The Zwettlers are from Austria SB. They where a husband & wife team and pioneers in EU. They owned a direct daughter of Chinaman called "China" who was an excellent producer. They bread her many different ways, Bolio, Bullyson and Rascal blood. Zwettler blood is very good base. Strong, rough dogs with high ability. Usually black or black & white.
There were very credible people who say Jeep passed after Homer on the ride home so what we think is Jeep ain't!! was supposedly a son doubled off him that resembles him and similar bred etc was used...there were numerous articles about this early 80s ..or a close relative that resembles him ...Garret did interviews and Crenshaw also but who knows what happened after ......Crenshaw knew the truth and those in his camp also...so much money was about to be made if they can "keep him alive" for stud fees and most of the breeding to him were family bred bitches ...
It's a pleasure to listen to history in such a calm way!!! It's even better when it's told realistically without raising some people and putting others down... Some of the stories bring back crazy memories😁!!! I wish you all the best and many more good stories👍👍👍
Pete used to be lurking in the shadows of seemingly every single big event in the south when I first started attending. He was a character but he did a lot for the breed. Didn’t always agree with his tactics but I appreciate his work.
🏆🏆🏆🏆🤎✅ i love when you mentioned about talking and bad mouth n they can take way more than I can stand I tell you that, back then I rather be around dog's than be around people...
Ch. Boy was bellymate to Chinaman and I can say one of his attributes was just simply hanging one leg across his opponent and made the other dog hold his weight I seen photos of such actions that's a simple effective boxing technique 😅
a dog named Willie sired by Patrick's Homer ll and Homer ll threw very good dogs Willie was bred by Garland almost 30 years ago .. and was a bOlio Boomerang cross and I've never seen a dog that smart 🤓 and he could leave the jungle without a mark on him!!
Great stuff! Carl Crews told me that Jocko was a 53lb dog on the chain. I had many of his grandsons who had similar builds and they were all larger dogs with long legs and wind for days. Smart and athletic animals for sure. Had a son of Chinaboy who was probably the roughest dog I’ve ever put down.
Great video this is a disclaimer both dogs great however diehards black Rose was the best producer of Ch. Chinamon dog's, every litter produce at least two winner's
Jeep had that Smiley look after the Homer marathon...I guess they razored his lips...They did a good job because it wasn't as bad as some of the pictures of other dogs that had it done...They trim them when they are always getting fanged up also, I heard....all historically speaking.
I honestly don't know and some dogs can be coaxed back in and I have seen dogs look like they were going to leave but didn't and they won. Even Mr Cooper said Jeep was a good dog and was better that day.
Richard, I think people misunderstand "bite" when it comes belly dogs, Chinarose would do a lot of damage but Tito said she didn't really bite that hard, she just knew where to bite, I was talking to a guy that was pitside during her 4th and he told me he didn't understand how she did what she did because she didn't bite that hard, when Cates' Sasha won her match, some say she was a 2x but I bought her as a 1x, in her win from what I was told she didn't get a hold until 15 or 16 mins and it was over by 18 or 19 mins, she was a belly dog like Chinaman and Chinarose, Sasha was hooked up for #2 but it fell through, at that show she was put up for sale and an interested buyer asked if he could take a look at her, she killed the first dog in 6 or 7 mins (a young dog), they put a 2nd dog on her (more experienced dog) and that one lasted about the same, so they put a 3rd dog on her (supposed to be an even better dog) and it quit in 7 mins, problem, Sasha sit on it after it quit, this is all 2nd hand info so I don't know if it true or even accurate, but 3 dogs in about 30mins, what does this have to do with Chinaman? I believe that a dog doesn't need much bite to tear up the belly, Manzy told me they did an autopsy on Miss Dirty Deeds after she died from the Chinarose, and he said her belly looked like she was shot with a shotgun in the belly, same thing I read about a dog that Eli Jr. beat, the idea that Chinaman, Chinarose, Sasha and Eli Jr had hard mouths, it doesn't take much mouth to tear up the belly and privates, I think way way down inside it implies hard biting curs, when I don't know if they are, well who knows with Sasha
Very good points. Some dogs bite hard when they want to or when they know it will do the most damage. Some dogs don't look like they're biting hard but they are and you see it afterwards like you mentioned. I always felt the dogs knew what they were doing and I learned to have faith in them knowing that.
