The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not necessary every time you receive Communion if you are a frequent Communicant unless you have put yourself outside of the church. It is not "part A" of Communion. Of course, ROCOR has a different view.
@kathleencarlsen6904 Different parishes have different practices regarding strictness, and that is also true within ROCOR. Generally what I've seen in ROCOR and OCA parishes at least is a minimum requirement of a Confession within the last month.
@@andrewdamerau2742 Agreed. In the appendix to Great Lent, however, Fr. Alexander Schmemman explains the history of the sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation. I speak with my priest very often, which I recommend. The need for sacramental confession, however, is meant to bring us back into the church when we have put ourselves out of the church. I've seen ppl who are weekly communicants spend 45 minutes at confession, every week, and Confession is seemingly treated as a therapy session rather than reconciling one to the Church.
@kathleencarlsen6904 I can definitely sympathize with there being a slight danger of being overly anxious - you can never make yourself worthy, but I don't think going to confession weekly is wrong, either. It's even good, but usually unnecessary due to practical reasons. 45 minutes per confession per week is crazy though lmao, and I 100% agree that people need to state their sins at confession - without reciting a novel or expecting therapy. That is moreover both merciful to the people in line and the priest, and is a better treatment of the Mystery of Repentance. But it's up to the priest in the end to tell that person to get to the point and come to office hours for the questions.
I'm glad I still had my hangups with the lutheran church. We had closed communion but something never felt right the entire time I was attending. I began to learn about Orthodoxy and my heart just opened up, a lot of the things that came to mind seemed to fit perfectly like a puzzle as I learned more about the original Church. Although I may be an acquirer and possibly for a very, very ong time as my parish is far away and i'm not a long distance driver, I feel like my soul has taken a bath each time I have attended service. Everyone i've met is like a warm blanket on a cold frosty morning.
I am currently attending a Lutheran church, and I too feel called to the Orthodox Church. What are some of the hangups you had if you don’t mind me asking? I know there’s a wide variety of Lutheran churches but mine partakes in Divine Liturgy and such so I’m just curious to see what some of the major differences are that you have encountered and had a problem with.
@@keko7198 i felt like I was faking my faith, like I had to trick myself. I felt no different from my atheist days, my heart was as rotten after baptism as the days I joyfully blasphemed Christ. Now my heart melts like butter at the doors of the parish I attend, I find my mind and heart changing on so many levels that I can no longer recognize the old man as myself. O' I have a long, long way to go, so far that i'll be old and grey by the time I hit the place a mere orthodox child is at.
@@godrilla5549 God bless you, and may you continue to walk with Christ in strong and true faith. I feel the same as you, and this is not unheard of. Remember the words of Saint Paul... he was one of the worst sinners amongst the Apostles, yet he was turned a saint! There is hope for us all.
@@Georgian1717 1. Many Easter orthodox churches that still exist today were founded before Rome was 2. The Catholic Church is the one that broke away. We know this because the Catholic Church is the one that decided to make changes as to how the church should be governed and its beliefs. The filioque is a perfect example of this for a thousand years the church all believed one thing and then the Roman Catholic Church decided to change doctrine
I remember the diaries of St. Gemma Galgani, how heartbroken she was when she was denied the Holy Communion! But then they allowed her to get it when she was nine years old.
Something that has confused me and seems conflicting, is that heterodox can't take communion, but their outside baptism is valid and they only require chrismation. I know Fr Heers says thats wrong, but it does seem to be common accepted practice.
Their “baptism” is valid in so far as it is trinitarian and in the correct form. Validity does not equate to grace. Baptism unites to the Church, therefore there is no baptism outside the Church
This makes perfect sense, as ever, I hear pure truth. Increasingly sure that I will be making no mistake if I dive into becoming Orthodox. Sacrament is not a matter of social settings.
