How should we think about non-Orthodox relatives? Can the non-Orthodox be saved?
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How should we think about non-Orthodox relatives? Can the non-Orthodox be saved? About “internal laws”. Guidance from Romans 2:10-16. A clip (from 0:50 - 14:58), a sermon on the 2nd Sunday after Pentecost, All Saints of Russia
How beautiful to hear Godly words with the happy sounds of little ones in the background. I love Orthodoxy. Glory to God.
orthodoxy yes but not unia with the green ? no oan and orthodox dont give unia. Every body love every body but unia is papa and deceptive.
As an Orthodox from Eastern Europe, I love the American way of thinking about it. You don't take a lot for granted and re-energize the faith. Thank you for that.
We look to you for strength in stories of what happened to the faithful of the East, we are young in acquiring the faith as a nation. I am baptized in the Serbian Orthodox Church. It’s good to have this bridge! Truly the best bridge to bring people together.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
It's not the American way. It's the way of this nutcase. Please don't confuse things.
@@sanjushah3061 Unity in the Church, schism is a breakdown in mutual affection.
@@OrthodoxChristianTheology If you think that only the Orthodox church is correct and all the other sects and churches are false then your understanding of the message of Christ needs adjustment. I'm not against the Orthodox church but Christ came with the teachings he gave us primarily to be found on the teachings in the sermon on the mount. I didn't hear him say during those teachings " Establish a Greek orthodox church after I am gone. And those who are not part of it do not consider them to be my followers " Instead he said : "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.” Unfortunately humans love to complicate things and separate truth into complexities and systems. This is why Christ told us that unless we humble ourselves and become like little children we will never enter the kingdom of God.
Pray for my conversion to orthodox
I will. Send your name, and whatever biographical information you want to send, to seraphim@orthodox.net
From what may I ask
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
@@binderdundit228 Don't condemn Catholicism. Don't Judge or condemn. Love your enemies and bless them. The important thing for Christians of all denominations or none is to follow the way of jesus. His teachings are summed up most perfectly in the sermon on the mount.
@@sanjushah3061 I can say what I think. Catholicism is a pagan religion that absorbed elements of Judaism. Catholicism is the wolf in sheep's clothing. Escape from her abominations and turn to the Torah.
As a Catholic i love my Orthodox brothers and sisters.
There's no such thing as being Orthodox Christian and not being Catholic. Likewise there's no such thing as being Catholic without being Orthodox.
@@BarbaPamino haha, yeah, so language is funny innit
As a Roman Catholic, I only believe orthodox Christian beliefs. And you may say that as an Orthodox Christian your church is a universal (catholic) church.
It is very funny and very sad when my Eastern Orthodox brothers claim that a portion of the Body of Christ is excluded from the catholic faith.
The truth is that the catholic faith includes both the Catholic Church and her many traditions (such as Roman or Eastern in communion with the See of Peter) as well as many churches, such as most Eastern Orthodox churches, who are not in communion with the See of Peter.
Christianity is a big tent.
@@wheatandtares-xk4lp you're not catholic. And it doesn't mean universal. You can take that word. It's a nice western word. Catholic is a Greek word. Like the New Testament. Like St Peter's name and St Peter's Liturgy in Rome for 300 years before the albino apes of the North raided Rome and polluted it slowly over the next 1700 years. Spare me. My family was under the Bishop of Rome for centuries. You live in a dream world. The Bishop of Rome mo grand authority to take us pack in thr Peloponnese. Or even to end the exile of St John Chrysostom. Shame on you. Convince your swine clergy to repent and become καθολική again.
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*DO YOU LOVE YOUR ENEMIES? THAT IS MUCH MORE IMPORTANT? DO YOU LOVE MUSLIMS? DO YOU LOVE TERRORISTS LIKE GEORGE BUSH?*
As someone non orthodox, i see all members of all christian denominations as my brothers and sisters of gods kingdom, regardless of denomination. Rejoice in the presence of jesus and the holy spirit ❤❤❤❤️
Of course you do but we have different standards. These are the ancient standards of the church. There is no membership in the church which is the body of Christ without baptism into that church and belief according to that church. I make no judgments about people outside of church except that they are outside the church. May you find Paradise.
Grace to you
A comment and two questions sir. First of all, in my walk with the Lord Jesus, I have discovered the most important salvific doctrinal difference between denominations is justification. I believe that Romans and James together teach us that salvation is clearly by" Grace through faith, not of works, lest any man boast," and, that a truly regenerated heart will desire and produce good works. I am a Christian currently holding a strong Reformed "Calvinist " view ,( which is really a St. Augustine view ) but i would please like to know:
1. What is the official Eastern Orthodox doctrine on Justification?
2. Are there Orthodox missionaries?
Thank u sir and God bless
@@orthodoxnet So for me to have fellowship with you I must agree with and accept these 'ancient standards' I note that the speaker said something about not the hearers of the word but the doers of the word and that Luther failed to receive the memo. Did this speaker fail to receive the memo that we are saved by grace and not works. That God works through us.
I was standing in a room in'71 and a being I did not know invaded me. He look at all my issues and faults and told me I was a mess but He could fix that and that I was His. Oddly enough I had a similar experience in Russia with Mother Russia. However, my point is conversion is an act of God not man. God reaches into lives and changes them. I know a woman who went to Bible school, she followed the '4 Spiritual laws' and said her little prayer. Later in life she was married to 3 men inside of 24 months. She has a son that she abandoned some 30 years ago. So, there is a need for a working out of our salvation. That faith without works is dead; but at the same token works without faith is equally dead. We have to repent but we cannot repent unless God draws us to Him.
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@@orthodoxnetbrother, the Holy Spirit of God dwelling in a man is the mark of those in the body of Christ. His fruit, submission to all of Christs teachings...all who trust in Christ and obey Him are brothers.
@@bobstewart5255 your conception and presentation of "saved by grace and not works" is an issue that has only become common outside of the Church because of the continual falling away of the Romans and all of the confused Protestant sects they produced.
I'm presbyterian, but I love the Orthodox church :) we're all brothers and sisters in Christ.
No we're not you are an ecumenist and a liar
you are with very high probability doomed
You are not my sister in Christ, but a heretic. Do not asssociate me with you.
@@icwiener9935 If someone expresses love for Orthodoxy and such langauge has them turn away and then eventually fall completely, it'd be better for you to be thrown into the deep with a millstone round your neck.
@@ariversideview5775He's a Miaphysite, not Orthodox.