Great video both dogs great however Ch.Chinamon is a Pistol Miss Spike breed dog or Carver dog . Boomerang is out Pistol Miss Spike also Art's Missy,Petonelll's Fox and Brown Ch.Nell.This line produce several strains of there own,Buster off of Art,s produced Rebel kennels Ch. Sundance sired GR.CH.Shady:Soulman&Son GR.CH.Sandy and Ch.Stephano from Wolfpack Kennels.Woods Snooty is also off of Art's Who is behind CH.Chinamon which is double Pistol Miss.Spike Snooty produce Hargroves SpankyR.O.M.and Bristol CH.ThorR.O.M.plus Gr.Ch.Spike to name a few in clossing BusterR.O.M. sired Larsen Red ED R.O.M.Mr.K Tex,R.O.M also grand sire of McCollum LYDA R.O.M.and Mountain Man's CH.Homer,R.O.M. i could keep going CH. L.A.Dream Teams Jessie James
I feel two of them was outstanding dogs I got both blood at this point and I don't think no one will never ever know if they would have go at it who would of win because in this dog game I seen the dog with mouth did everything in its power to stop the other who people had to lose and he took all that and came out on top I would say China man would of got to kill jeep to win and I personally feel with jeep he was the gamer one out the 2 chinaman had the harder mouth but jeep would outlast him if he could not kill him or break him down alot of people in there mind they think chinaman would jus wreck jeep I don't feel he would of it might had been one those classic match like Homer and Jeep alot of people don't give Finleys Bo the respect he deserves I personally feel it's Finleys Bo made jeep what he was not saying honey bunch wasn't a factor but if u look at who Finleys Bo bred other than honey bunch them dogs was awesome I personally give Finleys Bo the edge in making jeep a good producer as well as a game match dog honey bunch added to it but Bo is the one people should be talking about even higher than honey bunch
I would say it depends on why does he only have one? Was it genetics, like only one dropped? A lot of dogs will have the second one inside them and need it removed. Hope this helps.
My dog of El Negro x Cottinghams Bear fought fowl.He literally going to your underbelly or back stifle like he said.He had an kennel accident n lost a fang against my male grown Argentino Dogo at 7 months.He was black with white socks.We love the Chinaman dogs over here but I'm super interested in a Jeep dog and want one
One descrepancy some people said in Hommer vs jeep if the hhandler didnt encourage jeep ,he was ready to jump out of the box but you know you said never saw him roll who told did so i dont know he became a great producer people say stuff
I owned a son of Tab and he was a one time winner named HIEROGLYPHIC AND PECO'S SPOOK his pedigree is oneline he was a very good dog once he won he was used as a stud for us
I had him on my yard for a few months and he looked like a Jeep dog except he was black. Also the supposed breeding of Chinaman that people think produced Ninja was made in June of 1996 and Ninja was born in December of 1995. He can't be off of Chinaman.
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 I can’t argue with that. I had dogs off Werdo, Muta, and Margie that looked similar to one another build wise both buckskin and black. None built like or had heads like Ninja, but then Muta was off Ninja so go figure.
The Zwettlers are from Austria SB. They where a husband & wife team and pioneers in EU. They owned a direct daughter of Chinaman called "China" who was an excellent producer. They bread her many different ways, Bolio, Bullyson and Rascal blood. Zwettler blood is very good base. Strong, rough dogs with high ability. Usually black or black & white.
Thank you for the correction and information. I've heard nothing but good things about them.
Jeep guy myself, but have the deepest respect for Chinaman. Another great video sir.