No, only baptized Orthodox Christians may receive the Eucharist. The Orthodox Church understands baptism as "joining an army": you are baptized, you join the Heavenly army! 🕯🕯🕯
There is a certain community of faith for Christians. Roman Catholics and Orthodox believers in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Catholics believe that all sacraments are valid in Orthodoxy. Some Orthodox churches recognize Catholic sacraments. I am a Pole who often travels to Greece, where there are no Latin churches. So why are Catholics denied participation in the Eucharist? Because they are not Orthodox? After all, there is a community of faith on this issue. Of course, it can be said that the Western Church recognizes a number of dogmas that the Eastern Churches reject (I ignore whether they are right or wrong), but there is still a Eucharistic community from which both Churches arose. It's not that if we disagree on one thing, we are different on everything. If we thought this way, Catholic baptism should also be considered invalid. And yet you call Catholics (also Protestants) Christians. You acknowledge this baptism. At the same time, you say that baptism is only possible in the Church, but you call Orthodoxy the only Church. This is a contradiction. In such exceptional cases, Roman Catholics allow traveling Orthodox Christians to receive Holy Communion. This sometimes happens in Poland. I know, receiving Holy Communion from Catholics is prohibited by Orthodoxy. However, they come when there is no Orthodox church nearby. This is especially visible since the war in Ukraine - many Orthodox Ukrainians came to Poland (over a million have lived in Poland). Warm regards
The Orthodox Church unilaterally rejects non Orthodox Sacraments. You cannot make general and incorrect statements. We have canons and councils that teach us that only the Church has the Sacraments, and those in communion with the Church share in the recognition of the Grace filled mysteries. The very reason Orthodox Christian churches are not in communion with non Orthodox, is because we do not recognize your sacraments as having grace, or having the True Faith and Worship.
@@mariorizkallah5383 The simple consequence of your position is that every non-Orthodox person is not a Christian. Only someone who belongs to the Orthodox Church can be a Christian. You have canons and councils (they are common until the Great Schism), but it is worth reading the Bible carefully. I understand that Kirill, who blesses soldiers murdering Ukrainians, is a Christian, but a Roman Catholic on a mission in the Congo who gives his life for Christ is not a Christian. Absurd.
What do you mean by “Christian”? The Latin congregation sacraments do not have grace because they chose to separate from the Church in 1054. Protestants do not have sacraments as we understand them. Orthodox Christians don’t really use the term “Christian” like many in the West use it. There’s a lot of literature about it. Seeing your nasty comment about the Patriarch of Moscow and the Russian people, I doubt you want to actually learn about what you’re trying to talk about
@@jacoblloyd-o8d Orthodoxy is very close to me. I think that the Roman Catholic Church in Poland is closer to Orthodoxy than to the Roman Catholic Church in Western Europe. However, there is no doubt in my mind that being "christianos" (χριστιανός) - as Christ's disciples are called in the Acts of the Apostles - belonging to Christ, to His Mystical Body - the Church, does not depend on nominal membership in one or another community. It depends on union with Christ, for which the sacraments are helpful. Yes, in my opinion Cyril is not "christianos". He puts himself outside the Church. His teaching is contrary to the teaching of Christ. The fact that he is a bishop does not protect him. He is not infallible for this reason. (Orthodox Christians often have a very negative attitude towards the dogma of papal infallibility, they themselves use a similar approach towards their patriarchs. You talk about them as if they were infallible. By the way - Orthodox Christians do not understand this dogma in the Roman Church at all. They think that it is for Catholics everything the Pope says is infallible, but it is nonsense. The Pope is the exponent of the apostolic faith of the Church - as in the Acts of the Apostles, when Peter speaks to the people. I would even venture to say that this infallibility is impossible in a divided Church. Today we can speak of a universal one the primacy of the Pope - Bishop Kallistos Ware, a British Orthodox bishop, spoke very well about it - you can find his lectures on this topic on the Internet. Orthodox people ignore the role of Peter in the Church, do not notice fragments on this subject in the Bible, forget about the Tradition and history of the early Church. ). I made no comment about the Russian people, but about mercenaries and bandits who go to the front, prisoners whose sentence is spared and are conscripted into the army. The Russian nation is intimidated, there is no freedom. I feel sorry for the Russian people.
I still get to stand in line and ask "Father, Bless", and he will Bless me by making the sign of the Cross on my head, and the altar boy gives us "Antidoron" (instead of the sacrament).
Is your priest explicitly refusing to baptize/chrismate you because of his feminist/scientism beliefs? I’m not sure how those ideologies would conflict with being received into the church.
You’ll be to be baptized and Christmated to become an official member of the church. If your priest is refusing to do this then I suggest asking him why, you could also contact the Bishop since the priest must submit to his authority.
@@jacoblloyd-o8d why are you pretending to be clueless and naive? False humility spotted, intellectual vanity in is our midst! Let me entertain you. is a man's actions not predicated upon his beliefs?
