW4 as my next lights.
@@darrensmith6782 I’m heading towards the emisar with boost driver myself. Can you tell me how dim is the lowest output level? Is it stable or does it have problems, as I’ve heard? I really need a stable
@@reveme I compared it to my baton 3 that is 0.5 lumen and it is at least twice as bright in lowest mode. I would guess between 1-5 lumens. Mine seems stable but I don’t have measuring equipment. I don’t get the runtimes like my olights but it is much brighter with a nicer beam. I can’t really compare it to a regular emisar because I don’t have one with the regular driver. I would say that it runs slightly cooler than my other Anduril lights.
Wurkkos for the win. I am tired of overpriced Flashlights, folding knives and all things related to 'bushcraft'. Wurkkos always gives you quality at a VERY fair price. Thank you for being one of the few YT hosts that doesn't push the most expensive lights (for free gear) . I can always count on you for honesty in your reviews. Blessings.
Seems the review cleaned out the Wurkkos inventory ....
@@notfound379 hmm still available without battery as far as i can see. Grab some p45b cells while you are at it
"Survival" "bushcraft" so annoying
Just to be clear. Wurkkos / Sofirn as a company (with two brands) has long way ahead and a lot to learn. Some of their products are really good for a price, some are ok, but they have aslo mistakes like fc 13. That being said, I'm not a fan of overpriced lights either, and other companies have issues to. Armytek and Nitecore make great lights but their customer service is almost nonexistent, Olight 😳 🤣🤣🤣, Ledlenser has a great warranty and good customer service, at least here in Europe, but the quality of the products compared to the prices 😒 is almost ridiculous. What's even more frustrating is the fact that their engineers have good ideas, but almost every single time the execution is rather poor and when it's not cost at least 200€/$.
😶 I already wrote to much.
Have few Lumintops, Convoys and Armyteks, but also have 21700 li-ion laying around after I've sold my Fireflies. So I've been wondering - Wurkkos TS25 or Sofirn IF25a? AliExpress price is the same. TS25 looks better with its switch and aux leds.
Man, I wish the 18650 and 21700 tubes were interchangable in hanklights... I would love to put a 21700 battery in the DT8
You finally did it!! top tier content as always 👌🏻. Fireflies lights are the most beautiful enthusiasts lights in my opinion but they really need to fix their ordering issues.
I hope your sub count goes up high, the quality of the production is great and the content is fully comprehensive. Fantastic work!
I just purchased Emisar D4K and I have a problem with the step down from high mode. My light will stay in high mode about 15 seconds before it will start to dim down to almost moon mode. Is that normal? Thanks.
Back at it again with the great videos 👍
Also love the D4K in particular. Got one with 519A 5700k/4500k mix domes on and with boost driver. It's such a great light!
The boost version is pretty awesome, that mix sounds really fun!
@@LuxWad it's a gorgeous rosy ~5100! I'll tag you in my NLD post on Reddit.
Dude that’s so funny, I was just checking your channel for this video! 😂
Great video. Just the comparo I've been looking for.
I have the TS21 with SST20 4000K and am underwhelmed with it. I love the size and form factor, but the beam (tint and intensity) is so disappointing. A TS21 with 519a would be perfect. (I hate the design of the TS25)
Glad the video was helpful!
Yes the 519a has a much better tint than SST20, and it seems the TS21 has a bit of a lottery going on. I wouldn't be surprised though if they release a 519a version in the future, that would be an awesome light.
Hanks mao is for sure not durable. Feels great though and not the end of the world. Embrace the scratches.
Lol I like a bit of wear on my flashlights anyways
Jackson Lee + LuxWad. The duo we can always use more of.
Great comparison video! I have a D4K modded by Vinh Nguyen (Skylumen) with a NB90 mule. About 9,000 lumen at turn-on.
That sounds like an insane light! Vinh has some pretty cool Emisar mods, I remember a XHP50 mule he sold that was like 12k lumens
Was not expecting that ending lol. I was pretty sure I was going to get the TS21 this morning, saw the TS25 and figured it was the better option cause high lumens and aux LEDs etc, but now I'm not sure anymore! What makes the TS21 better? Just the beam profile (more throw than flood)?
It's thinner and has a throwier beam profile, which both matter more to me personally. But the TS25 will probably be more popular, and for good reason...
@@LuxWad could you compare them after dedoming the ts25?
Hi LuxWad thank you for the video. I just want to let you know that all my Fireflies flashlights (2 E07, E12C) have this weird ramping behaviour (if I were to make a guess it could either be the firmware or the FET driver).