I agree with you wholeheartedly
There were very credible people who say Jeep passed after Homer on the ride home so what we think is Jeep ain't!! was supposedly a son doubled off him that resembles him and similar bred etc was used...there were numerous articles about this early 80s ..or a close relative that resembles him ...Garret did interviews and Crenshaw also but who knows what happened after ......Crenshaw knew the truth and those in his camp also...so much money was about to be made if they can "keep him alive" for stud fees and most of the breeding to
him were family bred bitches ...
It's a pleasure to listen to history in such a calm way!!! It's even better when it's told realistically without raising some people and putting others down... Some of the stories bring back crazy memories😁!!! I wish you all the best and many more good stories👍👍👍
Thank you very much. You captured my intent perfectly. Respect to you 👏 💯
I love both,I cross the 2 and I am more than happy with the puppies. Very smart, intense dog's
I’m in love with all Eli strains !!!!
Probably the longest running bloodline today.
PHENOMENAL presentation and content.
Thank you, brother.
You're welcome. Much appreciated brother 🙏
The Jeep breedings
pre Homer 79 are the breedings ..
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Pete used to be lurking in the shadows of seemingly every single big event in the south when I first started attending. He was a character but he did a lot for the breed. Didn’t always agree with his tactics but I appreciate his work.
Thanks for your input
Excellent as always from the 🇬🇧
Thank you. Salute 👍 💪 🫡
@CatchDog718 Understood
Great video Mr Garcia. 💪💪💪
Thank you my friend
🏆🏆🏆🏆🤎✅ i love when you mentioned about talking and bad mouth n they can take way more than I can stand I tell you that, back then I rather be around dog's than be around people...
Yessir. That's the sentiment of alot of people. They like dogs more than people.
Ch. Boy was bellymate to Chinaman and I can say one of his attributes was just simply hanging one leg across his opponent and made the other dog hold his weight I seen photos of such actions that's a simple effective boxing technique 😅
Great history. Thanks for sharing 👍
a dog named Willie sired by Patrick's Homer ll and Homer ll threw very good dogs Willie was bred by Garland almost 30 years ago .. and was a bOlio Boomerang cross and I've never seen a dog that smart 🤓 and he could leave the jungle without a mark on him!!
@@prellyseverereason That blood was so fast and smart they hardly got touched.
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 Facts!!!
We wonder why Garner has no frozen semen from Chinaman but he has frozen semen from Spike and they died the same year
Frisco was the replacement
Good question
@@stephenleavy8971 but it doesn't make since
@@bossmangold3496 maybe CHINAMAN semen wasn't strong enough to be stored 🤷🏿♂️
Great stuff! Carl Crews told me that Jocko was a 53lb dog on the chain. I had many of his grandsons who had similar builds and they were all larger dogs with long legs and wind for days. Smart and athletic animals for sure. Had a son of Chinaboy who was probably the roughest dog I’ve ever put down.
Good information as usual brother.
Thank you brother
Another great one from the GOAT!
Much appreciated 👏
Thank u so much sir for everything..
You're welcome. I appreciate your support
Great video this is a disclaimer both dogs great however diehards black Rose was the best producer of Ch. Chinamon dog's, every litter produce at least two winner's
Thank you. Appreciate the info and history
Jeep had that Smiley look after the Homer marathon...I guess they razored his lips...They did a good job because it wasn't as bad as some of the pictures of other dogs that had it done...They trim them when they are always getting fanged up also, I heard....all historically speaking.
That's cause Jeep passed after Homer and a relative was used ..the preHomer breeding s are the real ones
Oh yeah SB my buddy just got a dog off that Nascar x Cannibal.Schoolboy Big Red is in his pedigree.I love it,its his first dog of this sort.Peace
Awesome
What would you say your favorite cross with Jeep was?