Those of us living in America, especially those whose faith journey has been completed in Holy Orthodoxy, have the responsibility of being apostles to those who are not yet Orthodox but still hear the Savior's call. This begins with refusing to make snide comments towards them, to roll our eyes at them, and to second-guess their sincerity and faith in Christ. If our behavior drives others away from Christ's Church, how bitter will His words of "depart from me, I never knew you" be to us who thought we knew better than our neighbor?
It is hard to tell with comments. I did not hear your words or see your face. My entire sermon is exactly as you say it should be. I am not mocking anyone. There are standards for the church. I cannot tell if you took my words as mockery. If you did, you have heard them through a "glass darkly". Priest seraphim Holland
@@orthodoxnetI don’t think he was accusing your sermon of those things, just giving general advice perfectly complementary to your message.
@orthodoxnet This was intended to be general commentary regarding the mission field that is America, please forgive me for introducing any confusion.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
Whether you’re orthodox or not doesn’t matter. The question is, do you trust in Christ alone or not?
What an edifying sermon, thank you and God bless you Father
Even sociopaths know that it's wrong to abuse a person. They just don't have anything emotionally that just prevents them from doing it anyway. But they know it's wrong.
Thank you for your videos. I want to become Orthodox one day. I’m not in a place in the world where I can pursue that, but one day I will.
Seek and pursue Christ, and you will find The Way
Thank you for this homily. I always wanted to know more about this. I guess it is hard to just be simple.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for the explanation Fr.!
Beautiful, thank you, Father
Thank you! God bless.
I'm blessed by this sermon. Thank you, father. God bless you.
I feel very calm listening to this video.
Martin Luther did get that memo. He taught that faith alone is a faith that is never alone. Historic Protestants are closer to you than you think. Martin Luther would hardly differ from you in anything you say here.
Besides the fact he removed books of the Bible.
@@starstray4326 only kinda sorta, it’s a bit more complicated than that
Thank you
Enjoyed this Father.
(Also, some Catholics and Orthodox missed the memo as well. I usually refer to those folks as “non practising”)
My faith started in orthodoxy and I love my orthodox brothers and sisters. Lots of beauty and reverence they appreciate that my other Protestant brothers and sisters do not. Many blessings. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and interpretations
Why would you become a protestant?
I’ve been really enjoying these orthodox talks lately. Im technically Catholic, that’s what I was baptized and confirmed in but I kinda enjoy these videos more than the Catholic Church
God bless you Fr. Seraphim Holland ☦️
I left Protestantism behind and became Orthodox in 2023. I love my Roman Catholic and Protestant friends, and hope they join the one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church sooner then later.
" whoever believes in me is saved." Jesus. The water of life is free for all that come to God.
Exactly.
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
Absolutely. Religion does not save you. It’s your faith in Jesus Christ.
@@Kitkat0315 Amen.
Faith as a philosophy or mental state (without works) is a house built on sand and a lamp under a bushel. If you’re not acting like a [Orthodox] Christian (ie, doing the works Christ instructed), then you do not have salvation.
“For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.”
James 2:26
@@aquiladavid5681 Ephesians 2:8-9
God's Word says that we are saved by grace through faith in Christ Jesus and not by our own efforts or works (Ephesians 2:8-9). Grace Alone. Faith Alone. Grace alone means that God loves, forgives, and saves us not because of who we are or what we do, but because of the work of Christ.
King James Bible Ephesians 3:15
If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
You are rewarded for you works but it does not affect your salvation. How can you possibly know if you have done enough to be saved. If you say it’s Christ’s blood and your works you are taking Christ’s glory. You are saying Jesus’ blood was not good enough to save you.
Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Have you ever received a gift you has to work for or earn?
Could you elaborate or make a video (unless you have already) on how Martin Luther, as you say, ‘got it wrong’ ?
I am here for knowledge and would like to understand that statement in its entirety as the remainder of the video, although carries on this theme, doesn’t provide specifics that substantiate the Martin Luther statement.
Pick up a copy of the book Rock and Sand by Fr. Josiah Trenham for lots of detail on Reformers and their errors.
I am catholic. I just found this video and this is so beautiful! I also love the icons in the background. How can I find more about Eastern worship?
Go to your closest Orthodox Church :)
@@vinreverie the closet one is over hour
The Church Ecclesiology series on the Orthodox Ethos YT channel is good.
@@apostolicapologetics4829 Well worth the drive. I'm Catholic too, but I do find Eastern Orthodox liturgy to be very beautiful.
@@letterofthelaw2567 have you ever been to an Eastern catholic liturgy
All in all, this is a wise Christian perspective. Not an Orthodox perspective, nor a Roman Catholic perspective, nor a Protestant perspective, but merely a Christian one.
My one disagreement: I’m not optimistic about the eternal fate of one who rejects God, even if they otherwise live a relatively well-behaved life. Christ says “I am the way and the truth and the life, and no one comes to the Father but through me.” The Bible says that whoever confesses with their lips Christ as Lord and believes in their heart that God raised him from the dead will be saved.
Do you have a series as to why you are Orthodox? Thank you!
John said to Him, “Teacher, we saw someone casting out demons in Your name, and we tried to prevent him because he was not following us.” But Jesus said, “Do not hinder him, for there is no one who will perform a miracle in My name, and be able soon afterward to speak evil of Me. For whoever gives you a cup of water to drink because of your name as followers of Christ, truly I say to you, he will not lose his reward.
Mark 9:38-39, 41
The meaning of that is that they would eventually come to be with Him, in communion with Him, and not stay doing their own thing as they were currently. So too now.
Glory to God
May I ask the name of this Father? Wonderful truths. ✝️
Priest Seraphim Holland seraphim@orthodox.net www.orthodox.net (St Nicholas, McKinney TX)
@@orthodoxnetI’m in Fort Worth Texas and have been looking into orthodoxy. It’s difficult to locate anyone nearby. I am concerned if my Baptisms were valid\sufficient.
This is refreshing to hear. After spending 30 years as an Evangelical ( A year ago I reverted back to RCC via attending Latin Mass) I grew so tired of church folks asking " is he/she saved ?"
" well they prayed to receive Jesus in their heart, so yes"...like a simple prayer was magic or something. If the RCC ( Im in Traditional FSSP) continues to slide into the abyss with the junk the Pope is propelgating I may convert to Orthodox.
I'm a Roman Catholic aswell, and i wanted to address your last point because i'm frustrated aswell. However leaving is NOT the solution, if all the actual godly men left the RCC and we just leave the liberals in there we will lose this beautiful church. We must fight for the life of this Apostolic church established by Peter. I will never convert to Eastern Orthodoxy unless i get kicked out of the RCC of course then I will literally have no physical choice. And besides, the grass is not particularly greener in the East. You must also remember in Scripture when Israel had bad kings, and being King of Israel was a seat ordained by God just like the Roman Bishop.