@@jacoblloyd-o8d is a man's actions not predicated upon his beliefs? Also, are you seriously unsure why a covidist priest in left leaning new england has made a catechumen wait over three years? one that has access to other priests who tell me not to get jabbed. I do not argue with my priest and I have never brought any of this up with him, but he knows where I stand in other ways. It is the congregation as well. They let me know things, and I just listen. They do not know that I have not had the medical procedure. One Sunday they brought in a feminst speaker who ranted for an hour about gender inequality in the ancient church. My jaw dropped. Do you understand?
We have come Full Circle. This reveals we have an End, if we had no End, there would be No Revelations. The Gentiles now Worship as the Jews did at the Temple. Rituals, Rules, Laws, Traditions, Fancy Dress and Grand Titles, the Worship of Structure, and Not its Roots. Thus when the Root of their Religions turns up in the flesh, their Religion Cannot Recognise Him. And When Christ Returns, they shall be Terrified
I am curious to hear what, if anything, Bishop Irenei has said or has to say about Ireland - The modern Irish polity, the Easter Uprising, the 800 years of hostility and oppression by England, etc. Ethnicity matters even if it's not the most important thing. If you adopt a transcendental-nihilist position and say it matters less because theology matters more, you'll be stripping away your own foundations and undermining your effort to reach up towards Jesus Christ.
@@mingus445_gaming Theology in the Orthodox East is understood differently than the scholastic, intellectually-based theology of the West. In the East, theology is the expression of the revelation of God. Revelation understood through the experience of, and communion with God, within the context of the Church.
@@1970Akritas I agree entirely. Unfortunately, there's this new sort-of movement of young men that learn as much Christian history as possible, thinking that this impart of knowledge somehow makes them better Christians. It does not, because if you need an exact history of the events of all of Christianity to justify your faith, then you have no faith at all.
Those of us who are English Catholics ( those Anglos who practice the English expression of the Catholic faith) are not in Communion with the Orthodox because of their separatist unbiblical distain for unity, even i non-essentials. We want unity but they don't. Plus, the Orthodox have done such a terrible job of evangelism to Orthodoxy, that there is no choice for those who might seek the East, but there is no parish within 100 miles.
there are 6+ parishs within 100 miles of me, I am not quite sure where you live. Orthodoxy's greatest evangelic aid is the lives that the Orthodox live, and that the faith may live through them to the point where those who are witness to them see its effect.
“Separatist disdain for unity” such as the anglican church having a different understanding of the sacraments, the Trinity, the nature of man’s relation to Scripture and Tradition, accepting women into the priesthood and bishopric, and being “inclusive” of the rainbow brigade (including being officially blessed by their congregation)? These seem like VERY big things to disagree on. Saying that these are a “disdain for unity” instead of key theological issues is disingenuous and blatantly false when you begin to understand church history (IE the disagreement on the insertion of the Filioque fundamentally changes how the Trinity is understood, and it is the primary reason the latins separated in 1054). Why would the Orthodox want to accept people into the Church who don’t understand its beliefs? The Church is not (and was never) a unifying political force that’s trying to create a one-world government.
@@jacoblloyd-o8d yap yap yap. None of this will help you before Christ. Make more important decisions and ignore less important legalistic matters of hierarchical institutions.
No disrespect is meant, but, Lord's Bride ought to remain "holy and without blemish" (Eph 5,27) and thus any union with Heterodox groups is impossible.
If you take communion and haven't confessed it can be to your detriment.
The Sacrament of Reconciliation is not necessary every time you receive Communion if you are a frequent Communicant unless you have put yourself outside of the church. It is not "part A" of Communion. Of course, ROCOR has a different view.
@kathleencarlsen6904 Different parishes have different practices regarding strictness, and that is also true within ROCOR. Generally what I've seen in ROCOR and OCA parishes at least is a minimum requirement of a Confession within the last month.
@@andrewdamerau2742 Agreed. In the appendix to Great Lent, however, Fr. Alexander Schmemman explains the history of the sacrament of Confession/Reconciliation. I speak with my priest very often, which I recommend. The need for sacramental confession, however, is meant to bring us back into the church when we have put ourselves out of the church. I've seen ppl who are weekly communicants spend 45 minutes at confession, every week, and Confession is seemingly treated as a therapy session rather than reconciling one to the Church.
@kathleencarlsen6904 I can definitely sympathize with there being a slight danger of being overly anxious - you can never make yourself worthy, but I don't think going to confession weekly is wrong, either. It's even good, but usually unnecessary due to practical reasons. 45 minutes per confession per week is crazy though lmao, and I 100% agree that people need to state their sins at confession - without reciting a novel or expecting therapy. That is moreover both merciful to the people in line and the priest, and is a better treatment of the Mystery of Repentance. But it's up to the priest in the end to tell that person to get to the point and come to office hours for the questions.