I like the Jeep/Red Boy but my best were Jeep/Red Boy/Rascal or Bullyson
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Thank you John. Respect to you
Mr Garcia do you think coopers wiener catch Jeep jumping the wall? Can a handler talk a dog back into it? I know you a jeep alguy
I honestly don't know and some dogs can be coaxed back in and I have seen dogs look like they were going to leave but didn't and they won. Even Mr Cooper said Jeep was a good dog and was better that day.
Richard, I think people misunderstand "bite" when it comes belly dogs, Chinarose would do a lot of damage but Tito said she didn't really bite that hard, she just knew where to bite, I was talking to a guy that was pitside during her 4th and he told me he didn't understand how she did what she did because she didn't bite that hard, when Cates' Sasha won her match, some say she was a 2x but I bought her as a 1x, in her win from what I was told she didn't get a hold until 15 or 16 mins and it was over by 18 or 19 mins, she was a belly dog like Chinaman and Chinarose, Sasha was hooked up for #2 but it fell through, at that show she was put up for sale and an interested buyer asked if he could take a look at her, she killed the first dog in 6 or 7 mins (a young dog), they put a 2nd dog on her (more experienced dog) and that one lasted about the same, so they put a 3rd dog on her (supposed to be an even better dog) and it quit in 7 mins, problem, Sasha sit on it after it quit, this is all 2nd hand info so I don't know if it true or even accurate, but 3 dogs in about 30mins, what does this have to do with Chinaman? I believe that a dog doesn't need much bite to tear up the belly, Manzy told me they did an autopsy on Miss Dirty Deeds after she died from the Chinarose, and he said her belly looked like she was shot with a shotgun in the belly, same thing I read about a dog that Eli Jr. beat, the idea that Chinaman, Chinarose, Sasha and Eli Jr had hard mouths, it doesn't take much mouth to tear up the belly and privates, I think way way down inside it implies hard biting curs, when I don't know if they are, well who knows with Sasha
Very good points. Some dogs bite hard when they want to or when they know it will do the most damage. Some dogs don't look like they're biting hard but they are and you see it afterwards like you mentioned. I always felt the dogs knew what they were doing and I learned to have faith in them knowing that.
There’s producers that make your battle crosses. Remember that youngsters lol
True
This is a Disclaimerare don't forget to do a story on hargroves champion gus..
Great video both dogs great however Ch.Chinamon is a Pistol Miss Spike breed dog or Carver dog . Boomerang is out Pistol Miss Spike also Art's Missy,Petonelll's Fox and Brown Ch.Nell.This line produce several strains of there own,Buster off of Art,s produced Rebel kennels Ch. Sundance sired GR.CH.Shady:Soulman&Son GR.CH.Sandy and Ch.Stephano from Wolfpack Kennels.Woods Snooty is also off of Art's Who is behind CH.Chinamon which is double Pistol Miss.Spike Snooty produce Hargroves SpankyR.O.M.and Bristol CH.ThorR.O.M.plus Gr.Ch.Spike to name a few in clossing BusterR.O.M. sired Larsen Red ED R.O.M.Mr.K Tex,R.O.M also grand sire of McCollum LYDA R.O.M.and Mountain Man's CH.Homer,R.O.M. i could keep going CH. L.A.Dream Teams Jessie James
Thank you. Agreed. Well said and you mentioned some very good dogs. I appreciate your input. Salute 👍 💪 🫡
Eli jr vs. Builyson! But honeybunch would be deciding factor
Good point
I feel two of them was outstanding dogs I got both blood at this point and I don't think no one will never ever know if they would have go at it who would of win because in this dog game I seen the dog with mouth did everything in its power to stop the other who people had to lose and he took all that and came out on top I would say China man would of got to kill jeep to win and I personally feel with jeep he was the gamer one out the 2 chinaman had the harder mouth but jeep would outlast him if he could not kill him or break him down alot of people in there mind they think chinaman would jus wreck jeep I don't feel he would of it might had been one those classic match like Homer and Jeep alot of people don't give Finleys Bo the respect he deserves I personally feel it's Finleys Bo made jeep what he was not saying honey bunch wasn't a factor but if u look at who Finleys Bo bred other than honey bunch them dogs was awesome I personally give Finleys Bo the edge in making jeep a good producer as well as a game match dog honey bunch added to it but Bo is the one people should be talking about even higher than honey bunch
@@jahsonblyden3994 Good observation and input.