@@rass4609 thank you for the encouragement!
Ex Orthodox here. When the people of God were worshiping other idols (ofc the RCC doesn’t do this but even in a bad state but definitely far from worse) they didn’t just leave Israel, they stayed in it and obeyed God. We need to do the same + the pope really isn’t bad it’s just these atheistic articles that slander him.
@@hap1678 I sure am not going to take any spiritual advice from someone who is an apologist for this Pope, are kidding me.
" And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues."
@@wbl5649 Brother your taking advice from schismatics who have departed from truth, different between me and you is that I won’t betray my faith for something which is empty when things get bad. Eastern Orthodoxy is false for too many reasons but you will come to Rome back to home if God pleases.
If you believe that Lutherans don't see Works as necessary for Salvation, please read Article XX of the Augsburg Confession titled Good Works.
Also read, Augsburg Confession Article VI: of the New Obedience.
How does this fit in with what I'm told is the teaching of the church... That there is no salvation outside the church?
I agree father with you “ God is no respecter of persons great word !
Hello, I am a Methodist and just want to make sure I respectfully understand the position. So there is not a "clear" position for protestants other than they are not "certainly saved" since they did not come into communion with the "One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church"? How do you handle the issue with those who are a part of the Roman Catholic Church due to the historical split after the great schism? I ask this just as I am trying to understand more about Orthodoxy from an ecumenical perspective. I realize my views are more open-minded, and may make for awkward company since they allow me to see Catholics and Orthodox Christians as brothers and sisters in Christ, (even with some of the theological issues that I may have) but nonetheless, I am still interested in hearing your thoughts respectfully.
I thank you for your respectful view towards others of Christian faith while also making it clear of your standards, boundaries, and beliefs, I know that is not easy to maintain and convey.
God bless you! For us, the Roman Catholics are outside of the church just as Methodists or any other Protestant denomination are outside of the church.
@@orthodoxnet thank you for your succinct and clear reply. I appreciate it. Thank you! God bless you as well!
The orthodox church from my understanding believes in the Extra eclessium nulla salus(might have spelled it wrong) but it means no salvation outside the church. So the answer would be, if your not baptized in the one true church, you cannot be saved.
@@k9leadstheway531 thank you for the clarification and providing the terminology.
@@k9leadstheway531 I find this hard to understand. I mean there’s not even an Orthodox Church near me..the Chinese/ North Korea church’s are persecuted, not Catholic or orthodox, and they risk imprisonment for wanting to worship God and the implications of no salvation outside of a particular church implies that church makes someone’s faith better than someone else’s which just doesn’t fit the gospel message. I say the underground church’s have the truer faith since they are really eating the body of Christ and drinking His blood. And yes I’m aware there’s a doctrine about ignorance somewhere…
Bless you Father its in the heart ,and always repent..God bless world family..
Respectfully, your characterization of Paul’s words in Romans 2:13 lacks context. Paul is establishing that to be justified by the law one must “do” the entire law perfectly so that in the next chapter he can show that no one can be justified by the law because no one can do it perfectly.
Romans 3:20 NIV
Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God's sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.
The law cannot justify us because we cannot live up to it. What the law does is reveal God’s nature to us so in our repentant faith we can strive to be closer to God. It is through our repentant faith that God gives us salvation as a gift through his grace, and through that gift we receive a new heart which yearns to observe the law and grow closer to God.
I just don't get it. Why isn't there, not in the title neither in the description, any information on who this priest is, where, when etc.? Goes without saying that such a quality upload and its enthusiastic audience deserve that.
Brother only Jesus Christ the son of the most high God can save
I was waiting for an answer. Seriously. But just saying to pray, for what? For relative to become Orthodox? Always wondered what the belief was on the Roman Catholic frim the Orthodox Catholic viewpoint
As an outside observer, I think one of the main unique features of Orthodoxy as opposed to other denominations is that they are less afraid to say “I don’t know,” unlike the Roman Catholics, Protestants, etc who always must have a doctrine for everything, sort of giving respect to the divine, unknowable mysteries of the Lord instead of claiming to know perfectly His unfathomable nature.
Every denomination believes “they are the only way” which is a bunch of BS.
Jesus saves. Repent, glorify His name, believe in the resurrection of Christ. Pray the Holy Spirit fills you with Grace and love.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
@@reedplaysgamesno ,we do know ,no Orthodox will EVER say these non Orthodox are saved
Basically no difference between Orthodoxies, Copts, Chaldeans Palestinians and Bishops of Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Alexandria.
You will be saved if you follow God's word and it must be genuine.
Father, you were born a priest. Eis Polla Eti, ∆espota. ☦️⚓❤️
With a Bishops blessing a funeral can be served for someone who has taken their life especially if it is a result of mental illness.
bravo pope
So Faith + following the Sermon on the Mount = salvation
I think there is a special room in heaven where all the protestants and Catholics are gonna have to be really quiet around. Cuz it's gonna be full of people like him. We are gonna have to be quiet because they will think that they are the only ones in there
In the same chapter Paul says that nobody can be justified by the law because we fail so it condemns us.
He was talking about the OT law. Make sure you discern properly....
Unless I missed it, I don’t recall hearing Jesus’ name once in this talk.
John 14:16 “Nobody comes to the father except through me” - Jesus
As Christians, we need to point people to Jesus.
Don’t spend your efforts arguing over which denominations are the only way.
Thank you. There is no other way but Jesus!
Jesus Christ is God and the Church is the Body of Christ.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
Why did Jesus found a Church then?
@@neonyankunChurch was meant to spread the Word of Christ and aid in shepherding the believers. Only Christ saves. Not a dogma and not a building.
Please pray for us Father! My wife Cathy wants nothing to do with Orthodoxy. I am ready. Glory is God.
If you think you need to be the right denomination, or think an act like baptism is necessary for salvation, you've missed the point.
I once saw a short documentary of an elderly Muslim man who, for several decades, would take in newborns abandoned by their parents because they were born with terminal diseases and were, therefore, destined to die young. This man would take these babies in, feed them, change them, lull them to sleep. He gave them all the love and tenderness the world had denied them and loved them like they were his own. Then, they would eventually die, usually in his arms. The man would grieve for them and do it all over again. He put his heart on an anvil repeatedly for others. It's one of the most loving things I've ever heard of. God save him!