@kathleencarlsen6904 Also to your earlier point of Confession not being "part A" or Communion, I 100% agree.
May I suggest that Vladyka wear a mic close to his collar to improve audio quality? Thank you otherwise for these blessed talks!
@@minasoliman Vladyka Is Slav name for ( archi)bishop or Metropolit. Salute from Belgrade, Serbia.
@@miroslavakostic how do you suggest I address His Grace Bishop Irenei?
@@minasoliman His Eminense.
@@miroslavakostic thank you! Will do :)
@@minasoliman You Are welcome. Best wishes from Belgrade, Serbia.
I understand this and try my best to stay back when the bread and wine is given within the orthodox temple, for I very much still am an outsider. 🙏🏻
'Try my best" -- what does that mean? You either take Holy Communion... or you don't. Which is it?
@@charles_prestonI suppose they mean just try their best to stay out of the way of communicants?
I understand it and agree 100% we must be Clean to receive Christ
I'm glad I still had my hangups with the lutheran church. We had closed communion but something never felt right the entire time I was attending. I began to learn about Orthodoxy and my heart just opened up, a lot of the things that came to mind seemed to fit perfectly like a puzzle as I learned more about the original Church. Although I may be an acquirer and possibly for a very, very ong time as my parish is far away and i'm not a long distance driver, I feel like my soul has taken a bath each time I have attended service. Everyone i've met is like a warm blanket on a cold frosty morning.
I am currently attending a Lutheran church, and I too feel called to the Orthodox Church. What are some of the hangups you had if you don’t mind me asking? I know there’s a wide variety of Lutheran churches but mine partakes in Divine Liturgy and such so I’m just curious to see what some of the major differences are that you have encountered and had a problem with.
@@keko7198 i felt like I was faking my faith, like I had to trick myself. I felt no different from my atheist days, my heart was as rotten after baptism as the days I joyfully blasphemed Christ. Now my heart melts like butter at the doors of the parish I attend, I find my mind and heart changing on so many levels that I can no longer recognize the old man as myself. O' I have a long, long way to go, so far that i'll be old and grey by the time I hit the place a mere orthodox child is at.
@@godrilla5549
God bless you, and may you continue to walk with Christ in strong and true faith. I feel the same as you, and this is not unheard of. Remember the words of Saint Paul... he was one of the worst sinners amongst the Apostles, yet he was turned a saint! There is hope for us all.
It is not the original church. It was part of the original church but broke off with the Catholic church. Do research that is authorized in history.
@@Georgian1717 1. Many Easter orthodox churches that still exist today were founded before Rome was 2. The Catholic Church is the one that broke away. We know this because the Catholic Church is the one that decided to make changes as to how the church should be governed and its beliefs. The filioque is a perfect example of this for a thousand years the church all believed one thing and then the Roman Catholic Church decided to change doctrine
I remember the diaries of St. Gemma Galgani, how heartbroken she was when she was denied the Holy Communion! But then they allowed her to get it when she was nine years old.
Thank you Vladika. Very helpful.
Something that has confused me and seems conflicting, is that heterodox can't take communion, but their outside baptism is valid and they only require chrismation. I know Fr Heers says thats wrong, but it does seem to be common accepted practice.
Their “baptism” is valid in so far as it is trinitarian and in the correct form. Validity does not equate to grace. Baptism unites to the Church, therefore there is no baptism outside the Church
@@mariorizkallah5383So heterodox holy communion is valid but lacks grace?
@@ConnachtRiderno there is no communion outside the Church. No Church Father in the first millennium held that view.
This is an oversimplification.
@@mariorizkallah5383 so then there is no baptism outside the church too right?
This makes perfect sense, as ever, I hear pure truth. Increasingly sure that I will be making no mistake if I dive into becoming Orthodox. Sacrament is not a matter of social settings.
Such a nice voice to listen to.
❤️☦️🇺🇸
Amen.
Can unbaptized children receive communion?
No, only baptized Orthodox Christians may receive the Eucharist. The Orthodox Church understands baptism as "joining an army": you are baptized, you join the Heavenly army! 🕯🕯🕯
❤❤❤ thank you. i've been admiring his grace's calendar for a while now; does anyone know anything about it?