Thanks for the info. I think it's the firmware implementation of the power-channel switching, but I don't know how the drivers are laid out. Fireflies uses their own variation of Anduril that's got some quirks it seems
I've debated for a while about getting the D4V2 as my first Anduril light, but have always decided against it due to the low sustained output and CD, I have a problem with a light like this where it has a lower sustained output than a Convoy S2+ 519A, really disappointing.
Yeah that is definitely a deal breaker for me as well, though in some contexts the floody beam is preferable.
You can however get a D4V2/D4K with a throwier spot optic, W2 or XP-L HI LEDs, and a boost driver, for more pracrticality in a lot of scenarios. It's still not the most practical light though, for a first Anduril light I think the TS21 is a much better option.
@@LuxWad I usually tend to prefer a more floody beam, however I currently live in a city with a ton of light pollution and a cooler CCT and throwier beam is preferable, my current EDC is a Convoy S2+ 519A 5000K 18350 and it does alright, but there are lots of times when something ~6000K and more throw would be much more useable.
I'm actually planing to build two new S2+, one with a W2 and another with Simon's new 17mm boost driver and XHP50.3 HI.
@@300ZCorradoVR6Z The S2+ is an awesome light! I love that there are so many possibilities to suit whatever you preferences may be, yet it's so simple and inexpensive.
@@LuxWad I need an 18650 light for work that has a magnetic tail, good cri, has a sustained output for 3 hrs in the 600 lumens area and has to be able to clip to my hat. Any suggestions? I am currently using the ts21 which I love but it’s a bit heavy for my hat and it’s sustained output is not the best. I changed the temp config but now it gets hot enough to light my head on fire. Lol.
FireflyLite sent me a PL09 Quad with soldering flux on two of the emitters. One of the domes had a big gouge melted into it. They also ignored my inquiries about shipping when they still hadn’t shipped after a month. Not impressed with FireflyLite at all. It’s the last company I want to order from again.
Unfortunately they have done a terrible job with customer service, and with the recent expansion they are even worse then before. I'm sorry you had that experience :(
There are still a couple lights I want ot review but they are just a pain to order from
Thanks man! This review was great, I might have to pick up a D4K!
These are the best flashlight reviews and probably just the best review videos on the internet.
That's high praise, I appreciate it!
Need the d4k BOOST performance graphs
I am planning to do a comparison between linear and boost drivers with the KR4
@@LuxWad plz
@@LuxWadplease!
@@_Chef_Jeff_ @Se D
Lol I've ordered the lights so it's just a matter of time
@@LuxWad we dont deserve you
Picking a few of those fun options the D4K has available quickly gets you to the price of 2 wurkkos'
Yeah the Wurkkos is a great value for sure
I love my PL09Q. i appreciate it for its all metal feel. i just lock the light so there's no button problem. D4K is nice because it's 12A with RGB switch option and i love that MAO on it.
The switch is really great on the Fireflies, I feel more confident carrying it in a pocket since it's more durable (and I always lock out Anduril lights too). I do enjoy the MAO and aux on the D4K as well!
Amazing video as usual, thanks for comparing these! As much of a Hanklight fan that I am, I think the PL09Q edges it out. The PL09Q also comes in a couple brass finishes, and has the optional 22430 battery setup. The only thing it lacks is the ability for a boost driver like the d4k, which is also very compelling, and is the version I went with. The Single color aux in orange or yellow is awesome, in the FireFlies, and that metal button is perfect and I've never had it accidentally activate. Great video sir!
Looking to get into one of these hot rods but intimidated by the powerful unprotected cells required. I do not know much about the cells and feet like I should have a better understanding of them before getting one of these lights. You have any resource recommendations?
I don't hacve any particular sources, but I do recommend looking around online, especially at Budgetlightforum.com for relevant threads such as this one: budgetlightforum.com/node/45314
It's really not complicated though - Don't short circuit your cells, don't overcharge/over discharge, don't charge when freezing, don't let them overheat, don't puncture the cell. That's basically it.
@@LuxWad thank you
I know what I’m picking up in my next wurkkos order! Thank for the awesome review!
I hate that the PL09 Quad button light can't turn off except for by unscrewing, and I find that the button can be pushed in the pocket too easily (especially when compared to the raised bevel of the D4K). I haven't gotten a TS25 yet.
Yeah I should have covered that in the video, the PL09 button is a bit strange, I wish it could be fully deactivated as well.