I am just a lowly inquirer, coming from a Protestant tradition, this teaching of "may their works save them" seems to contradict Ephesians 2:8-9. I thought the Orthodox position was both faith and works. I presume I misunderstand, please correct me.
Of course we have salvation from our faith, which must act through works. If we have no works we have no faith. We are not saved by works, but we are not saved without any works either
@@orthodoxnet Thank you for explaining it to me.
Father, you said that “if you are (1) baptized and (2) believe, you are a Christian.” Well, my The Orthodox Study Bible puts it right the other way around. We read thus in Mark 16:16 that “He who (1) believes and is (2) baptized will be saved.”
Question: which one should we believe? Your sayings or Bible’s?
It is the same difference. If you read OT part of the Bible, you will find at the time when circumcision was introduced, mainly adults were affected, but afterwards, newborns were affected. At the time when Baptism was introduced, mainly adults were affected, but later babies were mostly affected. Make sure you are not overzealous with the linguistics as substance is what matters.
@@johnnyd2383 What it matters to you - as the one not being “overzealous,” is substance. But what it matters to Jesus, the Son of God, is what is written. He confronted Satan three times in the wilderness with “it is WRITTEN” (Matthews 4), not with the “substance.” So, since Jesus is our Savior, and we are asked to live like He lived (1 John 2:6), I’ll stay with what with “it is WRITTEN.”
@@eotpatriarchs Do as you wish. I was pointing out that we ought to think bigger and not legalistically, because keeping rules and regulations with no change to the heart, doesn’t please God. Pharisees were strict in following every iota of the OT Law and yet, they missed the mark. Bye bye.
@@johnnyd2383 It is NOT the letter but the order of things. There is a big difference, isn't it?
But if you are REALLY interested to know something on this subject, go ahead and do some reading. I recommend you Saint Theodore of Mopsuestia’s Catechesis XII and XIII, Baptism And Forgivness in Acts 2:38, Bibliotheca Sacra 153, Saint Basil the Great’s A Treatise on Baptism and others. As a matter of fact, Saint Basil the Great gets mad about Christians’ jumping over the repentance and believing straight to Baptism. Read his book and you’ll understand that. Then come back and talk with me again. I hope you don’t consider yourself superior to all these writers, do you?
Baptized Ukrainian orthodox and so is my daughter… she struggles at times with non orthodox’s at times but because of family and cultural heritage she has been doing fine🤝🙏🏻🇨🇦
thats what orthodox is basically. It is a tradition. I broke free from it and became a pentecoastal, I never regret it and I got to know Jesus at a true depth. Orthodoxy is evil. My orthodox family did me bad for converting for example. You guys also pray to Mary which is wrong.
@@EpicLionMusicI pray to you, tell me why praying to Mary is wrong? Perhaps you mistake prayer for worship?
@@colmwhateveryoulike3240 because its like saying Jesus is not enough, I need Mary too , and saint paul too. You belittle God. And God is also a jealous God says the Bible. He does not share glory with anyone. Mary was a human like you and me. Would you like people to pray to you when you are in Heaven? Thats a BIG mistake. Nowhere in the Bible does it say you should pray to humans but the Bible CLEARLY says we should NOT pray to the dead nor the living but to GOD. Speaking to corpses is also what satanists do. Are you satanists?
Wont even waste time whit you.@@EpicLionMusic
@@EpicLionMusic Tradition is the tether that holds us to the Church Christ established 40 days after Pentecost. If we sever that tether, we sever our connection to Christ.
How about Orthodox people who are baptized but refuse to practice it or even believe in God. Is this the same as being pagan or is it worse or we don't know? Elder Cleopa said Orthodox people who die without confession serve the canon they should have been given by the priest in hell and then the Church takes them out of hell through mentions during DL. This is scary but fair I think. As Orthodox we have more gifts we are expected to do more....
I believe the impression given in the sermon is that these might be the people to whom the Lord will say “I never knew you”
I believe God will decide who are sheep and who are goats.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
We need to come together to fight the stupidly of the modern world 😅.
Where is the orthodox church after the Messiah returns?
Those who fought the good fight in the church will be with Jesus christ, in the air.
It would be torture to stay in the ego of the mind after death.
I love you, and my Orthodox bros, but that wasn't a fair take on Luther.
I am not Orthodox, but let us acknowledge what Paul writes to the Romans.
WHOSOEVER confesses with his mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord and believes in his heart that He is risen SHALL BE SAVED.
I think he's pretty clear on that.
Another thing (that I believe we disagree on): gou DO NOT need to be baptized to be saved. Yes, it is a command from God that you do it. It is not a requirement to be saved.
For by grace are we saved through faith, but not of works, lest we should boast.
Baptism is a work. Therefore, it is not a requirement to be saved. To say baptism is required to be saved would be to have a doctrine of "faith + works = salvation".
That doctrine is not correct. By grace through faith = salvation. Confess that Jesus is Lord and believe He is risen is salvation.
"Nobel Savages" I like that term.
It was a fake study
I don't feel that you invite- “Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled,” the Lord said. So, “judge not.”
Did you listen to the entire video? I doubt it. Those with knee jerk reactions usually just listen t a small portion, then make assumptions they are comfortable with. You did not understand what I was said, and it appears that you judged that I was judging others. If you want to think a little, and have seen the entire video, please make a serious and thoughtful response. Priest Seraphim Holland
Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.”
So overall other Christian’s good calm people who aren’t orthodox overall have just as good chance into heaven as a Orthodox Church Christian anyone agree
Hopefully 🙏
Have faith in Jesus Christ and we'll be saved. Amen ✝️☦️
Proper faith would lead one to keep His commandments and amongst others, there is also one to go and Baptize (Matthew 28,19).
I am more worried about my family members who do not know Christ at all
You should be worried about everyone who is not Oriental (Coptic) Orthodox
@@icwiener9935we are Eastern Orthodox only
Common scenes in a very dark time.
We are saved by grace! No one can keep the law! We are sinning in our minds. The law condemns us and the gospel saves us.
Thank God we weren't left down here to save ourselves through keeping the law! It's been proven to not work out for us. Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life. No Man comes to the father except though Him! The Bible directs us to our need of Jesus, not to the law!
@@pravo4586 to show us that we are sinners and to guide us. So we can turn to Jesus for our salvation.
Man wanted God to just give them a set of rules to follow, and go away. So He did, and Man failed to uphold them perfectly. The only one who could fulfill the law is Jesus. God absolutely wanted us to see our need of Him.