Any stories on Clemmons and Elliot’s blood?
Sorry I'm not familiar with them
Nice Solid Vid.. 💯
Thanks 💯
Thank you
Yeah i remember talking to Randall about Boy. He thought he was the better brother. Lol Who knows 🤷.
Very cool. He coulda been but I think Chinaman was the better producer.
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 I would 100 % agree!
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Hi Mr Garcia,chinman,i have read was man-eater.right, that's make geep better.bloidline.
How bout a video on the mccays the going light stuff???
I'll put it on my list
I feel we lost something
@@intotheoutof3541 Unfortunately that has happened alot
Mr Garcia is he messing😂😂😂can u get me a video of this ad that dog😂😂😂
@@benharding8424 I'll work on it
Ch Boy
That's him. Thank you
Grand champion Charlie boy 😈
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Mr. Garcia I would appreciate your opinion on this debate/?. Lol Would you breed a great dog (breed worthy traits) if he only had one testicle? Thanks
No opinion? Or help! Lol
I would say it depends on why does he only have one? Was it genetics, like only one dropped? A lot of dogs will have the second one inside them and need it removed. Hope this helps.
@aringonsalves6679 In my case I wouldn't breed a dog with one testicle. It's a defect. He could or could not pass it on but it's a health isuue.
Frisco has 40 something points and semen still in garner possession according to his recent podcast
That's one of the benefits of frozen semen.
My dog of El Negro x Cottinghams Bear fought fowl.He literally going to your underbelly or back stifle like he said.He had an kennel accident n lost a fang against my male grown Argentino Dogo at 7 months.He was black with white socks.We love the Chinaman dogs over here but I'm super interested in a Jeep dog and want one
Sounds like Chinaman traits. The Jeep will go good with it.
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 ok kool
Jeep was game and proved it . Chinaman seemed to be a hard biting destroyer. Thus we will never know if he was game or not .
That's the contrast many people talk about. Good stuff.
Rastaman had jeep dogs to he breed gr ch miss rage to jeep
I think he's mentioned that before
I just can’t see a dog going 3:45 or 4 hrs idk
It's definitely a long time and some have gone longer than that.
I had one off a son of tab I owned that went 3:45 and lost they layed around in hold for over a hr and no handle could be gotten
@meritaboy It happens and you better be ready.
You got that right! Gamedogs for Life
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GR CH TOM CATS TANK 👍,,top video Mr.School Boy love your videos
One descrepancy some people said in Hommer vs jeep if the hhandler didnt encourage jeep ,he was ready to jump out of the box but you know you said never saw him roll who told did so i dont know he became a great producer people say stuff
Could be true or not but the fact is Jeep scratched every time he was called upon to do so.
I owned a son of Tab and he was a one time winner named HIEROGLYPHIC AND PECO'S SPOOK his pedigree is oneline he was a very good dog once he won he was used as a stud for us
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Incidentally, Brodt’s Ch.Ninja was sired by Ch.Chinaman.
I had him on my yard for a few months and he looked like a Jeep dog except he was black. Also the supposed breeding of Chinaman that people think produced Ninja was made in June of 1996 and Ninja was born in December of 1995. He can't be off of Chinaman.
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 I can’t argue with that. I had dogs off Werdo, Muta, and Margie that looked similar to one another build wise both buckskin and black. None built like or had heads like Ninja, but then Muta was off Ninja so go figure.
@@markballard1515 Valid points
@@richardgarciaschoolboy7746 people forget that brodts ninja had rascal blood in him. He just favored the rascal side of things.
@@popcornsutton6267 That's true. Dotty was half brother half sister off of Rascal
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