Google byzantine calendar.
thank you, i'll try that.
PNP, I love your content, but this new zoom in and out thing is killing my eyes on a screen! Can we just pick a spot and stick to it, please?
There is a certain community of faith for Christians. Roman Catholics and Orthodox believers in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. Catholics believe that all sacraments are valid in Orthodoxy. Some Orthodox churches recognize Catholic sacraments. I am a Pole who often travels to Greece, where there are no Latin churches. So why are Catholics denied participation in the Eucharist? Because they are not Orthodox? After all, there is a community of faith on this issue. Of course, it can be said that the Western Church recognizes a number of dogmas that the Eastern Churches reject (I ignore whether they are right or wrong), but there is still a Eucharistic community from which both Churches arose. It's not that if we disagree on one thing, we are different on everything.
If we thought this way, Catholic baptism should also be considered invalid. And yet you call Catholics (also Protestants) Christians. You acknowledge this baptism. At the same time, you say that baptism is only possible in the Church, but you call Orthodoxy the only Church. This is a contradiction.
In such exceptional cases, Roman Catholics allow traveling Orthodox Christians to receive Holy Communion. This sometimes happens in Poland. I know, receiving Holy Communion from Catholics is prohibited by Orthodoxy. However, they come when there is no Orthodox church nearby. This is especially visible since the war in Ukraine - many Orthodox Ukrainians came to Poland (over a million have lived in Poland).
Warm regards
The Orthodox Church unilaterally rejects non Orthodox Sacraments. You cannot make general and incorrect statements. We have canons and councils that teach us that only the Church has the Sacraments, and those in communion with the Church share in the recognition of the Grace filled mysteries. The very reason Orthodox Christian churches are not in communion with non Orthodox, is because we do not recognize your sacraments as having grace, or having the True Faith and Worship.
@@mariorizkallah5383 The simple consequence of your position is that every non-Orthodox person is not a Christian. Only someone who belongs to the Orthodox Church can be a Christian. You have canons and councils (they are common until the Great Schism), but it is worth reading the Bible carefully. I understand that Kirill, who blesses soldiers murdering Ukrainians, is a Christian, but a Roman Catholic on a mission in the Congo who gives his life for Christ is not a Christian. Absurd.
What do you mean by “Christian”? The Latin congregation sacraments do not have grace because they chose to separate from the Church in 1054. Protestants do not have sacraments as we understand them. Orthodox Christians don’t really use the term “Christian” like many in the West use it. There’s a lot of literature about it. Seeing your nasty comment about the Patriarch of Moscow and the Russian people, I doubt you want to actually learn about what you’re trying to talk about
@@jacoblloyd-o8d Orthodoxy is very close to me. I think that the Roman Catholic Church in Poland is closer to Orthodoxy than to the Roman Catholic Church in Western Europe. However, there is no doubt in my mind that being "christianos" (χριστιανός) - as Christ's disciples are called in the Acts of the Apostles - belonging to Christ, to His Mystical Body - the Church, does not depend on nominal membership in one or another community. It depends on union with Christ, for which the sacraments are helpful. Yes, in my opinion Cyril is not "christianos". He puts himself outside the Church. His teaching is contrary to the teaching of Christ. The fact that he is a bishop does not protect him. He is not infallible for this reason. (Orthodox Christians often have a very negative attitude towards the dogma of papal infallibility, they themselves use a similar approach towards their patriarchs. You talk about them as if they were infallible. By the way - Orthodox Christians do not understand this dogma in the Roman Church at all. They think that it is for Catholics everything the Pope says is infallible, but it is nonsense. The Pope is the exponent of the apostolic faith of the Church - as in the Acts of the Apostles, when Peter speaks to the people. I would even venture to say that this infallibility is impossible in a divided Church. Today we can speak of a universal one the primacy of the Pope - Bishop Kallistos Ware, a British Orthodox bishop, spoke very well about it - you can find his lectures on this topic on the Internet. Orthodox people ignore the role of Peter in the Church, do not notice fragments on this subject in the Bible, forget about the Tradition and history of the early Church. ).
I made no comment about the Russian people, but about mercenaries and bandits who go to the front, prisoners whose sentence is spared and are conscripted into the army. The Russian nation is intimidated, there is no freedom. I feel sorry for the Russian people.
@@dariuszpietka1845
Don't be silly. Any believer in Christ is called a Christian.
I still get to stand in line and ask "Father, Bless", and he will Bless me by making the sign of the Cross on my head, and the altar boy gives us "Antidoron" (instead of the sacrament).