Christ did not say you are my disciples if you believe this or that. He said'Yoyou are my disciples if you love one another' Therefore all who live in love live in God and Christ. The spirit of the anti Christ is the spirit of division, Disputes, differences, ideology, sectarian disputes, theological arguments, division of the truth into separate parts, claiming that your philosophy and theology are the only True ones. Etc.. The spirit of Christ is Unity understanding and love.
You can gather that based on Israel’s attitude all through the Bible. The Pharisees had that attitude. They loved the Law and their own self-righteousness by being legalistic, not God.
Orthodox ❤❤❤
God sent His own son, Jesus into the world to be the place of us guilty sinners. Jesus never sinned. He felt no guilt. His conscience was clear before God. Since Adam, there has never been another man like Jesus who did all things pleasing to God. In every way, at all times, without exception, He pleased His Father, whereas we have displeased Him.
Yet Jesus did not come just to give us an example. He came to be our substitute-to take the place of us sinners-and bear the punishment for all sin. At the end of His righteous life, He voluntarily died, as if He were the sinner. He took your sin upon himself and died in your place-in the place of all sinners. Forgiveness does not come through the church or through its leaders. Only God can forgive, and he is ready to forgive all who will believe and receive his forgiveness.
“If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness” 1 John 1:9
Only Jesus can save and not the church you attend. See John 3:16-17, Acts 4:12 John 10
There is only one Church, the Body of Christ. This is that Church. Christ created it.
I don’t know what they are talking about Pride month. Everyday , every month , every hour every minute belongs to God. They are out of line .
It is written in John 14:6…Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
The religious denomination a person subscribes to is unimportant given what Jesus stated in John 14:6
Try John 8:44
@@patienceobongo
You just validated my point.
I have been baptised and recieve Jesus. Thanks to the baptist church. Do I count as an orthodox. Your precepts do not defer.
No. In order to be Eastern Orthodox, you would need to be either Baptized in EOC completely or at least Confirmed... which would happen only after you receive proper catechism. You will have to leave your baggage behind before entering Lord's EO Church.
Save from what?
Hell
@@SRBOMBONICA86 I'm sorry for posting that question honestly...the subject in discussion is beyond reasoning.
I believe in a united christian church no sects just unity
That goes against the teachings of the glorious Reformation; REPENT!!!
This is exactly what both the Catholic and Orthodox churches profess. Both claim to be the one true Church, and both each other and all other denominations are offshoots in schism with it.
I’m a Catholic and I was saved.. Jesus established his church by the rock St. Peter…
Nobody cares
@@grasroots601222 About you? I do.
That rock was not St Peter in the literal sense. I understand the Petra/Petros wordplay argument, but read the early church fathers. Even in scripture, when the disciples were arguing about which one would sit at Christ's right hand in the kingdom, he rebuked them. St Peter's confession that "thou art the Christ, the son of the living God" - that was the rock. Not Peter himself. I'm sure most devout Catholics are at least somewhat aware of this. Whether the cognitive dissonance can be overcome is their struggle.
@@sonofthunder-fb3cm "You are the rock upon whom I will build my church" is pretty straight forward. Once you remove St. Peter as the "rock" and the papal line, anything believing in the overall views of Christianity can be seen as the true church, which is wrong. This is why Jesus Christ made sure to have One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church so that our faith could be grounded in something that cannot falter or change.
@@sonofthunder-fb3cm Please read the original Greek codices. You have no Idea what you're talking about.
I can’t hear passed the echo chamber
Not being able to take communion if you’re not part of the Orthodox Church? I haven’t read that in the Bible. Jesus says “do this in remembrance of Me”. Backing up to exodus where the Passover was introduced to the Jews in Egypt and commanded by God to do for all time to commemorate the deliverance from bondage…. This is the same Passover that Jesus is celebrating with His disciples. Communion is Passover minus the cup of righteousness which He will not drink until the Marriage Super of the Lamb…. Ok I am rambling but we HAVE to follow the word of God as is. Christianity is Completed Judaism only made complete in Christ our living Messiah. All these man made traditions take away from focus on what we should be focusing on. The division amongst us is a plot from the devil to divide us. Everywhere people are awakening to the truth of Jesus as the Messiah and we should be focusing on Him rather than tradition. Also, being a non Orthodox doesn’t mean we ignore the law on the contrary, we strive to follow the law but believe it’s only possible through Jesus. Praying to Saints and looking at Holy relics is breaking of 2 Commandments …”you are to have no other gods. before me… well praying to anyone but God is having another god and “do not make graven images”…. They’re all over the Catholic Churches…so maybe we should just stop pointing the finger at each other and take the plank out of our own eyes….Jesus says that too. We both love God and we should trust in Christ alone for our salvation. He will work out all the details in between. May the Lord bless you and keep you and may the Lord let His face shine on you and give you peace now and always brothers and sisters in Christ.
If you're not part of the Church, the Body, as an outsider then why would you want to take communion? St. Paul speaks in those who are not prepared to receive.
So you’re saying that if you’re not orthodox you are not saved
Exactly
@@SRBOMBONICA86 well, of course it’s your right to hold that position. Just seems interesting to me tell me which practices of the orthodox churches, the early church besides communion, baptism, and marriage and if they did not do any other practices besides those and how were they saved if they were not practicing all of the religious things that the orthodox are practicing today?
@@pastordavidberman2091 They did practice Orthodoxy as it is today. Protestants have no Tradition so of course they would have no idea what the Church was like.
We don't know. It is off the path of salvation, God may be merciful.
Can orthodox people be saved is the better question
Where were you prior to 16th century when your guru unhappy, drunken, constipated German monk showed up.?
One does not have to be an Orthodox to be a Christian
Only Orthodox are true Christians
True, but you need to be catholic.
@@derniemand360Orthodox are Katholikos.
There are not in union with rome, thus, heretic.
@@derniemand360 Rome is irrelevant,only Orthodox Christians matter
I do see parallels with Catholic doctrine insomuch that there are pagans counted amongst the Just, and there is the Baptism of Desire (hotly contested amongst Traditional Catholics), meaning that if the Just Pagan or pious Protestant had encountered the opportunity to become Catholic (or in the likely opinion of this channel’s primary audience-Orthodoxy) they would have responded to that grace. We should also not commit the sin of presumption (i.e. assuming someone we know is in Heaven or is not). However, the sermon only broaches on the doctrine that outside of the Church there is no salvation (extra Ecclesiam nulla salus). Pagans and Protestants cannot be saved by their false religions. The Church is the mystical body of Christ and salvation can only come through Him. Technically speaking, anyone validly baptized in the Trinitarian form is a member of the Church whether or not they attend Mass or the Divine Liturgy. That is because baptism is a sacrament of the Church.