Thank you
Another crazy good video as always
hello! newbie looking for THE LIGHT. need an all rounder for walking in the nature mainly. budget is ~60$. i want flood mainly with some throw. somewhere around 5000k with no green or yellow tint. so far i thinking about a Wrukkos TS25 with nichia 519a 5000k and maybe dedoming 1-2 leds to get slightly warmer tint and throw. the best led for me i think the 519a 5700k dedomed would be but i dont know which lights would fit for my pocket with these leds and 1000+ lumens. also considering a Convoy S21D 519a 5700k dedomed maybe with 8A CC 10degree FLAT optics but thats not chargeable which a big minus for me also im not sure about which optic should i get. i really like the tint of the famous nichia 219b 4500k but i afraid it would be too hot and not enough lumen. ENLIGHT ME PLEASE :)
Honestly at around $60 I think the TS25 is a great option, assuming you want Anduril. I do however think the S21D is a superior light in many ways, with a more efficient driver and better build quality. I don't recommend going for 219b over 519a as you will lose a lot of performance for basically the same color rendition.
Awesome comparison!
Out of curiosity, would you be able to tell me what model number version check on either of your PL09s spits out? I'd like to update my PL09 mule but the firmware it's running is too old for version check. Thanks!
My PL09 Quad is running build 2022-07-04 [0461]
PL09 Mule is build 2022-07-04 [0451]
Neither build is listed on ToyKeeper's site strangely enough
Do you mod? I have a reaver citadal that I want modded. Can send in for review if you want to help. I'd like 3 color aux. Like Teal, yellow, purple.
I'd love to review one, the Citadel is an awesome light, but I probably won't have time soon. You can try reaching out to Cheule here on RUclips, he is a modder and has experience with the Citadel so he can probably help or point you in the right direction.
Awesome review. Would love to see an 18350 thrower comparison with all the options recently on the market between Manker, Thrunite, Emisar, Sofirn, and Wurkkos.
Thanks for the suggestion, I haven't been looking at the 18350 throwers coming out lately. I may consider a video with them, probably not a full-blown comparison though.
I ordered a TI D4K 519a mule with warm white button and the raised ring is the rgb one with the slots all the way around. Not sure why he put the rgb ring with the warm white button.
The Ti model is using the screw-down retaining ring instead of the press-fit ring from older lights. It's also used on the DW4 and D1V2
Wonder if the frosted optic for the D4 would work with the TS25
It wouldn't fit, the TS25 uses a wider optic than the D4
What's the difference between a 8a and a 12a fet driver? The fet has more power?
The maximum regulated current is higher, the FET is the same in both lights. However it doesn't matter much in these smaller lights as they get too hot to really take advantage of the higher current
Whats the meaning of luxWad?
A wad of light
I wanted to get the TS21 but everyone says it ramps down very quickly and stays at 200 lumens which I think is very low. I like the more slim profile on it. Does the TS25 hold its lumens more or does the TS21?
The TS25 hold better but still not great, and because it's floodier they are about the same usefulness.
However you can get more sustained output by increasing the thermal limit and calibrating the thermal limit a bit low to trick the light into sustaining more heat/output
@@LuxWad sounds like I’m ordering the TS21 then finding videos on how to work Andruil 2. Seems complicated but doable.
@@LuxWad is the head smaller on the ts21 then the ts25?
Yes
Я мав купу тс21 і після них тс25 це просто казка. Дизайн цікавіший у тс21, але в іншому тс25 краще. Він яскравіше, в нього нижчий мунлайт, у нього немає лотереї з зеленими сст20.
цілком з Вами згоден: "купа 💩" - це точно про wurkkos...
Пускати в серію сирі прототипи - це вже норма, але набочить навіть в другій ревізії і вкотре навалить купу на голови своїм покупцям болотними світлодіодами!.. Це вже не випадковість і навіть не тенденція - це системна жадібність і хронічна байдужість
hey bro, new sub here , u.s. marine vet here 93' to 97' active ! , do you own the wurkkos ts21 light ?, if yes would you consider trading it perhaps ?, i have stuff that i can / will trade for it , thanks + talk soon > tom !
I had TS25, loved the beam so much. Sadly the USB port was not as expected. It was off-centered and its opening on the head was too small for many cables I have. The head was also glued with body tube which negate the benefit of having access to flashing pads. I'm still looking for reviews of newer batches in hope that they will fix these issues, but unfortunately not so many reviews so far. And I wish they'll offer the 5700K option.
Thanks for the insights. I hadn't heard of any of those issues before, I hope that isn't the case for too many lights they shipped out