Been catechumen for three years. Still cannot take communion. My priest is a feminist and trusts the science
Perhaps you should look into going to another perish, that sounds like a recipe for failure.
Is your priest explicitly refusing to baptize/chrismate you because of his feminist/scientism beliefs? I’m not sure how those ideologies would conflict with being received into the church.
You’ll be to be baptized and Christmated to become an official member of the church. If your priest is refusing to do this then I suggest asking him why, you could also contact the Bishop since the priest must submit to his authority.
@@jacoblloyd-o8d why are you pretending to be clueless and naive? False humility spotted, intellectual vanity in is our midst! Let me entertain you.
is a man's actions not predicated upon his beliefs?
@@jacoblloyd-o8d is a man's actions not predicated upon his beliefs? Also, are you seriously unsure why a covidist priest in left leaning new england has made a catechumen wait over three years? one that has access to other priests who tell me not to get jabbed. I do not argue with my priest and I have never brought any of this up with him, but he knows where I stand in other ways. It is the congregation as well. They let me know things, and I just listen. They do not know that I have not had the medical procedure. One Sunday they brought in a feminst speaker who ranted for an hour about gender inequality in the ancient church. My jaw dropped. Do you understand?
We have come Full Circle. This reveals we have an End, if we had no End, there would be No Revelations. The Gentiles now Worship as the Jews did at the Temple. Rituals, Rules, Laws, Traditions, Fancy Dress and Grand Titles, the Worship of Structure, and Not its Roots. Thus when the Root of their Religions turns up in the flesh, their Religion Cannot Recognise Him. And When Christ Returns, they shall be Terrified
What is wrong with worshipping “as the Jews” did?
@@firstnamelastname2197 The Gospels answered the question you just asked.
I am curious to hear what, if anything, Bishop Irenei has said or has to say about Ireland - The modern Irish polity, the Easter Uprising, the 800 years of hostility and oppression by England, etc.
Ethnicity matters even if it's not the most important thing. If you adopt a transcendental-nihilist position and say it matters less because theology matters more, you'll be stripping away your own foundations and undermining your effort to reach up towards Jesus Christ.
**and say it doesn't matter because theology matters more
All theology is blasphemy - Soren Kierkegaard
@@mingus445_gaming Theology in the Orthodox East is understood differently than the scholastic, intellectually-based theology of the West. In the East, theology is the expression of the revelation of God. Revelation understood through the experience of, and communion with God, within the context of the Church.
@@1970Akritas I agree entirely. Unfortunately, there's this new sort-of movement of young men that learn as much Christian history as possible, thinking that this impart of knowledge somehow makes them better Christians. It does not, because if you need an exact history of the events of all of Christianity to justify your faith, then you have no faith at all.
@@mingus445_gaming Ah, I see what you mean. Thank you for clarifying.
Those of us who are English Catholics ( those Anglos who practice the English expression of the Catholic faith) are not in Communion with the Orthodox because of their separatist unbiblical distain for unity, even i non-essentials. We want unity but they don't. Plus, the Orthodox have done such a terrible job of evangelism to Orthodoxy, that there is no choice for those who might seek the East, but there is no parish within 100 miles.
there are 6+ parishs within 100 miles of me, I am not quite sure where you live. Orthodoxy's greatest evangelic aid is the lives that the Orthodox live, and that the faith may live through them to the point where those who are witness to them see its effect.
“Separatist disdain for unity” such as the anglican church having a different understanding of the sacraments, the Trinity, the nature of man’s relation to Scripture and Tradition, accepting women into the priesthood and bishopric, and being “inclusive” of the rainbow brigade (including being officially blessed by their congregation)? These seem like VERY big things to disagree on. Saying that these are a “disdain for unity” instead of key theological issues is disingenuous and blatantly false when you begin to understand church history (IE the disagreement on the insertion of the Filioque fundamentally changes how the Trinity is understood, and it is the primary reason the latins separated in 1054). Why would the Orthodox want to accept people into the Church who don’t understand its beliefs? The Church is not (and was never) a unifying political force that’s trying to create a one-world government.
@@jacoblloyd-o8d yap yap yap. None of this will help you before Christ. Make more important decisions and ignore less important legalistic matters of hierarchical institutions.
No disrespect is meant, but, Lord's Bride ought to remain "holy and without blemish" (Eph 5,27) and thus any union with Heterodox groups is impossible.
Where are you?