Thanks for reading. Pax Christi.
What the heck is he wearing!? Does this make him Holy?
It’s a Green vestment. Green is typically worn during the time of Pentecost. Orthodox Priests wear vestments as stand ins for Christ during services. Each layer is spiritual armor and serves a purpose.
@@paulkersey7458 sounds like witchcraft. The full armor of God is Spiritual not magic garments like a Harry Potter book. There are’nt stand ins for Christ. Jesus is the risen King and he is alive and in charge. No man can take his place.That is man made doctrine and is Heretical. We access Jesus directly through prayer.
@@3luckydog you and I have had the advantage of knowing how to read, attend school and have almost unlimited information and technology at our finger tips. The Orthodox Church, which has existed since the day of Pentecost, leverages all five senses in order to give Christian’s a glimpse of the eternal liturgy that occurs in heaven. There is nothing heretical about priests wearing vestments. The early church was hierarchical, liturgical and sacramental. Almost no one could read. People learned the faith by attending divine services, partaking of the sacraments, understanding the movements of the clergy and seeing salvation history depicted in holy icons. Perhaps if you understood that historical fact, you wouldn’t act like a Bible thumping loon who “got saved and cured off the devils brew”, waving his dog eared Bible in everyone’s face and denouncing the unchanged faith of around 300 million people.
@@paulkersey7458 Following God’s Word as it is written makes me a “loon”? I said Priests as stand ins for Jesus was heretical not the vestments….nice try👍.The Church in ancient times couldn’t teach their flock how to read? What about today…. Can people read today? An unchanged Faith for hundreds of years is not NECESSARILY something to boast about. The Muslims, Freemasons, Hindus, rabbinical Jews…etc. have had an unchanged Faith for hundreds of years too. Too bad it’s the wrong Faith. John 4:24 says we are to worship God in Spirit and Truth. There is no excuse for Heretical nonsense. Are you gonna cry 😢 because I quoted the Bible? Is that too Loony?
@@3luckydog I bet you were nicer when you were drinking. There is nothing heretical about the priest standing in for Christ. He prepares communion, he anoints the sick, baptizes children in place of Christ. I have holy tradition and almost 2000 years of apostolic tradition on my side. You have the 700 club the purpose driven life.
Was Jesus Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Romanian Orthodox, Serbian Orthodox?
Jesus is the Head of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church. In other words, He is the Head of the Orthodox Church.
@@TheRadChadDad You better let him know.
@@danarose6314was Jesus Armenian Catholic, Greek Catholic, Roman Catholic, or Coptic Catholic?
Jesus IS a Jew.
No he was a jew who passed his teachings to Jewish apostles who under him established a church with a hierarchy and liturgical worship just because Rome went into error and the protestants are there fruit doesn't have anything to with true or falsity of that claim I recommend a video by orthodox shahada which demonstrates that the orthodox liturgical worship is derived f4om Jewish synagogue worship and even protestants like Hugh wybrew wrote books discussing and backing up this claim more importantly why do you ignore the Lord when he says you need to ear his flesh the word in Greek means to gnaw specifically, and in the Pauline epistles Paul writes about the holy eucharist and says if anyone partakes unworthy they may get sick or even die
I was born into and baptised by the Greek Orthodox Church. As a young man I left the church and wandered the wilderness like many young men of my age. Later I refound Christ through a non-denominational church. I respect the Orthodox church, but I heard the priest say we must obey the law. Let me ask you this, do you observe all 613 laws? Do you eat pork or shellfish? If you do then you don't "observe the law."
the position is that ceremonial and ritual observances were temporary things, which are not the same as God’s eternal law
@@jamesbancroft2467 Fine.. What is Gods eternal law? Please list them one by one.
Our sin made things unclean. The world was tainted by our sin. Christ cleansed the world so no thing by itself is unclean. So the law against eating unclean foods is still in place but there are no unclean foods so it doesn’t apply. Orthodoxy clearly explains things Protestants shipwreck on. I say this as a former southern Baptist pastor.
@@RussellSnow Let me see if I got your point. You said because of Jesus everythings clean, but Gods law not to eat unclean things is still in effect but since there are no unclean foods pay no attention to Gods law and go ahead and eat?.. You sound very confused to me..Long before Christ was manifested on earth God the Father said all things were clean to eat ( Gen 9:3 ) We who belong to Christ are no longer under the law. So from your post I will again ask which laws do you observe?
@@paulmelonas7263 we are under the whole law. I believe what the Orthodox Church believes, if what I am says contradicts the Church, I will change to the church teaching. The church says we can eat those things under the law. That’s good enough for me. The explanation as I understand it is that all food is now clean because Christ cleaned it. I’m not smart enough to think much beyond that.
Love the sinner, Hate the sin. Judge Satanic ideologies, not the person/s implementing them.
The "Jewish Law" is imperfect not complete:
7 The law of the LORD is perfect, refreshing the soul. The statutes of the LORD are trustworthy, making wise the simple.
8 The precepts of the LORD are right, giving joy to the heart. The commands of the LORD are radiant, giving light to the eyes.
9 The fear of the LORD is pure, enduring forever. The decrees of the LORD are firm, and all of them are righteous.
10 They are more precious than gold, than much pure gold; they are sweeter than honey, than honey from the honeycomb.
11 By them your servant is warned; in keeping them there is great reward. Psalm 19
You speak false words Mr Orthodox Priest
You just misrepresent his words to try to paint yourself as better and accuse a brother in Christ of speaking false words. Not christ like and not a good way to treat others. He didn’t say anywhere that Jewish law is perfect, it’s completely semantics to have a problem with him calling it incomplete, which is by definition not perfect, and to accuse him of lying because if it. What does the Bible say about such behaviors?
I'll be praying for you.
@@CanadaExplorer101 Islam is Mohammad's personal sex cult. What kind of prophet keeps sex slaves? What kind prophet has sex with a 9 year old child?
Read Quran 33:50 and 33:51. It's disgusting. Then listen to "Christian Prince" to learn what the Quran says in the original Arabic, which is even worse than the translations. How? Well, Islamic scholars have always done their best to hide how horribly written it is, how disgusting it is, and how inconsistent it is. Most Muslims aren't Arab and won't know the language, so it's easy to play on the myth & lie that the quran is perfect in Arabic. People like Mohammad Hijab (and so many other Muslims in the west) always use this trick to fool people.
Christian Prince is an Arab and will explain all of their dirty tricks.
ουνία είσαι βγές από το πράσινο που δεν φορά κανείς. Ουνία είσαι.
Call No man Father upon the Earth. Orthodoxy is Antichrist, taking the Name of God, In the Place of Christ. Clear Violation of Gods Word.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Matthew 23:9
King James Version
9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
My copy and paste:
That is copied and pasted in every comment section, sometimes without commentary, by Evangelicals who do not rightly interpret Holy Scripture.
That very literalist reading of Matthew 23:9 is dispelled by St. Paul in 1 Corinthians 4:14-17, him calling himself a father of his spiritual children, especially St. Timothy, and saying there are other fathers.
"Paul’s Paternal Care
14 I do not write these things to shame you, but as my beloved children I warn you. 15 For though you might have ten thousand instructors in Christ, yet you do not have many fathers; for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. 16 Therefore I urge you, imitate me. 17 For this reason I have sent Timothy to you, who is my beloved and faithful son in the Lord, who will remind you of my ways in Christ, as I teach everywhere in every church." (NKJV / OSB NT)
Christ referred in the passage Matthew 23:1-36 to those who *lord* titles over others as the Pharisees did often. It was not just an admonishment against calling a man father, but teachers and rabbis as well (doctors too), which I have never seen Evangelicals object to hardly. It seems to be a double standard as most are anti-Roman Catholic which sadly they lump us in.
The title 'Father' our Presbyters use is not lording a title but it is a spiritual truth as they *are* the fathers of spiritual children just like St. Paul was over his flock. And it can be gathered that indeed St. Timothy and others called St. Paul 'father' as it would have been only respectful, him being their spiritual father to help them grow in the Faith. And that's where we get it from. It is from the very earliest of the Church.
Also, Christ refers in many places to fathers both biological and spiritual (the Old Covenant Patriarchs and Forefathers). Christ does not say when He refers to them as fathers not to call them such as they are *legitimate* fathers of children. It isn't just a haughty title being put on them. They do not lord titles over others as this vocation, fatherhood, is a reality both to biological fathers and spiritual fathers.
If you like to understand this passage in the Holy Scriptures better, this video might help you: ruclips.net/video/j4F-xow3Vzg/видео.html
May God bless you. ☦
The simple answer is no. The Saints, the Canons and the Councils say no. That's why I'm converting
On the one hand: The Saints, the Canons and the Councils.
On the other hand: The Word of God -- "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved" Acts 16:31
Do not lay aside the Word of God to follow the tradition of men (see Mark 7:8)
I want to finish listening to the entire message but I'm not sure I can believe that God loves Hitler.
@@sydneyskinner6258What are the implications of that for you? You have never confronted your own sin, and still cling to a worldly idea of love. That's not a virtue. Instead of struggling to conform to love as the word of God defines it, you want to fit God into your expectations and definitions. You do the same thing with sin. You are still thinking you are not hopelessly sinful and deserve hell. You are still working to build plausible deniability that you're a good person, and Hitler and other people are the ones that actually deserve hell. If he doesn't love Hitler, or sinners, why should he love you? If you won't forgive, why should he forgive you? If you already know better, why should he teach you? Repent and approach the word of God with humility.
@@BMC867 I think you read a lot into my sentence made a lot of assumptions. I believe God loves all that He's created because everything He does is good. But I also believe unless there is true repentance then there is no eternal salvation. There are a lot of things God hates (Proverbs 6:16-19). It may be simplistic to say love the sinner but hate the sin but this is what I believe. I confront my own sin each and every day ask for forgiveness every day.
I don't see image veneration in the commandments.
A new law… I don’t think I’ve seen a worse eisigesis. You cannot disconnect:
Romans 2:13 (ESV): 13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified.
from the fuller context of the passage. Paul is making a point here. If you keep the law you will be justified. But then he goes on to rebuke them for boasting in the law because they are breakers of the law who blaspheme God. Let’s not forget that later Paul goes on to show that through the law came condemnation, for all have sinned.
Romans 2:23-25: 23 You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law. 24 For, as it is written, “The name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”
25 For circumcision indeed is of value if you obey the law, but if you break the law, your circumcision becomes uncircumcision.
The new law is Christ and faith in him to all who will believe, and it is counted to them as righteousness with nothing added. To boast in the law is become just as the gentiles, there is no new law, only the fulfillment of the law, which is Christ.
It's kind of ironic that when you criticized my exegesis you misspelled the word. I understand where you're coming from. You have the Bible but not the church. So your interpretation is what others that are not in the church have told you the Bible says. May you find paradise!
No, I intentionally used the word eisegeses. You pulled Romans 2:13 completely out of context from the rest of the chapter and from the rest of Romans. What is ironic is that you don’t defend your interpretation from the scriptures or the church fathers, but instead relegate me to a lower class because I am not in your church. How do expect to win converts to your church if you just insult those most likely to convert? I’m listening to your teaching… and others. This is the Orthodox Church I experienced in Romania, but at least you wish me well to find paradise and didn’t curse me and call me a Protestant dog.
Im happy not being part of the Orthodox church. If my salvation was dependant on what Church I attended then I would be in danger as there is no Orthodox church near me.
My salvation is by grace, through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. I honor all those who came before and did their best to navigate a difficult world, however no church is perfect and often the 'right' church has led to further harm. Whether Orthodox, Catholic or Protestant, a person will be saved by grace, through faith in Jesus.
The church institutions are not the gospel, moral living is not the gospel, religion is not the gospel. The gospel is believing in the life, death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. It is the message that reaches beyond church walls, for where no church exists the gospel can be preached and id the very heart and soul of the Christian life.
The Church (Ekklesia) is all those baptized into Christ and Chrismated to be sealed with the Holy Spirit, who have the true Faith (one Faith, one baptism, one Lord of all), and eat and drink of Him as He commanded. This is the living Body of Christ. The Ekklesia is the Theathropic (God & man) reality, where man meets God, infused with His Energia (Grace). The early Church functioned this way. The Western Protestant theologies (and Roman Catholic increasingly) are what have made islands instead of a Body. The whole notion of individualism wasn't there in the early Church. It was communal. So too is the Orthodox Ekklesia, that same Church, still maintaining many of the churches mentioned by St. Paul except Rome.
The Orthodoxia Ekklesia is not brick and mortar; that would be kyriakón doma, a building of the Lord. In English both terms translate to 'church' and it confuses English speakers.
Plenty of people have not had a local Orthodox church (kyriakón doma) but managed to become Orthodox. They prayed their prayer rules, other prayers, Jesus Prayer, Readers Services and traveled once in awhile to confess (though we do this every night in prayer, this we do as well to Christ in the witness of a Priest who can give advice to help us), and receive the Body and Blood of Christ. Many eventually had churches built.
So, you can indeed become Orthodox no matter where you are. 🤗
@@LadyMaria that's just it, I know I don't actually need to be Orthodox to be Christian. If someone wants to be part of that church as a form of worship then I have no problem. The only thing that'll matter in the end was a person born again by the grace of God.
@@Given_Grace Friend, as a fellow "born-again" Christian, I really must warn you on your statement--though, assuming you would classify yourself in a similar way. When you say the gospel is not "moral living" you are very sorely mistaken. We need to live out[act] in a way that God tells us too. Love according to 1 Corinthians 13, and act in the "fruits" that Galations 5 shows--among other things shown in the word. Please, for your own sake bring your beliefs [faith based in evidence] into action, which is moral living. The gospel is inseparable from moral living, or moral action.
@@LadyMariaA genuine question. The Orthodox Christian is able to gain forgiveness of sins by praying to God without the confessional? Not to say that in a way to say that confession wouldn't be needed at all; but to ask that confession is "the side dish"--of sorts--to the "main dish" that is asking God to forgive your sins daily, or as one were to sin and notice that evil in one's life? Thank you for your reply friend.
@@michaeltorres1263 I agree with you that moral action is vitally important as an evidencing of the faith we hold. The gospel, the message that is the power of God unto salvation is not moral living. If it was, then we would be preaching a works based salvation, that the gospel, the thing that saves is moral living. Our moral living comes once we have been born again and sealed with the Spirit, it's a response to the gospel. The gospel is preaching the finished work of Christ.
The context I was using 'moral living' was in regards to how some might rely on moral living to be saved, which is why I also mentioned 'religion' and 'institutions' to drive the contrast between the gospel and the works of humans.
As Paul wrote, if righteousness could come by the law, then Christ died in vain.
Surely when you share the gospel, you're not actually saying to people the route to salvation is good moral living are you?
I am Catholic. I love Orthodoxy and Orthodox Christians. We are both Catholic.
Your sacraments are real and we both eat the same flesh and drink the same blood.
Unfortunately the love goes one way.
delusional
Religion doesn't save, Jesus does. Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved.
Yes but only if you are coptic orthodox
@@icwiener9935 So Christians who believe the Bible and have put their faith in Jesus, and have been justified by Jesus because He paid for their sins to justify them, can't be saved (even tho Jesus saved them) because they don't call themself a Orthodox?
Is Jesus the saviour, redeemer and justifier or is the Orthodox Church the saviour, reedemer and justifier?
Do the Orthodox Church take away my sins, or did Jesus do that on the cross?
If my sins are paid for by Jesus, then I'm counted as righteous if I put my faith in Him to justify me,
because of His work.
By what you say, you trust in the Orthodox Church to save you, not Jesus. Either Jesus saves, or He does not.
Do I call on the Orthodox Church to save me or the Lord Jesus Christ?
Romans 10:9-13
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
@@icwiener9935They aren't in the Orthodox Church.
You clip out a lot of Holy Scripture.
Orthodoxy isn't religion. It's the relationship with God, how He decreed.
@@adriel6421 Amen
Only Jesus has the power of salvation, not religion.
What exactly is the definition of religion?
Are you Muslim?
Islam and Protestantism are similar
Read the screptures and not the pope as unia . no body wares green stop talking.
Jesus saves. Not preachers, pastors, saints, and priests.
I’m always weary when one denomination claims superiority over others.
Yes, except orthodoxy is the holy, catholic, apostolic faith. If Bob from Alabama starts his own denomination, that's one thing. If the original faith founded by the apostles says to be wary of heresy, that is another thing. Be wary of false faiths, friend.
Also, do not forget that due to apostolic succession (which is lost to protestantism and its denominations), priests are meant to guide people through life. They are called fathers/parents for a reason. They do not claim to be Jesus (or God) and they should not ask people to pray to them for salvation. They are meant to help and guide to salvation. Orthodox preachers, saints and priests work through the grace of God, not by themselves. The greatest saints display the most humility because they know they themselves cannot do anything without God. St Porphyrios and St Paisios are good contemporary saints to read up on if you're interested. Their lifestyles are something we could all learn from - simple humility and love, attaining the grace of God.
I also saw a comment of yours further up about how the Fr. didn't mention "Jesus" in his talk. It is clear whom the Fr. is referring to. You need to please keep context in mind when reviewing such things. Is Jesus not God? Then why would you say that, by mentioning God, the Fr. isn't talking about Jesus as well? These are rhetorical questions. As I said, context matters and you may be lacking an orthodox context and mindset.
Hope this clarifies some things.
@@Rws4Life I appreciate the comment.
I have immense respect for Christian Orthodoxy. My wife is Romanian and we were married in an Orthodox ceremony. Have attended countless Orthodox churches and currently attend one.
Does that alone mean I’m saved?
No, it does not.
The title of this video, “can people outside Orthodox be saved” should have a simple answer.
In all my years in an Orthodox Church, I believe many need to pick up their Bibles and read scripture. Really study it and understand it and pray for wisdom.
Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God-
9 not by works, so that no one can boast.
Romans 10:9-10
9 If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.
10 For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you profess your faith and are saved.
Mark 16:16
16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned.
Romans 10:13
13 for, “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”
Matthew 10:22
22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved.
Acts 2:38
38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
In short, it is not religion that saves us.
@@Superdada What does it mean to you to be "saved"?
@@beinsjd Your name written in the book of life.
The Bible clearly teaches that the moment a person turns from his sin and trusts in Jesus to be forgiven of his sin, he is saved (Acts 2:37-41). He has passed from spiritual death to spiritual life (John 5:24) and has been declared not guilty in God's court of law (Rom 3:21-26).
@@Superdada Thanks for the answer. What would you say is "spiritual death" versus "spiritual life"?
You are not the one saving anyone
Relax
Don’t judge
You ultra orthodox may not be sure about anything
Once again don’t judge another’s faith until you walk in their shoes which will never happen
If we don't speak up, then we are complacent with others walking off of a cliff. That is not love.
@@LadyMaria With all do respect I know people who have suffered in prison for Christ in Communist China and even in the camps that Hitler established. They lived nearly sinless lives, one from China can quote the entire book of Psalms without looking at the Bible. He would sing hymns to the Lord in His prison cell. Another lady forgive those who killed her friends and family. One is one of the 5 house church pastors in China. The other had a movie about her life called 'The Hiding Place'. These people live out the Bible and are willing to die. Unfortunately with most Orthodox you can barely keep them out of the night clubs on the weekends.